KHOTANESE: An Ancient Indo-Iranian Language from China?

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  • @AkhmedKhudododov
    @AkhmedKhudododov 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Amazing! Thank you for providing such a comprehensive collection of that lost language. I saw a lot of similarities with my language. Great job!
    Greetings from a Pamiri Iranic 🇹🇯

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wow, you here!

  • @12.haikalfk80
    @12.haikalfk80 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    Yes!!! Please more ancient/less discovered languages like this!!!

  • @lambert801
    @lambert801 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    The people of Khotan were often referred to as the greatest painters and the most beautiful people on earth in classical Persian literature. They were known as a great, civilized people worthy of respect and admiration.

    • @etherospike3936
      @etherospike3936 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      And then Turkic happened! Pretty much the story of every territory invaded by the Turks.

    • @太守苏定交趾
      @太守苏定交趾 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      they are today good turkic uyghurs😂

    • @C-Farsene_5
      @C-Farsene_5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@etherospike3936 except for Persia

    • @etherospike3936
      @etherospike3936 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Except what ?

  • @dionysus1394
    @dionysus1394 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    I didn’t think we had a substantial corpus of khotanese, at least not enough for a word list this extensive. This is fucking insane and now I want to learn more

    • @mahm8079
      @mahm8079 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      oh it's quite well attested

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@dionysus1394 of course, but this "corpus" which in video is only 1% words of all language, look dictionary H.W.Bailey Saka language

    • @alemshahhalima
      @alemshahhalima 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There’s even a dictionary (old one, from 19 cent I believe)

  • @halbastsabak
    @halbastsabak 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    It is amazing, I could relate many words to similar Kurdish ones with a difference in pronunciation. but these ones caught my intention, shin which is blue in Kurdish, or hamania which is similar to hamin or hawin in Kurdish meaning summer.

    • @太守苏定交趾
      @太守苏定交趾 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      tajik of xinjiang still exist today

    • @huskee7684
      @huskee7684 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      both are iranian languages so it's to be expected

  • @GalaxySeeker-z8h
    @GalaxySeeker-z8h 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    As a Sri Lankan I could only understand the numbers and a few words like my name, far, no, woman, father, mother daughter, horse, blue. Some others were close to old Sinhala though. I Wonder if Pasthun speakers can understand this since both are Eastern Iranic languages

  • @太守苏定交趾
    @太守苏定交趾 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    funny and sad that so many people think turkic uyghurs are indigenous and dont know the sakas and tocharians

    • @Light_spot_
      @Light_spot_ วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Exactly , but they're probably mixed

    • @huskee7684
      @huskee7684 วันที่ผ่านมา

      the sakas aren't "indigenous" either, they are descended from scythian nomads themselves.
      I do hope east turkestan is freed so that all these people can live without chinese oppression.

  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nice great deep dive.

  • @jorgitoislamico4224
    @jorgitoislamico4224 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I love ancient Iranian languages

  • @太守苏定交趾
    @太守苏定交趾 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    tajik of xinjiang still exist today

  • @太守苏定交趾
    @太守苏定交趾 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    south tarim basin was an extension of greater iran in the old days

    • @Light_spot_
      @Light_spot_ วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If you're talking about the Persian empire yes, however east Speaking Iranians were also considered as the enemies who worshiped Daiva and killed Zoroaster and Cyrus the great.

  • @ScythianSnake
    @ScythianSnake 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    vaska video stavū!

  • @s1noxios262
    @s1noxios262 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    if you think on the words you can easily find the Persian cognates , such as bissa meaning all its cognate to old Persian vispa/visa , puls meaning to ask cognate with Persian purs , sve cognate with Avestan spaka and Old Persian spaka/saka and New Persian isbah/sag , rruvasa meaning fox is rawpatha in Old Persian and robah in new persian and so on

  • @aristosoxanshenas2050
    @aristosoxanshenas2050 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    KHOTANESE had a great influenec upon both vocabulary and grammar of Turkic langauges in central Asia and West Asia.

  • @Elhafres
    @Elhafres 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    It sounds like a mixture of Sanskrit, Russian and Portuguese

  • @aristosoxanshenas2050
    @aristosoxanshenas2050 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Interesting in modern persian one says " vassé " meaning " for " cognate with " vaska " in khotanese , in classic Persian " fara " meaning further over there , cognate with " vara = there" in khotanese, " daq " in persian cognate with " dai " in khotanese, , " meh " in Persian , "myau " in khotanese and many many more ....

