Wearing a Dress In Hollywood | "The Emasculation of Black Men in Hollywood"
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I’m trying to understand what Joe didn’t understand about what Mel was saying. Mel had a perfectly valid point. And he was trying to act like she was out of line for saying. I don’t know why he acts like that. Let her make her point.
She didn’t have a valid point low life Joe was talking about black men that are saying they want them to wear a dress to get big
i think so too, its one of those things to where. sure someone is wanting it done for specifically bad reasons and other are more like i think this would be cool.
I think he was being purposely being obtuse but the the dudes are just dumb
Tyler Perry wanted to wear that dress. Lol. He made his own so he can wear that dress.
Now he cant escape who he wanna be notice he play himself without madea still coming out
Still makes him a cross dresser
I hate when people ask a question but don't like the answer they get. Why even ask the question then?
The one time Mel actually is makin sense and valid points yall move the goal post
FACTZ!!!!!!
You mean like Joe does with everything that goes against his opinion?
She makes a lot of good points. You just mad because your piece is small, and you could NEVER bag a beauty like Mel.
@@darkskinssthey passed around 😂😂😂😂
@@darkskinss oh no u sure showed me!! I’m so upset I can’t pull a grandma lol
Mel was valid with her response she gave examples and they dismissed everything.
Expound?
Ice said she had a point....
@taurus8385 I dont believe having roles that require men to wear dresses is an attack against black men. Shit some of the other stories coming out about the acts of sexual request are more concerning to me.
@@MrJblazini there is nothing funny about a man wearing a dress…its emasculating and that was the whole basis of the conversation….its most definitely an attack on black men
Correct. Everything she said is how a logical person would process the proposition of "Black Men and The Dress". IF just as many white dudes are asked to wear it as black men are, then it doesn't seem like a "black man issue". ESPECIALLY when white comedians were wearing dresses for DECADES before black dudes were even allowed onstage or in movies. +I+ literally can't think of a single white comedic actor that I've NOT seen in a dress at some point +early in their careers+.
And it HAS been going on SO long that OBVIOUSLY a certain demographic (or, EVERYBODY?) +must+ just find it inherently funny -- without any degree of 'humiliation" involved.
"“Men dressing as women is a comedy staple, like a pie in the face.”" - Chris Rock
she has a great point but you have to disregard it to make whatever point joe wants to make. you can do that for everything,
Hollywood likes to put men in dresses. Tom Hanks, Robin Williams, Dustin Hoffman Ect.
Now, Tyler Perry WROTE, PRODUCED, Directed and Starred in his rolls. He did it his way.
(I don't like that crap)
But I think it is sick that Hollywood wants any man to dress as a woman.
Why?? Like Kat said...Martin put the dress on for Big Mamas House, and wanted to do it again! why? I do agree with ICE.
@@mr.e3247Not Kat williams
The problem is her Point had nothing to do with the conversation you can have a great point but if it's not a part of the conversation then your point is pointless
@@FluffyTalesTriviahow tf can a "great point"also be "pointlessness"? That's an oxymoron 😂
@@FluffyTalesTrivia She asked him about Drake!! what the hell are you talking about????
Mel was making a solid point and Joe and the rest of them wouldn’t even let her answer ride cuz they didn’t like it. Still surprised she stays on the show cuz her opinion is rarely respected.
mel was 100% right , and joe was acting childish.
mel needs to go shes afraud in real time everytime
Mel , was looking to defend the white perspective, and joe was not having it.
Mel is just diluting this whole conversation with outliers
She didn't make one solid point. Bringing up white men VOLUNTERILY wearing dresses doesn't address black men HAVING TO wear dresses to get ahead at all.
