I’m trying to understand what Joe didn’t understand about what Mel was saying. Mel had a perfectly valid point. And he was trying to act like she was out of line for saying. I don’t know why he acts like that. Let her make her point.
i think so too, its one of those things to where. sure someone is wanting it done for specifically bad reasons and other are more like i think this would be cool.
@taurus8385 I dont believe having roles that require men to wear dresses is an attack against black men. Shit some of the other stories coming out about the acts of sexual request are more concerning to me.
@@MrJblazini there is nothing funny about a man wearing a dress…its emasculating and that was the whole basis of the conversation….its most definitely an attack on black men
Correct. Everything she said is how a logical person would process the proposition of "Black Men and The Dress". IF just as many white dudes are asked to wear it as black men are, then it doesn't seem like a "black man issue". ESPECIALLY when white comedians were wearing dresses for DECADES before black dudes were even allowed onstage or in movies. +I+ literally can't think of a single white comedic actor that I've NOT seen in a dress at some point +early in their careers+. And it HAS been going on SO long that OBVIOUSLY a certain demographic (or, EVERYBODY?) +must+ just find it inherently funny -- without any degree of 'humiliation" involved. "“Men dressing as women is a comedy staple, like a pie in the face.”" - Chris Rock
Not true. The reason behind it is to show power over black men. It goes back to slavery when white men emasculating black man in front of everyone by raping him to show the white men’s dominance. Circumstances have changed but it’s the same thing. If the man actually wanted to be in that dress is different to be forced into the dress.
If you watch this hsow more than three times you would realize that they are a pact and its a male domination theme ... Plus its joe show which makes it worst
Mel was making a solid point and Joe and the rest of them wouldn’t even let her answer ride cuz they didn’t like it. Still surprised she stays on the show cuz her opinion is rarely respected.
She didn't make one solid point. Bringing up white men VOLUNTERILY wearing dresses doesn't address black men HAVING TO wear dresses to get ahead at all.
Mel made solid arguments. I am impressed. The problem with this discussion is that Joe and the other guys were not prepared to actually have an informed argument. They just assumed the argument makes itself. I think it's safe to say that black men have to do more to get ahead...but Mel's points are still legit with this specific argument.
Whos not informed is mel Its not valid at all WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
I gave several examples within one of my responses, of black actors (some A and B list) who didn't have to wear a dress to become successful. People may feel some kinda way personally about men being in drag, but the argument isn't sound if you play it out logically.
@@kennethcunningham70 "Do more" just in general, black people have to do a lot more to get the machine behind them. A white actor can have a moment and will have a machine behind them to blow them up. It typically takes a black actor more than just a moment for the industry to justify them as a legit star.
@@kareydavis Here's the thing...because I'm not an actor or comedian, I don't want to dismiss it completely. But I do think that there's more of an argument to be made than what people would like to admit. I do think that overall, white men don't have an issue wearing dresses...and that's the "component" I think many black people never considered.
Joe and the others crossed a line. Mel responded to a question, but they were dissatisfied with her reply and continued to drag the issue, unfairly portraying her as insensitive to the struggles of black actors. Their approach was disingenuous. Was she expected to confirm a conspiracy against black actors in Hollywood?.
She is but she not they she got stuff lined up but I understand what she saying but she did just go against the question a lil ik she knows about them parties they should have asked her about that 😂 cause ik she been n them parties
You sound very moist and wrong. She was giving the all lives matter approach and putting on the cape for her other half. That's why it's kinda hard having a podcast like this with a bunch of men especially men of their generation and just one woman because as soon as something like this happens y'all ready to jump down the black man's throat and these woman been assbackwards and dead wrong sometimes just as the men does too but did you or the others that capeing for her said she crossed the line on lying on Cam?? Yeah Idk think so
Hollywood likes to put men in dresses. Tom Hanks, Robin Williams, Dustin Hoffman Ect. Now, Tyler Perry WROTE, PRODUCED, Directed and Starred in his rolls. He did it his way. (I don't like that crap) But I think it is sick that Hollywood wants any man to dress as a woman. Why?? Like Kat said...Martin put the dress on for Big Mamas House, and wanted to do it again! why? I do agree with ICE.
The problem is her Point had nothing to do with the conversation you can have a great point but if it's not a part of the conversation then your point is pointless
The problem here… is that Mel is the ONLY person on here intelligent enough to comprehend and express an actual informed decision. Joe doesn’t even know how to disagree without invalidating or throwing a tantrum.
Mel is right on this one. There are plenty white male actors (mostly comics) that have put on a dress at some point….Adam Sandler, Robin Williams, Jim Carey. Most of the successful black comics put this dress on before they even hit the big screen like Jamie Foxx, so who wrote the Wanda skits? The Wayans family or white writers 🤔
@@princessvybez6708 How do you feel about Eddie Murphy? With the amazing display of groundbreaking talent in the first Coming to America in being able to play multiple characters and they were not only hilarious but believable. You don’t think as much of a visionary talent he is, that he didn’t want to play characters like the mom & grandma in The Nutty Professor or Rasputia in Norbit? You think he was forced to do that by an agenda? I think Martin was inspired by Eddie, Richard and Flip Wilson who all played various characters.
I usually don't agree with Mel but like other comments said, she made valid points that I've noticed in Hollywood too. Or at least she was trying to make a point. There's this demasculinization of men period! Sometimes we as black people don't always have to separate ourselves from the rest of society, sometimes all of us, as humans are facing the same issues. Sometimes!
Its not valid at all WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
@@juscelinefernandes3674 dudes been wearing drag since the start of theater and stage plays. I dont like it, but its not an attack. Its just bad writing most likely
Well said Mel..... The problem with us is we are ignorant to subjects that we think we're such scholars on..... Just give shorty her point.... She is on point.....!!!
So how do we explain them trying to make Dave wear a dress until he stood on not wearing it and they came a couple minutes later with a different script 🤷🏾♂️ there is something to it
How was she right, she listed of some white men that wore dresses, what percentage of them is that like 5%? While with black men, now what percentage of top actors didn't 5%? Or it's like negating the point that some women complain of doing unsavory things to get ahead because they willingly did it. They shouldn't have had to make the choice to sleep with some people to get roles
@@temi472 The point she was making is that the dress wearing is not SPECIFIC to Black men. If anything (even though she didn't say it like this), it's tied to comedic acting vs. racial biases. If Black comedy actors don't want to wear dresses, then don't take those roles.
@TruthDefined4life some men are forced to sleep with other men in Hollywood also, should we say and make a whole movement for men also and say it's equivalent because a couple of men went through? You're completely ignoring the discrepancy in the fact that it SEEMS almost every black male actor gets the proposition and only few white male actors do. Please respond to those 2 points so we can have a convenient
She’s one of the first females to expose the industry in their demonic rituals that celebrities have to go through and that’s why she decided not to work as a list actress anymore
I think Joe was saying. “Black men are saying this about Hollywood and wearing a dress. The situations where they have worn it or been blackballed because they didn’t.” But Mel kept bringing up voluntary men that do it. The same way that a pod prior they said Taraji and black women are saying this in regards to pay in Hollywood. Would it be okay to tell her about the white female actors that voluntarily take pay cuts for roles in major films or do we address what Taraji/Monique said?
