Jack O’Connor once said that if someone got him down in a head lock and forced him to make a choice he would have to admit the 30-06 was superior to the .270 Win. And the .270 is also a great cartridge. But the 30-06 does just keep on doing the job.
I think people overestimate the ballistic differences between the 30-06 and, for example, the 270. Many of the modern bottleneck cartridges are far more alike than different. Look at the charts and tables.
Excellent video. Here in Saskatchewan, you can't get a better all around cartridge than the 30-06. I have taken antelope, whitetail, mule deer, black bear, elk and moose all with the 30-06. Its dropped each of these with one shot from close range to long ranges. Yes, i can afford to buy other calibre rifles but my confidence with the 30-06 knowing it will never fail me as long as i do my part, keeps me shootimg my Model 70 30-06.
Your presentation skills are impeccable. I began deer hunting in 1975 with a 742 Woodsmaster in 30-06. The round is ubiquitous to say the least. The recent craze of the 6.5 Needmore is entertaining. At 3000 FPS with a 150 gr bullet, the '06 if created today would be considered a non- belted magnum. Truly a proven cartridge that is timeless.
Haha they are both great cartridge with a lot of versatility. As a hunting cartridge the 30-06 is about as good as it gets. As a target cartridge I have to give it to the Creedmore because it might be one of the most consistent cartridges around, and it has half the recoil as the old war horse. I cant say there is a cartridge I dont like though 😂
My first '06 was a 742 Woodsmaster! It was given to me as a gift from my dad when I was 14. I killed a deer with it each of the 4 seasons I hunted with it until I got my first bolt action as a high school graduation gift.
I'm from Newfoundland, Canada and I can honestly say that the 30-06 has probaly taken more big game here (Moose, Woodland Caribou, Black Bear) than any other rifle. Its reliable, versatile, and has more than enough knock down power. I've used other calibre's and find this... .270 is great but barely enough power for a mature adult moose. I've seen them travel quite a distance after being hit in the vital area because the speed of the bullet and size didn't expand, leaving a smaller hole and less damage. I've seen this happen with a 7mm as well as the bullet is too fast. .300 win on the other hand has too much impact, leaving a lot of damage and ruining a lot of meat. I only use premium ammunition and carefully choose bullets with deep penetration and maximum expansion. The 30-06 is about as perfect a balance that you could find here in Newfoundland for knockdown power without sacrificing too much prime venison.
I totally agree. Im 76 and have been hunting deer etc since i was old enough. Ive used everything from a 30-30, .50 cal 1760’s flintlock, a .20 gauge shot gun with rifled slugs. My longest shot as with the flint lock at 237 paces and a one shot kill dead in his tracks. The bullet as a pure lead .495 round ball with .010 spit patch. The closest was a 6x6 bull elk with my 30-06 at. 25 paces. All were one shot kills. No matter which caliber used, it all is shot placement.
Well I have to tell not all Moose are the same !! You are hunting a smaller of 5 types of Moose with the largest off all Moose are the Yukon Moose from Northern BC to Alaska . This is the same TH-cam ignorance in calling all handguns are Alaskan bears guns because some fool shoots a small black bear with a glock 9mm . I was nearly killed repeated by my clients who would being a 30-06 on the guided hunts I guided. 30-06 against a Yukon Moose of 1200 to 1500 pounds can turn dangerous to the hunter real fast . The Yukon moose can be killed by a 30-06 but it can live to a point to attack the hunter and kill someone before dying . Yukon moose in the rut are one mean Hugh animal .
Never saw a difference in effectiveness on moose as long as they were hit in the vitals with a good bullet. 30-06, 308, 300 WM, 6.5x55, 7mm-08 etc. Put a good bullet in the organs they need to live, that's that.
@@Lure-Benson I am well aware of that. But I was only referring to the game right here in Newfoundland and the effectiveness of the 30-06 right here in this province. A rutting moose can be mean no matter what species you hunt. But right here with the Eastern Canadian moose, I'm quite confident with my 30-06 to not only kill the animal, but to protect me from dangerous encounters. If I were hunting the Alaskan/Yukon moose, I would reconsider my choice of caliber and would most likely use a .300 win.
I’m from Newfoundland as well and I can attest the the 30-06 is by far the most versatile rifle for BIG Game here on the island, I’m a left handed shooter with a dominant right eye (yeah I know its a bit messed up but I’m proficient and got use to it at a young age) I currently shoot a Remington 742 auto and Remington 7600 pump using 165gn for the most part (moose, black bear and caribou).. 180gn for BIG MOOSE within 300 yards .. 150gn for Sport/Comp shooting targets . I don’t think I’ll ever switch to another round , don’t see the need .
I live and hunting in Europe ,and in last 30 years 30-06 is top 1 by popularity here.It is popular in Russia.I think that no other catridge in the world history of hunnting, did not drop so many animals like 30-06 Springfield.It is a legend definitly.
I recently found your channel and I gotta say I like it. What I like the most is your approach of “what ever works for you.” From camouflage to cartridges you just say “here’s the info, decide what you want” it’s very refreshing and helpful. Keep it up!
Thanks Aidan, and truth be told we can make almost anything work. It just comes down to what works best for us as individuals, and we all have to figure that out for ourself.
Great history on the 30-06 Tom. In 1949, my grandfather bought a new Remington 721 in .270. I never got the chance to ask him why the Remington and why .270 rather than a Winchester model 70 in .30-06? He passed before I discovered my interest in firearms and hunting. Not that there’s anything wrong with the Remington or .270, but I wish I knew what my grandfather thought when he selected them. He primarily hunted Whitetails in northern New England, some pasture land and some heavy forest. As a kid, I remember all the deer hunting stories he told and the fun he had with his buddies in the 1950’s hunting. Anyway, enjoyed the video Tom. Thanks.
We all like more guns in our safe and I've got one of what all my friends have . I use to despise the .06 but it's just about all rifles wrapped up in one if you load yourself, I've got a few different calibers of rifles collecting dust but I've got 5 .06s that will do anything or better than any of those other ones. It's simply amazing the fun and the serioness that you can do with the hidden talents in the Best rifle ever made. 🇺🇸💥🇺🇸
Love my 3006. Very versatile. A boat load of different types of ammo. Will not kick you like a mule. And gets the job done very well. Thanks again Tom. Have a great week
my Grandpas used it in WWI my Dad and uncles used it in WWII and Korea, i grew up deer hunting with the 30.06 i just think its something they Got Right, and no reason to switch, i spent 7 plus years in the US Military got aquainted with the .308 its pretty close, but not that im out, im back to using a Remington 700 in 30.06 keeping it real.
I remember an article written by Jim Carmichael about a hunt in Africa. He had taken a rifle chambered in 30-06 and happened to have it in hand when 3 Cape Buffalo came trotting by. Old bull had the largest horns / boss Jim said he'd ever seen. He put the sights on that bull, squeezed the trigger and flattened him like a 416.
Thank you for an excellent presentation of the 30-06 and covering the history of the cartridge evolution. I recently bought a Savage 110 Hunter chambered in 30-06 and was initially concerned with reports of high recoil. After sighting in the rifle and shooting from a standing position, I understand the relevance now after viewing your video. I hunt brush and low grass areas of Florida and will probably never get a shot beyond 100 yards. I look forward to many years of service from this rifle and now consider myself committed to the cartridge. Thanks again for your insight and contribution.
Im a relativley new shooter/hunter, (been shooting for about 2 years, and cant Get enough) i heard all the rage about these new 6,5s but i listened to my grandpa and went with a 30-06. Best choice i ever made. i have a rifle in 6,5x55 swedish (old 6,5 caliber used in the swedish mauser and Norwegian krags) that i love, but nothing beats the .30
@@easttexan2933 given the loadings for 30-06 you can get virtually the same performance as any other rifle in my case a slower moving round benefits my hunting more than something like a 270wsm or a 300 win mag on account of thick woods a 220 grain 30-06 bullet turns it into a brush gun for me that's why I won't use anything else
@@abelguerra8284 Well stated. I have no issues with the 06. In my younger days I hunted with one almost entirely. At 75 I just enjoy shooting the ones with less recoil. I have a 6.5x55 Swede since 2000 and I really enjoy this rifle.
@@easttexan2933 it's a good cartridge will do the job perfect for how long it's been around and the 7x57 Mauser is an excellent cartridge even for today's standards I justgot to the point I was tired of hearing the ballistic coincidence on bullets that's only good for long range and does no good for short ranges that most hunters ethically take game
I've watched so many videos I've actually bought my first 30 odd 6 in 2020 I grew up on a farm I'm 54 my grandpa was a gunsmith but I bought my own brand new and like your video I seen and heard so many stories but your video explained it in a way that made me grin and smile and not feel that I made the wrong choice thank you very much take care and be safe
The first and only rifle I ever bought was purchased in absolute ignorance of what I was buying. I simply told the sales guy at my local gun shop that I wanted to buy a " deer rifle." This was in 1968. He handed me a used (it turned out to be pristine) pre-64 Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 30.06 (with a Redfield scope on Weaver mounts), extolling the features, advantages and benefits of that rifle. What did I, a 20-something kid, know? I took it. $140 bucks! Now I'm an old man and I still have that great gun, something I will hand down to one of my sons. Sometimes you''re just plain blind-lucky. I enjoy your little talks, Tom. Thanks....
Plain blind-lucky or blessed? Thanks for sharing that Flylooper. It really put things in perspective as far as how much chance plays a role in finding a great rifle. And that reminded me of how much chance played a role in me learning what little bit I've managed to pick up over the years.
Some people have all the luck😂 my first rifle other then a Sears 22 was a Ruger M77 in 30-06 in the early 60’s when they first came out and my dad was hunting with a pre64 308 featherweight at the time and we have taken more deer and elk then I can count in the 60 years I have hunted so I guess we all get lucky sometimes!
Very well explained. When I was looking for a hunting rifle on a very limited budget, I found myself a very nicely sporterized 8mm-06. Brought over after some war, pressure tested in England, built by Brno in 1938 for the Persians. Rechambered to 8mm-06 back in the 50's. The bore is still shiny and tight, she shoots straight and amazingly flat with a 200 grain boat tail and some 348 powder. Very easy to neck up a 30 06 shell and plug in an 8mm boolat. I paid $375 Canadian. Knocked a Whitetail right out of his boots 2 years ago. Can't wait to put try it on the Queen's beef. God bless the old 30 06.
"...Just look at their advertisements." And yet, I have yet to see any animal taken by 30-06 stand back up and say, "yeah, that 300 Win Mag laid me flatter." There is definitely good reason 30-06 is still the most popular hunting cartridge. It's one of those that every gun owner should have in their collection for no other reason than it is the most reliable "stand-by".
Your comment is the textbook example of "bullshit reasoning". What about all the animals that have been missed, or have not been recovered after being shot with a 30.06 sprg? Yeah mate, 300 win mag & .308 win > 30.06 any day of the week
@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR "Textbook" huh? If there is a textbook, I think you'd be the one to read it. Your answer doesn't have any coherent reasoning; .308 and .300 WM > 30-06? In what situation is one better than the other? I could find a miriade of niches where one of those could exel more than another. You made a blanket statement without any variables. Place your shots better dude, and don't be a troll.
