I realize now, in my 60s, that my father's habit of tinkering with and/or washing his car in the driveway was one way to place himself just outside the front door when I was a teen. He'd take one look at me and send me back up to "find some clothes" if my skirt was too short or my pants were too tight. I never refused to find something else or snuck a mini skirt out to change into. I respected my father too much. So much has changed since the 1970s! Girls who didn't have this kind of feedback in my generation, in general, got themselves in one kind of trouble or another.
My father in law did the same thing to my wife and I thank God he did. I have never had an issue with how she dressed in public because she dresses modestly. Normal clothes, just not having everything out. I owe that man one. Also she loves her dad so it’s not like she’s been abused or something crazy. It’s weird as a dad I think I would feel uncomfortable telling my daughter to wear something more modest but in her dads day it was just what you did.
In Australia as a teen in the 80s one of my grandmother's used to make us stand in front of a window and tell us to put a petticoat on. We lived near the beach and what she saw as immodest was actually a modesty my generation had adopted. Pre adolescent girls and adult women simply walked to the beach in their bathers. But we decided this was immodest and we wore sheer cotton dresses over them except when in the actual water. Fortunately mini dresses etc were not a thing when my girls were young. And when girls did wear short skirts for sports etc it was usual to wear bloomer type underwear that reached down to your upper thighs. They're still available all the little girls at my grand daughters kindergarten wear them. It means they can still wear the school skirt, but four year old girls don't always remember to sit modestly.
@@awsambdamanIt's your wife's job now. When she takes your daughter shopping, she can encourage your daughter to try on elegant clothes and can praise how well she looks in them. I actually used to do this for a living in a round about way. I used to run a home for girls who for whatever reason couldn't live at home and were aged between 10 and 15. One of the first things I used to do for each girl was to take her shopping for a new out fit.
Unfortunately we’ve gotten to the point where not only do the younger ones not realize what they’re doing, their parents see no issue with revealing half shirts and shorts that leave nothing to the imagination either. What I would call “light pornography” is now being baked into popular culture. There was recently a story in which a mother of 2 private school students (at a Christian school) advertised her Only Fans account on the rear window of the family car. As a result, the students were withdrawn from the school after the mother was given the opportunity to remove the advertisement or drop her kids off at an adjacent location. The mother declined this reasonable request. As a dad, I can’t imagine what potential impact this could have on kids. So yes, we now have the blind leading the blind in many cases. Very sad
Crazy thing is that although schools say skirts have to be knee length you can't (or at least a few years ago you couldn't) buy school uniform skirts that long - they are all mini skirts
Also one of the reasons I vehemently hated school uniform as a schoolgirl was how short and impractical they were. Nasty polyester material made me so itchy. Knee length was (and is) still too short for me. For me the most psychologically and physically comfortable is loose mid-calf skirt/dress. In primary school boys up skirted girls routinely and nothing was done about it coz obviously you should be soooo happy that boys like you! They just express their feelings this way! Another reason I am glad I am not a child in school anymore 😅. Good to be able to wear clothing you feel comfortable in every day! P.S. I went to school in an Eastern European country, not the UK.
@@hollythebordercollie2257 my impression is the whole cheerleader culture is super creepy. When I first learned that's a thing in the US I was horrified. It's so horribly objectifying and it teaches young boys that's ok to look at girls in such outfits.
Sarah Ruden is a classical scholar and a Christian. She wrote a great book about the early church in Rome. Respectable Roman women wore a veil in public while prostitutes didn't. It was how they differentiated between respectable married women and sex workers. Women who wore a veil were off-limits. Rome was a depraved place, attractive young boys required chaperones because they could be raped in the streets. The early Christians required that all women wear a veil in church to break down class barriers.
I'm a guy and to put it one way we evaluate women by their willingness to say no to us and draw firm boundaries. Dressing modest is a way of doing that. It's a status signal and a way of displaying dominance in my experience (in the west at any rate).
men and women are the same in this regard they say they like something and act opposite when it comes to dating the preference of one sex shapes the other sex men say they prefer natural women and condemn women with cosmetic surgeries but what we have is the explosion of cosmic surgery worldwide the same goes for women when they say all matters for them is kindness but men still had to compete within rigid boundries
Hi, I am Muslim and it's in our religion to cover our hair. Obviously it is between God and the individual and should never be forced, but it's in our holy book that the hair of a women is considered private. This can also be found in orthodox Christian and Jewish traditions. The face covering is NOT mandatory, and I think people should know that the Taliban does NOT represent Islam at all. Much peace and one love ❤️
The answer depends on what kind of man you want to attract: - long term partnership/marriage with a good man: modest - to hook up with short term man: not modest - attention of low value men: not modest Agreed that the standard of men has decreased too so there are more low value men and short term relationship men. So it is even more important to dress modestly nowadays.
Of Course! Like outrunning the man next to you to not get eaten by a lion, girls should always be taught to pitch down relative to their local average & leave the house with an adaptable outfit that gives them adjustability for safety. [Has 5 sisters, expecting my 5th daughter, (no sons, 2 brother, 1 brother-in-law) living in super diverse London borough].
@@spiff1 Fathers call it: the remaining option. Brfore feminism my brothers & our mannerbund would have quickly sorted things. Male femenists, no matter how cynical or genuine in sentiment are the worst in effect.
I think Louise takes a very wise position here. What I find deeply frustrating is the position I hear from many feminists, and have myself in argument against too many times, that modesty is somehow victim-blaming, and that women are not at all responsible for the way they dress, and that any attempt to impose any kind of standard is giving men permission to engage in SA. This often comes up in discussions of school uniforms, and feminists will take the absurd position that if girls want to come to school dressed in "porn costumes" then that's their prerogative and if its distracting to boys, that's the boys fault. The reality is that you very well can train teenage boys to have no sexual response to their scantily clad female peers...but what you're actually training them to do is suppress their sexuality to a dangerous degree. We need to find a line somewhere between burqas for women and training teenage boys to have zero sexual response to obvious sexual stimuli. Neither is healthy.
If uniforms were all it takes to prevent boys from having perverted ideas, school uniform fetishists would not exist. I often joke "What did making uniforms more common than not in the world's most openly perverted country." Well, I guess the benefit of open pervertedness is people not stuffing it down until it ferments or explodes into something worse.
@@skylinefever Those fetishes are typically for clothes that show parts of the body(short or very tight) You wouldn't find people fetishizing a very wide covering of the body where you only see the hands and the face for example.
On what basis do you judge the burga as unhealthy? On practicality? You know for the people who wear it, they only wear it when they are with other men, right? So wouldn't an additional solution that makes things easier be to have separate schools for each gender?
@@wolfofthewest8019 But what is the extreme, though? Can't one argue that the extreme is women not ever going out? So a burga wouldn't be an extreme then. Also, I believe whatever that is best isn't extreme For example, you probably think children at least shouldn't drink alcohol, but what if someone says that is extreme and it is better if they have a small amount because moderation is better? You will say that isn't moderation because moderation should be good, and drinking alcohol is very dangerous. So the same point applies here,whether the burga is extreme or not depends on whether it is good or not, whether it is beneficial or not.
