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I can't believe the writers managed to write Stolas as such a realistic abuser that even they didn't notice that's what he is. That's more impressive than any of the writing the show has thrown at me.
😂 I mean they romanticized the cheating husband and the home wrecker in a sugar daddy arrangement and made it look like a RomCom. Got to say props to make these characters feel like good guys
That is my problem with the show like this is hell every character are bad like no one are innocent so its hard to like them im not saying you cant like bad characters but its hard to make them seem good after showing them doing terrible things
@changingpeopleslivesmoon2993 i would say more specifically bad characters can be enjoyable when compelling but an issue too is the inconsistencies that pile up and the picture it paints
Its hell of course they're bad! When blitzo kills humans and moxxie even kills other demons only for the line to be drawn when Stella wants stolas dead
Its hell! Of course they're bad! When blitzo goes to use a real world slur he used in the pilot but the line is drawn when a toddler character uses a made up one
Its hell of course they're bad! When blitzo threatens to assault millie hits moxxie and creeps on the both of them but the line is drawn when Stella tries to hit stolas
They're in hell of course they're bad! But if it happens to the main characters? how awful!!
@@taylort3674YOU EXPLAINED IT PERFECTLY
Stolas is literally the textbook definition of “gaslight,gatekeep,girlboss” type of abuser & his gaslighting worked on the audience too considering his fans ig 😭
The fact he chose to get laid with a random jock to cope for the break-up with what seems to be the most important person in his life, instead of thinking to go hang out with Octavia, the seemingly second most important, to whom at the time still had complete accessibility to, speaks volumes about his character.
Now that I'm thinking about it... Where WAS Via during all this?
Stolas didn't try to hang out with her, did she not try to hang out with him either?
@GaminfDog my only idea is that it was the weekend and Via was with Stella, that's all I got
@G.K42u2t Yeah It really would have added to the "negetful parent" thing added the extra "you are wrong stolas" to Sinsmas.
Imagine if he was hanging out with Via then turns on the TV and dips out,
Or she tries to talk to him and she pushes her out the way to save Blitzo
Not that she needs more justification for her choice, but I'm just saying.
oh shit that puts it into perspective perfectly
@@G.K42u2t When you think about that he becomes so much worse because Stella is seen to be physically abusive to stolas and he doesn’t care to think that she might be a dangerous person for her daughter to be around??? He knows Stella doesn’t really care for her so why the hell would he leave Octavia alone with her
Tbh, watching Octavia call out Stolas for his actions in the Sinmas episode felt cathartic. Like, the writers wanted it to be framed like a tragic misunderstanding when in reality, to us it’s just a cathartic scene of Octavia calling out Stolas for being so quick to leave her without a single thought in the name of a fantasy. Whatever tragic effect the writers wanted with that ending didn’t work, it did the total opposite.
He didn't have time to think though? If he stopped to think for even a second Blitzo would have died, it was fight or flight
@ good point, but that doesn’t take away from the other times Stolas neglected his daughter.
@GaminfDog pretty sure he had plenty of time to think about his daughter when singing the first chorus of the song. You know, before he suddenly decides to sabotage himself and abandon all 17 years he spent with Octavia for a life of a guy he’s known for, like, a year and has met for 1 day 25 years ago.
@GaminfDog but he had time to sing a whole ass song
@caramel9154to be fair it is also a musical there is many times in musicals where the characters have time to do something but sing a song anyways
Think of jojo where characters manipulate time like time stopping for 3 seconds but it goes on for a whole ass minute and the characters have 2 paragraphs of dialogue
I hate how they only made Stella abusive to excuse Stolas’ cheating and generally shitty behavior in regards to their family. She was mad because he cheated on her and publicly humiliated her but then season 2 made it so she was just always evil so it’s okay that Stolas did that. I hate how Viv treats her female characters and it was after episode one of season two that I dropped it entirely.
Stolas is the writers pet. So the story bends (and partially breaks) to make him look good.
Otherwise the story would have been Stella being angry at stolas for failing to hide his affair and Stolas having an affair because of being stuck in a loveless marriage. And octavia being stuck right in the crossfire.
But That would require for stolas to look like the terrible person he is.
Writers on the team try to justify cheating, stella has SO MUCH potential as a character and a villain. But they made her this cliche villain-type. It's so frustrating to sit through
LITERALLY bro you are so right ✋🏻😭 couldn’t agree more . I love Stella tbh I feel so bad for her and Octavia
The thing is stolas cheating shouldn't be justified I mean just because you are arrange to be wed does not mean Jack shit cheating is still cheating it doesn't matter the gayness or sexuality and they trying to justify cheating like what! No matter what it is cheating is still cheating
stella is so uninteresting and poorly written its funny 😭😭 i have no idea why hb is trying to make stella out to be a threat when not only is she dumb as rocks, weaker than a cockroach, and has no position of power over stolas but stolas literally could have divorced her at anytime considering there are literally no reprocautions. and after the divorce the writers knew that stella literally couldnt do or say anything of worth so they introduced andrealphus to develop the most convoluted "plan" to take stolas' wealth that would have never worked if stolas had half a brain.
hot take: Stolas is a horrible father and just as bad as Valentino (the deal with blitz) I hate him so much. When he dirty talked to blitz right in front of Via, taking her to loo loo land, which she dislikes, only for his real intentions to be staying with blitz and only paying attention to him(and blitz is visibly uncomfortable), when he constantly lies to her, when he cheated on Stella (I hate unfaithful being who get rewarded for being unfaithful with a burning passion, and Stella being written in a trash way just to woobify and make Stolas look like the victim irks me)
100% agree. I was flabbergasted seeing people ship him and Blitz before the first season was over I'm not gonna ship a character with someone they're visibly uncomfortable with. With via sure he may love her but love isn't enough to make him a good dad and i know the show says he stayed on a miserable marriage and put up with Stella was for his daughter to have a normal life but thats only shown and not told and he failed at that anyway
hotter take: i actually like the idea that he cheated on stella- but i wish they would let that be a BAD thing he did and not try to justify it- more actually flawed characters please!
Definitely not as bad as Valentino, but definitely still pretty bad
He's better than all the fathers shown in this show, but still a HORRIBLE father fr💀
@ blitz is objectively a better father then stolas-
stolas:**literally treats her daughter like a second thought then a person, and forgets she even exists**
the HB fandom: aww, what a great parent! 💕
Exactly
Probably cause most of them don’t know what a dad is
Octavias suffering is ever demented Fujoshis fettish
@@Alf-gm7tf this fandom really like to sexuality dads. They clearly never had a relationship with their dad
@Alf-gm7tf Moreso loving, Stolas even aggressively grabbed Octavia's arm as she was leaving, no loving parent would stop their child from leaving if they're upset and keep distance.
you’re so right about the fact that Stolas never should have been invited to the Blitz hate party. i felt like i was going insane watching that episode cause like…. they were never dating?? Stolas and Blitz aren’t ex boyfriends, honestly i dont think you can even call them friends. they met up ONCE A MONTH just to have sex (sex Stolas is coercing Blitz to agree to, because he’ll be out of a job otherwise!!) and even when we see their text messages when Stolas is in the hospital, they dont have normal conversations or act like friends. i dont think they know anything meaningful about each other.
so it was so infuriating to see Stolas get invited to the party as “Blitz’s newest ex” and treated as the guest of honor, complete with his own musical number where he sings about how much Blitz hurt him, when their “relationship” was never like that and Stolas held all the power in it! we could have learned more about Verosika as a person as well as her past with Blitz, but she only got one scene with him and the rest of the episode was the Stolas pity party. the owl is clearly favored by the writers, he warps the entire show around him in a way that is endlessly frustrating.
You are absolutely right on one hand Blitzo and Stolas haven’t seen each other in 25 years no and don’t know a single thing about one another because both don’t know who to communicate and on the other hand the writers had a golden opportunity to show Verosika backstory but the writers wasted it
@@jameswalker6724 I don't want to set red flags but Doesnt it seem weird that stolas first ever "Friend" from when he was like like 6 or 10 years old who he never met for 25 years ,he is suddenly super horny for ? Idk seems weird to me
I sooner expected a set up to be especially tying to their whole misunderstanding that stolas learns about it, invites himself to it claiming to have been in a relationship and then either
1. Everyone believes it and blitzo is further upset
2. They find out stolas's situation was not comparable and kick him making him have to consider (even if he ultimately dismisses it) that his relationship was much more transactional and he is not as in the right as he might think himself to be
Just bc it seemed like relatively standard set up and payoff
god he's kinda like a real narcissist but it's all completely unintentional and it makes me wonder WHY he's written that way- who is he based off of in vivzie's real life- why is he like this???
I seriously think half the people at the party aren’t even his exes. Freaking Dennis was there and all they did was make out.
I think some people are there as plus ones and some people are there because of Verosika.
(She does a whole song. I could see hardcore Verosika fans sneaking in to see her)
They so badly WANT Stolas to be a good father but it keeps getting ruined for Stolitz fan-service and they keep using Octavia's "She's mad at her Dad," plotline over and over again as a result. I hate it. The writing for this show makes me want to pull my hair out.
Season 3 will probably get better
@AtlasTheCatYTFingers crossed
@AtlasTheCatYT We'll see.
@AtlasTheCatYTnot at all😂😂
@@Dairyshelly this coming from a dandys world fan
When Octavia finally confronted Stolas in the last episode, it was the moment when the show finally showed us that Stolas did get the consequences, he hurt his daughter many times and now he sees it. But for some reason people were mad at Octavia and were feeling bad for Stolas??
I mean, feeling bad for Stolas and being angry at him are both completely valid because we know the context.
Is it bad? Yes
Is there a reason to feel bad? Yes
Both perspectives are valid, idk why it's such a hard concept for you
Well this I get he saw the consequences But I DONT UNDERSTAND THE OTHER CONPLAINTS THEY MAKE NO SENSE
@GaminfDog• Hell no, we should not feel bad for a character who is so full of themselves 😭
@prettyhatemachinexoxo but we should feel bad for a character who's daughter is gonna hate them
@prettyhatemachinexoxo except that's a common trope in media?
A character starts off full of themselves then gets better?
Especially when their childhood is so bad.
They are trying so hard to make Stolas be this soft uwu guy, that they even changed his design on season 1 he had a lot more edges on his design, while on season 2 he is drawn more softly
I will never get over the fact that they turned his vest thing from the first season into a onesie in the second season, because even though he was bare legged most of the time, it felt like elegant pants tucked into boots, with the onesie he just looked silly
Fr! They made him "cuter"
Honestly, it is obvious that Stolas was supposed to be the villain or at least a bad person on the show, judging by how much spikes, triangles and hard edges are present on his design + his overall relationship with Blitz, like... Blitz only have something "romantic"/sexual with Stolas because of something he needs to do his JOB/make his company work, this is comparable to in order for you to stay in your job you need to survive, you need to get "intimate" with your boss or he will fire you.
he didn't have pupils either, it makes a lot of the more recent seasons feel... weird
@caramel9154 its pretty clear that they are making this so his design can appear more cuter and emotional, since big pupils tend to make a design come off as friendly and cute
By having "imps are at the bottom and goetia are near the top" this show is immediently abt classism. I needed Stolas to have some sort of epiphany regarding that after full moon. He needed to recognise that a power imbalance BEFORE moving in w/ Blitz. It feels cheap to just push him into the "equal footing" thing without his own self-examination first.