Go hunt the Yukon Moose in Alaska which is the largest of all 5 kinds of Moose. It will take 5 to 10 30-06 before that Moose is on the ground and you have a High possibility of being attacked . And be stupid try to hunt Alaska coastal brown bears with a deer gun 30-06 then you really have a death wish !
Thank you for making this video. I have me a Bushmaster 30-06 semi and love it. Here in B.C. Canada I cant wait to start hunting White Tail deer with it. I have been trying to set up the scope at the target range and love the power. A lot of people ask me if it is a 308. I smile and tell them nope just a little 30-06. They often ask me if I can turn it down a little, laughing of course. I have been using 180 grain shell. The scope I have on it was damaged from a 4 wheeler case. So gonna put on a Vortex 3-9 50mm I think about $400.00. Looking into loading my own brass as well. This is the first video of yours I have watched and love your passion for the firearms and the free history lesson as well. Can't wait to watch your other videos. All the best to you.
One of my sons asked me what cartridge I'd recommend for an 'only' hunting rifle for use in western Canada (BC and Alberta). First, I said I'd prefer to recommend four cartridges; the .22LR, a 'light' centrefire like the .243 Win, a 'medium' centrefire like the .270 Win and a 'Big Boomer' like the .338 Win Mag. No, he wanted a single, 'all purpose' hunting rifle. ("No such thing" didn't get me anywhere.) So, I recommended the .30-06.
If you have to have "a rifle" one rifle. The '06 will do it, and if you're feeling adventurous a reloading kit. I have a Lee Classic loader a small bag of components and a rubber mallet. Once I got everything adjusted and just how I wanted it, I was able to reload 20-50 rounds in the field with only a tree trunk or a large rock for support.
Great video! I really enjoy your videos and your talent for storytelling. Thanks for paying proper respect to my favorite cartridge and some of its original military and commercial platforms. That said, I was a bit surprised at no mention of the 1917 rifle, which far outpaced the Springfield in production as well as surplus availability following WW1, so much so that it became the preeminent platform for experimentation with the heavier Magnum cartridge development. (Yeah, I'm a huge 1917 fan. 😀)
Very true, I had the same experience with a ruger american 243 as he had with a 3006 in the video, I kept getting good shots on deer and then loosing them, even some that I clearly seen drop, and the ones that didn't get away (which is at least 3 or 4, 1 of which I tracked for a mile with a lung shot up and down steep hills), finally I decided a 243 wouldn't cut it, my problem was bullet selection, federal soft points in 243 are not suitable for deer, they had a habit of not expanding, so I decided I wanted a 3006, the one I got was a worn out pile of junk, wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside and it didn't cycle well either, 1969 model remington 760, that was what I wanted because of a 1961 model I've used that's an absolute tack driver, anyway I traded that 3006 for a Mossberg MVP Varmint 5.56, it was worth over twice as much as that 3006 and I just wanted the 06 gone, the MVP, just like the American 243, was an absolute tack driver, loved the rifle, but the action felt about like a mosin nagant, and it would only feed from 10 round pmags, also some 5.56 ammo my dad had that I ran through it was showing pressure signs, this was before I really knew a LOT about guns like I do now, still knew quite a bit tho, but I didn't notice the pressure issues till one time I went to pull the trigger and it wouldn't fire, so I picked up the brass from the shot before and looked it over, there was a hole in the primer, that piece of primer was stuck in the firing pin, easy fix, so I looked at the other brass of the same ammo that I'd used, it had done the same thing with them all, except the piece fully came out on that one, so that combined with the sloppy bolt and feeding issues, I got rid of it, I regret getting rid of the MVP and the American, I should have tried different ammo in the American and I should have sent the MVP in to Mossberg, live and learn, have been looking for replacents for those ever since, even asked the guy I traded the 243 to if he still had it and any chance he'd sell it, he told me his dad now has it and loves it, although I know even if I got another, it wouldn't be that one, which my dad got me when I was 13 (thankfully it wasn't my first rifle, I'm not that stupid, I still have that one), but basically I got rid of it because I firmly believed the caliber was the problem when it was just the ammo I was using, I now have a Ruger American Predator 6.5 creedmoor I use for deer, and it is fantastic, but it doesn't fill the void the 243 left
.30-06 in a Winchester Model 70 (pre64 of course). Like me, they're both old and they both work. With all the different loads it's probably the most versatile setup. Thanks for the great video!
My first high-powered rifle that my dad bought me was a 30 ought 6. I have hunted deer with everything from a 243 to a 300 Win Mag and for all the reasons that you just listed I keep going back to the trusty 30 ought 6. You are correct. It is truly the Jack of all trades. And I think quite a few of those trades... it mastered.
I have that same book and have read it many times. Very good video and history lesson. I have a kimber hunter in 06. 180 gr. Swift sirroco, 1/2”. My other 06 conversion is a 338/06 ackley improved. Built by David Gentry of Belgrade Montana. I mostly use 200 gr. Accubond at 2885fps. 1/2” groups . I have taken everything from brown bear to antelope. This one will do it all. 3006 parent case.
I used to love shooting long range against people bragging about their 7mm mags. Of course I probably shot more than some of them, but realistically they had no advantages at 400 yds nor do most cartridges at ranges up to 1500 yds.
I call it the .300/06 because now a days we have greatly improved propellents bullets scopes rifles etc etc. It comes very close to magnum performance without all the pain. Thanks for the chat🤠🇨🇦
Glad you enjoyed it, and I was just reading a similar comment written in one of the reloading manuals. It mentioned how close the 30/06 was to the big magnums in performance but with a lot less recoil and powder.
My first deer rifle was a 7 rm. When I bought it I knew enough that I had all my bases covered. Then I took it on a sheep hunt and by then end of it I had essentially carried a 10lbs walking stick. and never shot it. Tough ass hunt and glad of the experience and to come out alive. But I made the decision to finer tune my boom stick for more all around use and discovered what you're referencing by comparing boxes of winchester expedition lr. Numbers are so close. I ended up with a Browning x bolt stainless stalker in 06 topped with a 3.5-10 vx3i and will never go back. 7.5 lbs loaded carries great shots under 1 inch groups at 200 meters. Will never go back unless I need a backup rifle
I’ve used a 30-06 Remington since 1971 for deer hunting . Although I’ve never kept up with it but just guessing I’ve killed between 150 and 175 deer in that length of time . Many years I’ve killed from 3 to 5 deer a year . I’ve never killed more than 5 in a year even though I can legally kill 6 deer in our state . I’ve always used the Remington 150 Core Lock factory load cartilage and hardly ever had to shoot a white tail deer twice . Most of the time they fall right in their tracks . They rarely go more than 25 yards before they fall when they do try to run . I’ve always checked my rifle every year for accuracy and that’s the key to shot placement . If I can’t get that killing shot behind the shoulder I won’t shoot . I don’t like to shoot through the shoulder because it messes up the meat . We use that meat for ground meat . It’s better to let the deer go than wound a deer and not be able to find him when he runs off . He can live to hunt another day . Thanks for sharing the history on the development of the 30-06 . I enjoyed it very much . Have a blessed day !!
I'm glad you enjoyed it Louis, and it sounds like we share a lot of views! Notice I said that deer that came back was shot behind the shoulder, well even to this day I have a hard time making myself shoot one in the shoulder. And that's one of the few deer I ever shot with factory ammo that wasn't shot with a Core-Loc or Power Point.
@@binko969 I have never shot a deer in the shoulder and most deer I have shot dropped in their tracks. Shoulder shot on a whitetail does nothing but damage meat and the deer can still run on three legs. I don't even shoot black bears in the shoulder. Right behind the shoulder and they are both dead in short order. I shoot bears in the neck at close range and it is always instant death.
Tom I I''ve been using the 30-06 for hunting ever since I got out of the service in 1971 and you are right, it is the best all around cartridge for hunting small ,medium and big game. when can utilize reloading everything from 110 grain to 220 grain in one cartridge casing and get them to do what all the others do it's a no brainer. thanks for puting together a really great video!
Great video.One thing you didn’t mention is if you handload is the wide variety of powders that give fantastic results in “standard length” cases. Which the 30-06 is the parent. Great results can usually be achieved using powders you probably already have on hand. Standard long action cases overlap with slow burn rate powders of the magnum calibers and faster burn rates of short action rounds too.
In the old if you could have only one rifle argument, for me it would have to be a Winchester Model 70, new or pre 64 in 30.06. Its the only rifle that I know of that takes every type of game in North America, a bunch in Africa and was used by one of the most renowned American snipers to great effect. Kinda hard to argue with those credentials. Great video, God Bless
Yup.. u got a thumbs up…nowadays there’s so much hype with new cartridges…it’s just the sales format has expanded expediently …that almost anyone can get behind it…seemingly new is new and a lot of new shooters take it as new and improved….yes firearms has come a long way and with enough cash can buy you a lot of new technology but knowing they are a lot of good old school cartridges out there that stood the test of time ( and wars ) is basically never going away…the 30/06 has earned its reputation in my book 👍🏼
that was a great discussion of the 06. In my younger days I used the 06 and 30-30 exclusively. They worked and still do. I would never bad mouth the 06 simply because it kills what you hit. At my age (75) the recoil plays a big factor in my decision what to shoot. I guess that's why I truly enjoy my 6.5x55 Swede. Looking forward to the rest of the videos on refurbishing the stocks on those two classic 06's. As Col. Jeff Cooper stated, "not many problems can't be fixed with $700 and a 30-06".
👍 you're the 1st person I ever heard talk about matching shot placement to bullet wt. The details make the diffrence. I'd like to see you do a video on everything leading up to the shot and afterward.
Sir, I must say I have thoroughly enjoyed this video! Maybe it helps that I've used the ol' 30'06, although chambered in rem 700 bdl, as my main white tail hunting rifle near all my life. Then again maybe it's because of your warm and calming tone. Regardless as my friends and acquaintances all fawned over the 300 ultra mag in the Sendero rifles in the 90s, or the market hyped 300 wsm's, my old '06 hunting companion was faithful to do his job. Congratulations on a great video. I know its not new, but I'm glad I ran across it.
Excellent video. I shoot 165 grain Game king bullets for everything but varmints, there I use 110 grain hollow points! I’ve had 3 1903 A3s and a M1917 Enfield in 30-06. I’ve owned a 300 Savage, a 270 Husquavarna and several 30-30s, but the Ought Six is my favorite!
I learned how to shoot on the M1 Garand and the Springfield. I loved the Garand and how it shot. The Springfield had a steel butt plate and it ate me alive but I could damn near hit flies at 300 yards. You take what you got. I really like "shooting" my Ruger .22 so, we have a variety of rounds for good reasons.
Great video! I learned something about the history. For me 30-06 gives me tons of confidence when I go into the woods based on its track record. All I have to do is my part.
It's way over kill for what you southern guys are hunting though LOL. Literally, you guys down there would do just fine with a .223 and nothing more lol
I have different rifles, but my Wetherbee Vanguard stainless 30-06 is freaking awesome! I reload different weights for different things, its very versatile.