What Mel was saying about the dress convo is actually mad valid but they were tryna railroad her good points lol
I agree
Not true. The reason behind it is to show power over black men. It goes back to slavery when white men emasculating black man in front of everyone by raping him to show the white men’s dominance. Circumstances have changed but it’s the same thing. If the man actually wanted to be in that dress is different to be forced into the dress.
lol she said on camera that big tigger had his behind smashed and he was leaking spaghetti sauce from his behind because he had did something to move up the ranks and she also said you gotta make a deal with the devil to move up so her not saying anything about that is wild 🤔🤔
If you watch this hsow more than three times you would realize that they are a pact and its a male domination theme ... Plus its joe show which makes it worst
@@Biglos923AYOO FAM…. RELAX… 😅
When did she say all this
Mel is right on this one. There are plenty white male actors (mostly comics) that have put on a dress at some point….Adam Sandler, Robin Williams, Jim Carey. Most of the successful black comics put this dress on before they even hit the big screen like Jamie Foxx, so who wrote the Wanda skits? The Wayans family or white writers 🤔
All those actors are “black” white actors that you mentioned. Too close to the other side so they were offered the dress.
All those actors are “black” white actors that you mentioned. Too close to the other side so they were offered the dress.
All those actors are “black” white actors that you mentioned. Too close to the other side so they were offered the dress.
@@princessvybez6708 How do you feel about Eddie Murphy? With the amazing display of groundbreaking talent in the first Coming to America in being able to play multiple characters and they were not only hilarious but believable. You don’t think as much of a visionary talent he is, that he didn’t want to play characters like the mom & grandma in The Nutty Professor or Rasputia in Norbit? You think he was forced to do that by an agenda? I think Martin was inspired by Eddie, Richard and Flip Wilson who all played various characters.
@@isaiahbrown2212 thanks this a great point
Mel made a good point and Joe squashed it.
He TRIED to squash it, but she was right on point.
How was she right, she listed of some white men that wore dresses, what percentage of them is that like 5%? While with black men, now what percentage of top actors didn't 5%?
Or it's like negating the point that some women complain of doing unsavory things to get ahead because they willingly did it. They shouldn't have had to make the choice to sleep with some people to get roles
@@temi472 The point she was making is that the dress wearing is not SPECIFIC to Black men. If anything (even though she didn't say it like this), it's tied to comedic acting vs. racial biases. If Black comedy actors don't want to wear dresses, then don't take those roles.
@TruthDefined4life some men are forced to sleep with other men in Hollywood also, should we say and make a whole movement for men also and say it's equivalent because a couple of men went through?
You're completely ignoring the discrepancy in the fact that it SEEMS almost every black male actor gets the proposition and only few white male actors do.
Please respond to those 2 points so we can have a convenient
@@TruthDefined4lifebingo
Mel was making some great points!
Joe and the others crossed a line. Mel responded to a question, but they were dissatisfied with her reply and continued to drag the issue, unfairly portraying her as insensitive to the struggles of black actors. Their approach was disingenuous. Was she expected to confirm a conspiracy against black actors in Hollywood?.
You can't argue with stupid. They will break you. She did her best though
Even tho I'm rockin with the fellas on this I fully agree with you. You articulated that beautifully... I'm startin a podcast, you wanna be a guest???
She is but she not they she got stuff lined up but I understand what she saying but she did just go against the question a lil ik she knows about them parties they should have asked her about that 😂 cause ik she been n them parties
You sound very moist and wrong. She was giving the all lives matter approach and putting on the cape for her other half. That's why it's kinda hard having a podcast like this with a bunch of men especially men of their generation and just one woman because as soon as something like this happens y'all ready to jump down the black man's throat and these woman been assbackwards and dead wrong sometimes just as the men does too but did you or the others that capeing for her said she crossed the line on lying on Cam?? Yeah Idk think so
😂😂😂😂 we'll never know @@joshuaroach4045
Mel is the only one in the conversation with common sense.
Wtf were you watching?
Mel made solid arguments. I am impressed. The problem with this discussion is that Joe and the other guys were not prepared to actually have an informed argument. They just assumed the argument makes itself. I think it's safe to say that black men have to do more to get ahead...but Mel's points are still legit with this specific argument.
