16-Port 10Gb Managed Switch for under $400???
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10-Gigabit is expensive, especially when you need more than just a couple ports. Enter the Mikrotik CRS317-1G-16S+ switch... a 16-Port 10-Gigabit switch to run at the top of your server rack, enabling lightning fast transfers between all of your servers.
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You know when he is a true IT professional when he scheduled at a non production after hour maintenance to perform the cutover for his home network so he family is not effected by the plex/internet outage.
The SLA they have me under is criminal....
@@CraftComputing LOL. I completely understand. Also, it doesn't help since they have in-house IT support they know they have free life time tech support. The SLA in my home is tighter than any international corporate conglomerate, 100,000+ user organization I ever had to support lol. The SLA is 100.1% uptime or I get complaints, woke up out my sleep, no breakfast, lunch, or dinner until the issue has been resolved. Unless, there is a power outage. The outage is always my fault.
@@TeamNoLackin79 I know the feeling of no sleep, breakfast, lunch or dinner until the issues are resolved. I make a point to take comp days off so I don't get burned out. My boss completely understands that and don't mind taking those days off even though I still check on systems from home. lol.
My brother lives with me so my maintenance window is when I know he's asleep. Regrettably there have also been some "no impact" changes made in production that didn't exactly go to plan. He gets nervous anytime he sees me near my equipment.
@@RootSwitch Lol yep. My wife does the same thing. My kids say "what did you break this time" and how long is going to be down for.
That's one way to make me spend more money :P
Got'eem!
My fiance at home. She knows when I buy new equipment because I'm occupied in a different productive way. First thing she says, " What did you buy?" I bought a DMS-106xt yesterday. She then looked and saw new flashing lights. "What is that?" I said a switch. I'm slowly building my network. Now I'm here to see what type of 10g switches are out there.
7:04 Can you just make the face video bounce around the screen like those DVD screensavers? Face in the way? Just wait a few seconds for it to bounce away.
Now that Mikrotik have enabled the ASIC based L3 offloading in ROS V7 it's an extremely powerful bit of kit and will do L3 routing at 10g wire speed. You wont beat that for the price!
Well Jeff, looks like we both have the same switch now 👀
Slowly but surely you're doing exactly what I wanted to do at my job, I'm the only IT person there =s Thank you for your help!
Holy crap, I had no idea you could get this kind of gear new for $400.
Mikrotik has had a line of 10GbE switches out for a few years now. I swapped out an old Quanta LB6M (with it's LOUD!!! fans) for the CRS 317 a little over 2 years ago - even ordering it from Latvia directly since that's where I got the cheapest price, even adding in shipping. They work great for home or small business.
Mikrotik has got some awesome produkt in 10Gb range... This is my switch... CSS326-24G-2S+ (i dont need more 10Gb ports ) ;-)
You can get 10G for much much cheaper, and far faster, than that:
forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/brocade-icx-series-cheap-powerful-10gbe-40gbe-switching.21107/
Brocade ICX6610-24P
16x SFP+ 10G (8x via 2x rear QSFP+ 40G breakout cables, which are just $10 each as well)
24x PoE+
2x QSFP+ (40G)
$100-$150 on eBay (48P are also in the $100-$180 range)
And the Brocade's are all full L3 hardware line-rate ASIC switches, unlike the Mikrotik which offloads ACL and many other things to the slow CPU.
Now comes the tough question. Would you want a sub $400 10G switch in an environment you care about?
@@vdubjunkie For my homelab, 100%. I'm not paying at work so I'll stick with Juniper there.
Hey Jeff! love your content, slight misspeak at 02:38 its a C13 cable, which is the standard PC cable, the C15 is specifically the heat rated connector, (the bloody annoying one with the notch out of it) will still work though, Props on getting the actual cable name and not just calling it kettle lead!
Edit:
rebelangel66
, got it though before me
Strictly speaking, You can run it as a pure switch with RouterOS too. The SwitchOS is easier to configure VLANs, but You can do it on both of them. And with RouterOS you get all its features - even using it as a pure switch.
Router OS is less stable and not as well developed as SwitchOS.
