You can't convince me this isn't political. The US government is spending billions on broadband for rural areas but has rejected Starlink, which has the speed and capacity. Same for the Canadian government. Elon doesn't dance to their tune.
Does the FAA even realize that doing things like this turns them from an authority in the aerospace community into an enemy of the aerospace community, not to mention a laughing stock. After this info getting out, which it has irrevocably done, no backsies, everyone with a well earned engineering masters of one kind or another is going to be giving the FAA a stare-down of unprecedented proportions. A staredown they will not be able to ignore because quite a few of the stares will be coming from within the FAA. Imagine if every engineer at the FAA quit tomorrow in protest, where would their authority on safety come from them??? LOL they don't really understand who they are messing with when injecting politics into this.
They simply don't care about our opinions. This isn't just the FAA ,mind you but everything like entertainment and mainstream news . Everything is about left-wing globalism and anyone pushing back gets this treatment.
Any and all government agencies only want authority and they will do anything to maintain that. They don’t care about actually doing the job they were made to do.
Bureaucrats don’t need expertise, they just need authority. Plenty of bad decisions can continue to be made if all the smart people quit. You can see it happen in every business. I’m fighting that exact problem right now where I work.
It also doesn’t help that the Flight standards branch of the FAA in west Texas (the San Antonio FSDO) is notorious in the aviation community for being a pain in the rear to deal with. I don’t know if it correlates with their issues but I’ve never had a good interaction with them.
SpaceX should announce they are moving Starbase 500m South into Mexico. Mexico has agreed to let SpaceX launch as needed to become the #1 spacefaring country instantly.
If you think Space X is why the US is the #1 spacefaring country, then you're re***ded. The only thing space x does to further development is blowing up rockets and getting re***ds excited about failure.
As a former 36 year DOD employee (active duty Air Force & Air Force Civil Service) hiring more employee's is not the solution. There is zero accountability, so just think of the DMV on steroids. Government waste is the problem.
I used to hear pilots and aircraft owners express real hatred towards the FAA and I thought it was a bit much. Then I bought a plane, a glider. I needed to make a change to my registration - the FAA screwed with me for over a year finding "typos" and issues with the wording on a single page form. What is important about it being a single page? There's no excuse for not finding any and all issues at one time. Not "fix this" I fix it, "fix that" and on and on. I knew I was in wonderland when the most recent examiner told me to undo the original word change that was asked for in the first place. There is no accountability. There is no reason to think these FAA issues have any credibility in view of the fact that Biden has had it out for Musk for his whole term.
FAA is ridiculous. It took them 7 months for them to tell me they needed more information than the more information I already submitted before they'd issue my medical.
@@Seafox0011 Your name calling is telling about the size of your parade. Beside, I think Matt has a good point. Sometimes the easiest thing a government agency can do is to say “No”. Having worked directly with an FAA field certification office personnel I can attest to this. When presenting them with new technology that no one has ever used in an aircraft, they show confusion and negativity. I have agents tell me “this is never going to work” because they were way over their depth. They could not find a way to stop it but they did delay us. Now, every aircraft in the world has this technology in it. How do government agencies work? One of their primary goals is to grow the size of their agency. They need a larger budget next year and creating government overreach is a great way to sell the need for a larger government budgets, more staff and more managers, directors and secretaries. Oh. And this is my real name FYI. ‘sea fox’
@@therealjohnwick4010 Because launching things parallel to a planet makes for very organized launches, and makes the numbers easier to work with/approximate.
@@therealjohnwick4010Launching along the angular momentum of a planet for the purpose of orbiting uses a lot less energy, as the craft is able to use some of that momentum to properly itself. Conversely, if you were to launch in the other direction, against the spin of the planet, you'd use a lot more resources as you'd be fighting against that angular momentum.
Bunch of these agencies in the Federal side needs to be shut down FAA, EPA, FMCSA, Dept. of Energy, Depot of Ag, FBI, CIA, DOJ. Just let the states take control to what the American citizens want.
When out at see one can just throw their refuge overboard so the fish and bacteria can ingest most of it. But where does all the human waste go in space? The legacy that humans leave behind will be their garbage, not their monuments.
Pretty easy. Space X can just stop bidding on Government contracts. "Dealing with the government has become very difficult for us, so we have decided for the time being, to stick with commercial launches and to not bid for government contracts. Please feel free to use our nonexistent competitors". See how long it takes them (especially the military industrial complex) to straighten out the FAA.
"In the light of recent discoveries, we decided to conduct a thorough internal investigation, and stop flying until it's done. So unfortunately we can't bring back your astronauts from the ISS. You still have the Boeing capsule, right?"
Spacex would not exist without government contracts. Tesla would not exist without government contracts subsidies starlink would have not been possible without government handouts. The boring company same. Elon would be nothing without the government. Right where he belongs.
Wouldn't it be ironic if Elon Musk was put in charge of cleaning up the government waste in Washington? Cleaning up the FAA alone would be a full time job for years.
The Constitution is on Elon's side. The FAA may not make laws, that's Congress's job. The FAA has no power to levy fines either. The FAA is only allowed to advise Congress. If states want to make laws they must still follow the Constitution.
I follow the topic a bit: I don't remember a single time in the last few years that FAA has fined or delayed or denied a launch for Boeing. Given their brilliant results lately it seems strange to me that they are so "perfect" compared to SpaceX.
Dont be deceived thats its not reported. This isnt strictly different tghat normal line of business for the FAA. They make serial infractions against orgnisations as a matter of course.
It's worth remembering that Boeing don't have an independent launch capability of their own anymore. They're a stakeholder with Lockheed Martin in the Joint Venture that is ULA and they're a major supplier for SLS, but that's a NASA rocket and not governed by the FAA. Similarly, Starliner is not yet certified and also falls under the governance of NASA for now. Furthermore, Starliner's launch vehicle is ULA's Atlas V.
@@ellieinspace Elle......maybe I'm wrong..........or maybe they are just exceptionally better at paper-pushing......... especially requests for operational changes and/or launch permissions or even a bunch of small pieces of colored paper with the effigy of a president in the center.
@@carlettoburacco9235 *In case you haven't heard, two of their whistle blowers have been murder for exposing Boeing vast major corner cutting and the hiring of cheap unqualified technical engineers. That explained why Boeing planes have been falling out of the sky or its doors are blowing off while flying thousands of feet in the air, etc...*
FAA: Approves Boeing sending a deathtrap to the ISS and approves planes that have fake titanium holding them together, while Boeing soaks up hundreds of millions of dollars in gov contracts Also FAA: Makes it as difficult as possible for SpaceX to fly when they have the best track record for literally a tenth of the cost
SpaceX has had billions in government contracts - even Musk admits that SpaceX would have gone bust without them. It is now a year or so behind schedule for its SpaceX mission to the moon and has not demonstrated a number of key things for Starship: launching a pay-load into orbit, refuelling, reaching the moon, landing on the moon and getting back. These delays are not caused by the FAA - they are caused by the technology not being ready. And if you don't want your flights to be limited by environmental concerns my suggestion would be: don't build your launch site in the middle of a conservation area. (And, no, NASA didn't do that: they built their launch site and then created a conservation area around it - in the areas unaffected by the launches.)
Lol it's all a psyop. Elon is one of them. Dude spoke at the WEF. Space travel is fake. There's a firmament. Operation fish bowl proved it. Its wild how easy it is to manipulate fools that believe government lies
@@philrichards7240 look up the breakdown of how much the Boeing Starliner has cost taxpayers. SpaceX Dragon has cost literally a tenth and works, FAA is the only roadblock
@@philrichards7240Well... - FAA literally stated that these delays are caused by environmental concerns -The amount of government contracts SpaceX gets is still less compared to Boeing and they've already outperformed Boeing with the Crew Dragon spacecraft even though they got less money from NASA for that contract. *That comparison was not for fun, it was making the ver specific point that Boeing has recently risked human lives with their spacecraft while SpaceX has met the safety requirements then the delays/fines were due to some environmental concerns not public safety. -It is not just SpaceX who had delays in the Artemis program, they have gotten the hardest part of the contract to be completed within half a decade while NASA had development time of over a decade for SLS + Orion and they have still faced 2 years of delays. -Lastly, there were no other place to test a rocket like this, you must not have looked into why they decided this place to launch rockets in the first place.
