ROBERTO DURAN - THE TRUTH BEHIND THE "NO MAS" INCIDENT
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- Hector Martinez - former trainer of Roberto Duran - talks about the second fight with Sugar Ray Leonard & Duran with the infamous "NO MAS" incident in the debut podcast of NIGHT OF THE MANZANARES hosted by aspiring Boxers Gabe & Gustavo Manzanares - produced by Frisco Boxing as part of our BOXING AND THE WORLD BEYOND podcast #rayleonard #robertoduran #boxing
excerpt from BOXING & THE WORLD BEYOND podcast series NIGHT OF THE MANZANARES with hosts Gabe & Gustavo Manzanares and special guests former World Champion Welterweight Carlos Palomino and former trainer of Roberto Duran - Hector Martinez along with strength conditioner and cutman Michael Bazzel - the whole video of podcast is coming soon! The full audio can be heard @ boxingandtheworldbeyond.podbe... - กีฬา
Quiting is quiting no excuse .
cherry picking and bribery is cherry picking and bribery...no excuse.
Wishing yer face would quit.
😖🤮
End of the day it's Duran's fault he let himself get out of shape and let himself get into in a position where he decided to quit. That being said, some things we can gather are:
1. Duran in Montreal and Duran in New Orleans had two very different levels of focus and fitness.
2. Leonard did not want any parts of a fully fit Duran in the rematch and deliberately pushed for a fight with a compromised Duran.
Explain number 2.
Duran trusted his people wouldn't accept bribes and coerce him into a fight they knew he couldn't be ready for....just as Ray had planned it. Duran was stabbed in the back by his own people. That is what hurt Duran the most.
agree with 1 and 2.
Pushed for a fight with a compromised duran??? Mfckr it wasn't up to Ray if duran decides to exercise more or not
Oh whatever.
You never give up unless you are injured or doing something where you could be seriously injured.
Walter's vs Loma was pathetic .. walters wasn't meant for boxing
Or unless ur about to shit ur self in the ring...bad nite for Duran Lol
How many fights did you have
@@charlesrazo7246 me myself and, we've had many 😉
@@anz2441 I got to see Duran fight in the 70s when he was in his prime that dude was a animal
Duran one of the greatest ever
That was Leonard’s strategy. Catch him out of shape.
And Duran's strategy was to let himself go and then make excuses.
@@logicalblackman8228 Sure it was…. sure
@@logicalblackman8228 definitely what it was im newer to boxing but always thought ppl made too many excuses for duran
@@tonydardi332 I reviewed the video and stand by my original statement. Explain why you object to my comment. please be specific as possible.
Edit: I see that you’re the one who wrote the ridiculous OP. As such, I’m not expecting a logical answer from you.
@@bmorkidkyrie7372 because of 1 fight? No excuses needed, shameful on Ray's part to want to fight his biggest rival when he knew Duran could not be ready. To bribe his handlers into convincing him that there would be a 3rd fight. If you want to be a fanboy of that, then you don't know boxing.
Carlos Palomino...un gran boxeador y persona muy inteligente ...honesta...!!!
Yeah, Shoulda coulda woulda now explain the 3rd fight since he was aware of his mistake he made during the 2nd fight
Duran was 7 years "older" than Ray, and thats a huge difference when you are almost "40". Can you imagine if the age difference between them was "reversed"?!.....Just sayin
Where was Duran's management?! Are you serious! You're gonna let your fighter fight under such physical duress...they were foolish, greedy, over confident...oh well...they tarnished an all-time great...and Duran should have known better...it still pisses me off till this day!
Exactly, this is where management comes in...I don't wanna hear money...fights are cancelled and rescheduled all the time...Hearns vs Hagler was postponed ok. Duran was the better fighter between him and SRL !!
They said he couldnt pass uo the money.
Ray didn’t move much the 1st fight. Ray stood in there the 2nd fight Ray turned to money may.
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Who is this guy talking? Never saw him before
Same thing happened with ruiz ( party and drink )
YUP, like Hector says, Duran trained for almost "5" months for the first fight w/ Ray. He was so chiseled and his cardio and overall motivation was the highest it had been since the rematch w/ DeJesus !