@@Enonymouse_ No, not really. I use both, and they are equally rock solid.
ROS has a lot more features than SwOS.
SwOS has a much easier interface, and when You have similar products, the ones that are SwOS only are cheaper.
Each of them has its uses. You just have to buy accordingly.
Thank you for covering SwOS on this unit! Most people just say to go with RouterOS because it's more featured packed (including everything SwOS does), but I always ask why? It's not being used as a router!
I wonder how this stacks up to something like a HPE 1950 12XGT? Other than the fact that it's all SFP+. We've got nothing but HPE at work but with the massive price difference between those two switches MikroTik is looking pretty good...
Works well as a layer 2 switch but does not do so well with layer 3. Not incredibly picky about SFPs so far. FS generic (copper and fiber) work just fine. That blue light is a lighthouse BEACON for sure. Crazy bright even for blue LEDs
It's a bit more than that, RouterOS 7 introduces support for MC-LAG and some quite decent layer 3 offload. This makes it affordable and useful layer 3 switch when you have a BGP / OSPF fabric to use it in.
RouterOs also has more features like seeing cdp and lldp neighbors and just show you more of what’s going on.. but trickier to configure to get hardware offloading but not to bad
3 seconds in and I know this is going to be good. Mikrotik are such an underrated company. All the features and performance of Cisco at 1/10th the cost.
Talking about Cisco I bought my Nexus 6000 with 48x10G+4x40G for little over $600 ;) Also happens to buy Brocade VDX6740 for $125 and HP 5900 for $300... So what is the point to buy Mikrotik when you can buy better for less money ? BTW my Cisco cost over $50 000 new, so I paid 1/100 of the price...
MTBF ratings and other integration features would like a word
Just saw thumbnail and it made me click instantly. I see Mikrotik, I smash that like button. Mikrotik is a company from small European country called Latvia 🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻. And it is awesome that they get more and more exposure, even Linus, the tech tippy one, has one 😍
Linus proof hmm says alot rotfl...
DAC = Direct Attach Copper in my book. Therefor DAC cable is not reduntant (to me at least)
1:03 mark..... I never thought I would ever have to say this to you. BUT.... you F****** tease! Also, I have nowhere near enough 10Gb systems to use this (OK, I could get it to 50%), and i didn't even know this existed, but now I WANT one. Damn you, Jeff!
There are 4 and 8 SFP+ fanless versions as well
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh I have the 4-port version (1st video I saw on it was Jeff's review), and was planning to get the 8-port version. Jeff has now ruined the plan lol.
@@RemyL75 I’ve been running the 8 (very happy, only annoyance is needing a reboot if I make a dramatic change). Before I got it, I thought there was no need for that many SFP+ (but I heeded sth’s warning about how often they replace the 4 port version due to growth)… then I bought a few rj45/SFP+… and found cheap SFP+ NICs… and now there’s only just enough ports.
If you want to trigger people, one of the Latvian Microtik employees said on their forums that it's pronounced "mee-kro-teek".
why don't you use winbox to manage it? I use it for my mikrotik router and its much better than the web ui.
Switch Os does not support winbox. Routeros which he switched from has way more features (even in a switch) and supports winbox
Ayyyyy! I've been rocking this one for a year or two now :)
You don't need to plug both PSUs in, BTW!
But if you have one in the wall and one in the UPS, it stays up even during UPS maintenance :)
Unacceptable.
@Find Truth Yeah, that does not sound like a homelab xD
Yeah didn't he say that one of them is just redundance.
Generous to give redundance PSU for that price
Doesn't DAC stand for Direct Attach Copper?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAC, www.fs.com/c/direct-attach-cables-1113
A lot of time went into that thumbnail illustration for sure. Nice video!
DAC Cable is not redundant. DAC stands for Direct Attach Copper.
Would be better if they offered an RJ45 version of that same router. I know very few homelabs and small businesses that have even one optical link anywhere.. If they have, it's usually only 1 (their fiber-uplink).
Personally not having more power cords shoved down my throat that are invariably the wrong length is a very good thing.
