A little note that might need to be investigated, I believe Safariland has two different screw heights depending on the holster you buy. I believe the duty holsters are drilled and tapped lower on the holster body (making it sit higher on the mount) than the military/ tactical line of holsters being drilled towards the top (making it sit lower on the mount like you prefer). Something ive noticed looking at my 6354DO which was their military line compared to the 6360RDS and my old 6280 which are duty line. Also, Safariland has literature explaining their military/ tactical line not really designed for LE retention needs based on a 140psi breakaway jump rating. Hope this information helps navigating the already cryptic Safariland product line.
I noticed the ride height difference as well. The 6354DO and 6384rds have mounting holes that set the holsters lower than my 6354rds and 6360rds holsters. It's the difference between needing a Mid-ride or Low-ride UBL on my body and belt. I will double check the holster numbers and edit when I can put hands on the holsters. Safarilands naming system doesn't lend any favors to my memory. Edit: 6354DO and 6384rds holsters are the same "military hole pattern" 6354RDS, 6360RDS and 6390RDS have "police hole pattern" which are lower and canted rearward making the holster ride higher and tilted forward. Side note: mounting the "police hole pattern" holsters on the thumb shield holes as shown in the video puts the holster in the same orientation as the "military hole pattern". Hope that is helpful to someone.
I had to mount my 6390rds like you do after switching from the 6354 DO. The holes are unfortunately in different parts on the two holsters and I didn’t like how high it rode on my hip after having the 6394 for so long.
Dude, I love all your little gear hacks. They're always so simple and clever, like that pouch/QLS thing. Might have to try that one myself. Did you just cut holes for the screws to go through?
While this vid cost me more money, moving my ALS from a UBL to a belt line mount is life changing. Always ran the UBL which dug into my leg a lot, loving the higher mount. Centrifuge NCP on the way to correct cant. Thanks 🤙🏻
A lot of people aren't aware of this about the Safariland ALS holsters, but I discovered it by buying both versions when I was a police officer. They make both a Duty and "Concealment" version (it doesn't conceal worth a shit but bear with me) of the ALS holsters. The concealment version comes with a paddle and 567BL belt loop that rides really close to the body. The only difference between the two is the 3 hole mounting is up high on the holster instead of down low like on the duty model, and they are quite a bit cheaper to buy as well. For instance, the 6378RDS concealment model is under $100. It would pair really well with the QLS and the 6072UBL that Jon is using in pretty much the same way without sacrificing the 3rd screw hole. I actually see a lot of guys run the concealment version on the mid ride UBL and it winds up riding stupid low because they didn't realize it had a different mount point than the duty holsters they are seeing on TH-cam with the leg strap. If you can make sense of Safariland's confusing catalog of parts you can come up with a perfect setup.
Also worth mentioning that the 7TS series that are made of Safariland's injection molded plastic they are trying out have both sets of mounting holes on both models. Opinions vary on those, some like it and some think it feels cheap.
Nice. I messed around with building the “perfect” belt setup forever until I finally landed on two. One is a HSGI Slim that I have fully kitted out and the other is a Blue Alpha inner/outer that is more slick. Both have the Safariland QLS mid system so I can use the same holster. It’s worked well for me in various classes and training. I know the HSGI padded grippy type belts have fallen out of favor recently but I like to be able to throw it on quickly and not mess with a inner Velcro belt. The slim version is nice as it’s not as tall/wide/bulky as the original belts.
I am guilty of it🤣🇺🇸 Love how video was posted 3 min ago and has 7 likes…..but the video is 28 min long🇺🇸🤣 Thanks for all the awesome information past, present, and FUTURE🇺🇸✊️
man, I like good kit (which translates into high $$), but GBRS is just ridiculous w/their pricing; if that price tag was for something truly innovative or otherwise "that damn good", then ok... but for what it is, $260 is simply a money grab. Not saying it sucks, but it's just not that good. Same thing w:their slings.
