This is why my instructor told me to speak up if anything doesn't feel right. "You're not a pilot yet, but if you ever feel like anything is unsafe or going wrong, speak up. You might notice something I don't." I always appreciated how my instructors always taught us to question everything. "If something doesn't look right, it isn't right. A go-around is free, sticking to it is the most expensive mistake you can make that has been commonly paid in blood."
First Officer's wife here. Sitting on jump seat behind Captain. Quiet as a church mouse. Listening on headset coming south down Long Island. Told cleared to land in pouring rain no sight of airfield. Hubby: "negative." Started banking to take the turn North. Crew looking out of window to the right; no airport in sight. For some reason I stopped looking out to the right and looked to my left. SHOCK HORROR another a/c alongside and mirroring our actions. Both a/c sinking. This was a 747:200 with engineer. I waved at him and pointed out the window. He unbuckled to see what I was indicating ... and spoke up. Later...in the bar...Engineer tells me that they reported this near-miss, hubby stating that the Engineer noticed the a/c. "No, Peter. It was your wife! "
surely the most logical action on this landing would have been to divert to the other airport. They fueled up well for this possibility, but did not use it.
A go around isn't "free" as such, since it will use a bunch of fuel... But compared to death and the aircraft destroyed, I guess it's awful close to free.
Formally an educational video about good practices and positive reinforcement for good performance on the pilots' part, and also teasing the youtube audience's morbid curiosity. I'd love it
I work at a large aviation repair facility and often pass along important suggestions about safety that I learn here. Who knows who may be having a bad day or because someone is new and in training. Often I followup with the question, "Would you feel safe to fly on the plane that you were a part of repairing?" We now have a suggestion box to improve safety and award workers for going above and beyond. I'm going to suggest watching some of these videos that are shorter. If someone on the FPI line rejects a blade with a hairline crack and prevents a tragedy then this channel will have more impact than anyone would ever know. Great job! Final comment, if you see something wrong - say something. There's no points for being quiet.
It can actually backfire. Suppose if a passenger have some suspicion about something and tell crew about it and crew find it to be false that may put passenger in a very bad legal case.
This is why it is important to report issues no matter how small they seam. I am guilty of not raising issues with higher ups because 'they have enough to deal with' but now i see that a repot could be the difference between life and death
ILS localizer and glideslope have monitoring systems, separate little antennas called near field monitors that check the parameters to detect problems like this but seems like noone got the warning. With towered airports the ILS panel in the tower also shows these warnings. I worked on ILS maintenance for 5 years. The glideslope is insanely sensitive to ground conditions, even the grass has to be kept at certain heigth near the antenna because it uses ground reflection to form the 3 degree "beam". Localizer usually does not complain about the ground in front of the antennas, but yeah 5ft of snow did it. My airport never got more than 2 ft of snow
The closest untowered airport to where I live only has a grass runway, no lights, no ILS and is only open to general aviation. Never would I have thought that there could be untowered international airports.
@@psirvent8 I think KPQI is only technically a international airport, there are no regular flights to Canada, but you can check through for international GA ferry flights and such... technically, I think there are airports which are a dirt strip and are yet occasionally used as international... Bara having a flight to Ireland once in a blue moon being the example I can immediately think of
@@psirvent8 "International" is a generous self-description of Presque Isle. It's pretty typical for a small GA field, but definitely not what would normally be considered an "international" airport in the sense of having scheduled international airline flights. You can probably get international air taxi operations from there just because it's so close to Canada (only about 75 miles,) but the whole airport only averages 20 flight operations per day with only 3 of those being commercial and those all being domestic, specifically, that flight to Newark and formerly one to IAD in Washington. It was formerly called Northern Maine Regional Airport, which seems like a much more reasonable name. Some airport names have really gotten ridiculous. Like "Music City Executive Airport," which isn't in Music City (i.e. Nashville) or even in the same county. It's in Gallatin, about a 40-minute drive from Nashville... which already has both a GA reliever airport and a major international airport that are much closer than the self-described "executive" one. At least that one isn't nearly as egregious as "Orlando-Melbourne International Airport," which is in Melbourne, FL, more than a hour from downtown Orlando and nearly an hour and a half to Disney World (where most of the tourists to Orlando are going.)
Cool video. I worked in forestry for 20 yrs and introduction of hazard and incident reporting prevented many injuries and saved a few lives. Thanks for highlighting this.
It was very uplifting to watch an episode without casualties. Your graphics are awesome! It must be much work in producing a video as this only on graphics. And it is done superb.
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I can't believe I haven't watched this video before today. I knew and loved that very plane when I flew it at XJT - I was a check pilot there for 20 years. We had a "no fault" go around policy. And I used to fly Metroliners into PQI in the early 1990s. Thanks for the video.
I work in IT and always speak out if something is wrong. Infortunately in some toxic environments pointing out that somenthing is wrong is considered a misbehavior, like somebody that wants to work against "the system".
It's a common problem. The only place where I have worked where they took safety seriously was one where the CEO had had to tell a wife her husband had died in an accident at work early in his career. He said he never wanted to do that again and encouraged people to report safety issues. Every where else where I have worked you are the bogey man for reporting safety concerns.
Fantastic video. Good analysis. There was a lot of caution flying into that airport. 3 months prior, the runway maintenance crew improperly report braking action which almost caused a runway excursion. Greatly increased runway performance buffers and alternate rules came from that. Also got the feds involved. I was unaware of the loc antenna clearance rules and their changes. That was very interesting to hear. But with the weather, snow removal challenges, and a weaker captain it lined up all the cheese. Fortunate no one was injured.
When I first heard of the incident that afternoon, I assumed it was an excursion because of previous runway reports being greatly inaccurate. I’ll admit I didn’t have to check to see who the captain was….
Great analysis. Really intriguing accident, which I had always thought was a case of the a/c skidding off the runway until now (I remember seeing a photo of one of the main gear lodged in the left engine intake). Also a big relief that no one was seriously injured or killed. Interesting that they saw something very wrong (tower) with the first approach and decided to go around, and then saw the same again with the second approach but elected to try and "salvage" the approach and landing.
Thank you so much for creating these and breaking them down in as much detail as you do. Learn from someone else's mistakes so you don't have to figure out those lessons yourself the hard way.
Some fascinating parallels between this accident and Colgan 3407 ten years prior. To wit: - Both Captains had serious blemishes on their records including check-ride failures citing poor judgement and weak skills, with each receiving disciplinary letters. - Both First Officers commuted over 1,000 miles from their homes (Colgan FO in Washington state, Commutair FO from Florida) in the 24 hours prior to the accident flights. - Both First Officers had recently been and/or were still sick on the day of their respective accidents - Both First Officers, upon arriving at EWR on their commutes, were under-rested with each having gotten approx 4-5 hours of sleep before starting their duty day. - Both departures were out of EWR during the winter months. - Both flights attempted approaches in marginal conditions. - Both Captains in particular exercised woeful judgement and poor CRM (Colgan being far worse). Of course the outcomes are vastly different but only due to sheer luck on the part of the Commutair crew who managed not to stalll on the TOGA and didn’t collide with anything after they missed the runway during their bellyflop into the grass.
The captain was the one with the training blemishes. The FO was just tired and didn't have hours required to be a captain. What this shows is that exahastion is equivalent to training inadaquices. Yet people hop into their 2.5 ton suv death machines all the time while tired. I'm glad we have finally gotten rid of the time switch in the USA, even though they are leaving the switch in the wrong position.
Indeed. Seems to be while reading your list nothing was learned from the Colgan Air Crash. Unfortunately. Most important difference: All People on board of this plane and also on the ground stayed alive.
I wouldn’t put so much emphasis on past failed sims and checks, especially so early in one’s career. If every sim is failed and repeated, or line flying shows dangerous habits or questionably decisions then that’s far more important when looking at an air crash like this one.
@@RowanHawkins There has been discussion about abolishing daylight saving time (DST) in the United States, but I did not realize that this had been implemented. I know Hawaii and Arizona do not observe DST, but to the best of my knowledge, the rest of the country still does. When will the time change stop being implemented?
Notes: ASAP reports, Aviation Safety Action Program, are automatically forwarded to the FAA and do not remain internal to the airline. A factor not listed, and never listed, is the pressure pilots feel from their companies to complete a flight. This culture of pressure is real, and prevalent. Seasoned pilots are less susceptible to this phenomenon of pilot pushing, however, younger less experienced pilots may show less resistance to pilot pushing and a sense of "completing the mission" rather than adhere to procedure. As the industry begins to fill up with newly minted pilots during the rush to fill pilot seats, new pilots need to learn from accidents. A nice breakdown MP. Lesson: There is no mission to complete; stick to procedures.
Thank you for another Great video , good information . Wow your son is growing since last time i saw him on your video , smile you will live thru the teenage years , i survived 3 of them . Be safe Mentour Pilot and family .
Be aware - Kamikoto Knives was just exposed as a scam. They use extremely LOW grade "Japanese steel" for their knives that are made in China. Their "headquarters" was until recently a hotel room. Now it's some office (single) in a huge office building. They're owned by a company that was exposed for selling scam "royal titles" a few months ago. Love your channel and watch all the time, hate to see you falling for this scam advertiser!