Fun fact vlan 1003 is supposed to be a reserved vlan for token ring, but it’s also the vlan to present to Apple’s Airports if you want a separate subnet for your guest WiFi.
2:33 those look like c14 sockets which needs an c13 plug not c15. c15 does fit though.
Suggestion: To avoid moving your webcam, resize your browser to be smaller than the full recording canvas, thus exposing your background. Place your webcam on one of the two sides, and leave the extra space black. This way you wouldn't have to fuss with it.
I have never tasted alkohol before, but I always find your beer review very interesting lol
Mikrotik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM is also a good option if you need more Ethernet ports. Those ports are 1/2.5/5/10G
The CRS317 (and the CRS3xx Mikrotik switches in general) are vastly underappreciated. Hardware L3 switching was added to the CRS317 in RouterOS Release 7.0beta7. I've had hardware L3 routing running on my 317 for almost the past year. Mikrotik added hardware routing to all of their CRS3xx switches in RouterOS 7.1beta6. When you bring these switches up to that level, they will run circles around ANYTHING in their class.
sigh.... any benchmark that isnt l1/l2 nonblocking is just tearjerking...... Im not sure why anyone would ever want to light up l3 anything on one of these....
Im growing my home lab, and Im fairly young. Im using PfSense as my router/firewall and so on.
Is there any real reasons why you didnt go with PfSense with 10GB networking equipment? Im just curious as I want to make sure that I am making the best decisions.
7:20 Just resize the window! Sheesh. lol.
I've been a long supporter of Mikrotik ever since I started migrating my network equipment to them 4 years ago. It's hard to beat the price for the vast feature set you get. The only negative I will mention is that the CLI and GUI take a while to get used to. But once you figure it out, it's smooth sailing.
You should have received the power cords with the CRS 317(I did). I would ask the seller / distributor to send you some or provide some sort of credit/refund.
WARNING: DO NOT BUY THIS!
I bought one of these. It lasted 18 months before one of the power supplies blew up, and over voltaged the logic board, meaning the redundant power supply was useless. Even though it was less than 2 years old and purchased from an authorized Mikrotik reseller, they refused to RMA it. Digging deeper, you'll find Mikrotik doesn't do warranties. They expect their resellers to do them.
Googling around finds that a lot of Mikrotik devices that are AC powered fail at an above average rate. Based on Mikrotik not being able to design AC power supplies, and their lack of warranty, I will never buy another Mikrotik product again. So disappointing, since up until this incident, I loved how much network device I could get for the $$. I guess you get what you pay for.
I bought this on your recommendation (among other channels recommending as well). I am really stuck. All I did was replace my old 10GB switch which had 4 10GB ports with this one because the hope was to get my home lab up and running all 10GBe. As soon as I installed this switch, rebooted in SWOS and I tested my 2 10GB computers with iperf3. Both prior would max out around 7-8Gbps. With this new switch I would get a whopping 2-3Gbps. Went to the forums looking for help Nothing. The documentation is laughable at best. Now trying to find a Cisco solution because this switch is horrible out of the box.
I think you would have more success with the facecam if you'd put it directly in the middle. Seems like it's pretty unused on SwitchOS. 😅
I actually like that they don't put power cables in the box. Because most of the time you just throw them in your pile of shame of unused power cables.
For them it also it makes logistics much easier (they don't have to pack diffrent boxes for diffrent countries).
@@pearcomputers2542 and it's rack mountable. So most people will use C13-C14 cables anyway.
why not just use the unify aggregation switch? it's only 8 ports, but they're all 10g. Do you just need more ports than 8 or is there some kind of issue you have with the aggregation switch?
I was looking for this question as well, interested to know what people think of the agg 10G switch.
I need more than 8 ports. I have 8 10Gb servers, plus the lines going between 3 switches and my studio.
I'm planning on getting the 317. what transceivers have you used that work well ? I cam across this one in amazon that people are buying with the 317 " 1.25/2.5/5/10G SFP+ RJ45 Copper Transceiver, 10GBase-T RJ-45 SFP+ Module, Compatible for Cisco SFP-10G-T-S, Ubiquiti UniFi UF-RJ45-10G, Mikrotik, Fortinet, Netgear, TP-Link (CAT.6a/CAT7, 30m), Ipolex " any opinions on the ipolex ?