@@skylinefever Odd how it's the wing of politics ostensibly most concerned about 'toxic masculinity' who are also the most keen to import unlimited numbers of the most toxic men.
@@jenniferlawrence2701 It's the mega corpos demanding line go up no matter the cost. What do they care what damage their imports do? They will be on their yachts smoking cigars
@@jenniferlawrence2701 The megacorps probably have great PR. They spun the idea that letting in masses "To pursue a better life" is an act of philanthropy.
Putting the SA issue aside, I'm concerned by the levels of vanity and egotism that are encouraged as standard for both women and men these days. Certainly social media has a lot to do with it. We've never been as image-conscious before as a society as we are now. It doesn't seem healthy. If there is an expectation that people's bodies are to be always on display in public, then people will inevitably become hyper-focused on how their body appears (even more so than they already were). The young girl growing up is going to be extra-aware of how her body appears in the particularly revealing clothing now in fashion compared to those of other girls, and how their body will look on social media in particular. Not surprisingly we see young women (and men) suffering from a rash of anxiety problems and body-image disorders, and feeling pressure to have surgeries or use chemical fillers, etc... Another reason why it would be great if kids could reach adulthood without the influence of social media and smart phones.
these are completely normal queues of a civilization in decline, its so accurate you can set your watch to it, along with elevating chefs (cuisine) to god status and several other signs, i believe the clock says 150 years or there about What is incredible is this applies to every race, arabs, chinese , etc, the same things happen regardless of ethnicity which i find far more fascinating.
Women that wear chador in Iran, or cover the face in the Gulf countries, or that wear burqa in Afghanistan, have grown up with it since they were children. I was in Mashhad, NE Iran, at the mausoleum of the eighth Imam, and saw a little girl very proudly putting on her first chador. They handle it like a second skin. That said, trying to adapt face covering to a society that has almost no women-only spaces means that a woman will have to make a fundamental lifestyle change, and often they make that decision to commit themselves to that. Face covering is not unique to Islamic culture. Japanese aristocratic women used to hide their faces with fans when they went out. It is even said that in the past in Islamic cultures, it was recommended for handsome men also to veil their faces.
The other thing to note is the male sexual over-perception bias. It's the tendency of men to falsely infer sexual interest when a woman is dressed provocatively. And this male bias is particularly strong for physically attractive women. So imagine a scantily clad, pretty young girl in her prime of fertility walking in front of men of all ages, arousing them. Not to mention that men from their teens to their 40s think about sex all the time and some of them are unable to control their sexual impulses so they will act upon them.
"walking in front of men of all ages, arousing them" Yeah, but you see, feminists argue that if men are aroused by women, first of all that's gross and misogynistic, but more importantly, it's the fault/problem of men. Men need to always control their eyes and brains and completely desexualize both women and themselves, through sheer will. Feminists basically argue that there should be no connection between strong visual stimuli and a response from the observer. Women need to be liberated sexually, but men must behave like devout Medieval monks.
I do believe that girls also dress immodestly to showcase their attractiveness to others. It's a kind of status play. I'm saying this as a woman who liked to go out sometimes dressed in a certain way just because I enjoyed feeling the most attractive of all
I think you are absolutely right. I know for a fact that I had no idea how boys would have seen me in my miniskirts.. (Yes. I'm THAT old.). I think I have mostly always dressed to impress other girls and women.. I was surprised when, a dozen years ago, my husband said he absolutely would have found that very distracting.. One of the things that's interesting about the trans issue is listening to the effect of testosterone on emotion and libido.. We all know that males have to learn to behave properly, but I never understood how much effort might be involved in that until recently..
Regarding covering within Islam- it’s favoured by a lot of women who convert to Islam because they have been sexualised and judged by both men and women for the way they look , since childhood and covering gives the woman the control back. There’s advantages to covering for all ages- imagine covering up so that nobody notices every new grey hair, or chest wrinkle- not bad.
Homa Nategh was a history proffessor in iran an intellectual who used equal rights provided by pahlavi dynasty to achive high status for herself when khomeini passed compulsory hijab law and all women revolt against it she ruined their protest and humilated them and told them womens problem is not to dress up themselves as dolls we have to fight pahlavi imperialism even if khomeini forces us to cover ourselves with blankets later years when she was convicted to hanging by khomeini she left iran and said i betrayed women "i was naive i didn't think those who tell me how should i dress later will tell me how should i think " she and 4 generations after her paid high price for the lesson they learned
Very good observation. It's one thing when a woman decides to dress modestly on her own, and because she has a positive image of herself and of social relationships around her so she herself wants to go toward that positivity, and another if she's forced to dressed modestly because others' image of femininity is that it's evil temptress who has to be subdued by legal force. There's nothing wrong with modest clothing, in fact it's better and more appropriate for the woman's innate dignity and true beauty than revealing clothes, but everything is wrong with wanting to control and impose it on women. The former sees the innate woman's worth and thus modesty is a positive thing that is to showcase the beauty, while the former is seeing women negatively, not is dignified and beautiful, but as wrong temptresses, which typically is a projection form uncontrolled men's lust.