I am reminded of a policy among some personnel I work with: "It's not broke until it's good and broke" which has resulted in avoidably expensive downtime.
Reminds me of something an old boss used to say to people "you complain that you're too busy to take your time and do it properly, but you're never so busy that you don't have the time to do it all again"
I once worked for a sewn products company that wouldn't allow the mechanics to do routine overhauls of our sewing machines. So, instead, we had routine breakdowns instead, often several times a week. A different company let the same lead mechanic do regular maintenance on the sewing machines even if that meant idling a sewer for an hour, and had so few mechanical issues that the mechanic took over shipping/receiving because he had so few repairs to do.
In my current department, it's "if it's not happening to everyone, it's not our problem." -- A consequence of the majority of teams now working from home!
Certainly deep snow would be a better "brake" than an icy runway, and more consistent too in terms of keeping the plane on a reasonably straight course while slowing down
Fantastic video on many levels! Have always liked your videos but this one earned my subscription. So many great lessons to learn from this event and you highlighted them great with an amazing presentation
I love this channel!! Your technical explanations are fantastic, but the real gem is how you are able to weave it together with the human/communication side... even most technical errors in the end seem to be communciation-based (including corrupt practices and cultures where deference is a thing), such as the Royal Air Maroc one where they weren't recording technical failures properly and the maintenance crews were unable to locate the exact cause of the malfunctions.
I *hate* that so many pilots didn't report the localiser not working correctly. I work with software and saw some cases in the past where I would see a bug for the first time and then hear from users "well, we had this happen before but we have this (very complicated) process to work around it". And I'm like ??? Did you tell anyone? How things can be fixed when no one let us know about it in the first place? O_O There's monitoring but things slip and will continue to slip through it. Report bugs you see, people, in software and in real life - it's worth it even if all you get back is "we are aware and working on solution".
Its a worry actually that the captain was given that status after her clearly having failed not once but on another occasion also to meet the requirements for the rank. To add this, the co pilot also showed hesitations, and clearly required more assistance with the aircraft and associated systems. More than the failure of the ILS system, in my personal view pilot error was THE factor that caused this accident which fortunately did not end in any fatality or serious injury.
Love this playlist, helps me get through the day & I listen to a few videos fall asleep then wake up with you still talking so listen some more. On my 3rd loop round the playlist.
It's confusing why the pilot who had just a few days earlier experienced a problem with the I.L.S system and still relied on it to land this aircraft. The first approach indicated that the plane was in perfect alignment with the centerline of the runway, but clearly the flight crew encountered the tower and should have instantly known that the I.L.S system was in error and should not have been trusted. Why then would they make a second approach and completely rely on a system that any reasonable person would have concluded was inaccurate. It's definitely a miracle that no one was killed by this incident that never should have happened in the first place. Both of these pilots should pursue alternative careers!
Amazing and a brilliant Guy!!! I used to be in the General Aviation-Operations Jet Centre at London City Airport and I am glued to watching your channel....
Someone once said "if in doubt, go around". Sorry, can't remember who said it. I think this should be how every instructor trains their pilots. And a policy that is adopted by every airline. Also, I believe that them failing to recognize the inaccurate ILS signal and switching to the alternative which was proven to be correct could have at least put them on the runway. But they should have still gone around. Also, how much would it cost to install heating elements onto the runway to make sure the runway is just warm enough that snow can't stick to it?
Prohibitivly expensive. So you heat the runway, but where does the water go? Into a drain that also needs to be heated. What about the taxi surfaces and gates? You are talking flooding quantities of water here. 5 inches of water equivalent from one storm and its going to Freeze into a sheet of ice as soon as its away from the area. The best solution is to not let it get warm enough to melt. Then it wont stick and can just be blown and swept off. Once snow gets an ice crust, that insulates the snow below it from melting unless it is drastically warmer.
I learn all my best flight technics from watching your show, since Air Crash Investigation & a good laugh. I guess nobody's perfect but does help. Thank You
It amazes me how the aviation industry seems to lag the cautiousness of normal industry. The ILS system used here has been used since the outbreak of WWII and closeness of objects and amount of snow around the localizer antennas has not been tested properly. It took 80 years to realize how snow affected the signals. The concept of fatigue also took the aviation industry a lot of time to grasp - according to your Hawaii video. I also wonder why the VHF radios used in planes are a lower quality than the VHF radios used in ships and boats. I'm 66 years old and have been flying as a passenger some hundred times since 1976. Watching your videos has taught me that the knowledge in the aviation industry is much lower than we have been told. I will prefer train and ships in the future when it's possible. Thank you.
Thank you Mentour Though I am not a pilot or in the aviation industry. I learn much from your videos. I am a professional carpenter and remodeling skills. I always appreciate craftsman of any profession. If I ever need to be available during a flight. I believe your information could be the difference between life and death. Lord bless you and please stay safe and encouraged to continue your videos.✝️👼🙏
Getting little tips like these videos do. If I already know these it's okay to get refreshed again. When I read NTSB's reports. I hope to learn from these so I dont find myself on a NTSB report someday.
A good example of the need to go-around if ANYTHING is suspicious. Yes you´ll lose time and fuel. But if you have this time or fuel(or running engines and controls), then this time is worth less than everybodys security.
3:17 - 3:20 we have an anomalous runway spuriously marked 12 at one end and 23 at the other end. 😃 Actual runway numbers always differ by 18 (that is, 180°); thus, it should be either 05/23 or 12/30. 4:55 the subtitles generator has transformed "Embraer 145" to "embryo 145" 🤣🤣🤣
Kamikoto knives are a scam. The company listed on the Facebook page is a Chinese company registered in Hong Kong and the only connection to Japan is a Japanese hotel they list. It's made with cheap 420 steel which is a low grade budget steel use in budget knives. It's likely it was manufactured in China with some cheap Chinese steel made from recycled scrap metal. This is junk. You will never see real Japanese honshu steel knives selling for up to 80% off.
Hi Pettier, this incident of confirmation bias runs very true to me. I was at RAF Wittering in 1985 when two F-104S broke clean over base. They'd actually been inbound to RAF Cottesmore and had been visual with Wittering rather than Cottesmore. They had obviously mistaken Wittering for Cottesmore and had taken vectors from Cottesmore radar. yet seeing Wittering they perceived it was Cottesmore. Not being familiar with the bases, caused the confusion. Luckily Wittering was closed to traffic.
That means before he made the video public, he had unlisted it and all the people who had the link of the video watched it first, hence comments are about 4 hours ago. TH-camrs unlisted their videos to give TH-cam time to check compliance. I stand corrected.
Not understand how something actually works is exactly how conspiracies get started. I’ve had people comment the same about views on numerous videos. It’s an evil TH-cam overlord manipulating vies for world domination, or something similar. 😋
In 1971, as a 7 year old, I flew out of and into Presque Isle on a Northeast Airlines (Yellowbird) 727, by myself. I flew to Logan to visit my grandparents.
Your videos are always a highlight of my day! Love how you bring something new and exciting each time. Really appreciate the hard work you put in. Thanks for being awesome and keeping it real!
I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to position a small, minimalist receiving station at the start of the runway (in the middle or on the side) and to calibrate it in order to permanently monitor the localizer. in the event of deviations, an automated alarm could be generated.
Additional information of note: (1) The designated Alternate destination airport, being more than 350 miles from the final destination on a flight with a primary route length of less than 800 miles, seems to have been chosen based on criteria other than the best location to land following missed attempts at the primary destination. Given that there's a minor mountain range known for awful weather between the two this probably isn't the smartest idea. (2) Those not familiar with New England geography are likely unaware that there are several adequately equipped airports closer to PQI than the choosen Alternate. Not designating one of the available much closer airports as an alternate beyond the first half of the flight ENHANCES the drive of "Get There-itis" to reach the original destination. One of Bangor, Portland, or Augusta (Maine) would have had a fully functioning ILS available and are all within 250 miles of the original destination as well as all being rather close to a major highway that also runs near PQI.
It is strange that this Localizer does not have a nearfield monitor antenna?, beacause 5ft of snow would cause nearfield monitor to detect faulty signal and cause hard alarm and shutdown llz transmitters.
Ok.. kamikoto knife’s I’m sure are wonderful but wether it is a high tech cutting device or an 1860’s chunk of railroad tie that it’s made from.. keep it sharp and it works
12:00 A brief explanation if you will--Many crews on this type of jet are aware of CDI scalloping on the LOC so they often fly LOC based approaches in FMS (magenta needles) mode until just before GS intercept. Usually, the further out from the antenna, the more scalloping occurs. It can result in some small S-turns around the center of the course until about 8-10 miles final, depending on the station. 14:25 The Pilot Controlled Lighting (PCL) should have been activated prior to beginning approach. You don't ask the Pilot Flying, you just do it. I wonder how else did the captain expect to see any of the approach or runway lighting? If the approach lighting comes into view on the approach, the crew can proceed to 100' above touchdown zone. They obviously never saw this. I will cede that an uncontrolled airport in snow conditions presents some additional difficulty. However, this is exactly what the procedures were designed for. There's a list of 10 things (runway lights, markings,, et al) that will allow an approach to continue below minimums, and they saw zero--both times. Yet they continued. They lost control of the aircraft twice in the go around as evidenced by the stick shaker and failure to climb (GPWS). They crashed into a glideslope antenna and crashed off-runway. It is very fortunate that no one was killed. This captain was by all accounts (official and otherwise) weak and should have never been upgraded. Multiple training failures are an early indicator of potential accidents. The Atlas crash in 2019 is another example of a crash caused by someone who should have been washed out of training. The SIC really should have called in sick, especially in regards to the CPAP issue. However, given his overly passive demeanor, I am not sure this would have changed the outcome significantly. I respect your point about CRM and speaking up when something is amiss, but there is another side of the coin. If the crew isn't competent enough to know that they shouldn't descend below Decision Height (twice!), then there is no real chance for meaningful CRM to exist in this case. It simply becomes alphabet lip service. The company covered itself legally by changing safety protocols and adding numerous callouts and procedures that do little to address the root causes.