@@DevilFrog I agree it’s a little on the pricey side but it’s only 30-40$ more than a ferro bison and you get the inner belt cover which turns it into an edc belt so it’s a 2 in 1 deal. It’s definitely not for everyone but it’s a very lightweight and thin but stiff belt. I have one of their slings and it’s not anything innovative or really different but I think it’s a high quality piece of gear and it’s also half the price of some other well known brands. I run a ton of other slings like lunar concepts, ferro, vickers, forward control and they really all do the same thing. I appreciate the comment, I always enjoy hearing others ideas and experiences with kit
@@shawnpickering3084 Maybe I should take a second gander at it and reconsider; I'm used to a stiffer belt w/a bit more structure, and this one has been reviewed as being a bit too loose (even w/the inner belt). How has it worked for you in comparison to the others which you may have (I have HSGI and SafeLife... my loadout would be that of a duty/patrol belt). Has the "Inversed" soft velcro held up well? Based on their chosen mollie attachment design, do the attachments stay on there tight and snug, or do they sag a bit?
@@DevilFrog I’ve used the safe life and the kore essentials duty/tactical belts which I do like but I prefer the gbrs. It’s much slimmer. It feels more like a regular belt than a “battle belt” in terms of the profile which is a good thing, very high speed low drag type belt. I don’t find any of my stuff sagging but I don’t run a ton on my belt, just double pistol pouch single rifle, holster and med kit. I run a true north holster adapter and a 6390rds safariland, it stays put in the Tigris molle slots. I actually like the reversed Velcro because if you don’t line the belt up perfect it doesn’t scratch you at all. Again I think there’s value in being able to run the belt as an everyday belt and just tear off the cover when you get to the range and throw the actual duty/range setup on. Like I said everyone likes different shit but give it a second look you might actually end up liking it
@@KineticConsulting where can we purchase or signup for launch notification? Your website or flatline? Cause there currently isn’t anything up and I’m so pumped! Great design brother 👍🏻
@@KineticConsulting it's been 6 mos... can you name that prototype yet? I've been searching like a madman for it w/no luck; I need that in my life right now. 🙏
how are the retention on the DM pistol mag pouches? are they pretty snug? i have the HSP pistol mag pouches but they hold onto my staccato mags way too tight. thought they would be broken in by now.
@@KineticConsulting no issues with mags falling out during quick movements? My staccato mags would occasionally pop out when I was using my Esstac KYWI
Why is copy-catting so frowned upon? If you take good information like you put out in all your gear videos a person has the chance to try concepts and either utilize or modify as necessary for their own uses. I took one of my old belt and PC systems and created a dedicated "copy-cat rig" (T&E rig if I want to sound fancy) where I can try everyone's set up without changing my dedicated duty rig to develop a better understanding of what the most ideal set up is for me and my own particular use case. I will definitely be trying out the qls fork on a pouch and the mount of your holster since as sparda1123 commented the hole locations and cant are different across the lines of safariland holsters. Definitely need a video dedicated to that topic since their number system is useful as long as you have the information on their differences. Edit: I took a minute to fondle my holsters (not that I needed an excuse just nice to have one when the miss catches you). The 6354DO and 6384RDS holsters are the same "military hole pattern" The 6354RDS, 6360RDS and 6390RDS have "police hole pattern" which are lower and canted rearward making the holster ride higher and tilted forward. Side note: mounting the "police hole pattern" holsters on the thumb shield holes as shown in the video puts the holster in the same orientation as the "military hole pattern". Yes I have a problem but Holsters Anonymous is for quitters.. Hope that is helpful to someone.
Nice video, (I think) tpg black owner went to jail for relabeling plates for gov contracts. Take with a huge grain of salt and do your own research. Thanks for the video!
Love the setup but the belts be so expensive, my $30 molle load belt does all the same stuff I’m actually pretty impressed how useful it is, I bought it from a veteran owned Amazon company v nice rollercoaster buckle
A little note that might need to be investigated, I believe Safariland has two different screw heights depending on the holster you buy. I believe the duty holsters are drilled and tapped lower on the holster body (making it sit higher on the mount) than the military/ tactical line of holsters being drilled towards the top (making it sit lower on the mount like you prefer). Something ive noticed looking at my 6354DO which was their military line compared to the 6360RDS and my old 6280 which are duty line. Also, Safariland has literature explaining their military/ tactical line not really designed for LE retention needs based on a 140psi breakaway jump rating. Hope this information helps navigating the already cryptic Safariland product line.