One primary reason airline travel is more safe today than at any prior time is because of the FAA........it's not our institutions that are the problem. It's our own ignorance.
The FAA is the main reason airline travel is safer now than at any prior time in history. Our institutions are not our greatest problem. That award goes to the many unoccupied craniums we must endure.
Thanks, Ellie. The more that attention is brought to this strange regulatory situation, the more likely it is that sorely needed corrections will be made. Unfortunately, it's most often the case that persons in bureaucracies feel compelled to exercise whatever modicum of authority they possess while receiving very little pressure or motivation to act quickly.
you can argue that the train crash spilling harmful chemicals into a small town, poisonous water is flint, Americas crumbling infrastructure and unhealthy chemicals in food probably tell you there is not enough governmental bureaucracy. Given elon makes death trap cars and launches the most powerful rocket ever with no flame pit blasting concrete and rocks for miles, probably means he should be looked at closely.
the Marxist agenda (total centralized administrative control of society) only cares about your rocket company to the degree that you help or oppose their agenda. this is why Boeing gets a free pass but SpaceX is under fire. Elon actively opposes their desire for control of speech, hence this lawfare
BECOME??? You mean how it always was! All governments are dysfunctional until a boot is shoved up the rear end. And then, they become partially dysfunctional until the boot is removed. Then they revert back.
No.. Congress needs to do a full review of the FAA and either scrap the FAA and fire all the employees as it currently is or reign back the FAA authority as it is up the ass's of all companies that fly or launch.
While the FAA is slow, as all government agencies are, don't let these TH-camrs lie to you. The fact is, Musk waited to send in his paperwork. He could have sent it in months ago, but he intentionally waited. The fault is his. If he hadn't waited, there would have been plenty of time for the FAA to do their thing, AND SpaceX could have launched on time.
@@RobertPruitt-y7m Musk waited contingent up on several moving parts being finalized before submitting notification. Private industry is rapidly moving, federal BS is always constipated. Time to clean FAA's house and get things running in a timely manner, maybe you can help.
@@carlwest859 But THAT still makes it intentional, AND it still makes it his fault. And the concerns of the FAA are valid, especially the environmental part. Putting a rocket launch facility in an area with several endangered species, which is exactly what Musk did, is a little less than intelligent. No company should be allowed to harm endangered species so directly. And that's exactly what Musk wants to do.
I'm thinking there was interference from the powers above. The democrats are in a rampage against everything that Elon Musk does. Biden started it but that doesn't matter anymore because the dotttering old fart is on the way out. I was always on the side of the Democrats mostly because of JFK. Now they've exposed themselves as extreme left-wing zealots. The scams and fraud that seems to be surfacing is like shocking. Unbelievable I can't believe this.
The SpaceX open letter to Congress is a more constructive way to try and effect much needed change and modernisation of FAA regulations. A lawsuit will only slow things down for all concerned and the only winners will be the lawyers.
Why is NASA and FAA slow-rolling SpaceX? is it because their fav legacy contractor Boeing is disappearing further behind in the rearview mirror? Made even worse since Boeing was granted twice the budget as SpaceX and humiliating both NASA and FAA.
Years ago I PROUDLY got my Private Pilot License. There was A LOT of training, testing and paperwork. It was a great accomplishment for me, and I worked hand-in-hand with the FAA to get it. I was glad to meet all their requirements proving I could safely handle an airplane. Sadly, I no longer have any faith in the FAA. They have become a nightmare, a political hand of degenerate politicians. They should all be fired ..... and I hope we elect a new President that will do exactly that.
While a $600,000 fine may not significantly impact SpaceX, Elon Musk understands that this issue extends beyond his company. Other organizations eager to advance space exploration may struggle to withstand this kind of financial pressure from the FAA. Making the FAA an enemy to our future and the resources available in space.
Yeah maybe but its the FAA that kept civilian flying in some reasonable state that civilians are protected. Hard won win, I would fight to protect that win so Musk can wait. This is just simply not different and that Booster is a high speed 70 m 200 ton bullet if it fails and flight 3 booster DID fail.
@@johns5558 That's stupid. 1. Starship operation means no risk to planes, those are kept very far away. And there's range safety and other stuff to make sure rockets don't go where they aren't supposed to. 2. Rockets do fail, not just for SpaceX. 3. How does the location of a control center or a propellant tank threaten planes? 4. Why does the FAA care about where the booster lands, as long as it's far away from civilians? The only danger is to SpaceX's own property. 5. Boosters landed before, and even exploded on the same location. What changed since then? 6. The plan for catching the booster is years old. If the FAA had concerns with that, why did they wait until the last second to voice them? 7. Delaying Starship is a civilization level risk. We don't know how much time we have to get that Mars colony going, but it's definitely finite. After all the sh*t that happened in the last few years do I really have to explain this? Starship really should get the same support as the Apollo program. Do you think they'd have delayed the Apollo 11 launch for some turtles or to push a few more papers around?
@@johns5558 That's entirely BS. General aviation and spaceflight are not even remotely in the same category. You either didn't watch the video/ read the documents or are too clouded by your hatred for Musk.. Regulations are not being applied the same across different companies. None of this has to do with safety. Spacex is at the forefront in the US space program. It's our only proven way to get humans to space right now next to relying on Russia. Political bias shouldn't stifle progress. That hurts the entire country. Just because you don't like musk, don't let your bias control you... open your mind a bit.
I'm not a big friend of Elon Musk, but without SpaceX there were only Sojouz available. FAA should stop bullying SpaceX and concentrate more on Boeing!!!!
No, they should stop doing everything and instead concentrate on the projected needs. See, today we have only SpaceX and Boing, but tomorrow there will be several more space companies, that is the urgency. If they cannot cope with SpaceX pace, imagine the chaos when they will have much more to cover. Hiring more staff, streamline response time from days to minutes, proactive look up and becoming a strategic forward-thinking organization.
Thats the answer to the government, the government doesnt need more employees OR money, they need the right employees (politicians) in order to fix the US.
If they cannot cope with SpaceX pace today, imagine the chaos when they will have much more companies and space related' to cover. Hiring more staff, streamline response time from days to minutes, proactive look up and becoming a strategic forward-thinking organization.
I doubt it's an issue of incompetence. Otherwise, why were they miraculously competent, or 'ok' at least, before Elon endorsed Trump? This whole thing reeks of political retribution imo.
@@okirooju3787 Competence crisis is a big thing everywhere, now thanks to deiism and imported third-world tribalism & nepotism, it's rampant all over the West. How many ships has been sunk by DEI crews, how many companies has gone bankrupt, how many big ip's destroyed by them? You can not miss this, unless you are deliberately for that shit. This is what we can measure and see. There is a reason why politics is now total shitshow and no problem ever really gets solved.
Right on Scott. It's a national strategic priority and who can interfere with it should be strictly limited. If Space X withdrew from space, where would the US space program be. In practical terms there IS NO ONE ELSE. except China, India, PRNK and Japan (and europe too but that's pretty much the US 😂)
Its not at all a bad thought. The FAA HAS a mandate for aviation and Musk and SpaceX fall within that right now so they ahve to suck it up. Dont break the FAA who have fought SO LONG and hard to keep civilians alive in aerospace over more than 70 years. baby and the bathwater. Some people are so crazy and shortsighted and Musk is among them here.
And now you wonder why RocketLabs is based in New Zealand. The FAA sounds like the most painful experience seemingly designed to slow down all progress and prevent any future companies from trying.
Thank you Ellie, you are doing a fine job at keeping us informed. I hope and pray this is not a political sabotage this election year just to keep Musk from achieving amazing goals.
It's worth remembering that Boeing don't have an independent launch capability of their own anymore. They're a stakeholder with Lockheed Martin in the Joint Venture that is ULA and they're a major supplier for SLS, but that's a NASA rocket and not governed by the FAA. Similarly, Starliner is not yet certified and also falls under the governance of NASA for now. Furthermore, Starliner's launch vehicle is ULA's Atlas V.
