I absolutely adore my Lawson Horn. I knew the day I bought it that if I missed a note it was NEVER going to be the Horn. However...the Horn doesn't have a B-flat slide on the top side of the instrument (like many Horns do) and getting to water (okay, condensation, no it's NOT spit) out is a constant battle. When the video went black and white and the look on Scott's face said to me, I understand brother. I understand.
I've never found that slide very useful for emptying water though. I feel like any water that gets in there usually just ends up in the valve slides anyway.
@@ScottLegerHorn I didn't mean to imply that this lack of a B-flat slide was the sole reason I have "water issues". After a rehearsal, etc. I'll dutifully empty the Horn (all slides and turning the Horn over) only to come back the next time and it seems like the Horn is full of water! That face you made just hit deep.
@@conductus I know it’s literally been six months, but it’s probably because of the temp. When the horn moves from colder to hotter places, the horn heats up and it causes condensation. So even if there was none in your horn, more gets created. You can never escape the condensation monster
Thanks for your help ! I always thought there has no solutions to help me empty my double horn but from your videos I finally learnt how to empty the horn in a right way thanks 😅
I wish we can empty condensation easier like the trumpets all they have to do is press a tiny button and blow😔 But thank you so much for the tutorial, I’ve been looking for a video like this since I’m a beginner
As usual these tutorials are very helpful. Could you please do a video on transposition from concert pitch in various keys? Thank you for your consideration.
i've got a spit valve on the 3rd tuning slide on the Bb side. It's such a quality of life improvement!! (Lawson horn). Btw, you are a phenomenal player!! When I am in Louisville, I'll come listen to you and the LSO. I hope you're enjoying it there!
Huh. I'm a fairly beginner horn player, and although I thought I basically had the basic idea on how to empty the water out of it, but this is really helpful, I definitely learned from it.
It really depends on the wrap. On an Alexander 103 all water naturally accumulates on the 3rd valve, as it's the lowest point in that valve section. Of course there's also water in the f extension and in the leadpipe. On a Schmid double, this water goes to the f extension instead, which is provided with w water key, same as the lead pipe. I found that it's easier to get all the water into the f extension by rotating the horn with the levers facing down and then emptying almost all the water using the water keys. The advantage of the Schmid is much easier and faster to empty, I usually only need to empty all the slides at the end of a session. On the downside, due to the location of the water keys, water sprays everywhere so you have to keep a rag to keep it clean. It never happens on the 103 due to the shape of the lead pipe, the water barely sprays the horn.
Very helpful! I just found out yesterday that you have to rotate the bell almost flat to release the water from those slides, thnx to my band director. Is it possible for a tutorial on how to play the Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 2nd Movement French Horn solo?
I found that going the other way in rotating the horn is far easier, more efficient. Simply, let the horn drop from your lips and downwards to the floor - lift the bell up and backwards. It dumps out in seconds from the lead-pipe. And can do this in 3 seconds. Every 15 minutes, I remove the main and F tuning slides, rotate the horn with lead-pipe up and dump it out fast (opposite direction). The 3rd valve gets it once every 1-2 hours. And it looks far more elegant too. And far faster.
Most horns are going to be shipped with water keys. My regular instrument has three, but this old Conn from 1959 has none. even so, condensation still manages to get just about everywhere in the instrument so they aren’t 100% foolproof. Especially for the valve slides
It's a pre-letter Elkhart 8D. I like to have a regular double horn to teach and make some videos like this so that I can model on equipment more students are used to, however I use the Schmid for all my professional work.
It’s always the Bb side third valve slide 💀 How do I keep my tuning slide from sliding out while I’m playing? It doesn’t fall out but it slowly slides out from the position I set it
My french horn is a very old one. Recently I realized it stucked in somewhere. The sound isn't smooth like before, and evertime I play, It take a lot of my effort. My breath really heavy when I play. 3 months ago I bring it to an expert to clean and it get better after that. But now it's getting worse and I dont know why. Always have water inside the valve and I can't take all them out. Does anyone have any way to help me? 😢😢
You should probably take it to a repair shop and have them do it. Basically you have to move around a screw on the thumb trigger and then restring your horn. It isn’t hard to do, but not every instrument can do it (most can though)
Very helpful for beginning students.
i am your nemesis
Yez
Love the Water Music in the background!! Very fitting lol
I absolutely adore my Lawson Horn. I knew the day I bought it that if I missed a note it was NEVER going to be the Horn. However...the Horn doesn't have a B-flat slide on the top side of the instrument (like many Horns do) and getting to water (okay, condensation, no it's NOT spit) out is a constant battle. When the video went black and white and the look on Scott's face said to me, I understand brother. I understand.
I've never found that slide very useful for emptying water though. I feel like any water that gets in there usually just ends up in the valve slides anyway.
@@ScottLegerHorn I didn't mean to imply that this lack of a B-flat slide was the sole reason I have "water issues". After a rehearsal, etc. I'll dutifully empty the Horn (all slides and turning the Horn over) only to come back the next time and it seems like the Horn is full of water! That face you made just hit deep.
@@conductus I know it’s literally been six months, but it’s probably because of the temp. When the horn moves from colder to hotter places, the horn heats up and it causes condensation. So even if there was none in your horn, more gets created. You can never escape the condensation monster
Thanks for your help ! I always thought there has no solutions to help me empty my double horn but from your videos I finally learnt how to empty the horn in a right way thanks 😅
I wish we can empty condensation easier like the trumpets all they have to do is press a tiny button and blow😔
But thank you so much for the tutorial, I’ve been looking for a video like this since I’m a beginner
As usual these tutorials are very helpful. Could you please do a video on transposition from concert pitch in various keys? Thank you for your consideration.
