I Bought a £900 Mercedes S Class on Ebay - is it a Total Heap? (£1000 Luxobarge S1:EP1)
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- The first video in the £1000 Luxobarge series. One late night trawling ebay and i saw this 2002 S500 Mercedes on auction. It has almost 12 months of MOT and I thought if i could get it for under £1000 I would. I now need to assess how bad it is.. various warning lights are present and some rust... and need to decide what to do with it!
Re the glove box try a couple of small neodymium magnets in the middle. That way you can the press the release button and pull the glovebox open using the recess. These things are strong so literally only use 1 on each surface.
The headlights and the rear arch are easy and will make the world of difference - DO IT!!!!!
This channel is the best of JayEmm, Harrys Garage and Hoovie
I even had a hand in the making of this one...
Thank you chap!!!
Are Harry & Hoovie about to enter the chat?😂
Mate it's so much better than those channels. Harries is Good. Hoovie is a weirdo, Jayemm need to loose the belly.
@@TheTimeDetective42 you should've really kept that to yourself. You may, or may not, have feelings but these are real people. It amazes me that two people liked your comment. People are indeed strange Jim. Some, very strange.
This all looks very familiar. I had an 02 CLK that displayed all of the warning lights you are seeing. I purchased a clone MB tool and reset the steering position sensor, bought a new servo (possible sensor problem) and other stuff to painful to list. In the end I removed the battery and battery holder - the wiring loom had been rubbed away and exposed some wires. It was a simple fix after that.Very poor build quality on this age of MB. Good luck
You'll probably find there's a loose connection on one of the front cables which throws a sensor and then the ABS/ESP/BAS lights all come on. My CL does that after a battery is flat or when it's had some suspension work... Drive this car for a while - it'll get under your skin 😉
Haven't read all the comments, but try disconecting the Battery and going through the set up thats on the web to set everything
Great car for £900, perfect for a tinkerer like you Jack but i personally wouldn't spend too much on it. Looking forward to seeing the outcome👍🇬🇧
It needs a nickname, my starter for 10, ‘The Lemonsine’. ;)
That's great Brian.. will bear it in mind!
5:14 Mercedes touched by Pilkinton 🇬🇧. So nice to see a w220 without too many rustspots. Good luck with your bargain cruiseship!
As a car valeting buissness owner that car would really clean up with a touch up on the back where the rust patch is I own a 190 something about a Merc best of luck with it
don't bodge the Airbag sensor - that would be madness and could end up killing someone! Generally I think you need to invest in a fault code reader.
laughing here. 900 GBP is $1245 US. I would buy that in a heartbeat. Can't get a rusted out 20 year old jeep for that!
Haven't Car Throttle already covered this 🤣😴
Could sell the registration to a snooker player for more than you paid for the car Jack
It's one off sadly, KN03 CUE would be worth more :)
Do u know any snooker players
I had the S55 of this one. Was a great car but between the computer module and air suspension it could hurt your wallet. Oh yes. Always have a key with you because if the battery goes flat and you only have the keycard you are dead in the water.
Funniest start to a video snd the fact the sellers name didn’t put you off 😂👍
A carbopnfibre wrap with gold BBS wheels.
What about locking the glove box with the key?
Would a 20 year old Ford, Vauxhall, Citroen etc still be running and looking as good as this? Probably most of them went into the scrapper years ago.
If looked after - absolutely yes.
This also coincided with the Diamler Chrysler merger. Chrysler was becoming a real money pit. The rear wheel drive Chrysler products are to this day based on a Mercedes E-Class from that era.
The culture of Mercedes is very different than an American car company like Chrysler was. Mercedes lost all control of the product development process at Chrysler and during this period they had cars based on several architectures competing with each other and they were all garbage. A German company comes up with one good car and it replaces what was a good car. American car companies come up with weird concepts and niche ideas and Diamler greenlighted way too much stuff and it really started to suck the money out of vehicles like this in the mid-2000s.
The 113 engine is one of the most reliable bullet proof engines Mercedes ever made. A lot of parts as you already know can be bought aftermarket at a fraction of the cost of so called original parts Sold by the dealer. Parts which are made by the same people who made the parts for Mercedes so, no loss of quality. You will need to shop around for these parts but it will save you a bomb. Just stay away from cheap Chinese knock offs, they are also around.
Thanks for the advice!!!
So what is the tax and insurance like? Seems like a great car for £900
Number 27: Hoovies Garage - UK edition?
Good job he's is own Wizard!
@@farmerlamb2372 Your not wrong!