Yes!
I mean he's poor now. He's gonna learn now what poor people have to deal with
i wish they actually had consistent and coherent world building and focused on that classism aspect. It feels like the writers of hazbin and helluva are allergic to actually tackling those themes because they exclusively wanna write about toxic yaoi and daddy issues.
He already HAD that epiphany though, like people he broke the deal for a good reason.
@@Jdudec367 That's a good point, actually. I interpreted that more as "the book binds us together" or "he's here for the book and not me", not an actual reflection of his words or actions demeaning Blitz.
I hate how the story tried to frame Stolas and Blitzo as this cute couple who just misunderstand each other when Stolas, even to us as the audience, has shown almost no actual interest in Blitzo as a person. Blitzo lets him into his life and home and tries to help him adapt and Stolas just doesn't care unless it involves him being loved and coddled. On another side note, I do genuinely like Blitzo as a character and his struggles and the moments he does evolve, but the way he gets fucked over by the writers is crazy
Even Blitzo's development is undid in some episodes for "comedy", like him screaming at Moxxie in Unhappy campers, and calling him a wh$re bag and making his body dismorphia worse ( while he isn't even fat ) in Seeing stars. Taking two step forward just to take one step back close to the status quo for jokes that aren't even funny.
@redpanda6497 He has so much potential and every time, we go two steps forward and one step back
He is the most devoleped character yet the writers keep fumbling his character for the sake of drama and comedy.
it makes you feel like you're going crazy, because how in hell did he become the bad guy when all he did was call stolas out on how he just tossed him away like a used toy, and stolas did just that seconds after????
@@mellowsues Literally. Cause why are the writers acting like Stolas is the victim and a girl boss for 'standing up' to Blitzo when it should be the other way around? Stolas acts like Blitzo did nothing when he was kidnapped when he sent M&M to go save him. Blitzo HAD TO go to the appointment for his daughter because he's an imp and has to wait longer.
Stolas not giving a shit and continuously gaslighting Blitzo into loving on him, just further proves the point that Stolas is just a classist whiny bitch. I have nothing redeeming to say about him. The writers try to make it seem like he's a caring dad, but Octavia is literally just a plot device used to give Stolas some sympathy points
the moment they started portraying Blitz in the wrong and Stolas in the right is the moment when the show signed it's death warrant
and more frustrating! is that other characters respect Stolas,even Loona and Moxie!
and guess what! He is on the freaking heroes wiki and he doesn't have a villains one but Blitzo and his gang are on the villains wiki,like YTF!
Another issue I have with Stolas that I'm surprised people don't bring up enough is that he pretty much doesn't exist in the show's world.
His only major interactions in the whole show are with Blitz and his family. We never see the intricacies of his duty as Ars Goetia, we don't see him interact with his one friend Vassago, we never see him teach Octavia anything in present time or prepare her for any kind of exam as a precautionary heir, and we don't see him deal with the issue of classism between imp and goetia. Because none of these aspects of him are ever explored, he feels so shallow and weightless, and I can't be bothered to comprehend the weight of his suffering. A lot of people complain that Millie has the issue of not being able to function without Moxxie, and Stolas honestly has that same issue, as he pretty much doesn't function without Blitz.
The ONLY episode where I liked Stolas as a character is Oops. And that's because of his interactions with Asmodeus and how it highlights his more professional attitude outside of Blitz. For once, he felt like he exists in the world, and his goodwill to help Ozzie doesn't come with anything back-handed, so he actually came off as likable. Shame it's the only episode that does this.
To be fair the Goetia seem pretty disconnected from the wider story.
Like what purpose do they even serve?
Royalty in real life tend to rule nations and much of pre-modern world politics revolved around their power dynamics as rival or allied powers.
But Hell is not a mix of competing nations and royal houses.
It's essentially a single country which 7 Kings/Queens and an undefined group of lesser nobles, the Goetia.
Sins at the top, Imps and Hellhounds at the bottom, and...The Goetia just exist.
They have duties, lands and legions...But none of these are ever explored. What purpose do Stolas' "duties" serve Hell? Why do the Goetia have armies? Do they fight battles for Hell? Against eachother? What?
We're two whole seasons into the show and the Goetia are so poorly defined it's maddening.
@@PlanetZoidstar That's exactly my point. If Stolas is going to be redefined as the secondary protagonist, then they NEED to explore the Ars Goetia. You can't make a major figure of a faction so important to the story if you're not gonna explore the foundations of that faction properly.
@@CountShaman Yeah. But then Viv has always had this issue with her writing.
Everything as far as the worldbuilding goes is in only the broadest of strokes.
Characters get dumped on us and we are given exposition with no context.
Like when Beelzebub showed up, the fact she's never actually called that (only "Bee") in the episode left alot of people confused.
Every time a new character shows up it always feels like we're missing crucial context to understand them. So alot of the time plot reveals feel like they come out of nowhere.
Like Fizz and Asmodeus being an item.
Or Fizz working for Mammon.
Or Moxxie coming from Wrath. Or Greed. Or Wrath again.
Or Andrealphus existing. He just shows up in Season 2 like we're meant to know who he is.
Viv doesn't seem to understand things like "foreshadowing" or "setup" since she immediately skips those to go straight to the "payoff" of a plot development.
So characters, concepts and ideas only are introduced when they are immediately relevant to the story.
Where a good writers actually plans ahead, sets things up, and weaves them into the story in an organic way. Viv doesn't do that.
I love how the entire internet collectively called BS on the line" I Don't look down on you, when have I ever?!?"
I'm so happy you brought up how Via was LITERALLY among the very LAST things Stolas ever mentioned before he thought he was gonna die. I can't wrap my head around how some people are just straight up ignoring how Stolas was willing to die for a broken relationship, without FIRST AND FOREMOST considering his daughter. It is... It is baffling to me. He is not a good father.
I think you are forgetting he didn't have any time to think before acting because Blitzo was seconds away from dying.
That's WHY when he had time to think he realized it was stupid.
@GaminfDogHe didn't have time to think, but he had time to sing a ridiculous song? Please
@GaminfDog he had time to think be fr
@@JoseCido-s3s It's called making a plan up as he went along.
@caramel9154 He didn't, saying he did isn't a argummeent.
People who say that stolas is a good father didnt watch the show closely
While he did try to protect her from Stella's abuse he was also neglectful like in the Loo Loo land where he was dismiss of her
Octavia calling out Stolas like she did in sinsmas and how he flirted with Blitzø inappropriately in front of his own daughter in loo loo land and kept getting distracted by Blitzø when she went missing in seeing stars should be enough to tell you what kind of a father figure he truly was.
there have only be 2 recycled octavia episodes to make stolas look like a sweet uwu boy. octavia is barely a character, shes more of a plot device and a character amplifier for stolas. if octavia was really a character, then she should have been included in s2ep4. stolas was literally in hospital with serious injuries, and his first thought was to talk to blitzø like??💀
Nah it's more they dont know what a good father or parent is, if a parent tells you they wont leave you for someone else and you're more important than some person they have crush on, they would unlike what Stolas did text YOU if they're in the hospital seriously wounded, YOU would be given attention and focus, etc..
He is the better parent, which isn't saying much, giving he is complaining with Stella.
The victim blaming in Stolas’s song in “Apology Tour” is crazy. And don’t get me started on Blitz’s Stockholm Syndrome in both “Mastermind” and “Sinmas”…💀
The thing about Apology Tour was how made Stolas and Verosika in spiteful crybaby bitches one hand you Stolas the person who started the deal in the first place getting angry that he didn’t get what he wanted and on the other hand you have Verosika who has ever angry at Blitzø for what he didn’t to her but she does in the most toxic way possible in the form of a hate party where people burn, stab, and hang effigies of Blitzo as well as telling him to kill himself and saying that this is healthy the writers were on some drugs when they were make this
Thinking this might be what's going on is so sad
Lowkey Blitz having stockholm syndrome makes so much sense
The fact that Vivziepop said this is end game 💀
less Stockholm and more Abusive relationship, since Blitz isnt captive. Stolas DID perfectly rope a traumatized "mixed attachment" person into an abusive relationship though. Him texting in weird unclear "you dont have to come" ways had Blitz pretty anxious and desperate to prove they were fine keeping the dynamic, we know at this point Blitz is terrified to lose the deal but hes also extremely terrified to be "dumped/tossed away" and begs and pleads and starts to Roleplay Romance in fullmoon despite having told Stolas it was the ONE thing he couldn't handle. When Blitz snaps and finally screams at Stolas to tell him off for all the shit Stolas has done, for blaming the sexual assumption of their relationship on Blitz BAFFLING, instead Blitz is portaled away and guilted emotionally with tears. Blitz runs back to him over and over begging to not get tossed away. Stolas turns ANY points made against him into HIM being the victim and Blitz just being mean or ignoring him T_T
Finally we see Blitz, desperate to keep Stolas, give up every boundary, toss aside his hurt feelings in FM and again in AT, spiral without him and finally start to recover-- only for Stolas to be written to lose everything in an evil plot so Blitz has to get over any and all issues between them to become the fulltime caretaker of Stolas. He cooks cleans caretakes emotionally supports financially supports and gives up his own COUCH for a freaking beanbag chair- and we don't see Stolas say thank you ONE time. Blitz is endlessly sweet and I guarantee Stolas has him entirely wrapped around his finger at this point. If Stolas tried to leave or got mad at Blitz you know Blitz would be entirely focused on not losing him and donig anything to keep Stolas happy and around. There is NO space for Blitz to be hurt or express himself in anything but supportive positive caretaker terms.
It absolutely is set up as Stolas having an abusive dynamic with Blitz at this point.
Honestly, congrats to Vivziepop for showcasing step by step of how NOT to be a good parent with stolas! The people watching this show will be taking notes~
I'm taking notes but rather on how NOT to write a story overall.
something she should’ve done WAY earlier tbh. until then the show had been defending him with every cell in its body
@@ad1kher0gaming71 Same, Stella almost had the most amazing plot twist ever but no, they kept her evil.
Stolas feels like he doesn't have a story, he is just a punching bag or some weird story backline like Moxxie and Millie and I feel bad for all characters.
yeah frrr and stella is this exxageratively bad wife to make stolas look good has like no character beside to make stolas a fan favourite
The idea of vivziepop fans having children is terrifying... Of course I'm just kidding, her majority audience of 11-17 year olds will change and mature by the time they have kids :P
The thing that I find really interesting about Stolas is that he had a lot of power over Stella in their relationship. Like he is a prince and she is a marchioness, a step below a duke. His role in society is all this cool stuff, and hers is just giving birth to an heir. Stolas has the social, political, physical (he has literal magic, and she doesn’t), and financial power over her, but the story just makes her a stupid bitch, so he is justified in being mean to her.