  • @nikhilalbert3084
    @nikhilalbert3084 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Excellent! Khotan was likely founded by the Gandharan migrants from Kashmir and other parts of Greater Buddhist Gandhara, who migrated to Central Asia, to spread Buddhism, Khotan was conquered likely by the Scythians. The Scythian and Gandharan languages fused and created Khotanese. This is likely how this language was born.

    • @huskee7684
      @huskee7684 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      well not really fused but more like scythians adopted lots of words from the native indian people while keeping their own language

    • @lifeasme3340
      @lifeasme3340 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      It sounds like Pashto 😭

  • @Invisibleeee24
    @Invisibleeee24 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Amazingly as an Indian I could find cognates of 50-70% of the words though it is difficult to find for few but you will surely find one

  • @BigIVI
    @BigIVI 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    As a Kurd I understand more than 70% of the words

  • @Armanjamshidi-q1r
    @Armanjamshidi-q1r 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Unbelievable! as an Iranian I can understand most of this language. It was surprising that I didn't know about this wonderful saka language. Thank you for introducing this unique language.🦁☀️👑♥️🤍💚

    • @depasrik
      @depasrik 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      100%. I’ve suggested that a speaker of current-living Indo-Iranian ought to be saying words and phrases.My guess is that it would sound closer to original Khotanese. The speaker here seems to pronounce in a Vedic coloration.

    • @太守苏定交趾
      @太守苏定交趾 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      you may also understand tajik of xinjiang language

    • @lambert801
      @lambert801 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@太守苏定交趾 We Persians understand 100% of the language of Xinjiang Tajiks. They speak our own language, just with their own unique accent.

  • @choco1994
    @choco1994 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Is it possible to make for Bactrian and Avestan?

  • @huynhphat369
    @huynhphat369 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hey Andy, could you make about Aryan Wushun and Tocharic Yuezhi languages, please?

  • @Invisibleeee24
    @Invisibleeee24 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    5:34 Tvaṣṭa was also name of a Rigvedic God mostly associated as the divine architect

  • @TellTheShadows
    @TellTheShadows วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I want to revive this language!

  • @japaneseapoist286
    @japaneseapoist286 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Is this the proto Wakhi or proto Sarikoli language?

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Alas, but this very similar language

    • @mahm8079
      @mahm8079 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      as close as we have to it

    • @choco1994
      @choco1994 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Wakhi yes

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @choco1994 Wakhi can't will descendant of Khotanese, Wakhi more archaic than Khotanese

    • @choco1994
      @choco1994 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@ Wakhi is a descendant of a saka language which could be similar or even same to khotanese saka due to their geographical positions. But today's Wakhi is structured differently from khotanese

  • @KaungkhantZaw-h2l
    @KaungkhantZaw-h2l 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

    I'd never think that a language existed that's a hybrid of Iranian and Chinese

    • @santaanna5002
      @santaanna5002 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Hui language

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      @@KaungkhantZaw-h2l this dead language, and Chinese words here few

    • @rarearyantroops
      @rarearyantroops 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      It is not a mixture of Chinese and Iranian. It is rather influenced by Indian languages ​​and Buddhist culture. 😁

    • @santaanna5002
      @santaanna5002 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @rarearyantroops you're right, the speakers just inhabited a region located in modern day China

    • @KK-qw9xd
      @KK-qw9xd 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Chinese is not only an language they are some dialects if you say chinese then you mean mandarin because it belongs to sinitic language family

  • @israrsyed2
    @israrsyed2 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Almost all eastern Iranian languages sound like Avestan. Did they origin from Avestan which is the oldest eastern Iranian language close to old Persian and Vedic Sanskrit?

    • @hite.4322
      @hite.4322 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      They are both languages that diverged very early on from proto indo Iranian, and so have been able to preserve certain aspects not found in other languages, this is why avestan sounds like sanskrit even though they aren't very related

  • @depasrik
    @depasrik 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This site needs to have current Indo-Iranian-Farsi-Dari- Tajiki- speakers to pronounce and speak this ancient language.Many Khotanese words and phrases are the same or similar to living Iranic languages.
    Also the person saying words and phrases may be a Russian speaker so when reading the “short text” the rhythm is Russian not Indo-Iranic.

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      No, here words have a Khotan rhythm, because accents in this language were placed at the beginning and in the middle of words, there is a book by H.W. Bailey on this, but the so-called "Indo-Iranians" will use rhythm at the end of words.