Ha! I was going to to say that exact same thing!
Ahah good one. Perhaps storage space will be the limit.
Probably a great way to develop the channel 😁
looking at the past mot history , its has held up very well . I owned one and did 280k and it did eventually give up mechanically at that point . I now have the newer model
and love it . what can you get for £900.00 with that that level of comfort and still look fairly decent . I would run it as a daily driver for one year and not spend a penny on it
and see if it lasts ... I would also think about letting subscribers choose a outrageous colour to wrap it in .
Definitely tempted to run it for a year without spending anything and see if I make it!!
nice one 🚗👍
Never mind the Merc Jack. My advice is edit out the part when you pick up your phone and play about with it, before an off duty jobsworth plod sees it and you get a CU80 on your licence! 🤣
Despite this being a MB low water mark during a drought, I love to see this old barges being used and enjoying rather than being scrapped.
100%%%
Despite its faults it still seems a bargain, you have to take a risk sometimes. Good luck Jack.
Its got Semperit Wintet Tyres fitted - pretty decent. I've paid more for just Winter Tyres, than you've paid for Winter Tyres with a car attached. I'd wash it, polish the headlights, bit of tyre slick do the bare minimum required to smarten it up a little. Find someone local with Mercedes Star/Xentry, fix any show stoppers using used parts. And use it through the upcoming winter. You really can't lose.
I just love the design of the rear light clusters. Whenever I seen them pass me it just lightly brightens my day.
Get steering aligned...when the steering wheel.runs straight, your dash lights will stay off. I had the exact same on my CL55 the steering angle sensor thinks something is wrong if the car is going straight but wheel is at an angle. Ideal car for someone who likes tinkering.
Brilliant !..l learn something new everyday .
Most definitely, a steering wheel that is badly out of centre while driving straight will as you say, bring on these lights.
I agree. In my 1998 A-class ABS, etc lights came on when I drove for a while with steering wheel not being straight. Suspension alignment solved it.
Jack, fix what needs fixing, then smoke around in it for as long as it will run. They are always the best cars when you look back at them.
Control your OCD of fiddling!!
Don’t even wash the outside, you would be inviting more rust, but sort out the inside, especially the seat height one good bump and you’d be knocked out on the roof at the moment!!
I think you need to try and outdo Harry Metcalfe’s Arctic Rolls and take the S-class to the Antarctic.
Get a 2nd hand glove box latch rather than bodging with velcro, you know it will only bug you knowing it's not been fixed properly
The dealer "fixed" my 100k S class rattling glovebox with a bit of velcro.....
@@adams7405 i would have been apocalyptically furious. Reject the car as not fit for purpose furious. Legal action furious. Going to the newspapers saying "MB make terrible cars and their dealers fix them with velcro and tape" furious. They would have ended up letting me have the car for free just to shut me up because i would go on a campaign of letting the world know how bad they are. I'd be collecting other peoples problems to publish level of furious
Deep joy, Jacks bought a Merc! Much good advice here Jack. Get a Star diagnostic, I’d go for steering wheel alignment/clock spring and/or wheel sensor. Then work your way through the faults. I can’t wait to share the journey with you, well done!
TonyS
Looking forward to seeing more of this S class series 👍👍
Thank you so much for doing a w220 makeover. Looking forward to the next episode :)
Jack, on eBay for probably less than ten pounds you can buy an "emulator" to fix that SRS seat pad problem. My son had to do it on his ML320, cheap and cheerful fix.
Get the front wheels tracked correctly with the steering wheel straight and itll probably solve a lot of ESP / BAS faults. There's a yaw control sensor, its detecting steering wheel position not same as road wheels, so thinks there's a traction issue and closing down the safety system.
Just had same on our 2003 W211, kept throwing up ESP Malfunction steering straight on motorway. Got it tracked by someone who knew what he was doing (not a tyre centre!) with the steering wheel straight. Drives properly now and no ESP fault.
Can't really complain at £900 though. What's that, price of a rear caliper on Influenza?
The cause of absence is reluctant ring magnets on front bearings or rear drive shafts.i changed all mine and never had problem since
I had a four year old 2005 Mercedes E Class. A lovely car that spent most of it's time in the workshop
In the United States that car would have a set of ridiculously oversized rims on it and the stereo would be tuned to something heavy on bass.
Probably cruising in the "HOOD" with a 1/4 tank of fuel because the owner can't afford to full it up.
None of the issues would be fixed either..
Hey William.. thankfully no oversized rims here! Big wave to the USA!