Helluva Boss put Stolas in 2 separate relationships where he has all of the power and frames him as the soft innocent victim who is just being victimized by toxic, irrational " "abusers.""
the show never really seems to recognize stolas' position in society, like we dont even know what his royal duties actually are.
if the show HAD to take a more dramatic route and leave its OG premise behind (and I wish it hadnt) then I would rather it be focused more on stolas and stella's personal lives as royals in hell, and the drama that comes with it. i get that its pretty subjective but I really dont care about a "romance" between two people who dont know anything about eachother and which started off as a coercive transaction, a fact that the show wants us to forget
yeah like.. if you think about it for two seconds, stella comes off as a really frustrated person who's forced into a marriage with someone much, much more powerful than her and who doesn't take the arrangement seriously.
Honestly the whole thing with Stolas cheating is so fucking weird to me because I was under the impression that he was like, a fully homosexual man stuck in an arranged marriage where divorce wasn't even an option, and so I was more forgiving of the cheating stuff. But then he *does* just divorce her? And I just...don't understand why he didn't do that ages ago. I might've even accepted it if their divorce had been built up as more of an actual arc, which explores the complexities of divorcing someone you have a child with (because even if divorce would be the best thing for that kid, parents can still feel guilty that they can't provide a "normal" family). That would've been interesting!
But honestly how it happened in canon gave me the impression that the marriage WAS originally inescapable, and Vivzie just changed her mind midway through the show because she got bored of Stella, and then they made the divorce happen instantly because she didn't even want to develop a proper end for the whole thing. I think thats a recurring problem in both of Vivzie's projects tbh. Stolas was obviously meant to be more evil to begin with, but then he became a fan (and I suspect Vivzie) favourite, and his personality did a 180 into "sympathetic sad guy" with no arc to bridge that gap.
You notice it was other characters, too. A fun exercise is to compare how really popular characters were protrayed in their first appearance Vs how they are portrayed in their most recent episode. You can very quickly tell that a LOT of characters original concepts were thrown out of the window to make them less morally grey and more blandly "likeable". Hell you can even sort of see it with the original pitches for both shows; Helluva Boss was meant to be about Imp assassins taking out people on earth for the denizens of Hell, now its more of a relationship soap opera. Hazbin Hotel was meant to be about redeeming sinners via essentially rehab, but now its about the cosmic forces of Heaven vs Hell, and I don't even know how they're going to one-up a literal battle against Heaven in their upcoming seasons. I mean pretty much anything after that will be kind of small in comparison, no?
I think Vivzie and her writing team is just notoriously bad at killing their darlings & being patient. They can't write a slowburn character arc to save their lives, and they can't show restraint/cut ideas that they love but would only bloat the stories they're trying to tell. Basically all other writing problems from the inconsistent characterisation, bad pacing, massive casts, and world/plot holes are a result of that central issue.
Yeah, it's all so rushed! Like, Charlie's supposed to have a distant relationship with her dad, but then after one episode they're just fine, Angel and Husk just became instant best friends after one song, the hotel crew are supposed to be like a found family but they barely have any interactions with each other, everything is too fast paced and feels artificial. "But they only had 8 episodes" then don't try to fit that much stuff on that little time!
And they did change Hazbin Hotel's premise from the pilot... It was supposed to be about Charlie helping sinners who want to become better, now it's about how heaven is unfair and let the "innocent people" in hell suffer...
Preachhhh
He mentioned why it's been for Octavia, that's why many parents who would divorce end up not doing that. Actually was divorce even a option? Or would that only occur after the "cheating"?. I mean that's kinda why Stolas didn't divorce earlier he said as much in The Circus that everything he's done and put up with was for her sake.
Or maybe that wasn't changed? I mean a divorce happening now makes sense. It didn't happen instantly it happens over the span of the whole show, and she did want to develop a proper end for the whole thing. It really isn't a problem in her projects though. No his personality didn't a 180 and he was always a "sympathetic sad guy" to a degree and just like before he is still a flawed person really, there is no gap and he still develops and learns to be a better person over time.
No it was no characters at all really. How they were portrayed and how they are now portrayed doesn't change much at all though. No none of the characters concepts were thrown out of the window to make them less morally grey and more blandly "likeable" when does that ever happen? No you can't see it ever. Helluva Boss was always kind of about the lives of the main characters though. Eh no Hazbin Hotel is still about redeeming sinners via rehab which we see, it's not Heaven vs Hell it's not that black and white it's about getting people redeemed and getting into Heeaven and that involves stopping some corruption too, I mean they could do that heck we haven't even seen all of Heaven really. Eh no we haven't even seen the strongest Angels in Heaven yet.
They aren't bad at killing their darlings & being patient. They can do that and that's what they are doing with Angel Dust, no they can show restraint/cut ideas that they love but would only bloat the stories they're trying to tell as they've done that already. There isn't any inconsistent characterisation though, the cast size isn't a problem they just need to develop them properly, the worldis fine and there aren't many plot holes really and that isn't the central issue.
It's wattpad level writing at its core. Like Stolas getting favoritised so much, and for what? ...So a ship can happen? I can't imagine how good the story would've been if Stolas did stay a villain. And, well, if the writing team took a few classes before making a story based TV show- seems like they forgot to do that too
@@SodaFrizz666 Shifting a story to favour a ship NEVER ends well, why do writers keep doing it?!
THANK YOU, Oh my god I love Octavia so much and seeing everyone shit on her when her biggest issue as a character is STOLAS. If you pay attention she really is her own character behind the fact the writers seem to only include her for "Stolas Angst", which makes people think she's repetitive but she wouldn't be saying the same things over and over again if her god damn dad was messing up OVER AND OVER AGAIN. This girl has given him so many chances and I'm GLAD she told him off.
There was this one guy that literally said that Octavia should just get over it like what 😬
@@chunkyking8225 God if smoke could come out of my ears, I wish people would stop seeing Stolas as "soft bby boy, aww he's gay and crying" and saw him as what he is, a tragic yet manipulative prince that thought he could have it all
The fans of the show who put the blame on octavia are the worst. These people have no idea what an abusive relationship with a parent is like, oh but she should just get over it because my uwu soft boi stolas wants his little imp that he totally doesn't threat like a pet.
The part I hate the most about him is how he’s a horrible neglectful dad, and a classist asshole to blitz while also denying said classist asshole behavior, and the show STILL acts as if he’s in the right. Dude learns nothing while making the same mistakes over and over again and I’m tired of the show treating him like this “uwu sad boi twink”
Also feel so bad for Octavia. “Why does he hate her more than he loves me?” just…damn
HB was not advetised as a romance so that's why the audience feels justifiable betrayed. Only in episode 7 we actually start to get romance plot. Viv once twetted something in the lines of: "what's wrong if a show becomes a fanfic of itself?". We got the answear: braindead plot animated well.
I expected it to be bad, I did not expect “cheating is okay if it’s gay and and it’s bad when a woman does it”.
Making Blitz and Stolas childhood friends and Blitz be Stolas’ first love really fucked up the dynamic that had been set up in season 1
I liked Stolas better as a character when he was a problematic person, a flawed character who had a bad power dynamic in his relationship with Blitz. He was more interesting and had more potential in the story then.
Like, if you want to make Blitz and Stolas have that childhood connection, make it less special for child Stolas, and make it that Blitz remembers that, but Stolas doesn’t (bc the way he was written in the beginning of the show suggested that he was privileged and spoiled enough that he wouldn’t have thought much of a lower class demon brought in to entertain him)
Make hell have more explicitly problematic systems of oppression, rather than just giving lip service to it, like when Satan says imps were made to be obedient. Show us the ways imps are treated poorly by higher class demons instead of just hand-waving in the direction of it. Like maybe circus imps are regularly brought in to entertain royal children as jesters, and that’s how Blitz was familiar with the layout of the palace. Maybe Stolas- in keeping with his early series characterization- after discovering Blitz sneaking around the palace as an adult, hits on him and Blitz plays into it to get closer to the book. Make it so that Stolas’ behavior in the pilot and the first episode of the show make sense in context with Blitz and Stolas’ first sexual encounter. Having it be this sentimental “the one who wants me is my first friend” doesn’t follow, even with the joke that Stolas thinks Blitz wants to dirty talk and commits way too hard to that, and thats why he acts the way he does in the pilot and first episode.
Vivzie seems to be scared of making her characters actually flawed. Like she wrote Stolas the way she did in the pilot for the dark humor of it and also bc Stolas was initially gonna be an antagonist, but then she wanted to ship him and Blitz, so somewhere along the way she just decided that they can’t have this problematic beginning to their relationship, with the power imbalance, so it has to be something more sensitive and sentimental.
Speaking of obvious retcons and inconsistencies, there is something that one one knows, even Viv hreself: how much does she take from her source materials? To HH its the Bible ant to HB its The lessor key of Solomon. So all the ancient demons Viv adapts look like were born at least in the last 200 years (Bee's lava lamp body and hair, do I need to explain more?). So only Stolas, his brother in law and the parrot guy are the only one that got age nerfed, but they keep their immortality? What is this arbitrary fanfic logic like the anime girl in the third short?
ALSO, sorry yall but I don’t think Stolas is actually going to apologize for being a bad father to Octavia. Did we forget what happened when Ozzie called out Stolas in “Ozzie’s” and Blitzo chewed out Stolas in “Full Moon”, the former didn’t even keep his energy and Blitzo was so thoroughly punished that it felt like he was being abused into falling for Stolas.
In fact that’s not even the first time she defensively said there’s nothing wrong with her writing feeling like fanfiction. She even called it homophobic when people used fanfiction as deragatory because some queer people like it…That’s like saying it’s homophobic to shit on Big Mouth because it has some queer fans.
This is a video from Flazefire about HB and he also has one of HH, they are very informative, I recommend watching them. th-cam.com/video/7tehtH-rg94/w-d-xo.html&si=GcmeFlppkDFsIJSJ
The tweets are at 26:00 mark and they go for a minute or so. One of the dates is december 1st 2024.
I have several problems with Helluva Boss, some of which are:
1. The series is too focused on Stolas. It's still hard for me to believe that Stolas, a character who was initially conceived as a secondary character (and a somewhat antagonistic one, at that) has become one of the main protagonists, with even more development and episodes centered around him than main characters like Millie or Loona.
2. Blitz's newfound "love" for Stolas feels... off and artificial. Are you seriously telling me that Blitz, a person traumatized by multiple tragic events, with a history of unstable relationships, and great difficulty in maintaining relationships and showing affection, is going to end up falling in love with... a privileged man who pressured Blitz into a relationship based on "favors for favors" and where Blitz had no choice but to accept using his body sexually to keep his business afloat, his only source of income and survival? Seriously, are you telling me that someone like Stolas awakened the "tender" and "romantic" side in Blitz? After so many disrespectful and abusive incidents? It makes no sense. The relationship between Blitz and Stolas was conceived as a sexual arrangement, and Blitz was subjected to multiple humiliations and mistreatments by Stolas. It makes no sense that someone with so many attachment issues and traumas like Blitz would end up so in love with Stolas... although, now that I think about it, it does make sense in the context of trauma bonding or Stockholm syndrome. Yikes.
