Did Pakistan Military Open Fire First From the Salala Check Post in 2011?
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- “They wanted to discredit the military,” Defence Analyst, Brig (R) Ashfaq Hassan explains what led to the NATO attack on Salala check post on 26 November 2011 and how foreign powers exploit internal conflicts in nations.
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Maturity = Cowardice
"If a battle can't be win, don't fight it"
― Sun Tzu
@@sobanraza7212 “We don’t win what we don’t fight for.”- Elizabeth Warren
That kayani was traitor and coward, not the whole army.
9:42 How conveniently he put all the blame of drone attacks on politicians.
They are doing this for decades. Even bajwa did that a weak ago about east pak
99 percent of total drone attacks happened during the so called democratic regimes of Zardari and NS.
Exactly
Constitution of Pakistan, part XII, chapter 2, article 245, states that:
"The Armed Forces shall, 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗙𝗲𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗚𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁, defend Pakistan against external aggression or threat of war, and, subject to law, act in aid o civil power when called upon to do so."
The military can't take such steps without formal approval of the Government. You may argue that then how do military take steps above constitution. Such incidents are always low level. But actions that have implications to Pakistan's foreign policy are always done my approval of the Government.
@@sobanraza7212 lol As if the Military adheres to the constitution, as if the foreign policy is made by the civilans. Your boys want power but they don't want responsibility. There were precious lives of our soldiers were lost that day, they aggressors should have been paid back in full and with some to spare....That is what sovereign nations do...
ہے جرمِ ضیعفی کی سزا مرگِ مفاجاے
Pakistan military was found with its pants down twice during the time of Kiyani and Zardari. Slaves are told what to do, when they delay they are punished.
They never apologized or compensated.
Zardari was working with US, as his primary loyalty. He wants their help to crown Bilawal as king of Sindh.
Yeh uncle brigadier kam aur property dealer ziada lag rahay hain 😂
He is drone negotiating dealer
@@shivaprakashhn7124 mein apnay ghar mein kisi ko kuch bhi bolu. Who are you bhai? 😂
@@naumanahmed18 ye chezz mere azizzz
Good one
@@shivaprakashhn7124 apne kam se kam rakho
And still licking their boots? 🤣
hahaha Sovereign naion
Drone Attacks
Salala
Abottabad
Indian attack
Regime Change
I missed the part where we were a nation, let alone sovereign. Clearly these military analyst find it hard to speak truth
He doesn't feel any shame while speaking a lie , he deserves a Nobel prize for his shamelessness 🙂
at 10:37 he is talking about you guys
😂
Buzdili ku baigairti ku English Mai maturity boltay hain Pakistan Mai 👏
Even on 28th Fab if it wasn't ik would have been different result ik proud of u
WOW, he asked political leaders to stop drone attacks at the time...!!!!
drama, In the end, settle on Dollars.
Response of SOVEREIGN Nation hahahahahha
I think Pakistani army is already discredited enough after losing Haji Pir pass, Bangladesh, Siachen, Shaksgam valley, Kargil, Afghanistan influence and their disastrous political policies and corruption of their generals ..
I mean look at this retired Brigade’s luxurious sofa and upholstery… how many retired Brigadiers in India or UK or US can afford this kind of homes ??
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD❤❤❤
PAKISTAN ARMY ZINDABAT❤❤❤
PAKISTAN ARMY WILL NEVER BE DISCREDIT NO matter how much anyone try
& its you type of people who are under the influence of Politics & Media and their view is changed.
Think about of it.
I guess we are discredited enough after nam, iraq , afg.
The indians are discredited enough after sri lanka, utter humiliation in indo China war, doklam or whatever , indian general caught with the wife of his staff officer etc etc
at 10:37 he is talking about you guys
We were not discredited in any of those except Bangladesh all of rest were ceasefires
I'm ashamed but your opinion has worth 😢
Keep in mind majority of the drone stricts were carried out by the permission of ISI. When there were hard target they were calling to NATO comms for the drone strikes.
Kayani was the second worst General in the Army after Bajwa.
Yahya no 2 Ayub 3 then Zia
they all have tough competition
Saray Army generals hi asay tha ,
Yahya se le kar bajwa tk ..
Abhi tk aik bhi mulk k sath sincere general nai aya
They compete hard.