But, Here's a part of the story NO ONE has heard but Jim Jacobs, me and a few others, Roberto and Felicidad among them obviously...Jesus I hope I dont get killed for sayin all this..Its been YEARS man....OK, here goes. I used to buy and trade fight films w/ Jimmy as he had at that time the most comprehensive boxing library in existence. I bought some old fight films from Jim and we talked on the phone a few times, but I had never "met" him yet.
Jim was a "Class Act", a true gentleman in an unsavory world, and was respected by everyone. He helped Mike Tyson out a lot at one point and was universally loved, seriously...So anyway I find out he's in town and Im looking to get some old films of Olivares and he winds up coming to one of my gigs so we end up meeting in person in California.
The band goes on break I sit down with Jimmy and the conversation turns inevitably to the subject of Roberto Duran. And we both agree he's the best light weight ever which sets the stage for our next dialogue, which was via telephone almost a decade later.
This is what Promoter and a legend himself Jim Jacobs told me concerning that rematch with Ray. I will never forget it because, like I said, Jim "knew" I was a Duran fan from the old days, so he relished the conversation, and he told me Duran wept in the limo on the way to the airport after the rematch because he "KNEW" he hadnt been prepared and he KNEW "why"....
So this is what Jacobs told me that night. Jim said that Duran literally had to take diuretics' and train in a rubber corset to make weight for the 2nd fight w/ Ray. He made "weight" but as they say "it wasnt GOOD weight".....
and here's what very few know....Duran's wife had a gambling issue and "they" , Roberto and his wife had an arrangement"...she didnt press him about his affairs and he didnt press her about her gambling...
And thats how their marriage worked "at that time"....Anyway, Ray decides to fight Duran again and catch him out of shape because any real fight fan and fighter KNEW Duran at that stage of his life "blew up" after a big fight...
Anyway, and Duran had blown up to 190+ before their 2nd fight. What Jimmy told "ME" was that Roberto's wife was into the mob and they were starting to press him for the $.So Eleta decides w/ Don King to make this money and of course this would help Duran out at the same time, and thats "WHY" the fight went down like it did.
He told Freddie Brown to stop the fight after the 5th round because Duran "knew" he was unable to cut off the ring like he did in their first fight, because he was outta shape AND Ray was a lot more elusive then in their first fight, and Duran did NOT want to get embarrassed.
He told Freddie Brown to "stop it" but Brown refused saying "The money's already in a bank in Panama, we'll never get out of here alive if we stop it" You beat Lou Bizzarro when you had diarrhea", and Roberto replied "this isnt Lou Bizzarro"! Duran fought the 6th and 7th and then when he returned to his corner again asked Brown to stop it and when he refused Duran said "if you dont stop the fight I will quit in the middle of the ring and then YOU can think of something to tell the world"
Duran, the DURAN that beat Ray in Montreal, who trained for 4 and 1/2 months and was in such shape he came in 2 LBs "under" the welter limit, THAT Duran beats any welter alive at that time, including Hearn's.
ANYONE !
ps. I have NO agenda here other than the truth and I will most likely erase this soon because it makes me nervous to repeat this shit on account I dont feel like gettin shot, but I SWEAR on all things Sacred AND Un-holy, THIS is what Jim said to me that night some 30 + years ago !
Perhaps Jim embellished some things, I cant say. It certainly wasnt like him to be anything but honest and dependable. Jim sadly passed away from leukemia some time ago but he was known as an honest, integral man in a shitty business and like I said, everyone liked him.Ask Iron Mike about Jim Jacobs, or Teddy Atlas.....or anyone who was around and is still alive who knew Jim....
Anyway, thats it
Peace everyone, salud Roberto Duran !
No mas fight was a set up.
If Duran was American.. they would've found a way to postpone that fight.
I totally agree...
That's ridiculous. It was on Duran to stay in shape; Ray Leonard wasn't obligated to move the fight because Duran couldn't make weight.