Actually they do. The Boeing case is exactly the change that has caused this. MCAS deception now means that when red flags are raised the FAA is not taking lip service and are forced to engage with the vendor in certification.
I disagree on the FAA needing to hire more people. The FAA needs to lose a third of its staff and maybe its budget. Adding more people only adds to the bloat. Reducing the number of staff will force the FAA to streamline its process and be able to properly do its job.
Oh yeah that would be awesome then Boeing can truly perpetrate aviation murder and we would never know because there was no regulator! Wall street loves no regulator aswell! Sure they might be bloated government is generally an embarrassment. Any other agencies and Id say grab the blowtorch, but the FAA ACTUALLY keep lots of people alive so no. Musk can wait and pick up his baby toys.
I believe losing people and budgets are just going to lead to more 737MAX debacles. The FAA trusted Boeing to be like old Boeing when they give them a lot of power to self regulate. I believe the FAA may need some streamlining, but firing staff and cutting budgets will only increase workload on the good employees trying to do their job.
Without being knowledgeable about the space side of the FAA, if it's like the aviation side they are actually short staffed. I knew a couple of FAA inspectors who were terribly overworked. They were stretched very thin, which caused them to be unresponsive to all the operators they were overseeing. In my own case, getting a commercial operator certificate approved, what should have taken a month took a full year, because the inspector didn't have the time to spend with us. We believe that part of their strategy was to eliminate "non serious" applicants by delaying them, thus eliminating work for themselves. In our case we knew this was going to happen, and had planned for it, but I'm sure it kills some operators before they can get the operating certificate.
Thanks, Ellie. It's interesting that Boeing airplanes are a demonstration of public safety problems but the FAA waves and accepts variances to regulation as a matter of course. Here, we're talking about one ship. One. And it's held up for months.
@@TheGunslingerRoland Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out... You're too old to be that petulant. Nobody cares about your subscription, especially if you can't respect other people's opinions. Grow up!
Well no. The FAA 's mandate is actually clear: protect civilians from flying errors. And they do it and its come without enormous number of lessons that Musk should heed. Whether they are politicised or not they do their job - civilians are alive because of it.
@@johns5558 The wheels of Government turn slowly. That and excessive unnecessary and un-elected (not legislated) rules are the main problems! _(And how does a "penalty"/fine help make a rocket safer _*_when nothing flew!)_*
The FAA’s handling of SpaceX exposes a deep-rooted issue with government bureaucracy, one that seems increasingly disconnected from innovation. SpaceX, a pioneer in reducing the cost and time of space travel, faces hurdles placed by an agency that appears more focused on protecting legacy players like Boeing, who have enjoyed far less scrutiny despite their significant mishaps. The fact that SpaceX can design and build rockets faster than the FAA can approve paperwork highlights an absurd imbalance. The solution isn't just to hire more employees. As many have pointed out, throwing more bodies at an inefficient system only creates more inefficiency. Instead, the FAA needs a complete overhaul-starting with accountability and streamlining processes. The agency seems politicized and stuck in the past, where bureaucratic red tape trumps innovation. Worse, this level of oversight might be influenced by commercial interests and political maneuvering, targeting Elon Musk for reasons unrelated to space exploration. Perhaps it's time to take space regulation out of the FAA’s hands entirely. A specialized space agency or even Space Force might be more suited for handling this new frontier, where quick, responsible decision-making is essential. Without changes, the U.S. risks stifling its own space industry while countries like China laugh from the sidelines. The FAA must stop acting as a bottleneck for progress, before we’re left behind in the race for the stars.
My father was an FAA Air carrier accident investigation agent while I was growing up. Believe me when I say that their regulatory problems are not new. The bureaucracy is larger and even more inefficient now than then and, without more Congressional oversight, will only get worse.
This is a huge problem and needs to be addressed now. Right now, only Elon is pushing fast enough to reveal this, but there are a dozen other private space launch firms thundering along behind SpaceX who will get tangled up in FAA's web of red tape too, if the bureaucracy isn't revamped.
And this feels similar to how tesla was not invited to the Ev summit. Space X isn't gov funded so the FAA is just looking for cash. Failed institutions deserve to fall. And I would be very interested in how Mr. M would revamp the gov. We don't need the DMV, that could all be digital.
Elon only thinks about himself not about public. Same little person as Trump. FAA should be left to do their job, and Elon should follow the low and rules, like all of us.
No, the FAA does NOT need to hire more employees to further bloat an already bloated bureacracy. The FAA needs to look at itself in the mirror and ask if it should even be involved in spaceflight at all. Or aviation for that matter. More money to reward failure is not the answer.
Now the rest of the world is seeing what us airplane owners and pilots have gone through for decades… The FAA has a big ego and loves to assert power over others as a bully would. It is the norm that they regularly chose flexing their power over safety. Don’t believe me??? Look up the broken STC system for general aviation. I fly an airplane with a 1967 computer controlled autopilot using a vacuum system because they have not approved the new technology on my exact aircraft. Garmin has been making them for years, oh but my model is just not approved yet and it will take years for it ever to be approved. People are being killed but they don’t care. And Boeing always gets a free pass because a lot of FAA guys used to work at Boeing and and have a lot of their retirement savings in Boeing stock. Watch what happens. The FAA will fuck up space x because they are saying something! The FAA always seems to win because they operate as an independent group that the average person can’t even understand the language they use. And the government gives them a pass because it’s afraid the airlines won’t be safe. Go to any small airport and ask them what they really think!
Fuck the FAA. They’ve done so much good for aviation but they are soooo ass-backwards on a lot of things, ie mental health, medications, etc. I’m on adhd meds and would love to try to get a full PPL but no, medication is anathema.
FAA got their feelings hurt and their GOD complex got it’s ego bruised! I guess if your name is Boing you can get away with murder, but if it isn’t then you have to abide by rules that are not rules and are overreach. Good job Ellie!!!
The biggest EGO in the room is Musk. He feels everyone should give in to his demands. The FAA has other work then to do what Musk attempts to tell them.
Ellie, thanks for the detailed update! You are so multi-talented!!! Yes, your TV news reporter experience really shined throughout all that reading! You blow away all those ridiculous AI voices that we hear all the time from other TH-cam contributors! I really like the way you put feeling, emotion and animation into the way you read your material! It goes a long way in keeping your audience attentive and interested! I see nothing but a bright future for you in this business!
I don't think so. The Biden admin would love to brag about making great progress on the Artemis Project, which they have backed these past four years instead of canceling it when Joe and Kamala took office. I think this either bureaucratic ineptitude or an FAA official on a power trip. Or both.
I’ve been an airplane mechanic for 30 years - an IA for 15 - I have some thoughts on the FAA. I do see the need for the FAA - I’ve been audited dozens of times and appreciate the feedback. The FAA is also the worst - quality has definitely slipped in the last 5 years
What I find weird is that he's the only person that can send people to the ISS in the western world. Also saves the US tax payers/government millions of dollars in launch costs. Oh and also operates communications for US military. I say fuck it and launch or just stop flying. Shit will hit the fan in weeks if he grounds everything.
Hope SpaceX wins the lawsuit too! Having worked with the FAA in my career, I saw firsthand the delays, the rhetoric, and the typical slow processes associated with getting any fruitful activities accomplished in an efficient manner or reasonable amount of time. Besides, fining SpaceX for using an "unapproved control room" (on earth btw) has little to do with air traffic, public endangerment, or any other aspect of the FAA's true responsibilities! imo, it is MORE than overreach; it's outrageous.
Elon is smart and on point with the FAA. SpaceX should continue to pressure the FAA and call them out. There is too much bureaucracy in the government as is. The government could learn a lot from private industry.
Ordinarily I would simply agree. Ive contracted for government agencies and they are an embarrassment, but the FAA in particular has kept civilians alive through sorry lack of safety again and again and again. Musk can wait. that 70m long booster has enormous kinetic energy if there are failures so triple redundaancy is a must when flying over populations. Its as simple as that. Boeing tried these shenanigans and we know how that turned out. This is strictly not different and diespite the mars rhetoric this is only about money as was Boeing.
