I have seen more integrity from the black TH-camrs on this than any other reporting source. You guys are truly awesome. Thank you for being men of substance in a time where few can be found.
The black TH-camrs are literally changing the country in all aspects. It's like some Renaissance going on or something. Lol
Too bad the WNBA doesn't have that integrity. Now prove it and hold the NBA accountable for their association with racism and we'll talk. Easy to pretend when you still get the paycheck. Put your money where your mouth is.
If the Ref's make $425 per game in the WNBA, they are overpaid as they can't make correct calls.
Eye gouge. "What? I didn't see anything even though I was watching the play as it happened. I don't know why she's on the floor writhing in pain covering her eye?"
That's $17,000 for 40 games. I'd bump it u to $1000 per game, and $2,000 if the ref is 'good enough' to officiate the playoffs w/o bias. That's not bad money for a part time job.The refs shouldn't have to be paid not to cheat...or gamble/.
Refs subsidizing their pay by gambling and fixing the spread.
People had big bets on CC to win. So, if CC loses, someone makes bigger money. Those refs got paid extra to "help" CC lose.
@@Post-Trib It needs to be investigated to see if it is true! The "signs" are there. And if you follow normal crime logic, where there is both motive and opening, there are reasons to suspect foul play.
Motivation: Earn a lot of money (greed),
Opening: Way too easy to do and literally no overwatch/control system.
The WNBA has made it really clear they do not want any new fans watching their games, so I'm not till CC plays next year.
Then you’re gonna line up to give them money for anti white race hate again, right? Wow. You’re really taking a stand
@gosha7673 those are AI fake TH-cam videos Man. I'm sure she'll be back for at least one more season
C'mon, topgun2943! You really didn't watch Game 1 of the Liberty v. Lynx? The second best pro sports game I have ever watched. The largest comeback in WNBA playoff finals history. It was exciting to watch. It is a close second to me as the all time most exciting sports game I've watched on TV or streaming. The one that holds #1 for me was watching the 1972 Miami Dolphins win the Super Bowl and cap off their 1972 undefeated season. Yeah, I'm dating myself.
Bring in new educated refs who are not tied to anyteam !
Most of the bedding handle was behind Caitlin Clark and the Indiana fever. That makes for tempting odds for corrupt referees to make sure she loses.
When watching the games I couldn’t believe the bad reffing I was shocked .
I would say there was a lot of neglected refereeing pertaining to CC. The amount of uncalled fouls on her were mind boggling.
@@kevinreynolds3992 I agree. Especially the hard fouls right in front of the refs. Ridiculous.
The ref’s are the reason I don’t watch the NFL. Nothing the ref’s do surprises me.
I’m 72 and grew up playing ball in the 60’s. I watched Clark’s games because it was movement and flow basketball. She has phenomenal court awareness that gets her entire team involved. She is the maestro that orchestrates the symphony of her team. Her Seth Curry like shots brings an excitement to every game and spreads the floor allowing for the movement of the ball. I am not watching because the referees are either corrupt and on the take or just completely incompetent. The rules of the game are taught and enforced at every level but not in the WNBA. Some of the thuggish behavior directed at her she of resulted in heavy fines and termination. The Commissioner’s office is incompetent. Adam Silver needs to clean that mess out of existence. So if you want me to watch call it like a real basketball game not a thug fest enabled by incompetent referees.
Every week, every game the NFL reviews every play. Calls, no calls, bad calls. And while never revealed to the public, some refs have been fined for poor officiating.
Seriously, those officiating the WNBA could not hold up to that level of scrutiny.
it's obvious the wnba doesn't require vision testing in the referee hiring process.
I'm on the fence with Sides but leaning towards the fact that I do not think Sides can handle coaching someone of CC's caliber.
I think you have no idea.
Sides played golf with CC22 all year and got her to change her game to get better.
If CC did not respect her they would not be hanging out.
FACT.
@@Retrohairstylist your not real bright. In fact your just a dum8 troll.