There was to much money involved 10 million bucks
Also seen other comments of this and I believe it to be true as same info I have also he had bad stomach from the incredible weight cut as he wasn’t training properly as rushed in to the fight and apparently when he farted and followed through a little in his shorts and obviously couldn’t say to ref I’ve shit myself he said no more and he got out quick as he could
I remember talking to an older friend of mine who was there that night in attendance. His personal theory was that Duran shit his pants and that’s why he quit. No one told him. This is what he came up with on his own and I thought it was crazy until now
@@JB-ue6lf It was even worse than that. Duran ate 6 steaks & a lot of fries, with many cups of broth to chase. He literally had diarrhea & as you stated, he started to let some out with gas. I defy anyone to continue in any capacity as the focal point of the world to continue with that running down their legs, & Duran, a very proud man, couldn't even tell that truth. Who would? And despite everything he had going against him in this fight, it was very close on all 3 cards at the time he had no other choice but to quit. This is the God's honest truth, & excuses aside, exactly what transpired & why he could never talk about it in all honesty, & never will.
@@thicknjustrite 3 steaks and orange juice doesn’t give you diarrhea 😂😂 you’re making excuses just like Duran now 😂
The last part was so stupid... "He was eating steak and drinking orange juice that can give you diarrhea" uhhhh I dare somebody to go eat 3 Steaks you gonna be plugged up! Kind of a pointless comment!
Panama Lewis said Duran had to take a huge shit. He said as soon as they got back to the dressing room, Duran exploded in the can. He had to take a big shit, was not in good condition and was probably feeling the effects of the 'shots' the Dr's were giving him to make him lose weight. I remember the Howard Cosell interview with Duran and his 'DR', after the 2nd fight. Duran was already looking pudgy, you can watch it on YT. Ray bought the Belt back, 100%.
Hermano NO MAS es NO MAS pero para mi Duran esta en los mejores 5 de todos los tiempos. Chaves se RAJO con Oscar en la segunda y por eso julio no deja de ser grande.
Chaves never quit!!
He got his Ass whooped, Sugar Ray could’ve came up with the bullshit excuse just face it Sugar Ray was the better fighter that night
The only way yo beat Duran at this Time and Leonard knew that, un good shape Is goback to hell.
At 4:44 it was nine years as opposed to seven and yes, Roberto was 38 by December of 1989 and appeared to want one more payday rather than be properly conditioned. At 4:47 Roberto was actually still 29 for the second fight. And I believe the story about diarrhea. That would have been too humiliating for him to continue. Not saying I condoned him quitting (that was unfathomable). He should have handled his training and diet with proper care. He spent the next 20 years erasing the shame of No Mas.
Duran's shame.....was gone after he beat Davey Moore and then fought a prime Hagler and almost took his Belt. Duran was a legend and it wiped away the 'no mas' debacle. Duran doesn't really care what others think, your shame theory doesn't hold water.
He never erased it. He was never the same again. Never trained as hard. Most of the time was just collecting a paycheck. All those fans from the 70s were bamboozled into thinking we were gonna see the fiery master but rarely did he ever deliver. He was just a shell going through the motions most of the time. The 3rd Leonard fight he stopped fighting before the bout was halfway through. Like he had an unspoken agreement with Leonard. He woke up when Leonard got cut late. But it was too little too late. Moore was a novice pro. Barkley was built for him.(but, I admit was a tremendous effort). Tainted legacy! It pissed me off! Shoulda NEVER happened!
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Nah. Duran was never the same after he beat Leonard, he was gifted all those money that he had never had before, so like anybody in poverty. He went all out. He started to f hoes, eat enormous amount of luxurious foods, and do whatever the hell he wanted. When the rematch finally happened, Duran was in a hazy, clenched ass-cheeks, and getting humilitated inside the ring. And that was when he quit. It wasn’t the No Mas fight that made Duran never the same, it was after he was gifted tons of money after his first fight with Leonard. This was when Duran redeemed himself and beat Davey Moore, who’s in his physical prime compared to Duran’s past years. He beat Iran Barkley, who you say is built for Duran… Which is dumb because this is the same exact guy who beat Hearns and is bigger than Duran. So instead of undermining Duran, (if you are) I suggest watching a few of his fights.
Fighting with a 6 week notice is not normal.