@@johns5558 That's a dumb comparison. General aviation and spaceflight have nothing in common. None of this was over safety. Critical stages of space flight missions do not fly over populations, unless you are referring to fish. With clear, unequal treatment of one provider over other's, there is more to this than the FAA being thorough and righteous. The timing is troublesome.
actually people behind the FAA are doing the damage to spacex ..( case of protecting the jobs at Boing and ULA ) to hell with the human race getting to mars..getting more like the fall of the roman empire ..where corruption set in..
@@johns5558 My understanding is SpaceX launch the starship from the coast directly over the ocean, no population in its flight path apart from potential nautical activity which they already notify. Flight 5 will have a splashdown trajectory, redirecting right before touchdown, again not a risk to populations
The FAA is saying that if SpaceX does anything different from the last approval, any procedural change could require a delay for review by them. This can be a very capricious decision resulting in a fine. The FAA regulators could even go back into 2019 and look at the procedures to see if any changed from what was used and fine them. What is to stop them unless SpaceX takes them to court.
"It should not be possible to build a giant rocket faster than a piece of paper can go from one desk to the other" I remember another quote, this one from a movie.... "And now, enter the bureaucrats" Disgracefull!
its just ludicrous...congress has already said they are willing to nix the FAA from this process and start a division that just deals with space travel. They are tired of the BS they get from the FAA ending up on their desks
Why are they making it hard for space x ? Is it political ? Just wondering if they want China to get ahead in this new space race ? I don’t live in the USA but man I am jealous what an amazing opportunity for that country.
Garbage Mars rhetoric, FAA is doing their job and keeping people alive. Carry on. Musk is on the fringe but their mandate currently covers him so he has to suck it up.
Of course it's political... the FAA is part of the Department of Transportation, which is run by Pete Buttigieg, who was appointed by Biden. Both are dems, both ha te Trump, and both are actively wea pon izing go vern ment against him and anyone that supports him (yes, even the voters too).
Having worked directly for the FAA, the best description of the FAA is "dysfunctional" and "wasteful." Their Managers were obviously not up to the rigors of their jobs. No one likes to say "stupid", but......
This is not a conspiracy. I worked DIRECTLY with the FAA for military airspace requests. It took over 5 years to get a new military restricted area established. It's well known in the Aviation industry that the FAAs first answer is always no, and their second answer is extensive environmental testing.
Do they not realise that there are other countries who would happily host Space X. It wouldn't be the first time Elon has relocated one of his businesses!
You can't convince me this isn't political. The US government is spending billions on broadband for rural areas but has rejected Starlink, which has the speed and capacity. Same for the Canadian government. Elon doesn't dance to their tune.
But none of that money went to actually giving anyone internet.
@@farscape1714 Which only further proves that it was political.
Taxpayers paid $ 42,000,000,000.00 for what?
Government bureaucracy has not provided broadband to a single person.
They aren't spending billions... they said they would spend billions, but it seems that money just up and disappeared, and no one has any internet.
@@treelinehugger Theft!
An old Air Force maxim states: When the weight of the paperwork equals the weight of the aircraft, then the aircraft can fly.
Haha, love it!
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Given both the weight of Starship and the digital nature of modern paperwork...
SpaceX's fucked...
Then they should use tungsten sheets.
Fully Fueled?......
It’s not about who’s right, it’s about control. Some
Bureaucrat At FAA has to prove they are in control and not Space X or Elon Musk.
Bet they have a Harris Waltz sign in their front yard.
And they are going to learn that this isn't the case.
You guys want me to send them a box of cookies? 🍪💥
@johnrickard8512 yeah I'm sure they government will totally not be in control by the end of this. Totally.
@@DemoMan465 The government can't control anything If their consequences are completely toothless.
Does the FAA even realize that doing things like this turns them from an authority in the aerospace community into an enemy of the aerospace community, not to mention a laughing stock. After this info getting out, which it has irrevocably done, no backsies, everyone with a well earned engineering masters of one kind or another is going to be giving the FAA a stare-down of unprecedented proportions. A staredown they will not be able to ignore because quite a few of the stares will be coming from within the FAA. Imagine if every engineer at the FAA quit tomorrow in protest, where would their authority on safety come from them??? LOL they don't really understand who they are messing with when injecting politics into this.
They simply don't care about our opinions. This isn't just the FAA ,mind you but everything like entertainment and mainstream news . Everything is about left-wing globalism and anyone pushing back gets this treatment.
Any and all government agencies only want authority and they will do anything to maintain that. They don’t care about actually doing the job they were made to do.
Bureaucrats don’t need expertise, they just need authority. Plenty of bad decisions can continue to be made if all the smart people quit. You can see it happen in every business. I’m fighting that exact problem right now where I work.
Are they afraid SpaceX may make NASA look stupid, and the tax payers revolt and want a statement of how much taxpayers' money is being wasted
It also doesn’t help that the Flight standards branch of the FAA in west Texas (the San Antonio FSDO) is notorious in the aviation community for being a pain in the rear to deal with. I don’t know if it correlates with their issues but I’ve never had a good interaction with them.
SpaceX should announce they are moving Starbase 500m South into Mexico. Mexico has agreed to let SpaceX launch as needed to become the #1 spacefaring country instantly.
Yep. Let AFAC sign the paperwork. The FAA is trash.
That's a bad idea. Uncle sam would send the CIA instantly and imprison you for leaking classified military tech to a foreign entity.
If you think Space X is why the US is the #1 spacefaring country, then you're re***ded. The only thing space x does to further development is blowing up rockets and getting re***ds excited about failure.
The cartels can probably do a better job than the FAA.
Wouldn't be allowed. Would run afoul of a couple NSA regs and Laws. In particular the trafficking of restricted technologies.
As a former 36 year DOD employee (active duty Air Force & Air Force Civil Service) hiring more employee's is not the solution. There is zero accountability, so just think of the DMV on steroids. Government waste is the problem.
DOGE to the rescue? 😅😂
@@malcolmrickarby2313 Hopefully soon.
I used to hear pilots and aircraft owners express real hatred towards the FAA and I thought it was a bit much. Then I bought a plane, a glider. I needed to make a change to my registration - the FAA screwed with me for over a year finding "typos" and issues with the wording on a single page form. What is important about it being a single page? There's no excuse for not finding any and all issues at one time. Not "fix this" I fix it, "fix that" and on and on. I knew I was in wonderland when the most recent examiner told me to undo the original word change that was asked for in the first place. There is no accountability.
There is no reason to think these FAA issues have any credibility in view of the fact that Biden has had it out for Musk for his whole term.
Agreed! Its not the number of people, it's how the department and procedures operate
Well, they NEED all that waste, to cover up all the embezzlement.
FAA is ridiculous. It took them 7 months for them to tell me they needed more information than the more information I already submitted before they'd issue my medical.
All Executive branch agencies need to be severely restricted. They are ALL out of control.
government : we want our taxes now, SAME GOVERNMENT during tax season: HURRY UP AND WAIT
🤔 it's interesting that the FAA has enough people to find supposed offenses by SpaceX but not enough people to approve the launch licenses
Maybe learn a bit about how government agencies actually work , than parade your ignorance.
@@Seafox0011
Your name calling is telling about the size of your parade. Beside, I think Matt has a good point. Sometimes the easiest thing a government agency can do is to say “No”.
Having worked directly with an FAA field certification office personnel I can attest to this. When presenting them with new technology that no one has ever used in an aircraft, they show confusion and negativity. I have agents tell me “this is never going to work” because they were way over their depth. They could not find a way to stop it but they did delay us. Now, every aircraft in the world has this technology in it.
How do government agencies work? One of their primary goals is to grow the size of their agency. They need a larger budget next year and creating government overreach is a great way to sell the need for a larger government budgets, more staff and more managers, directors and secretaries.
Oh. And this is my real name FYI. ‘sea fox’
the offenses were reported TO the FAA not by the FAA. Do you read?
@@bowtoy By who…
And how come zero people are reporting similar “offenses” by ULA, who simply dump their craft in the ocean on every launch…
@@bearlemleyyou edited your comment because you were called out as a furry, you bear 🐻 😂 nice try though
Costa Rica probably wouldn't mind a space program. It's proximity to the equator would be a benefit for space launches.