    • @depasrik
      @depasrik 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@ScythianSnake Actually It is difficult to know exactly what Khotanese sounded like. There is a good chance that every town and village had its own dialect. But the rhythms may have been similar to current Indo-Iranic languages. My sense is we are working in the dark. Languages are tricky. Meaning there are ways of saying things that one can only learn by speaking, hearing and having cultural references. Meaning language is a living thing. It doesn’t work well in a lab. So we will never know what a dead language really sounds like.

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @depasrik we will not be able to reconstruct a complete picture of those dialects, but one specific one is quite possible depending on the amount of information

  • @alirezamotamedi-vl5yk
    @alirezamotamedi-vl5yk 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    As someone who speaks Persian I could find connection between 30% of the vocabulary and my language. Wakhi which has derived from this language has more lexical similarities w Persian

    • @Nastya_07
      @Nastya_07 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Wakhi is more of a close relative of Khotanese rather than a descendant

  • @YourLocalVuláCreator
    @YourLocalVuláCreator 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    yey

  • @hezbullahhazratzai
    @hezbullahhazratzai 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Eastern Iranian language is Avesta or old Pashto and this language Pashto because some of this word is still useful 🎉

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Pashto and Khotanese have a common origin from the Saka language of the period of the conquest of Bactria

  • @Kalhor9
    @Kalhor9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s really close to modern persian language i understand 30% to 40% of the vocabulary

  • @RandomIndiandude108
    @RandomIndiandude108 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Understood a lot as Gujarati and hindi speaker

  • @Omega.history
    @Omega.history 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    3:35 triple t ?!?!

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Here a little error
      *ttäña

  • @kintetsubuffalo
    @kintetsubuffalo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    it's stopped giving me notifications :(

  • @linezich8680
    @linezich8680 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very similar to persia in aspect of vocab and numbers

  • @hezbullahhazratzai
    @hezbullahhazratzai 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    100% Pashto language 🎉🎉

  • @ReviveHF
    @ReviveHF วันที่ผ่านมา

    According to the archeological excavation in the Henan Province, there are many Caucasian people were used as human sacrificial purposes that derived from Xinjiang area. Very It is likely that the Chinese people from the Xia, Shang and Zhou Era engaging the ancestors of the Khotanese people in many battles, the Zhou state often helped the Shang State to capture the POWs including the Caucasian peoples from Xinjiang area.

  • @wandererinthedust276
    @wandererinthedust276 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Sounds a lot like Pashto.

  • @khanlala9275
    @khanlala9275 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As eastern iranian language speaker (pushto) more than 80% words and PRONOUNCIATION are exactly similar !!

  • @jojobinich7362
    @jojobinich7362 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    契丹文吗

  • @yousefsharifi3393
    @yousefsharifi3393 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a kurdish speaker i would say It looks like pashtu language

  • @TalantDuolingo
    @TalantDuolingo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Yeah i speak this language

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      rraṣṭa?

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ah, tta thu si?

    • @TalantDuolingo
      @TalantDuolingo 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@ScythianSnakeSam

  • @Maia_BG
    @Maia_BG วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Some words are the same as in Slavic languages.

    • @ElamiteMan
      @ElamiteMan 20 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Because it's Indo European language

  • @EmranNaimi-f8v
    @EmranNaimi-f8v 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It has Sanskrit and Dari words!

  • @behzadparsa
    @behzadparsa 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    💚🤍❤️

  • @IrgiFahrezi-wh2wu
    @IrgiFahrezi-wh2wu 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wusun language please

  • @Enno9
    @Enno9 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    There are some similarities with slavic languages

  • @ahmadagha1971
    @ahmadagha1971 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Some word same kurdish word

  • @ahouranouri516
    @ahouranouri516 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The person reading mispronounced alot of things. For example, the word for "many" isn't pronounced "Para" it is pronounced "Fara". I know this because the Kurdish word for "many" is "ferä"

    • @dalivincibey8817
      @dalivincibey8817 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      you can't reconstruct an east iranian language with kurdish, as kurdish didn't exist up until the 13th-14th century and is not an east iranian language.

    • @ikhebdieishetnietgoeddathe4057
      @ikhebdieishetnietgoeddathe4057 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Because it begins with an f in Kurdish doesn’t mean it should begin with F in Khotanese. They are two different languages after all. What if Khotanese lost the F sound because it turned into P?

    • @ScythianSnake
      @ScythianSnake 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@ikhebdieishetnietgoeddathe4057 yes, this is exactly what happened with the Saka language at the beginning of our era, for example, Pashto is a descendant of the Indo-Saka language of the same period as Khotanese and it also lacks the sound F

    • @ahouranouri516
      @ahouranouri516 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@dalivincibey8817 OK, let's think you're right. What about Persian? Persian as a language is atleast 2500 years old, right? Well, in Persian, the word for "many" is "Farâvân", not "Parâvan"

    • @ahouranouri516
      @ahouranouri516 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ScythianSnakeI suppose that makes sense.