Respectfully, when cutting with knife, fold your fingertips slightly as though starting to make a fist. If the knife slips the top of blade will glide against your fingers thereby preventing the cutting edge from nipping your finger tips, Also, I am a big fan. Great production valus.
So good that these people made it back to their homes safe! The pilot flying should of taken another missed approach and take the detour to back up air field.
These things happen when u take things lite 😊being an aviation guy i believe be focused and active during ur duty and there should be no compromise during working hours 😊 complete ur duty and enjoy ur time out or wherever whatever 😊
It's amazing how much info about this accident is available online. There is so much scrutiny. I mean I get it, peoples lives are at stake. But, i couldnt imagine trying to do my job with so much transparency. Anywayss...That wheel nearly pierced the sidewall and killed somebody. I saw a photo of the f uselage penetration points in the area of seat 24A. The aft, left side interior cabin wall panel seams weree distorted on both the forward (in the area of seat 23A) and aft sides (in the area behind seat 24A)
Yet another equipment failure flamed on the pilots. The pilots did make mistakes. But this like a lot of these other videos were due to either bad equipment, design or systems. But acknowledging that would cost corporations money while blaming Pilots does not
I love how you go back and say but the actual problem started Before this. may be a few flights may be a few days. Sounds like you're asking the 5 whys.
I was a travel nurse in the nearby hospital when this happened the doctor who was a local and a amateur pilot always called that airport a death trap lol
Your final comment hit home for me. I'm a truck driver and in our industry things are not as regulated nor mistakes properly investigated as yours. But mistakes do happen,.. All the time.. Things go bump in the night. Poor maintaining, driver fatigue or distraction. 'lazy' drivers transfer their workload to another driver. Blaming and shaming. Many of the same issues but without the resources available to address them. Damage is caused but the public is not aware. Interesting parallel. Timothy
This may sound a little odd but as an instructor / examiner for plant vehicles ( forklifts, telehandlers etc ) I have been surprised by how much of a cross over there is between my industry and the lessons learnt in these aircraft accidents. While the after effects are often less likely to be as bad in my industry the lessons learned are largely the same. Especially in this case.
As a former commander of pilots and PIC, I maintain that after ANY Go-Around, the Captain should take over flying the controls. Let the decision-making be there.
How about we have strong CAs not weak ones. How about the FO should have called in sick. According to your logic; you’re giving the plane to the weakest link. Horrible CRM.
As an A&P mechanic, I am afraid to fly anymore. Not because of a fear of mechanical problems, but instead, all of the human factor involved with Pilots, Ground Crews, ATC, and especially SOP's not being followed.
You might wanna look into your sponsor and maybe drop them.. They just got outed for selling cheap crap and scamming people with their other companies. Hopefully you are now aware of this.
@@MentourPilot good. I'd just be sceptical, with the shady history of their parent company and history. Could be that they send their "partners" quality items..
Fantastic episode and description of events. Similar to a recent video, the captain sounds like she shouldn’t be flying planes at all. It is concerning that pilots can still be flying, having failed so many tests. I guess they wouldn’t make it at larger commercial airlines, but those smaller regional airlines still carry plenty of lives in their hands. It’s another example of a completely avoidable accident and a miracle no-one was seriously injured or killed. Ask yourself this; if you knew the captain’s name and found out they would be flying you when you arrived at the airport, would you get on the plane?
The way we think about something is really weird nothing is taking seriously until an accident happens an then 6 months after that you forget about it again
I was told once that to often, the price for breaking the rules, is death. Which is rather grim, but these rules exist for a reason and in many cases are built on previous, often tragic experience. They got very lucky that the plane and pride was all that was damaged.
Aren't those the scam/cheap Chinese knives marketed as "hand crafted Japanese" knives? I see them and "Established Titles" being called out for fraud..
I used to joke I liked to fly this aircraft because I'm not lucky enough to become famous as the first fatality so it must be perfectly safe. That and I like puddle jumpers because you actually get to feel like you're flying.
@@forceawakens4449 Jumbo jets are luxurious and comfortable but so boring! Wouldn't even know you were flying if you didn't look out the window every now and then.
I wouldn't say these pilots are perfect, no pilots are, but I definitely wouldn't blame them completely for what happened here though we all know they could do better next time. (maybe you're talking about other pilots who have flown this plane horribly idk)
I wouldn't say these pilots are perfect, no pilots are, but I definitely wouldn't blame them completely for what happened here though we all know they could do better next time. (maybe you're talking about other pilots who have flown this plane horribly idk)
I certainly agree with the finding that the First Officer's fatigue was likely a factor. When I finally got a CPAP for sleep apnea I soon noticed that when I was driving I seemed to have a remarkable sense of traffic around me. In reality, it was normal situational awareness after years of driving in a fog. The devil of it is that it is hard to know when our awareness fades. Now I don't even take a short nap without it.
@@crimony3054 "All the blame goes to this one cause" is a classic safety error. Which is why you _never_ see that in an NTSB report, but only in TH-cam comments.
@@crimony3054 If the FO hadn't needed it, it would not have been prescribed. Compounding that was his partial recovery from flu and abbreviated sleep time. How much difference it made is uncertain, but it would be unreasonable to rule it out as a contributing factor without more info. Unless I missed something, the FO was Pilot Flying 7:16. The Captain was Pilot Monitoring.
Lack of CPAP when required reduces the quality of restorative sleep. It is amazing that is was not mandated for this pilot. It's like driving without your glasses.
As a EMB145 maintenance technician, I think the aircraft handled this accident like a champ. The gear sheared off as designed, but didn't quite end up fully departing the airplane. The nose absorbed the impact softening the shock to the passengers and crew. All in all I think the airplane did a fantastic job. It's just sad that we lost an XR, those are the pinnacle of 145's.
@@dann5480 unnecessary, rude, bigoted comment. Were you an engineer you’d know technicians have far better knowledge of what to actually do in emergencies while engineers (me included) have a tendency to be lost (pun intended) in the clouds of theory. Ill add that your comment shows a shameful lack of class. Distasteful.
Indeed. The best part of this accident: Nobody was killed and nobody was seriously injured - and the Passengers were at their planned destionation, too.
A friend of mine who used to fly F/16s for Royal Jordanian Air Force once told me about an accident where the aircraft lost its wing upon takeoff and pilot was killed just because the previous pilot had over-G the jet and didn’t report it. Lesson, If you see anything unusual report it because you saw it but the other person may not be able to see to.
In russia, if you break something, you have to pay for it with your own money. I remember reading last year about young russian military pilot who unintentionally tailstriked training aircraft on landing. After that he was expelled from army and the court imposed him to pay for all the damages many millions of rubles. Basically he will have to pay the rest of his life for one small mistake.
@@cdjxwubcyex wow many thanks to that guy for the damage! and btw, nobody from third-world countries with poor aviation regulations is watching so not that it would change much for them anyway. but if they try to, they may as well end up treated like that pro russian pilot(thanks again, maybe someone in this world has life spared thanks to his mistake).
Part of the problem is that it can be difficult to take responsibility and report such a thing, especially in countries where you would get all the blame and then get fired. At least that was a problem in the past in some Middle Eastern countries. And I'm not trying to be negative, it's just what aviation professionals in the region have told me.
In every episode, Petter does 'absolutely fantastic' emphasizing lessons to be learned. These lessons are not just for those in aviation. They apply to all aspects of life. I've recommended Petter's channel(s) to family members and friends for this reason, in addition to the compelling and entertaining way that Petter relates -- he creates suspense, maintains a respectful attitude toward all, and injects an element of humor when appropriate. Also, he's just an over-all nice guy and family man that I would love to have as my next-door neighbor. I've watched the production values of Mentour Pilot improve steadily over the years. I miss the old days, though, when one could count on unscripted appearances and antics by the pups on the black couch with the red and green pillows. I hope our furry friends are doing well.
@Lawrence Jordan, I agree with everything you said, and will add that he somehow creates the impression that he is telling me the story - just me, one-on-one, sitting in the living room or perhaps by the fireplace at the pub. It doesn't feel like a video created for thousands of viewers - it feels much more personal than that.