The last Chief of Army staff that stayed in Pakistan after retirement was Yahya khan. that was 50+ years ago. When the military chief knows he is going to escape the country as soon as he retires after an extension. Why would he even care about his country and it's sovereignty. @09:41 when you weaken every institution in the country how will you expect the politicians to respond back.
No, Mirza Aslam Baig is also in Pakistan and never went out. The same apply to General Khakhar. Other than that all were Agents, include Aslam Baig according to Zia ul Haq son and Akhtar Abdur Rehman son but still he stayed.
Pakistan army always negotiate,those who attacked on them,
But yes , bloody civilians will always be prosecuted and punished.😅😅
He is telling lie because where were your radars??? Jhot bola jata ha her waqt.
Civilians ki Maoo behnoo ko inhi Amaricans ko bech k dollars le lete hen .. apne uper attack hua to national sovereignty ya a gai .. 😮.. this is not national sovereignty.. its DHA Sovereignty
Question is... Why Pakistani radar system didn't catch the planes and helis coming into our territory?
They keep attacking for hour but no one come for the support. Hats off
The real question is do we have any of these or has the money allocated been utilized for Pizza chains and DHA plots
They switched it off after receiving orders from their masters.😂
Well I don't agree with him completely because American didn't apologies on their act furthermore political leadership (PPP at that time) shamefully goes down and agree to accept American so-called apologies.
sb sy brray ghulam yeh establishment walay hain
Na kar yar
Maturity decesion ni tha begairty ma jo maturity hy wo dikhai
Mtlb, Mafi mango, dollar do, or hmmny maafi de hy... Air defence kia ker raha ta... Peshawer base se jets q nhy gaiy??? Begherati ka mozahira kerdia.
Yahe maturity apne awam k sath b dekhayain...
At such incidents, maturity = COWARDNESS.
Local TRUE Narrative is:
1- NATO accidentally or illegally entered PAK and started firing
2- PAK check post returned fired, 2 helicopters shot down, 12 NATO soldiers dead
3- NATO called air support and drones attacked, with in minutes 2 checkpoint bombed and 24 PAk soldiers died
4- NATO went back and reloaded ammo and came back to destroy 3rd checkpoint but it was already evacuated
5- PAK officially shutdown airspace and NATO ran away for 7months ZERO activity and Billions lost in trade by NATO
6- NATO and USA apologized after 7 months and things started becoming normal.
پاکستان میں پولیٹیکل انجینئرنگ میں تو آپ پوری طرح گھسے ہوئے ہیں تو پھر ڈرون اٹیک کہ ذمیداری، سہالا اٹیک اور اسامہ واقعے کی زمیداری بھی آپ پہ ہی لاگو ہوتی ہے۔۔۔۔
Pak generals always corrupted 1965 jang General Ayoub han 1971 jang Yaya khan and lost of east Pakistan and lost of Siachien by General Zia ul Hq and lost of Kargil General Mosharaf
army walay aese baat kartay jese Pakistan army ka idara Pakistan ki riyasat hou. aur har kaam Pakistan army ki best leadership k khilaf sazish hou, jab k asal me aik k baad aik corrupt or nalaik chief aya jisne badmashi aur siyasat k ilawa kuch nahi kia.
یہ بھی جھوٹ ہے کہ ائیر سپورٹ کمیونیکیشن کی وجہ سے نہیں پہنچ سکی۔ آپ کے ریڈار کیا کر رہے تھے؟ مطلب آپ کی ہوا میں کوئی بھی داخل ہو اور آپ خط و کتابت کا انتظار کریں گے؟
متحد ہونے سے آپ کا مطلب یقینا" غلاموں کی غلامی پر متحد ہونا ہے۔
یہ کیسے ممکن ھے کہ آپ کے بارڈر کے ساتھ والے ملک میں جنگ چل رہی ہو اور پاک آرمی کے جوان بڑی تعدد میں سو رہے ہوں ؟
ایسی صورت میں تو الرٹ رہنا چاہیے ہر وقت آرمی کو اور ایسا بھی نہیں کہ وہاں پے صرف دو یا تین پوسٹ تھی اور بھی پوسٹ ہوں گی بیک اپ کیوں نی دیا گیا ۔؟
یا تو جرنلز ملے ہوۓ تھے اور خوب مال بنایا ھے ۔
یا تو پھر پاک آرمی بہت ویک ھے جو چورن آپ لوگ ٹی۔وی پر بیچتے ہو ویسا کچھ بھی نہیں ۔۔۔
Geberal Mushraf ne kaha tha 'Constitution is just piece of paper'😢where is our rights
Why no anti aircraft missiles like stingers were not silently kept on borders . In case so its total military failure
75. years se civilians k rights nahi
Itni bakwas krny kay baad bhi tumhain rights nahi?? Esi azadi kisi aur mulk main nahi
@@streamingnow6461 lol asse mafia b kisi aur mulk mai nahi
kuch tu sharam kro, itni shahdtee howi aur tum logo bara teer mar lya tha nato supply rok kr. dob marnay ka maqam ha hm sub ky lye as a nation.