Whos not informed is mel Its not valid at all WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
what is do more.....??? let's have that discussion
I gave several examples within one of my responses, of black actors (some A and B list) who didn't have to wear a dress to become successful. People may feel some kinda way personally about men being in drag, but the argument isn't sound if you play it out logically.
@@kennethcunningham70 "Do more" just in general, black people have to do a lot more to get the machine behind them. A white actor can have a moment and will have a machine behind them to blow them up. It typically takes a black actor more than just a moment for the industry to justify them as a legit star.
@@kareydavis Here's the thing...because I'm not an actor or comedian, I don't want to dismiss it completely. But I do think that there's more of an argument to be made than what people would like to admit. I do think that overall, white men don't have an issue wearing dresses...and that's the "component" I think many black people never considered.
This entire dress narrative is a bandwagon issue. Nobody has an issue with it until Chappelle said something (he wore a dress). It really ain't that deep and people who pretend to be deep always play one side on this issue. Before Chappelle said something, we all rocked with Jamie Foxx, Martin, Eddie, Chapelle and the rest. The reason why men is dresses is so popular because it's the easiest laugh to get. It's no different than a fart joke or guy slipping on a banana peel. It's a cliche joke that may have been overplayed but that's all it is a joke. The only comics who complain are those who can't get the roles anyway. They use that as an excuse for the fact their career ain't where they want it to be. Instead of taking accountability, the make up these stories about turning down "initiations". If you upset about dresses, be upset about black men playing drug dealers, murderers, prostitutes or jesters. If not, stfu about it all.
Not true
@@niriboy8952 insightful. Thanks for the response smh
It's submission & humiliation tactics Goofy ...nothing more nothing less!!!! And these CLOWNS that do it have NO INTEGRITY & NO DIGNITY & are selling out for fame & fortune!!! GTFOH!!!
Gay
We as Black people are already a very homophobic race. We also are closed minded more than we'd like to admit. I think comparing White & Black male actors in dresses was TOTALLY necessary for this conversation and in my opinion, the panel wanted to exclude it because it really is valid. If white men didn't need to wear dresses, like most on the panel thought, they wouldn't be wearing them! I think because of our history, we are triggered. As we should be, if we feel that way; however, not everything is an attack or an agenda. Every situation is different, every actors story is different, you can't paint everything with one stroke and call it an issue. We are always victims in these conversations and were always pointing the finger. We can never really hold ourselves accountable and figure out if the problem just might be us.
They keep moving the goal post everytime she directly answers, when they don't agree.
Mel just killed their entire argument with the facts...
I usually don't agree with Mel but like other comments said, she made valid points that I've noticed in Hollywood too. Or at least she was trying to make a point. There's this demasculinization of men period! Sometimes we as black people don't always have to separate ourselves from the rest of society, sometimes all of us, as humans are facing the same issues. Sometimes!
Its not valid at all WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
Idk about that, I think hollywood just has bad writers
I just commented this! Is a war on men. All races, ages!
@@juscelinefernandes3674 dudes been wearing drag since the start of theater and stage plays. I dont like it, but its not an attack.
Its just bad writing most likely
@@GuessWhatHappened1 that can be true, but why take the more masculine men and make them wear women clothing? It’s an agenda
this is a goofy conversation, Mel is saying straight facts and these dudes are talking about the a damn dress 🤦🏾♂️
She wasn't speaking no facts
U dudes who think she speaking facts are fukn GOOFY
I think Joe was saying. “Black men are saying this about Hollywood and wearing a dress. The situations where they have worn it or been blackballed because they didn’t.” But Mel kept bringing up voluntary men that do it. The same way that a pod prior they said Taraji and black women are saying this in regards to pay in Hollywood. Would it be okay to tell her about the white female actors that voluntarily take pay cuts for roles in major films or do we address what Taraji/Monique said?