When I was doing my flight training, I was also working assisting on medivac flights. Knowing I was doing flight training, I was treated as a second officer type role - having my head in the flight at most times - even though I wasn't flying or part of the operating crew. I was included in the briefings before flights and during the flight itself - and the golden rule said specifically to me was "Just because you might think you're not qualified, if you ever see something that seems out of place, make sure you speak up and tell us. We'd rather confirm something isn't a problem than not notice a problem." One flight, when I was getting more familiar with the aircraft systems, I noticed that on a long flight over the ocean, that the fuel remaining estimate was about 1hr less than the flight duration. I mentioned this just after we came out of the 10,000ft sterile phase of flight and got a reply of "That's fine, we'll discuss it when we get to the cruise altitude". A bit later on in the flight, it was explained to me that the fuel computer only uses instantaneous fuel burn to calculate the time remaining, and was shown that now we were in the cruise stage of flight with a much lower fuel burn than the climb, we had at least 2 hours beyond the flight time of fuel onboard. This might sound simple, and routine, and like a rookie mistake - but the captain told me I did well to spot it - and that it was better to point it out and get a proper explanation than ignore it and nobody notices a mistake that would have caused us to have to ditch in the ocean. This is the perfect culture to foster in aviation - and should be encouraged no matter what type of flying you do. The realisation that aviation got this culture embedded into it from people not saying things and dying should be a sobering reminder of why things are the way they are.
I am not in the aviation industry. I remember there was an Airbus having a fuel leak but the crew opened the common fuel valve connecting the fuel tanks according to the manual. It was very lucky that it glided to land safely in an island that had the long enough airfield. I felt guilty as I had a chance to bring up this questionable, if not incorrect abnormal operating procedure, i.e. open the fuel common valve under this kind of situation. Also wondering why the computer did not alarm the crew that the fuel amount remain onboard was not enough for the remaining of the trip.
Many years ago when I was in flight school we were told that at the airlines the Captian was the boss and his word was law, and everyone else was to sit down and shut up. Then we studied wreaks that happened because the Captain refused to listen to the co pilot's concerns. Watching Petter and Kelsey, I am glad to see how that has changed.
@@d2009wong I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that you were on the flight in question, presumably seated in the cockpit for some reason, even though you're not in the aviation industry? If you were not in the cockpit, how would you have been able to observe the pilots performing the procedure that worried you, and that you said you had a chance to question, but did not? And if you weren't there in the cockpit to observe the procedure and to fail to question it, why would you feel guilty?
@@leisti I have been working in the marine commercial shipping industry for decades. Although in the mid-seventies there were some unattended machinery space ship designs, I imagine that the aviation standards were much higher. I worked on the Boeing Jetfoil in the eighties. Simply put, it is an advanced hydrofoil vessel adopting some airplane flight control surfaces system and a split-bus electrical system for normal operation. The operation manual was an eye opener for me. The abnormal operation procedure regarding tank level low alarm (including fuel tank and hydraulic tank) was to open the common valve. It didn't make sense to me, I think it was "wrong". I thought about bringing it up but didn't as I thought no one would listen to me. Years later, I watched in TV one of the Mayday episodes about an Airbus experienced a fuel leak (due to a wrong size fuel line clamp). The crew opened the common valve of the fuel tanks, following the manual's abnormal operation procedure (same as I had on the Boeing Jetfoil). Later all fuel tanks had low level and then all engines stopped working. Airbus amended this procedure after the incident. Luckily that plane landed without any injuries. I always wonder if it would make any difference had I brought it up then. I am glad that nowadays the standards in marine industry are getting higher and I would speak up for things that can help. Like for passenger ships, the regulation should require that a split bus electrical system for the normal operation. Similarly, if the rudder is so crucial for an airplane, why most of the commercial passenger airplanes are not of the twin tail/twin rudder design?
From the post-accident photos, it appears to me that the 5' of snow may have actually helped the aircraft come to a somewhat stable stop on the infield.
@@dominicklavarco6206 Well it's probably more apt to say the lack of effective mitigation measures for said snow was the root cause of the malfunction, being that the snow which stopped the plane was separate from the snow causing the equipment malfunction... However the irony in the situation isn't lost on me.
I worked in Law Enforcement (US). I love how you address company culture and root cause in your videos. I think LE could take a lot of good points away from aircraft incident investigations and regulations. An example is rest or down time. The department I worked for only required 8 hours between shifts. That is 8 hours from end to finish. There were times working a late shift that I would have to work 8, off 8, work 8, off 8, work 8 just to attend daytime training. Upper management never had to do this. There was a "we did our time, now you do yours" attitude. It created an unsafe environment. Armed officers driving around after days of inadequate sleep. I wish law enforcement in the US was as regulated as the airline industry. The only way it is really scrutinized is regarding racism and profiling. Yes that is important, but, like a pilot worked or stressed too hard with not enough rest, incidents are more likely to happen.
The railroad is the same way regarding rest. You get 8 hours of rest and it begins when you clock out. I had a two hour drive after clocking out, so now I am down to 6 hours of rest but they would give me a 2 hour call to get back to work which cuts rest down to 4 hours because I had to leave immediately when my call was received. I was low on Seniority so I didn't know where to move my family to. Sometimes I would drive 2 hours east to work and other times it was 2.5 hours north which made it stressful because was already half hour late for work when they would do this to me. The crew was always mad when I showed up and they were also rushed to leave which made it unsafe. I no longer work in the industry.
The real Kamikoto knife company of Japan is not associated with the Kamikoto company advertised here. The Japanese company only supplies to the Japanese domestic market and uses folded steel. The KK advertised here is a Chinese company which uses stamped steel which is not folded - it has nothing to do with the Japanese company.
They go blunt quick due to soft steel but he dont mention the folded steel part and such.. so its not missinformation in that way. I have seen worse claims when it comes to mobile games.
@@douglaswatters7303 From what I've seen, These Chinese knives are more expensive than the real deal, which confuses me. A proper quality Japanese Chef's knife isn't that expensive in Japan. Around 80-100USD. I have one for 10 years and it has no nicks and cuts.
It's really nice when everyone survives. Digging out a trench in the snow was an extra nice touch. I think I love these stories so much because half the time they're just about members of human society helping out other members of human society.
I mean it's not really a "touch", a lot of passengers just literally physically couldn't pass 5 foot snow and would have been trapped until they had done that.
A certain level of blame must be attributed to those others who flew in earlier, noticed the issue and failed to make a report... the system fails when EVERYONE doesn't do their job to the letter... thankfully, no deaths today... 😕
Some people in the FAA thought they was a issue on the system because of the snow, but was always shoot down. Also it not that unusual for landing lights at some small airport to be broken.
Damn right and would have produced a NOTAM about it. The F/O should have officially noted the scrambled lines on his instrumentation on previous flight and then problem solved it or at least properly prepared for it in the pre flight briefing I am a construction manager and far too many risky tasks go ahead with no briefing at all
This is why my instructor told me to speak up if anything doesn't feel right. "You're not a pilot yet, but if you ever feel like anything is unsafe or going wrong, speak up. You might notice something I don't." I always appreciated how my instructors always taught us to question everything. "If something doesn't look right, it isn't right. A go-around is free, sticking to it is the most expensive mistake you can make that has been commonly paid in blood."
First Officer's wife here. Sitting on jump seat behind Captain. Quiet as a church mouse. Listening on headset coming south down Long Island. Told cleared to land in pouring rain no sight of airfield. Hubby: "negative." Started banking to take the turn North. Crew looking out of window to the right; no airport in sight. For some reason I stopped looking out to the right and looked to my left. SHOCK HORROR another a/c alongside and mirroring our actions. Both a/c sinking. This was a 747:200 with engineer. I waved at him and pointed out the window. He unbuckled to see what I was indicating ... and spoke up.
Later...in the bar...Engineer tells me that they reported this near-miss, hubby stating that the Engineer noticed the a/c. "No, Peter. It was your wife! "
PS. No TCAS alert in this situation.
‘No matter how much experience someone has, don’t let them kill you.’
surely the most logical action on this landing would have been to divert to the other airport. They fueled up well for this possibility, but did not use it.
A go around isn't "free" as such, since it will use a bunch of fuel... But compared to death and the aircraft destroyed, I guess it's awful close to free.
you should have an april fools event where you make a full video about a flight that was completely fine and nothing happened
That's very funny !! :-)
This would not be funny at all...
@@ally3093 Ah but done correctly it could serve as a training video ASWELL as trolling the people who come here for 'so there was this accident-'
Formally an educational video about good practices and positive reinforcement for good performance on the pilots' part, and also teasing the youtube audience's morbid curiosity. I'd love it
That would be hysterical
I work at a large aviation repair facility and often pass along important suggestions about safety that I learn here. Who knows who may be having a bad day or because someone is new and in training. Often I followup with the question, "Would you feel safe to fly on the plane that you were a part of repairing?"
We now have a suggestion box to improve safety and award workers for going above and beyond. I'm going to suggest watching some of these videos that are shorter. If someone on the FPI line rejects a blade with a hairline crack and prevents a tragedy then this channel will have more impact than anyone would ever know.
Great job!
Final comment, if you see something wrong - say something. There's no points for being quiet.
Just noting that I love the longer-content format. If I want a brief summary, I can turn to Mayday Aviation 😂
It can actually backfire. Suppose if a passenger have some suspicion about something and tell crew about it and crew find it to be false that may put passenger in a very bad legal case.