Tom, your review and history of the 30-06 was among the better videos I've watched on TH-cam. Your reading of O'Connor's remarks from his "Hunting Rifle" text pretty much reinforced what you'd thought, cool. My only head-scratching moment was about the 256 Newton round; my impression was that it was actually a 6.5/'06. I guess I'll have to look it up. It's funny that you started your video with the 7x57 history and how the US finally arrived at the 30-06 because I've got a M70 Featherweight in 7x57 but am looking at picking up another M70 in 30-06. I'm always tickled about how much I agree with your opinions. I guess it's great that we don't hunt with each other because we'd spend too much time arguing about which stands and fields we wanted to hunt for the day. LOL! Take care and be well! Great video!
The .256 Newton is a 6.5/06. If I had a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 7 X 57 Mauser, I personally wouldn't be wanting another Model 70 in .30-'06. As big a fanboy of the aught-six as I am, I have to confess a belief that I don't think it does anything that 7 X 57 Mauser doesn't do or can't do. But hey, it's your money. ;)
@@jerroldshelton9367 Thanks for your comments on the Newton, I'm guessing it was the lands/grooves thing. As far as the '06 goes, I've found a Super Grade M70 that's got a S/N within a few thousand of a Safari Express I own and thought it would kind of complete a trio of blue and walnut M70's. My wife's Steyr is a 30-06 so there's already boxes of the ammo here, figured I'd pick up another '06 because, in non-crazy times, you can find it everywhere. I'll take your comments about the 7x57 vs 30-06 and think about it a bit more. The last deer deer taken with my 7Mauser wound up pretty much DRT. LOL, take it easy!
I must compliment you for your succinct explanation of the .30-06 as compared to other cartridges, whereby you state other cartridges can beat the ol' 06 in certain areas, but they give up something to do so. I've never looked at it from that perspective. As a lifelong fan of the cartridge, a sincere thanks is in order. Thank you.
Morning Sir thank you so so much for this video its the 1st ever video that clearly explaines alot to me and also gave me new respect for my VEKTOR(mauser) 30-06 rifle I have. thank you loved the video
this vid was great and NOT what I expected from the title. it might have been shorter: " It WORKS". My favorite cartridge: 30-06...again great vid and thank-you
My Howa 30-06 shooting Federal Terminal Ascent 175gr is a tack driver or the 165gr trophy bonded.An outstanding caliber for everything,and with 220gr grizzlies/buffalo too.
If my style reminds you of Hickok45 then all I can say is thank you very much for that. I'm a fan of his as well. Know if I could only shoot a handgun like him!
I like the 30-06. You can download it to shoot like a 30-30 cal. You can upload it to shoot like a 300 Winchester mag. And you can shoot it with a .22 sabot or a spitzer that pretty accurate. Some people shoot 1000 yd. competitions with it. It can be very versatile. I think you covered most of these points. The recoil is the most negative thing about it. If I could only choose one gun and reload it. I would choose the .308 Win.
Thanks for the informative and interesting video on the 30-06 Mr River. I contemplated buying a 30-06, but ended up choosing the .270 Win instead. I probably someday will add one to the collection as well, since it’s such an iconic cartridge, and the bullet selection is out of this world for re-loaders compared to the .270 Win. I’ve always had a special desire for really fast cartridges of smaller caliber for target shooting, but then I started to read about barrel burners. From what I have read, smaller caliber projectiles being propelled by good sized powder loads tend to wear barrels out quicker 😩. Having a .243 Win it makes me wonder how many shots I can expect out its barrel? I also wondered if stainless steel barrels such as what my .243 Win uses might last a bit longer than a regular steel type barrel in this smaller caliber? So with all this in mind, I wonder if there is some magic caliber dia at which the barrel life increases substantially in say a long action cartridge, as well as a short action with a relatively large powder charges. Would it be safe to say .30 cal is the size that barrel life seems to extend itself noticeably with 2900 + fps type cartridges? I’m sure the life of a barrel would also depend on how hot you let it get when shooting through it. Your thoughts or anyone else’s is welcome. Thanks and God bless.
Mike, it sounds like you already have a handle on barrel life but basically it comes down to heat and pressure. And your .243 is going to shoot for decades to come with no problem. But if you were to neck down a 7mm mag case to 6mm you would have a barrel buurner just because it would be so over bored (to much powder for the given bore diameter). And yes stainless helps extend your barrel life. The 264 Win mag was famous for burning out barrels but I hear they're doing a lot better these day especially with the stainless that's available? With standard hunting cartridges it really isn't an issue which is in part why they became the standards. But I heard some one say something once that I thought made a lot of sense. They said worrying about barrels wearing out is like worrying about wearing out the tires on a car. I always thought that made sense. I just mentioned it because I was think about older rifles in particular. You wouldn't want to buy an older rifle and then have to rebarrel it. And at a certain point rifles become rare enough that you just don't want to change anything. But again it sounds like you've done your homework on this.
For a given bore/caliber a lighter bullet requires less pressure to reach the muzzle. Less pressure equals less barrel wear. Even though the lighter projectile is going faster than heavier projectile from the same barrel, friction makes up approximately 1-3% of total barrel erosion. So, all things equal, the lighter projectile requiring less pressure will promote longer barrel life. Obviously, if you do a magazine dump and sustain higher and higher temperatures over say, 100 rounds, barrel wear is increased exponentially to the point of serious material loss at the throat and lands
is the original tree stock on that rifle? They are not fun to shoot with originals. I myself have a Husqvarna 1651 in caliber 358 Norma Magnum. It has a completely different custom stock. Of course, I have our 1900 Carl Gustaf in 300 win mag. Carl Gustaf 1900 is the same as Husqvarna 1900. But the new ones are made in Italy. It is not at all the same quality compared to how the Swedish ones are. It goes so well with the shutter and in the passage and when you repeat it, it can't be better. This is why it is said that we Swedes became world champions at criticizing everyone else and the hinge effect when repeating the rifle. I cracked my eyebrow with a Stiga in 30-06, it's a little worse than the Husqvarna 1600 with the original crooked stock. Come join the half-moon club, we call it when you get a black eye or a cracked eyebrow. If you get the chance to buy an original Swedish bouncer, buy a Husqvarna 1900 or Carl Gustaf 1900. There are many used ones here in 30-06, nobody wants them. All but only in 308 win. I'm not too afraid of a little recoil. I am happy with my 1651 Husqvarna 358 Norma Magnum. Winchester made 338 wins after Husqvarna made their 358. They are both almost identical in effect. More energy at short distances with 358 Norma. I've had 338 win as well, both are very good calibers for moose and wild boar. Gives a good effect and the animals die quickly and have a short escape distance if they do not fall directly into the blast. For 500-600 dollars you will find many Husqvarna and Carl Gustaf 1900 here that can be imported. Be sure you get a Swedish and not Italian made as the company Zoli manufactures.
Yes, there is nothing wrong with the quality. It's a bit rickety when you repeat. Then it is good if you can handle the original. The one I cracked my eyebrow at was a Stiga. They are not good at all, the tree stock on the Stiga makes them very uncomfortable to shoot with. Then the stock on a Husqvarna 1600 is much better. But the one on 1600 is not modern and optimal right away.
You know what’s funny, when I was 15 I chose the 7 mm Remington magnum for the same exact reasons for my first rifle that I bought on my own. It was a budget Cabela’s special model 710 from Remington. I still have it, although I mostly shoot my 270 from Tikka these days. People like to rank on the model 710 because of things they’ve heard but I’ve taken about 12 mule deer with it here in Washington state, more than a lot of people can say they’ve done with one rifle. Just goes to show you that marksmanship is more important than most things ha!
When I was deciding on a deer rifle, I looked for a cartridge that was versatile enough to use for game other than whitetail deer. The .30-06 fit the bill, with a wider range of bullet shapes and weights than any other. I chose a Ruger Model 77 R, and with handloads it could shoot minute of angle. With practice I could fire a five-round group small enough to cover completely with a quarter. I loaded and sighted for 1" high at 100 yards, which gave me a dead hold out to 225 yards, and I knew the ballistics well enough to adjust for longer ranges, though here in PA such a long range shot would be rare. I had an idea in the back of my mind to go out west for mulies, pronghorns, and elk, a dream never realized, though the cartridge could be loaded specifically for each. Now that my health no longer allows me to hunt, I miss that sweet rifle with its dependable load, and the satisfaction of shooting it.
Interesting video. I've hunted with the .30-06 for the past 55 years. I use a 150-grain bullet for deer and pronghorn, and a 180-grain bullet for elk. No complaints and my freezer has been kept well-stocked over the years. The .270? You won't catch me bad-mouthing that caliber for deer and elk. A good friend of mine hunts with this caliber and he has done as well as me in bringing home the meat. Thanks for the video!
Same with me and I use 150 and 180 grain bullets all my life with the 30 ought 6 hunting and for two years now competitively shooting amateur style out to 1,300 yards with both of those bullet weights and the 165 grain and I got to say at 1,300 yards it's still hits goddamn hard.
I handload 165 grain boat tails for most everything in 30-06, and am pleased to be able to handload 220 grain Nosler Partitions when I am hunting deer in grizzly country. They all shoot well. The versatility of this cartridge plus manageable recoil and being able to find ammo anywhere keep it on top.
What an awesome presentation. I really appreciated the history of the evolution of other bullets from the seminal .30-06, and really, of course, the Mauser. Anyway, growing up and listening to the wisdom of others, it has been noted that this round will take all game up to maybe the largest in North America. You could hunt elk and even moose, possibly. As others noted here, a range of powders and burns and amounts. A huge range of grain weights. And, of course, the neck down that allowed shorter action. For example, my favorite round is the .308 Winchester and I have three rifles in that caliber. Guys can hunt deer just fine with .270 and .243. As I have mentioned before, there is a youtuber guy called deermeatfordinner and he brought down a mule deer, which is a large blacktail, with a 6.5 Creedmoor, his newest and favorite rifle. Because it has low recoil, awesome accuracy, and it brought down a mule deer, and it will bring down whitetail and feral hog, if you want. I think it is probably slightly easier to handle than magnum rounds. I thought about and I think the reason most people don't hunt with a .338 Lapua Mag because of the huge kick. Guys who regularly use .338 Lapua Mag are usually special forces soldiers shooting tanks and ammo depots of enemy agents. In so doing, they are often able to set up a situation that manages the recoil. Sand bags, drag bags, A layer or two of BDUs. As opposed to us hunters, especially us who hunt on public land. There is a good chance that you will not have time to get up to your stand or set up the tripod all pretty and laser sight and get all comfy. You are walking along and the you see him, upwind. 8 points hanging wide. He has not seen you, yet. You have 5 seconds to bring up to shoulder, get the reticle on target and press the trigger. I am totally unafraid to do that with my .308 rifles, especially as I had done some things to lessen even that recoil. A relaxed shooter is an accurate shooter. I totally value and respect the others here who told of their life-long hunting with the .30-06 Sprg. Engineering principle, if it works, don't fix it.
