I agree with your statement that civil wars are usually more interesting than foreign ones. Another bonus is that the historian that writes about it during the time typically has excellent information about the motivations, resources and troop numbers of both sides because there is no cultural and linguistic divide between the opposing sides and because a lot of the defeated faction will be reintegrated into society once the dust has settled.
I know that you may not trust Islamic sources, but all accounts say that Uthman didn’t resist or order his companions to protect or attack the rebels because he knew that he would be murdered since the Prophet told him personally & it was also public knowledge that he would be martyred. So from his point of view he’s 100% going to die so there’s no point in putting the other companions of the prophet in danger if the outcome would be the same. Another thing the video doesn’t clarify that well is that the rebels far outnumbered the companions & people of Medina, that’s why Ali didn’t want to avenge Uthman immediately since the rebels could deal even more damage. He wanted the matter to settle & the rebels feel safe so they go home & then he could deal with them.
I think it's important to point out that Ali's side and forces were very reluctant to engage in fighting with Aisha because she is regarded as one of the 'Mother of the Believers.' This is a title given to all the wives of the prophet by Allah and is mentioned in the Quran. The wives are seen as the mothers of all Muslims which was also why no-one was allowed to marry them after the death of the prophet. The people are also not allowed to look upon the mothers. They would communicate with others behind barrier or veil in their houses and always wore full headress when outside. The only people who can see them are 'mahram' which means relatives a Muslim cannot marry (e.g. father, grandfather, father-in-law, stepsons, nephews. Cousins are not included as one is allowed to marry them). It's also important to note that Aisha was a respected figure, not just because she was the widow of the prophet and the daughter of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, but also because she was a respected scholar. She knew the Quran better than anyone and is the narrator of a great many hadiths. She was also the favourite wife of the prophet (minus Khadijah, the mother of the prophet's children, who had died during the prophet's lifetime before he fled to Medina. He had been monogamously married to her). Hadiths and sources say Aisha regretted her involvement the first fintah greatly and would repent for her sins to Allah. She retired from political life afterwards and focussed on teaching the next generations of Muslims.
For the mother of believer part, she is only the mother for the believing men, not the woman. I remember a hadith where Aisha said this, though feel free to correct me if the hadith is weak. Also I haven't been able to find any resources where Aisha repented for what she did, if you could provide those, I'd be thankful.
@iceycones654 - the Quran calls Aisha and the wives of the prophets as the Mother of the Believers. The Quran outranks any hadith. So the hadith you probably saw is false. Or the hadith you saw may be the prophet explaining it is not permissable for any man to marry any of the prophet's wives after he died.
@@icechoc Ah I see, if I remember correctly, it was explaining how it was impermissible for men to marry them, though it doesn't apply to woman, though woman on woman marriages didn't happen at those times so that's probably why the woman were exempted. I've also heard some people say the Quran calls the wives the mother of the believers just to say they can not marry them, but not a mother in a metaphorical sense.
@iceycones654 - it's both. Mothers because they are the mothers of all Muslims in that they played a major role in guiding many Muslims. A 1/3 of the religion comes from the hadiths of Aisha, for example. But also because what you said. So no-one marries them.
And regarding the Battle & how it started the creator is very biased to the Shia account of the events who want to show the army of Aisha as traitors & evil people. The Sunni account is very different from what is shown in the video, I highly recommend you look that up.
He doesn't seem very biased at all, his viewpoint is very neutral. And the Shia and Sunni account of what happened are essentially the same, they just have different ideas pertaining to those events.
Ali is a very tragic figure. He didn’t have the knack for cut-and-thrust factional maneuvering that someone like Abu Bakr had and he was constantly being put in situations where no matter what he chose he was going to alienate one party or another.
K&G and many western scholars overestimate the rule of non Muslim and non Arabs in the first civil war, The people who rebelled against Uthman were dissatisfied Arab tribes from the garrison towns of Egypt and Iraq.
Idk if its true or not, but Ali had large support in iraq n iran because his son married to daugther of persian king... so many persian people see Ali family as continuation of persian royal lineage
what he sopke about the quran is coming from a position of ignorance he didnt search well on that topic and even there is a quran found in bermingham which is dated to the last years of the prophet muhammad and its the same quran that we hold today
It's true but some people tried to add new things to the quran at the time of Uthman. So he burnt those false quran and spread the true quran to avoid falsifications.