Can you elaborate on wym by that? It’s proximity helping
@@therealjohnwick4010 Because launching things parallel to a planet makes for very organized launches, and makes the numbers easier to work with/approximate.
@@therealjohnwick4010Launching along the angular momentum of a planet for the purpose of orbiting uses a lot less energy, as the craft is able to use some of that momentum to properly itself. Conversely, if you were to launch in the other direction, against the spin of the planet, you'd use a lot more resources as you'd be fighting against that angular momentum.
Bunch of these agencies in the Federal side needs to be shut down FAA, EPA, FMCSA, Dept. of Energy, Depot of Ag, FBI, CIA, DOJ. Just let the states take control to what the American citizens want.
And also especially the ATF
Do the FAA realise that without SpaceX the toilets on the international space station come February are going to stink more than their bureaucracy.
When out at see one can just throw their refuge overboard so the fish and bacteria can ingest most of it. But where does all the human waste go in space? The legacy that humans leave behind will be their garbage, not their monuments.
No.
And they don't care either.
Pretty easy. Space X can just stop bidding on Government contracts. "Dealing with the government has become very difficult for us, so we have decided for the time being, to stick with commercial launches and to not bid for government contracts. Please feel free to use our nonexistent competitors".
See how long it takes them (especially the military industrial complex) to straighten out the FAA.
"In the light of recent discoveries, we decided to conduct a thorough internal investigation, and stop flying until it's done. So unfortunately we can't bring back your astronauts from the ISS. You still have the Boeing capsule, right?"
No. It is absolutely fine to question the government in the courts. It's the normal checks and balances of a democracy!!
YES
Spacex would not exist without government contracts. Tesla would not exist without government contracts subsidies starlink would have not been possible without government handouts. The boring company same. Elon would be nothing without the government. Right where he belongs.
move to Mexico as China did to avoid bean counters.
Wouldn't it be ironic if Elon Musk was put in charge of cleaning up the government waste in Washington? Cleaning up the FAA alone would be a full time job for years.
The executive branch of government in the US has gone rogue
The Constitution is on Elon's side. The FAA may not make laws, that's Congress's job. The FAA has no power to levy fines either. The FAA is only allowed to advise Congress. If states want to make laws they must still follow the Constitution.
Boeing is trying to take down space X through lobbying and money laundering
I follow the topic a bit: I don't remember a single time in the last few years that FAA has fined or delayed or denied a launch for Boeing.
Given their brilliant results lately it seems strange to me that they are so "perfect" compared to SpaceX.
Interesting observation
Dont be deceived thats its not reported. This isnt strictly different tghat normal line of business for the FAA. They make serial infractions against orgnisations as a matter of course.
It's worth remembering that Boeing don't have an independent launch capability of their own anymore. They're a stakeholder with Lockheed Martin in the Joint Venture that is ULA and they're a major supplier for SLS, but that's a NASA rocket and not governed by the FAA. Similarly, Starliner is not yet certified and also falls under the governance of NASA for now. Furthermore, Starliner's launch vehicle is ULA's Atlas V.
@@ellieinspace Elle......maybe I'm wrong..........or maybe they are just exceptionally better at paper-pushing......... especially requests for operational changes and/or launch permissions or even a bunch of small pieces of colored paper with the effigy of a president in the center.
@@carlettoburacco9235 *In case you haven't heard, two of their whistle blowers have been murder for exposing Boeing vast major corner cutting and the hiring of cheap unqualified technical engineers. That explained why Boeing planes have been falling out of the sky or its doors are blowing off while flying thousands of feet in the air, etc...*
FAA: Approves Boeing sending a deathtrap to the ISS and approves planes that have fake titanium holding them together, while Boeing soaks up hundreds of millions of dollars in gov contracts
Also FAA: Makes it as difficult as possible for SpaceX to fly when they have the best track record for literally a tenth of the cost
SpaceX has had billions in government contracts - even Musk admits that SpaceX would have gone bust without them. It is now a year or so behind schedule for its SpaceX mission to the moon and has not demonstrated a number of key things for Starship: launching a pay-load into orbit, refuelling, reaching the moon, landing on the moon and getting back. These delays are not caused by the FAA - they are caused by the technology not being ready.
And if you don't want your flights to be limited by environmental concerns my suggestion would be: don't build your launch site in the middle of a conservation area.
(And, no, NASA didn't do that: they built their launch site and then created a conservation area around it - in the areas unaffected by the launches.)
Lol it's all a psyop. Elon is one of them. Dude spoke at the WEF. Space travel is fake. There's a firmament. Operation fish bowl proved it. Its wild how easy it is to manipulate fools that believe government lies
Thugs, Harras and biden, hate musk.
@@philrichards7240 look up the breakdown of how much the Boeing Starliner has cost taxpayers. SpaceX Dragon has cost literally a tenth and works, FAA is the only roadblock
@@philrichards7240Well...
- FAA literally stated that these delays are caused by environmental concerns
-The amount of government contracts SpaceX gets is still less compared to Boeing and they've already outperformed Boeing with the Crew Dragon spacecraft even though they got less money from NASA for that contract.
*That comparison was not for fun, it was making the ver specific point that Boeing has recently risked human lives with their spacecraft while SpaceX has met the safety requirements then the delays/fines were due to some environmental concerns not public safety.
-It is not just SpaceX who had delays in the Artemis program, they have gotten the hardest part of the contract to be completed within half a decade while NASA had development time of over a decade for SLS + Orion and they have still faced 2 years of delays.
-Lastly, there were no other place to test a rocket like this, you must not have looked into why they decided this place to launch rockets in the first place.
If the FAA was in charge when Nicholas Tesla was around, we'd all still be using DC
One primary reason airline travel is more safe today than at any prior time is because of the FAA........it's not our institutions that are the problem. It's our own ignorance.
They should be jolted on DC powered Chairs.
Nikola
The FAA is the main reason airline travel is safer now than at any prior time in history. Our institutions are not our greatest problem. That award goes to the many unoccupied craniums we must endure.
The FAA has nothing to do with electrical regulation, so probably not 😂
FAA must be cancelled. They are not only not adding any value anymore but actually handicapping progress.
Thanks, Ellie. The more that attention is brought to this strange regulatory situation, the more likely it is that sorely needed corrections will be made. Unfortunately, it's most often the case that persons in bureaucracies feel compelled to exercise whatever modicum of authority they possess while receiving very little pressure or motivation to act quickly.
SpaceX is the perfect example of how bad our governmental bureaucracy has become…
you can argue that the train crash spilling harmful chemicals into a small town, poisonous water is flint, Americas crumbling infrastructure and unhealthy chemicals in food probably tell you there is not enough governmental bureaucracy. Given elon makes death trap cars and launches the most powerful rocket ever with no flame pit blasting concrete and rocks for miles, probably means he should be looked at closely.
I prefer the conspiratorial theory...
"Officious Twits Gone Wild!"
the Marxist agenda (total centralized administrative control of society) only cares about your rocket company to the degree that you help or oppose their agenda. this is why Boeing gets a free pass but SpaceX is under fire. Elon actively opposes their desire for control of speech, hence this lawfare
BECOME??? You mean how it always was! All governments are dysfunctional until a boot is shoved up the rear end. And then, they become partially dysfunctional until the boot is removed. Then they revert back.
Sure, the FAA needs to hire more employees. Right after firing the ones involved in this travesty.
No.. Congress needs to do a full review of the FAA and either scrap the FAA and fire all the employees as it currently is or reign back the FAA authority as it is up the ass's of all companies that fly or launch.
While the FAA is slow, as all government agencies are, don't let these TH-camrs lie to you.
The fact is, Musk waited to send in his paperwork. He could have sent it in months ago, but he intentionally waited.
The fault is his. If he hadn't waited, there would have been plenty of time for the FAA to do their thing, AND SpaceX could have launched on time.
@@RobertPruitt-y7m Musk waited contingent up on several moving parts being finalized before submitting notification. Private industry is rapidly moving, federal BS is always constipated. Time to clean FAA's house and get things running in a timely manner, maybe you can help.
@@carlwest859
But THAT still makes it intentional, AND it still makes it his fault.