Merc let the bean counters engineer the cars in that period. Massively tainted the brand as a result.
Yes it did, crying shame...
That is true, but when the w220 came out in 1998 it was really high tech and a pleasure to drive. Long term quality inside (soft colour on plastic, leather) and of the chassis is quite poor especially when you compare it with its predecessor the w140. Late 90s was the time to safe money in the car business, that problem goes through nearly all brands. Advantage is you can drive cheap s-classes today.
Don't under-estimate how much financial fear resulted from tearing apart the LS400
Oh look, Jack’s being the British Hoovie! Bad news Jack, you’re a bit too posh to be a Hoovie. Better get yourself a Whizard!
Omg good deal my friend, amazing car ,little bit change and perfect nice car with good price. 👍👍👍🥰
I always thought the problems started when Chrysler took over. Instead of Merc bringing up Chrysler quality to their level the opposite happened😉.
Actually, Mercedes bought and took control of Chrysler, not the other way around, which is widely agreed to have been a mistake. At the time, we were asked to believe it was a 'merger of equals'. Soon after, all the Chrysler people were escorted from the building, from which you can draw your own conclusions. To this day the rear-drive Chrysler -- sorry, 'Stellantis' -- cars (not the trucks, obviously) are based on an E-Class platform from the 1990s.
@@Michael_Lorenson The rot set in with water based paint, where only the clear coat was water proof, door bottoms and wing edges must have been missed as that was where the rot always started. Then they started to use cheaper steel. Perhaps it was a generic German problem, to survive they all needed to up their volumes. BMW Porsche as well as Merc' have all manufactured some right rubbish.
@@timbutton4990
Water-based paint was a consequence of a US Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) ban on using some of the chemicals used in prior paint formulations. The early water-based paints were truly awful, but not specific to any one car company. Any company selling cars in the US was forced to use WBP because US repair facilities had to use it for any needed repainting due to crash damage or whatever. I suppose the manufacturers decided to use WBP worldwide because it didn't make sense to use different processes, given all the factors involved.
But I agree that the need for the cost efficiencies of high volume production partly led to the decline of German car quality. For many years, I owned nothing but BMWs from the 1980s and 1990s. Those built after about 2000 don't interest me because of their seemingly endless problems.
Terrible era for MB ,our local taxi firm had a fleet of poverty spec E200’s and they were rotten at 3 to 4 years quite incredible when you look at W124 quality….
Chrysler never took over Mercedes...what are you talking about.
Treat it to a new battery which may solve a few issues?
I think the battery is ok but will check!!
Did anyone else take a look at the other vids on this channel and think, "well the cheap Merc was a good watch, but the fancy stuff isn't for me'? More of this sort of thing please if you find it 'works' for you
Don't forget that airbag lights need resetting once the fault has been fixed, they are not like engine management fault lights that go out on their own when they are fixed.
I marvel at your energy and optimism. Then I remember that you are twenty years younger than me and that’s why my ‘emerging classic’ seems to go to the garage these days rather than having me rolling around underneath with rust dust in my eyes. I shall watch your future career with great interest, as they say.
Interesting vlog. Make sure you change the oil in the gearbox, they are known for the coolant to weep into the gearbox and mix with the gearbox oil.
Thanks Brendan!!
A lot of those system faults taken together might suggest a (or more) faulty speed sensor on the wheel hub... But then I'm definitely not an expert!
Lovely car! I had all those warnings (ABS, ESP, cruise etc) on my SLK recently and it was entirely the fault of one dodgy wheel speed sensor.
It wasn't only the S Class of that era that was shoddily built, many Mercedes models of that period suffered from poor build including the E class, SL, CLK etc.
Disagree, the 2002-2009W209 CLK was a solid car, well made and didn't really suffer the rust problems that earlier Mercs did.
@@colinthebeard I was referring to the first gen CLK. The second gen CLK was based on the E Class off that period and therefore would have suffered the same electronic gremlins that that car did.
Jack, as if the Influenzo hadn't tested you enough, in the dictionary definition of masochist must be your name? Drinking and Ebay, lethal. Bangor racing?? Pizza delivery?? Ram raiding??
@@dizzy2020 fair point, spend more in the car snd even more on repairs… all a matter of context!
Since I can't fix it, I wanted something that would make the InfluEnzo look reliable ;)
@@Number27 well done, you’ve succeeded. Seriously, looking forward to the updates!
I once shopped on eBay after ingesting some psilocybe cubensis (magic mushrooms) for 'medicinal' purposes, let's say. Soon after, some very odd things turned up on my porch...