I noticed the ride height difference as well. The 6354DO and 6384rds have mounting holes that set the holsters lower than my 6354rds and 6360rds holsters. It's the difference between needing a Mid-ride or Low-ride UBL on my body and belt.
I will double check the holster numbers and edit when I can put hands on the holsters. Safarilands naming system doesn't lend any favors to my memory.
Edit: 6354DO and 6384rds holsters are the same "military hole pattern"
6354RDS, 6360RDS and 6390RDS have "police hole pattern" which are lower and canted rearward making the holster ride higher and tilted forward.
Side note: mounting the "police hole pattern" holsters on the thumb shield holes as shown in the video puts the holster in the same orientation as the "military hole pattern". Hope that is helpful to someone.
"Don't get sentimental with your equipment" Hits hard man...
Man, so many little hacks that I'd never think of. Appreciate this!
I did the zip tie trick for the holster based on your last video. It is something super simple but incredibly effective.
That pouch qls adapter idea is genius. Thanks for that.
That dump pouch rocks!! Definitely going to get a few!
NICE dump pouch design 👍!...
after I just bought a new BFG mini-dump pouch 😖.
NCP & Nub Mod are a must! I wish TPG was still around. The guys there were the best!
I had to mount my 6390rds like you do after switching from the 6354 DO. The holes are unfortunately in different parts on the two holsters and I didn’t like how high it rode on my hip after having the 6394 for so long.
Really looking forward to the dump pouch!
Dude, I love all your little gear hacks. They're always so simple and clever, like that pouch/QLS thing. Might have to try that one myself. Did you just cut holes for the screws to go through?
Burned them in with a soldering iron
@@KineticConsulting Thanks. That dump pouch looks awesome too btw. I'm def getting one to free up some space on my range belt.
Chris Sizelove is an awesome dude.
Took a class a while back where he was an instructor. GREAT guy. Would gladly sign up for more with him.
While this vid cost me more money, moving my ALS from a UBL to a belt line mount is life changing. Always ran the UBL which dug into my leg a lot, loving the higher mount. Centrifuge NCP on the way to correct cant. Thanks 🤙🏻
Like that now I do t have to cut up a blue force gear dump pouch now.
A lot of people aren't aware of this about the Safariland ALS holsters, but I discovered it by buying both versions when I was a police officer. They make both a Duty and "Concealment" version (it doesn't conceal worth a shit but bear with me) of the ALS holsters. The concealment version comes with a paddle and 567BL belt loop that rides really close to the body. The only difference between the two is the 3 hole mounting is up high on the holster instead of down low like on the duty model, and they are quite a bit cheaper to buy as well. For instance, the 6378RDS concealment model is under $100. It would pair really well with the QLS and the 6072UBL that Jon is using in pretty much the same way without sacrificing the 3rd screw hole. I actually see a lot of guys run the concealment version on the mid ride UBL and it winds up riding stupid low because they didn't realize it had a different mount point than the duty holsters they are seeing on TH-cam with the leg strap. If you can make sense of Safariland's confusing catalog of parts you can come up with a perfect setup.
Also worth mentioning that the 7TS series that are made of Safariland's injection molded plastic they are trying out have both sets of mounting holes on both models. Opinions vary on those, some like it and some think it feels cheap.
Good to know. Thanks man
that's cool man i was about to order the other dump pouch and mod it the way u did !!!
Nice. I messed around with building the “perfect” belt setup forever until I finally landed on two. One is a HSGI Slim that I have fully kitted out and the other is a Blue Alpha inner/outer that is more slick. Both have the Safariland QLS mid system so I can use the same holster. It’s worked well for me in various classes and training. I know the HSGI padded grippy type belts have fallen out of favor recently but I like to be able to throw it on quickly and not mess with a inner Velcro belt. The slim version is nice as it’s not as tall/wide/bulky as the original belts.