This is why it is important to report issues no matter how small they seam. I am guilty of not raising issues with higher ups because 'they have enough to deal with' but now i see that a repot could be the difference between life and death
ILS localizer and glideslope have monitoring systems, separate little antennas called near field monitors that check the parameters to detect problems like this but seems like noone got the warning. With towered airports the ILS panel in the tower also shows these warnings. I worked on ILS maintenance for 5 years. The glideslope is insanely sensitive to ground conditions, even the grass has to be kept at certain heigth near the antenna because it uses ground reflection to form the 3 degree "beam". Localizer usually does not complain about the ground in front of the antennas, but yeah 5ft of snow did it. My airport never got more than 2 ft of snow
The closest untowered airport to where I live only has a grass runway, no lights, no ILS and is only open to general aviation.
Never would I have thought that there could be untowered international airports.
To be honest, 2m off centerline at thrrshold is a warning, 10m off, system goes to hot standby and if that has same warning... shuts off
@@psirvent8 I think KPQI is only technically a international airport, there are no regular flights to Canada, but you can check through for international GA ferry flights and such...
technically, I think there are airports which are a dirt strip and are yet occasionally used as international... Bara having a flight to Ireland once in a blue moon being the example I can immediately think of
@@psirvent8 "International" is a generous self-description of Presque Isle. It's pretty typical for a small GA field, but definitely not what would normally be considered an "international" airport in the sense of having scheduled international airline flights. You can probably get international air taxi operations from there just because it's so close to Canada (only about 75 miles,) but the whole airport only averages 20 flight operations per day with only 3 of those being commercial and those all being domestic, specifically, that flight to Newark and formerly one to IAD in Washington. It was formerly called Northern Maine Regional Airport, which seems like a much more reasonable name.
Some airport names have really gotten ridiculous. Like "Music City Executive Airport," which isn't in Music City (i.e. Nashville) or even in the same county. It's in Gallatin, about a 40-minute drive from Nashville... which already has both a GA reliever airport and a major international airport that are much closer than the self-described "executive" one. At least that one isn't nearly as egregious as "Orlando-Melbourne International Airport," which is in Melbourne, FL, more than a hour from downtown Orlando and nearly an hour and a half to Disney World (where most of the tourists to Orlando are going.)
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Cool video. I worked in forestry for 20 yrs and introduction of hazard and incident reporting prevented many injuries and saved a few lives. Thanks for highlighting this.
It was very uplifting to watch an episode without casualties. Your graphics are awesome! It must be much work in producing a video as this only on graphics. And it is done superb.
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I can't believe I haven't watched this video before today. I knew and loved that very plane when I flew it at XJT - I was a check pilot there for 20 years. We had a "no fault" go around policy. And I used to fly Metroliners into PQI in the early 1990s. Thanks for the video.
I work in IT and always speak out if something is wrong.
Infortunately in some toxic environments pointing out that somenthing is wrong is considered a misbehavior, like somebody that wants to work against "the system".
It's a common problem. The only place where I have worked where they took safety seriously was one where the CEO had had to tell a wife her husband had died in an accident at work early in his career. He said he never wanted to do that again and encouraged people to report safety issues. Every where else where I have worked you are the bogey man for reporting safety concerns.
Fantastic video. Good analysis. There was a lot of caution flying into that airport. 3 months prior, the runway maintenance crew improperly report braking action which almost caused a runway excursion. Greatly increased runway performance buffers and alternate rules came from that. Also got the feds involved.
I was unaware of the loc antenna clearance rules and their changes. That was very interesting to hear.
But with the weather, snow removal challenges, and a weaker captain it lined up all the cheese.
Fortunate no one was injured.
When I first heard of the incident that afternoon, I assumed it was an excursion because of previous runway reports being greatly inaccurate.
I’ll admit I didn’t have to check to see who the captain was….
Great analysis. Really intriguing accident, which I had always thought was a case of the a/c skidding off the runway until now (I remember seeing a photo of one of the main gear lodged in the left engine intake). Also a big relief that no one was seriously injured or killed. Interesting that they saw something very wrong (tower) with the first approach and decided to go around, and then saw the same again with the second approach but elected to try and "salvage" the approach and landing.
Thank you so much for creating these and breaking them down in as much detail as you do. Learn from someone else's mistakes so you don't have to figure out those lessons yourself the hard way.
Some fascinating parallels between this accident and Colgan 3407 ten years prior. To wit:
- Both Captains had serious blemishes on their records including check-ride failures citing poor judgement and weak skills, with each receiving disciplinary letters.
- Both First Officers commuted over 1,000 miles from their homes (Colgan FO in Washington state, Commutair FO from Florida) in the 24 hours prior to the accident flights.
- Both First Officers had recently been and/or were still sick on the day of their respective accidents
- Both First Officers, upon arriving at EWR on their commutes, were under-rested with each having gotten approx 4-5 hours of sleep before starting their duty day.
- Both departures were out of EWR during the winter months.
- Both flights attempted approaches in marginal conditions.
- Both Captains in particular exercised woeful judgement and poor CRM (Colgan being far worse).
Of course the outcomes are vastly different but only due to sheer luck on the part of the Commutair crew who managed not to stalll on the TOGA and didn’t collide with anything after they missed the runway during their bellyflop into the grass.
The captain was the one with the training blemishes. The FO was just tired and didn't have hours required to be a captain. What this shows is that exahastion is equivalent to training inadaquices. Yet people hop into their 2.5 ton suv death machines all the time while tired. I'm glad we have finally gotten rid of the time switch in the USA, even though they are leaving the switch in the wrong position.
Indeed. Seems to be while reading your list nothing was learned from the Colgan Air Crash. Unfortunately.
Most important difference: All People on board of this plane and also on the ground stayed alive.
I wouldn’t put so much emphasis on past failed sims and checks, especially so early in one’s career. If every sim is failed and repeated, or line flying shows dangerous habits or questionably decisions then that’s far more important when looking at an air crash like this one.
@@RowanHawkins There has been discussion about abolishing daylight saving time (DST) in the United States, but I did not realize that this had been implemented. I know Hawaii and Arizona do not observe DST, but to the best of my knowledge, the rest of the country still does. When will the time change stop being implemented?
Notes: ASAP reports, Aviation Safety Action Program, are automatically forwarded to the FAA and do not remain internal to the airline. A factor not listed, and never listed, is the pressure pilots feel from their companies to complete a flight. This culture of pressure is real, and prevalent. Seasoned pilots are less susceptible to this phenomenon of pilot pushing, however, younger less experienced pilots may show less resistance to pilot pushing and a sense of "completing the mission" rather than adhere to procedure. As the industry begins to fill up with newly minted pilots during the rush to fill pilot seats, new pilots need to learn from accidents. A nice breakdown MP. Lesson: There is no mission to complete; stick to procedures.
Thank you for another Great video , good information . Wow your son is growing since last time i saw him on your video , smile you will live thru the teenage years , i survived 3 of them . Be safe Mentour Pilot and family .
I ride in these all the time. I've always felt safe and never had any concerns. Doesn't look like the jet was the problem here.
There's a lot less to go wrong with them too!
Be aware - Kamikoto Knives was just exposed as a scam. They use extremely LOW grade "Japanese steel" for their knives that are made in China. Their "headquarters" was until recently a hotel room. Now it's some office (single) in a huge office building. They're owned by a company that was exposed for selling scam "royal titles" a few months ago. Love your channel and watch all the time, hate to see you falling for this scam advertiser!
Famous last words : "Who built a stupid wind sensor pole just before my runway ?"
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I am reminded of a policy among some personnel I work with: "It's not broke until it's good and broke" which has resulted in avoidably expensive downtime.
Reminds me of something an old boss used to say to people
"you complain that you're too busy to take your time and do it properly, but you're never so busy that you don't have the time to do it all again"
I once worked for a sewn products company that wouldn't allow the mechanics to do routine overhauls of our sewing machines. So, instead, we had routine breakdowns instead, often several times a week.
A different company let the same lead mechanic do regular maintenance on the sewing machines even if that meant idling a sewer for an hour, and had so few mechanical issues that the mechanic took over shipping/receiving because he had so few repairs to do.
@@nevilleneville6518 my version of that on a different job was "you don't have time to do it right, but now I'll have to find time to do it over."
In my current department, it's "if it's not happening to everyone, it's not our problem." -- A consequence of the majority of teams now working from home!
I wonder if the deep snow helped cushion the impact and prevent a breakup of the aircraft. Thankful everyone was able to walk away from it.
Certainly deep snow would be a better "brake" than an icy runway, and more consistent too in terms of keeping the plane on a reasonably straight course while slowing down
Fantastic video on many levels! Have always liked your videos but this one earned my subscription. So many great lessons to learn from this event and you highlighted them great with an amazing presentation
I love this channel!! Your technical explanations are fantastic, but the real gem is how you are able to weave it together with the human/communication side... even most technical errors in the end seem to be communciation-based (including corrupt practices and cultures where deference is a thing), such as the Royal Air Maroc one where they weren't recording technical failures properly and the maintenance crews were unable to locate the exact cause of the malfunctions.
I *hate* that so many pilots didn't report the localiser not working correctly. I work with software and saw some cases in the past where I would see a bug for the first time and then hear from users "well, we had this happen before but we have this (very complicated) process to work around it". And I'm like ??? Did you tell anyone? How things can be fixed when no one let us know about it in the first place? O_O There's monitoring but things slip and will continue to slip through it.