Is the glass half empty or half full....Yeah he looked bad at times, and it was tough watching him lose to Laing and Robbie Sims, 2 guys he would have literally murdered at 147, but beating Pipino Cuevas a guy who was world champion at age 18 and still in his mid 20s when he fought Roberto, THAT was a great accomplishment,
And as for Davey being a "novice", Moore knocked out Wilfredo Benitez in 2 rounds Charlie Weir in the 5th, Ayub Kalule who fought Ray Leonard for the belt was KOed in the 10th, and Davey was world champ at age 24, not bad for a novice.....
and Barkley beat Hearns "twice", and if thats a 12 round fight w/ Marvin, Duran wins that too, so cmon man, what are you really angry about?!
Didnt hear excuses from sugar ray 🤷🏾♂️
Duran QUIT...make all the excuses you want to try to rewrite history...he still said No Mas. Quitters never win.
Ray....why would anyone want to fight his biggest rival, when the rival wasn't at their best? Duran, a pure fighter with street smarts, never gave Ray the satisfaction of that 'win'. Ray even says it today, that the 2nd Duran fight is not a satisfying memory. Duran didn't give it to him and Ray knows he had to fight a lesser Duran, to 'win'. When they were both at their best, Duran wins. Ray cherry picked some more as he 'retired' a few times. Never fighting someone without having some sort of advantage. Tommy Hearns weighed in at 145, the morning of the fight, for their 1st fight. How does that happen? MONEY TALKS. I heard that Tommy was very upset about it, that was on Steward.
I agree! It doesn’t prove to yourself that you overcame your opponent. I understand gamesmanship, ring size, the weight of the gloves to gain an edge. But pushing to make the fight quickly and knowing he was partying and etc. In my opinion it would not give me satisfaction. Maybe it was a business decision. I don’t feel that victory should be celebrated as much as it is or at all.
Y’all sound dumb😂 they had the same 6 weeks to prepare. If his dumb ass went out partying and gain weight that’s on him. He knew he had a fight. What you do out of the ring is just important as what you do in the ring. And it’s not like he smoked him in the first fight. That could’ve went either way
Duran couldn't get to him and got annoyed and quit like a little baby. If he couldn't bully his opponent, he didn't want to play. He took his money and went home. He's one of the worst sportsman in the game. He isn't a gracious winner and he isn't a gracious loser. No class at all. In fact, he doesn't even deserve being called a sportsman.
& too much Fiber/ Laxatives, had to Duke. TRUTH.
Years ago around 1991 I was dating a young lady from Brooklyn and her cousins told me the reason Duran quit on Sugar ray was that Duran had an upset stomach and farted and diarrhea was streaming down his s cheeks. I was surprised because they knew this to be a very tight secret and knew the people involved with Duran. With all my respect to The legend Duran I have heard through the years that indeed he was having stomach problems and this sort of made sense.
So ur excuse for him quitting is he shit on himself? 😂🤣😂🤦♂️ god u fanboys are just to much sometimes
I heard same thing from someone very close
Duran looked like a raisin the second fight
The speed, style and athleticism of Sugar Ray in 2nd fight was best I have ever seen. I don't think it mattered what shape Duran came into that fight...that was Sugar Ray night.
No Sugar Ray only cared about his image and if he really wanted to be considered the best he would only have fought Duran straight up and both being in the best shape possible- he exploited Duran weakness for his own gain- nothing more
Their is no way Sugar Ray Leonard beats prime Duran.
Ray pushing for the rematch to be set quickly since he knew Duran was not gonna be ready is weak. It doesn’t prove to yourself that you overcame your opponent. I understand gamesmanship, ring size, the weight of the gloves to gain an edge. But pushing to make the fight quickly and knowing he was partying and etc. In my opinion it would not give me satisfaction. Maybe it was a business decision. I don’t feel that victory should be celebrated as much as it is or at all.
Duran shouldn’t have taken the fight, period. Not Leonard’s fault Duran took the fight, and not Leonard’s fault Duran QUIT. So tired of all the excuses constantly being made
Duran had the greatest trainer ever in Freddie Brown, but he wouldn't always listen to him.
Duran, as a latino, was hyped to have won 1. He was our central american hero. He was ripped off.