Good point. The issue here is how many Black actors are saying this - 10/100? And are they right that their career gets railroaded if they don't do it? Let's look at every successful comedy Black actor and see if they wore a dress to get ahead, or wore a dress before Hollywood in Black produced plays. Last point is that white powerful Hollywood male execs be trying to take advantage of everyone male or female on the casting couch, at parties, or in private. The dress is not their kink. I just think the white execs think the dress is funny because so many white people think it's funny.
This entire dress narrative is a bandwagon issue. Nobody has an issue with it until Chappelle said something (he wore a dress). It really ain't that deep and people who pretend to be deep always play one side on this issue. Before Chappelle said something, we all rocked with Jamie Foxx, Martin, Eddie, Chapelle and the rest. The reason why men is dresses is so popular because it's the easiest laugh to get. It's no different than a fart joke or guy slipping on a banana peel. It's a cliche joke that may have been overplayed but that's all it is a joke. The only comics who complain are those who can't get the roles anyway. They use that as an excuse for the fact their career ain't where they want it to be. Instead of taking accountability, the make up these stories about turning down "initiations". If you upset about dresses, be upset about black men playing drug dealers, murderers, prostitutes or jesters. If not, stfu about it all.
It's submission & humiliation tactics Goofy ...nothing more nothing less!!!! And these CLOWNS that do it have NO INTEGRITY & NO DIGNITY & are selling out for fame & fortune!!! GTFOH!!!
My issue with this argument is I think there are definitely cases that involve putting us in dresses for oppressive reasons. But not every case is like that. There are some that the actor just want to play the role and thought they can do it the funniest. The Wayans bro, Martin, Eddie Murphy. 3 examples (out of many) where I think they were just being creative and funny.
What case is that, every black actor that did a movie was very very well establish. Martin, eddy, tyler this where multi multi millionares before putting on a dress.
There are a ton of white actors that wore dresses. I think the issue is how much importance the black community puts on an actor being approached about wearing a dress. If they say yes or no is probably the most uninteresting thing I’ve ever had to listen to. Who gives af if they wear a dress or not or if they’re mad that someone asked them to? If they’re offended by it why give those people (supposedly) more power by getting mad at it. Why dignify it with more attention? It’s dumb af
mel was eating joe up ..and yall know im a joe fanatic ....i hate how they try to shut her down and she be having valid points....his response to her tyler perry comment made no sense
We as Black people are already a very homophobic race. We also are closed minded more than we'd like to admit. I think comparing White & Black male actors in dresses was TOTALLY necessary for this conversation and in my opinion, the panel wanted to exclude it because it really is valid. If white men didn't need to wear dresses, like most on the panel thought, they wouldn't be wearing them! I think because of our history, we are triggered. As we should be, if we feel that way; however, not everything is an attack or an agenda. Every situation is different, every actors story is different, you can't paint everything with one stroke and call it an issue. We are always victims in these conversations and were always pointing the finger. We can never really hold ourselves accountable and figure out if the problem just might be us.
Mel made some good points but you also can't disregard what Dave Chappelle said on Oprah years ago about this topic. And also remember when young Joc had that dress on on the sidewalk and when he was questioned about it, he said something to the likes of that he had to do what he had to do
“Is there anything that you will say no to?” Heard this question posed so many times but never felt the gravity of it until listening to this very serious conversation.
Mels point gets lost because its a conversation about how black men are feeling not how how men are feeling. Black men for years are 1 of 3 things in movies the thug , the oreo , or the clown in a dress. When the dress matters to the role it makes sense like Ms.Doubtfire ( dad trying to spend time with his kids and has ti pretend to be an old nanny to do so) but Big Mamas house 2 did not need to have them in a dress again...there isnt a white chicks 2 for a reason
You crazy if you think a black man putting on a dress isn’t buttbreaking. Thats equivalent to a black women wearing jock straps and condoms. You’re out of proper polarity.
@@tremaine861all her points were pointless lol WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
Flip Wilson,Eddie Murphy and Martin did it because they wanted to. Yes a Black actress could've played Sha Nay Nay. But it was HILARIOUS watching Martin play her. Same with Eddie in the Nutty Professor. I would NEVER say there aren't SOME White executives who do that. But alot do it strictly for the comedy aspect. And the narrative changed like 10-15 years ago because u didn't hear this when Martin was on every week.
Hard disagree. Her best point was about the differences in humor which is precisely the point. Why do bigots make racist jokes? Because they think it’s funny but the ppl the joke is about don’t feel the same way because they’re the butt of the joke. Same thing with the dress
Black and white men wear this dress. Not saying the dress is good idea because I don’t like the dress comedy any ways but what I am saying is it’s an overall power dynamic in the movie industry and anybody can experience it
I am tired of our culture making issues that don’t exist. Anyone that wore a dress wore it VOLUNTARILY. Just because you choose to give up your dignity for fame and money that’s on YOU!
For the 🦝s saying "Mel had a point": "Perhaps one of slave owners’ more innovatively cruel strategies concerned the ways they sought to completely emasculate enslaved boys and men-by denying them the right to wear pants. By forcing young African American boys and men to wear dress-like shirts, the owners of flesh attempted to feminize and humiliate enslaved males on a daily basis. According to scores of interviews with the formerly enslaved, denying black boys and young men the right to wear pants was a relatively widespread practice throughout the Deep South." -Stanley M. Elkins
@@ptyten9718 on the Howard Stern parody? I never said he never did .. they tried in blue streak and he said naw understanding that only way up is thru the dress for most black men and he choose to have some morals
Why are y'all tryna make it sound like Mel tripping??? It ain't just black men, its men in general. And thats the point she was making. And as far as the dress, I always thought of it as just comedy. Nothing more, nothing less
@@YawdanFar as I can tell, Katt is the one that said it. Further, seems like there are bigger fish to fry than 'black men being forced to wear dresses' in Hollywood in the year 2024. How about we deal with vastly more current issues, like black men getting more opportunities from the jump, than worrying about what they wear when they get there.
@@joebrown6778... If that was the first time you heard about it, then you really need to sit back and listen rather than try and engage when you haven't got the insight to discuss the topic. The fact that this issue is actually one of the factors affecting the subsequent question you proposed says it all.
Jamie Foxx created Wanda , martin sha'naynay martin in big momma,Eddie Murphy in norbit. They all created the character.. it's only like 10 movies/tv shows with black men in dresses and they had to accept the role that was already written
If they wanted to relay the point to Mel in a way that she could truly understand, would be to ask her to think about how and why she got certain gigs as a video model and what was expected in terms of the girls that made it to the top vs the ones that got black balled... but we have already heard that Mel will do something strange for some change...