3. Octavia needed so much more development! Viv forgot about Via's existence until now. Her song is beautiful, but it lacks all the emotional impact it could have had because Via has no development. Her character needed many more appearances in other episodes to further explore her relationship with Stolas and Stella. But I guess when you're too focused on Stolitz, there's no time left to develop the other characters. What a waste.
4. Does the series... justify infidelity? Don't get me wrong, the scene with the gay family was sweet, but... um... one of them is still a cheater. Lmao. Even Blitz says "infidelity isn't a big deal these days". Yes, it is. Even if your relationship is trash, ask for a divorce and then do what you want. Infidelity is never justified. IMP has never had problems killing children, families, or whoever for money. Now they're passing on a job... because Blitz thinks about his life with Stolas? What is this series? What happened to Blitz? I don't recognize these characters. They've all become so soft. Too soft. It's embarrassing.
5. Millie's pregnancy wasn't shocking or unexpected, but it was absolutely unnecessary. I don't need to clarify that I'm totally worried about how Viv is going to handle this topic, and I don't trust that they'll do it well. It's a very sensitive topic that affects many people in different ways, and I don't think a series like Helluva Boss is the right place to explore it, because I don't trust the writing team to do a good job. I don't understand what the need was for Millie to be pregnant. This situation only raises questions: you're married to a good man, you're very much in love, we can assume you have regular sex... so Millie and Moxxie weren't using protection? Honestly, I don't get Millie's shock or surprise, lol. Yes, Millie, if you have unprotected sex regularly with your husband... you'll probably get pregnant... Lmao. Which leads me to another question, if Millie doesn't want to have a baby because she's poor and they barely have enough money to get by... um... why weren't they using protection? I don't know. Millie's surprise doesn't make sense to me. Yes, Millie, if you have unprotected sex, you'll get pregnant. It's not rocket science. It's logic.
6- Stolas, you got what you f*cking deserved. I HATE HATE HAAATE how the shows tries to manipulate the audience into feeling bad for Stolas CONSTANTLY. No. You cannot make me feel bad for this asshole. All of this is his own fault. He told Via "I would never leave you!" And "you're the only good thing in my life!" But the MOMENT you decided to make a sexual arrangement with Blitz you KNEW that would have awful consequences and you decided that banging Blitz was so much worth the risk. The moment Stolas came up with the deal, he gave up on Via. He saw his own desires and lust as way more important than his relationship with his own daughter. In Loo loo land he is focused on Blitz all the time up until the end. In Seeing Stars he's more concerned about arguing with Stella than hanging out with Via...and even when she gets lost, he just spends he entire time...watching Blitz perform. Loona finds Via. Not Stolas. Also, now that I think about it, Stolas "has his ways" to find Blitz in the human realm without his grimoire...but he can't find his own daughter...? When Stolas is depressed, we see him watching telenovelas thinking about Blitz, we NEVER see him spending quality time with Via. When Blitz and Stolas fight in the Full Moon, insead of, I don't know, spending time with Via, maybe teaching her some spells, or something, Stolas much rather go to a party dedicated to Blitz and getting involved with another dude. Nice, Stolas. Octavia is 100% valid for feeling like Stolas loves Blitz more than he loves her because he literally does. That's literally what the show has demonstrated over and over again. And I absolutely HATE how he is portrayed as a victim, crying, sobbing and being consoled by the entire main cast. Stolas, after being an absolute jerk to Blitz, after neglecting his daughter NEEDED to be held accountable. This aint it. Portraying him as a tragic victim is not holding him accountable for all the sh1t he has done. He. Is. Not. A. Good. Person. and I'm tired of the writers trying to manipulate me into feeling sorry for him.
7-Helluva Boss now feels like a soap opera. The series went from being a dark comedy focused on action to a series full of unnecessary drama and poorly developed relationships, romances that feel more like toxic codependent relationships, and everything revolves around shipping. The series feels, at least to me, like "Stolitz, with some cool scenes in between, and some good songs sometimes". For a series that takes place in Hell itself, the relationships that Viv puts on a pedestal... are quite socially accepted and "classic" relationships, Millie and Moxxie are married, and the humor in their relationship was that it was something seen as so uncommon in Hell that it was repulsive, well, now it turns out that even the sin of Lust has an adorable, sweet, and monogamous relationship with Fizz. What a coincidence, you might think that Ozzie, being literally the embodiment of Lust, could be polygamous and have multiple lovers, but no, again, a monogamous, sweet, and classic relationship, ignoring the fact that they're two men. And then there's Stolas and Blitz, now also in love, in an adorable, sweet way, and we can assume it'll be a monogamous and classic relationship too. I'm monogamous myself, and even I find it strange that, as residents of Hell, all the main couples have quite "conservative" relationships. The series has turned into a soap opera that takes place in Hell, and it has all the worst attributes of soap operas too: interesting characters are left aside in favor of the "main couple", toxic and harmful relationships are put on a pedestal because "it's so romantic!" and the series is filled with monotony and contradictions. This is what Helluva Boss has become. I'm not interested in Stolitz. I don't care. There are many more interesting things to explore. Stolas has demonic legions? Cool, will we ever see them? How do they work? Andrealphus is an Infernal Marquis, great! Can we explore the differences between the princes, dukes, and marquises of Hell? Wasn't Helluva Boss supposed to serve as supporting material to contextualize the universe of Hazbin Hotel? It seems that's no longer the case. The series is a complete disappointment, and I'm no longer interested in it at all. The show is just a boring mess now. What a damn shame.
You keep copypasting the same comment.
“cheating is okay if it’s gay and it’s bad when a woman does it” same with abuse. Stolas mistreating Blitz: “but he’s justified bc of blah blah 🥺..”
Stella mistreating Stolas: she’s a dumb cartoon villain who you should hate and not care abt 👍
@AcordHachithe millie thing is so true, it was predictable. In the other episode didnt they finish it off with Millie and Moxxie going down on each other on stage? The show would be good if the creator could take criticism
The way you write was quite literally better than any writing stolitz got in any episode
This show is just like a fanfiction atp its sad
As someone who has gone through a very similar situation to Octavia (obviously not the whole thing but having a parent who cheated and didn’t take the blame for it than tried to gaslight me into believing I was in the wrong) a divorce would have been the better option. A young child who doesn’t know any better usually blames themselves for their parents fighting which we do see in the series from Octavia. Also let not forget that fact that really anytime we have seen Stolas try to hangout out with his kid is because just now noticed she was upset. We have seen him in atleast two scenes where he was just not doing anything and instead could’ve been repairing his relationship with his child. Also not to mention during Loo loo land Stolas spent half the time flirting with Blitz. I barely watched the series just because I really didn’t care for it but than I watched this and remembered why I stopped.
Sorry for repeating some of the things said in the video but I do really hate shows that do this type of relationship and people support it. I love showing that it does happen and allowing others to feel a bit connected or characters, however the way the show is written it makes it seem like Stolas was someone good. Also apologies for any misspellings or awful grammar.
Don't blame yourself ever!
Me too man. Me too.
Here’s an extreme hot take. I hate Stolas as much as Valentino as a person. Yes I said and I don’t care
🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣 REBLOG TO AGREE.
Ok actually Stolas is as or more evil as Valentino or even Alastor
At least Valentino doesn’t portrayed as a good empathy for character by writers and Vivzie
No. Stolas is worse than Val because writers didn't trying to justify any of his actions.
Stolas is a more realistic abuser than Valentino if that makes sense. While Valentino is basically pure evil, Stolas is shown to have various emotions and guilt occasionally. But Stolas, at the end of the day, did pretty much the same thing as Valentino. It would have been a good opportunity to show how abusers aren't just cartoonish acting people, and are instead manipulative and gaslighting to their victims. But no, Stolas is viv's special uwu baby and is the victim of blitz...somehow..
vizzie is afraid to show Stolas in any negative light. He never evoles as a character because he's never held accountable. In apology tour 100% of the blame is put on Blitz, which makes Vizzie come off as completely tone deaf as a writer. All she cares about is how to get to plot beats she's come up with, the minutia of what comes in between is totally irrelevant to her. She knew she wanted a big courtroom drama scene so details be damned we're getting to that court drama scene even if Stolas' "sacrifice" makes no logical sense
now looking at it hes almost NEVER hanging around with his daughter 😭 most of the time hes in self pity or hes horny. which tbh its the overall shitty writing. the entire show is literally just a sexual fanfic wattpad story- always about the sexual relationship and never actually any character development. only made for the fan service.
I’m gonna put this out there hb is starting to become the next star vs the forces of evil but for adults. Why am I saying this because these shows have one thing in common, the romance drama when it comes to svtfoe the romance, drama later down into the season the romance drama was prioritized over the story which really diminish the lore and the characters that was built up. And same could be said for hb
I ALWAYS THOUGT THIS THANK YOU
@@nomizinhasemnomi This is the same thing I said around a year ago, but people called me crazy.
I've actually never met any adults who watched it. It's all children
@PearBoysDontCry I'm actually a fan of the show but never finished or got far, I'm 25 and you may not have met them besides myself but wouldn't go to assume just children watch it, there's Billions of humans on this planet and you clearly have yet to come across them.
This also happened with Aggretsuko, I only like the first 3 seasons.
full moon/apology tour Stolas is legit a toxic partner gaslighting
Facts because not one time in any of the episodes did Stolas show an ounce of self awareness for HIS in why the relationship fell apart no he put all the blame of Blitzo
The whole second half of Season 2 Stolitz shipping felt like toxic gaslighting these two into believing they’re healthy.
First time i heard him start on his bullshit about blitz making things about sex i was like "dude you made a deal based on sex like hello!?"
Not really
@@jameswalker6724 He did actually, in full moon he was aware of how the deal was bad so no he didn't put all the blame on Blitz.
I don't hate Stolas but i definitely don't appreciate how he has never taken the blame. He's done his fair share of shitty things in this relationship, too. And i sure as hell hope Via doesn't forgive him for a long while.
He did take the blame in Sinsmas though.
He took blame in Full Moon and Sinsmas though.
Your right. Stolas does make my job sometimes hard as an professional Stolas lover. But who loves perfect characters am I right??
@DreamBig803 I mean he didn't directly take the blame for his actual actions but some made up story to be painted as this big hero in the audience's eyes. He could've actually done both idk why they didn't go with that
I don't. I love imperfect people but stolas did so much harm and gets defended to no end, even when he got crapped on it was a slap on the wrist compared to blitzø
I'd love for the fans to meet someone who's actually done all that Stollas has, and try to praise/feel sorry for them. Guarantee you they wouldn't.
I just saw a video where they said "Imagine Stolas as as ugly bastard and Blitz as a young woman" everything else is the same, the personality, the difference of power and richness, and then, this ship is shit
Also I dislike how they want to see stolas as a victim when he is an asshole too, which wouldn't be bad if THEY DO NOT WANT TO MAKE HIM THE OOOH POOOR BABY BOOOY thing uughh
was the video by blackishhh? he brings up the same points that i whole heartedly agree with ^_^
I KNOW THAT VIDEO LMAO 😭
Can we talk about the scene in mastermind where stolas says "I'd rather be dead than live life without you by my side"? Like bro, you have a daughter
Yeah! He was willing to die for Blitzø without thinking about his daughter!