We lost 26 sons of soil and just sent a message that we are a sovereign state and demanded an apology. Does apology brought back our 26 soldiers. Shameful.
how can you attack in reply to USA which is far from 14000 km far? id10t
@@srizshaikh lawde nato didn't fly from USA 🤣
General Kiyani weak mind general with yaya khan
@TCM originals, where the Mumbai attack video gone? I saved it in watch later Playlist, but now it is nowhere to be found.
that was an inside job, ask KURKURE or i'm sure you can find something in india.
ہمیں ہمیشہ سے ہائی لیول کہنے کا بہت شوق ہے۔ دو ٹکے کی اوقات نہیں۔ نا آپ کو باہر کوئی عزت دیتا ہے نا ہی ملک میں۔ اب کچھ شرم کر لیں
On this day i was cried due to lose our self respect and dignity.
24 Soldiers Martyred= one apology of a USA under secretary.
Is that enough??
Allah apologised isnt that enough americau akbar
They did not even apologise on state level
Sir these stories are very nice love is always from both sides
Now we have an army chief of 12.7 billion
one sided romance is over ✌🏿
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD❤❤❤
PAKISTAN ARMY ZINDABAT❤❤❤
PAKISTAN ARMY WILL NEVER BE DISCREDIT NO matter how much anyone try
& its you type of people who are under the influence of Politics & Media and their view is changed.
Think about of it.
So? For few people wrong doing ? Will you blame all the other efforts of armed forces? Their sacrifices .
Army standing against bigger nation and protecting you from it..
Think about it.
@@hussainbux3193
Bajwa did an excellent job to discredit his institution😂
American Backstabber. They faild in Afghanistan and wanted Pakistan to clean their mess .
Pakistan Armed forces are discussingly failed and btryal. .
Stop confusion civilian.
Sham on you to miss information.
No excuses, please!! Because of this and because of that? Airforce responds nh kar skae!! Common guys!! It was a total failure from Our forces!! Brahmos missile is a second example!!! Americans came and walloped you; you couldn't do anything!! Simple accepted!!
Flow of information means
Jasoosi Muslims k against
Which is your profession
Thi guy is Giving this story from such royal house... Hope someone is believing his so called truth... Such a gret acting.. Telling lies from such a normal face..
Why pak army did not fire back on us forces....how many Jawans died in salala.... did us gave compensation for the shaheeds
Americans did what pak army does with punjab police 😂.
Versace Medusa table lamp at the back ranges from $5,000 to $7,500, seems like he have lot to loose...just saying!!!
Itny solid sources thy Afghanistan ma... PAKISTAN MA solid sources bna lety to itny blast 💥 na hoty and that time
Retired brig ka ghar dekho 🤣
As usual army trying to deflect attention from their own failure of duty but at least one thing he got right and accepted readily i.e 'we were sleeping' that has always been the case of all major failures in Pak army whether it be losses at Siachen glacier or india sneaking into Pak territory not once, not twice but 3 times to steal the wreckage of downed PN surveillance plane or Americans landing in Abattabad or IAF intruding deep into Balakot - on all those occasions, army, airforce were caught napping.
First step of recovery is acceptance.
We need to start accepting our incompetence, lack of intent, lack of a clear strategy.
Only then can we start our journey of betterment. Otherwise 75 more years we wait and get humiliated
It's an excuse!! How he knew soldiers were sleeping. Nobody was alive!!! Act of war? Maturity?? - America ne maafi nh mange hadh ha yar I dont knw why we dont accept the failures!
@@haiderabbasi145 Completely agree!! There was zero reaction!!