Personally I'm not a big fan of the 6.5 CM. I don't have anything against it just that there were 2 other great 6.5 caliber cartridges out before it with essentially the same ballistics including the 6.5x55 aka the 6.5 Swede. The 6.5 Swede has been around for well over 100 years and that's one of the cartridges on my short list to get. Personally I see no need to get a 6.5 CM when I can get a 6.5 Swede. Now if I were doing long range target shooting that would be a different story but I'm not. And as for the capabilities of the 6.5x55, the Swedes have used it for decades for moose. So that should say a lot about the actual capabilities of your .308 and the 30/06 because they are both more powerful than a 6.5 anything. And I've seen some his videos on deer meat for dinner. I always liked that he took hunting and fishing videos to a new place by showing the cooking side of it. And I think he does a great job of promoting hunting and fishing in a positive family friendly way.
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I know plenty of people are excited about the 6.5 Creedmoor and I thought it was mainly for ELD competitions because it has a fairly flat trajectory and it is light weight and low recoil. With a heavy enough barrel and stock set-up, you might not feel it at all. I like that guy deermeatfordinner because he is a family man with always a sense of joy. And he takes you from the hunt to the gambrel for skinning and quartering, to the table. And I was a bit amazed that he got a mule deer with his 6.5 Creedmoor. I would shoot no less than my .308 and I know at least one person who would shoot a mulie with no less than a .300 Win Mag. I did not know that about the 6.5 Swede. I am always learning something from you.
Great Video! I know lot versatility w/ reloading options but was curious on plain store bought Corelocks or Power Point bullet weights- What you prefer for eastern deer & black bear between 150's & 180"s?
30-06 will do everything that you could possibly need in N. America. I love them and have dies that allows me to easily make 7x57, 257 Rbts, 6mm Rem and 243 Win. (most of what I shoot) from the 30-06 brass which was handy during the last couple of years when components were in short supply. I have an 1895 Winchester that was made in 1909 in 30-03. I shoot standard 30-06 in it and don't worry about trimming the cases between loadings.
Townsend Whelen said, “For most all North American game a good 30/06 is never a mistake”. Finn Aagaard said, “ it works on nearly everything”..... and if that ain’t good enough, Tom Rivers said, “it works”. I’m sold! (Great vid Tom) 👍
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving my first year of deer hunting I used a shotgun and slug next year a 30-30 and the third year a ought six and that's been many many years ago and I've used other cartridges through the years but I still find myself grabbing a ought six More often than anything else it hammers whitetails muleys pronghorns elk moose and bear the important thing is bullet selection and shot placement the animals don't know what they're getting shot with wether it's a ought six or some super big fast magnum dead is Dead
I haft to agree with you it does get the job done! My first rifle was a 30-06 Remington game master pump action and I still have one to this day that I use
Love my .30-06. a 1944 surplus 03-A4 . Yep the sniper A3. No iron sights , nomenclature split to be visible with scope mounts. Took an extensive search to find the approximate manufacturing date. Jan/Feb of 44. 2 groove rifling. I've tried to replace it just to give it a rest. Haven't liked the replacement rifles as much. 7mm-08 and a .308. ( I used to have a Modelo 1891 Argentine Mauser 7.65mm carbine , it was stolen along with my dad's customized 1891 . We had a neighbor who was a gunsmith , a very very good smith. Sad . But there's your short action from another country ) My next one will be another 30-06 . It works.
I am fond of the 30-06. I shoot it, a 300WM, and a 338WM. The older I get, the more reasons I find to reach for a 30-06. It serves me well. Dropped two feral hogs at 275 yards just this past Saturday. They were just as dead as if shot by the magnum rounds.. I enjoyed this video very much, and subscribed to your channel.. best regards.
My first rifle was a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06. I loved that gun and let my wife talk me into selling it. I’ve been trying to buy it back ever since. Learn from my mistakes guys. Don’t sell any of your guns no matter how hard your wife tries to talk you into it.
The 30-06 is my favorite,I have put more deer on the meat pole than I can recollect,with mine .I'm about 60 now ,and I been hunting with a 30-06 for many years .and it has never failed me.plus it shoots a wide range of bullet weights very well,it is very easy to tailor a specific hand load for your rifle chambered in 30-06.and in these crazy times we are in right now ,I have seen plenty of 30-06 ammo for sale ,it wasn't cheap,but it's out there .I been rolling my own for many years ,so I'm stocked up.but all said the 30-06,is a great cartridge.
I've hung god knows how many deer on the pole over the years with a 30-06. I have used everything from a 243 to 300 win mag, but always go back to the 30-06 at least a few times during the season. There is just something about the ole 06 that is awesome. The 25-06 is awesome too.
Great presentation on a controversial subject. I would have to concur with your conclusion. But then I am biase toward the 30-06 as it was the first high power rifle I got to shoot with my Grandfather, when I was 11 years old. Nice memories.
My paternal grandfather did most of his big game hunting with a pre-64 featherweight in 30-06 shooting 165 partitions. He killed everything from buck antelope to bull elk with that setup. My dad watched him shoot a 180” mule deer in Western Colorado at 350 yards using a dead rest. Thus proving the 30-06 shoots flat enough for longer shots. I feel it’s a cartridge everyone should own.
I bought a smith and Wesson 30 06 icon with a camouflage stock and Nikon camouflage 6x9x50 scope. I like reloading and the choice of bullet's is a lot. Yes you could use a double barrel 50 Buffalo rifle on a deer , but that's ridiculous. But I can't afford to buy a hundred rifles. So I chose the 30 06. I liked your video. It was very informative.
Ive always been a 30-06 fan. I worked in a large gun store and must admit the 30-06 reigns supreme. It has been in every gun action that exists; bullet weights range from 100 grains to 220 grains; it has taken every big game animal on Earth; has been in three wars, and is the standard for all other cartridges. Nuff said.
Great video and very refreshing to see an American gentlemen plainly stating that the 30 06 is a knock off of the 8mm Mauser cartridge, for the 1903 Springfield, which was a knock off of the Mauser rifle. No shame in that, at all. If anything, the US Government of that time is to be commended for responding so rapidly to the needs of its military.
I wanted a 270 but bought a thompson center compass in 30.06 for deer hunting. It is guaranteed 1/2 moa at 100 yards right out of the box it does even better then that! Love my tc compass! 1 hole groups at 100 all day!
I got my first deer rifle when I was 14 years old (58 now). It was a U.S. Model of 1917 manufactured by Winchester in .30 / 06 Springfield. It was in a 26 inch barrel sniper configuration with rear peep sights and a pop up rangefinder scaled up to 17oo yards. After I had learned to shoot it without flinching with the recoil, I found out just how accurate that rifle truly was. With the right bullet / load combination and proper shot placement, it will kill anything in North America and a lot of things in Africa as well.
Interesting video. In sweden you often hear the same argument... but in favor of the 6,5x55 swede: it's the smallest cartridge for big game and the biggest for small game. Not the best at anything. Even so, It has "knocked down more moose and bear than any other cartride in sweden. Chose the right bullet and you got just the thing for 2-300 meter birds or a short distant moose and anything in between". Note that the 6,5x55 was the standard military cartridge in sweden and the rifles and ammo was plenty, just as the 30-06 was in the usa. I guess people are different but in some sense very much the same 🙂 Tanks for the video!
The ol’ 06 has been my favorite centerfire based on the history you describe, not just based on performance. My grandad trained WWII infantry for the Garand and BAR. My dad has used the ‘06 since the ‘80s for whitetails and coyotes. So what do you think my first centerfire rifle was? I’m never disappointed with the Marlin MR-7, sometimes wish I had more, other times wish I had less. Being in the middle is the best place to be.
My first deer was killed with my first 30-06. I have .270 and .270 WSM but for the thicker woods I am now hunting, I have migrated back to the 30-06 and have since bought 2 more. I only hunt deer in WV, I've not went out west for larger game. Simply put for what I do it works. If I would go out west for elk, it would be my backup to a larger 30 caliber.
There are many good rounds out there and the Ought Six is among the top of that list, probably the most versatile round for anything from varmints to large Game.
My biggest mistake in choosing a .30-06 for my first hunting rifle was that I never had a reason to buy another hunting rifle. 125gr. for antelope, 150- 165 gr. for deer and elk, 180-200 gr. for moose. Wait for the post season ammo sale to buy next year's ammo. Every store west of the Mississippi river stocks .30-06 ammo. At 70 years old, I can lug my < 7lb. Tikka light stainless around all day.
My dad has hunted with a 30-06 for decades. I have his last rifle in my safe, a Remington model 742 woodmaster. He's still alive but he just can handle the recoil of the 30-06 anymore.
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Jack O’Connor once said that if someone got him down in a head lock and forced him to make a choice he would have to admit the 30-06 was superior to the .270 Win. And the .270 is also a great cartridge. But the 30-06 does just keep on doing the job.
I think people overestimate the ballistic differences between the 30-06 and, for example, the 270. Many of the modern bottleneck cartridges are far more alike than different. Look at the charts and tables.
He would know
Excellent video. Here in Saskatchewan, you can't get a better all around cartridge than the 30-06. I have taken antelope, whitetail, mule deer, black bear, elk and moose all with the 30-06. Its dropped each of these with one shot from close range to long ranges. Yes, i can afford to buy other calibre rifles but my confidence with the 30-06 knowing it will never fail me as long as i do my part, keeps me shootimg my Model 70 30-06.
I have had a model 70 30-06 for 40 years and it has been a great hunting rifle.
Your presentation skills are impeccable. I began deer hunting in 1975 with a 742 Woodsmaster in 30-06. The round is ubiquitous to say the least. The recent craze of the 6.5 Needmore is entertaining. At 3000 FPS with a 150 gr bullet, the '06 if created today would be considered a non- belted magnum.
Truly a proven cartridge that is timeless.
yet another person who's been hurt by the cweedmoor
Haha they are both great cartridge with a lot of versatility. As a hunting cartridge the 30-06 is about as good as it gets. As a target cartridge I have to give it to the Creedmore because it might be one of the most consistent cartridges around, and it has half the recoil as the old war horse. I cant say there is a cartridge I dont like though 😂
My first '06 was a 742 Woodsmaster! It was given to me as a gift from my dad when I was 14. I killed a deer with it each of the 4 seasons I hunted with it until I got my first bolt action as a high school graduation gift.
.30-06 was made to tear down the Devil's Playground🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
God's cartridge
yes sir🇺🇸
I'm from Newfoundland, Canada and I can honestly say that the 30-06 has probaly taken more big game here (Moose, Woodland Caribou, Black Bear) than any other rifle. Its reliable, versatile, and has more than enough knock down power. I've used other calibre's and find this... .270 is great but barely enough power for a mature adult moose. I've seen them travel quite a distance after being hit in the vital area because the speed of the bullet and size didn't expand, leaving a smaller hole and less damage. I've seen this happen with a 7mm as well as the bullet is too fast. .300 win on the other hand has too much impact, leaving a lot of damage and ruining a lot of meat. I only use premium ammunition and carefully choose bullets with deep penetration and maximum expansion. The 30-06 is about as perfect a balance that you could find here in Newfoundland for knockdown power without sacrificing too much prime venison.
I totally agree. Im 76 and have been hunting deer etc since i was old enough. Ive used everything from a 30-30, .50 cal 1760’s flintlock, a .20 gauge shot gun with rifled slugs. My longest shot as with the flint lock at 237 paces and a one shot kill dead in his tracks. The bullet as a pure lead .495 round ball with .010 spit patch. The closest was a 6x6 bull elk with my 30-06 at. 25 paces. All were one shot kills. No matter which caliber used, it all is shot placement.