Report bugs you see, people, in software and in real life - it's worth it even if all you get back is "we are aware and working on solution".
Excellent work man, thank you for your work and your team's work. Great devotion to piloting, I think I'll know more than my pilots next time I fly.
Its a worry actually that the captain was given that status after her clearly having failed not once but on another occasion also to meet the requirements for the rank. To add this, the co pilot also showed hesitations, and clearly required more assistance with the aircraft and associated systems. More than the failure of the ILS system, in my personal view pilot error was THE factor that caused this accident which fortunately did not end in any fatality or serious injury.
I was thinking the same thing.
Love this playlist, helps me get through the day & I listen to a few videos fall asleep then wake up with you still talking so listen some more. On my 3rd loop round the playlist.
Love the animation at 26:23 - The Passenger on their evening Stroll! :D
It's confusing why the pilot who had just a few days earlier experienced a problem with the I.L.S system and still relied on it to land this aircraft. The first approach indicated that the plane was in perfect alignment with the centerline of the runway, but clearly the flight crew encountered the tower and should have instantly known that the I.L.S system was in error and should not have been trusted. Why then would they make a second approach and completely rely on a system that any reasonable person would have concluded was inaccurate. It's definitely a miracle that no one was killed by this incident that never should have happened in the first place. Both of these pilots should pursue alternative careers!
Amazing and a brilliant Guy!!! I used to be in the General Aviation-Operations Jet Centre at London City Airport and I am glued to watching your channel....
as an interaction designer (information tech) and university teacher, highly appreciate and love the visual/graphical explanations. thumbs up!
Someone once said "if in doubt, go around". Sorry, can't remember who said it. I think this should be how every instructor trains their pilots. And a policy that is adopted by every airline. Also, I believe that them failing to recognize the inaccurate ILS signal and switching to the alternative which was proven to be correct could have at least put them on the runway. But they should have still gone around. Also, how much would it cost to install heating elements onto the runway to make sure the runway is just warm enough that snow can't stick to it?
Prohibitivly expensive. So you heat the runway, but where does the water go? Into a drain that also needs to be heated. What about the taxi surfaces and gates? You are talking flooding quantities of water here. 5 inches of water equivalent from one storm and its going to Freeze into a sheet of ice as soon as its away from the area. The best solution is to not let it get warm enough to melt. Then it wont stick and can just be blown and swept off. Once snow gets an ice crust, that insulates the snow below it from melting unless it is drastically warmer.
I learn all my best flight technics from watching your show, since Air Crash Investigation & a good laugh. I guess nobody's perfect but does help. Thank You
It amazes me how the aviation industry seems to lag the cautiousness of normal industry. The ILS system used here has been used since the outbreak of WWII and closeness of objects and amount of snow around the localizer antennas has not been tested properly. It took 80 years to realize how snow affected the signals. The concept of fatigue also took the aviation industry a lot of time to grasp - according to your Hawaii video. I also wonder why the VHF radios used in planes are a lower quality than the VHF radios used in ships and boats. I'm 66 years old and have been flying as a passenger some hundred times since 1976. Watching your videos has taught me that the knowledge in the aviation industry is much lower than we have been told. I will prefer train and ships in the future when it's possible. Thank you.
Thank you Mentour Though I am not a pilot or in the aviation industry. I learn much from your videos. I am a professional carpenter and remodeling skills. I always appreciate craftsman of any profession. If I ever need to be available during a flight. I believe your information could be the difference between life and death. Lord bless you and please stay safe and encouraged to continue your videos.✝️👼🙏
Getting little tips like these videos do. If I already know these it's okay to get refreshed again. When I read NTSB's reports. I hope to learn from these so I dont find myself on a NTSB report someday.
At 3:28 in your video, there is a diagram for the glide path signals. The 150Hz modulation should be shown as the the lower lobe on the diagram.
I'm curious as to the captain's future. She seems to be struggling overall, in testing as well as application.
SHE'LL be at United!!!
A good example of the need to go-around if ANYTHING is suspicious. Yes you´ll lose time and fuel. But if you have this time or fuel(or running engines and controls), then this time is worth less than everybodys security.
3:17 - 3:20 we have an anomalous runway spuriously marked 12 at one end and 23 at the other end. 😃 Actual runway numbers always differ by 18 (that is, 180°); thus, it should be either 05/23 or 12/30.
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Kamikoto knives are a scam. The company listed on the Facebook page is a Chinese company registered in Hong Kong and the only connection to Japan is a Japanese hotel they list. It's made with cheap 420 steel which is a low grade budget steel use in budget knives. It's likely it was manufactured in China with some cheap Chinese steel made from recycled scrap metal. This is junk. You will never see real Japanese honshu steel knives selling for up to 80% off.
Hi Pettier, this incident of confirmation bias runs very true to me. I was at RAF Wittering in 1985 when two F-104S broke clean over base. They'd actually been inbound to RAF Cottesmore and had been visual with Wittering rather than Cottesmore. They had obviously mistaken Wittering for Cottesmore and had taken vectors from Cottesmore radar. yet seeing Wittering they perceived it was Cottesmore. Not being familiar with the bases, caused the confusion. Luckily Wittering was closed to traffic.
How do you release a video NOW but somebody commented 4 HOURS ago???
Patreon can view early!
That means before he made the video public, he had unlisted it and all the people who had the link of the video watched it first, hence comments are about 4 hours ago. TH-camrs unlisted their videos to give TH-cam time to check compliance. I stand corrected.
Time traveller...
My Patreon crew always gets a preview.
Not understand how something actually works is exactly how conspiracies get started. I’ve had people comment the same about views on numerous videos. It’s an evil TH-cam overlord manipulating vies for world domination, or something similar. 😋
In 1971, as a 7 year old, I flew out of and into Presque Isle on a Northeast Airlines (Yellowbird) 727, by myself. I flew to Logan to visit my grandparents.
Well narrated. Even us non pilots could follow the issues involved in this event.
Your videos are always a highlight of my day! Love how you bring something new and exciting each time. Really appreciate the hard work you put in. Thanks for being awesome and keeping it real!
I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to position a small, minimalist receiving station at the start of the runway (in the middle or on the side) and to calibrate it in order to permanently monitor the localizer. in the event of deviations, an automated alarm could be generated.
1:54 I may be wrong. But I'm pretty sure Alitalia doesn't operate a flight to rural Maine.
Pilots who BELIEFE to see something are at the edge of death.
I'd love if you did an analysis of air inter 148
Additional information of note:
(1) The designated Alternate destination airport, being more than 350 miles from the final destination on a flight with a primary route length of less than 800 miles, seems to have been chosen based on criteria other than the best location to land following missed attempts at the primary destination. Given that there's a minor mountain range known for awful weather between the two this probably isn't the smartest idea.
(2) Those not familiar with New England geography are likely unaware that there are several adequately equipped airports closer to PQI than the choosen Alternate. Not designating one of the available much closer airports as an alternate beyond the first half of the flight ENHANCES the drive of "Get There-itis" to reach the original destination. One of Bangor, Portland, or Augusta (Maine) would have had a fully functioning ILS available and are all within 250 miles of the original destination as well as all being rather close to a major highway that also runs near PQI.
It is strange that this Localizer does not have a nearfield monitor antenna?, beacause 5ft of snow would cause nearfield monitor to detect faulty signal and cause hard alarm and shutdown llz transmitters.
Embraer never disappointing in it's safety. So proud!
Hi Peter.. love your content...
Can you cover some helicopter incident/ accident.. not the more common/known about ones... Please..
Ok.. kamikoto knife’s I’m sure are wonderful but wether it is a high tech cutting device or an 1860’s chunk of railroad tie that it’s made from.. keep it sharp and it works
12:00 A brief explanation if you will--Many crews on this type of jet are aware of CDI scalloping on the LOC so they often fly LOC based approaches in FMS (magenta needles) mode until just before GS intercept. Usually, the further out from the antenna, the more scalloping occurs. It can result in some small S-turns around the center of the course until about 8-10 miles final, depending on the station.
14:25 The Pilot Controlled Lighting (PCL) should have been activated prior to beginning approach. You don't ask the Pilot Flying, you just do it. I wonder how else did the captain expect to see any of the approach or runway lighting? If the approach lighting comes into view on the approach, the crew can proceed to 100' above touchdown zone. They obviously never saw this.
I will cede that an uncontrolled airport in snow conditions presents some additional difficulty. However, this is exactly what the procedures were designed for.
There's a list of 10 things (runway lights, markings,, et al) that will allow an approach to continue below minimums, and they saw zero--both times. Yet they continued. They lost control of the aircraft twice in the go around as evidenced by the stick shaker and failure to climb (GPWS).
They crashed into a glideslope antenna and crashed off-runway. It is very fortunate that no one was killed. This captain was by all accounts (official and otherwise) weak and should have never been upgraded. Multiple training failures are an early indicator of potential accidents. The Atlas crash in 2019 is another example of a crash caused by someone who should have been washed out of training.
The SIC really should have called in sick, especially in regards to the CPAP issue. However, given his overly passive demeanor, I am not sure this would have changed the outcome significantly.