Good point. The issue here is how many Black actors are saying this - 10/100? And are they right that their career gets railroaded if they don't do it? Let's look at every successful comedy Black actor and see if they wore a dress to get ahead, or wore a dress before Hollywood in Black produced plays. Last point is that white powerful Hollywood male execs be trying to take advantage of everyone male or female on the casting couch, at parties, or in private. The dress is not their kink. I just think the white execs think the dress is funny because so many white people think it's funny.
The problem here… is that Mel is the ONLY person on here intelligent enough to comprehend and express an actual informed decision. Joe doesn’t even know how to disagree without invalidating or throwing a tantrum.
Take the L with grace fellas. Mel got the W on this one.
mel was eating joe up ..and yall know im a joe fanatic ....i hate how they try to shut her down and she be having valid points....his response to her tyler perry comment made no sense
Mel is really funnier and Smarter than what i had imagined when she broke down the differences in humor
u spelled full of sht wrong
She’s one of the first females to expose the industry in their demonic rituals that celebrities have to go through and that’s why she decided not to work as a list actress anymore
Joe seems like he likes to argue about anything or to admit he is wrong
Basically if you don’t agree with Joe…you’re wrong. Why do they even have a woman on the show if they’re not gonna accept HER opinion?? Weird.
Mel is a part of the problem
She’s mixed, you can’t have real conversations with someone who wants to maintain relationships on both sides
Mels point gets lost because its a conversation about how black men are feeling not how how men are feeling. Black men for years are 1 of 3 things in movies the thug , the oreo , or the clown in a dress. When the dress matters to the role it makes sense like Ms.Doubtfire ( dad trying to spend time with his kids and has ti pretend to be an old nanny to do so) but Big Mamas house 2 did not need to have them in a dress again...there isnt a white chicks 2 for a reason
No white chicks 2 because the first one flopped
@@Peopleofthesun386 The first one did 113 million lol
Thank you idk what everyone is talking about
Exactly! How is this point lost on people???
Release the dr Umar episodes
This funny as hell, they was tryna invalidate her so bad🤦🏾♀️
Glad u found it funny....it was very annoying and painful to watch. Wtf have Mel there IF her OPINIONS AND VIEWS ALWAYS gonna get SHOT DOWN😳🤦🏾♂️🙄
She's hitting them with the old hard facts and they saying 'those actors were white or they don't need to'
You crazy if you think a black man putting on a dress isn’t buttbreaking. Thats equivalent to a black women wearing jock straps and condoms. You’re out of proper polarity.
@@tremaine861all her points were pointless lol WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
Why does every women needs to be validated?
Well said Mel..... The problem with us is we are ignorant to subjects that we think we're such scholars on..... Just give shorty her point.... She is on point.....!!!
What was her point now?
So how do we explain them trying to make Dave wear a dress until he stood on not wearing it and they came a couple minutes later with a different script 🤷🏾♂️ there is something to it
@@xmandaboss1lol but he has a clip wearing a dress
Mel made some good points but you also can't disregard what Dave Chappelle said on Oprah years ago about this topic. And also remember when young Joc had that dress on on the sidewalk and when he was questioned about it, he said something to the likes of that he had to do what he had to do
Of course you can just because Chappelle said it it does not mean its true
Dave was in a dress too
@@Peopleofthesun386 Eddie Griffin and Katt Williams also confirmed the conspiracy
@@gzo737 they gave an opinion they confirmed nothing.again how is it about race if white people do it as well
Yes it is ploy to emasculate Black men. Mel is mixed race and Canadian and doesn't FULLY understand our struggle as Black folks in the U.S. she and her relatives haven't lived it.
🤦🏽♂️ U definitely took the short bus
Mel is talking like someone in Corp America not believing there are glass ceilings for minorities un Corp America. Playing it safe
that "holy s***" from joe represented every man ever created
My issue with this argument is I think there are definitely cases that involve putting us in dresses for oppressive reasons. But not every case is like that. There are some that the actor just want to play the role and thought they can do it the funniest. The Wayans bro, Martin, Eddie Murphy. 3 examples (out of many) where I think they were just being creative and funny.