Why did you have to configure the ports for the vlans twice? Makes no sense to me. With HPE switches you just have to "create the vlan" (so that the switch recognizes it) and then define the ports as tagged or untagged.
Also, does the SwitchOS cost any licensing fees like the RouterOS?
Had the same thought, seems redundant unless I'm missing something..
You know you can resize the window right? :)
Great content!!
Is it possible to use this type of equipment as "dumb equipment" and have it work? I can't get my network to go over 1200-1400 Mbps on my 10g setup. I currently have 10gtek intel x550 cards in my machines (win 7 ult, win 10 pro, and nr12000 running unraid) and my zyxel XGS1930-28HP (and another non HP version too). I'm lost on vlans so none of that kind of stuff is set up, just however it is from initial setup.
What Router are you using?? I have the nighthawk, but I want to upgrade to a rackable router...Or a L3 switch... Which one do you recommend?? preferably Gigabit+
I love this thumbnail
I'll sell you the NFT
@@CraftComputing deal!
Can this accurately connect as a 2.5Gbps and/or 5Gbps link? Some of their devices will not, and leave with weird speed issues. It will negotiate and identify the port as 10Gbps, but it's connected to a device with a 5Gbps NIC (e.g. the AT&T router). The results of that aren't good.
mmmm. nyce.... me likey microtik.
Me thinkn link aggregation some of them ports for the two 10G ports on Xi Systems TrueNAS Mini X+.
i'd have a play with pfsense as an alternative to ubiquiti dream machine.
The QNAP 100Gb/25Gb switch seems like a better deal
Jeff... You can blur and try to obscure your switch password all you want. We all know it's "solarwinds123"! Haha! Joking aside, I'm glad your covering this mikrotik, I've been debating adding this one to my rack and going the 10g route myself.
Actually, I made it much more secure. Now it's "$olarwinds12345!"
@@CraftComputingohh... Phew! That is significantly more secure!
Forewarning to anybody looking at this switch: swOS is garbage. I installed one of these in a building and had all sorts of headaches with Wireless Access points not being able to communicate with each other with their config replication. Also if you create LAGGs there is no way to assign a VLAN to the LAGG directly. You have to assign the VLANs to all of the ports in the LAGG. If you miss one your traffic will get VERY weird.
For a home lab: It's fine. If you're thinking about using it in any business setting, avoid it like the plague unless you like weird, unexplained issues like UniFi or Aruba APs weirdly showing disconnected states or SNMP issues. Maybe they fixed it in later firmware releases, but when I was running one on 1.12 I wanted to smash it with a rock after a week of troubleshooting.
That looks like a good option once I upgrade my router to support 10 GbE.
why
hey craft could yo please explain me why proxmox hates switching VLANs? I al least 4 enviroments with proxmox switching VLAN and no issue at all.
Couldn't make the video *one second* longer?? There's nothing LEET about 13:36...
Is the connection between your UDM and Mikrotik ( At 4.53 the red utp cable (straight through right?) ) that gives internet access to the devices you have connected on the Mikrotik and it's gui as well.
Mentioning a $400 price does not mean much when you don’t mention that you need SFP+ Transceivers for connectivity.
How often do the fans actually spin up?
Does it route 10G for v4 as well as v6?
Some other user wrote it would route line speed. I cannot believe it.
You got ripped off, mine came with a power cord. That said, these switches are weird to configure... Why do these things make you set up a gigantic bridge for all your vlans? I've never had to do that on a switch.
DAC isn't direct attach cable - it's Direct Attach Copper. So "DAC Cable" is not redundant.
That's odd about the missing power cords as mine came with it. Maybe depending on who you order it from since they do make them for both US and International markets. Got mine from Amazon which pointed me to a reseller in Latvia. Ironically not too far from MikroTik's HQ. :)
I also ordered mine off Amazon and it came with 2 power cables. Absolutely love MikroTik's switches for Layer 2 10Gb.