I respect your point about CRM and speaking up when something is amiss, but there is another side of the coin. If the crew isn't competent enough to know that they shouldn't descend below Decision Height (twice!), then there is no real chance for meaningful CRM to exist in this case. It simply becomes alphabet lip service. The company covered itself legally by changing safety protocols and adding numerous callouts and procedures that do little to address the root causes.
A miracle that this incident ended with only minor injuries!
Respectfully, when cutting with knife, fold your fingertips slightly as though starting to make a fist. If the knife slips the top of blade will glide against your fingers thereby preventing the cutting edge from nipping your finger tips, Also, I am a big fan. Great production valus.
You are great my man... Good job!
Nicely done. Great explanations and graphics.
We have a lake house in PI. we always fly into Bangor as we enjoy the casino before the trek up north.
Outstanding content, thank you very much.
Lots of great reminders in this analysis!
So good that these people made it back to their homes safe! The pilot flying should of taken another missed approach and take the detour to back up air field.
These things happen when u take things lite 😊being an aviation guy i believe be focused and active during ur duty and there should be no compromise during working hours 😊 complete ur duty and enjoy ur time out or wherever whatever 😊
Thanks Mentour, always super well explained.
It's amazing how much info about this accident is available online. There is so much scrutiny. I mean I get it, peoples lives are at stake. But, i couldnt imagine trying to do my job with so much transparency. Anywayss...That wheel nearly pierced the sidewall and killed somebody. I saw a photo of the f uselage penetration points in the area of seat 24A.
The aft, left side interior cabin wall panel seams weree distorted on both the forward (in the area of seat 23A) and aft sides (in the area behind seat 24A)
Thanks for an interesting and insightful story.
I’d like you to do an episode about the UPS crash that happened in Birmingham Alabama some time around 2013
Yet another equipment failure flamed on the pilots. The pilots did make mistakes. But this like a lot of these other videos were due to either bad equipment, design or systems. But acknowledging that would cost corporations money while blaming Pilots does not
I love how you go back and say but the actual problem started Before this. may be a few flights may be a few days. Sounds like you're asking the 5 whys.
I've been flying since I was 12 years old I love your Channel
I was a travel nurse in the nearby hospital when this happened the doctor who was a local and a amateur pilot always called that airport a death trap lol
Your final comment hit home for me. I'm a truck driver and in our industry things are not as regulated nor mistakes properly investigated as yours. But mistakes do happen,.. All the time.. Things go bump in the night.
Poor maintaining, driver fatigue or distraction. 'lazy' drivers transfer their workload to another driver. Blaming and shaming.
Many of the same issues but without the resources available to address them.
Damage is caused but the public is not aware.
Interesting parallel.
Timothy
I remember hearing about this. I was within my first year of being a aircraft mechanic. Always wondered how’d this happened
This may sound a little odd but as an instructor / examiner for plant vehicles ( forklifts, telehandlers etc ) I have been surprised by how much of a cross over there is between my industry and the lessons learnt in these aircraft accidents. While the after effects are often less likely to be as bad in my industry the lessons learned are largely the same. Especially in this case.
Wonderful what Swiss Cheese will do!
As a former commander of pilots and PIC, I maintain that after ANY Go-Around, the Captain should take over flying the controls. Let the decision-making be there.
How about we have strong CAs not weak ones. How about the FO should have called in sick. According to your logic; you’re giving the plane to the weakest link. Horrible CRM.
Sometimes the opposite switch is appropriate if the captain abilities are diminished by or before the situation.
As an A&P mechanic, I am afraid to fly anymore. Not because of a fear of mechanical problems, but instead, all of the human factor involved with Pilots, Ground Crews, ATC, and especially SOP's not being followed.
You might wanna look into your sponsor and maybe drop them.. They just got outed for selling cheap crap and scamming people with their other companies.
Hopefully you are now aware of this.
I’m looking into this but I’m quite surprised as I’ve been using their knives for the last 8 months and been very happy with them. 🤔
@@MentourPilot good. I'd just be sceptical, with the shady history of their parent company and history.
Could be that they send their "partners" quality items..
@@MentourPilot they aren't necessarily a scam per say... but their parent company runs several scams such as "Established Titles"
Fantastic episode and description of events. Similar to a recent video, the captain sounds like she shouldn’t be flying planes at all. It is concerning that pilots can still be flying, having failed so many tests. I guess they wouldn’t make it at larger commercial airlines, but those smaller regional airlines still carry plenty of lives in their hands. It’s another example of a completely avoidable accident and a miracle no-one was seriously injured or killed. Ask yourself this; if you knew the captain’s name and found out they would be flying you when you arrived at the airport, would you get on the plane?
Thank you for good lessons.
The way we think about something is really weird nothing is taking seriously until an accident happens an then 6 months after that you forget about it again
I was told once that to often, the price for breaking the rules, is death.
Which is rather grim, but these rules exist for a reason and in many cases are built on previous, often tragic experience. They got very lucky that the plane and pride was all that was damaged.
I am surprised Petter didn’t take a harder line on these pilots. They were reckless. All they had to do was respect the minima
Aren't those the scam/cheap Chinese knives marketed as "hand crafted Japanese" knives? I see them and "Established Titles" being called out for fraud..
I had no idea Alitalia fly CRJ’s into Presque Isle in Maine 😅
Where did you receive your initial flight training? Pro-pilot training school or an FBO?
The fact that there were no fatalities here is a miracle in itself
The Embraer 145 is a super little jet, which continues to avoid killing its first passenger, despite the best efforts of some pilots!
I used to joke I liked to fly this aircraft because I'm not lucky enough to become famous as the first fatality so it must be perfectly safe.
That and I like puddle jumpers because you actually get to feel like you're flying.
@@JohnVanderbeckthe feeling of flying is real, the pilots whip these little things around!
@@forceawakens4449 Jumbo jets are luxurious and comfortable but so boring! Wouldn't even know you were flying if you didn't look out the window every now and then.
I wouldn't say these pilots are perfect, no pilots are, but I definitely wouldn't blame them completely for what happened here though we all know they could do better next time. (maybe you're talking about other pilots who have flown this plane horribly idk)
I wouldn't say these pilots are perfect, no pilots are, but I definitely wouldn't blame them completely for what happened here though we all know they could do better next time. (maybe you're talking about other pilots who have flown this plane horribly idk)
I certainly agree with the finding that the First Officer's fatigue was likely a factor. When I finally got a CPAP for sleep apnea I soon noticed that when I was driving I seemed to have a remarkable sense of traffic around me. In reality, it was normal situational awareness after years of driving in a fog. The devil of it is that it is hard to know when our awareness fades. Now I don't even take a short nap without it.
Sure, you need it. The FO might not have needed it. It's all the Captains fault for pushing past objective safety boundaries.
@@crimony3054 "All the blame goes to this one cause" is a classic safety error. Which is why you _never_ see that in an NTSB report, but only in TH-cam comments.
@@crimony3054 If the FO hadn't needed it, it would not have been prescribed. Compounding that was his partial recovery from flu and abbreviated sleep time. How much difference it made is uncertain, but it would be unreasonable to rule it out as a contributing factor without more info. Unless I missed something, the FO was Pilot Flying 7:16. The Captain was Pilot Monitoring.
Lack of CPAP when required reduces the quality of restorative sleep. It is amazing that is was not mandated for this pilot. It's like driving without your glasses.
Sleep apnea kills your brain by boiling frog effect
As a EMB145 maintenance technician, I think the aircraft handled this accident like a champ. The gear sheared off as designed, but didn't quite end up fully departing the airplane. The nose absorbed the impact softening the shock to the passengers and crew. All in all I think the airplane did a fantastic job. It's just sad that we lost an XR, those are the pinnacle of 145's.
Technician, not an engineer.
@@dann5480 unnecessary, rude, bigoted comment. Were you an engineer you’d know technicians have far better knowledge of what to actually do in emergencies while engineers (me included) have a tendency to be lost (pun intended) in the clouds of theory. Ill add that your comment shows a shameful lack of class. Distasteful.
@@dann5480 what the hell does that mean? If you don't have faith in the knowledge or skill of maintenance techs, I would stay off aircraft.
@@dann5480 So what? His opinion is also relevant. What is your relevant opinion about the case?
Indeed. The best part of this accident: Nobody was killed and nobody was seriously injured - and the Passengers were at their planned destionation, too.
A friend of mine who used to fly F/16s for Royal Jordanian Air Force once told me about an accident where the aircraft lost its wing upon takeoff and pilot was killed just because the previous pilot had over-G the jet and didn’t report it. Lesson, If you see anything unusual report it because you saw it but the other person may not be able to see to.
In russia, if you break something, you have to pay for it with your own money. I remember reading last year about young russian military pilot who unintentionally tailstriked training aircraft on landing. After that he was expelled from army and the court imposed him to pay for all the damages many millions of rubles. Basically he will have to pay the rest of his life for one small mistake.
@@cdjxwubcyex wow many thanks to that guy for the damage! and btw, nobody from third-world countries with poor aviation regulations is watching so not that it would change much for them anyway. but if they try to, they may as well end up treated like that pro russian pilot(thanks again, maybe someone in this world has life spared thanks to his mistake).
Over-G is very, very dangerous. Always report it, no matter if you are the junior pilot.