How was he ripped off?? I'm waiting.
They’re making excuses for Duran….
The best Boxer ever
Hell no
Agreed non boxers do not agree. I did not realize how great was until. I started boxing at 15 years. Remember he jumped up two weight classes to beat Sugar Ray Leonard.
All i hear is excuses
If we're to understand all of these comments;
1)Despite having made weightfor the fight...(!!!!!!!), it's Leonard's Fault if duran eat, drank, partied like crazy, And Leonard Planned to have the rematch so close to first one...Because he Knew that on the second fight he'd win by drawing circles around duran ..!!!
2) Not being able to catch Leonard, was Leonard's Fault because he refused to play the game of the first fight..( Where Leonard gave exactly as much if not Way More than he received...!!!!!)
3) duran during the first fight won on decision, yet in the eyes of all whites spectators and commentators, and sellout don kong, duran KOed Leonard at least 50 times during the fight...Poor duran was Obviously robbed and was Such a Classy guy (with comments on Leonard's wife, headbutting and elbowing during the fight; All Honorable traits and Worthy of a Great Champion that he was ..!!!)
You people are 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
1: Whats "White spectators/commentators" have to do with two "Brown Men" fighting?! .....Half of the Cats in Durans entourage were "Black" Afro-Panamanians, friends he grew up with from Robertos neighborhood...
As to their first fight, Ray did not dish out MORE than he received. He was rocked several times in that fight, not just that 2nd round and never once had Roberto in trouble....It was a great fight and closer than many say. I know because I saw it "Live" but the truth is what it is.
Even Ray admitted he was beaten and was obsessed on revenge as any real competitor would have been, and that his plan was to catch Duran outta shape. And no one at that time would have argued with you regarding Duran's psych tactics, which involved getting Ray upset by virtue of insulting Juanita.
Chill Bruh, Life's too short to get excited about people who dont know you and more than likely never will...Just sayin.
Out of shape 😂😂. Stop making excuses megos
So tired of the excuses being made. Let’s cover a few things here…
1. Duran knew when their next fight was, it’s not Sugar Rays fault. There was literally 5 months between both fights. Smh
2. Duran expected to give Leonard a beating but didn’t expect Leonard to move as much as he did. He got embarrassed and knew by the 7th round there was no way he was going to win the fight, so he QUIT.
3. Every time I turn around there’s a new excuse from someone else on why Duran quit. 🙄🙄🙄
Excuses, excuses...
what's Ray's excuse for bribing Duran's mgmt? what is Ray's excuse for wanting to fight his biggest rival, when he wasn't in top condition? Ray admits it himself, that this was his strategy....get up to speed.
@@blite13 Ray wanted his title back and he wanted to beat Duran. Duran had no legit excuse.
@@b1j1b1 what kind of champ wants to fight his rival when he wasn't at 100%. Ray has admitted multiple times, that he wanted an out of shape Duran because he was scared of a well prepared Duran. If you want to cheer for a guy like that, have at it, it shows your character.
@@blite13 enough of the excuses. Duran had every opportunity to prepare. What was Leonard supposed to do...hold the bag for him while Duran trained? It probably wasn't gonna matter anyway. Duran wasn't likely to ever beat Leonard again after the first fight. Well deserved win, no doubt, and arguably the greatest win ever. But I don't think Leonard would ever underestimate Duran - and try to beat him at his own game - again.
@@b1j1b1 Leonard had no choice but to fight Duran at close quarters. Duran's footspeed was just as fast as Ray's in Montreal. Ray tried to dance a couple times and Duran made him pay for it. Ray could run around in New Orleans because Duran didn't have the legs to chase him. THIS is why Ray wanted a less than 100% Duran. RAY ADMITS IT HIMSELF, why can't you?
Bottom line: Duran QUIT.
I'm not taking nothin away from the legend of srl ok, well maybe I am lol...but he is not the better fighter to Duran...Srl was where the money was...not Duran ! Srl was set up to win just as mentioned below here. Boxing like most high stakes money sports, it's crooked. Srl always seemed to get concessions...look how long he made hearns wait for a rematch...look how long it took for a 3rd match between he and Duran....look at the concessions he received against hagler. You wanna see talent and a man born to fight, go watch Duran defeat Barkley ! Srl never fought Barkley, woulda been very interesting indeed.