What case is that? I think the whole argument falls flat since white actors do it aswell
@@Peopleofthesun386 you can’t use sense
What case is that, every black actor that did a movie was very very well establish. Martin, eddy, tyler this where multi multi millionares before putting on a dress.
There are a ton of white actors that wore dresses. I think the issue is how much importance the black community puts on an actor being approached about wearing a dress. If they say yes or no is probably the most uninteresting thing I’ve ever had to listen to. Who gives af if they wear a dress or not or if they’re mad that someone asked them to? If they’re offended by it why give those people (supposedly) more power by getting mad at it. Why dignify it with more attention? It’s dumb af
@@leeclarke6097 stop lyin Martin wasnt a multi millionaire yet when he did it on his show & Tyler Perry literally got famous off Madea
Black Men have complained about this issue for YEARS…to plead ignorance and say “educate me” is a dismissive cop out
Joe wore the dress so he should know. 😂 purse too!
Yeah y’all did her dirty and acted like she was speaking Spanish because she posed questions for furthering the convo and understanding…. That’s foul
"why Denzel have to go crooked before he took it" 💯
No one "made" Denzel take that role. Denzel.. "took the role of Alonzo Harris in the 2001 crime thriller film Training Day because he wanted to emulate the style of Rafael Pérez, a real-life corrupt LAPD narcotics officer. Washington said that his portrayal of Harris is authentic and based on the style of Pérez"
The award was because he was good in it.
@@kareydavis he wuz better in John Q & Malcolm u wrote all dat to make no sense .. tha whole point is why give tha Oscar ONLY when he played tha corrupt cop & not his role about about a black father who wuz willing to do anythang for his sons transplant
I am tired of our culture making issues that don’t exist. Anyone that wore a dress wore it VOLUNTARILY. Just because you choose to give up your dignity for fame and money that’s on YOU!
But it influences our children
@@elr8732that’s where parents are supposed to come in and do the job of “parenting”…
So why are there so many black actors coming out saying they were once forced to wear a dress?
Wearing a dress is the least of our concerns when it comes to kids. Our entire culture influences our kids in a more negative way.@@elr8732
We’re talking about the actors that were coerced but didn’t wear the dress as well so your comment doesn’t adress the whole issue
Great episode topic
I hope they read these comments lol. Mel has a great point. The guys are be willfully ignorant about her talking points.
Wow! They completely railroaded the valid point Melyssa Ford was making…
Completely
I will never understand how people accept that there is sexual assault cases at Starbucks, Ross, Popeyes, like you know places that people work, except for fuckin’ Hollywood. It’s beyond me.
“Is there anything that you will say no to?” Heard this question posed so many times but never felt the gravity of it until listening to this very serious conversation.
🎶THEY GOT ME FEEL'N LIKE BLACK MEN ARE WOMEN🎶
OH, WRONG CHANNEL YO! MY BAD YO!
Lmfao I be feeling the same way too ChatKing 😅
"What's the problem? I'd wear a dress." - Melyssa
For once Mel actually was given fair points so I don’t see her being PC. It looks like you’re mad just because she don’t fully agree with y’all.
I’m with Mel on this… the other guys are just always thinking it’s an anti-black agenda. Not everything is a conspiracy and meant to hold black people down.
How are you asking her an opinion and then shutting her down. This is insane
I love how well Mel articulated her points
Hollywood here😂 we will have your men all looking like ru Paul soon 😂😂
She's done some things personally...
The black men that wire dresses haven't complained...katt complained...youre good Mel
Argumentation is an ART. You MUST listen. They’re not listening to Mel.