Well I have to tell not all Moose are the same !!
You are hunting a smaller of 5 types of Moose with the largest off all Moose are the Yukon Moose from Northern BC to Alaska .
This is the same TH-cam ignorance in calling all handguns are Alaskan bears guns because some fool shoots a small black bear with a glock 9mm .
I was nearly killed repeated by my clients who would being a 30-06 on the guided hunts I guided.
30-06 against a Yukon Moose of 1200 to 1500 pounds can turn dangerous to the hunter real fast .
The Yukon moose can be killed by a 30-06 but it can live to a point to attack the hunter and kill someone before dying .
Yukon moose in the rut are one mean Hugh animal .
Never saw a difference in effectiveness on moose as long as they were hit in the vitals with a good bullet. 30-06, 308, 300 WM, 6.5x55, 7mm-08 etc. Put a good bullet in the organs they need to live, that's that.
@@Lure-Benson I am well aware of that. But I was only referring to the game right here in Newfoundland and the effectiveness of the 30-06 right here in this province. A rutting moose can be mean no matter what species you hunt. But right here with the Eastern Canadian moose, I'm quite confident with my 30-06 to not only kill the animal, but to protect me from dangerous encounters. If I were hunting the Alaskan/Yukon moose, I would reconsider my choice of caliber and would most likely use a .300 win.
I’m from Newfoundland as well and I can attest the the 30-06 is by far the most versatile rifle for BIG Game here on the island, I’m a left handed shooter with a dominant right eye (yeah I know its a bit messed up but I’m proficient and got use to it at a young age) I currently shoot a Remington 742 auto and Remington 7600 pump using 165gn for the most part (moose, black bear and caribou).. 180gn for BIG MOOSE within 300 yards .. 150gn for Sport/Comp shooting targets . I don’t think I’ll ever switch to another round , don’t see the need .
I live and hunting in Europe ,and in last 30 years 30-06 is top 1 by popularity here.It is popular in Russia.I think that no other catridge in the world history of hunnting, did not drop so many animals like 30-06 Springfield.It is a legend definitly.
Thank you for sharing that ciro. I didn't know the 30/06 has become that popular.
I recently found your channel and I gotta say I like it. What I like the most is your approach of “what ever works for you.” From camouflage to cartridges you just say “here’s the info, decide what you want” it’s very refreshing and helpful. Keep it up!
Thanks Aidan, and truth be told we can make almost anything work. It just comes down to what works best for us as individuals, and we all have to figure that out for ourself.
Great history on the 30-06 Tom. In 1949, my grandfather bought a new Remington 721 in .270. I never got the chance to ask him why the Remington and why .270 rather than a Winchester model 70 in .30-06? He passed before I discovered my interest in firearms and hunting. Not that there’s anything wrong with the Remington or .270, but I wish I knew what my grandfather thought when he selected them. He primarily hunted Whitetails in northern New England, some pasture land and some heavy forest. As a kid, I remember all the deer hunting stories he told and the fun he had with his buddies in the 1950’s hunting. Anyway, enjoyed the video Tom. Thanks.
We all like more guns in our safe and I've got one of what all my friends have . I use to despise the .06 but it's just about all rifles wrapped up in one if you load yourself, I've got a few different calibers of rifles collecting dust but I've got 5 .06s that will do anything or better than any of those other ones. It's simply amazing the fun and the serioness that you can do with the hidden talents in the Best rifle ever made. 🇺🇸💥🇺🇸
Love my 3006. Very versatile. A boat load of different types of ammo. Will not kick you like a mule. And gets the job done very well. Thanks again Tom. Have a great week
I’ve settled on the 30-06 after trying some of the other cartridges. I love and adore the thirty aught six. It’s a proven round.
my Grandpas used it in WWI my Dad and uncles used it in WWII and Korea, i grew up deer hunting with the 30.06 i just think
its something they Got Right, and no reason to switch, i spent 7 plus years in the US Military got aquainted with the .308
its pretty close, but not that im out, im back to using a Remington 700 in 30.06 keeping it real.
I remember an article written by Jim Carmichael about a hunt in Africa. He had taken a rifle chambered in 30-06 and happened to have it in hand when 3 Cape Buffalo came trotting by. Old bull had the largest horns / boss Jim said he'd ever seen. He put the sights on that bull, squeezed the trigger and flattened him like a 416.
My dad once told me a 30-06 is hard to beat. It might not be the latest and greatest, but it's proven. It's track record and resume speak for itself.
Sounds about right to me.
30-06 is garbage. Please message me and I can personally dispose of all your 30-06 ammo and rifles for you. You’re welcome.
It's definitely a good one
Thanks for your excellent comments on this most excellent of cartridges, the 30-06. It's one of my favs.
Thank you for an excellent presentation of the 30-06 and covering the history of the cartridge evolution. I recently bought a Savage 110 Hunter chambered in 30-06 and was initially concerned with reports of high recoil. After sighting in the rifle and shooting from a standing position, I understand the relevance now after viewing your video. I hunt brush and low grass areas of Florida and will probably never get a shot beyond 100 yards. I look forward to many years of service from this rifle and now consider myself committed to the cartridge. Thanks again for your insight and contribution.
Love the 06 been shooting and reloading it for almost 50 years. To each his own but I will stick with the 06. Nice talk.
Im a relativley new shooter/hunter, (been shooting for about 2 years, and cant Get enough) i heard all the rage about these new 6,5s but i listened to my grandpa and went with a 30-06. Best choice i ever made. i have a rifle in 6,5x55 swedish (old 6,5 caliber used in the swedish mauser and Norwegian krags) that i love, but nothing beats the .30
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@@larsvab3690 6.5x55 swede is great cartridge to introduce new shooters to. Using 127 barnes lrx perfect deer load
It's never failed me, you can either shoot, or you can't
@@bangarang74 i dont care for 30-06 prefer my 300 winmag. But I am building 1903a4 match rifle in 30-06 will use 208 eld-m for a match/coyote load
The only caliber I trust is the 30-06 I won't use anything else it has worked since its creation
Abel, you're missing out on some great cartridges.
@@easttexan2933 given the loadings for 30-06 you can get virtually the same performance as any other rifle in my case a slower moving round benefits my hunting more than something like a 270wsm or a 300 win mag on account of thick woods a 220 grain 30-06 bullet turns it into a brush gun for me that's why I won't use anything else
@@abelguerra8284 Well stated. I have no issues with the 06. In my younger days I hunted with one almost entirely. At 75 I just enjoy shooting the ones with less recoil. I have a 6.5x55 Swede since 2000 and I really enjoy this rifle.
@@easttexan2933 it's a good cartridge will do the job perfect for how long it's been around and the 7x57 Mauser is an excellent cartridge even for today's standards I justgot to the point I was tired of hearing the ballistic coincidence on bullets that's only good for long range and does no good for short ranges that most hunters ethically take game
Have you ever tried 22lr? Might keep a bit more meat on your small game.
30-06 works though, for sure.
I've watched so many videos I've actually bought my first 30 odd 6 in 2020 I grew up on a farm I'm 54 my grandpa was a gunsmith but I bought my own brand new and like your video I seen and heard so many stories but your video explained it in a way that made me grin and smile and not feel that I made the wrong choice thank you very much take care and be safe
Excellent and accurate coverage of a pivotal piece of firearms history. Well done.
The first and only rifle I ever bought was purchased in absolute ignorance of what I was buying. I simply told the sales guy at my local gun shop that I wanted to buy a "
deer rifle." This was in 1968. He handed me a used (it turned out to be pristine) pre-64 Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 30.06 (with a Redfield scope on Weaver mounts), extolling the features, advantages and benefits of that rifle. What did I, a 20-something kid, know? I took it. $140 bucks!
Now I'm an old man and I still have that great gun, something I will hand down to one of my sons. Sometimes you''re just plain blind-lucky.
I enjoy your little talks, Tom. Thanks....
Plain blind-lucky or blessed? Thanks for sharing that Flylooper. It really put things in perspective as far as how much chance plays a role in finding a great rifle. And that reminded me of how much chance played a role in me learning what little bit I've managed to pick up over the years.
Some people have all the luck😂 my first rifle other then a Sears 22 was a Ruger M77 in 30-06 in the early 60’s when they first came out and my dad was hunting with a pre64 308 featherweight at the time and we have taken more deer and elk then I can count in the 60 years I have hunted so I guess we all get lucky sometimes!
Very well explained. When I was looking for a hunting rifle on a very limited budget, I found myself a very nicely sporterized 8mm-06. Brought over after some war, pressure tested in England, built by Brno in 1938 for the Persians. Rechambered to 8mm-06 back in the 50's. The bore is still shiny and tight, she shoots straight and amazingly flat with a 200 grain boat tail and some 348 powder. Very easy to neck up a 30 06 shell and plug in an 8mm boolat. I paid $375 Canadian. Knocked a Whitetail right out of his boots 2 years ago. Can't wait to put try it on the Queen's beef.
God bless the old 30 06.
"...Just look at their advertisements." And yet, I have yet to see any animal taken by 30-06 stand back up and say, "yeah, that 300 Win Mag laid me flatter."
There is definitely good reason 30-06 is still the most popular hunting cartridge. It's one of those that every gun owner should have in their collection for no other reason than it is the most reliable "stand-by".
Spot on mate 👍
Agree completely, and LOL!
Your comment is the textbook example of "bullshit reasoning". What about all the animals that have been missed, or have not been recovered after being shot with a 30.06 sprg? Yeah mate, 300 win mag & .308 win > 30.06 any day of the week
@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR "Textbook" huh? If there is a textbook, I think you'd be the one to read it. Your answer doesn't have any coherent reasoning; .308 and .300 WM > 30-06? In what situation is one better than the other? I could find a miriade of niches where one of those could exel more than another. You made a blanket statement without any variables. Place your shots better dude, and don't be a troll.
Go hunt the Yukon Moose in Alaska which is the largest of all 5 kinds of Moose.
It will take 5 to 10 30-06 before that Moose is on the ground and you have a High possibility of being attacked .
And be stupid try to hunt Alaska coastal brown bears with a deer gun 30-06 then you really have a death wish !
Thank you for making this video. I have me a Bushmaster 30-06 semi and love it. Here in B.C. Canada I cant wait to start hunting White Tail deer with it. I have been trying to set up the scope at the target range and love the power. A lot of people ask me if it is a 308. I smile and tell them nope just a little 30-06. They often ask me if I can turn it down a little, laughing of course. I have been using 180 grain shell. The scope I have on it was damaged from a 4 wheeler case. So gonna put on a Vortex 3-9 50mm I think about $400.00. Looking into loading my own brass as well. This is the first video of yours I have watched and love your passion for the firearms and the free history lesson as well. Can't wait to watch your other videos. All the best to you.
Thanks for your history and insights, I love my Tikka T3 lite 30-06 for Wisconsin deer hunting with 150 grain core-lokt ammunition. It just works.
There's nothing that can't be fixed with a thirty ought six..
Yeah that's mostly true, although I caught flack on occasion when I was boy, shooting groundhogs with my daddy's Garand....
I can't express how much I appreciate this content.