But will it work? I have test about 20 micro dick product and those all was steaming pile of s*. I dont want switches or routers what can randomly drop to flat conficuration, make stp loop, leak packets from vlan to another and do other crappy stuff.
To be literal “DAC Cable” is not redundant as it is directly attached copper, so adding ‘cable’ is perfectly fine
i really hate the interface and that some features are not always documented. I solely use one as an L2 aggregation switch towards my Juniper EX who does l3 10 times better. ita cool h😎how they handle management tcp settings without any gateway
Signs on the package of router(right side of package), represents Latvian roots ot company produced this router.
No power cables, huh? Is that just for the american market, perhaps? I bought three Mikrotik switches (crs328-24p-4s + 2x crs312-4c+8xg) earlier this year, and got two power cables with each. All of them safely resting at the top of the "never used power cables"-pile, of course.
Also I have a question. Is there a reason you are using a ubiquity router instead of pfsense?
Cus Ubiguiti is awesome, just their customer service isn't well doesn't exist sometimes lol. I have a USG Pro4 and USG managed 24 port switch. IT simply works.
Because it works well enough for all my needs. Sometimes that's the end goal.
@@brierepooc8987 Thats a good point, but if one wants to tinker a bit, pfsense has so many more options, rules etc...
@@CraftComputing ….says the guy with 14 servers
Why is DAC cable redundant? Direct Attached Copper cable.
Question, how about the 40g infiniband equipment on ebay that's like pennies?
Stopped watching when I saw routerboard.... brr... shivers..
You can get 10G for much much cheaper, and far far faster, than that:
forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/brocade-icx-series-cheap-powerful-10gbe-40gbe-switching.21107/
Brocade ICX6610-24P
16x SFP+ 10G (8x via 2x rear QSFP+ 40G breakout cables, which are just $10 each as well)
24x PoE+
2x QSFP+ (40G)
$100-$150 on eBay (48P version in roughly the same price range, $120-$180)
And it's a full L3 hardware line-rate switch, unlike the Mikrotik which offloads ACL and many other things to the slow CPU.
Um.. The Captains Daughter is very much under age..... /s
Just put you Head in the middel of the screen🤣. What I love to see is if you have a firewall and how to install a firewall to protect your home servers.
I ordered some dual port 40g QSFP+ adapters, but i didnt check the compatibility, it works in windows/linux but i cant seem to get them to work in TrueNAS, i had planned to use them for direct syncing between servers without hitting the network, but it looks like i'll have to keep searching.
But i'd like to get an 8-24SFP+ Switch with 2 QSFP+ ports
Considering I have an entire column of my organized cables pegboard filled with that power cable, I'd actually be glad they didn't include them with the switch (NOTE: I still think it's complete BS that phone manufacturers are now not including USB C charge adapters).
The reason maybe BS to you. But it's something little we can to fight e-waste. Most people have collected enough adapters and cables over the years. I can imagine is little sh*tty if you just started with your first phone or other stuff. But you will see after a few years how many cables and stuff you have collected. I have a full box with this stuff up in the attic. Btw you have to blame EU parliament for pressuring companies to do more against e-waste. (apple still hasn't did sh*t though)
Planned obsolescence is the issue, not shipping with a charger. Maybe start shipping PD chargers. I'm sure your box is more full of micro than c.
@@markdee3506 yes that is true. That is the biggest problem right now. While I don't have a box with lots of type c cables i will in a few years.
When I need a power brick I have to go buy one, maybe because I don't go out and drop a grand on a new phone every year?!? (Also relate to the loss of micro sd for secondary storage.)
Damn impressive network
I just upgraded to a 36 port 40Gb switch myself :P
😍
WHAT? I can't hear you over the sound of your switch.
Problem with this is you need to purchase up to 16 adapters making this switch more expensive
I was hoping this was going to be a new device that has RJ45 connections
Excellent as usual but the VLAN config was confusing me? Another question was why you didn't choose the Mikrotik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM instead? It seems the same price with better connectivity? Am I wrong about something?