@@joane24 i dont have problem with women dress modetly even wearing burqa but i dont thing dress can determine dignity and moral worth i have problem with this thinking a woman can say i feel bad when men look at me i feel i have no dignity when men look at me but can not say another woman has the same feeling as me and therefor she also feel bad when men lust after her but she is so careless or ignorant that can't protect harself therefore big sister or matriarch need to enforce her superior wisdom to these naive women no law stops women from dressing modestly its quite opposite title of video is not why i dress modesty why i like modesty it is should women dress modesty and she used picture of women who are completely covered she can wear what she likes can force her daughter till certain age what to wear but other women are not her teenage girl and she is not their mother there are hell of a lot of women smarter and thougher than her that are not haunted by their memories of misfortune and dont need to push other women into chastity. the whining about modesty is all about making other women dress the way they dont want otherwise why they have to make videos about something they can do louise always dress modest if it was about her individual choice she didnt need to cry it out or philosophise about it its about making decision for other women if not by law at least by degrading them or draging them down (slut shaming which she considers it useful)
@joane24 i have no problem if a women dress modestly or wear burqa and i dont consider her someone with more dignity cause i think human being have essential dignity we even consider criminals worthy of some level of dignity i dont know how dress can give people dignity its like treating a men with cheap clothes worse than a man with luxury coat probably lots of people will do this but that does not make it good or acceptable if something is in a specific way does not mean it ought to stay that way or is moral but since people dont want to acknolwdge their bias or unconcious motives their prefer to rationalise their bias certainly louise dosnt have a problem dressing modestly since she dress that way everywhere her problem has far bigger scale she wants to tell women what to wear her title is not about herself is about how women should dress with a photo of women who are compeletly covered with plain and same dresses which is nice photo since she always emphasis on need of communities and vices of individualism and goodness of collective living and everybody get involve in your personal bussiness or put it simply everybody having the same lifestyle and values like the uniform dress of women in her beckground she can dress the way she wants she can force her daughter dress the way she wants until certain age by considering she is wiser than her own young daughter but she iscnot wiser than other adult women there are hell of a lot of women even younger then her who are so much stronger than her and are not hypertraumatized by their misfortune with men and certainly do not need help of women like louise and harrington who are hypersensitve and neurotic who need to protected from male gaze louise need a modest society because it takes two hands to clap she alone can not reject sexual revolution by not sleeping with men she have to make other women do the same so she wants to make other women to dress like her live like her and think like her if not by legal force at least she can do it by cultural forces like degrading or bringing other women down like slut shaming which she considers feminsit and useful by this logic islam is hell of a feminism and louise should not worry about muslims higher fertiltiy because future js gonna be full of feminjst like her "burqa is empowering "
@@joane24 @joane24 i have no problem if a women dress modestly or wear burqa and i dont consider her someone with more dignity cause i think human being have essential dignity we even consider criminals worthy of some level of dignity i dont know how dress can give people dignity its like treating a men with cheap clothes worse than a man with luxury coat probably lots of people will do this but that does not make it good or acceptable if something is in a specific way does not mean it ought to stay that way or is moral but since people dont want to acknolwdge their bias or unconcious motives their prefer to rationalise their bias certainly louise dosnt have a problem dressing modestly since she dress that way everywhere her problem has far bigger scale she wants to tell women what to wear her title is not about herself is about how women should dress with a photo of women who are compeletly covered with plain and same dresses which is nice photo since she always emphasis on need of communities and vices of individualism and goodness of collective living and everybody get involve in your personal bussiness or put it simply everybody having the same lifestyle and values like the uniform dress of women in her beckground she can dress the way she wants she can force her daughter dress the way she wants until certain age by considering she is wiser than her own young daughter but she iscnot wiser than other adult women there are hell of a lot of women even younger then her who are so much stronger than her and are not hypertraumatized by their misfortune with men and certainly do not need help of women like louise and harrington who are hypersensitve and neurotic who need to protected from male gaze louise need a modest society because it takes two hands to clap she alone can not reject sexual revolution by not sleeping with men she have to make other women do the same so she wants to make other women to dress like her live like her and think like her if not by legal force at least she can do it by cultural forces like degrading or bringing other women down like slut shaming which she considers feminsit and useful by this logic islam is hell of a feminism and louise should not worry about muslims higher fertiltiy because future js gonna be full of feminjst like her "burqa is empowering "
@@joane24i have no problem if a women dress modestly or wear burqa and i dont consider her someone with more dignity cause i think human being have essential dignity we even consider criminals worthy of some level of dignity i dont know how dress can give people dignity its like treating a men with cheap clothes worse than a man with luxury coat probably lots of people will do this but that does not make it good or acceptable if something is in a specific way does not mean it ought to stay that way or is moral but since people dont want to acknolwdge their own bias or unconcious motives their prefer to rationalise their bias rather than challenge it certainly louise dosnt have a problem dressing modestly since she dress that way everywhere her problem has far bigger scale she wants to tell women what to wear her title is not about herself is about how women should dress with a photo of women who are compeletly covered with plain and uniform dresses which is nice choice if photo since it reflects her ideas well she always emphasis on need of communities and vices of individualism and goodness of collective living and everybody getting involve in your personal bussiness or put it simply everybody having the same lifestyle and values like the uniform dress of women in her beckground she can dress the way she wants she can force her daughter dress the way she wants until certain age by considering she is wiser than her own young daughter but she is not wiser than other adult women there are hell of a lot of women even younger then her who are so much stronger than her and are not hypertraumatized by their misfortune with men and certainly do not need help of women like louise and harrington who are hypersensitve and neurotic who need to protected from male gaze louise need a modest society because it takes two hands to clap she alone can not reject sexual revolution by not sleeping with men she have to make other women do the same so she wants to make other women to dress like her live like her and think like her if not by legal force at least she can do it by cultural forces like degrading or bringing other women down like slut shaming which she considers feminsit and useful by this logic islam is hell of a feminism and louise should not worry about muslims higher fertiltiy because future js gonna be full of feminjst like her "burqa is empowering "
@@WhizzingFish12 It's impact is incels too busy rubbing one out to care much about women. Unlike some parts of the world where men get frustrated and steal what they have no access to.
What would you say to women who have noticed that the amount of public sexual harassment they receive varies depending on how revealing their clothing is? (we agree that the male sexual harassers are 100% responsible for their actions)
I could not have stopped my daughter to where the clothes she wanted...no chance at all! But I do agree with you... But if the whole culture would have been more modest,it would have helped,or even if here school had some sort of clothing rules...
@maidenmothermatriarch Good evening Mrs Perry, if not already viewed, the video by Sean Gabb 'Islam: our enemy?' giving a comparative analysis to not too distant British social norms would likely be very interesting to you.
@user-rk9it9hz6g Yes. In practice, so far, you are correct; partly due to particalar ethnic (sub Ummah level) demographic trends & also the pace of the opposite among our own. In the abstract however, there's little to fault. & we'll have to see what comes over the next half century; methinks more likely an aggressive traditional alliance sgaint the libprogs than a continuation of the last 30yrs.
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy The joke is that many Christian Karens think that school uniforms prevent perverted thinking from boys. I joke "Ask openly perverted country number one what difference having school uniforms did." I also joked about from 1989 to 1994, my teachers said "Work harder, Japan is 10 years in the future." Well, I guess people should be able to buy dirty used uniforms from a burusera shop.
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy The joke is that school uniforms were said by the God Squad to prevent perverts. Well, ask the perverted weebs and otakus what difference it makes. The community is full of school uniform fetishists.
I think it's a depressing commentary on men, that the age women get sexually harassed the most is the mid-teens. While it makes some sense from an ev-psyche perspective I suppose, men do also carry upon themselves the burden to restrain themselves.
Hi Louise You mentioned the modesty in islam, i know a lot about this topic The face covering is considered something that is at least favorable by all scholars or mandatory by a lot of scholars, but it is still used by a minority. But in islam, a woman is only required to cover her hair and so on when she is around other men(other than her husband and close family, of course) Other than that, they don't do it, so it doesn't really harm practicality, because in islam the workplace is also expected to be separated by gender(this also has its benefits, women only workplaces are more suited for them) . But despite the benefits, most workplaces don't put enough effort into separation by gender sadly, even in muslim majority countries as far as i know.
hence all the 'sexual harassment' claims by wimmin in the workplace, #metoo & women have created an atmosphere of distrust between the two genders, many American men don't wanna speak to them at work, and the bosses dont have private meetings with women in case they make a harassment claim.. men cant even tell jokes or make compliments anymore in case a woman gets offended, and they trying to ban banter so that women feel more 'included' lol the West is showing everyone why you should separate the genders and its wimmin causing all the fuss, they come into male-dominated spaces and change everything for the worse
@@spiff1 If it is me directing stuff, I would also ban private meetings and so on between men and women like many feminists want. The separation by gender is actually the best solution to the problems the west faces in the workplace. I think a lot of feminists would want this, and it is a very reasonable solution. Many men wouldn't try to impress the women, and they will focus on doing their jobs more And women wouldn't be annoyed by the men who think they are interested in them. It is strange feminism isn't advocating for this very hardly because it seems very beneficial for the inclusion of women.