One of my sons asked me what cartridge I'd recommend for an 'only' hunting rifle for use in western Canada (BC and Alberta).
First, I said I'd prefer to recommend four cartridges; the .22LR, a 'light' centrefire like the .243 Win, a 'medium' centrefire like the .270 Win and a 'Big Boomer' like the .338 Win Mag.
No, he wanted a single, 'all purpose' hunting rifle. ("No such thing" didn't get me anywhere.)
So, I recommended the .30-06.
I always said that to live off the land in Alaska, all's you need are a 22lr, a 30-06, and a 12ga shotgun.
Excellent answer.
I've shot everything from ground squirrels to AK moose with my -06, so yes, I'd give it the "only" designation if needed.
If you have to have "a rifle" one rifle.
The '06 will do it, and if you're feeling adventurous a reloading kit.
I have a Lee Classic loader a small bag of components and a rubber mallet.
Once I got everything adjusted and just how I wanted it, I was able to reload 20-50 rounds in the field with only a tree trunk or a large rock for support.
@@linkbond08 This is is impressive. Now I know you're not from the South lol
Great video! I really enjoy your videos and your talent for storytelling. Thanks for paying proper respect to my favorite cartridge and some of its original military and commercial platforms. That said, I was a bit surprised at no mention of the 1917 rifle, which far outpaced the Springfield in production as well as surplus availability following WW1, so much so that it became the preeminent platform for experimentation with the heavier Magnum cartridge development. (Yeah, I'm a huge 1917 fan. 😀)
Great points. The reminder on the right bullet for the game hunted is so often overlooked, but especially important no matter the caliber.
Thanks Jim, and I almost forgot to throw that part in myself.
Very true, I had the same experience with a ruger american 243 as he had with a 3006 in the video, I kept getting good shots on deer and then loosing them, even some that I clearly seen drop, and the ones that didn't get away (which is at least 3 or 4, 1 of which I tracked for a mile with a lung shot up and down steep hills), finally I decided a 243 wouldn't cut it, my problem was bullet selection, federal soft points in 243 are not suitable for deer, they had a habit of not expanding, so I decided I wanted a 3006, the one I got was a worn out pile of junk, wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside and it didn't cycle well either, 1969 model remington 760, that was what I wanted because of a 1961 model I've used that's an absolute tack driver, anyway I traded that 3006 for a Mossberg MVP Varmint 5.56, it was worth over twice as much as that 3006 and I just wanted the 06 gone, the MVP, just like the American 243, was an absolute tack driver, loved the rifle, but the action felt about like a mosin nagant, and it would only feed from 10 round pmags, also some 5.56 ammo my dad had that I ran through it was showing pressure signs, this was before I really knew a LOT about guns like I do now, still knew quite a bit tho, but I didn't notice the pressure issues till one time I went to pull the trigger and it wouldn't fire, so I picked up the brass from the shot before and looked it over, there was a hole in the primer, that piece of primer was stuck in the firing pin, easy fix, so I looked at the other brass of the same ammo that I'd used, it had done the same thing with them all, except the piece fully came out on that one, so that combined with the sloppy bolt and feeding issues, I got rid of it, I regret getting rid of the MVP and the American, I should have tried different ammo in the American and I should have sent the MVP in to Mossberg, live and learn, have been looking for replacents for those ever since, even asked the guy I traded the 243 to if he still had it and any chance he'd sell it, he told me his dad now has it and loves it, although I know even if I got another, it wouldn't be that one, which my dad got me when I was 13 (thankfully it wasn't my first rifle, I'm not that stupid, I still have that one), but basically I got rid of it because I firmly believed the caliber was the problem when it was just the ammo I was using, I now have a Ruger American Predator 6.5 creedmoor I use for deer, and it is fantastic, but it doesn't fill the void the 243 left
I believe that the 30-06 is the best rifle cartridge for its flexibility. Hand-loaded, it can be used to hunt anything from rabbits to Kodiak bear.
.30-06 in a Winchester Model 70 (pre64 of course). Like me, they're both old and they both work. With all the different loads it's probably the most versatile setup. Thanks for the great video!
My first high-powered rifle that my dad bought me was a 30 ought 6. I have hunted deer with everything from a 243 to a 300 Win Mag and for all the reasons that you just listed I keep going back to the trusty 30 ought 6. You are correct. It is truly the Jack of all trades. And I think quite a few of those trades... it mastered.
And I think quite a few of those trades... it mastered.....Well said!
I have that same book and have read it many times. Very good video and history lesson. I have a kimber hunter in 06. 180 gr. Swift sirroco, 1/2”. My other 06 conversion is a 338/06 ackley improved. Built by David Gentry of Belgrade Montana. I mostly use 200 gr. Accubond at 2885fps. 1/2” groups . I have taken everything from brown bear to antelope. This one will do it all. 3006 parent case.
I used to love shooting long range against people bragging about their 7mm mags. Of course I probably shot more than some of them, but realistically they had no advantages at 400 yds nor do most cartridges at ranges up to 1500 yds.
I call it the .300/06 because now a days we have greatly improved propellents bullets scopes rifles etc etc.
It comes very close to magnum performance without all the pain. Thanks for the chat🤠🇨🇦
Glad you enjoyed it, and I was just reading a similar comment written in one of the reloading manuals. It mentioned how close the 30/06 was to the big magnums in performance but with a lot less recoil and powder.
My first deer rifle was a 7 rm. When I bought it I knew enough that I had all my bases covered. Then I took it on a sheep hunt and by then end of it I had essentially carried a 10lbs walking stick. and never shot it. Tough ass hunt and glad of the experience and to come out alive. But I made the decision to finer tune my boom stick for more all around use and discovered what you're referencing by comparing boxes of winchester expedition lr. Numbers are so close. I ended up with a Browning x bolt stainless stalker in 06 topped with a 3.5-10 vx3i and will never go back. 7.5 lbs loaded carries great shots under 1 inch groups at 200 meters. Will never go back unless I need a backup rifle
I’ve used a 30-06 Remington since 1971 for deer hunting . Although I’ve never kept up with it but just guessing I’ve killed between 150 and 175 deer in that length of time . Many years I’ve killed from 3 to 5 deer a year . I’ve never killed more than 5 in a year even though I can legally kill 6 deer in our state . I’ve always used the Remington 150 Core Lock factory load cartilage and hardly ever had to shoot a white tail deer twice . Most of the time they fall right in their tracks . They rarely go more than 25 yards before they fall when they do try to run . I’ve always checked my rifle every year for accuracy and that’s the key to shot placement . If I can’t get that killing shot behind the shoulder I won’t shoot . I don’t like to shoot through the shoulder because it messes up the meat . We use that meat for ground meat . It’s better to let the deer go than wound a deer and not be able to find him when he runs off . He can live to hunt another day . Thanks for sharing the history on the development of the 30-06 . I enjoyed it very much . Have a blessed day !!
I'm glad you enjoyed it Louis, and it sounds like we share a lot of views! Notice I said that deer that came back was shot behind the shoulder, well even to this day I have a hard time making myself shoot one in the shoulder. And that's one of the few deer I ever shot with factory ammo that wasn't shot with a Core-Loc or Power Point.
Well if you’d shoot the shoulder they’d never take a step & you’d never have to shoot 2x
Do you save hearts? Cause you’re throwing more meat away by leaving heart & liver than you would shooting through the shoulder
@@binko969 oooh, deer heart. Little bit of salt and pepper, seared to perfection. Best part. Too bad the animal only has one.
@@binko969 I have never shot a deer in the shoulder and most deer I have shot dropped in their tracks. Shoulder shot on a whitetail does nothing but damage meat and the deer can still run on three legs. I don't even shoot black bears in the shoulder. Right behind the shoulder and they are both dead in short order. I shoot bears in the neck at close range and it is always instant death.
Tom I I''ve been using the 30-06 for hunting ever since I got out of the service in 1971 and you are right, it is the best all around cartridge for hunting small ,medium and big game. when can utilize reloading everything from 110 grain to 220 grain in one cartridge casing and get them to do what all the others do it's a no brainer. thanks for puting together a really great video!
Great video.One thing you didn’t mention is if you handload is the wide variety of powders that give fantastic results in “standard length” cases. Which the 30-06 is the parent. Great results can usually be achieved using powders you probably already have on hand. Standard long action cases overlap with slow burn rate powders of the magnum calibers and faster burn rates of short action rounds too.
great video , I love the old ought six my favorite hands down ! not flashy or sexy but it flat out works ! have a great day my friend.
In the old if you could have only one rifle argument, for me it would have to be a Winchester Model 70, new or pre 64 in 30.06. Its the only rifle that I know of that takes every type of game in North America, a bunch in Africa and was used by one of the most renowned American snipers to great effect. Kinda hard to argue with those credentials. Great video, God Bless
I'd have preferred a commercial Mauser such as the FN....
@@cs-rj8ru well then, get a new model 70, it is built now by FN.
Great video, i feel like i could listen to you talk all day, and now that I'm subscribed, i might do just that
Thanks Hoff, I appreciate that.
Yup.. u got a thumbs up…nowadays there’s so much hype with new cartridges…it’s just the sales format has expanded expediently …that almost anyone can get behind it…seemingly new is new and a lot of new shooters take it as new and improved….yes firearms has come a long way and with enough cash can buy you a lot of new technology but knowing they are a lot of good old school cartridges out there that stood the test of time ( and wars ) is basically never going away…the 30/06 has earned its reputation in my book 👍🏼
that was a great discussion of the 06. In my younger days I used the 06 and 30-30 exclusively. They worked and still do. I would never bad mouth the 06 simply because it kills what you hit. At my age (75) the recoil plays a big factor in my decision what to shoot. I guess that's why I truly enjoy my 6.5x55 Swede. Looking forward to the rest of the videos on refurbishing the stocks on those two classic 06's. As Col. Jeff Cooper stated, "not many problems can't be fixed with $700 and a 30-06".
I believe Moses brought the 6.5x55 down from the Mount........
@@cs-rj8ru "thou shalt not kill (but if you do, I recommend the 6.5 swede). Forgive me Lord, I just couldn't help myself.
@@easttexan2933 I have the 6.5 swede . Love this round and didn't know this would become biblical. This is a very nice snipper round.
👍 you're the 1st person I ever heard talk about matching shot placement to bullet wt. The details make the diffrence. I'd like to see you do a video on everything leading up to the shot and afterward.
Sir, I must say I have thoroughly enjoyed this video!
Maybe it helps that I've used the ol' 30'06, although chambered in rem 700 bdl, as my main white tail hunting rifle near all my life. Then again maybe it's because of your warm and calming tone. Regardless as my friends and acquaintances all fawned over the 300 ultra mag in the Sendero rifles in the 90s, or the market hyped 300 wsm's, my old '06 hunting companion was faithful to do his job. Congratulations on a great video. I know its not new, but I'm glad I ran across it.
Excellent video. I shoot 165 grain Game king bullets for everything but varmints, there I use 110 grain hollow points! I’ve had 3 1903 A3s and a M1917 Enfield in 30-06. I’ve owned a 300 Savage, a 270 Husquavarna and several 30-30s, but the Ought Six is my favorite!