Stolas may have sympathetic traits but that doesn't mean he isn't ultimately narcissistic. He constantly places himself at the centre of everything and struggles to sympathise with others or consider their feelings.
Anyone remember when Helluva Boss was mainly about imps going to the human world for hit for hire?
Since when did this show become a soap opera drama?!
Episode 6 of Season 1. Thats when the "narrative" started.
New info statement that "Hit for hire" was never the show's plot.....which was statement by Viv's bsky's account.
@@jaywerner8415 No, it was "Ozzie's." We didn't know it at the time, but this was the beginning of Helluva Boss's downfall. Which is sad since "Ozzie's" was a very good episode.
@@valentinkambushev4968 Well yeah, Ozzie's started the Narrative we got in season 2. I just mention Truth Seekers cus that where it feels it started a continuous narrative rather then episode to episode. But yeah It would be Ozzie's that started this "storyline".
And honestly, IT IS CRINGE! Stolas and Blitz where in both in Half the episodes in Season 2! The other half are ether Fizz and Ozzie (2 back to back dedicated episodes), Moxies Backstory (Episode 3 was it?) or Blitz and the gang ACTUALLY DOING THEIR JOB (Unhappy Campers and GhostFuckers). Season 3 better be good cus man season 2 was such a Mixed bag. 15 Episodes, hopefully Loona, Octavia, Millie and Moxxie get some character focus. Hell even Stella is getting some from what iv heard.
@@NeoSonic64 Thats the impression of a Plot I got from the PILOT. Which Hay, it would be FINE if Stolas and Blitz would just STOP! We have other characters to work on and parts of hell to still explore.
Something was pointed out to me, and it's not talked about enough. In Western Energy, Stolas texts Blitzo first. He is injured in the hospital, believing he was going to die just hours earlier. It was likely the most traumatic situation of his life, yet he doesn't seek to hear from his daughter first. He wants to hear from Blitzo.
Making it even worse is the fact that he knows at this point that Stella put the hit on him because of the look she gave him when Striker kidnapped him. So, he knows his daughter is spending time with someone willing to hire an assassin to kill him and doesn't seek to get her away from that situation any faster. He doesn't seek to hasten the divorce proceedings or ensure no further visitations from Stella, nor does he tell anyone that Stella hired an assassin to kill him and potentially get her banished so she won't be a threat to his kid anymore. We know this because she's there to comfort Octavia when Stolas is getting sentenced, as well as being there after. And the fact that Striker was getting called as a witness and it was the first time the Goetia had seen him supports this. And yeah, she wanted Stolas dead specifically, but are you gonna let someone who tried to kill you babysit your kid? If your brother tries to kill you, are you gonna let him pick up your daughter from soccer practice the next day like nothing happened? No, because it's stupid to do that. He only considers his own safety.
And I know some people might say that he texted her before Blitz or that he was working on it in the background, but if we don't see that, it might as well not be happening. We have to see this on-screen or get some indication of it. The evidence we have says that he didn't, so we can't assume he did. The dude is a terrible father to Octavia.
Dude Stolas had SO much potential, since the pilot and episode one he became a fan favorite because both of them arent afraid to show hes a jerk, he doesn't care about Blitz he just cares about the exchange relationship they had, which was not a bad thing, actually a rare instance of good writting, Stolas never had an actual relationship, so he would never know its not about an exchange of favours n such, what i thought would happen is the slow grow between him and Blitz as characters and lovers, learning to be better and by that slowly discovering love between the two, and having something healthy for the first time in their lives. What ruined the character was the sudden change between season one and two, the writers clearly doesn't want you to see him as a jerk even tho he is, so they just do excuses and make him the permanent victim of everything, apology tour was a last straw for me, everything on it ruined the potential the show had, writers need to understand that you dont need a good character for people to like them, a show should never protect one character, what makes people love a character is their flaws, its why people liked Og Stolas so much as well as other jerk characters such as Rick Sanchez, its their flaws and past that makes them so interesting, and makes you invested in seeing them glow up and become better, clearly something that did not happen in both shows.
They just act like Stolas did nothing wrong it's so annoying! Every time he gets a comeuppance he starts crying and the writers want you to feel bad for him
i agree, i really loved s1 stolas and how he was clearly a manipulative, powerful and evil person, and how his interactions with blitz were all somewhat bad and uncomfortable. now he's been watered down to whatever is happening in s2-3. that is NOT stolas!! I'm sure we all expected blitz/stolas to be a side relationship and stolas just another thing blitz has to deal with, and maybe their relationship would be featured in a few episodes, not a whole 2 seasons. :/
@@summerstolemyheart Season 1 had a pretty good finale, with Blitzø and Stolas being hurt from what happened at Ozzie's and stuff, then season 2 started and just threw it all out of the window for forced flirty interactions in Seeing Stars... that was when I started to dislike this couple, and seeing how most episodes are about it is just annoying...
It feels like an adult show that doesn't have the gall to be adult. They couldn't even take the classism theme they introduced seriously
Octavia they could never make me hate you
Helluva Boss is trying so hard to be like Bojack Horseman, but it cannot commit to having Blitzo and Stolas be portrayed as genuinely bad people because it wants so much for you to like them.
They do bad things but are almost never called out for them in meaningful ways. Either the criticism comes from the villains (whom we're meant to hate), or it's softened by the protagonists being portrayed as the victims.
Such as Stolas cheating on Stella being excused because she's abusive, or Blitzo screwing over Verosika by having her debut episode establish her as a bitch.
Viv just cannot commit to Blitzo and Stolas doing shitty things and being shown as shitty for doing them. They are always the biggest victims in any given situation, even when they hurt others.
I'd almost argue its an issue within the writer (Viv) herself. She doesn't see these actions as bad. The characters always get forgiven and uplifted by the narrative, are given sympathy, despite the most of them being assholes. That's unless they're a surface level asshole, like the villains we're supposed to hate, Lol. Then when the show wants you to feel bad for a character, it really just has them cry, or exposit their trauma. Other than that, the show is VERY amoral when you examine the character writing more closely.
Viv is someone who does not want to change and it shows in her work, time and time again. Shows on Twitter especially! It kinda makes sense she missed the point of Bojack if this is how she writes flawed characters. In comparison, there's no basis of morals OR said flawed character is actually secretly the Good Guy in HB.
If anything the Hell world was written like a more screwed up My Little Pony, except even MLP had morals
@@SodaFrizz666 You know I really do get that feeling too.
Given how often Viv has played sexual assault for laughs.
- Angel Dust repeatedly sexually harasses Husk and never apologises for any of it.
- Moxxie and Sir Penitous both get sexually assaulted onscreen.
- Blitzo threatens to rape Moxxie and Millie in Murder Family.
- Verosika is basically a professional rapist given what she and her "Succubitches" do with Humans on a regular basis.
- The entire arrangement between Blitzo and Stolas has very questionable consent throughout.
Makes it seem like Viv doesn't think sexual assault/rape is that bad.
She also does seem to think that a character getting all sad and having a sympathetic moment is enough to redeem them.
So by Viv's standards, morality is based entirely on the one 'doing' the immoral action. Not the action itself. Stella being an abuser is evil, but Loona being an abuser is funny.
Yeah. Sure, Viv.
She loves her main characters too much (especially if they are gay men, like Stolas and Angel Dust) to ever truly hold them accountable for the stuff they do.
His character is disgraceful, disgusting, and despicable 🤦♀️
Just like Tord's VA!!!!
I NEVER understood why people shipped them in the beginning. Blitz was clearly uncomfortable and not reciprocating Stolas' belittling affection so imagine my confusion when i saw a compilation of all their moments together before season one was even over
0:55 Robo fizz better fr
Robo Fizz stans where y’all at ✊😜
I am heavily intp the fandom but its hard staying invested when Stolas is such a big focus. I hate him so much.
Im just in it for Fizzarolli
So with you on all that. And Fizz is my BEST BOI 🐸💖
@@cristinamarisjuanich8391 He's the only interesting character for me.
Same
Same! I don't care about Stoliz stupid drama! I watch mostly for Moxxie and Millie (who were put aside for the most part for more Stoliz crap)
0:32 heh….. metal family mentioned?😼
Most underrated show btw😼
Stolas’s writing makes a bit more sense when you find out that he was originally a villain turned sympathetic good guy behind the scenes, but my frustration is that the show basically wants you to forget that season 1 happens.
Like, the way the show acts like it was this was a simple transactional relationship between two consenting parties when Stolas purposefully waited until Blitzo was in a dire moment to spring up the deal on him (because again, he was meant to be evil) pisses me off so bad. Or how about when Blitzo imagines himself in chains and being pulled towards Stolas, you know, something the show often uses to portray abusive power imbalances? Now Vivziepop claims she doesn’t even know what they mean anymore? Bullshit.
If you wanted to make Stolas a kinder person then fine but don’t expect people ignore past scenes. I’m sure if she could, Vivziepop would decanonize season 1 like she did in the pilot. Season 2 doesn’t feel like it’s building off of anything anyways, just feels like a do-over.
Ill say I still like the chains as Blitz is walking forward, not being yanked, while seeing versions of himself as servants fanning Stolas, hes choosing to let Stolas have so much control of him and he KNOWS that. Is that healthy? HEEELLLL no. But it fits the characters unhealthy dynamic if you ignore them erasing Stolas' every flaw.
Its always "that would be interesting!" ruined by the ONE glaring huge issue of needing Stolas to always always always be excused and coddled
@@brigade7678I’ll be honest it just kind of feels like how Angelval was portrayed, where Angel dust hated the abuse but also craved it and instead of really exploring that she romanticized it in fan merch and just ignored those incredibly telling thoughts from Blitzo
@Birdyboys genuinely this is insanely long but it's just me being obsessive not upset lol.
i do think there is a difference between Blitz's experience & Angel's, in how we're shown the chains / their reactions. Angel grabs his own chain and pulls a bit of slack for himself to dance at Val, he wants to "play along" to feel some sense of control. It's such a reasonable response to the near 24/7 type of abuse/control Angel has been through for a long time now. It doesn't work, he feels some sense of control and tries to do what Val demands, and STILL gets hit around.
Blitz does see Stolas as above him and special, something that let's him crawl out of the filth of his life. He transforms back into his own original self and the muck clears off him but it's in exchange for chains. He sees a difference, that he's "choosing" to keep walking further into the chains with a sort of reverent awe. And his greatest fear is Stolas leaving, him dying alone.
Angel does not love Val and never did as far as we've ever seen- he needed drugs addiction controlled him before Val. Blitz absolutely fell HARD for Stolas while in the deal. Before that he had already been stopping partying/self destructing as much & was hoping to climb out of the filth. Very different vibes to WHY they ended up attached to the chains.