@@MrJduke40You act like this is a modern day problem. I know nothing about what happens behind the scenes there, you don't either, but with all the problems black men have getting lead roles today you people focus on this? I can't think of one actor in the past 10 years this even applies to.
@@joebrown6778 black men are coming out every few months talking about some dude grabbing their Johnson asking them to partake in their activities... Chappelle was the last mega star asked to put on a dress that said no. Kevin Heart rolled over and put on the dress. The more society goes left the more people will be okay with it and just go along. You just heard Queens Flip say he was asked.
Mel is answering every question in the most PC way!! They are solely sayin black male actors & she consistently brings up white male actors as a counterpoint.
Is it not the same? If both are doing it, then why separate them. You can't say blacks are going through this and not compare it. Cause then there would be no black/white convo. Just males wearing dresses.
@@voiceofalabama because the question itself was direct, they specifically asked her feelings about black male actors feeling/or sayin they’re trying to be forced to wear dresses, she in turned responded with a defective response by saying “white male actors do it” that was neither here nor there in relevance to the question that was asked
@@ryanforbes1114Lol debunking a question's premises is very relevant. I guarantee if I asked you why do blck men do (enter negative thing) your immediate response would be why are you singling out blck men if I can give you countless examples of white men doing it too.
Yes it is ploy to emasculate Black men. Mel is mixed race and Canadian and doesn't FULLY understand our struggle as Black folks in the U.S. she and her relatives haven't lived it.
I agree with many of the comments here. Mel really had valid points and the men just didn't want to hear it. Yes, black men are pressured to wear a dress, but it's not a "black man problem". I see it more of a Hollywood problem, where, for some reason, the executives feel that they should have power over the actors and force them to do things they don't want to do, just so they can get ahead. It's crazy the desires/temptations that rich, powerful men/women get when the are in those positions (i.e., Diddy).
Yes, Mel had valid points but we’re not going to sit here and act like this isn’t the same Mel Ford that said in an interview, “some people will do anything for fame, like signing your name in blood…” so why was it so difficult to stick to the point of this being one of the things black men are saying they’re being presented with in order to reach the top. THAT is the Mel I wish was present during this conversation. Not to take away from the points she made but let’s stop dancing around it like she isn’t privy to the ways of the industry.
All the people saying Mel was speaking facts is some damn simps lol. She kept going out of the specific topic on black men in dresses. Her answers were like a politician, just dancing around it. No clear answer but her saying "BuT tHE whItE mEn". If she looked up 'buck Breaking'. Then maybe her answers will stick to the topic
When women make a complaint against Hollywood it’s “believe black women” and if you don’t you’re cancelled. But when the tables are turned, black women don’t believe black men. Shit is wild.
I'm glad that everyone who I expected is on the same page, w/ the OBVIOUS, bc people love to play like they don't see it or even try to defend it!! I already KNEW that she wouldn't, and its not bc she's a woman!! Those men that she named, were not straight anyway!
The dress convo is super reaching. The black male actors that wore dresses is because they wanted too there is no boogeyman executive saying wear this or be broke forever. (Im a black male btw lol) Wearing a dress is a preference, like if I was an actor I personally would not be willing to wear a dress but thats me
No one "made" Denzel take that role. Denzel.. "took the role of Alonzo Harris in the 2001 crime thriller film Training Day because he wanted to emulate the style of Rafael Pérez, a real-life corrupt LAPD narcotics officer. Washington said that his portrayal of Harris is authentic and based on the style of Pérez" The award was because he was good in it.
@@kareydavis he wuz better in John Q & Malcolm u wrote all dat to make no sense .. tha whole point is why give tha Oscar ONLY when he played tha corrupt cop & not his role about about a black father who wuz willing to do anythang for his sons transplant
I think a lot of y’all missing their point because y’all feel like she made a valid argument. Yes there are actors that have put on the dress on their own. But they are speaking on the ones that are speaking out and saying if they DON’T put on the dress their career take a hit.
They are, theones agreeing with Mel are simps lol. She kept going around the topic and also bringing in white men. Literally whitewashing the conversation lol
She’s absolutely correct in what she said( it seems like Joe was taken this matter personal and was blinded by het true facts. An it made him look dumb and the rest of the weaklings just went along with Joe.
These men too old to be trying to force ppl to make points. Joe, you speak on it and stop forcing Mel to validate a conversation that she doesn’t get into. Ice, you speak on it, Joe, you speak on it, y’all talk about it!!
Well it depends on the actor. Michael B Jordan was a ESTABLISHED actor who got his big break. Lakeith Stansfield also was a ESTABLISHED actor coming into Hollywood. Johnathan Majors as well before the controversey. All have shown range and versatility in roles in their beginning stages. Compare that to say a comedian who doesn't have the same background but Hollywood don't know if they will sell on the big screen. Or even a rapper.
I can never understand why Kevin Hart talked about boundaries and stuff and then went on to wear the dress, what boundaries was he on about? Why didn't he wanna wear the dress and what made him change his big talk of boundaries cz he most definitely knew he looked stupid in that dress 🤦🏿
I’m with Mel on this… the other guys are just always thinking it’s an anti-black agenda. Not everything is a conspiracy and meant to hold black people down.
Mannnn at the end of the day it’s true black men putting on a dress to get ahead in Hollywood is a real thing, and not only jus putting on a dress but to get thru some of those doors u gone have to do some things 🤷🏾♂️
She's right. No one that has put on a dress has said that. Just like no white actors that has done that has said that. Now if these black comedians are brave enough to say I was told to play a role that required me to wear a dress, I declined then got no role of significance after then people would fully believe it is factual.
I like that Mel was playing Devil’s Advocate. Still, Joe made a strong point when he said Black actors had complained about this issue, so it’s hard to invalidate it. Besides wearing a dress, Hollywood has a way of portraying black male actors in a funny way. Just see what they did to John Boyega in Star Wars
Yea but to Mel’s point they do that with white actors too and she gave examples …I mean Ryan Renolds in Deadpool gets pegged….and again to Mel’s point white people find that funny. They made John Boyega seem like he’d be a Jedi but in modern media black actors have gotten a better shake. Not to discredit your point on how they a portrayed badly but the dress I’m not a real thing
Keanu reeves, kurt cobain, jim carey, robin williams, vin diesel, dave grohl… the men in dresses in Hollywood is not by race. I just named a few of many. I hear theories of this that go deeper into other agendas.
And none of them have came out and spoke about how they were coerced to wear a dress to get on, so why are they in this conversation. They are not the focus group, we are talking about those who spoke out and those who do not want to wear the dress.
WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
@@Eziopct then don't wear the dress. I'm sure there are white, asian etc actors that have passed on roles that weren't for them. Katt, Dave, and a handful of "comics" decided to pass on some roles, and stated their feelings publicly. This fueled a conspiracy of an organized plot to emasculate only black men from obtaining success in Hollywood. This totally discounts the efforts of the hundreds of A/B/C black male actors who have different levels of success without a dress
Mel's point is totally valid. Denzel, Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart, Steve Harvey, Don Cheadle, Terrance Howard, Keenan Ivory Wayans, Robert Townsend, Damon Wayans, Michael B. Jordan and Mahershala Ali have never worn dresses in a movie or TV show. All of them have been at the top of their profession without a dress. Johnathan Majors has never worn a dress and was cast in a major role for the multiple TV and movie appearances by the biggest studio in Hollywood. Hollywood is ruled by money at the end of the day. If you look at the history of Hollywood men in a dress has been a successful formula just as girls or women impersonating boys or men is. We as Black people also have a history of supporting these projects..... Martin, Big Momma's House 1 & 2, Norbit, 11 Madea movies, Jamie Foxx on In Living, all the way back to Nipsey Russell, etc. Just because one gay person in the industry tried you and used their leverage against you doesn't mean that every person in the industry follows the same playbook. There are heterosexual people that will do the same thing when being in a so-called position of power over you. Also Eddie Griffin and Katt Williams are not good examples. How many leading roles were going to be written for them? Let's be real. Undercover Brother was not a Box Office smash. To most consumers it's purely entertainment. I could care less how actors and comedians choose to live their lives. If your kids are being raised and influenced by celebrity content there lies the biggest problem.
I will never understand how people accept that there is sexual assault cases at Starbucks, Ross, Popeyes, like you know places that people work, except for fuckin’ Hollywood. It’s beyond me.
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I’m trying to understand what Joe didn’t understand about what Mel was saying. Mel had a perfectly valid point. And he was trying to act like she was out of line for saying. I don’t know why he acts like that. Let her make her point.
She didn’t have a valid point low life Joe was talking about black men that are saying they want them to wear a dress to get big
i think so too, its one of those things to where. sure someone is wanting it done for specifically bad reasons and other are more like i think this would be cool.
I think he was being purposely being obtuse but the the dudes are just dumb
The one time Mel actually is makin sense and valid points yall move the goal post
FACTZ!!!!!!
You mean like Joe does with everything that goes against his opinion?
She makes a lot of good points. You just mad because your piece is small, and you could NEVER bag a beauty like Mel.
@@darkskinssthey passed around 😂😂😂😂
@@darkskinss oh no u sure showed me!! I’m so upset I can’t pull a grandma lol
Tyler Perry wanted to wear that dress. Lol. He made his own so he can wear that dress.
Now he cant escape who he wanna be notice he play himself without madea still coming out
Still makes him a cross dresser
Mel was valid with her response she gave examples and they dismissed everything.
Expound?
Ice said she had a point....
@taurus8385 I dont believe having roles that require men to wear dresses is an attack against black men. Shit some of the other stories coming out about the acts of sexual request are more concerning to me.
@@MrJblazini there is nothing funny about a man wearing a dress…its emasculating and that was the whole basis of the conversation….its most definitely an attack on black men
Correct. Everything she said is how a logical person would process the proposition of "Black Men and The Dress". IF just as many white dudes are asked to wear it as black men are, then it doesn't seem like a "black man issue". ESPECIALLY when white comedians were wearing dresses for DECADES before black dudes were even allowed onstage or in movies. +I+ literally can't think of a single white comedic actor that I've NOT seen in a dress at some point +early in their careers+.
And it HAS been going on SO long that OBVIOUSLY a certain demographic (or, EVERYBODY?) +must+ just find it inherently funny -- without any degree of 'humiliation" involved.
"“Men dressing as women is a comedy staple, like a pie in the face.”" - Chris Rock
What Mel was saying about the dress convo is actually mad valid but they were tryna railroad her good points lol
I agree
Not true. The reason behind it is to show power over black men. It goes back to slavery when white men emasculating black man in front of everyone by raping him to show the white men’s dominance. Circumstances have changed but it’s the same thing. If the man actually wanted to be in that dress is different to be forced into the dress.
If you watch this hsow more than three times you would realize that they are a pact and its a male domination theme ... Plus its joe show which makes it worst
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When did she say all this
Ikr, she had such great points but they keep saying she wrong. Its a conspiracy
I hate when people ask a question but don't like the answer they get. Why even ask the question then?
Mel was making a solid point and Joe and the rest of them wouldn’t even let her answer ride cuz they didn’t like it. Still surprised she stays on the show cuz her opinion is rarely respected.
mel was 100% right , and joe was acting childish.
mel needs to go shes afraud in real time everytime
Mel , was looking to defend the white perspective, and joe was not having it.
Mel is just diluting this whole conversation with outliers
She didn't make one solid point. Bringing up white men VOLUNTERILY wearing dresses doesn't address black men HAVING TO wear dresses to get ahead at all.
Mel made solid arguments. I am impressed. The problem with this discussion is that Joe and the other guys were not prepared to actually have an informed argument. They just assumed the argument makes itself. I think it's safe to say that black men have to do more to get ahead...but Mel's points are still legit with this specific argument.
Whos not informed is mel Its not valid at all WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
what is do more.....??? let's have that discussion
I gave several examples within one of my responses, of black actors (some A and B list) who didn't have to wear a dress to become successful. People may feel some kinda way personally about men being in drag, but the argument isn't sound if you play it out logically.
@@kennethcunningham70 "Do more" just in general, black people have to do a lot more to get the machine behind them. A white actor can have a moment and will have a machine behind them to blow them up. It typically takes a black actor more than just a moment for the industry to justify them as a legit star.
@@kareydavis Here's the thing...because I'm not an actor or comedian, I don't want to dismiss it completely. But I do think that there's more of an argument to be made than what people would like to admit. I do think that overall, white men don't have an issue wearing dresses...and that's the "component" I think many black people never considered.
Mel was making some great points!
Joe and the others crossed a line. Mel responded to a question, but they were dissatisfied with her reply and continued to drag the issue, unfairly portraying her as insensitive to the struggles of black actors. Their approach was disingenuous. Was she expected to confirm a conspiracy against black actors in Hollywood?.
You can't argue with stupid. They will break you. She did her best though
Even tho I'm rockin with the fellas on this I fully agree with you. You articulated that beautifully... I'm startin a podcast, you wanna be a guest???
She is but she not they she got stuff lined up but I understand what she saying but she did just go against the question a lil ik she knows about them parties they should have asked her about that 😂 cause ik she been n them parties
You sound very moist and wrong. She was giving the all lives matter approach and putting on the cape for her other half. That's why it's kinda hard having a podcast like this with a bunch of men especially men of their generation and just one woman because as soon as something like this happens y'all ready to jump down the black man's throat and these woman been assbackwards and dead wrong sometimes just as the men does too but did you or the others that capeing for her said she crossed the line on lying on Cam?? Yeah Idk think so
😂😂😂😂 we'll never know @@joshuaroach4045
she has a great point but you have to disregard it to make whatever point joe wants to make. you can do that for everything,
Hollywood likes to put men in dresses. Tom Hanks, Robin Williams, Dustin Hoffman Ect.