I learned how to shoot on the M1 Garand and the Springfield. I loved the Garand and how it shot. The Springfield had a steel butt plate and it ate me alive but I could damn near hit flies at 300 yards. You take what you got. I really like "shooting" my Ruger .22 so, we have a variety of rounds for good reasons.
Excellent video once again Tom 👍 there will always be an 06 in my cabinet 👌
Thanks James, and it would be tough to imagine me not every having one as well.
Great video! I learned something about the history. For me 30-06 gives me tons of confidence when I go into the woods based on its track record. All I have to do is my part.
I'm glad you enjoyed it BamaYaker, and it definately gets the job done when it counts.
It's way over kill for what you southern guys are hunting though LOL. Literally, you guys down there would do just fine with a .223 and nothing more lol
30-06 is by far my favorite rifle ever made because it's so versatile and I appreciate the history of it
Out standing piece of education sir, thank you!
I have different rifles, but my Wetherbee Vanguard stainless 30-06 is freaking awesome! I reload different weights for different things, its very versatile.
What's your powder of choice?
Sure appreciate the time and effort you put into this video!
Really enjoyed your analogy
Thanks James
Tom, your review and history of the 30-06 was among the better videos I've watched on TH-cam. Your reading of O'Connor's remarks from his "Hunting Rifle" text pretty much reinforced what you'd thought, cool. My only head-scratching moment was about the 256 Newton round; my impression was that it was actually a 6.5/'06. I guess I'll have to look it up.
It's funny that you started your video with the 7x57 history and how the US finally arrived at the 30-06 because I've got a M70 Featherweight in 7x57 but am looking at picking up another M70 in 30-06.
I'm always tickled about how much I agree with your opinions. I guess it's great that we don't hunt with each other because we'd spend too much time arguing about which stands and fields we wanted to hunt for the day. LOL!
Take care and be well! Great video!
The .256 Newton is a 6.5/06.
If I had a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 7 X 57 Mauser, I personally wouldn't be wanting another Model 70 in .30-'06. As big a fanboy of the aught-six as I am, I have to confess a belief that I don't think it does anything that 7 X 57 Mauser doesn't do or can't do.
But hey, it's your money. ;)
@@jerroldshelton9367 Thanks for your comments on the Newton, I'm guessing it was the lands/grooves thing.
As far as the '06 goes, I've found a Super Grade M70 that's got a S/N within a few thousand of a Safari Express I own and thought it would kind of complete a trio of blue and walnut M70's. My wife's Steyr is a 30-06 so there's already boxes of the ammo here, figured I'd pick up another '06 because, in non-crazy times, you can find it everywhere.
I'll take your comments about the 7x57 vs 30-06 and think about it a bit more. The last deer deer taken with my 7Mauser wound up pretty much DRT. LOL, take it easy!
I would love if you did a video on the 250-300 savage and how newton developed it its rarely talked about..it was ahead of its time
Great presentation !!
I must compliment you for your succinct explanation of the .30-06 as compared to other cartridges, whereby you state other cartridges can beat the ol' 06 in certain areas, but they give up something to do so. I've never looked at it from that perspective. As a lifelong fan of the cartridge, a sincere thanks is in order. Thank you.
And thank you for your comments.
Morning Sir thank you so so much for this video its the 1st ever video that clearly explaines alot to me and also gave me new respect for my VEKTOR(mauser) 30-06 rifle I have. thank you loved the video
I'm very glad you enjoyed it Pieter!
this vid was great and NOT what I expected from the title. it might have been shorter: " It WORKS". My favorite cartridge: 30-06...again great vid and thank-you
Love your videos keep them coming
Thanks Craig and I'll try!
Good video. Great talk, great info.
Thanks
My Howa 30-06 shooting Federal Terminal Ascent 175gr is a tack driver or the 165gr trophy bonded.An outstanding caliber for everything,and with 220gr grizzlies/buffalo too.
I really love the casual down to earth videos they make on this channel. I'm a big fan of the less edited video style, reminds me of Hickok45.
If my style reminds you of Hickok45 then all I can say is thank you very much for that. I'm a fan of his as well. Know if I could only shoot a handgun like him!
I like the 30-06. You can download it to shoot like a 30-30 cal. You can upload it to shoot like a 300 Winchester mag. And you can shoot it with a .22 sabot or a spitzer that pretty accurate.
Some people shoot 1000 yd. competitions with it. It can be very versatile. I think you covered most of these points.
The recoil is the most negative thing about it. If I could only choose one gun and reload it. I would choose the .308 Win.
Thanks for the informative and interesting video on the 30-06 Mr River. I contemplated buying a 30-06, but ended up choosing the .270 Win instead. I probably someday will add one to the collection as well, since it’s such an iconic cartridge, and the bullet selection is out of this world for re-loaders compared to the .270 Win.
I’ve always had a special desire for really fast cartridges of smaller caliber for target shooting, but then I started to read about barrel burners.
From what I have read, smaller caliber projectiles being propelled by good sized powder loads tend to wear barrels out quicker 😩. Having a .243 Win it makes me wonder how many shots I can expect out its barrel? I also wondered if stainless steel barrels such as what my .243 Win uses might last a bit longer than a regular steel type barrel in this smaller caliber? So with all this in mind, I wonder if there is some magic caliber dia at which the barrel life increases substantially in say a long action cartridge, as well as a short action with a relatively large powder charges. Would it be safe to say .30 cal is the size that barrel life seems to extend itself noticeably with 2900 + fps type cartridges? I’m sure the life of a barrel would also depend on how hot you let it get when shooting through it. Your thoughts or anyone else’s is welcome.
Thanks and God bless.
Mike, it sounds like you already have a handle on barrel life but basically it comes down to heat and pressure. And your .243 is going to shoot for decades to come with no problem. But if you were to neck down a 7mm mag case to 6mm you would have a barrel buurner just because it would be so over bored (to much powder for the given bore diameter). And yes stainless helps extend your barrel life. The 264 Win mag was famous for burning out barrels but I hear they're doing a lot better these day especially with the stainless that's available? With standard hunting cartridges it really isn't an issue which is in part why they became the standards. But I heard some one say something once that I thought made a lot of sense. They said worrying about barrels wearing out is like worrying about wearing out the tires on a car. I always thought that made sense. I just mentioned it because I was think about older rifles in particular. You wouldn't want to buy an older rifle and then have to rebarrel it. And at a certain point rifles become rare enough that you just don't want to change anything. But again it sounds like you've done your homework on this.
For a given bore/caliber a lighter bullet requires less pressure to reach the muzzle. Less pressure equals less barrel wear.
Even though the lighter projectile is going faster than heavier projectile from the same barrel, friction makes up approximately 1-3% of total barrel erosion.
So, all things equal, the lighter projectile requiring less pressure will promote longer barrel life.
Obviously, if you do a magazine dump and sustain higher and higher temperatures over say, 100 rounds, barrel wear is increased exponentially to the point of serious material loss at the throat and lands
Thanks Tom
I’m looking forward to firing my Husqvarna 1600 series and my FN 30.06 Mauser (full-wood circa 50’s)
This is a great calibre.
is the original tree stock on that rifle?
They are not fun to shoot with originals.
I myself have a Husqvarna 1651 in caliber 358 Norma Magnum.
It has a completely different custom stock.
Of course, I have our 1900 Carl Gustaf in 300 win mag.
Carl Gustaf 1900 is the same as Husqvarna 1900.
But the new ones are made in Italy.
It is not at all the same quality compared to how the Swedish ones are.
It goes so well with the shutter and in the passage and when you repeat it, it can't be better.
This is why it is said that we Swedes became world champions at criticizing everyone else and the hinge effect when repeating the rifle.
I cracked my eyebrow with a Stiga in 30-06, it's a little worse than the Husqvarna 1600 with the original crooked stock.
Come join the half-moon club, we call it when you get a black eye or a cracked eyebrow.
If you get the chance to buy an original Swedish bouncer, buy a Husqvarna 1900 or Carl Gustaf 1900.
There are many used ones here in 30-06, nobody wants them.
All but only in 308 win.
I'm not too afraid of a little recoil.
I am happy with my 1651 Husqvarna 358 Norma Magnum.
Winchester made 338 wins after Husqvarna made their 358.
They are both almost identical in effect.
More energy at short distances with 358 Norma.
I've had 338 win as well, both are very good calibers for moose and wild boar.
Gives a good effect and the animals die quickly and have a short escape distance if they do not fall directly into the blast.
For 500-600 dollars you will find many Husqvarna and Carl Gustaf 1900 here that can be imported.
Be sure you get a Swedish and not Italian made as the company Zoli manufactures.
@@spikestern3237
I love my original 1600 in 30.06.
Never suffered a black eye 😂👍🏻
Yes, there is nothing wrong with the quality.
It's a bit rickety when you repeat.
Then it is good if you can handle the original.
The one I cracked my eyebrow at was a Stiga.
They are not good at all, the tree stock on the Stiga makes them very uncomfortable to shoot with.
Then the stock on a Husqvarna 1600 is much better.
But the one on 1600 is not modern and optimal right away.
You know what’s funny, when I was 15 I chose the 7 mm Remington magnum for the same exact reasons for my first rifle that I bought on my own. It was a budget Cabela’s special model 710 from Remington. I still have it, although I mostly shoot my 270 from Tikka these days. People like to rank on the model 710 because of things they’ve heard but I’ve taken about 12 mule deer with it here in Washington state, more than a lot of people can say they’ve done with one rifle. Just goes to show you that marksmanship is more important than most things ha!
I think the reason alot of people don't like the 30-06 is, because it can perform as good as their favorite caliber
even better in most cases.. and ppl get butthurt over it .. same with the .308
When I was deciding on a deer rifle, I looked for a cartridge that was versatile enough to use for game other than whitetail deer. The .30-06 fit the bill, with a wider range of bullet shapes and weights than any other. I chose a Ruger Model 77 R, and with handloads it could shoot minute of angle. With practice I could fire a five-round group small enough to cover completely with a quarter. I loaded and sighted for 1" high at 100 yards, which gave me a dead hold out to 225 yards, and I knew the ballistics well enough to adjust for longer ranges, though here in PA such a long range shot would be rare. I had an idea in the back of my mind to go out west for mulies, pronghorns, and elk, a dream never realized, though the cartridge could be loaded specifically for each. Now that my health no longer allows me to hunt, I miss that sweet rifle with its dependable load, and the satisfaction of shooting it.
I’m very partial to my 30-06 also. Great video. 👍
Interesting video. I've hunted with the .30-06 for the past 55 years. I use a 150-grain bullet for deer and pronghorn, and a 180-grain bullet for elk. No complaints and my freezer has been kept well-stocked over the years. The .270? You won't catch me bad-mouthing that caliber for deer and elk. A good friend of mine hunts with this caliber and he has done as well as me in bringing home the meat. Thanks for the video!
Same with me and I use 150 and 180 grain bullets all my life with the 30 ought 6 hunting and for two years now competitively shooting amateur style out to 1,300 yards with both of those bullet weights and the 165 grain and I got to say at 1,300 yards it's still hits goddamn hard.
I handload 165 grain boat tails for most everything in 30-06, and am pleased to be able to handload 220 grain Nosler Partitions when I am hunting deer in grizzly country. They all shoot well. The versatility of this cartridge plus manageable recoil and being able to find ammo anywhere keep it on top.