  • @joseg.solano1891
    @joseg.solano1891 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Khotanese vs Wakhi

  • @arashniroomand7930
    @arashniroomand7930 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    This one looks like Russian

    • @Aresydatch
      @Aresydatch 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      It's Vaugely slavic but it's an Iranic language. I'd assume it's because of it being frozen in time

    • @Sonilotos
      @Sonilotos 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Maybe since it's a Satem language.

    • @vvertyqvverty8784
      @vvertyqvverty8784 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Sonilotos you right.

    • @SerialCreamer
      @SerialCreamer วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There's a lot of linguistic and cultural similarities between balto-slavs and indo-iranians, according to one theory, most of these similarities originated from a brief contact between balto-slavs and proto-indo-iranians, when they still lived in eastern European steppes.. before migrated further east into central asia.

  • @PatriotOfPersia
    @PatriotOfPersia 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    It's Eastran Iranian Language
    The Uyghurs made this language extinct !!!

    • @dalivincibey8817
      @dalivincibey8817 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      you do know that sakas invaded the tarim basin and killed off the tocharians who also invaded and killed off the tarim mummy civilization prior, right?

    • @lambert801
      @lambert801 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@dalivincibey8817 The difference is that the Khotanese were a great and civilized people, unlike those who preceded and succeeded them. Their great culture and civilization was lost on the Uyghurs.

    • @太守苏定交趾
      @太守苏定交趾 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      and people today think turkic uyghurs are indigenous😂

  • @huskee7684
    @huskee7684 วันที่ผ่านมา

    there's no such place as xinjiang, china. it's east turkestan.

    • @shamm1053
      @shamm1053 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cry louder Turko

    • @giorozaitien646
      @giorozaitien646 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      that was also west turkestan. east and west turkestan was separated by altai mountains. However, east turkestan was occupied by Mongols todday.

    • @ElamiteMan
      @ElamiteMan 21 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      There is Nothing Such as East Turkistan!
      It's Xinjiang !!!

  • @luxinogen6651
    @luxinogen6651 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Saka are yuezhi

  • @patrikstar8466
    @patrikstar8466 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The last branch of Scythian, that was obliterated by Uyghur barbarians coming from Mongolia.

    • @太守苏定交趾
      @太守苏定交趾 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      tajik of xinjiang still exist today

    • @Nastya_07
      @Nastya_07 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Despite the relation being mentioned often, there is actually little evidence for Khotanese actually being the language of the Eastern Scythians
      1. The Khotanese never described as Saka or Saka descendants by their contemporaries, and they also didn't identify themselves as Saka
      2. One feature that Khotanese has is the development of Proto-Iranian '*ćw' into 'ss' while it developed into 'sp' in most other Old Iranian varieties; among the Indo-Saka, we do have a few names with 'sp' and there appears to be none that have the Khotanese 'ss'
      Some more argument against their relationship are in:
      Peyrot, M. (2018). Tocharian B etswe ‘mule’ and Eastern East Iranian
      And additionally, this issue is also covered in the Musaem Scythia blog post "Did the Saka migrate to the Tarim Basin and founded the Kingdom of Khotan?"
      But um, we do have a living Scythian language, Ossetian, and even if we include Khotanese in anyway it does have a close living relative, Wakhi

    • @shamm1053
      @shamm1053 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@Nastya_07
      The blog contains incorrect pseudo-information, it's definitely not a scientific source. there is substantial evidence or strong indications that khotanese was a Saka language. However, self-identification is a separate issue. Subbranches of a language do not necessarily undergo the same linguistic developments. For example, Wakhi has preserved many archaic features that do not exist in Khotanese or other Saka dialects.

    • @shamm1053
      @shamm1053 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@Nastya_07
      Why do you argue that Wakhi is a close relative of Khotanese, while at the same time using the *ćw > śś development as evidence that Khotanese is not a Saka language? Wakhi itself has preserved many archaic features that differ from Khotanese. Therefore, this argument cannot be used as definitive evidence.

    • @shamm1053
      @shamm1053 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@Nastya_07
      Arguing that they are not Sakas simply because they do not identify as such is like claiming that the Sogdians were not Iranic just because they did not explicitly state it. The classification of Khotanese as a Saka language is based on extensive research, drawing from various reports, sources, and linguistic evidence.