How can separation be beneficial for inclusion? And why do we need to make them FEEL included? Are they children? Feminist still want male mentors so women can progress up the ladder but then they also think compliments is harassment.. Telling a joke can get you fired if a woman finds it offensive, which today could be just about anything. Not to mention productivity falls the more wimmin u have working for you. Shouldn't really hire them at all, all they do is complain about non-existent injustices and wage gaps and they cause trouble. Then comes the fact that womb-men joining the workforce dropped wages for everyone and now we've all got it harder. Nothing they've done has been beneficial in any way, its all detriment@@MA-gu2up
@user-rk9it9hz6g Is your country the USA? If it is, then let me tell you that about 50% of women in the workforce or more reports being harassed in the workplace. Most of these women report more than one incident And this is just workplace, there is also street harrassment and universities and so on. Are you fine with such bad stats?
@user-rk9it9hz6g It is real, and I can show you the title of the papers if you want Who are you to say who cares about women and who don't? I mean look at you trying to doubt whether those were genuine complaints or not, despite the women being asked about harrassment, do you think if someone says he or she is being harassed that it may be not be a genuine thing? Well, you are also obsessed with imposing your worldview on others, by denying me and others their worldviews, what gives you the right to do that? Is your worldview any good to society? Hoped you wouldn't go away.
@@juggooslovenka I'm being facetious but, given that women love saying things like "men are useless", "men are trash" and always argue they have zero interest in appearing attractive to men ("I dress pretty for _myself_ I put on makeup for _myself_ and ONLY for myself"), women's heterosexuality seems questionable.
It's simple. If a lady dresses revealing and not modest she'll attract losers and deadbeats. If she dresses modest and respectfully she'll attract high quality and high earning men who will provide.
@@sarahrobertson634 It's actually not that ridiculous. When you're out in public if you dress too provocatively then the only men that will approach are ones who want short term access. If you think about it, it makes sense. You're basically saying with your attire that you're willing to give short term access. We need to read a bunch of cues to know what to do, and clothing is a great cue on how to behave toward someone else.
of course you would say that, you're a Feminist thinks wimmin shouldnt be objectified but then would encourage women looking like sloots@@sarahrobertson634
@@rathelmmc3194 I want to correct you on one point I don't think men should ogle women or approach them when they are wearing revealing clothes for short-term access I think that is morally wrong, and you probably also agree men shouldn't be doing that. But that doesn't harm your point because there will be men who aren't following this moral code right, so they will approach and harass to check for an easy opportunity, so in the end of the day, the type of clothing and how provocative it is have a large effect on how others treat you.
@@MA-gu2up Common sense declares there is no right to privacy in public; if you a woman in public feel exposed by a group of men looking at you, then, wrong though they maybe, better dress more modestly for ones own comfort from them on. & perhaps be more cautiously pragmatic about the people among whom you live. English villages have their problems, but they're different in a likely safer way.
Louise Perry doesn’t seem to realise that it isn’t just revealing clothes that are sexually provocative - heavy make-up like the lipstick she wears is too. If she had a teenage daughter she would be a hypocrite if she told them not to present themselves in a sexually provocative way. Older women need to set a good example to teenage age girls and practice what they preach.
if her makeup in this video is “sexually provocative” to you, you need to do some serious reflection. she also mentioned that cultural differences need to be taken into account in this discussion. her look here isn’t at all “provocative” in the west. there’s no hypocrisy.
@@lmr1049if you watch other videos of Louise Perry on TH-cam you will see that her bright red lipstick in some of them 💄, This is sexually provocative in British Isles and doesn’t put her in a good place to lecture teenage girls about presenting oneself modestly. Yes, it is hypocritical of her. If you can’t see this then you need to do some serious reflection.i certainly wouldn’t have let my daughter go to school wearing lipstick like Louise does on the Trigginimetry video she appears in on TH-cam!
Its literally her signature look, flush lips is a sign of arousal, look at the history of blush and lipstick, women usually used their own blood to get that hue. The color Red is a visual target for males, why do you think the stop signs and signal are universally red. Hell, its even cross species as an alert trigger.
Yes, she sounds like the kind of person who thinks the crimes are totally caused by clothing, why not go to an evidence locker at a police station and confirm the revealing clothing hypothesis?
@@skylinefever She thinks she's being so brave by going against the PC establishment. I don't like PC culture myself. I don't like the idea that a woman's accusation against a man should be taken at a face value. I don't like th constant insistence that we live in r---e culture and our rights are under constant assault. But I have no time or patience by blaming victims of crimes.
@@MadamoftheCatHouse one thing I love about the geek community was how they showed tho holy right leaning people and the SJW left have too much in common.
I am pretty sure Louise Perry does not blame the victim. However, if you dress in an arousing way do not expect people not to be aroused. Men are human rather than angels meaning men as well as women. We all (basically) know this. Perhaps people should accept responsibility for their own choices. Clothing communicates by what the clothing reveals and does not reveal - perhaps keep something special for someone special and not put it on display for all to look at. Unless you want to be treated as an object of lust, but realise you could dress for how you want to be treated. Dignified people dress in a dignified way. Perhaps we could go back to remembering the purpose of intercourse, that intercourse is participating the act of creation and that men or women are not your dildo or spunk bucket. Need I go on?
I realize now, in my 60s, that my father's habit of tinkering with and/or washing his car in the driveway was one way to place himself just outside the front door when I was a teen. He'd take one look at me and send me back up to "find some clothes" if my skirt was too short or my pants were too tight. I never refused to find something else or snuck a mini skirt out to change into. I respected my father too much. So much has changed since the 1970s! Girls who didn't have this kind of feedback in my generation, in general, got themselves in one kind of trouble or another.
My father in law did the same thing to my wife and I thank God he did. I have never had an issue with how she dressed in public because she dresses modestly. Normal clothes, just not having everything out. I owe that man one. Also she loves her dad so it’s not like she’s been abused or something crazy. It’s weird as a dad I think I would feel uncomfortable telling my daughter to wear something more modest but in her dads day it was just what you did.
My dad cared about my reputation, and knew I was naive. I feel close to him though he's been gone many years. @@awsambdaman
In Australia as a teen in the 80s one of my grandmother's used to make us stand in front of a window and tell us to put a petticoat on. We lived near the beach and what she saw as immodest was actually a modesty my generation had adopted. Pre adolescent girls and adult women simply walked to the beach in their bathers. But we decided this was immodest and we wore sheer cotton dresses over them except when in the actual water.
Fortunately mini dresses etc were not a thing when my girls were young. And when girls did wear short skirts for sports etc it was usual to wear bloomer type underwear that reached down to your upper thighs. They're still available all the little girls at my grand daughters kindergarten wear them. It means they can still wear the school skirt, but four year old girls don't always remember to sit modestly.
@@awsambdamanIt's your wife's job now. When she takes your daughter shopping, she can encourage your daughter to try on elegant clothes and can praise how well she looks in them.
I actually used to do this for a living in a round about way. I used to run a home for girls who for whatever reason couldn't live at home and were aged between 10 and 15. One of the first things I used to do for each girl was to take her shopping for a new out fit.