No rush! I'll wait for our Star Caitlin Clark.
All I know at times it was like 5vs8 during games and was sickening.
$180,000 per year. I'd take that for working half the year for 2 hours per game
Exactly. There should be no comparison to what the refs make at the NBA, when that league is making 10 Billion and the WNBA loses 10 million yearly.
That’s not including the under the table money they get from the commissioner too!😊
That’s a very good salary. The vast majority of Americans do not make that much money.
No chance 450 a game gets you to 180 g's. Info got twisted on that i think
Regardless they signed up to be a refs and they have a job to do, does not give them the right to call the game the way they want to. If you don’t like the pay then why did you sign up to be a ref. There action for doing what they did to CC could have ended CC career
Refs should be fined for missed calls accountability its important when your a professional it sets the standard which brings good sportsmanship
Hi from Australia
That shouldn't stop them from doing the job.
WNBA ref make 4500 a game while rookie NBA ref make 3100 a game. 180,000 a year for a WNBA ref is pretty good money.
Thank you. This is all because, of Caitlin Clark. They will do everything to diminish her part in all this. But we all know the truth. Watch when she starts playing golf. Can’t wait to see how they welcome her. #TeamCaitlinClark 😌🙏🏽❤️👩🏻⛳️🏀🌟🕊️
The refs were clearly in on the hazing early in the season and looked the other way as CC was getting mauled. On one layup the Seattle player smashed her in the head, knocked her to the floor and no foul was even called, unreal! No wonder she was so discouraged .
I know for a fact that many people are watching the finals because the Suns and Aces were eliminated.
If the refs want more money then they logically should be keeping CC safe and untouched, if she carries on the league will grow, and they would make more money.
The refs are being told what to call in each game. It's a bush league from top to bottom
*Replace coach Sides with Larry Bird!*
Oh my goodness, from your keyboard to the basketball God’s ear. Can you imagine. Larry coaching Baby Bird.
I watched some of last night’s game because I knew it would be decent basketball but my goodness the refs ruined most of it. Still trying to give some of these players a chance so it’s not like I’m not trying
I commented that the uptick of viewership after Clark’s team exited the playoffs is due to old fans like me returning due to Clark and news fans due to Clark and still sticking around to see what else the league got to offer.
$425 divided into $180,000 comes out to 424 games per season. Something is not accurate here.
@@jerripriebe735I think he misread it's actually 4,250 which will make it 42 or 43 games.
The WNBA is unwatchable. There are individual players who are both athletic and skilled. Most however are stiff, awkward and in some cases clumsy. It’s a league of bricks, airballs, awkward shooting motions, fumbled passes, stiff legged drives, missed layups, clumsy fouls, shot clock violations etc. etc. I took a former college player friend to the Fever Mystics game. He said it was the worst basketball game he’d ever seen. The so-called exciting finish to the Liberty Lynx game was due to a cascade of brick shots and ugly turnovers. It appropriately ended on the shot the WNBA has made famous, a blown layup. The NBA is back. There is no reason to watch this crap.
The big bets are no longer placed on the actual game scores or the point spreads. I heard the big money was being placed on how many missed calls Caitlin had to endure.
If this is true, all referees should be fired and replaced with honest referees.
Yep, it was due to the Caitlin Clark effect.
YT hid your reply.
I had to choose a different option to see it.
Sorry, 1M views is pathetically bad for a final. The last Fever game got like twice that. As for the ref's, they said $425 per game or $180K. IF a ref works 40 games that is only $17K, so where does the $180K come from?
The population of the United States is 345,427,000. So 1.4M÷345.427M=0.004% of the population of the United States of America watched game 1 of the WNBA finals. The Yankees vs the Royals had 3,225M last night DOUBLING the NY Liberty vs the Lynx. I can't believe that the Yankees # weren't higher. Can't find TNF # because it was on Amazon.
@@Deploracle Because of some of Caitlin's fans still watching anyway.