Stolitz is not currently being shown as an abusive dynamic by the show's narrative, you're right. I do think it's a fantastic study on a completely insidious and harder to spot type of abuse. I truly hope season 3 will have some outside person around stolitz point out how Blitz is doing absolutely everything, running himself to the bone for those he loves, & how Stolas didn't think once to even say thank you or acknowledge it. I'd love to have it shown that Blitz would realistically at this point fucking spiral and fall apart if Stolas left / threatened to leave. THATS the toxic current dynamic. He is unhealthily attached to Stolas and desperately wanting to keep him around. We already heard his "I can always do better!!" This is the person who BEGS to be kept by the toxic partner hurting them. Realism wise, the show has absolutely NAILED it at portraying a toxic bond forming. I love Blitz so I fucking hate it but it's also... extremely familiar and imo if they even try a LITTLE to tackle the idea that Blitz is unhealthily attached through anciety/fear, and that Stolas has treated him like shit / hurt him pretty bad, then I would genuinely think season 1 & 2 a very good portrayal of a spiral into toxicity. Blitz needs some serious therapy to process "Everything YOU [stolas] put me through!!" :')
Huge ass rant below about some differences in Angel & Blitz's reactions bc I do find it fascinating to look at the two. Especially considering the VA of Blitz has stated they would be good friends / get along, Angel & Blitz, as they have similar traumas they could connect on & understand each other." So... HE sees something there in the character's connecting.
If it's abuse being portrayed for both men then it's very different flavors of abuse with very different interpretations from the victims. Blitz sees Stolas faaaar better than Angel ever saw Val, and Val is much more outwardly bluntly physically and mentally abusive. Stolas is far closer to bribing than bullying, he's the sort of "abuse" where he absolutely can't see a single bit of how he hurts Blitz and when he DOES see that he hurt Blitz he seems to want to do something about it. That means he at least has intact empathy, unlike Val. Stolas currently in canon has absolutely created an anxious sick attachment where Blitz is desperate to keep him & earn his affection/attention. As far as we've seen Angel has never shown attachment to Val other than purposful self harm (listening to the voice messages when he feels hurt by Charlie a "safe person", so he hurts himself with a "unsafe person" again to feel in control. ) while Blitz self harms by looking at things to prove he's bad & hurts others.
Blitz used to distract himself with partying, it's an escape and a self destruction where he seeks validation through being the Fun Party Guy / party slut & people seem to like him for sex/fun so he seeks worth through it til trying to do IMP & build his worth in another way. Tragically it gets tied to sex AGAIN with Stolas so even IMP is based on how good he can fuck. vs Angel voices the partying is to cope & to ruin himself for Val so he gets left. Blitzø's seeking company & worth, Angel is seeking destruction to avoid assault.
Anyway I could rant forever about this shit. Sick unhealthy attachments CAN improve but only if both parties realize it, hold boundaries, respect boundaries, & don't lash out at one another. (Should they be together instead of Blitz getting the fuck outta there??? Probably not in a real world situation no.)
Stolas is a predator that manipulated blitz into doing werid shit with him.
The flaming unspoken urge in me to rewrite the show and make Stol-ass a cool and twisted well written villain so l can forget the "real" Stol-ass, ugh.
Yes, please. No one is stopping you.
stolas hate needs to be normalized💔💔
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I also hate Stolas. No clue why people like him. He's awful and tbh, I think he ruined the show
vivzie ruined his character by changing it. stolas should have stayed a villain.
Worst ever character written by vizzie
Because he has a interesting arc and develops and is funny at times. How is he awful or ruins the show?
the reason i like stolas is cuz of what he has gone through i relate to him in a lot of ways honestly he never wanted to be with stella and just wanted to be with someone else he tried being there for octavia when he could honestly he should have more ofc but i understand his struggles he took anti depression due to stella and how she treated him he hates her he never loved her cuz he is gay and how she treated him he had liked blitzo before he even met stella he became his friend as a kid then never saw him again for a long time and when he does his friend is trying to take the book and then suduces and grooms him to get it stolas has never felt real horyness as he is gay and has been with stella so this was very easy for blitz to do he then fucked him after and then he wanted to really devorce stella well i do agree the deal he should not have been doing at all he clearly wanted to be with blitz but blitz thought stolas just wanted sex and horny and nothing else i understand where blitzo is coming from where he feels he is looked down on stolsa has a bulter who is a imp imps are just looked down upon and in the end he saved blitzo for his mistakes he made as for there argument both are wrong in some ways i see both sides we really get to see how horrible blitzs can be we can see why stolas is upset at him in apolgey tour as for him and via octavia was legit muniplated by stella and does not even know how unhappy stolas is cuz of stella im not saying stolas is perfect but he is far from a bad character who has his own reasons for being this way he did not run off with blitzs blitzo was about to be killed cuz he let him use the book and fucked him so he did im shocked people who hate stolas would not see him redeemed now he has to be poor like blitzo now and will understand why he feels that way so theres my take on the whole thing
@kylezdeath that would have ruined the show
You just described how I feel about Plankton in current seasons of SpongeBob. He went from someone I didn't care much about to someone I absolutely can't stand whenever he is on screen for similar reasons you described here.
bro what the hell is happening in modern spongebob lol
FINALLY!!! SOMEONE ALSO HATES STOLAS!!
you saying that like he is the first one who make a video about it, i saw like 20 plus videos in the last months just about ppl who hate/criticise stolas
@@adrianmotz5343 your saying this like I saw the 20 plus videos (not trying to be mean. Sorry)
@@adrianmotz5343 I hate HB fandom and haters. Propably the most toxic combination.
@@vangeliskleno4339cool dude
@FavorOgunjimi it is a very common thing to see when u getting helluva boss videos recomended
I had two exes who who were JUST LIKE THIS. When I didn't want to do the do or I wanted to break up because they were making me do things I didn't want, they would just cry, cry, cry. It was so hard to get away because I was given the impression that I'M the one who's being an asshole.
he would've been better if they left him how he was at the start. I physically can't watch the show anymore because how plot centered stolas is. I just wanted a goofy demon assassin show
People say he didn't choose Blitzo over his daughter when he was willing to leave her without a father and with Stella
Characters like Stolas make me wish the Exorcists were allowed to kill Hellborn.
What makes Stolas insufferable in season two is how the writers try so hard to justify his actions that it comes off as manipulative and they’re insulting the viewers’ intelligence.
i agree on most things except the "bad" vs "good" guy. neither stolas nor blitz are supposed to be the "bad" guys in the show. but the problem is that it somehow never calls out stolas on his bs, and it comes at the expense of other characters like blitz and octavia. the reason why so many people like stolas is because: a) they are ignorant to his position and have the attitude of "the rich have problems too equally as others", so basically they ignore the inherent privilege of royalty; and b) because they haven't had the misfortune of having to deal with a narcissistic person closely. stolas isn't a narcissist, but he has those traits thanks to his upbringing and his tendency to romanticize everything. i actually like stolas as a character, but if the show continues without ever calling him out (hello, the guy hasn't even apologized to blitz for literally making him sell his body to get the grimoire, but also humiliating and making him out to be the bad guy the second blitz actually called him out on his arrogance), i'll be extremely disappointed, because what it shows to me is that the authors genuinely don't see the issue with the power imbalance in stolitz (him losing his powers for some time still doesn't erase that btw) and the hypocrisy in stolas
To be honest my enjoyment of watching Helluva Boss now is akin to watching a car crash with morbid curiosity. I'm too far in to completely drop the show so I'm just indifferent to everything.
from chapter one of the "stolas' family" story i couldn't help but hate stolas and how he was written. not only is his every action excused by the writer in order to continue feeding fanservice slop to the fans, every character around him bends in his will. i loved octavia, i still do, even with how little character there is of her i can't help but relate to her as another teenage girl. and it makes me so mad how everytime stolas apologizes, she immediately turns around and forgives him as if nothing happened, only for it to happen again. that's not how real relationships work and even less father-daughter ones.
it started as a funny comedy about a found family of demons and turned into some watt pad deviant art oc fan fiction.
Viv and the writers have just rotated towards Stolitz as the main focus of the show to where making a I.M.P mission episode feel like a chore. Hell they even put the main focus of the show on the backburner and turned it into short stories, so the writers could make the whole plot about there brand baby and cater towards fan service. I pray that in the future they go back to making the missions the main focus of the show while also prioritizing Millie and Moxxie's kid. but honestly I'm kinda hoping we get an episode focused on Stella and Octavia's relationship as a whole.
Can i say its weird how in apology tour everyone at the Blitzo ex party seem to treat him as a victim but suddenly after mastermind all the other demons besides the main cast hate him
Well easy. Apology Tour was full of people Blitz "dated" (which i call bs on, no way he dated and got that close with THAT many people), and it was more of a support group to collectively bash Blitz. In Mastermind, that was just the general imp population. And most imps DESPISE royals. Its not weird, it's just different situations. Stolas was in a support group party essentially in Apology Tour and the "real world" in Mastermind
at the party they just support him as one more reason to hate Blitz, not bc they care about him. In fact several guests are rude to each other there, including rude to him. The imps after mastermind hate him because of his big speech calling imps stupid incompetent etc and that he was "manipulating his imps (IMP) to do his bidding but was only saving them so he could take the Glory of being so clever". So the other imps now hate SPECIFICALLY stolas for what he said on TV and they think Blitz is only with him because he has been brainwashed / manipulated and is being used. Thats why theres a huge flip on how random hellborn treat him.
@brigade7678 I mean on that brainwash bit they aren't *entirely wrong*
@ghostslayer1981 mmmmhm, those imps have NO clue. It's far more subtle and well done gaslighting than the act he put on in Mastermind.
It's honestly a lil unnerving, especially with Blitzø jumping to defend him & beat up fell imps who are... absolutely understandably upset at Stolas *for* him. We just gloss right over it and paint the imps as Bad for hurting the poor royal "higher demon" forced to live... like they have to live. :T
To be clear, I don't even hate the show. I want to love it. I'm just mad at where Full Moon - Sinsmas took us. I held out so much hope for Stolas to take accountability, I really fell for Just Look My Way & thought he understood what he'd done. Instead we watched him gaslight stonewall and victim blame Blitzø til he submitted entirely
@brigade7678 yeah, its just awful. I really thought he was learning his lesson in LMW. And then Full Moon crashed my hopes into a tree. I hoped Apology Tour would be the rescue team but really that was another drunk driver running my barely living hopes over with a semi truck. Blitz pretty much got victim blamed and gaslit until he wanted him back since Stolas genuinely "cares about him" (Guess his IMP family doesn't count, whatever.....)
Its not that Stolas is awful is just that he affected the show as a whole beacuse they oversimplify everything and erased all newonce about his relationship with Blitz, bleaching all the grey areas, turning Stella and Octavia into writing tools to make him look good and turning Stolas into "uwu poor baby" for the sake of people feeling bad for him.
He should have stayed a villain
have a feeling they dumbed striker down in his return because they KNEW he was right about stolas and they couldn’t handle that cause stolas always has to be this poor royal hopeless romantic woobie even if he’s literally an abuser 😭😭
Stolas doesn't love Blitz. Neither have been shown to ever get intimate in any way until the horror of Full Moon, where everything got shoe horned aside for Cherub bs. Stolas doesnt know ANYTHING about Blitz despite him "being his light", and Blitz vice versa despite "being his heart". I hate the fact they made Mastermind some kind of "hes my true soulmate" as they sing to themselves, but yet they kniw nothing except the bare bones minimum of each other and one of them sexually assaulted the other for almost a year. Come ON show, we needed moments of the two GENUINELY falling in love, not the forced "theyre childhood lovers uwu" bs!