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I doubt it
Part of the problem is that it can be difficult to take responsibility and report such a thing, especially in countries where you would get all the blame and then get fired. At least that was a problem in the past in some Middle Eastern countries. And I'm not trying to be negative, it's just what aviation professionals in the region have told me.
In every episode, Petter does 'absolutely fantastic' emphasizing lessons to be learned. These lessons are not just for those in aviation. They apply to all aspects of life. I've recommended Petter's channel(s) to family members and friends for this reason, in addition to the compelling and entertaining way that Petter relates -- he creates suspense, maintains a respectful attitude toward all, and injects an element of humor when appropriate. Also, he's just an over-all nice guy and family man that I would love to have as my next-door neighbor.
I've watched the production values of Mentour Pilot improve steadily over the years. I miss the old days, though, when one could count on unscripted appearances and antics by the pups on the black couch with the red and green pillows. I hope our furry friends are doing well.
Yeah, I hope the dogs are doing well!🐕🐕
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I was just thinking about them!
This comment is absolutely fantastic!
I love how he emphasizes why the mistakes were made. Not just pilot error and move on. It's confirmation bias combined with other factors.
@Lawrence Jordan, I agree with everything you said, and will add that he somehow creates the impression that he is telling me the story - just me, one-on-one, sitting in the living room or perhaps by the fireplace at the pub. It doesn't feel like a video created for thousands of viewers - it feels much more personal than that.
When I was doing my flight training, I was also working assisting on medivac flights. Knowing I was doing flight training, I was treated as a second officer type role - having my head in the flight at most times - even though I wasn't flying or part of the operating crew. I was included in the briefings before flights and during the flight itself - and the golden rule said specifically to me was "Just because you might think you're not qualified, if you ever see something that seems out of place, make sure you speak up and tell us. We'd rather confirm something isn't a problem than not notice a problem."
One flight, when I was getting more familiar with the aircraft systems, I noticed that on a long flight over the ocean, that the fuel remaining estimate was about 1hr less than the flight duration. I mentioned this just after we came out of the 10,000ft sterile phase of flight and got a reply of "That's fine, we'll discuss it when we get to the cruise altitude". A bit later on in the flight, it was explained to me that the fuel computer only uses instantaneous fuel burn to calculate the time remaining, and was shown that now we were in the cruise stage of flight with a much lower fuel burn than the climb, we had at least 2 hours beyond the flight time of fuel onboard.
This might sound simple, and routine, and like a rookie mistake - but the captain told me I did well to spot it - and that it was better to point it out and get a proper explanation than ignore it and nobody notices a mistake that would have caused us to have to ditch in the ocean. This is the perfect culture to foster in aviation - and should be encouraged no matter what type of flying you do. The realisation that aviation got this culture embedded into it from people not saying things and dying should be a sobering reminder of why things are the way they are.
I am not in the aviation industry. I remember there was an Airbus having a fuel leak but the crew opened the common fuel valve connecting the fuel tanks according to the manual. It was very lucky that it glided to land safely in an island that had the long enough airfield. I felt guilty as I had a chance to bring up this questionable, if not incorrect abnormal operating procedure, i.e. open the fuel common valve under this kind of situation. Also wondering why the computer did not alarm the crew that the fuel amount remain onboard was not enough for the remaining of the trip.
Many years ago when I was in flight school we were told that at the airlines the Captian was the boss and his word was law, and everyone else was to sit down and shut up. Then we studied wreaks that happened because the Captain refused to listen to the co pilot's concerns. Watching Petter and Kelsey, I am glad to see how that has changed.
@@d2009wong I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that you were on the flight in question, presumably seated in the cockpit for some reason, even though you're not in the aviation industry? If you were not in the cockpit, how would you have been able to observe the pilots performing the procedure that worried you, and that you said you had a chance to question, but did not? And if you weren't there in the cockpit to observe the procedure and to fail to question it, why would you feel guilty?
CRC, you were part of a very good crew.
@@leisti I have been working in the marine commercial shipping industry for decades. Although in the mid-seventies there were some unattended machinery space ship designs, I imagine that the aviation standards were much higher. I worked on the Boeing Jetfoil in the eighties. Simply put, it is an advanced hydrofoil vessel adopting some airplane flight control surfaces system and a split-bus electrical system for normal operation. The operation manual was an eye opener for me. The abnormal operation procedure regarding tank level low alarm (including fuel tank and hydraulic tank) was to open the common valve. It didn't make sense to me, I think it was "wrong". I thought about bringing it up but didn't as I thought no one would listen to me. Years later, I watched in TV one of the Mayday episodes about an Airbus experienced a fuel leak (due to a wrong size fuel line clamp). The crew opened the common valve of the fuel tanks, following the manual's abnormal operation procedure (same as I had on the Boeing Jetfoil). Later all fuel tanks had low level and then all engines stopped working. Airbus amended this procedure after the incident. Luckily that plane landed without any injuries. I always wonder if it would make any difference had I brought it up then.
I am glad that nowadays the standards in marine industry are getting higher and I would speak up for things that can help. Like for passenger ships, the regulation should require that a split bus electrical system for the normal operation.
Similarly, if the rudder is so crucial for an airplane, why most of the commercial passenger airplanes are not of the twin tail/twin rudder design?
From the post-accident photos, it appears to me that the 5' of snow may have actually helped the aircraft come to a somewhat stable stop on the infield.
Most likely, yes
Thank God for small miracles I guess.
@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 Yeah. The snowy weather caused the incident and also prevented a worse result. Odd isn’t it?
@@dominicklavarco6206 Well it's probably more apt to say the lack of effective mitigation measures for said snow was the root cause of the malfunction, being that the snow which stopped the plane was separate from the snow causing the equipment malfunction... However the irony in the situation isn't lost on me.
As a Local to PI, sounds about right. Lol
I worked in Law Enforcement (US). I love how you address company culture and root cause in your videos. I think LE could take a lot of good points away from aircraft incident investigations and regulations. An example is rest or down time. The department I worked for only required 8 hours between shifts. That is 8 hours from end to finish. There were times working a late shift that I would have to work 8, off 8, work 8, off 8, work 8 just to attend daytime training. Upper management never had to do this. There was a "we did our time, now you do yours" attitude. It created an unsafe environment. Armed officers driving around after days of inadequate sleep. I wish law enforcement in the US was as regulated as the airline industry. The only way it is really scrutinized is regarding racism and profiling. Yes that is important, but, like a pilot worked or stressed too hard with not enough rest, incidents are more likely to happen.
The railroad is the same way regarding rest. You get 8 hours of rest and it begins when you clock out. I had a two hour drive after clocking out, so now I am down to 6 hours of rest but they would give me a 2 hour call to get back to work which cuts rest down to 4 hours because I had to leave immediately when my call was received. I was low on Seniority so I didn't know where to move my family to. Sometimes I would drive 2 hours east to work and other times it was 2.5 hours north which made it stressful because was already half hour late for work when they would do this to me. The crew was always mad when I showed up and they were also rushed to leave which made it unsafe. I no longer work in the industry.
@@BradySzabo Railways in the UK has a Minimum 12 hour break for these reasons.
That job always had me on edge, exhausted and nervous. I felt like they owned me.@@andrewcoupe9528
@BradySzabo that's insane. Hey, I'm working with large machines that can cause real havoc. Meh, don't need rest.
I agree. We need to support and watch law enforcement
The real Kamikoto knife company of Japan is not associated with the Kamikoto company advertised here. The Japanese company only supplies to the Japanese domestic market and uses folded steel. The KK advertised here is a Chinese company which uses stamped steel which is not folded - it has nothing to do with the Japanese company.
There are many videos on this knife scam.
It's nothing to do with folding it is the composition of steel used which is not appropriate for hard edges.
They go blunt quick due to soft steel but he dont mention the folded steel part and such.. so its not missinformation in that way. I have seen worse claims when it comes to mobile games.
Hey, you're getting 50 bucks off. So what the knives are cheap knockoffs. When you get a Rolex for $60 bucks you don't expect that to be real, do you?
@@douglaswatters7303 From what I've seen, These Chinese knives are more expensive than the real deal, which confuses me. A proper quality Japanese Chef's knife isn't that expensive in Japan. Around 80-100USD. I have one for 10 years and it has no nicks and cuts.
It's really nice when everyone survives. Digging out a trench in the snow was an extra nice touch. I think I love these stories so much because half the time they're just about members of human society helping out other members of human society.
I mean it's not really a "touch", a lot of passengers just literally physically couldn't pass 5 foot snow and would have been trapped until they had done that.
A certain level of blame must be attributed to those others who flew in earlier, noticed the issue and failed to make a report... the system fails when EVERYONE doesn't do their job to the letter... thankfully, no deaths today... 😕
All the blame is on the previous pilots. I hope they got reprimanded.
"See something, say something" is such an important rule in so many careers where mistakes can cause catastrophy.
Some people in the FAA thought they was a issue on the system because of the snow, but was always shoot down.
Also it not that unusual for landing lights at some small airport to be broken.
Totally agree
Damn right and would have produced a NOTAM about it. The F/O should have officially noted the scrambled lines on his instrumentation on previous flight and then problem solved it or at least properly prepared for it in the pre flight briefing
I am a construction manager and far too many risky tasks go ahead with no briefing at all