The $425 per game was for the WNBA and the $180 K is for the NBA referees.
If the WNBA was smart they would have her there either to interview players before the game or join in on the commentary for a few.
We are new Fans Of CC and her Team !
The refs make more than most of the players in the league! Sorry that is no excuse!
Referees are being paid off to not blow whistle & turn the other way when fouls are made. Money talks. Accountability. Integrity. Fairness needs to be priority. Fans can only stomach this lack of professionalism for so long!
I was so BORED watchin the old WNBA, they put me to sleep. I saw Caitlin Clark years an years after giving up on women's ball and caught Indiana Fever and #22 on you tube shorts. I checked an saw her game and could not stop watching. She brought me back to the game and I am a Diehard Indiana fan, Caitlin is the player who reminded me why I loved basketball. I quit when the Fever walked off the court last game...disgusted by the season and these thuggish gaytards and the dirty way they play ball.
The referees aren't fixing games, the league is!
CC effect 👍🏾
I suspect that if the Aces or the Sun had made it into the Finals, there would not have been a million viewers in that first game....
Refs should get paid according to the accuracy of their calls...the better they call, the more they get bunusses...if they suck, dock their pay.
The better they call, the more opportunities for high profile games they get.
If they keep blowing calls...send em packing to go work at SubWay
Arrest the players and officials, assaulters and condoners, fan's don't want to see criminals. Even,( they don't train hard enough) if they had any skill, you won't see the fan's or their money.
Congratulations JTL🎉 Nice to see your Subscribers numbers going up💯🙏You deserve it bro🤙🏾
WNBA Leadership should review Ref performance and penalize/terminate their services accordingly.
Two games a day is $900.00. I do not know a single person who would pass up a ref job.
The WNBA messed up really bad! What were they thinking? The only reason I watched the WNBA was because of Clark, I'd never heard of any of the others.
The three games I saw (i didn't hear about her till the end of the season) were incredible, she was on fire. All I saw or heard was a bunch of jealous women who couldn't see the big picture. Go Caitlin!!
$28M over 8 years is nothing compared to what she’s done for this league! The refs are getting plenty of under the table money from the commissioner!
And Stewie chocking is ok... we all have bad days. She gets a LOT of slack from me for being this good and ballin' instead of drama-ing. Go girl!
Dam that’s $424 an hour. Pretty dam good money
Keep up the “Liquidator Express” Jon; keep rock’in the real deal.
Looking good dude
180,000 dollars a year! Sounds pretty good to me!
As a starter in all 40 of Indiana’s regular-season games, Clark averaged 19.2 points, a WNBA-high 8.4 assists, 5.7 rebounds, 1.33 steals and 35.4 minutes, leading rookies in all five of those per-game categories except rebounding (third). In addition to posting the fifth-highest single-season assists average in WNBA history, Clark ranked seventh in the league in points, 18th in rebounds, 15th in steals and second in minutes per game. She also had the second-highest free throw percentage in the WNBA (90.6%).
Clark set a WNBA single-season record with 337 assists. She also established WNBA single-season rookie records of 769 points and 122 three-pointers made. Clark led the league in three-pointers made and finished six behind the WNBA single-season record of 128 set by New York Liberty guard Sabrina Ionescu last season.
A starter for Team WNBA in the 2024 AT&T WNBA All-Star Game, Clark was named the Kia WNBA Eastern Conference Player of the Month for August, the WNBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week three consecutive times (Weeks 9, 10 and 11) and the Kia WNBA Rookie of the Month four times (May, July, August and September).
Behind Clark and fellow 2024 WNBA All-Stars Boston and Kelsey Mitchell, the Fever (20-20) earned a playoff spot for the first time since 2016 and improved its win total by seven games over last season (13-27).
Below are additional highlights of Clark’s 2024 regular season:
Recorded the first two triple-doubles by a rookie in WNBA history - 19 points, 12 rebounds and 13 assists against New York on July 6; and 24 points, 10 rebounds and 10 assists against the Los Angeles Sparks on Sept. 4.