And the concerns of the FAA are valid, especially the environmental part.
Putting a rocket launch facility in an area with several endangered species, which is exactly what Musk did, is a little less than intelligent.
No company should be allowed to harm endangered species so directly. And that's exactly what Musk wants to do.
I'm thinking there was interference from the powers above. The democrats are in a rampage against everything that Elon Musk does. Biden started it but that doesn't matter anymore because the dotttering old fart is on the way out. I was always on the side of the Democrats mostly because of JFK. Now they've exposed themselves as extreme left-wing zealots. The scams and fraud that seems to be surfacing is like shocking. Unbelievable I can't believe this.
The SpaceX open letter to Congress is a more constructive way to try and effect much needed change and modernisation of FAA regulations. A lawsuit will only slow things down for all concerned and the only winners will be the lawyers.
Sensible and not full of stupid Mars rhetoric and space race BS.
No it's a wine. Ofc everybody needs to follow the regulations. Period.
@@SirSparrisahh no. Regs are usually not seniable outdated and don’t do the job they intend.
@@SirSparris You really didn’t pay attention to the video did you?
@@Nilon2012 pay attention to the regulation. This is a pump channel for SpaceX.
Why is NASA and FAA slow-rolling SpaceX? is it because their fav legacy contractor Boeing is disappearing further behind in the rearview mirror? Made even worse since Boeing was granted twice the budget as SpaceX and humiliating both NASA and FAA.
The FAA is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, make it difficult to compete with the other companies.
So odd. This kinda points out the FAA are full of Boeing ex employees running the show. (And possibly silent stockholders).
No, Boeing and Raytheon just spend a lot of money on lobbying like every corporation.
might as well just say it how it is, it's the juice.
Years ago I PROUDLY got my Private Pilot License. There was A LOT of training, testing and paperwork. It was a great accomplishment for me, and I worked hand-in-hand with the FAA to get it. I was glad to meet all their requirements proving I could safely handle an airplane. Sadly, I no longer have any faith in the FAA. They have become a nightmare, a political hand of degenerate politicians. They should all be fired ..... and I hope we elect a new President that will do exactly that.
Have you seen how many endorsements the FAA requires just to take a private pilot checkride these days?
@@berrywdYea, not even worth trying these days. Got way too much other shit on my plate already.
You can see how bad they failed looking into the Boing plane issues.
SpaceX told FAA to "put up your dukes" as FAA has been sleeping around with Boeing, NASA and Southwest Airlines 🤣🤣
Meanwhile, the FAA allows the dumpsterfire that is Boeing, to continue flying. *FFS!*
While a $600,000 fine may not significantly impact SpaceX, Elon Musk understands that this issue extends beyond his company. Other organizations eager to advance space exploration may struggle to withstand this kind of financial pressure from the FAA. Making the FAA an enemy to our future and the resources available in space.
The FAA has also been politicised.
Yeah maybe but its the FAA that kept civilian flying in some reasonable state that civilians are protected. Hard won win, I would fight to protect that win so Musk can wait. This is just simply not different and that Booster is a high speed 70 m 200 ton bullet if it fails and flight 3 booster DID fail.
@@johns5558 737 Max
The FAA is a self serving bureaucracy …It has become the Boeing of the government 😳😣🤯
@@johns5558
That's stupid.
1. Starship operation means no risk to planes, those are kept very far away. And there's range safety and other stuff to make sure rockets don't go where they aren't supposed to.
2. Rockets do fail, not just for SpaceX.
3. How does the location of a control center or a propellant tank threaten planes?
4. Why does the FAA care about where the booster lands, as long as it's far away from civilians? The only danger is to SpaceX's own property.
5. Boosters landed before, and even exploded on the same location. What changed since then?
6. The plan for catching the booster is years old. If the FAA had concerns with that, why did they wait until the last second to voice them?
7. Delaying Starship is a civilization level risk. We don't know how much time we have to get that Mars colony going, but it's definitely finite. After all the sh*t that happened in the last few years do I really have to explain this?
Starship really should get the same support as the Apollo program. Do you think they'd have delayed the Apollo 11 launch for some turtles or to push a few more papers around?
@@johns5558 That's entirely BS. General aviation and spaceflight are not even remotely in the same category. You either didn't watch the video/ read the documents or are too clouded by your hatred for Musk.. Regulations are not being applied the same across different companies. None of this has to do with safety. Spacex is at the forefront in the US space program. It's our only proven way to get humans to space right now next to relying on Russia. Political bias shouldn't stifle progress. That hurts the entire country. Just because you don't like musk, don't let your bias control you... open your mind a bit.
I'm not a big friend of Elon Musk, but without SpaceX there were only Sojouz available. FAA should stop bullying SpaceX and concentrate more on Boeing!!!!
No, they should stop doing everything and instead concentrate on the projected needs.
See, today we have only SpaceX and Boing, but tomorrow there will be several more space companies, that is the urgency.
If they cannot cope with SpaceX pace, imagine the chaos when they will have much more to cover.
Hiring more staff, streamline response time from days to minutes, proactive look up and becoming a strategic forward-thinking organization.
@@62smarty I'm not a big friend of Elon either, but I wish I was!
Without SpaceX, Sierra Space would have received the 2nd contract and maybe dream chaser would be flying by now.
the FAA doesnt need more emplyees.. It needs the RIGHT employees
Thats the answer to the government, the government doesnt need more employees OR money, they need the right employees (politicians) in order to fix the US.
@@robertedwards7749 Yes.. they have to many already...
No DEI. That has screwed up the Quality of employees at all government agencies and big Corporations like Boeing.
If they cannot cope with SpaceX pace today, imagine the chaos when they will have much more companies and space related' to cover.
Hiring more staff, streamline response time from days to minutes, proactive look up and becoming a strategic forward-thinking organization.
The FFA needs more people to stand next to a water cooler and complain about their families
0:51 everyone in aviation is moving faster than the FAA😂 A&P mechanic here
Imagine that. Less regulation promotes innovation and progress. One of the many crucial principles for a nation that strives to be a republic.
DEI at the FAA is rampant.
Competence is not a requirement.
I doubt it's an issue of incompetence. Otherwise, why were they miraculously competent, or 'ok' at least, before Elon endorsed Trump? This whole thing reeks of political retribution imo.
@@okirooju3787 you make a good point but still difficult to leave out the designed in incompetence.
The motto of the FAAhas always been, "we're not happy, until you're not happy. "
@@okirooju3787 Competence crisis is a big thing everywhere, now thanks to deiism and imported third-world tribalism & nepotism, it's rampant all over the West. How many ships has been sunk by DEI crews, how many companies has gone bankrupt, how many big ip's destroyed by them? You can not miss this, unless you are deliberately for that shit. This is what we can measure and see. There is a reason why politics is now total shitshow and no problem ever really gets solved.
Maybe it would be a good idea to take space away from the FAA.
Right on Scott. It's a national strategic priority and who can interfere with it should be strictly limited.
If Space X withdrew from space, where would the US space program be. In practical terms there IS NO ONE ELSE. except China, India, PRNK and Japan (and europe too but that's pretty much the US 😂)
SFAA
Its not at all a bad thought. The FAA HAS a mandate for aviation and Musk and SpaceX fall within that right now so they ahve to suck it up.
Dont break the FAA who have fought SO LONG and hard to keep civilians alive in aerospace over more than 70 years. baby and the bathwater. Some people are so crazy and shortsighted and Musk is among them here.
Yep, maybe trump will turn over launch authority to space force if he wins the election.
GET IT OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE FAA; It's political and bureaucratic B S
And now you wonder why RocketLabs is based in New Zealand. The FAA sounds like the most painful experience seemingly designed to slow down all progress and prevent any future companies from trying.
It just shows that we are no longer in a free country
Thank you Ellie, you are doing a fine job at keeping us informed. I hope and pray this is not a political sabotage this election year just to keep Musk from achieving amazing goals.
The FAA is on a power trip. Glad Elon is challenging them.
Boeing doesn't get this type of scrutiny or fines.
And boeing actually kills people!
AND they are a protected entity.