Unfortunately we’ve gotten to the point where not only do the younger ones not realize what they’re doing, their parents see no issue with revealing half shirts and shorts that leave nothing to the imagination either. What I would call “light pornography” is now being baked into popular culture.
There was recently a story in which a mother of 2 private school students (at a Christian school) advertised her Only Fans account on the rear window of the family car.
As a result, the students were withdrawn from the school after the mother was given the opportunity to remove the advertisement or drop her kids off at an adjacent location. The mother declined this reasonable request.
As a dad, I can’t imagine what potential impact this could have on kids.
So yes, we now have the blind leading the blind in many cases. Very sad
Crazy thing is that although schools say skirts have to be knee length you can't (or at least a few years ago you couldn't) buy school uniform skirts that long - they are all mini skirts
Probably designed by middle aged men!
And the cheerleader outfits too.
@@orangecat999 I don't think cheerleaders are a thing in the UK but my impression from US TV/film is their pretty odd outfits for schoolgirls
Also one of the reasons I vehemently hated school uniform as a schoolgirl was how short and impractical they were. Nasty polyester material made me so itchy. Knee length was (and is) still too short for me. For me the most psychologically and physically comfortable is loose mid-calf skirt/dress. In primary school boys up skirted girls routinely and nothing was done about it coz obviously you should be soooo happy that boys like you! They just express their feelings this way! Another reason I am glad I am not a child in school anymore 😅. Good to be able to wear clothing you feel comfortable in every day!
P.S. I went to school in an Eastern European country, not the UK.
@@hollythebordercollie2257 my impression is the whole cheerleader culture is super creepy. When I first learned that's a thing in the US I was horrified. It's so horribly objectifying and it teaches young boys that's ok to look at girls in such outfits.
Sarah Ruden is a classical scholar and a Christian. She wrote a great book about the early church in Rome. Respectable Roman women wore a veil in public while prostitutes didn't. It was how they differentiated between respectable married women and sex workers. Women who wore a veil were off-limits. Rome was a depraved place, attractive young boys required chaperones because they could be raped in the streets. The early Christians required that all women wear a veil in church to break down class barriers.
I'm a guy and to put it one way we evaluate women by their willingness to say no to us and draw firm boundaries. Dressing modest is a way of doing that. It's a status signal and a way of displaying dominance in my experience (in the west at any rate).
men and women are the same in this regard they say they like something and act opposite when it comes to dating the preference of one sex shapes the other sex men say they prefer natural women and condemn women with cosmetic surgeries but what we have is the explosion of cosmic surgery worldwide the same goes for women when they say all matters for them is kindness but men still had to compete within rigid boundries
Girls at school where I live some of them have skirts so short you can see their bottom. It’s ludicrous.
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Hi, I am Muslim and it's in our religion to cover our hair. Obviously it is between God and the individual and should never be forced, but it's in our holy book that the hair of a women is considered private. This can also be found in orthodox Christian and Jewish traditions. The face covering is NOT mandatory, and I think people should know that the Taliban does NOT represent Islam at all.
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The answer depends on what kind of man you want to attract:
- long term partnership/marriage with a good man: modest
- to hook up with short term man: not modest
- attention of low value men: not modest
Agreed that the standard of men has decreased too so there are more low value men and short term relationship men. So it is even more important to dress modestly nowadays.
Of Course!
Like outrunning the man next to you to not get eaten by a lion, girls should always be taught to pitch down relative to their local average & leave the house with an adaptable outfit that gives them adjustability for safety.
[Has 5 sisters, expecting my 5th daughter, (no sons, 2 brother, 1 brother-in-law) living in super diverse London borough].
the Feminists call this victim-blaming
@@spiff1 Fathers call it: the remaining option.
Brfore feminism my brothers & our mannerbund would have quickly sorted things.
Male femenists, no matter how cynical or genuine in sentiment are the worst in effect.
Women should take PRIDE in being modest - if they want to.
Right! Women can be Sexy and dress modest at same time. Takes more thought and knowledge of body type, style and just add a dash of trends.
I think Louise takes a very wise position here.
What I find deeply frustrating is the position I hear from many feminists, and have myself in argument against too many times, that modesty is somehow victim-blaming, and that women are not at all responsible for the way they dress, and that any attempt to impose any kind of standard is giving men permission to engage in SA.
This often comes up in discussions of school uniforms, and feminists will take the absurd position that if girls want to come to school dressed in "porn costumes" then that's their prerogative and if its distracting to boys, that's the boys fault. The reality is that you very well can train teenage boys to have no sexual response to their scantily clad female peers...but what you're actually training them to do is suppress their sexuality to a dangerous degree. We need to find a line somewhere between burqas for women and training teenage boys to have zero sexual response to obvious sexual stimuli. Neither is healthy.
If uniforms were all it takes to prevent boys from having perverted ideas, school uniform fetishists would not exist. I often joke "What did making uniforms more common than not in the world's most openly perverted country." Well, I guess the benefit of open pervertedness is people not stuffing it down until it ferments or explodes into something worse.
@@skylinefever
Those fetishes are typically for clothes that show parts of the body(short or very tight)
You wouldn't find people fetishizing a very wide covering of the body where you only see the hands and the face for example.
On what basis do you judge the burga as unhealthy? On practicality?
You know for the people who wear it, they only wear it when they are with other men, right?
So wouldn't an additional solution that makes things easier be to have separate schools for each gender?
@@MA-gu2up On the basis that it's absurd, constrictive, and oppressive. Moderation is key, there's no need to go to extremes.
@@wolfofthewest8019
But what is the extreme, though?
Can't one argue that the extreme is women not ever going out?
So a burga wouldn't be an extreme then.
Also, I believe whatever that is best isn't extreme
For example, you probably think children at least shouldn't drink alcohol, but what if someone says that is extreme and it is better if they have a small amount because moderation is better?
You will say that isn't moderation because moderation should be good, and drinking alcohol is very dangerous.
So the same point applies here,whether the burga is extreme or not depends on whether it is good or not, whether it is beneficial or not.
Schoolgirls in Cannock in Staffordshire, are mostly harassed by men who've come here on dingies.
Indeed, can't say shit about women being harassed.if the men are considered protected class.
@@skylinefever Odd how it's the wing of politics ostensibly most concerned about 'toxic masculinity' who are also the most keen to import unlimited numbers of the most toxic men.
@@jenniferlawrence2701 It's the mega corpos demanding line go up no matter the cost. What do they care what damage their imports do? They will be on their yachts smoking cigars
@@skylinefever Them too. Why social progressives are so keen to be useful attack dogs for those mega-corps is anyone's guess.
@@jenniferlawrence2701 The megacorps probably have great PR. They spun the idea that letting in masses "To pursue a better life" is an act of philanthropy.
Putting the SA issue aside, I'm concerned by the levels of vanity and egotism that are encouraged as standard for both women and men these days. Certainly social media has a lot to do with it. We've never been as image-conscious before as a society as we are now. It doesn't seem healthy. If there is an expectation that people's bodies are to be always on display in public, then people will inevitably become hyper-focused on how their body appears (even more so than they already were). The young girl growing up is going to be extra-aware of how her body appears in the particularly revealing clothing now in fashion compared to those of other girls, and how their body will look on social media in particular. Not surprisingly we see young women (and men) suffering from a rash of anxiety problems and body-image disorders, and feeling pressure to have surgeries or use chemical fillers, etc...