You people still don’t know what really happened. What happened is something Pak Army can never admit but its not what all you extra clever people think after seeing one or two documentaries or each other’s silly comments. This is what really happened. Pak Army were on special missions to give Al Qeada targets to NATO and rescue Taliban fighters and escort them back to Pakistan. Deeply Pak Army knew The British and CIA had plans to come in this region no matter what. So plan was instead of letting NATO bomb for many months like in Iraq which was there first plans. But NATO was lured into a false sense of security that Taliban were completely finished defeated and once they put boots on ground then unleash a fresh well trained and equipped Taliban on them. So on that day some Taliban were pinned down by heavy fighting against Afgan army with NATO air support. Pak Army many dressed as Taliban went to support the Taliban and Afgan army suffered many casualties plus NATO, Canadians to be precise lost a helicopter from a stinger missile. The Americans caught everything on drone footage and the bombing of Pak Army was a revenge attack nothing more nothing less. If you really want the truth then then you need to hear it from the enemies mouth many years later. Read a book by the then NATO British commander. Enemy hidden as friends or many other literature. Also watch documentaries such as double game to find the actual truth. Or a essay written by CIA field commander saying the female ISI mastermind who fooled every single one of us. By the time we realised she has handed us low level criminals and not so useful terrorists and evacuated major Taliban fighters and figures right under our noses saying they are all Pakistani embassy workers and their translators. Worst part is one hour before we found out the truth the Pakistan military transport plane full of Taliban takes off she blew all of us a kiss. Only after an hour when we found out how we were made fools we realised what that kiss she blew to us meant
zoror ap indian kuttay hogay
@9:40 If begairti had a face. Politicians didn't use to respond to drone attacks? US Shamsi airbase was created under whose tenure? Your military dictator gave free access to US inside Pakistan, and you've the audacity to blame politicians. Even after losing 26 soldiers we reopened NATO supply lines within 9months over a simple apology, wow.
Long live Pakistan. Shame on Afghan forces and there supporters. And shame on Pakistan not taking revenge
Don’t forget that drone attacks when bahadur commando musharaf was president
"But the real question is? 5 Apaches kept on bombing salala 4 hours but we gave no response... Why? The soldiers of Pak Army would have been capable to shoot them down with SAM missiles, but only if we had those on salala none of the 5 heli's would have made it back but we only had RPGs which were only good to show them our location. While SAMs are 1980s model used against russia by taliban and readily available with the taliban. And Pakistan's communication is not so pathetic that 4 hours of bombing is going at the border and the leadership is unaware. So we only kept running away like chicken in a farm. With more then 20 casualties" These are the exact words of a silent hero serving this motherland from long and who was present at the time of the attack.
Maraa, jata ghareeb sipahi........Brigadier sahib apnay ultra rich ghar bethaay tabsarah nigaarii farmaa rahey 😮😮
5:02 Is msg ka kia faida hua? Where is your dignity i'd rather die then to send messages
#TrumpCard #NarrativeCorrection #Truth&Reconciliation
Did America paid for deaths of jawans? Army officers always make good money but jawans live in poverty.
Look how rich this officer is.
A big part of our budget is spent on army. Looking at this forward operating base and how the communication and support system is in place for our forces, it raises a lot of questions on the capabilities of our senior officers. To this day our soldiers have poor and outdated equipment, no air defence weapons at these bases, radar coverage is non existent on western border, (example how the Iranians attacked in Baluchistan), we lose our precious soldiers every day!!! Is there any accountability?
What is this guy? Not who but what is he?
He says that pakistan gave a mature response by "telling" them that pakistan is a sovereign country...etc.
Where does he think he is ...in a punjabi panchayat ? 😀
The fact is simple that no response could be given at all. The treacherous afghans got away with murder...they lied and called in air support
Pakistan couldn't do anything. It was a bitter pill to swallow
Maturity ka nahi bht begherati ka muzahera kiya. Ye kis qesm ki maturity he k 24 bande shaheed kardeye jayen or ise act of war na smjha jaye ? Ye kon c maturity he bhai?
Sach V bol Dy K imran Khan Ne us time dharna diya tha American K Khilaf or
Log Ko awareness di thi us time sab Se Ziyada Stance A gainst American
imran Khan roll tha...
What a bizarre explantion .. they never apologised and even they did .. is it really enough for the death of 28 soldiers...
a small sacrifice ...in the end we defeted 36 country's armies led by U.S forces.
Nothing special same story with different face….