It's worth remembering that Boeing don't have an independent launch capability of their own anymore. They're a stakeholder with Lockheed Martin in the Joint Venture that is ULA and they're a major supplier for SLS, but that's a NASA rocket and not governed by the FAA. Similarly, Starliner is not yet certified and also falls under the governance of NASA for now. Furthermore, Starliner's launch vehicle is ULA's Atlas V.
Actually they do. The Boeing case is exactly the change that has caused this. MCAS deception now means that when red flags are raised the FAA is not taking lip service and are forced to engage with the vendor in certification.
@@ross077 oooh, good details to know. Very helpful.
I disagree on the FAA needing to hire more people. The FAA needs to lose a third of its staff and maybe its budget. Adding more people only adds to the bloat. Reducing the number of staff will force the FAA to streamline its process and be able to properly do its job.
Yes.
Oh yeah that would be awesome then Boeing can truly perpetrate aviation murder and we would never know because there was no regulator! Wall street loves no regulator aswell!
Sure they might be bloated government is generally an embarrassment. Any other agencies and Id say grab the blowtorch, but the FAA ACTUALLY keep lots of people alive so no. Musk can wait and pick up his baby toys.
I believe losing people and budgets are just going to lead to more 737MAX debacles. The FAA trusted Boeing to be like old Boeing when they give them a lot of power to self regulate. I believe the FAA may need some streamlining, but firing staff and cutting budgets will only increase workload on the good employees trying to do their job.
You're right. *ONE* competent person could probably have kept up with Space X requests, but I guess the FAA doesn't employ any competent people.
Without being knowledgeable about the space side of the FAA, if it's like the aviation side they are actually short staffed. I knew a couple of FAA inspectors who were terribly overworked. They were stretched very thin, which caused them to be unresponsive to all the operators they were overseeing. In my own case, getting a commercial operator certificate approved, what should have taken a month took a full year, because the inspector didn't have the time to spend with us. We believe that part of their strategy was to eliminate "non serious" applicants by delaying them, thus eliminating work for themselves. In our case we knew this was going to happen, and had planned for it, but I'm sure it kills some operators before they can get the operating certificate.
If the U.S. will not support Your endeavors 100% move.....❤
Thanks, Ellie. It's interesting that Boeing airplanes are a demonstration of public safety problems but the FAA waves and accepts variances to regulation as a matter of course. Here, we're talking about one ship. One. And it's held up for months.
A fair bit of that sounds like 'We know you're in violation. We don't know how - yet, but we'll find something - count on that. License denied.'
That's exactly what it sounds like.
Ah the Lavrentiy Beria method of investigation, Classic.
Donald Trump knows what that's like.
Exactly the kind of news we need to maintain context. Thanks Ellie. Keep it up.
Fight, fight, fight! Not a single cent should be surrendered to these paper pushers.
Her hearting your comment lost her a subscriber.
@@TheGunslingerRoland
They won't be missed.
@@TheGunslingerRoland Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out... You're too old to be that petulant. Nobody cares about your subscription, especially if you can't respect other people's opinions. Grow up!
@@xylicable The context has been lost...
@@TheGunslingerRolandis the definition of snowflake. You won’t watch anyone’s content that doesn’t pander to your politics? That’s insane, and weak.
Really we should be pushing these guys to push as hard as they can and push the boundaries of space exploration!
The FAA & most gov needs to get their sh*t together !
Most gov agencies can probably be eliminated entirely and no one would notice
Well no. The FAA 's mandate is actually clear: protect civilians from flying errors. And they do it and its come without enormous number of lessons that Musk should heed. Whether they are politicised or not they do their job - civilians are alive because of it.
@@johns5558Tell that to the 351 civilians dead in Boeing MAX crashes because the FAA intentionally fast tracked it's testing and development.
@@johns5558 The wheels of Government turn slowly. That and excessive unnecessary and un-elected (not legislated) rules are the main problems! _(And how does a "penalty"/fine help make a rocket safer _*_when nothing flew!)_*
@@slartybarfastb3648 Presumably there was corruption involved and another 3 letter government body (FBI) should be dealing with it.
Sue their arse off Elon. Teach them a lesson. No flights to the ISS until they stop this vendetta against SpaceX.
FAA = HOA!
So extortion
(F)riken (A)ssoctiation of (A)rsehole
Amazing similarities…!
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Hahaha
I was thinking this for a while, glad someone said it
The FAA’s handling of SpaceX exposes a deep-rooted issue with government bureaucracy, one that seems increasingly disconnected from innovation. SpaceX, a pioneer in reducing the cost and time of space travel, faces hurdles placed by an agency that appears more focused on protecting legacy players like Boeing, who have enjoyed far less scrutiny despite their significant mishaps. The fact that SpaceX can design and build rockets faster than the FAA can approve paperwork highlights an absurd imbalance.
The solution isn't just to hire more employees. As many have pointed out, throwing more bodies at an inefficient system only creates more inefficiency. Instead, the FAA needs a complete overhaul-starting with accountability and streamlining processes. The agency seems politicized and stuck in the past, where bureaucratic red tape trumps innovation. Worse, this level of oversight might be influenced by commercial interests and political maneuvering, targeting Elon Musk for reasons unrelated to space exploration.
Perhaps it's time to take space regulation out of the FAA’s hands entirely. A specialized space agency or even Space Force might be more suited for handling this new frontier, where quick, responsible decision-making is essential. Without changes, the U.S. risks stifling its own space industry while countries like China laugh from the sidelines.
The FAA must stop acting as a bottleneck for progress, before we’re left behind in the race for the stars.
Thank you for digging deep and going into the actual details of what is going on behind the headlines.I knew this was all ridiculous.
My father was an FAA Air carrier accident investigation agent while I was growing up. Believe me when I say that their regulatory problems are not new. The bureaucracy is larger and even more inefficient now than then and, without more Congressional oversight, will only get worse.
This is a huge problem and needs to be addressed now. Right now, only Elon is pushing fast enough to reveal this, but there are a dozen other private space launch firms thundering along behind SpaceX who will get tangled up in FAA's web of red tape too, if the bureaucracy isn't revamped.
Doesn't the NTSB do the heavy lifting in investigations?
suing them will allow discovery.. if there is shenanigans' the folks involved might get scared
YES. This is the best reason to sue a federal bureaucracy: to find out what's really going on.
@@Wordsmiths Except that information has a tendency to disappear during discovery.
Double edged sword
That's the trick....
SpaceX should start paying any fines in unwrapped pennies.
🤣🤣🤣 How many Semi's would that take, I'd buy tickets to see that 😂
They will probably send them $669,000.
The FAA should focus on Boeing & DEI influenced disasters in Seattle.
I love antiquated institutions desperately trying to maintain control.
And this feels similar to how tesla was not invited to the Ev summit. Space X isn't gov funded so the FAA is just looking for cash. Failed institutions deserve to fall. And I would be very interested in how Mr. M would revamp the gov. We don't need the DMV, that could all be digital.
This not about starship, its about Elon supporting Trump. The FAA is punishing him because of his support.
SPOT ON!!
Well Trump is truly a threat to democracy thats hardly a joke its a reality
Elon only thinks about himself not about public. Same little person as Trump. FAA should be left to do their job, and Elon should follow the low and rules, like all of us.
@@hradynarski Well you can't get much lower than the FAA.
@@hradynarski Following the rules of a bureaucracy leaves you walking in a circle. Leave that for the NPCs.
Could you imagine if these FAA regulations were in place before the Wright brothers ever flew?
The Wright flyer would just about be approved for its first test.
No, the FAA does NOT need to hire more employees to further bloat an already bloated bureacracy.
The FAA needs to look at itself in the mirror and ask if it should even be involved in spaceflight at all. Or aviation for that matter.
More money to reward failure is not the answer.
Now the rest of the world is seeing what us airplane owners and pilots have gone through for decades…
The FAA has a big ego and loves to assert power over others as a bully would. It is the norm that they regularly chose flexing their power over safety. Don’t believe me??? Look up the broken STC system for general aviation. I fly an airplane with a 1967 computer controlled autopilot using a vacuum system because they have not approved the new technology on my exact aircraft. Garmin has been making them for years, oh but my model is just not approved yet and it will take years for it ever to be approved. People are being killed but they don’t care. And Boeing always gets a free pass because a lot of FAA guys used to work at Boeing and and have a lot of their retirement savings in Boeing stock. Watch what happens. The FAA will fuck up space x because they are saying something! The FAA always seems to win because they operate as an independent group that the average person can’t even understand the language they use. And the government gives them a pass because it’s afraid the airlines won’t be safe. Go to any small airport and ask them what they really think!