Another reason why it would be great if kids could reach adulthood without the influence of social media and smart phones.
these are completely normal queues of a civilization in decline, its so accurate you can set your watch to it, along with elevating chefs (cuisine) to god status and several other signs, i believe the clock says 150 years or there about What is incredible is this applies to every race, arabs, chinese , etc, the same things happen regardless of ethnicity which i find far more fascinating.
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These q@a's are awesome Louise.
Yes, we need a 40 minutes of this!!!
No, I think breaking it up to just one question at a time is a genius move; very practical for a mother.
True.@@GodsOwnPrototype
Women that wear chador in Iran, or cover the face in the Gulf countries, or that wear burqa in Afghanistan, have grown up with it since they were children. I was in Mashhad, NE Iran, at the mausoleum of the eighth Imam, and saw a little girl very proudly putting on her first chador. They handle it like a second skin. That said, trying to adapt face covering to a society that has almost no women-only spaces means that a woman will have to make a fundamental lifestyle change, and often they make that decision to commit themselves to that. Face covering is not unique to Islamic culture. Japanese aristocratic women used to hide their faces with fans when they went out. It is even said that in the past in Islamic cultures, it was recommended for handsome men also to veil their faces.
The other thing to note is the male sexual over-perception bias. It's the tendency of men to falsely infer sexual interest when a woman is dressed provocatively. And this male bias is particularly strong for physically attractive women. So imagine a scantily clad, pretty young girl in her prime of fertility walking in front of men of all ages, arousing them. Not to mention that men from their teens to their 40s think about sex all the time and some of them are unable to control their sexual impulses so they will act upon them.
"walking in front of men of all ages, arousing them"
Yeah, but you see, feminists argue that if men are aroused by women, first of all that's gross and misogynistic, but more importantly, it's the fault/problem of men. Men need to always control their eyes and brains and completely desexualize both women and themselves, through sheer will.
Feminists basically argue that there should be no connection between strong visual stimuli and a response from the observer. Women need to be liberated sexually, but men must behave like devout Medieval monks.
I do believe that girls also dress immodestly to showcase their attractiveness to others. It's a kind of status play. I'm saying this as a woman who liked to go out sometimes dressed in a certain way just because I enjoyed feeling the most attractive of all
suggested rule of thumb. Ladies shouldn't be exposing any more skin than men. I am an aussie so we have skin cancer issues.
You should interview Wendy Shalit , author, A Return to Modesty.
I think you are absolutely right. I know for a fact that I had no idea how boys would have seen me in my miniskirts.. (Yes. I'm THAT old.). I think I have mostly always dressed to impress other girls and women.. I was surprised when, a dozen years ago, my husband said he absolutely would have found that very distracting.. One of the things that's interesting about the trans issue is listening to the effect of testosterone on emotion and libido.. We all know that males have to learn to behave properly, but I never understood how much effort might be involved in that until recently..
Regarding covering within Islam- it’s favoured by a lot of women who convert to Islam because they have been sexualised and judged by both men and women for the way they look , since childhood and covering gives the woman the control back. There’s advantages to covering for all ages- imagine covering up so that nobody notices every new grey hair, or chest wrinkle- not bad.
Immodesty is like
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Wow, that's so true about the targeted display!
Highly restrictive women’s dress is also related to general levels of danger. It is the price of not being mistaken for a young man and killed.
Me and my daughter have always had this discussion that girls are wearing is alarming and very scary
Homa Nategh was a history proffessor in iran an intellectual who used equal rights provided by pahlavi dynasty to achive high status for herself when khomeini passed compulsory hijab law and all women revolt against it she ruined their protest and humilated them and told them womens problem is not to dress up themselves as dolls we have to fight pahlavi imperialism even if khomeini forces us to cover ourselves with blankets later years when she was convicted to hanging by khomeini she left iran and said i betrayed women "i was naive i didn't think those who tell me how should i dress later will tell me how should i think " she and 4 generations after her paid high price for the lesson they learned
Very good observation. It's one thing when a woman decides to dress modestly on her own, and because she has a positive image of herself and of social relationships around her so she herself wants to go toward that positivity, and another if she's forced to dressed modestly because others' image of femininity is that it's evil temptress who has to be subdued by legal force.
There's nothing wrong with modest clothing, in fact it's better and more appropriate for the woman's innate dignity and true beauty than revealing clothes, but everything is wrong with wanting to control and impose it on women. The former sees the innate woman's worth and thus modesty is a positive thing that is to showcase the beauty, while the former is seeing women negatively, not is dignified and beautiful, but as wrong temptresses, which typically is a projection form uncontrolled men's lust.
@@joane24 i dont have problem with women dress modetly even wearing burqa but i dont thing dress can determine dignity and moral worth i have problem with this thinking a woman can say i feel bad when men look at me i feel i have no dignity when men look at me but can not say another woman has the same feeling as me and therefor she also feel bad when men lust after her but she is so careless or ignorant that can't protect harself therefore big sister or matriarch need to enforce her superior wisdom to these naive women no law stops women from dressing modestly its quite opposite title of video is not why i dress modesty why i like modesty it is should women dress modesty and she used picture of women who are completely covered she can wear what she likes can force her daughter till certain age what to wear but other women are not her teenage girl and she is not their mother there are hell of a lot of women smarter and thougher than her that are not haunted by their memories of misfortune and dont need to push other women into chastity.