Now, Tyler Perry WROTE, PRODUCED, Directed and Starred in his rolls. He did it his way.
(I don't like that crap)
But I think it is sick that Hollywood wants any man to dress as a woman.
Why?? Like Kat said...Martin put the dress on for Big Mamas House, and wanted to do it again! why? I do agree with ICE.
@@mr.e3247Not Kat williams
The problem is her Point had nothing to do with the conversation you can have a great point but if it's not a part of the conversation then your point is pointless
@@FluffyTalesTriviahow tf can a "great point"also be "pointlessness"? That's an oxymoron 😂
@@FluffyTalesTrivia She asked him about Drake!! what the hell are you talking about????
Mel is the only one in the conversation with common sense.
Wtf were you watching?
The problem here… is that Mel is the ONLY person on here intelligent enough to comprehend and express an actual informed decision. Joe doesn’t even know how to disagree without invalidating or throwing a tantrum.
Mel is right on this one. There are plenty white male actors (mostly comics) that have put on a dress at some point….Adam Sandler, Robin Williams, Jim Carey. Most of the successful black comics put this dress on before they even hit the big screen like Jamie Foxx, so who wrote the Wanda skits? The Wayans family or white writers 🤔
All those actors are “black” white actors that you mentioned. Too close to the other side so they were offered the dress.
All those actors are “black” white actors that you mentioned. Too close to the other side so they were offered the dress.
All those actors are “black” white actors that you mentioned. Too close to the other side so they were offered the dress.
@@princessvybez6708 How do you feel about Eddie Murphy? With the amazing display of groundbreaking talent in the first Coming to America in being able to play multiple characters and they were not only hilarious but believable. You don’t think as much of a visionary talent he is, that he didn’t want to play characters like the mom & grandma in The Nutty Professor or Rasputia in Norbit? You think he was forced to do that by an agenda? I think Martin was inspired by Eddie, Richard and Flip Wilson who all played various characters.
@@isaiahbrown2212 thanks this a great point
I usually don't agree with Mel but like other comments said, she made valid points that I've noticed in Hollywood too. Or at least she was trying to make a point. There's this demasculinization of men period! Sometimes we as black people don't always have to separate ourselves from the rest of society, sometimes all of us, as humans are facing the same issues. Sometimes!
Its not valid at all WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
Idk about that, I think hollywood just has bad writers
I just commented this! Is a war on men. All races, ages!
@@juscelinefernandes3674 dudes been wearing drag since the start of theater and stage plays. I dont like it, but its not an attack.
Its just bad writing most likely
@@GuessWhatHappened1 that can be true, but why take the more masculine men and make them wear women clothing? It’s an agenda
Well said Mel..... The problem with us is we are ignorant to subjects that we think we're such scholars on..... Just give shorty her point.... She is on point.....!!!
What was her point now?
So how do we explain them trying to make Dave wear a dress until he stood on not wearing it and they came a couple minutes later with a different script 🤷🏾♂️ there is something to it
@@xmandaboss1lol but he has a clip wearing a dress
this is a goofy conversation, Mel is saying straight facts and these dudes are talking about the a damn dress 🤦🏾♂️
She wasn't speaking no facts
U dudes who think she speaking facts are fukn GOOFY
Mel made a good point and Joe squashed it.
He TRIED to squash it, but she was right on point.
How was she right, she listed of some white men that wore dresses, what percentage of them is that like 5%? While with black men, now what percentage of top actors didn't 5%?
Or it's like negating the point that some women complain of doing unsavory things to get ahead because they willingly did it. They shouldn't have had to make the choice to sleep with some people to get roles
@@temi472 The point she was making is that the dress wearing is not SPECIFIC to Black men. If anything (even though she didn't say it like this), it's tied to comedic acting vs. racial biases. If Black comedy actors don't want to wear dresses, then don't take those roles.
@TruthDefined4life some men are forced to sleep with other men in Hollywood also, should we say and make a whole movement for men also and say it's equivalent because a couple of men went through?
You're completely ignoring the discrepancy in the fact that it SEEMS almost every black male actor gets the proposition and only few white male actors do.
Please respond to those 2 points so we can have a convenient
@@TruthDefined4lifebingo
Mel is really funnier and Smarter than what i had imagined when she broke down the differences in humor
u spelled full of sht wrong
She’s one of the first females to expose the industry in their demonic rituals that celebrities have to go through and that’s why she decided not to work as a list actress anymore
I think Joe was saying. “Black men are saying this about Hollywood and wearing a dress. The situations where they have worn it or been blackballed because they didn’t.” But Mel kept bringing up voluntary men that do it. The same way that a pod prior they said Taraji and black women are saying this in regards to pay in Hollywood. Would it be okay to tell her about the white female actors that voluntarily take pay cuts for roles in major films or do we address what Taraji/Monique said?
Good point. The issue here is how many Black actors are saying this - 10/100? And are they right that their career gets railroaded if they don't do it? Let's look at every successful comedy Black actor and see if they wore a dress to get ahead, or wore a dress before Hollywood in Black produced plays. Last point is that white powerful Hollywood male execs be trying to take advantage of everyone male or female on the casting couch, at parties, or in private. The dress is not their kink. I just think the white execs think the dress is funny because so many white people think it's funny.
This entire dress narrative is a bandwagon issue. Nobody has an issue with it until Chappelle said something (he wore a dress). It really ain't that deep and people who pretend to be deep always play one side on this issue. Before Chappelle said something, we all rocked with Jamie Foxx, Martin, Eddie, Chapelle and the rest. The reason why men is dresses is so popular because it's the easiest laugh to get. It's no different than a fart joke or guy slipping on a banana peel. It's a cliche joke that may have been overplayed but that's all it is a joke. The only comics who complain are those who can't get the roles anyway. They use that as an excuse for the fact their career ain't where they want it to be. Instead of taking accountability, the make up these stories about turning down "initiations". If you upset about dresses, be upset about black men playing drug dealers, murderers, prostitutes or jesters. If not, stfu about it all.
Not true
@@niriboy8952 insightful. Thanks for the response smh
It's submission & humiliation tactics Goofy ...nothing more nothing less!!!! And these CLOWNS that do it have NO INTEGRITY & NO DIGNITY & are selling out for fame & fortune!!! GTFOH!!!
Gay
That isn't true. Chappelle just articulated in a particular way.
Take the L with grace fellas. Mel got the W on this one.
My issue with this argument is I think there are definitely cases that involve putting us in dresses for oppressive reasons. But not every case is like that. There are some that the actor just want to play the role and thought they can do it the funniest. The Wayans bro, Martin, Eddie Murphy. 3 examples (out of many) where I think they were just being creative and funny.
What case is that? I think the whole argument falls flat since white actors do it aswell
@@Peopleofthesun386 you can’t use sense
What case is that, every black actor that did a movie was very very well establish. Martin, eddy, tyler this where multi multi millionares before putting on a dress.