Set a WNBA single-game record with 19 assists against the Dallas Wings on July 17.
Became the first WNBA rookie to have at least 30 points and 10 assists in a game (31 points and 12 assists against Chicago on Aug. 30).
Posted 14 games with at least 20 points, five rebounds and five assists and eight games with at least 20 points and 10 assists - both WNBA single-season highs.
Averaged 24.7 points and 9.3 assists in her first 10 games after the Paris Olympics break - an 8-2 stretch for Indiana that featured its first five-game winning streak since 2015.
Perfect audio on this one Jon , great vid😊
Bad officials are why I’m not watching the WNBA slop.
JTL - Do the math. $180,000 ÷ $425 = 423 games. That doesn't corelate. The season is 4 months and 40 games per team. The league doesn't play 7 days a week. But according to your numbers they are reffing 4 games a day 7 days a week which is impossible.
Bad info JTL.
I am one of them, you are largely correct. And I am white.
Sounds like a lot of money to me and considering they are not doing their job they are making money they haven’t earned. If they expect Caitlin to PAY them to do their job, it sounds like a shakedown to me.
Odd I never hear a WNBA player talking about how under paid a ref is .. the WNBA is an embarrassment of a league.. the league allowed every bad call the league is in charge of ref pay .. it's top down embarrassment
That shouldn’t stop them for doing their job !!! If you can’t do your job well , let someone else to do it !!
CC has everyone getting paper if they all come together and act accordingly. I saw that the WNBA will have a 7 game series,the other teams can see their team play at home in a Championship games. The WNBA will get the Referees paid,the arenas the games are played in will make money. Wow there is money money money everywhere if the jocks stop being so freaking jealous of Caitlin Clark. The Refs could also benefit and get paid come in the WNBA.You need to get better Refs in the WNBA WHO make calls correctly. Everyone could benefit from the WNBA if you stop trying to harm your Golden Humble Goose. “I SAID WHAT I SAID “
GREAT COMMENTARY JTL.
I thought she joined league in EUROPE. Someone is telling us lies here. I really want to hear from Caitlin herself.
Only trust when you could see a real person in the video like John. Lol. Most of these videos are fake and and everybody still uses clickbait so you just got to use common sense.
You're right on bro Jon. Keep up the great reporting.
I still believe the reason why the referees were hating on Clark is because the commissioner was allowing it. The commissioner could have stopped this BS
can't see that reading , this will add to my life. !!!!
1:35 if Clark was there the viewership would’ve probably been double that. I did not watch the finals. Haven’t wanted any of the playoffs after CC went out. Haven’t even watched highlights.
$425 is $100+ per hour!!
The Caitlin Clark affect is why the viewership is improved.
Nah. $180k is more than the players. But there’s something there with shady refs
There is even more to the ref performance story. I don't know what it is but what we saw was incompetence.
There has to be money flowing to them --you can’t be that bad without intent.
Off the top and before I give this a listen I just want to say that the million or so still watching the WNBA are the residue Clark left in her wake and the league should feel grateful she did.
I watched, first game I’ve watched since Fever lost. Only because I like both squads. But I wasn’t watching the Aces or the Suns.
Clark brought me here But The refs is why I'm not watching anymore this season. Terrible flow to game is unwatchable.
$425 for 2 hours of work?? It doesn’t matter if it was only $25 hour you agreed to do the job you should do the job correctly no matter what you are getting paid
Not to mention that they only work 4months for that money
If they agrre to work for that....then they should do the job to the best ability! Actually we could all say we're underpaid and be petty....right?
Thumbs up for the voice crack!! Good one Jon!
Hope Caitlin is in the gym as we speak doing what Michael did facing the Detroit Pistons and their brutal way to play.
I think that it is more likely that the Referees affinity for carpet that Caitlin does not share and she does not get a melanin pass.