Acknowledge how these blk male actors are feeling!💜💜
Yes, Mel had valid points but we’re not going to sit here and act like this isn’t the same Mel Ford that said in an interview, “some people will do anything for fame, like signing your name in blood…” so why was it so difficult to stick to the point of this being one of the things black men are saying they’re being presented with in order to reach the top. THAT is the Mel I wish was present during this conversation. Not to take away from the points she made but let’s stop dancing around it like she isn’t privy to the ways of the industry.
It’s always that one person causing more confusion. Mel is acting oblivious. @9:00 is wild
All the people saying Mel was speaking facts is some damn simps lol. She kept going out of the specific topic on black men in dresses. Her answers were like a politician, just dancing around it. No clear answer but her saying "BuT tHE whItE mEn". If she looked up 'buck Breaking'. Then maybe her answers will stick to the topic
That conversation was way above her pay grade, she never understood anything.
She does have a point
Flip Wilson,Eddie Murphy and Martin did it because they wanted to. Yes a Black actress could've played Sha Nay Nay. But it was HILARIOUS watching Martin play her. Same with Eddie in the Nutty Professor. I would NEVER say there aren't SOME White executives who do that. But alot do it strictly for the comedy aspect. And the narrative changed like 10-15 years ago because u didn't hear this when Martin was on every week.
no it came out when Dave Chappelle appeared on Oprah & told his story Martin is a gatekeeper of course he has no problem puttin a dress on
@@XxThePhantomFreezexX Exactly. Brandon T Jackson explained it himself about the dress lol
Mel is answering every question in the most PC way!! They are solely sayin black male actors & she consistently brings up white male actors as a counterpoint.
Is it not the same? If both are doing it, then why separate them. You can't say blacks are going through this and not compare it. Cause then there would be no black/white convo. Just males wearing dresses.
Because it’s not a thing.. the black community makes it a thing.
@@voiceofalabama because the question itself was direct, they specifically asked her feelings about black male actors feeling/or sayin they’re trying to be forced to wear dresses, she in turned responded with a defective response by saying “white male actors do it” that was neither here nor there in relevance to the question that was asked
@@voiceofalabamathats your problem u so concerned about wth the whyte man doing like everything they do is law have some dam self respect clown
@@ryanforbes1114Lol debunking a question's premises is very relevant. I guarantee if I asked you why do blck men do (enter negative thing) your immediate response would be why are you singling out blck men if I can give you countless examples of white men doing it too.
Either way. It’s absolutely a humiliation ritual
Mel should quit
She's right. No one that has put on a dress has said that. Just like no white actors that has done that has said that. Now if these black comedians are brave enough to say I was told to play a role that required me to wear a dress, I declined then got no role of significance after then people would fully believe it is factual.
Actors have said that tho ....
@@quaquq96 If they have I haven't heard it. Not saying you aren't truthful , just i personally haven't heard that from anyone.
I'm glad that everyone who I expected is on the same page, w/ the OBVIOUS, bc people love to play like they don't see it or even try to defend it!! I already KNEW that she wouldn't, and its not bc she's a woman!! Those men that she named, were not straight anyway!
You couldn’t pay me to sit in this room. These men can’t think past “men vs women”
Yall can't tell me Shanay Nay and Wanda wasn't funny as hell
If they wanted to relay the point to Mel in a way that she could truly understand, would be to ask her to think about how and why she got certain gigs as a video model and what was expected in terms of the girls that made it to the top vs the ones that got black balled... but we have already heard that Mel will do something strange for some change...
foh
😂
Facts!
Wearing a dress as a black male actor is a sucka move shout out Chappelle, Samuel L Jackson, Denzel for upholding values and morals as hlack men
My brother in humanity Dave Chappelle also wore a dress lmao, ya'll gotta stop portraying him as this above all savior.