the whining about modesty is all about making other women dress the way they dont want otherwise why they have to make videos about something they can do louise always dress modest if it was about her individual choice she didnt need to cry it out or philosophise about it its about making decision for other women if not by law at least by degrading them or draging them down (slut shaming which she considers it useful)
@joane24 i have no problem if a women dress modestly or wear burqa and i dont consider her someone with more dignity cause i think human being have essential dignity we even consider criminals worthy of some level of dignity i dont know how dress can give people dignity its like treating a men with cheap clothes worse than a man with luxury coat probably lots of people will do this but that does not make it good or acceptable if something is in a specific way does not mean it ought to stay that way or is moral but since people dont want to acknolwdge their bias or unconcious motives their prefer to rationalise their bias certainly louise dosnt have a problem dressing modestly since she dress that way everywhere her problem has far bigger scale she wants to tell women what to wear her title is not about herself is about how women should dress with a photo of women who are compeletly covered with plain and same dresses which is nice photo since she always emphasis on need of communities and vices of individualism and goodness of collective living and everybody get involve in your personal bussiness or put it simply everybody having the same lifestyle and values like the uniform dress of women in her beckground she can dress the way she wants she can force her daughter dress the way she wants until certain age by considering she is wiser than her own young daughter but she iscnot wiser than other adult women there are hell of a lot of women even younger then her who are so much stronger than her and are not hypertraumatized by their misfortune with men and certainly do not need help of women like louise and harrington who are hypersensitve and neurotic who need to protected from male gaze louise need a modest society because it takes two hands to clap she alone can not reject sexual revolution by not sleeping with men she have to make other women do the same so she wants to make other women to dress like her live like her and think like her if not by legal force at least she can do it by cultural forces like degrading or bringing other women down like slut shaming which she considers feminsit and useful by this logic islam is hell of a feminism and louise should not worry about muslims higher fertiltiy because future js gonna be full of feminjst like her "burqa is empowering "
@@joane24 @joane24 i have no problem if a women dress modestly or wear burqa and i dont consider her someone with more dignity cause i think human being have essential dignity we even consider criminals worthy of some level of dignity i dont know how dress can give people dignity its like treating a men with cheap clothes worse than a man with luxury coat probably lots of people will do this but that does not make it good or acceptable if something is in a specific way does not mean it ought to stay that way or is moral but since people dont want to acknolwdge their bias or unconcious motives their prefer to rationalise their bias certainly louise dosnt have a problem dressing modestly since she dress that way everywhere her problem has far bigger scale she wants to tell women what to wear her title is not about herself is about how women should dress with a photo of women who are compeletly covered with plain and same dresses which is nice photo since she always emphasis on need of communities and vices of individualism and goodness of collective living and everybody get involve in your personal bussiness or put it simply everybody having the same lifestyle and values like the uniform dress of women in her beckground she can dress the way she wants she can force her daughter dress the way she wants until certain age by considering she is wiser than her own young daughter but she iscnot wiser than other adult women there are hell of a lot of women even younger then her who are so much stronger than her and are not hypertraumatized by their misfortune with men and certainly do not need help of women like louise and harrington who are hypersensitve and neurotic who need to protected from male gaze louise need a modest society because it takes two hands to clap she alone can not reject sexual revolution by not sleeping with men she have to make other women do the same so she wants to make other women to dress like her live like her and think like her if not by legal force at least she can do it by cultural forces like degrading or bringing other women down like slut shaming which she considers feminsit and useful by this logic islam is hell of a feminism and louise should not worry about muslims higher fertiltiy because future js gonna be full of feminjst like her "burqa is empowering "
@@joane24i have no problem if a women dress modestly or wear burqa and i dont consider her someone with more dignity cause i think human being have essential dignity we even consider criminals worthy of some level of dignity i dont know how dress can give people dignity its like treating a men with cheap clothes worse than a man with luxury coat probably lots of people will do this but that does not make it good or acceptable if something is in a specific way does not mean it ought to stay that way or is moral but since people dont want to acknolwdge their own bias or unconcious motives their prefer to rationalise their bias rather than challenge it certainly louise dosnt have a problem dressing modestly since she dress that way everywhere her problem has far bigger scale she wants to tell women what to wear her title is not about herself is about how women should dress with a photo of women who are compeletly covered with plain and uniform dresses which is nice choice if photo since it reflects her ideas well she always emphasis on need of communities and vices of individualism and goodness of collective living and everybody getting involve in your personal bussiness or put it simply everybody having the same lifestyle and values like the uniform dress of women in her beckground she can dress the way she wants she can force her daughter dress the way she wants until certain age by considering she is wiser than her own young daughter but she is not wiser than other adult women there are hell of a lot of women even younger then her who are so much stronger than her and are not hypertraumatized by their misfortune with men and certainly do not need help of women like louise and harrington who are hypersensitve and neurotic who need to protected from male gaze louise need a modest society because it takes two hands to clap she alone can not reject sexual revolution by not sleeping with men she have to make other women do the same so she wants to make other women to dress like her live like her and think like her if not by legal force at least she can do it by cultural forces like degrading or bringing other women down like slut shaming which she considers feminsit and useful by this logic islam is hell of a feminism and louise should not worry about muslims higher fertiltiy because future js gonna be full of feminjst like her "burqa is empowering "
I have heard of women building a museum of clothes from victims of sex crimes to show the flaw of the "Clothing creates crime" argument.
Irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is about the pornification of our society and its impacts on both genders.
@@WhizzingFish12 It's impact is incels too busy rubbing one out to care much about women. Unlike some parts of the world where men get frustrated and steal what they have no access to.
What would you say to women who have noticed that the amount of public sexual harassment they receive varies depending on how revealing their clothing is? (we agree that the male sexual harassers are 100% responsible for their actions)
@@jenniferlawrence2701 I'm not talking about cat callers, I am talking about the ones who commit the most heinous sexual crimes.
@@skylinefever My impression was Louise was referring mainly to public harassment, but I could be wrong.
I could not have stopped my daughter to where the clothes she wanted...no chance at all! But I do agree with you...
But if the whole culture would have been more modest,it would have helped,or even if here school had some sort of clothing rules...
@maidenmothermatriarch
Good evening Mrs Perry, if not already viewed, the video by Sean Gabb 'Islam: our enemy?' giving a comparative analysis to not too distant British social norms would likely be very interesting to you.
@user-rk9it9hz6g Yes. In practice, so far, you are correct; partly due to particalar ethnic (sub Ummah level) demographic trends & also the pace of the opposite among our own.
In the abstract however, there's little to fault.
& we'll have to see what comes over the next half century; methinks more likely an aggressive traditional alliance sgaint the libprogs than a continuation of the last 30yrs.
@@GodsOwnPrototype Sounds like someone falling for an "Enemy of an enemy is a friend" trap.
Even as a old 61 yr old women still attract. Mad. Evolution. But it can be controlled
Getting the impression that fall fashion S&M gear would be considered not kosher, in the new trad-hipster utopia, hopefully I kept the receipts.
I often joke about how sexy school uniforms are to weebs.
@@skylinefever What's the joke
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy The joke is that many Christian Karens think that school uniforms prevent perverted thinking from boys.
I joke "Ask openly perverted country number one what difference having school uniforms did."
I also joked about from 1989 to 1994, my teachers said "Work harder, Japan is 10 years in the future."
Well, I guess people should be able to buy dirty used uniforms from a burusera shop.
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy The joke is that school uniforms were said by the God Squad to prevent perverts. Well, ask the perverted weebs and otakus what difference it makes. The community is full of school uniform fetishists.
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy The joke is that school uniforms are supposed to prevent perversions. Go see how many weebs are also school uniform fetishists.
Well said.
This entire video could be chopped down by simply saying a responsible father decides what his daughter wears in public.
Yes
I think it's a depressing commentary on men, that the age women get sexually harassed the most is the mid-teens. While it makes some sense from an ev-psyche perspective I suppose, men do also carry upon themselves the burden to restrain themselves.
Hi Louise
You mentioned the modesty in islam, i know a lot about this topic
The face covering is considered something that is at least favorable by all scholars or mandatory by a lot of scholars, but it is still used by a minority.
But in islam, a woman is only required to cover her hair and so on when she is around other men(other than her husband and close family, of course)
Other than that, they don't do it, so it doesn't really harm practicality, because in islam the workplace is also expected to be separated by gender(this also has its benefits, women only workplaces are more suited for them) .