Love the multi-purpose pouch, definitely copying your style there.
You maintain excellent quality on your content. Good luck on the dump pouch.
RLTW/DOL
I am guilty of it🤣🇺🇸
Love how video was posted 3 min ago and has 7 likes…..but the video is 28 min long🇺🇸🤣
Thanks for all the awesome information past, present, and FUTURE🇺🇸✊️
Have you looked into the gbrs group belt? I have it and it’s fantastic, maybe give it a look👍
I've seen it but not yet in person
man, I like good kit (which translates into high $$), but GBRS is just ridiculous w/their pricing; if that price tag was for something truly innovative or otherwise "that damn good", then ok... but for what it is, $260 is simply a money grab. Not saying it sucks, but it's just not that good. Same thing w:their slings.
@@DevilFrog I agree it’s a little on the pricey side but it’s only 30-40$ more than a ferro bison and you get the inner belt cover which turns it into an edc belt so it’s a 2 in 1 deal. It’s definitely not for everyone but it’s a very lightweight and thin but stiff belt. I have one of their slings and it’s not anything innovative or really different but I think it’s a high quality piece of gear and it’s also half the price of some other well known brands. I run a ton of other slings like lunar concepts, ferro, vickers, forward control and they really all do the same thing. I appreciate the comment, I always enjoy hearing others ideas and experiences with kit
@@shawnpickering3084 Maybe I should take a second gander at it and reconsider; I'm used to a stiffer belt w/a bit more structure, and this one has been reviewed as being a bit too loose (even w/the inner belt). How has it worked for you in comparison to the others which you may have (I have HSGI and SafeLife... my loadout would be that of a duty/patrol belt). Has the "Inversed" soft velcro held up well? Based on their chosen mollie attachment design, do the attachments stay on there tight and snug, or do they sag a bit?
@@DevilFrog I’ve used the safe life and the kore essentials duty/tactical belts which I do like but I prefer the gbrs. It’s much slimmer. It feels more like a regular belt than a “battle belt” in terms of the profile which is a good thing, very high speed low drag type belt. I don’t find any of my stuff sagging but I don’t run a ton on my belt, just double pistol pouch single rifle, holster and med kit. I run a true north holster adapter and a 6390rds safariland, it stays put in the Tigris molle slots. I actually like the reversed Velcro because if you don’t line the belt up perfect it doesn’t scratch you at all. Again I think there’s value in being able to run the belt as an everyday belt and just tear off the cover when you get to the range and throw the actual duty/range setup on. Like I said everyone likes different shit but give it a second look you might actually end up liking it
They sell covers for those TQ holders, but idk how it’ll affect the holster and your draw.
I have the exact same holster and tq holder with the flap and have no issues with it. It doesn't affect my draw at all.
Nice work. I definitely got a few ideas from your video. Thank you. Well thought out and perfect exaction.
The eleven 10 gear TQ soft cover works well with their carrier. It’s just a bulky set up
I'll take a look
damn nice blue force gear med pouch. really wish they can just release it :")
It's coming man
Nice dump pouch, will you guys ship to Europe? What is the capacity in liters, will 2 x 100rnd empty PKM belts fit?
We aren't selling to Europe yet. Not sure if we will. Maybe 1x 100 Rd belt will fit but I've yet to try that
Where can I preorder or prepare for the dump pouch release?
This is the way
12:04 is how he described my handshake when met
18:23 for ghost footage 😳😳😳😱
Lol
Ranger green dump pouch??
Yep, Friday all 5 colors will be released.
@@KineticConsulting where can we purchase or signup for launch notification? Your website or flatline? Cause there currently isn’t anything up and I’m so pumped! Great design brother 👍🏻
@@vitosalvaggio1805 I have a newsletter that will go out so make sure you're on that.
Excellent video, tons of good info. Thank you.