Phojii bhai tabsarahh nigaar ka furniture dekho.. Ultra Rich 😮😮
National interest only for the people of Pakistan and only for Pakistan not for an institution or its Bosses. Once again show us Pak Army performance not just wording. I am talking against India, how much land we captured? Did we divide half of the India or they divide us into half? And much more.
Bajwa did what Indians and Americans couldn't do together for so many years. This chacha is talking about polarization due to social media while we have been thrown back to the stone age. Digital Pk ko Mohenjodaro bana dia hai and this guy is preaching army ki azmatain. Let the people elect their leader and take care of the borders and DHA.
Social media p Information ki engineering dushman k Agent krty hn but Pakistan me apny e logo ko nanga kr k kon marta h??? vo b dushman k agent hn gy...!!!!!!!????? Dollar phenk r tamasha dekh....
Pathetic explanation, someone killed innocent soldiers and we just gave statements
Only waste of time, bogus and handicap officer, shame on you
O yar konsa pressure hai jis sy resign krna tha yar this panelists's analysis is hilarious when it comes to pressure on army chief and army being worried about its credibility...😂
Sirf Ham Awam ka to Kaam nae hai AP se Muhabbat Karna Apka be Kam hai Hum se Muhabbat Karna.
But Unfortunately always Establishment Loves their Corupted Puppets Politician , now whats going on in Pakistan, its 😢😢😢
reading the negative comments,i'm sure most of the viewership is from pti.kuch sharam kero pti walo.
It's not called maturity, it's called ghulaami when the military can't stand behind its own martyrs. We all know from where the military gets its instructions and dictation from.
This is such a sad video.
some strict response must have been given to America for their intentional attack on army
Bhai yeh sab sirf ke sher hain. Yeh America ka baal bhi baaka nahi kar saktay. Yeh sirf apne logon ko pakar kar military courts mai cases chala saktay hain, enki yehi aukat hai.
So why didn't they apologize
see his bank account and properties
Apni conversation ka shuru main hee in Sahab ki BAAT sun laien 1 ghantay tak hover kertay qpachi aur F15 .... to air defense Kiya chutti pay thay....
I don't wanna discredit this amazing administration, but if this administration can't punish a gangster like dirty Harry then the ppl of Pakistan will and always raised questions.
But you didnot stop the Air supply and they(Americans) use the Pakistani airspace for means of transport only Land based operations stoped.
Jin jin generals ne kiyani ko action lenay par force kiya or openly kiyani ki nalaiqi par bolay wo sb ky sab before time retire huay .
Pak general speaks American language lol sovereign state act maturely with no response
How much is one kanal in DHA
Pakistan will be sovereign if army stay away from politics
After rewinding all the incidents took after Salala attack. This is my reaction on your analysis 🤣🤣🤣
What we will do with your sovereignty after all that happened and got defeated....
@TCM koi neutral banda le k aate, ye sirf Chawalain maar raha hai, forwarding army’s narrative
Thanks to weak political zardari , the face savior for keyani who stopped NATO supply line for 3 weeks making NATO running out of diapers. if that was up to Keyani ,attackers were treated like SON in Law Raymond Davis black water mercenary turned diplomat last minute and flown out of chaklala Air base quietly .
Army never gave any politicians or government any authority over foriegn policy and foreign relations dealings since day 1. If u think zardari did these things then u r delusional
After OBL was found..... This was their stern message and Slap........ And after that Dollars stopped
Sir maafi from America was not a thing our Army should have to attack NATO base in Afghanistan.......why our Army always afraid of America.
Agr communication k means destroy ho gae thy start me to apk radar or army + air force k surveillance systems kidhr thy. Bewakoof bna rhy ho jhoot bol rhy. Jhoot pe jhoot bol k apni nakamio ko chupa rhy sharam kro.
Who is enjoying his life in Australia becoming a multi billion air guess the name who allowed our soldiers to die on the hands of our so called lords . Where did that kind of wealth came from . Dukh dukh aur dher sara dhokha bas yehi mila h awam ko , Pr ab ankhon se Parda utarr chuka h .
Kayani made a lot of money from these dangerous adventures, he has more guts than sneeky bajwa.
In the first instance itself. why did u allow US to do operation on your soil..r u incompetent? sorry to say ur response was not mature rather a cowardly act..
why didnt the state take stance when they caried drones attacks against civlian, the state wokeup when military was targeted
Ye waly cheif kahan hy