But despite the benefits, most workplaces don't put enough effort into separation by gender sadly, even in muslim majority countries as far as i know.
hence all the 'sexual harassment' claims by wimmin in the workplace, #metoo & women have created an atmosphere of distrust between the two genders, many American men don't wanna speak to them at work, and the bosses dont have private meetings with women in case they make a harassment claim.. men cant even tell jokes or make compliments anymore in case a woman gets offended, and they trying to ban banter so that women feel more 'included' lol the West is showing everyone why you should separate the genders and its wimmin causing all the fuss, they come into male-dominated spaces and change everything for the worse
@@spiff1
If it is me directing stuff, I would also ban private meetings and so on between men and women like many feminists want.
The separation by gender is actually the best solution to the problems the west faces in the workplace.
I think a lot of feminists would want this, and it is a very reasonable solution.
Many men wouldn't try to impress the women, and they will focus on doing their jobs more
And women wouldn't be annoyed by the men who think they are interested in them.
It is strange feminism isn't advocating for this very hardly because it seems very beneficial for the inclusion of women.
How can separation be beneficial for inclusion? And why do we need to make them FEEL included? Are they children? Feminist still want male mentors so women can progress up the ladder but then they also think compliments is harassment.. Telling a joke can get you fired if a woman finds it offensive, which today could be just about anything. Not to mention productivity falls the more wimmin u have working for you. Shouldn't really hire them at all, all they do is complain about non-existent injustices and wage gaps and they cause trouble. Then comes the fact that womb-men joining the workforce dropped wages for everyone and now we've all got it harder. Nothing they've done has been beneficial in any way, its all detriment@@MA-gu2up
@user-rk9it9hz6g
Is your country the USA? If it is, then let me tell you that about 50% of women in the workforce or more reports being harassed in the workplace. Most of these women report more than one incident
And this is just workplace, there is also street harrassment and universities and so on.
Are you fine with such bad stats?
@user-rk9it9hz6g
It is real, and I can show you the title of the papers if you want
Who are you to say who cares about women and who don't?
I mean look at you trying to doubt whether those were genuine complaints or not, despite the women being asked about harrassment, do you think if someone says he or she is being harassed that it may be not be a genuine thing?
Well, you are also obsessed with imposing your worldview on others, by denying me and others their worldviews, what gives you the right to do that? Is your worldview any good to society?
Hoped you wouldn't go away.
Wait, I thought women do things _solely_ for themselves. What's this about wanting to attract certain men in your age group?
what's the point of a minor tryna get attention from other minors? Maybe to get a boyfriend/girlfriend, like what do you even mean😭
@@juggooslovenka Why would women want to get a boyfriend, I mean?
@@Rockownz5150 cause people want a partner? Are you genuinely wondering this?
@@juggooslovenka I'm being facetious but, given that women love saying things like "men are useless", "men are trash" and always argue they have zero interest in appearing attractive to men ("I dress pretty for _myself_ I put on makeup for _myself_ and ONLY for myself"), women's heterosexuality seems questionable.
It's simple. If a lady dresses revealing and not modest she'll attract losers and deadbeats.
If she dresses modest and respectfully she'll attract high quality and high earning men who will provide.
That's ridiculous. There's no simple formula to any of this.
@@sarahrobertson634 It's actually not that ridiculous. When you're out in public if you dress too provocatively then the only men that will approach are ones who want short term access. If you think about it, it makes sense. You're basically saying with your attire that you're willing to give short term access.
We need to read a bunch of cues to know what to do, and clothing is a great cue on how to behave toward someone else.
of course you would say that, you're a Feminist thinks wimmin shouldnt be objectified but then would encourage women looking like sloots@@sarahrobertson634
@@rathelmmc3194
I want to correct you on one point
I don't think men should ogle women or approach them when they are wearing revealing clothes for short-term access
I think that is morally wrong, and you probably also agree men shouldn't be doing that.
But that doesn't harm your point because there will be men who aren't following this moral code right, so they will approach and harass to check for an easy opportunity, so in the end of the day, the type of clothing and how provocative it is have a large effect on how others treat you.
@@MA-gu2up Common sense declares there is no right to privacy in public; if you a woman in public feel exposed by a group of men looking at you, then, wrong though they maybe, better dress more modestly for ones own comfort from them on.
& perhaps be more cautiously pragmatic about the people among whom you live.
English villages have their problems, but they're different in a likely safer way.
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Junior Wells' take on the topic: th-cam.com/video/qlPj9y4Z7mc/w-d-xo.html
Louise Perry doesn’t seem to realise that it isn’t just revealing clothes that are sexually provocative - heavy make-up like the lipstick she wears is too. If she had a teenage daughter she would be a hypocrite if she told them not to present themselves in a sexually provocative way. Older women need to set a good example to teenage age girls and practice what they preach.
if her makeup in this video is “sexually provocative” to you, you need to do some serious reflection.
she also mentioned that cultural differences need to be taken into account in this discussion. her look here isn’t at all “provocative” in the west. there’s no hypocrisy.
@@lmr1049if you watch other videos of Louise Perry on TH-cam you will see that her bright red lipstick in some of them 💄, This is sexually provocative in British Isles and doesn’t put her in a good place to lecture teenage girls about presenting oneself modestly. Yes, it is hypocritical of her. If you can’t see this then you need to do some serious reflection.i certainly wouldn’t have let my daughter go to school wearing lipstick like Louise does on the Trigginimetry video she appears in on TH-cam!
Its literally her signature look, flush lips is a sign of arousal, look at the history of blush and lipstick, women usually used their own blood to get that hue. The color Red is a visual target for males, why do you think the stop signs and signal are universally red. Hell, its even cross species as an alert trigger.
@@SophieHamilton-d3e I agree with you. She shouldn't.
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Total bollox. Young women know exactly what they are doing but not the extent of the effect of it.
I think it's pretty disgusting.How she said that men are mostly attracted to teenage girls. 16 Is not a woman.
What about guys taking their shrt off in public & tight trousers, C'mon please.
I'd prefer they didn't. But you'd have to concede they are less likely to be sexually harassed by other men.
So she thinks she's being cool and subversive by blaming sexual violations on the victims. Great!
Yes, she sounds like the kind of person who thinks the crimes are totally caused by clothing, why not go to an evidence locker at a police station and confirm the revealing clothing hypothesis?
@@skylinefever She thinks she's being so brave by going against the PC establishment. I don't like PC culture myself. I don't like the idea that a woman's accusation against a man should be taken at a face value. I don't like th constant insistence that we live in r---e culture and our rights are under constant assault. But I have no time or patience by blaming victims of crimes.
@@MadamoftheCatHouse one thing I love about the geek community was how they showed tho holy right leaning people and the SJW left have too much in common.
@@skylinefever Indeed.
I am pretty sure Louise Perry does not blame the victim. However, if you dress in an arousing way do not expect people not to be aroused. Men are human rather than angels meaning men as well as women. We all (basically) know this. Perhaps people should accept responsibility for their own choices. Clothing communicates by what the clothing reveals and does not reveal - perhaps keep something special for someone special and not put it on display for all to look at.
Unless you want to be treated as an object of lust, but realise you could dress for how you want to be treated. Dignified people dress in a dignified way. Perhaps we could go back to remembering the purpose of intercourse, that intercourse is participating the act of creation and that men or women are not your dildo or spunk bucket. Need I go on?