Blitz aside, Stolas also is selfish. Even after everythint, after dropping her to deal with Blitz ir Stella, to the point shes furious and telling him how she feels, all he can do is tell her how important she was to him and how he can explain WITHOUT EVER EXPLAINING IT. Stolas brings all of this shit onto himself for no reason. And even after the entire fight.....he still goes "She hates me" instead of "I hurt her". Hes still thinking about how hes affected, and not the teenage daughter whos probably sobbing into her pillow in her home. Stolas is a shitty character in and out
Fr. I genuinely wish this ship had stayed fanon. They’re literally trying to paint over everything that happened and sell the audience a lie. And the worst part is that people are buying it!
I genuinely hate the ‘childhood friends’ bullshit. Not only because it’s just shoehorned in there to sell them better but also because they can hardly be considered friends.
Blitz was bought by Stolas’ father and shoved into Stolas’ hands like an object. A singular day where he was sold to some rich kid to be treated like a toy then sent back home and never be seen each other again. Yet, for some reason we’re supposed to see it as romantic when Stolas starts treating him as an object years later????
It’s ridiculous, man and only further encapsulates the amount of power Stolas has over him. Stolitz fans underestimate just how big the power imbalance is between them. Hell, even in regards to education, Stolas towers over him. Stolas had a massive library with just about any book he could find. Blitz was raised in a tent with a dad that didn’t give two shits about him while forcing him to juggle in front of an audience to get him money. Mfer canonically can’t spell right, likely due to said lack of education, yet in the episode where Stolas gets injured (can’t remember the name) we see Stolas writing long paragraphs in spite of the backdrop we have that Blitz might not understand all of it.
I can’t believe this is the relationship we’re expected to root for. Stolas should have stayed a villain :(
No we didn’t need the ship stolitz. We needed actual good writing and a redemption arc for stolas
Weirdly they tried to make Stolas sympathetic that they did the opposite. I felt bad for Octavia more and I want to know more about Stella than anything they were doing with Stolas.
Man, I’m not even a regular watcher of this stupid thing and I’m pissed how he slowly took over what could have been the main plot of the show.
DHORKS Stolas was my favourite Stolas. He cares about Blitz enough to save the crew from being exposed, but the reason behind his action is still pretty selfish. "If you get in trouble, *I* get in trouble. We don't want that."
If the writers actually make him own up to his actions in a "Yeah, I know, I'm a horrible person, what are you gonna do about it?" way, that would make a lot more sense, instead of constantly trying to cover up his mistakes with more nonsensical excuses.
another thing about dhorks stolas is that sex was still endgame for him. immediately after saving Blitz he asks for sex in return. But now apparently it was "never just about sex", like lmfao what
I hate him. So much. "I didn't realize that you thought so low of me.." MAN YOU KEPT BELITTLING BLITZ
now, I know, blitz can be a bad man too, but Stolas, to me, is totally worse.
I could write a better father who still has a slightly distant relationship with his daughter and isn't abusive.
I've never had a dad.
Either Viviziepop has never had a dad and is a bad writer, or they're a bad writer.
The worst part is this is supposed to be a good-hearted demon who is supposed to be not classist and is human but then seen as bad individual, Viv wont do this but she needs to make her mind up, you cant just switch between one or the other whenever you feel like it especially for other individuals, countless other shows pick one and only make a change if it includes something like possession or falling down a path but it'll come back to good, if creators can atleast bring quality writing which Code Lyoko is the one show that does it then I'm more lenient on a small extra switch but constantly doing it which this show and Hazbin does then no, I'm not lenient.
SO REAL IM SO SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT STOLAS IS RIGHT??? LIKE WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW WITH UR EYES CLOSED?? 😭😭
Stolas was willing to be executed solely because of his love for Blitz, not thinking or caring about his daughter at all. Octavia is an afterthought. The fact he couldn't even control himself in the Loo Loo Land episode when Blitz was his bodyguard, and how when Octavia went to the mortal world, instead of caring about finding her, he willingly chose to stick with Blitz while he was on his tv show.
they have a really bad victim blaming problem where they normalize blaming blitz for everything when stolas basically forced blitz to give consent to his body so he wouldn't fall into poverty, and when stolas calls it "favours for favours" then later says blitz is wrong for thinking everything is about sex is so crazy to me
The relationship between Stolas and Blitzo is the prime example of Quid Pro Quo, Blitzo HAD to continuously sleep with Stolas if it meant keeping his buisness alive and I HEAVILY dislike how Stolitz is a pairing between an abuser and his victim framed as this cute end game relationship. And then there’s Octavia who, let’s be honest here, is pretty much just an accessory to Stolas’ story in one way or another like so far she hasn’t got a chance to be her own person outside her father…which is something that can be said about a lot of the female cast in Helluva. She had to sit back and watch/listen to her father sexually harrass the Imp he cheated with for a whole day but ooooooh he’s doing his best and loves her! He ignores his daughters efforts to bond and someone else has to apologies for him but ooooh he cares so much! He stated on live TV that he’s rather die than not be with his bootycall and ONLY thought about her after he lost his power but oooooh jee wiz he sure does love Via! Come on now…
It's really obvious that someone on the team (Probably Vivsy or another similar higher-up writer) got more attached to Stolas as the story went on. The story I came for went so off the rails; I miss seeing the hit jobs. I didn't really need to see this much of the history of the magic book maguffin.
Remember the Asmodeus song calling out Stolas about how he left his family for lust?
I mean, yeah, that was quite the dick-move of him, but then again, he never really wanted a family (at least not one like the one he ended up with).
When you hate on stolas it's either
1. You hate gay people (probably according to her or fandom)
2. "You don't know how hurt he feels and just hating because he chooses a guy and was gay over his own WIFE"
@@S-piesInDisguiseIt's even better when you're actually part of the LGBTQ and these type of fans call you queerphobic for criticizing a toxic ship.
I don't hate Stolas but I hate how he has repeatedly not realized that his negligence towards his daughter would show, up to the moment he'd throw his life away for someone he then realized wasn't at all ready to even come close to having a relationship with him, and just completely dismissing the fact that he has a daughter. Are we also forgetting his role as the prince of knowledge? Prophecies? I really would've wanted the show to explore that side also how in the hell did Octavia manage to beat Andrealphus? What power dynamics run down the Goetia family line? Who's stronger than who?
I'm not sure why we're getting more episodes of the main characters when really we should be exploring the other side characters for the variety, like I hope Fizz got angry at Ozzie for not standing up for Blitz and the hypocrisy even on Ozzie's side is insane. Or how about just an episode of Vias perspective? How SHE viewed the marriage between her dad and her mom? Why does she think it was ruined long before she even managed to realise they were never happy?
My theory - is that they were incredibly good at hiding it from Octavia (although I highly doubt it) or they WERE a happy family but seeing as Stolas felt no romantic interest for Stella she grew even more spiteful and cheating on her was the last straw for her, more at that in front of other royals.
Legit wtf is this writing :/ There could have been so much potential for the show to show character flaws, and how those flaws can express a character and how ghat character pitentially fixes them. But this just seems so unfixable, Octavia deserves better, geez.
I was totally expecting this to be on of those "he's a rich snobb" types of things but no youve got the most valid reasons to hate Stolas and I think he ruined the show to if he wasn't put into the story so much it would be better if they kept to the main original plot it would be amazing there's a reason the beest episodes are the one where they leave hell and kill targets
even if they explored blitz' past and the circus plot that would be so much better then stolitz at this point
Stolas' writing is such an interesting case, in more ways than one, but one thing I don't see mentioned much is how Stolas is essentially the love interest, but now the whole plot centers around him suddenly. The writers literally, actually, traded their narrative for a love plot.
The show is just Stolitz focused now except, I don't care about Stolas in the first place? He's just a creep the show wants us to feel bad for and love unapologetically, as if he's gone through any sort of character development at all. He isn't likeable and has only ever been the supposed love interest as well. Any other time, he's treated like a sex joke or a sob fest. So now the show just sucks for anyone who doesn't care about Stolas either, from what I can tell. They made Stolas the main character when most of us are here for Blitz' goofy ass. And unless the writing team gets ahold of themselves and sets their priorities straight for this show, they will just keep shooting themselves in the foot (when it comes to investment for Helluva). I'm hoping for the best, because this show has potential and a lot of creativity & care behind it, but I'm probably gonna watch it burn instead. Lol
Yeah, Stolas is the main character now and it just sucks for people who aren't interested in the romance drama
Stolas is a representation I have a problem with one of the show theme (that being discrimination when it comes to class and race). As they’ll just tell us and only show us here and there. But characters that are benefiting from the status quo are written like “hey guys look at these cool and fun and chill characters that’s so fun and quirky and you MUST love them”
Meanwhile characters like Strikers that has an interesting goal and backstory gets ruin by the writing.
A calm and collected villain with a very interesting and undertale goal and perspective gets turn into a joke villain that isn’t taken seriously and isn’t enjoyable to watch as he use to.
I Love hating Stolas because how are you going to let an Imp outfather you to a hellhound teen, and the imps dad even SOLD HIM FOR A DAY. Like damn you trynna make him so likable you forgot to add an actual balance, reminds me of usual generic banana. Too many people say it’s super good and stuff but it’s overall just, eh, texture and flavor is bland alone.
(Personal thing, I really don’t like the usual generic banana)
I feel so validated seeing people hate this stupid stupid owl man
As someone who has written multiple stories in the past, and is currently working on one, I can *understand* the direction they were trying to go with Stolas. Or at least, the direction they were going whether they knew it or (more than likely) not. He's a horrible parent because he was raised in a similar way (neglected, nobody cared about his feelings, etc.) and parents tend to raise children how they were raised unless they make a specific effort not to (which Stolas wouldn't exactly have time to figure out). And in S1, I admittedly liked his character, because he acted like how I'd imagine a prince of hell would act. Powerful, egotistical, borderline manipulative, yet they weren't afraid to show a more "human" side of him in how he cared for Octavia (at least when she was little, and the final scene of LLL).
I just wish they focused more on Stolas trying to go against how he was raised, and try to actually BOND with Octavia, because that'd make a much more interesting and heartfelt story than whatever back and forth "I love you, but actually I don't, but actually I do, and we're gonna keep doing this song and dance because the shipping fandom will go crazy over it" bullshit we actually got. And on top of that, making him a pitiful and depressed sack of feathers that completely contrasts ANYTHING we've seen from him so far. I get it, he has emotions, blah blah, but nobody (and I mean *nobody* ) sits down and goes "Oh boy! (Character) being depressed and worthless for 20 minutes? My favorite!"