@@iceycones654 exactly what you said, the Quran was revealed in seven readings (dialects) and some arguments happened at the time of Uthman because people speaking one dialect were traveling to Iraq and heard other people recite a verse in the Quran differently, instead of saying maalek yaoum adden (the owner of the day of judgement) they said (malek youm adden) in the original arabic dialect maalek means owner and malek means king and in Iraqi dialect malek also means owner, so they argued with them and told Uthman about it so Uthman unified the Quran to prevent events like this from happening again, then a jew named abdullah bin sab’a from yemen went to different provinces and pretended to be a muslim and started leading prayers and doing good deeds until he was known in that area and then he would start inciting people on Uthman by saying he corrupted the Quran and that he only gives high positions to his relatives which are all false, thats how those people rebelled against Uthman
Correct me if I've misunderstood, but Aisha was fighting Ali for not punishing Uthman's assassins, however the assassin's son was fighting in her army? politics makes my head hurt 🤣
The identity of the assassins who climbed the roof are unknown but generally the entire group of protesters were blamed as a whole and they formed a large group of Ali’s army.
23:12 I was corrected, I understood that it was the son of the assassin who supported Aisha and the others, my mistake. In fact he is the son of the Khalifa.
@@ConkerVonZap Yeah I got confused because there isn’t really a consensus on who actually killed Uthman since a large mob basically got in & it would be impossible to know who actually dealt the fatal blow but we know many in that mob.
It seems very unbiased and neutral to me and many others in his comment section. And the sunni and shia narrative are pretty much the same, just how they interpret the events are different.
I agree with your statement that civil wars are usually more interesting than foreign ones. Another bonus is that the historian that writes about it during the time typically has excellent information about the motivations, resources and troop numbers of both sides because there is no cultural and linguistic divide between the opposing sides and because a lot of the defeated faction will be reintegrated into society once the dust has settled.
I know that you may not trust Islamic sources, but all accounts say that Uthman didn’t resist or order his companions to protect or attack the rebels because he knew that he would be murdered since the Prophet told him personally & it was also public knowledge that he would be martyred. So from his point of view he’s 100% going to die so there’s no point in putting the other companions of the prophet in danger if the outcome would be the same. Another thing the video doesn’t clarify that well is that the rebels far outnumbered the companions & people of Medina, that’s why Ali didn’t want to avenge Uthman immediately since the rebels could deal even more damage. He wanted the matter to settle & the rebels feel safe so they go home & then he could deal with them.
Sorry to ask but are you a Shia
@@prostation3844 I am on the path of Ahl Sunna wal Jamaa In sha Allah
mashaallah bro
I think it's important to point out that Ali's side and forces were very reluctant to engage in fighting with Aisha because she is regarded as one of the 'Mother of the Believers.' This is a title given to all the wives of the prophet by Allah and is mentioned in the Quran. The wives are seen as the mothers of all Muslims which was also why no-one was allowed to marry them after the death of the prophet.
The people are also not allowed to look upon the mothers. They would communicate with others behind barrier or veil in their houses and always wore full headress when outside. The only people who can see them are 'mahram' which means relatives a Muslim cannot marry (e.g. father, grandfather, father-in-law, stepsons, nephews. Cousins are not included as one is allowed to marry them).
It's also important to note that Aisha was a respected figure, not just because she was the widow of the prophet and the daughter of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, but also because she was a respected scholar. She knew the Quran better than anyone and is the narrator of a great many hadiths. She was also the favourite wife of the prophet (minus Khadijah, the mother of the prophet's children, who had died during the prophet's lifetime before he fled to Medina. He had been monogamously married to her).
Hadiths and sources say Aisha regretted her involvement the first fintah greatly and would repent for her sins to Allah. She retired from political life afterwards and focussed on teaching the next generations of Muslims.
For the mother of believer part, she is only the mother for the believing men, not the woman. I remember a hadith where Aisha said this, though feel free to correct me if the hadith is weak. Also I haven't been able to find any resources where Aisha repented for what she did, if you could provide those, I'd be thankful.
@iceycones654 - the Quran calls Aisha and the wives of the prophets as the Mother of the Believers. The Quran outranks any hadith. So the hadith you probably saw is false.
Or the hadith you saw may be the prophet explaining it is not permissable for any man to marry any of the prophet's wives after he died.