What an awesome presentation. I really appreciated the history of the evolution of other bullets from the seminal .30-06, and really, of course, the Mauser. Anyway, growing up and listening to the wisdom of others, it has been noted that this round will take all game up to maybe the largest in North America. You could hunt elk and even moose, possibly. As others noted here, a range of powders and burns and amounts. A huge range of grain weights. And, of course, the neck down that allowed shorter action. For example, my favorite round is the .308 Winchester and I have three rifles in that caliber.
Guys can hunt deer just fine with .270 and .243. As I have mentioned before, there is a youtuber guy called deermeatfordinner and he brought down a mule deer, which is a large blacktail, with a 6.5 Creedmoor, his newest and favorite rifle. Because it has low recoil, awesome accuracy, and it brought down a mule deer, and it will bring down whitetail and feral hog, if you want.
I think it is probably slightly easier to handle than magnum rounds. I thought about and I think the reason most people don't hunt with a .338 Lapua Mag because of the huge kick. Guys who regularly use .338 Lapua Mag are usually special forces soldiers shooting tanks and ammo depots of enemy agents. In so doing, they are often able to set up a situation that manages the recoil. Sand bags, drag bags, A layer or two of BDUs. As opposed to us hunters, especially us who hunt on public land. There is a good chance that you will not have time to get up to your stand or set up the tripod all pretty and laser sight and get all comfy. You are walking along and the you see him, upwind. 8 points hanging wide. He has not seen you, yet. You have 5 seconds to bring up to shoulder, get the reticle on target and press the trigger. I am totally unafraid to do that with my .308 rifles, especially as I had done some things to lessen even that recoil. A relaxed shooter is an accurate shooter.
I totally value and respect the others here who told of their life-long hunting with the .30-06 Sprg. Engineering principle, if it works, don't fix it.
Personally I'm not a big fan of the 6.5 CM. I don't have anything against it just that there were 2 other great 6.5 caliber cartridges out before it with essentially the same ballistics including the 6.5x55 aka the 6.5 Swede. The 6.5 Swede has been around for well over 100 years and that's one of the cartridges on my short list to get. Personally I see no need to get a 6.5 CM when I can get a 6.5 Swede. Now if I were doing long range target shooting that would be a different story but I'm not. And as for the capabilities of the 6.5x55, the Swedes have used it for decades for moose. So that should say a lot about the actual capabilities of your .308 and the 30/06 because they are both more powerful than a 6.5 anything.
And I've seen some his videos on deer meat for dinner. I always liked that he took hunting and fishing videos to a new place by showing the cooking side of it. And I think he does a great job of promoting hunting and fishing in a positive family friendly way.
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I know plenty of people are excited about the 6.5 Creedmoor and I thought it was mainly for ELD competitions because it has a fairly flat trajectory and it is light weight and low recoil. With a heavy enough barrel and stock set-up, you might not feel it at all.
I like that guy deermeatfordinner because he is a family man with always a sense of joy. And he takes you from the hunt to the gambrel for skinning and quartering, to the table.
And I was a bit amazed that he got a mule deer with his 6.5 Creedmoor. I would shoot no less than my .308 and I know at least one person who would shoot a mulie with no less than a .300 Win Mag.
I did not know that about the 6.5 Swede. I am always learning something from you.
@@ronws2007 why do you feel you need a 308 or 300 mag to shoot a muley?
Great Video! I know lot versatility w/ reloading options but was curious on plain store bought Corelocks or Power Point bullet weights- What you prefer for eastern deer & black bear between 150's & 180"s?
30-06 will do everything that you could possibly need in N. America. I love them and have dies that allows me to easily make 7x57, 257 Rbts, 6mm Rem and 243 Win. (most of what I shoot) from the 30-06 brass which was handy during the last couple of years when components were in short supply. I have an 1895 Winchester that was made in 1909 in 30-03. I shoot standard 30-06 in it and don't worry about trimming the cases between loadings.
Townsend Whelen said, “For most all North American game a good 30/06 is never a mistake”. Finn Aagaard said, “ it works on nearly everything”..... and if that ain’t good enough, Tom Rivers said, “it works”. I’m sold! (Great vid Tom) 👍
LOL, and thank you very much for that Dennis!
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving my first year of deer hunting I used a shotgun and slug next year a 30-30 and the third year a ought six and that's been many many years ago and I've used other cartridges through the years but I still find myself grabbing a ought six More often than anything else it hammers whitetails muleys pronghorns elk moose and bear the important thing is bullet selection and shot placement the animals don't know what they're getting shot with wether it's a ought six or some super big fast magnum dead is Dead
I haft to agree with you it does get the job done! My first rifle was a 30-06 Remington game master pump action and I still have one to this day that I use
Great video. I have an Eddystone 30-06 I’m saving up money to fix up
Nobody can put down the 30-06 it is a superb classic and loved by everyone.
Love my .30-06. a 1944 surplus 03-A4 . Yep the sniper A3. No iron sights , nomenclature split to be visible with scope mounts. Took an extensive search to find the approximate manufacturing date. Jan/Feb of 44. 2 groove rifling. I've tried to replace it just to give it a rest. Haven't liked the replacement rifles as much. 7mm-08 and a .308. ( I used to have a Modelo 1891 Argentine Mauser 7.65mm carbine , it was stolen along with my dad's customized 1891 . We had a neighbor who was a gunsmith , a very very good smith. Sad . But there's your short action from another country ) My next one will be another 30-06 . It works.
I am fond of the 30-06. I shoot it, a 300WM, and a 338WM. The older I get, the more reasons I find to reach for a 30-06. It serves me well. Dropped two feral hogs at 275 yards just this past Saturday. They were just as dead as if shot by the magnum rounds..
I enjoyed this video very much, and subscribed to your channel.. best regards.
30-06 is way over kill for Mississippi boomer.
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My first rifle was a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06. I loved that gun and let my wife talk me into selling it. I’ve been trying to buy it back ever since. Learn from my mistakes guys. Don’t sell any of your guns no matter how hard your wife tries to talk you into it.
The 30-06 is my favorite,I have put more deer on the meat pole than I can recollect,with mine .I'm about 60 now ,and I been hunting with a 30-06 for many years .and it has never failed me.plus it shoots a wide range of bullet weights very well,it is very easy to tailor a specific hand load for your rifle chambered in 30-06.and in these crazy times we are in right now ,I have seen plenty of 30-06 ammo for sale ,it wasn't cheap,but it's out there .I been rolling my own for many years ,so I'm stocked up.but all said the 30-06,is a great cartridge.
That it is!
I've hung god knows how many deer on the pole over the years with a 30-06. I have used everything from a 243 to 300 win mag, but always go back to the 30-06 at least a few times during the season. There is just something about the ole 06 that is awesome. The 25-06 is awesome too.
Great presentation on a controversial subject. I would have to concur with your conclusion. But then I am biase toward the 30-06 as it was the first high power rifle I got to shoot with my Grandfather, when I was 11 years old. Nice memories.
My paternal grandfather did most of his big game hunting with a pre-64 featherweight in 30-06 shooting 165 partitions. He killed everything from buck antelope to bull elk with that setup. My dad watched him shoot a 180” mule deer in Western Colorado at 350 yards using a dead rest. Thus proving the 30-06 shoots flat enough for longer shots. I feel it’s a cartridge everyone should own.
I bought a smith and Wesson 30 06 icon with a camouflage stock and Nikon camouflage 6x9x50 scope.
I like reloading and the choice of bullet's is a lot. Yes you could use a double barrel 50 Buffalo rifle on a deer , but that's ridiculous. But I can't afford to buy a hundred rifles. So I chose the 30 06.
I liked your video. It was very informative.
Ive always been a 30-06 fan. I worked in a large gun store and must admit the 30-06 reigns supreme. It has been in every gun action that exists; bullet weights range from 100 grains to 220 grains; it has taken every big game animal on Earth; has been in three wars, and is the standard for all other cartridges. Nuff said.
Agreed!
You can find rounds in any hardware store in America....can't say the same for other large rounds.
Very informative video 👍
I love my 30/06 rifles.
Great video and very refreshing to see an American gentlemen plainly stating that the 30 06 is a knock off of the 8mm Mauser cartridge, for the 1903 Springfield, which was a knock off of the Mauser rifle. No shame in that, at all. If anything, the US Government of that time is to be commended for responding so rapidly to the needs of its military.
Another interesting video with interesting prspective
Thanks John
I wanted a 270 but bought a thompson center compass in 30.06 for deer hunting. It is guaranteed 1/2 moa at 100 yards right out of the box it does even better then that! Love my tc compass! 1 hole groups at 100 all day!
Great Show.
I got my first deer rifle when I was 14 years old (58 now). It was a U.S. Model of 1917 manufactured by Winchester in .30 / 06 Springfield. It was in a 26 inch barrel sniper configuration with rear peep sights and a pop up rangefinder scaled up to 17oo yards. After I had learned to shoot it without flinching with the recoil, I found out just how accurate that rifle truly was. With the right bullet / load combination and proper shot placement, it will kill anything in North America and a lot of things in Africa as well.
Interesting video. In sweden you often hear the same argument... but in favor of the 6,5x55 swede: it's the smallest cartridge for big game and the biggest for small game. Not the best at anything. Even so, It has "knocked down more moose and bear than any other cartride in sweden. Chose the right bullet and you got just the thing for 2-300 meter birds or a short distant moose and anything in between". Note that the 6,5x55 was the standard military cartridge in sweden and the rifles and ammo was plenty, just as the 30-06 was in the usa. I guess people are different but in some sense very much the same 🙂 Tanks for the video!
Finally someone said something sensible about the 30-06 and it’s uses, good talk. Cheap, available and good enough.
The ol’ 06 has been my favorite centerfire based on the history you describe, not just based on performance. My grandad trained WWII infantry for the Garand and BAR.
My dad has used the ‘06 since the ‘80s for whitetails and coyotes. So what do you think my first centerfire rifle was?
I’m never disappointed with the Marlin MR-7, sometimes wish I had more, other times wish I had less. Being in the middle is the best place to be.
My first deer was killed with my first 30-06. I have .270 and .270 WSM but for the thicker woods I am now hunting, I have migrated back to the 30-06 and have since bought 2 more. I only hunt deer in WV, I've not went out west for larger game. Simply put for what I do it works. If I would go out west for elk, it would be my backup to a larger 30 caliber.
There are many good rounds out there and the Ought Six is among the top of that list, probably the most versatile round for anything from varmints to large Game.
Dropped an elk on the spot from 580 yards back in 2018... I'm still going for it ❤️
My biggest mistake in choosing a .30-06 for my first hunting rifle was that I never had a reason to buy another hunting rifle. 125gr. for antelope, 150- 165 gr. for deer and elk, 180-200 gr. for moose. Wait for the post season ammo sale to buy next year's ammo. Every store west of the Mississippi river stocks .30-06 ammo. At 70 years old, I can lug my < 7lb. Tikka light stainless around all day.
My dad has hunted with a 30-06 for decades. I have his last rifle in my safe, a Remington model 742 woodmaster. He's still alive but he just can handle the recoil of the 30-06 anymore.