Dave wore the dress and also starred in Robin Hood "Men in Tights"
@@ptyten9718 on the Howard Stern parody? I never said he never did .. they tried in blue streak and he said naw understanding that only way up is thru the dress for most black men and he choose to have some morals
Martin created the shenehneh character and eddy Murphy created the clump characters so that's not force
This beautiful lady smashed it. Everything she said was spot on
She’s absolutely correct in what she said( it seems like Joe was taken this matter personal and was blinded by het true facts. An it made him look dumb and the rest of the weaklings just went along with Joe.
I was done listening when Tom Hanks entire the convo AND MEL Allegedly sleep with Ice T in a restroom for 3k 😂😂😂😂 PC’d
Flip in a dress is Wild 🙈👗 😂🤣
For the 🦝s saying "Mel had a point":
"Perhaps one of slave owners’ more innovatively cruel strategies concerned the ways they sought to completely emasculate enslaved boys and men-by denying them the right to wear pants. By forcing young African American boys and men to wear dress-like shirts, the owners of flesh attempted to feminize and humiliate enslaved males on a daily basis. According to scores of interviews with the formerly enslaved, denying black boys and young men the right to wear pants was a relatively widespread practice throughout the Deep South."
-Stanley M. Elkins
Mannnn at the end of the day it’s true black men putting on a dress to get ahead in Hollywood is a real thing, and not only jus putting on a dress but to get thru some of those doors u gone have to do some things 🤷🏾♂️
Mel actually being the intelligent one in this conversation is wild.
Glad she stood firm.
🧢🧢she tryna downplay it….
Hard disagree. Her best point was about the differences in humor which is precisely the point. Why do bigots make racist jokes? Because they think it’s funny but the ppl the joke is about don’t feel the same way because they’re the butt of the joke. Same thing with the dress
Black and white men wear this dress.
Not saying the dress is good idea because I don’t like the dress comedy any ways but what I am saying is it’s an overall power dynamic in the movie industry and anybody can experience it
@@rickrodriguez5514 thats not the point of the conversation …its Hollywoods way of humiliating and emasculating BLACK MEN…
@@taurus8385 so what does it mean when it happens to a white actor?
Nothing because he’s white? lol
😂when someone is looking a specific response and they are not getting it, it's hilarious
They stay talking over Mel…. What’s crazy is she don’t even know how many people are waiting for her OWN show!!! 💯🤷🏽♀️
Can't alie mel was 100% right on her points and give great examples
Mel got all of her a-ph-bet male friends on here to agree, I see!! I completely agree w/ you guys and she knows exactly what y'all mean!!
How come conversations like this don’t happen in the Community in regards to actors playing hood roles though?
Generally I don’t care what roles they play. People get weird about male actors playing women but what about when we play murderers/killers?
Jamie Foxx created Wanda , martin sha'naynay martin in big momma,Eddie Murphy in norbit. They all created the character.. it's only like 10 movies/tv shows with black men in dresses and they had to accept the role that was already written
Just say “no!”
Nah joe mel brought up tyler cause he chose the dress on his own
The statement and/or question should have been reiterated for Mel. She wasn’t wrong and gave great perspective, the men didn’t have enough patients and came off man-splaining to a smart woman.
I love Mel last point where she broke down the different types of humor black folks have vs white folks.
Mel definitely had a point
Melissa's correct
She’s not a black man though 🥴
She sounds like Lil Wayne when he said he doesn't know what racism is 🤦♂️ 6:18
Why ask Mel the question if her opinion on the topic is wrong to you?? If Joe knows something, he should have just exposed it... Katt Williams did...
the fact white men do as well blows holes all through this theory tho
Lolol it's so true
It means nothing. If one group of men say it's okay and they get work. Then another group of men say no we are not with it and they don't get work.
@@MrJduke40You act like this is a modern day problem. I know nothing about what happens behind the scenes there, you don't either, but with all the problems black men have getting lead roles today you people focus on this? I can't think of one actor in the past 10 years this even applies to.
@@joebrown6778 black men are coming out every few months talking about some dude grabbing their Johnson asking them to partake in their activities... Chappelle was the last mega star asked to put on a dress that said no. Kevin Heart rolled over and put on the dress.