There are a ton of white actors that wore dresses. I think the issue is how much importance the black community puts on an actor being approached about wearing a dress. If they say yes or no is probably the most uninteresting thing I’ve ever had to listen to. Who gives af if they wear a dress or not or if they’re mad that someone asked them to? If they’re offended by it why give those people (supposedly) more power by getting mad at it. Why dignify it with more attention? It’s dumb af
@@leeclarke6097 stop lyin Martin wasnt a multi millionaire yet when he did it on his show & Tyler Perry literally got famous off Madea
They keep moving the goal post everytime she directly answers, when they don't agree.
mel was eating joe up ..and yall know im a joe fanatic ....i hate how they try to shut her down and she be having valid points....his response to her tyler perry comment made no sense
We as Black people are already a very homophobic race. We also are closed minded more than we'd like to admit. I think comparing White & Black male actors in dresses was TOTALLY necessary for this conversation and in my opinion, the panel wanted to exclude it because it really is valid. If white men didn't need to wear dresses, like most on the panel thought, they wouldn't be wearing them! I think because of our history, we are triggered. As we should be, if we feel that way; however, not everything is an attack or an agenda. Every situation is different, every actors story is different, you can't paint everything with one stroke and call it an issue. We are always victims in these conversations and were always pointing the finger. We can never really hold ourselves accountable and figure out if the problem just might be us.
Blacks no homophobia at all black are the only race that allows gays in church without judgement no other race allowed that in their church
That's a lie that comes from liberals.
Mel made some good points but you also can't disregard what Dave Chappelle said on Oprah years ago about this topic. And also remember when young Joc had that dress on on the sidewalk and when he was questioned about it, he said something to the likes of that he had to do what he had to do
Of course you can just because Chappelle said it it does not mean its true
Dave was in a dress too
@@Peopleofthesun386 Eddie Griffin and Katt Williams also confirmed the conspiracy
@@gzo737 they gave an opinion they confirmed nothing.again how is it about race if white people do it as well
Argumentation is an ART. You MUST listen. They’re not listening to Mel.
Joe seems like he likes to argue about anything or to admit he is wrong
“Is there anything that you will say no to?” Heard this question posed so many times but never felt the gravity of it until listening to this very serious conversation.
Mels point gets lost because its a conversation about how black men are feeling not how how men are feeling. Black men for years are 1 of 3 things in movies the thug , the oreo , or the clown in a dress. When the dress matters to the role it makes sense like Ms.Doubtfire ( dad trying to spend time with his kids and has ti pretend to be an old nanny to do so) but Big Mamas house 2 did not need to have them in a dress again...there isnt a white chicks 2 for a reason
No white chicks 2 because the first one flopped
@@Peopleofthesun386 The first one did 113 million lol
Thank you idk what everyone is talking about
Exactly! How is this point lost on people???
This funny as hell, they was tryna invalidate her so bad🤦🏾♀️
Glad u found it funny....it was very annoying and painful to watch. Wtf have Mel there IF her OPINIONS AND VIEWS ALWAYS gonna get SHOT DOWN😳🤦🏾♂️🙄
She's hitting them with the old hard facts and they saying 'those actors were white or they don't need to'
You crazy if you think a black man putting on a dress isn’t buttbreaking. Thats equivalent to a black women wearing jock straps and condoms. You’re out of proper polarity.
@@tremaine861all her points were pointless lol WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
Why does every women needs to be validated?
Flip Wilson,Eddie Murphy and Martin did it because they wanted to. Yes a Black actress could've played Sha Nay Nay. But it was HILARIOUS watching Martin play her. Same with Eddie in the Nutty Professor. I would NEVER say there aren't SOME White executives who do that. But alot do it strictly for the comedy aspect. And the narrative changed like 10-15 years ago because u didn't hear this when Martin was on every week.
no it came out when Dave Chappelle appeared on Oprah & told his story Martin is a gatekeeper of course he has no problem puttin a dress on
@@XxThePhantomFreezexX Exactly. Brandon T Jackson explained it himself about the dress lol
Mel actually being the intelligent one in this conversation is wild.
Glad she stood firm.
🧢🧢she tryna downplay it….
Hard disagree. Her best point was about the differences in humor which is precisely the point. Why do bigots make racist jokes? Because they think it’s funny but the ppl the joke is about don’t feel the same way because they’re the butt of the joke. Same thing with the dress
Black and white men wear this dress.
Not saying the dress is good idea because I don’t like the dress comedy any ways but what I am saying is it’s an overall power dynamic in the movie industry and anybody can experience it
@@rickrodriguez5514 thats not the point of the conversation …its Hollywoods way of humiliating and emasculating BLACK MEN…
@@taurus8385 so what does it mean when it happens to a white actor?
Nothing because he’s white? lol
Release the dr Umar episodes
I am tired of our culture making issues that don’t exist. Anyone that wore a dress wore it VOLUNTARILY. Just because you choose to give up your dignity for fame and money that’s on YOU!
But it influences our children
@@elr8732that’s where parents are supposed to come in and do the job of “parenting”…
So why are there so many black actors coming out saying they were once forced to wear a dress?
Wearing a dress is the least of our concerns when it comes to kids. Our entire culture influences our kids in a more negative way.@@elr8732
We’re talking about the actors that were coerced but didn’t wear the dress as well so your comment doesn’t adress the whole issue
Basically if you don’t agree with Joe…you’re wrong. Why do they even have a woman on the show if they’re not gonna accept HER opinion?? Weird.
For the 🦝s saying "Mel had a point":
"Perhaps one of slave owners’ more innovatively cruel strategies concerned the ways they sought to completely emasculate enslaved boys and men-by denying them the right to wear pants. By forcing young African American boys and men to wear dress-like shirts, the owners of flesh attempted to feminize and humiliate enslaved males on a daily basis. According to scores of interviews with the formerly enslaved, denying black boys and young men the right to wear pants was a relatively widespread practice throughout the Deep South."
-Stanley M. Elkins
I love how well Mel articulated her points
Hollywood here😂 we will have your men all looking like ru Paul soon 😂😂
I hope they read these comments lol. Mel has a great point. The guys are be willfully ignorant about her talking points.
Wearing a dress as a black male actor is a sucka move shout out Chappelle, Samuel L Jackson, Denzel for upholding values and morals as hlack men
My brother in humanity Dave Chappelle also wore a dress lmao, ya'll gotta stop portraying him as this above all savior.
Dave wore the dress and also starred in Robin Hood "Men in Tights"
@@ptyten9718 on the Howard Stern parody? I never said he never did .. they tried in blue streak and he said naw understanding that only way up is thru the dress for most black men and he choose to have some morals
Mel just killed their entire argument with the facts...
no she didn't that's like saying because some white men are mistreated by police that there isn't an issue with police brutality against Black men.
Their reaction to Mel's point reminds of how flat-earthers get mad when you bring Math and Physics into the conversation 😂😂😂
Great episode topic
that "holy s***" from joe represented every man ever created
Joe wore the dress so he should know. 😂 purse too!