What firewall are you using?
1070ti trio? Hmm. Mining rig? Testing the new AMD FSR tech to see how well (or poorly) it works on old GPUs?
Wouldn't that be funny if you could FSR your existing nVidia card to 3070 performance at 3070 native resolutions? No need to upgrade!
Just don't try to do L3 on that switch as it's really not capable of doing so. If you want to use L3 then get the Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch ES-16-XG.
L3 runs in hardware on v7. But yes, it is still beta.
I have esentialy an identical set of components in my rack, UDMP, and both MikroTik POE and 10gb switches, one thing I can say, is I did try to sacrifice 8 ports and get the 8 port unifi 10gb switch, and ended up returning it, as lovely as it is to have it in the unifi controller, it is too buggy, it didn't work properly with half of my 10gb servers, I was running a pair of small MikroTik 5 port (4 SFP) switches ganged together, and moving to the MikroTik16 port switch, everything just works, no weirdness that some unifi hardware tends to have -- they seem to be always in beta.
I could use something like this only with rj-45 connectors (everything else is 10GbE copper (10GBase-T)
I have its baby brother the CRS305 to connect my QNAP332X to the rest of my network. I might look at the CRS309 as a next step up or I might jump to this.
In this video Jeff told, that vlan 1000 is reserved for smth like ancient tech. I've never heard before about such assignment of vlan 1000. Is it a standard? Or maybe RFC?
If I ever need to connect to a token-rung net, I'll have to change that VLAN ID 😂
I see a stack of GPUs that is probably an upgrade for the cloud gaming server series. :-D If you bring that project and it works. 1. because why wouldn't you bring it back and 2. I know it will work because I have built one myself. :-D I hope you touch on the fact that VM gaming is blocked by Battleye and Easy Anti-cheat. I would be happy to share the info I have put together.
I think I'm missing something. You didn't do any testing on the gear. What's the bandwidth limit for the backplane in a real world environment? Does it support copper SPF at 10Gig? If so, which ones work best? Which optical SFP's work best? Which ones are not supported? Is there a second video coming for this review?
Wow that's crazy, 10 physical servers in your home? You must be made of money to pay that hefty power bill each month. You should look at a Dell R820 so you can VM on your servers into one box plus have extra room to add others.
Power is 7.5¢/kWh here 😉
About having to move the face cam: Simply don't maximize the browser window to full width?
crs354 has 12 10Gbe ports + 48 gigabit ports. For the same money. Which makes it better bang for the buck.
DAC cable gets plugged into the NIC card. After that's all done, let's manage the NTFS file system. 🤣
You need to get out of my head I was just thinking about this switch
I had both of these switches and the unifi x16 maybe has replaced the fans but in my rack its not bad. Both switches gave crap speed and crap support, I got network drops when transferring files between 10g and 1g PCs. Finally I got the x16 switch to work by finding the flow control setting but unifi support was no help at all
unifi is a premium but you get POE and 10G Rj45 and the unified system , stupid not to iinvest in the eco system if you already started .. the gem 2 switch 24 pro is amazing
Any reason why you didn't go with the Unifi USW-Aggregation, besides the fact that it's only 8 ports? It seems very reasonably priced.
did you plug in the second power cable as only one power light is on
We use these in our fibre nodes to clients they are really good.
Same here we use them too
@@jamesmcintosh4664 they very popular here in South Africa because of the price to performance.
Great video! Perhaps when working with user-interfaces so spread out, you could just have your head float around the screen and bounce off the edges, like an olde thyme screensaver. Really force the viewer to engage with their mind. ;)
Have you found it still to be effectively silent over the last two months? I've seen some reviews indicating it gets quite loud, but I think that might be specifically when more than 1 or 2 1000BaseT transceivers are installed. I'm considering this or a CRS309 for a 10Gbps backbone for my home/home office LAN, so I'd hopefully be using DAC for everything.
Would you feel comfortable using a pair of these for SAN infrastructure? Like maybe a pair of them for failover.
DAC Cable is not redundant by the way…
M1 MacBook Pro? Did I miss a video on that?