The more society goes left the more people will be okay with it and just go along. You just heard Queens Flip say he was asked.
The dress convo is super reaching. The black male actors that wore dresses is because they wanted too there is no boogeyman executive saying wear this or be broke forever. (Im a black male btw lol) Wearing a dress is a preference, like if I was an actor I personally would not be willing to wear a dress but thats me
Dave Chappell literally said execs tried to make him wear a dress, is he a liar
U are blond
U are blind
U are blind
Y'all tried to bully her to say what y'all wanted her to say.
Why is Mel even there lol
Why are y'all tryna make it sound like Mel tripping??? It ain't just black men, its men in general. And thats the point she was making. And as far as the dress, I always thought of it as just comedy. Nothing more, nothing less
The Blk men in Hollywood saying it, and you- a person on the Internet- is disregarding it. OK.
@@YawdanFar as I can tell, Katt is the one that said it. Further, seems like there are bigger fish to fry than 'black men being forced to wear dresses' in Hollywood in the year 2024. How about we deal with vastly more current issues, like black men getting more opportunities from the jump, than worrying about what they wear when they get there.
@@joebrown6778no Dave Chappelle said and other black actors said it too
@@joebrown6778... If that was the first time you heard about it, then you really need to sit back and listen rather than try and engage when you haven't got the insight to discuss the topic.
The fact that this issue is actually one of the factors affecting the subsequent question you proposed says it all.
@@JePe-on4ff So we're bringing up Blue Streak in 2024? We're gonna storm Hollywood offices over Dave declining to wear a dress in Blue Streak?
Mel had the deflecting track shoes on the whole time. She deflected and ran from that one almost as good as CTG.
I feel like parks was speakin thru Mel lol
I could’ve done without Mel in this conversation
Martin the show was created and produced and written by black men, Martin and Topper Carew. I don't doubt Big Mommas House may fall into this but I dont think Mama Payne or Sheneneh was something that Fox pitched to Martin to add to the show, I think they came up with those 2 characters the exact way Martin said, from women in his childhood and his sisters. I feel Martin didn't originally fall into this box with the tv show, he had ideas for these characters when he was on Def Comedy Jam, he was making the voices even before that for Mama Payne & Shenehneh
Lol. you seem lost and confused and ill informed. The the gangsta rap songs were written produced and performed by black people but I bet you didnt know that the JEWS were the ones who came up with the concept of gangsta rap or they would not fund the project.
You gotta be more educated than that ... dont be blind to the things that are right in your face!!! they arent even hiding it.
So what's my point, the people who fund your vision and or distribute it make the rules !!!
Most people are not smart enough to realize that the weird people uses the media to control your thoughts , and actions and yes, movies are a part of the media . The gays are smart enough to realize that there is no better way to get their message across than using entertainment to subconsciously enhance their agenda and recruit more people to their way of life.
In 30 years, most religions, sect, countries etc on the planet will openly accept gay as the norm and it all started from a silly sketchy in a sitcom or movie that led to an entire movies about it that led to it being in cartoons, that led to it being thought in schools at kindergarten.
You may not realize this but the best way to control people and their actions is to control the information they get. Black people are envisioned as criminals regardless of where you go on the planet and that is due to the JEWS only giving roles to black people that revolved around playing a criminal , being lazy, doing drugs, drinking all day and living like rats...
Jamie Fox played a woman on the Jamie Fox show (which is his own), the wayens brothers did it. Def comedy jam was filled with comedians acting like women in their set.
This has nothing to do with selling your soul or whatever our people always bring up. It’s just that the women in our community find that shit hilarious. I thought sheneheh and mama Payne was kind of weird. But my mother and aunts and their female friends were alwas dying laughing. That's why those comedians ran with it.
That's an interesting point because I myself also found those characters like sheneheh funny, but it never occured that a guy watching those characters like sheneheh and wanda might not.