Fuck the FAA. They’ve done so much good for aviation but they are soooo ass-backwards on a lot of things, ie mental health, medications, etc. I’m on adhd meds and would love to try to get a full PPL but no, medication is anathema.
Meanwhile Boeing sending a bunch of junk that can't even safely land. Your tax dollars at work..
FAA got their feelings hurt and their GOD complex got it’s ego bruised! I guess if your name is Boing you can get away with murder, but if it isn’t then you have to abide by rules that are not rules and are overreach. Good job Ellie!!!
The biggest EGO in the room is Musk. He feels everyone should give in to his demands. The FAA has other work then to do what Musk attempts to tell them.
Ellie, thanks for the detailed update! You are so multi-talented!!! Yes, your TV news reporter experience really shined throughout all that reading! You blow away all those ridiculous AI voices that we hear all the time from other TH-cam contributors! I really like the way you put feeling, emotion and animation into the way you read your material! It goes a long way in keeping your audience attentive and interested! I see nothing but a bright future for you in this business!
I have a sense that both political and commercial opposing interests are at work in this matter.
This. It seems half this is political & half because other companies fear they can't compete
@@Sivartiusyes, the candle is burning from both ends.
They better pick their fights better.
The FAA and NASA may find themselves with zero ways to launch and/or retreave stranded astronauts .
Good to know the FAA is basically asleep at the wheel. I guess its time to buy some drones 😂
Once you involve government there's no limit to what you can't do.
That’s the statement for me to memorize. Well said.
The trick is in who involves them...
defund the FAA and EPA
Naw just the police and the military 🙄
This is lawfare by the sitting administration
I don't think so. The Biden admin would love to brag about making great progress on the Artemis Project, which they have backed these past four years instead of canceling it when Joe and Kamala took office. I think this either bureaucratic ineptitude or an FAA official on a power trip.
Or both.
I’ve been an airplane mechanic for 30 years - an IA for 15 - I have some thoughts on the FAA.
I do see the need for the FAA - I’ve been audited dozens of times and appreciate the feedback.
The FAA is also the worst - quality has definitely slipped in the last 5 years
Elon has the entire establishment stacked up against him.
Sure proof that he is on the right side of histpry.
Ya mean how nasa funding saved and funded spacex almost fully a few years ago. Read a little on the topic maybe
@@slartybarfastb3648 How do you feel about that second most popular Austrian man? A lot of democracies put a stop to his antics.
@@UserDefaultEurope Tell me this, who exactly are you comparing to Hitler?
Second, why are you insinuating I somehow approve of Hitler?
What I find weird is that he's the only person that can send people to the ISS in the western world. Also saves the US tax payers/government millions of dollars in launch costs. Oh and also operates communications for US military. I say fuck it and launch or just stop flying. Shit will hit the fan in weeks if he grounds everything.
Hope SpaceX wins the lawsuit too! Having worked with the FAA in my career, I saw firsthand the delays, the rhetoric, and the typical slow processes associated with getting any fruitful activities accomplished in an efficient manner or reasonable amount of time. Besides, fining SpaceX for using an "unapproved control room" (on earth btw) has little to do with air traffic, public endangerment, or any other aspect of the FAA's true responsibilities! imo, it is MORE than overreach; it's outrageous.
Elon is smart and on point with the FAA. SpaceX should continue to pressure the FAA and call them out. There is too much bureaucracy in the government as is. The government could learn a lot from private industry.
Ordinarily I would simply agree. Ive contracted for government agencies and they are an embarrassment, but the FAA in particular has kept civilians alive through sorry lack of safety again and again and again.
Musk can wait. that 70m long booster has enormous kinetic energy if there are failures so triple redundaancy is a must when flying over populations. Its as simple as that.
Boeing tried these shenanigans and we know how that turned out. This is strictly not different and diespite the mars rhetoric this is only about money as was Boeing.
@@johns5558 That's a dumb comparison. General aviation and spaceflight have nothing in common. None of this was over safety. Critical stages of space flight missions do not fly over populations, unless you are referring to fish. With clear, unequal treatment of one provider over other's, there is more to this than the FAA being thorough and righteous. The timing is troublesome.
Disband the whole organisation and start a new one with limited scope and zero base budgeting.
actually people behind the FAA are doing the damage to spacex ..( case of protecting the jobs at Boing and ULA ) to hell with the human race getting to mars..getting more like the fall of the roman empire ..where corruption set in..
@@johns5558 My understanding is SpaceX launch the starship from the coast directly over the ocean, no population in its flight path apart from potential nautical activity which they already notify. Flight 5 will have a splashdown trajectory, redirecting right before touchdown, again not a risk to populations
FAA need to be Fired 🧐
This could make him move space x to a different country. FAA cant touch them then
China is laughing! 😂
Yeah, I think China's poor safety regulations are working in their favor as they play catch-up.
Ugh! the smell of Bezos scat is strong...
The FAA can't be sued for incompetence as they would have to plead no contest.
“National security” excuses cut both ways. I don’t trust anyone using it
Its all about control. The dems are very much after control
Hops Elon gets a chance to fire 80% of the FAA
IT IS POLITICS!!!!!!!!!
The FAA is saying that if SpaceX does anything different from the last approval, any procedural change could require a delay for review by them. This can be a very capricious decision resulting in a fine. The FAA regulators could even go back into 2019 and look at the procedures to see if any changed from what was used and fine them. What is to stop them unless SpaceX takes them to court.
They missed the fact that someone changed their socks! Gotta do a new form!😛
Defund the FAA or get new bosses
That's what November is for.
did Elon not grease the palm of some BUREAUCRAT?
I hope those astronauts have plenty of supplies.
"It should not be possible to build a giant rocket faster than a piece of paper can go from one desk to the other"
I remember another quote, this one from a movie.... "And now, enter the bureaucrats"
Disgracefull!
its just ludicrous...congress has already said they are willing to nix the FAA from this process and start a division that just deals with space travel. They are tired of the BS they get from the FAA ending up on their desks
Why are they making it hard for space x ? Is it political ? Just wondering if they want China to get ahead in this new space race ? I don’t live in the USA but man I am jealous what an amazing opportunity for that country.
Garbage Mars rhetoric, FAA is doing their job and keeping people alive. Carry on. Musk is on the fringe but their mandate currently covers him so he has to suck it up.
They would give China the keys to the building if it would cripple SpaceX. They don't like Elon because he's not one of the good 'ol boys.
Too many higher-ups have money to lose when the starship successfully met all criteria.
Of course it's political... the FAA is part of the Department of Transportation, which is run by Pete Buttigieg, who was appointed by Biden.
Both are dems, both ha te Trump, and both are actively wea pon izing go vern ment against him and anyone that supports him (yes, even the voters too).
A csse of FAA slowing space exploration progress. 😂😂😂
Half the people working for the FAA don't even belong there.....
Sounds like the FAA is slow-walking matters related to SpaceX
O well ,?!! .. Now FAA people are Experts in rocket development.
Smell A Rat... Its obvious their goal it's slow down
X formidable success..
Having worked directly for the FAA, the best description of the FAA is "dysfunctional" and "wasteful." Their Managers were obviously not up to the rigors of their jobs. No one likes to say "stupid", but......
This is not a conspiracy. I worked DIRECTLY with the FAA for military airspace requests. It took over 5 years to get a new military restricted area established. It's well known in the Aviation industry that the FAAs first answer is always no, and their second answer is extensive environmental testing.
Do they not realise that there are other countries who would happily host Space X. It wouldn't be the first time Elon has relocated one of his businesses!
The FAA has a mailing list so many of us got the same letter.
Elon should pay the fine, then raise the launch price by $700,000.00.
But only on future launches for the government. And offer to discontinue the surcharge once everyone involved is fired.
😂