More excuses. He just got his ass whipped by a superior fighter. Ray Leonard before the retina tear is a greatest fighter in history.
Ohh c’mon …Excuses excuses . Not being in shape is no excuse . He knew he was genius beat. It was very close but I think surfer Ray won the first fight on points .
No way because he lost the early rounds Duran did more damage. He was stunning Ray a lot Ray would retreat.
Lmao excuses after excuses for Duran. If being the champ & staying the champ meant that much, stay in shape, or atleast stay more disciplined when not fighting
Anyways he is one of the greatest so don’t get mad
@@marquisgram9448 didn’t once say he wasn’t lol. You need a tampon g?
Cameron aint no excuse, duran beat him the first time, when he was coming off of fighter of the decade 70+ fights, ko artist with a hall of fame record, before he broke sugar rays teeth on live tv & he bullied SRL. SRL did embarrass him the second time around & he wasn’t bullying him he was dancing around . SRL even admitted to everything on live tv SRL is at least the truth, anyway duran fucked up the second time they’re different fighters. Just look at the record.
@@nessodap8409 not sure why you’re telling me all of this as if I’m not aware of this. Re read my comment again. Apart of being the champ is staying the champ & if you’re not disciplined to do that, that’s on you, not tryna hear any other excuses otherwise. Have fun & party whatever but if you’re not disciplined enough to not let it get the best of you & bot be able to get back in shape, that’s on YOU & you only. The art of war.
@@eddy562 well good thing people consider Duran better than Leonard anyways
That fight was set up for Leonard to regain the title without Ray they wouldn’t be that much money made Duran Hearn and Hagler would not generate that kind of money so yes that fight was set up for Ray to win
Fans forget that Boxing is not a clean sport lol...here you had Don King involved...the populance loved srv over duran and that's where the money was ! I'll tell you this, Duran was the better fighter between the two.
@@anz2441 boxing is a business not a sport that’s been going on since the beginning of boxing
@@anz2441 It’s kind of funny before the second fight his money was already in the bank in Panama the Louisiana state athletic commission trade to hold Duran money they couldn’t because it was already in the bank in Panama Don King Carlos and Duran knew exactly what was going to happen that night you can Google it and find out
@@anz2441 Duran walked away with 10 million big ones
@@charlesrazo7246 but he quit
Stay ready so you don’t have to get ready. No excuses is why Mayweather is the best ever.
Facts
He's gotta be. At least in our generation. Say what you want about him but the guy did everything correctly to maximize wins and minimize losses inside and out of the ring. I'm not even a Mayweather fan
@@Spencer900 I saw a video about Floyd jogging home from the club after partying. They said he didn’t even drink or smoke but he still would jog. I’m just saying man.
Okay enough with the excuses... Sugar Ray is better
Duran is and was better than sugar Ray. He beat him the first match. Then second match Roberto didn’t want that rematch that early, he wasn’t ready or training, he wasn’t hungry anymore, he wasn’t mad anymore, and that’s why he quit. Rather than losing to a guy he knows he’s better than
Leanard bought the belt from duran. Duran didn’t want to let that type of money go. So he took the match even tho he wasn’t ready or in shape. Instead of losing to ray as he was paid to lose. Duran said nope I am not guna make myself look weak infront of everyone when he knows he’s better than Ray. So he just quit. That made him look worse tho which he found out later. Boxing is a dirty business and rigged and crooked just like american government. But at the end of the day Duran is better than ray obviously
This is what ray wanted to do. Lie to himself and trick the naive dumb public into thinking he can beat Duran. When leanard knows he cannot. Durand team stabbed Duran in the back by signing the match behind his back and pocketed $2mill even tho they knew Duran was not ready. Boxing is a shady business. Duran didn’t even agree to the rematch but had no choice. He would lose his belt and the money. So he took it by force
Duran was great. Leonard was better. This is just a bunch of BS excuses to cover for Duran. He got his ass whipped by the better man that night. Do you have another excuse for the 3rd fight as well?