I actually do have a video about this on my channel already!
@@ScottLegerHorn I will go back and check out all of them and catch up on your awesomeness.
This is very helpful because i got a french horn 2 weeks ago to learn
Back in the day there was a great pamphlet from Holton with Phil Farkas showing you how to drain water. He looked annoyed having to pose for it.
I too would be annoyed lol
Omg I remember that pamphlet 😂😂
i've got a spit valve on the 3rd tuning slide on the Bb side. It's such a quality of life improvement!! (Lawson horn). Btw, you are a phenomenal player!! When I am in Louisville, I'll come listen to you and the LSO. I hope you're enjoying it there!
CONDENSATION valve
Huh. I'm a fairly beginner horn player, and although I thought I basically had the basic idea on how to empty the water out of it, but this is really helpful, I definitely learned from it.
It really depends on the wrap. On an Alexander 103 all water naturally accumulates on the 3rd valve, as it's the lowest point in that valve section. Of course there's also water in the f extension and in the leadpipe.
On a Schmid double, this water goes to the f extension instead, which is provided with w water key, same as the lead pipe. I found that it's easier to get all the water into the f extension by rotating the horn with the levers facing down and then emptying almost all the water using the water keys.
The advantage of the Schmid is much easier and faster to empty, I usually only need to empty all the slides at the end of a session. On the downside, due to the location of the water keys, water sprays everywhere so you have to keep a rag to keep it clean.
It never happens on the 103 due to the shape of the lead pipe, the water barely sprays the horn.
Regardless of the horn, all water should be removed completely after each session 👍
Bro Scott ain't messing around 😭
Very helpful! I just found out yesterday that you have to rotate the bell almost flat to release the water from those slides, thnx to my band director. Is it possible for a tutorial on how to play the Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 2nd Movement French Horn solo?
I needed this because my teacher doesn't explain it well enough.
I helped my friend clean his horn at the end of 8th grade and we both just sat there baffled at how many pieces a french horn actually had
Try taking a triple horn apart!
I found that going the other way in rotating the horn is far easier, more efficient. Simply, let the horn drop from your lips and downwards to the floor - lift the bell up and backwards. It dumps out in seconds from the lead-pipe. And can do this in 3 seconds. Every 15 minutes, I remove the main and F tuning slides, rotate the horn with lead-pipe up and dump it out fast (opposite direction). The 3rd valve gets it once every 1-2 hours. And it looks far more elegant too. And far faster.
I consider the horn not having built-in water-key(s) a serious design flaw. I had an Amado water-key installed on my son's horn.
Most horns are going to be shipped with water keys. My regular instrument has three, but this old Conn from 1959 has none. even so, condensation still manages to get just about everywhere in the instrument so they aren’t 100% foolproof. Especially for the valve slides
I find that most of my condensation collects in the first turn or or the one next to it toward the bell. Only rarely do i have to do the horn turn.
Can you go over how to properly oil and grease your horn?????
Is this horn a conn 8D Elkhart? V8D? Why did you choose to pick up this horn and not just stick with the schmid?
It's a pre-letter Elkhart 8D. I like to have a regular double horn to teach and make some videos like this so that I can model on equipment more students are used to, however I use the Schmid for all my professional work.
I’m having some problems with your technique so I just simple empty through the mouth piece
It’s always the Bb side third valve slide 💀 How do I keep my tuning slide from sliding out while I’m playing? It doesn’t fall out but it slowly slides out from the position I set it
I would just wipe off some of the slide grease on it with a soft cloth
the ending is so real
My french horn is a very old one. Recently I realized it stucked in somewhere. The sound isn't smooth like before, and evertime I play, It take a lot of my effort. My breath really heavy when I play. 3 months ago I bring it to an expert to clean and it get better after that. But now it's getting worse and I dont know why. Always have water inside the valve and I can't take all them out. Does anyone have any way to help me? 😢😢
Tx. Hey wait a second!! That looks like a Houghton cup.
It is! I like it with the Conn
@@ScottLegerHorn H1 or 3
@@carlw H1
@@ScottLegerHorn Ya stupid question, I realized after I posted. Because you use the H1 rim with the JL cup on that Schmid 😍😍
I worked around this issue by having lots of water keys.
That’s ideal, but surprisingly a lot of school horns don’t have them, and some older horns don’t either
@@ScottLegerHorn Ya know what, more water keys would be a huge upgrade.
Thank you!!!!
Does this same rule apply to a single F horn?
Yes
@@ScottLegerHorn thank you!
Thank you so much!
As a person with a stuck valve I take good care okay it’s a school horn.
Hello!
How can I reverse my double horn?
You should probably take it to a repair shop and have them do it. Basically you have to move around a screw on the thumb trigger and then restring your horn. It isn’t hard to do, but not every instrument can do it (most can though)
Ah yes, the condensation
if it's not spit, then drink it, chicken!
Trumpet players watching this like…
"It's condensation..."
drink it... Drink it on camera, Scott...
💀💀💀
Conn 6D players just suffering...
Condensation ... from the spit.
I know it’s water but I’m still calling it spit
ok, it totally is spit. If you play with just a mouthpiece for a bit water will slowly leak out. Even when its temperature is equalized
It’s not though