Yeah y’all did her dirty and acted like she was speaking Spanish because she posed questions for furthering the convo and understanding…. That’s foul
Why are y'all tryna make it sound like Mel tripping??? It ain't just black men, its men in general. And thats the point she was making. And as far as the dress, I always thought of it as just comedy. Nothing more, nothing less
The Blk men in Hollywood saying it, and you- a person on the Internet- is disregarding it. OK.
@@YawdanFar as I can tell, Katt is the one that said it. Further, seems like there are bigger fish to fry than 'black men being forced to wear dresses' in Hollywood in the year 2024. How about we deal with vastly more current issues, like black men getting more opportunities from the jump, than worrying about what they wear when they get there.
@@joebrown6778no Dave Chappelle said and other black actors said it too
@@joebrown6778... If that was the first time you heard about it, then you really need to sit back and listen rather than try and engage when you haven't got the insight to discuss the topic.
The fact that this issue is actually one of the factors affecting the subsequent question you proposed says it all.
@@JePe-on4ff So we're bringing up Blue Streak in 2024? We're gonna storm Hollywood offices over Dave declining to wear a dress in Blue Streak?
Acknowledge how these blk male actors are feeling!💜💜
Jamie Foxx created Wanda , martin sha'naynay martin in big momma,Eddie Murphy in norbit. They all created the character.. it's only like 10 movies/tv shows with black men in dresses and they had to accept the role that was already written
If they wanted to relay the point to Mel in a way that she could truly understand, would be to ask her to think about how and why she got certain gigs as a video model and what was expected in terms of the girls that made it to the top vs the ones that got black balled... but we have already heard that Mel will do something strange for some change...
foh
😂
Facts!
Mel is talking like someone in Corp America not believing there are glass ceilings for minorities un Corp America. Playing it safe
the fact white men do as well blows holes all through this theory tho
Lolol it's so true
It means nothing. If one group of men say it's okay and they get work. Then another group of men say no we are not with it and they don't get work.
@@MrJduke40You act like this is a modern day problem. I know nothing about what happens behind the scenes there, you don't either, but with all the problems black men have getting lead roles today you people focus on this? I can't think of one actor in the past 10 years this even applies to.
@@joebrown6778 black men are coming out every few months talking about some dude grabbing their Johnson asking them to partake in their activities... Chappelle was the last mega star asked to put on a dress that said no. Kevin Heart rolled over and put on the dress.
The more society goes left the more people will be okay with it and just go along. You just heard Queens Flip say he was asked.
Mel is answering every question in the most PC way!! They are solely sayin black male actors & she consistently brings up white male actors as a counterpoint.
Is it not the same? If both are doing it, then why separate them. You can't say blacks are going through this and not compare it. Cause then there would be no black/white convo. Just males wearing dresses.
Because it’s not a thing.. the black community makes it a thing.
@@voiceofalabama because the question itself was direct, they specifically asked her feelings about black male actors feeling/or sayin they’re trying to be forced to wear dresses, she in turned responded with a defective response by saying “white male actors do it” that was neither here nor there in relevance to the question that was asked
@@voiceofalabamathats your problem u so concerned about wth the whyte man doing like everything they do is law have some dam self respect clown
@@ryanforbes1114Lol debunking a question's premises is very relevant. I guarantee if I asked you why do blck men do (enter negative thing) your immediate response would be why are you singling out blck men if I can give you countless examples of white men doing it too.
🎶THEY GOT ME FEEL'N LIKE BLACK MEN ARE WOMEN🎶
OH, WRONG CHANNEL YO! MY BAD YO!
Lmfao I be feeling the same way too ChatKing 😅
Martin created the shenehneh character and eddy Murphy created the clump characters so that's not force
Mel is a part of the problem
She’s mixed, you can’t have real conversations with someone who wants to maintain relationships on both sides
How are you asking her an opinion and then shutting her down. This is insane
Yes it is ploy to emasculate Black men. Mel is mixed race and Canadian and doesn't FULLY understand our struggle as Black folks in the U.S. she and her relatives haven't lived it.
🤦🏽♂️ U definitely took the short bus
Pretty much all black folk in America are mixed race.
I agree with many of the comments here. Mel really had valid points and the men just didn't want to hear it. Yes, black men are pressured to wear a dress, but it's not a "black man problem". I see it more of a Hollywood problem, where, for some reason, the executives feel that they should have power over the actors and force them to do things they don't want to do, just so they can get ahead. It's crazy the desires/temptations that rich, powerful men/women get when the are in those positions (i.e., Diddy).
Yes, Mel had valid points but we’re not going to sit here and act like this isn’t the same Mel Ford that said in an interview, “some people will do anything for fame, like signing your name in blood…” so why was it so difficult to stick to the point of this being one of the things black men are saying they’re being presented with in order to reach the top. THAT is the Mel I wish was present during this conversation. Not to take away from the points she made but let’s stop dancing around it like she isn’t privy to the ways of the industry.
It’s always that one person causing more confusion. Mel is acting oblivious. @9:00 is wild
All the people saying Mel was speaking facts is some damn simps lol. She kept going out of the specific topic on black men in dresses. Her answers were like a politician, just dancing around it. No clear answer but her saying "BuT tHE whItE mEn". If she looked up 'buck Breaking'. Then maybe her answers will stick to the topic
Mel took the oath thats why she tryin to discurage about
Black Men have complained about this issue for YEARS…to plead ignorance and say “educate me” is a dismissive cop out
She was wack for that.
When women make a complaint against Hollywood it’s “believe black women” and if you don’t you’re cancelled. But when the tables are turned, black women don’t believe black men. Shit is wild.
I'm glad that everyone who I expected is on the same page, w/ the OBVIOUS, bc people love to play like they don't see it or even try to defend it!! I already KNEW that she wouldn't, and its not bc she's a woman!! Those men that she named, were not straight anyway!
Not black but other men also....Robin Williams, John Cena and its started with Jason Momoa. She is right. No man in Hollywood is safe.
The dress convo is super reaching. The black male actors that wore dresses is because they wanted too there is no boogeyman executive saying wear this or be broke forever. (Im a black male btw lol) Wearing a dress is a preference, like if I was an actor I personally would not be willing to wear a dress but thats me
Dave Chappell literally said execs tried to make him wear a dress, is he a liar
U are blond
U are blind
U are blind
Thank u Joe I appreciate u staying tough on her with her bs and not bagging off the topic king🥷🏾
"why Denzel have to go crooked before he took it" 💯
No one "made" Denzel take that role. Denzel.. "took the role of Alonzo Harris in the 2001 crime thriller film Training Day because he wanted to emulate the style of Rafael Pérez, a real-life corrupt LAPD narcotics officer. Washington said that his portrayal of Harris is authentic and based on the style of Pérez"
The award was because he was good in it.