Our old MD had one of these for years. Wish it was a dark colour, as would look more executive!
Folk stone? Did you go via
Ly cester square?
Mate you got a bargain! It's unfortunate that because previous owners of these cars deferred maintenance or just couldn't give a shit about looking after them, the whole series gets a bad rep. Get a good one and the W220 is really a beautiful car.
Ha! When you floored it and stuff started flying I lost it. But yes the w220 may not have been MB’s best but it’s a pretty good car despite the rep. I’ve had an 03 S430 for 2 years now and its going strong. The airmatic system has messed with me a few times but I don’t think it’s worth ripping out. It’s kinda the best part.
Lol visit workshop and Mercedes will ripp u off probably charge u £900 for a major service nothing changed there then
Do it up. And give to charity or someone who needs. Just giving page. 50p each from subscribers. Bosh.
I honestly would put a budget of 100£ for every thing that is broken if it comes for more than that, then you leave it broken, otherwise you fix it. It would be cool because if you stay 1 year without spending anything on it you couldn't make any video really, but if you trying fixing it you could do as with the Influenzo
Spotted a Saab Convertible!, hit like right away. Also, now you've got a merc, are you planning on breeding horses as well? (Other than the prancing one you've got already)
That's a great car. We work on these a lot. First things first for all those lights, check the brake pedal switch is in position and set up correctly 👍
I think you should call it the 'Mercenary!"
Looks like you're local, just shout if you want it professionally valeted or have the lights done 😉 I've worked on these before and do like them!
Where are you based, I'm looking to have front lights cleaned up on my facelift model ?
Only 3 mins in…. Smell burning???? @number27 Jack, do we need to talk again about the @firesafetystick? 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
Hey buddy.. I'll pop one in this car.. only need one for the InfluEnzo!!
This s class model was made when mercedes decided to sell shit cars with crappy quality in order to save money
Actually looks very nice inside - so the quality is not that bad. The 'fix' for the SRS is not a fix, right? It's just a bypass. Like pulling the fuse to get rid of warning lights....
After doing a visual inspection on steering and suspension components, get a 4 wheel alignment check with Hunter alignment equipment. KWIK fit have them and some places will check for free. Hunter is by far the best alignment equipment out there and manufacturers use them in factories. After getting alignment done and all where it should be, there is another stage which Alignment centres bever do and that's recalibrating the steering angle sensor when the steering wheel is in the straight ahead position. You need bidirectional scan tool to do it though. KWIK fit don't have these scan tools so you would need to find someone else to do it. Another thing to not do with these is change them to coilover suspension because you will loose the functionality that the air shocks have. Say you have a lot in the boot which drops the rear of the car. The air shocks will pump the car up to keep it level. The coilover replacement looses this function so the whole ride is changed and ruined. I've worked on several w220 and W221 who have done this it's upsetting to see what people do who sint realise how they have made the car worse.
Is this a (relatively cheap) distraction to keep you from spending more money on the Lotus and the Ferrari? You have a one car garage...and as I count, four cars. If you hang onto the Mercedes, it may reveal a problem that will make it worth even less than you paid for it. If you need a tax write off, donate it to a charity...while someone will still take it. On the other hand, if you think it is reliable enough to become a "work in progress" replacement for the Alfa (and you enjoy driving it that much), then sell the Alfa and get some money back to feed the car projects bank account. The modern sedans (even that old) offer some very good driving but this doesn't seem exotic enough. Perhaps something French...or even British would be more fun. Whatever....enjoy.
Starting with this episode of the Benz series on the channel. Streaming it on my TV on a lazy grey afternoon.
Cheers from Belgium! And I know these cars can be an (electronics) nightmare. The end of the nineties were a major rust and quality check problematic and erratic era for Mercedes indeed.
Again I admire your sense of humour!
The brown Italian wreck, isn’t that a Lancia Gamma?
Looking forward to seeing how this one goes, once you get the diagnosis on it and reset, see what returns and how much / difficult it is and take the decision from there fix or run to the ground
One thing either way you can't lose 👍
W140 Mercedes Engineers Car
W220 Mercedes Accountants Car
Hi Jack, I had a similar number of warnings on my dashboard and it was a faulty steering angle sensor, so would suggest you start there. Good luck with it!
Thank Alex, will look into it!
Definitely this.
Will be interesting to look underneath the car to see its condition and to see what faults the ECU presents and next to analyse what is causing these faults and fix the ones that are easy enough to fix and won't break the bank. Looking forward to the next episodes!