@@icechoc Ah I see, if I remember correctly, it was explaining how it was impermissible for men to marry them, though it doesn't apply to woman, though woman on woman marriages didn't happen at those times so that's probably why the woman were exempted. I've also heard some people say the Quran calls the wives the mother of the believers just to say they can not marry them, but not a mother in a metaphorical sense.
@iceycones654 - it's both. Mothers because they are the mothers of all Muslims in that they played a major role in guiding many Muslims. A 1/3 of the religion comes from the hadiths of Aisha, for example. But also because what you said. So no-one marries them.
@@icechoc Ah I see thank you for explaining.
I respect your work insights and unbiasedness from Turkey ✌️
And regarding the Battle & how it started the creator is very biased to the Shia account of the events who want to show the army of Aisha as traitors & evil people. The Sunni account is very different from what is shown in the video, I highly recommend you look that up.
He doesn't seem very biased at all, his viewpoint is very neutral. And the Shia and Sunni account of what happened are essentially the same, they just have different ideas pertaining to those events.
Ali is a very tragic figure. He didn’t have the knack for cut-and-thrust factional maneuvering that someone like Abu Bakr had and he was constantly being put in situations where no matter what he chose he was going to alienate one party or another.
the four rashidun caliphs walked in the streets with no guards and lived a humble life like the prophet cuz they are not kings or emperors
The five* rashidun don't forget Hassan ibn Ali
Propeht sw. said that ali is with truth and truth is with ali. as.
Shiites false hadith
K&G and many western scholars overestimate the rule of non Muslim and non Arabs in the first civil war,
The people who rebelled against Uthman were dissatisfied Arab tribes from the garrison towns of Egypt and Iraq.
Idk if its true or not, but Ali had large support in iraq n iran because his son married to daugther of persian king... so many persian people see Ali family as continuation of persian royal lineage
what he sopke about the quran is coming from a position of ignorance he didnt search well on that topic and even there is a quran found in bermingham which is dated to the last years of the prophet muhammad and its the same quran that we hold today
It's true but some people tried to add new things to the quran at the time of Uthman. So he burnt those false quran and spread the true quran to avoid falsifications.
@@grandsultan7886 Wasn't it to keep one unified Quran so that there wouldn't be any differences in the different arabic dialects?
@@iceycones654 exactly what you said, the Quran was revealed in seven readings (dialects) and some arguments happened at the time of Uthman because people speaking one dialect were traveling to Iraq and heard other people recite a verse in the Quran differently, instead of saying maalek yaoum adden (the owner of the day of judgement) they said (malek youm adden) in the original arabic dialect maalek means owner and malek means king and in Iraqi dialect malek also means owner, so they argued with them and told Uthman about it so Uthman unified the Quran to prevent events like this from happening again, then a jew named abdullah bin sab’a from yemen went to different provinces and pretended to be a muslim and started leading prayers and doing good deeds until he was known in that area and then he would start inciting people on Uthman by saying he corrupted the Quran and that he only gives high positions to his relatives which are all false, thats how those people rebelled against Uthman
@@3bdallahksa727 Yeah true, though it doesn’t make sense the Ummah would be fooled by a Jew. The ummah is intelligent, not foolish.
Hazrat Usman does not want to shed blood in Madina
City otherwise it's very easy to stop some rebels.
No, it's because the Prophet prophecied to him what's gonna happen.
Correct me if I've misunderstood, but Aisha was fighting Ali for not punishing Uthman's assassins, however the assassin's son was fighting in her army? politics makes my head hurt 🤣
Who’s the assassin & who is his son?
The identity of the assassins who climbed the roof are unknown but generally the entire group of protesters were blamed as a whole and they formed a large group of Ali’s army.
23:12 I was corrected, I understood that it was the son of the assassin who supported Aisha and the others, my mistake. In fact he is the son of the Khalifa.
@@ConkerVonZap Yeah I got confused because there isn’t really a consensus on who actually killed Uthman since a large mob basically got in & it would be impossible to know who actually dealt the fatal blow but we know many in that mob.
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These sources are very shia sided and paint uthman in a very bad light. One of the greatest men in islam.
oh gully this narration is heavily Shiites biased and didn't even mention Sunni narration of the history...very biased.
True
It seems very unbiased and neutral to me and many others in his comment section. And the sunni and shia narrative are pretty much the same, just how they interpret the events are different.
Your faith in Allah is underwhelming.