Where are the optic adjustment tools in your pouch available from? Thanks
Does the DM rifle pouch stretch enough to double as a radio holster? for a normal size police radio?
who makes that tegris adapter panel thing on the other holster? thanks!
@Florida Man HVACR that was my first guess lol but i couldnt find anything on their website
It's a prototype from a different company. May be available soon
@@KineticConsulting it's been 6 mos... can you name that prototype yet? I've been searching like a madman for it w/no luck; I need that in my life right now. 🙏
@@DevilFrog it's from these guys. Still not available though. instagram.com/dirusignis?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Where did you get the shirt??? Need one! Thanks for the belt info.
It was a gift. No idea where they got it
based on what you saw of the new belt with improvements, are you going to switch to it?
Would you have any belt suggestions if we dont wear em through pant loops but rather over top of clothing kind of like the hsgi padded belts.
Thanks.
Actually all of these can work that way. Use these as inner padding th-cam.com/video/R5BHDW-4Uwc/w-d-xo.html
I don’t like small children hugging my leg either....
great video ... I didn’t see a cookie 🍪 dispenser
how are the retention on the DM pistol mag pouches? are they pretty snug? i have the HSP pistol mag pouches but they hold onto my staccato mags way too tight. thought they would be broken in by now.
They are pretty snug but in a good way in my opinion. They aren't as much as my hsp ones.
@@KineticConsulting no issues with mags falling out during quick movements? My staccato mags would occasionally pop out when I was using my Esstac KYWI
@@RICEY702 I did with the shorter versions. I use the 4in ones to avoid that
What is the name of the pouch on your 2 o clock?
Nit sure it's from velocity systems
@@KineticConsulting ty
Is that one of the new BFG med kits @1737 ?
Yes
Who makes the tegris wrap/ mount for the TQ on the other holster?
ARO produces it. Launching Soon.
Regarding the DM rifle mag pouches, what pouch height do you prefer?
Thanks.
4in
What belt is used for load bearing in your helicopter operations?
The CHLK from blue force gear
@@KineticConsulting thank you, love the content man, keep it up; I hope to attend a class sometime soon.
Why is copy-catting so frowned upon?
If you take good information like you put out in all your gear videos a person has the chance to try concepts and either utilize or modify as necessary for their own uses.
I took one of my old belt and PC systems and created a dedicated "copy-cat rig" (T&E rig if I want to sound fancy) where I can try everyone's set up without changing my dedicated duty rig to develop a better understanding of what the most ideal set up is for me and my own particular use case.
I will definitely be trying out the qls fork on a pouch and the mount of your holster since as sparda1123 commented the hole locations and cant are different across the lines of safariland holsters. Definitely need a video dedicated to that topic since their number system is useful as long as you have the information on their differences.
Edit: I took a minute to fondle my holsters (not that I needed an excuse just nice to have one when the miss catches you).
The 6354DO and 6384RDS holsters are the same "military hole pattern"
The 6354RDS, 6360RDS and 6390RDS have "police hole pattern" which are lower and canted rearward making the holster ride higher and tilted forward.
Side note: mounting the "police hole pattern" holsters on the thumb shield holes as shown in the video puts the holster in the same orientation as the "military hole pattern".
Yes I have a problem but Holsters Anonymous is for quitters..
Hope that is helpful to someone.
What depth do prefer for the dm mag pouches?
4in
@@KineticConsulting thanks. Pumped for the dump pouch
How would go about attaching the Jtactical TQ holder to the holster. The TQ pouch comes with 2 short strips of velcro.
When I do it I'll show you guys.
I am definatly picking up that dump pounch and stealing your qls idea
is this blue force chlk belt?
Nope, I say it in the video. It's from AXL
Nice video, (I think) tpg black owner went to jail for relabeling plates for gov contracts. Take with a huge grain of salt and do your own research.
Thanks for the video!
I believe you're right
Love the setup but the belts be so expensive, my $30 molle load belt does all the same stuff I’m actually pretty impressed how useful it is, I bought it from a veteran owned Amazon company v nice rollercoaster buckle
Link?
Anyone know what that Tourniquet holder on the holsters is called. Never mind lol