The valve cover gaskets are prone to leak on them. The smell you were smelling was maybe oil burning off the exhaust.
You need to incorporate some more William Woolard 1970s Top Gear poses, Jack.....!! Address camera with foot-on-bumper etc 😂👍🏻
😁😁😁😁😁
My suggestion, give it to someone who actually needs a car, but can't afford one in the current market.
One suggestion is to tidy it up and then auction it off for charity. A 50p 3.3 ohm axial resistor should fix that srs light. Just bridge the two connections
I always look forward to your videos. A great way to relax and enjoy. Keep up the good work.
Were you drunk during the making of this video? :)
Superb Jack, great gamble and it looks like you’ve found a good one…..so far 🤔 It’ll be an interesting few months me thinks 😊
I'd find the warning lights annoying and would also want to touch up the rust spots but putting those issues right should not cost too much and if you get hold of a half decent OBD diagnostic tool, you might actually be able to identify things like wheel speed sensors and then buy and replace them cheaply and easily yourself.
Was the smell of burning oil? Probably a weeping cam cover gasket leaking oil onto an exhaust manifold, very common on the 5.0 M113 V8. It was the case on my CLS 500 with the same engine. That engine is pretty much one of the most bulletproof V8s you can get though.
In theory planned obsolesce makes a lot of sense for car manufacturers, they make no money on car resales and very little if the car requires few spare parts. It screws the environment but why let that get in the way of wheelbarrows full of cash
Invented by Henry Ford ,I think
I was going to suggest the abs rings on the drive shafts as i had the same issue with a W210 E320 years ago. Amazing value for money though so good luck with it and i hope it gets the views for you.
Steering wheel needs removing and putting back on with sensor in right location, will solve your issues. Most likely removed for indicator stalk replacement 👍
Agree, but centre the wheel on the track rods, not by removing steering wheel (because removing/replacing the steering wheel won’t change the position of the sensor).
Looks to be an awful lot of car for the money.
Looks to be an awful car for the money.
@@K1lostream Looks to be an awful car for lot of the money.
Be interesting to see how much it was new
A lot of awful car for the money?!
about £80K I think
The eco bug started earlier, as I had a W140 and that rusted all over!
Needs 20 inch alloys c63 brakes and some lowering links...then the fact it's not black will be more palatable
It would be interesting to see how long it lasts, without spending any money on it. Keep it until about 3 months mot left on it and then flog it and see what you get for it!
Withdraw all the money in your bank accounts, put it in a pile, set it on fire. I saved you about a year and a lot of headache.
There is no way you won’t touch it!
I always watch adverts for creators I like but a 30 minute Tesla advert takes the piss! Who would watch that?!
Agreed!! Ludicrous!
Should the question not be can number 27 buy any car that's not a heap!
You might well be right!
@@Number27 I've had my fair share of bad cars over the years, a good, fully working, straight car would be boring for TH-cam anyway.
Nice car Hoovie…oops I mean Jack 😂
I had the CL500. It shares the same hydraulic ABC suspension system. The same 5ltr V8 and the car was bloody awesome.....apart from the ABC suspension. When it was working it was one of the best handling saloon out there, but when the ABC fails, and it will, its bloody dangerous and costs so much to repair in parts alone. The car will drop and can even let pressure leak from the valves. The ABC is ridiculous and it's only a matter of time when they go wrong. You end up watching the dash board for the dreaded orange light and for when it changes for the red light. Trust me the ABC system is shit , that's why Mercedes changed the system from the hydraulic system.
I did I write up on one if the Mercedes forums on how to rebuild the ABC system. Good luck👍
Drive it for eight months then sell the cats to a scrap metal dealer and the car to one of those companies that come and collect MOT failures and give you £200
That would cost €2400 a year in road tax in Ireland. Which is why you rarely see these beasts anymore
Nothing wrong with W220 quality,except some interior plastics.The rust issues were common with many brands for a while, after changing to water based paint.People like simple ideas,but surely it wasn´t like "W140,let´s make a great car,no matter what it costs"or "W220,let´s make a cheap and bad car".S-class is a Mercedes flagship after all.My own experience with this model is very good,no moneypit.
Hi Jack.
It's the Realy Funny.
A Drunken Trawl of Ebay.
What were you drinking ?
Been Owning Mercedes Benz since 1988.
Give me a shout Mate.
Cheers From Trinidad 🇹🇹
Love this kind of video. I’ve just picked up an S350 lwb which am absolutely loving. Mine doesn’t have the optional opening glovebox but is soooo comfy !!! Plan is to drive it to Croatia in July…