If the WNBA refs are making $425 per game, and there are 44 games in the regular season, that works out to $18,700 per season, plus whatever playoff games they work.
They need to be paid a hell of a lot more. It needs to be a job that everybody wants. Only then can they enforce serious standards. I don't think they should get the $7,000 per game the NBA refs get, but pay them 2 or 3 grand per game, the base salary goes up to $88,000 to $132,000 per year. If you pay someone those kinds of wages for only half a year's work, you can expect them to be professionals. If they can't do their jobs well, there are thousands of people who would gladly take their place.
Imagine being a ref and acting like a WNBA player who thinks they are the reason people go to games….CC is the Golden Goose… pride comes before the fail
this was my first time paying any attention to the W, only here because of CC. How have the refs been in previous years. I saw that flagrant they gave to CC over hitting the padding, Taurasi did the same thing right Infront of the same ref in another game and wasn't called for anything.
No it means good refs won’t work for $500 per
Minimum $425 per game up to $180,000 per year for "experienced" officials. Considering that many of the games I watched fell within the point spread it's possible that the referees were supplementing their pay in much more profitable ways.
So the wnba is bragging about numbers of a finals game, when the fever had bigger viewership numbers during regular season games lol.
Facts
The referees are getting overpaid for the job they’re doing
It doesn’t matter. They do need to survive, as an adjacent to CC, not without, not in spite of… ☑️👌😎 JP
Hey Jon research I did this a little while ago. They don’t always have a game so sometimes they have to skip a game. They might only have three games a week at $425 a game so they don’t work a full week. That means they have to have another job. I would say it all goes back to Cathy Engelbert it’s time now since Caitlin has come into the league it’s time for a bit of an adjustment. It needs to be totally restructured. In fact, the whole WNBA league system needs changed out. I realize the players will not reach the plateau of pay scale that they really want even though they’re negotiating it they’re $50 million in the hole. They need to take and pay back the NBA get that paid off and it won’t take long with these sellout crowds that Caitlin in need to take and have a better marketing team for the WNBA this thing is all out of whack and it’s been left. Go for 20 years. It’s time now to re-organize the whole WNBA from the refs on Down the NBA refs I believe I’m not sure but I believe they get 250,000- 500,000 a year big first year starters for the NBA get $600 a year senior men gets $7000 a game, a huge difference that’s per game difference. I think it’s time not saying that the WNBA can afford to pay their guys that but they could afford to pay them at least $1000 a game. They’re taking enough in sales and if they get the right marketing people and people that takes does the advertising and everything and get promote these teams, they shouldn’t have a problem it just took Caitlin to jumpstart the attendance for the games and the revenue would start coming back. You are spot on they just need to re-structure it. They need to restructure the whole WNBA marketing and all it would then bring the revenue up now that Caitlin in.
They play 42 or 43 games a year man. Add a zero, I think the guy misread the number.
If refs make 185,000 a year then no way they make 450$ per game. At 40 games per season at 450 it would be 17,000 dollars. Somebody's math is wrong
Bro, that means they make $100 per hour 🤦🏾♂️
The referees were horrible, they aren't worth minimum wage.
they are selling games
True the refs should make more but to not officiate honestly, correctly, they should be fired
The refs in the wnba should be fined $200 foolish calls such as slapping the basket padding or missing Obvious fouls
The way the ref's call a game, to me they are over pay. Las Vegas are paying them off.
I stopped watching because of the officiating. WNBA needs to get better caliber refs and pay them accordingly!
If the WNBA doesn’t do something with their refs , like fire all of them ! And the thugs who praise each other for knocking CC all around the court . They can do anything they want with coaches and administrators looking the other way . If they don’t they will loose fans . Who will only watch CC games ! They should be ashamed of themselves for acting like CC ‘s only job was to make them money ! No matter what other players and refs treated her .
CC22 fans that wanted to watch DEI-free female basketball without Aces and Suns drama brought those numbers up. 😂😂
Dump WNBA Commissioner Cathy Engelbert