@@kareydavis he wuz better in John Q & Malcolm u wrote all dat to make no sense .. tha whole point is why give tha Oscar ONLY when he played tha corrupt cop & not his role about about a black father who wuz willing to do anythang for his sons transplant
I think a lot of y’all missing their point because y’all feel like she made a valid argument. Yes there are actors that have put on the dress on their own. But they are speaking on the ones that are speaking out and saying if they DON’T put on the dress their career take a hit.
They are, theones agreeing with Mel are simps lol. She kept going around the topic and also bringing in white men. Literally whitewashing the conversation lol
Melissa's correct
She’s not a black man though 🥴
This beautiful lady smashed it. Everything she said was spot on
She’s absolutely correct in what she said( it seems like Joe was taken this matter personal and was blinded by het true facts. An it made him look dumb and the rest of the weaklings just went along with Joe.
These men too old to be trying to force ppl to make points. Joe, you speak on it and stop forcing Mel to validate a conversation that she doesn’t get into. Ice, you speak on it, Joe, you speak on it, y’all talk about it!!
Mel had the deflecting track shoes on the whole time. She deflected and ran from that one almost as good as CTG.
I understand and agree Joe's point, the convo is about the black man struggle in Hollywood. It ain't about actors wearing dresses randomly
Well it depends on the actor. Michael B Jordan was a ESTABLISHED actor who got his big break. Lakeith Stansfield also was a ESTABLISHED actor coming into Hollywood. Johnathan Majors as well before the controversey. All have shown range and versatility in roles in their beginning stages. Compare that to say a comedian who doesn't have the same background but Hollywood don't know if they will sell on the big screen. Or even a rapper.
I can never understand why Kevin Hart talked about boundaries and stuff and then went on to wear the dress, what boundaries was he on about? Why didn't he wanna wear the dress and what made him change his big talk of boundaries cz he most definitely knew he looked stupid in that dress 🤦🏿
Mell is so soft spoken, well articulated with informed analysis.
I’m with Mel on this… the other guys are just always thinking it’s an anti-black agenda. Not everything is a conspiracy and meant to hold black people down.
For once Mel actually was given fair points so I don’t see her being PC. It looks like you’re mad just because she don’t fully agree with y’all.
Mel is presenting an ad hominem. Her point is valid in theory, but speaking on white actors wearing dresses in Hollywood was irrelevant.
Mannnn at the end of the day it’s true black men putting on a dress to get ahead in Hollywood is a real thing, and not only jus putting on a dress but to get thru some of those doors u gone have to do some things 🤷🏾♂️
The black men that wire dresses haven't complained...katt complained...youre good Mel
Can't alie mel was 100% right on her points and give great examples
Y'all tried to bully her to say what y'all wanted her to say.
She's right. No one that has put on a dress has said that. Just like no white actors that has done that has said that. Now if these black comedians are brave enough to say I was told to play a role that required me to wear a dress, I declined then got no role of significance after then people would fully believe it is factual.
Actors have said that tho ....
@@Qistexas If they have I haven't heard it. Not saying you aren't truthful , just i personally haven't heard that from anyone.
I like that Mel was playing Devil’s Advocate. Still, Joe made a strong point when he said Black actors had complained about this issue, so it’s hard to invalidate it. Besides wearing a dress, Hollywood has a way of portraying black male actors in a funny way. Just see what they did to John Boyega in Star Wars
Yea but to Mel’s point they do that with white actors too and she gave examples …I mean Ryan Renolds in Deadpool gets pegged….and again to Mel’s point white people find that funny. They made John Boyega seem like he’d be a Jedi but in modern media black actors have gotten a better shake. Not to discredit your point on how they a portrayed badly but the dress I’m not a real thing
Wow! They completely railroaded the valid point Melyssa Ford was making…
Completely
You couldn’t pay me to sit in this room. These men can’t think past “men vs women”
Keanu reeves, kurt cobain, jim carey, robin williams, vin diesel, dave grohl… the men in dresses in Hollywood is not by race. I just named a few of many. I hear theories of this that go deeper into other agendas.
Which of those white man have exposed man in dress?
And none of them have came out and spoke about how they were coerced to wear a dress to get on, so why are they in this conversation. They are not the focus group, we are talking about those who spoke out and those who do not want to wear the dress.
WHITE MEN CULTURE IS HOMOSEXUALITY since the beginning of time u do know the original romeo an juliet was 2 men right? White men dnt have a issue wearing a dress in hollywood the same way they dont have a issue goin to epstein island...
@@Eziopct then don't wear the dress. I'm sure there are white, asian etc actors that have passed on roles that weren't for them. Katt, Dave, and a handful of "comics" decided to pass on some roles, and stated their feelings publicly. This fueled a conspiracy of an organized plot to emasculate only black men from obtaining success in Hollywood. This totally discounts the efforts of the hundreds of A/B/C black male actors who have different levels of success without a dress
@@Eziopctlike who?
They stay talking over Mel…. What’s crazy is she don’t even know how many people are waiting for her OWN show!!! 💯🤷🏽♀️
Mel got all of her a-ph-bet male friends on here to agree, I see!! I completely agree w/ you guys and she knows exactly what y'all mean!!
Mel should quit
I was done listening when Tom Hanks entire the convo AND MEL Allegedly sleep with Ice T in a restroom for 3k 😂😂😂😂 PC’d
Mel's point is totally valid. Denzel, Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart, Steve Harvey, Don Cheadle, Terrance Howard, Keenan Ivory Wayans, Robert Townsend, Damon Wayans, Michael B. Jordan and Mahershala Ali have never worn dresses in a movie or TV show. All of them have been at the top of their profession without a dress. Johnathan Majors has never worn a dress and was cast in a major role for the multiple TV and movie appearances by the biggest studio in Hollywood. Hollywood is ruled by money at the end of the day. If you look at the history of Hollywood men in a dress has been a successful formula just as girls or women impersonating boys or men is. We as Black people also have a history of supporting these projects..... Martin, Big Momma's House 1 & 2, Norbit, 11 Madea movies, Jamie Foxx on In Living, all the way back to Nipsey Russell, etc. Just because one gay person in the industry tried you and used their leverage against you doesn't mean that every person in the industry follows the same playbook. There are heterosexual people that will do the same thing when being in a so-called position of power over you. Also Eddie Griffin and Katt Williams are not good examples. How many leading roles were going to be written for them? Let's be real. Undercover Brother was not a Box Office smash. To most consumers it's purely entertainment. I could care less how actors and comedians choose to live their lives. If your kids are being raised and influenced by celebrity content there lies the biggest problem.
"What's the problem? I'd wear a dress." - Melyssa
That conversation was way above her pay grade, she never understood anything.
I will never understand how people accept that there is sexual assault cases at Starbucks, Ross, Popeyes, like you know places that people work, except for fuckin’ Hollywood. It’s beyond me.
Mel definitely had a point
Either way. It’s absolutely a humiliation ritual
Mel must be trying to get a job, she can’t even answer the question!!!!