Yeah! I liked him in season 1, but season 2 just keeps trying to force you to like and feel sorry for him to the point where I cringe everytime he starts crying because it's purely for emotional manipulation
This isnt my main reason for disliking the show, but it tues heavily into it. Because of the writers' inability to paint Stolas in a completely negative light, they've completely demonized Stella in the process and made her a one-dimensional antagonist (I do mean antagonst and not villain). She isn't completely blameless, since she did try and murder Stolas on several occasions, but those are things that I think are A. somewhat reasonable for finding out your husband is cheating, and B. decent aspects to her character, unlike all of the other things they had her do. While Stella may not be a good person, they could've done some positive things for her to show that while she despises Stolas, she does feel some sadness and regret, as well as does actually care about Octavia unlike Stolas, which for me would've also been a good way for the show to prove why Octavia would prefer staying with Stella than allowing Stolas to visit her.
Stella is an example of the writers demonizing a core character who could've been done properly had they not been hellbent on making Stolas always be the victim. I dont know why I care so much for her (I think I just like her design and feel empathy for her situation), but it is my own reason for disliking the show as it's continued
True, they even went and made Stolas say "I would feel bad if I had hurt you but we both know that's not the case", like, would he? I don't think so. He had Blitzø be a body guard he didn't need in a occasion that should be about spending time with Octavia and we never see him spending time with her afterwards, then he chooses his "relationship" with Blitzø over her. I doubt he'd feel bad for hurting Stella if she had actually loved him, all he cares about is Blitzø
Can we just get back into the business? I mean those humans characters trying to go to hell is far more interesting than watching a relationship fumble all the damn time
What makes me even more disgusted at Stolas is the fact that... HE WAS ALL OCTAVIA HAD. He totally wrecked the family, yes. But... Stella never engaged into being a mother figure, so Stolas was EVERYTHING to Via: her motherly figure and her father. So it makes it all extra horrible to see how much he leaves Via behind while living his "toxic whimsical yaoi" shit with Blitz (yeah i dont like Stolitz, toxic af)
AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ROOTING FOR THIS MF
Like... if he divorced Stella right away, thatd create a whole more interesting plot
HELL, IF STOLAS HAD SAT DOWN WITH VIA AND EXPLAINED TO HER THE ENTIRE ORDEAL, THINGS WOULD BE A LITTLE BETTER (not too better cuz he cheated/hid stuff/lied, idgaf if Stella is a snake and the marriage was arranged, hes still a pos)
Literally whenever apology tour came out me and my friend immediately did a 180, like..that one line where he claimed he never looked down on blitz changed me. Made smth click lolol.
Honestly Blitz and Stolas shows us why these 2 shouldn’t be together and see other people
My theory is that Viv had the whole first season planned out in her head with Stolas as a villain like in the Pilot episode. When she changed her mind she didn’t know how to twist the story to make him a better person, and this is the result.
I feel like most of my problems with this show would be if Stolas was held accountable instead of every little thing being explained away. Cause even with that there are still real consequences to his actions he should take responsibility for even with the best efforts of the writing. It sucks cause Stolas used to be my favourite character but the episode where he “broke up” with Blizo - after claiming (in song form) to finally understand his trauma and reservations about dating Stolas partially due to his actions in dehumanizing (de-impifying?) Blitzo in the relationship - gave that man a nanosecond to process Stolas’s confession when he NEVER apologized for what he did at the club, or do anything meaningful to change his behaviour so, to me- Why tf would Blitzo believe him? He didn’t treat Blitzo so highly he played into these socital roles by treating him like a sex toy cause he was to nervous to be rejected but Stolas being traumatized and Imps being secound class citizens is seen as what needs to be gotten over in Exes? Hmmm just like so frustrating cause I keep thinking “okay so now that Stolas has to live as a hated commoner, he’ll see how hard Blitzo had it and apologize for dangling his livelihood over his head for sex” but then nooooo he’s saaaaad and Blitzo helps him. I just like- so TIERED bro i don’t even care that they’re back together when it feels like nothing got done. I don’t even think the venture had the impact of “he stood up for Blitzo” cause OKAY WHYYY did he have to lie? The plan was so dummmb? Like Stolas could’ve just been like yeah I gave him the book because I love him. And the blame would still be on Stolas? Not like ooooo this imo is pathetic and trash I have a spooky plan that I’ll never explain but it involved giving this creature a book. I guess maybe then imo kind wouldn’t hate him as much? But as of now it’s not like they’re doing much with that plot bit. Idk I’m not a writer but got DAMN I’m sick of this grandpa. And of course the typical “then don’t watch” which is fair, but I really loved this show so it is disappointing to feel that love slip away
I can completely understand why Octavia would slowly lose her faith in her insensitive neglectful father, he and Stella might have never been in love but Stolas still choose to cheat on her and with that he cheated on the very family he and Stella tried to provide for their daughter.
Honestly this is sort of a controversial take, But Stolitz is Really starting to become the new “Catradora”. Or even the toxic depths of BakuDeku 💀💀
Not even. Catradora at least had narrative backing to it and interesting parallels/foils to hold it up, even if Catra and Adora didn't have all that much chemistry. It's less of a ship and more of a character study between foils. Catradora shows the characters in good and bad lighting, where Adora feels guilt for Catra and Catra spirals. Catra has to come to terms with her reprehensible actions and suffer the consequences before being accepted into the main group.
With Stolitz, the narrative does backflips to justify it, they have no chemistry, and Stolas is portrayed as the 'good guy' without admitting his flaws.
Essentially, Catradora is written for the plot, and the plot is written for Stolitz.
No, because you're so right. I say it all the time that I don't like Bakudeku and people always jump me for it. The thing is, if you bully someone relentlessly and ruthlessly for FOURTEEN YEARS OF THEIR LIFE AND TELL THEM TO KYS for something out of their control and don't change until like 6 months later IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR, and there only like two months of peaceful development. Yeah, that's toxic and bakugo is STILL an asshole no matter how good is "arc" is because HES STILL A JACKASS BULLY WITH NO RESPECT. And THATS how I feel about Stolis. Because it feels like Viz is pulling an author of MHA with a "oh, I didn't mean to write that, can we just ignore it?" NO DUDE, it's part of the character now. You can't just back track after you realize you made the character such a self absorbed prick and that's what it feels like Viz is trying to do. That she wrote herself in a narrative corner and can't write herself out of it so she just decides to erase what she wrote despite that fact you can't do that. It's not "character development", its lazy writing and I'm sick of people mistaking it for impressive Zuko like redemption arcs when its really just the authors taking their white out to their boards. Fact is, Viz and horikoshi are both bad writers in the sense they refuse to roll with their decisions. When you publish a work, you can't just go " oh, that's icky, oh no I don't wanna do that, oh I can't have that, oh ew." You have to stick to what you published or you end up with a mess.
@@kimchi._.2234 Yes! Bakugou and Stolas are both Creators pets, and Viziepop and Horokoshi seemed Intent on somehow having them avoid pure consequences of their actions with having the characters and the world bend around them to feel like the victims
And i think that "Shooting stars" episode shouldn't exist at all because conflict in it doesn't make any sense. When agents captured I.M.P Stolas came into human world without his book with ease. So that make conflict of the "Shooting stars" episode worse because it seems like he's ready to work/make an effort to save his side piece, but can't do the same for his daughter.
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Fr, because he was straight up tracking Blitz. He sensed where he was, that he was about to die, and saved him at the last moment by controlling the people threatening him, yet he couldn't specifically track his own daughter? He had no idea where she was or what she was doing, but he can do that exact thing for Blitz. Come on...
And there people hate Octavia for being so "childish"
I can never understand those who call Stolas a good father
- Stolas was supposed to spend time with Octavia in the Loo Loo Land episode but he also called Blitzø for no reason to flirt with him, and we saw at the end of the episode that he can protect himself, so who do you think you are? You went to spend time with your daughter but in the middle of the episode he was interested in Blitzø and always threw Via aside, she is your DAUGHTER, you should care more about her than the love of your life even if her mother is a terrible person
- Stolas made two promises to Via and broke both of them, in the episode Seeing Stars he was going to go see the stars with her but he decided to spend his time yelling at Stella, they sent Loona to look for Via while Via was alone in the whole world and Stolas did stupid things with Blitzø when he should have cared about Via, are you serious? YOUR DAUGHTER is missing, and his second promise, the promise he made in Loo Loo land "I will never leave you for him", he did not keep his promise, in Mastermind he was completely ready to be executed for Blitzø and did not even think about Via, think about Via's psychology if he had really died, her father ended his life for an imp she never knew and left her alone with her mother and uncle who did not care about her
- Stolas was talking about Blitzø in a sexual way in front of his underage daughter whenever he wanted, as we saw in Loo Loo Land, so bro your daughter doesn't have to hear that? Look at it from Via's perspective, both of her parents hate each other and her father is sexually talked in front of her about the imp he cheated on her mother with, and in Masternind he is ready to be executed for Blitzø
Stolas is a completely bad father, yes he tries but never succeeds, he doesn't keep his promises and his actions are actions that will deeply affect Via, he prefers to yell at Stella instead of spending time with his daughter, then why did you say in the Circus episode that the only reason you put up with this marriage is because of your daughter? It's completely illogical, if that was the case you would spend time with Via and not yell at Stella for no reason, Stolas is being infantilized by both the fandom and the writers, he ignores his own mistakes and portrays himself as a victim, you are a grown adult and you should be able to realize your own mistakes.
Honestly, stolas was my second favorite character of the show, but at this point... I just like him because of how pretty his design is.. And that to let myself consume some future coming stolitz moments that aren't even cute anymore because I have no other show to be obssesed with...
thats the MAIN thing i hear from Stolas lovers.... hes pretty.... thats their core attachment to him. They like that hes sassy or that hes "autistic coded" (thats fine idc headcanons are always just fun), and absolutely 99% of them I've met will implode if you point out anything not-positive hes done or said, or even just discuss how his loved ones are impacted by him....
"hes sooo pretty" is the main thing they talk about :T
@brigade7678 Boi, i just wanted to say my opinion... :'D obviously i have more stuff to say about him, but at this point i just his character writing is just a little messy so.... :') And especially since for some reason the shows' characters only just try and focus on making them as attractive as possible, for example verosika, striker and lucifer.. I just thought "You know what, fuck it.. he is just pretty." Because i have literally no words now... Xd :')
@wildlioness8345 oh no I apologize, I wasn't dissing your comment at all! I appreciated the honesty to it. The fans I was referencing refuse to admit it and defend him as flawless. Sorry it came across as me sniping at you! ^^
@@brigade7678 No no is ok, i completely understand haha. I would be frustrated honestly since there are others who can't even see an issue with some of the character writting... :') And honestly blitz also has a little bit of issue as well and some of the characters, but i think stolas got it worse? I just wished they wrote him better and then maybe i will like stolas again... :')
Funny how they tried to put all the blame on blitz but ended up making stolas look even worse, like I always liked blitz's character because to me the writing always showed him for what he was, but stolas oh man, i cant stand him i thought he was just fine when they portrayed him as a shallow sex obsessed prick but then they tried to make him a "victim" and i couldn't stand to see him anymore its one of the reasons why I dropped it in season 2.