This is such a relevant and powerful topic. So glad to see you tackling the subject of digital privacy. "Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds.” Same goes for big tech companies. Count me in on the Kickstarter!
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 VPN's are not that private. You are sharing your data with a private company rather than an ISP or big tech. Who knows who are behind those private companies. Might as well be decoys set up by big tech or the big brother. Either way....
If a total stranger walked up to you and asked "Where are going?" You might reply with "It's none of your business." Today, your privacy is literally someone's business. You willfully give strangers all your information and they sell it to everyone who wants it!
You are correct, but in order for your example to be precise, the "stranger" in your example is not just a stranger. It's a celebrity. Google, Facebook and others are well known. In your example "stranger" should be Lady Gaga or Leonardo di Caprio.
I agree with everything you said. I am an idiot though, and have a bunch of questions on how this app solves the problem that many of the devices themselves we are using are constantly spying on us, and that most people still use platforms that collect their data. I think this would make for a fun discussion.
Glad to see a relatively big youtuber getting into the personal privacy realm. Hopefully 4Privacy doesn't see too many compromises on its core mission as time wears on
I agree with you but it's a terrible analogy. It's more like if a total stranger, with a police background check, came up to you and offered $1000 but with a very good, very reasonable explanation. Most people would take the money, gladly, not stopping to think about the small print. The services that companies like Google/Android and Apple offer used to be worth thousands and thousands of dollars, prior to the software revolution they ushered in. Unfortunately, there's a good reason why most people ignore the privacy issue, even though they should not.
Yes, that's true. However, citizens must realize how this government is suppose to work and the we can have laws enacted to fix our privacy problems. The skepticism that people have of the government comes from the fact that citizens have forgotten that they can hold the government accountable, but only if they have the will and put forth the effort to do so. This to say that dealing with the government can be discouraging, but we CAN and MUST do our diligence to make sure the government is a tool for the people and NOT against the people. Yes, we're losing our privacy, but we can work to regain it.
ohhh nooo Destin, you're going to lose quite a few social credit points for making such content :D J/k this is great, its amazing how many people I know who tow the "if you have nothing to hide" argument.
It's been said many times: Sacrificing privacy because you have nothing to hide is the same as sacrificing freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.
If you believe you have nothing to hide, they'll just make something up. Like in Australia, the police there now have the right to delete, alter and add to(plant) electronic information of Australians. Meaning they're allowed to plant incriminating evidence(like CP)and then arrested you for it. No I'm not Joking.
@@ysomadbeats If everyone's social media was public (accessible, as in text messages and whatnot), there would be a LOT less trust in people with power and your friends. What you do in private is NOT what you want others to know about you. The government likes accessing our data, yet they won't let us access theirs (the ones that should be public anyway, obviously some things need to be kept private). The first step is transparency. No one likes legal jargon. No one likes "secretly implying another thing." For instance, a company may say, "This data won't be tied to you once you delete it," but what does that even mean? For all we know, the public will just see "deleted," instead of the username, but the company can still hold backups or your IP. The second step is to make sure that those words stay true. If it is broken, no more slap on the wrist. People (corporations) can get away with breaking the law like it's nothing, yet people (humans) can get their literal lives ruined.
so you know what angers me? the: "but i have nothing to hide so why does it matter" argument. Repeatedly thorough out history changes in power / government have resulted in people who "had nothing to hide" suffering due to differences of opinion. there is no reason to allow privacy to be eroded away under any of the false pretense's they give.
Next time someone tells you that ask them if they'll give you their phone so you can go through all their emails, messages, and photos. I bet they won't.
Absolutely! The argument "I don't need privacy because i've got nothing to hide" is just as ridiculous as "I don't need freedom of speech because i've got nothing to say"
@@adam8628 gov doesn't have the right, nor will they sell your data if they do get hold of it. We know, from the Edward Snowden case, that agencies like, NSA, FBI, don't need to go to court to get permission to spy on you, that is how they ended up spying 2/3 of the US, anyone even remotely linked to anything would be put on the watchlist. I'm sure, it's 3/3 now since it's become much easier to passively spy on people.
Indeed you are the product! Some of his payment is enjoyment from knowing people enjoy it, possibly some from advertising (to you) and some from sponsors who pay because you see him mention their products.
Even if you pay for something like TH-cam Premium it isn't a privacy subscription, its a ad revenue replacement subscription. Google still hoovers up the data of TH-cam Premium subscribers in order to add to their digital advertising portfolio and sell them ads on other platforms. So you can pay and still be the product.
You still have to take a huge leap of faith in trusting that the "encryption" methods, who were made by super geeks and engineers, really found a way on the OSI model to really keep and end to end connection private on a platform made by the same people you are trying to keep your info private from. So how can you understand this process better ? Go read a bunch of certification books made by people who understand only how to use the backbone that was already provided for them. They are already 10 steps ahead of any game being played over a TCP/IP connection
Really? Don't forget to mention to your student that anyone who takes a common knowledge, exagerate it's to fit the narrative to sell a (future) product, has shady motives at best.
This video is less about convincing people to respect their privacy than it is about informing people of the extent to which their privacy is compromised.
Let's not forget the fact that privacy isn't seen as a given or as a basic right or expectation, it's seen as something trendy and marketable. Remember the Freedom Phone?
Destin - pure brilliance that you chose this topic. Privacy is of big concern right now - it's no surprise that Facebook is changing its name. I'll be joining that kickstarter immediately.
It’s not actually changing it’s name. Just the name of the holder of all the companies. So instead of Facebook owning Instagram it’ll be “insert name here”
This seems so fundamental that I would never even imagine that it needs to be said. Then again, I don't know that the average person thinks "cloud" means
The Human Right to Privacy shouldn’t even be a Matter of Debate especially in a place that call itself the “Land of the Free” I really appreciate the effort you’re putting in to keep our Data and Privacy Safe!!
The fact that you sensed it was a good idea to make this video shows that people are finally catching on. It boggles the mind how people have been so blind to this for 20+ years. It’s not like we haven’t had people screaming about this issue the whole time.
I think difference is Destin isn't screaming. Metaphorically of course. People will complain about privacy all day without real explanations or understandings of what's going on. Destin explained and presented sources for how this stuff is used to negatively affect people.
@@randallstokes3684 his explanation is excellent but it barely scratched the surface. Endless technical details of how this has been working are plentiful online.
@@randomblock1_ isn’t is more than a password manager? The way I understood it was that we would encrypt the data we store on the cloud. This would obviously mean you would have to figure out how to handle the public data which simplest would be unencrypted
As a Communications Specialist with 25 + years of expierence I seen this coming many many years ago & have spoken about it often. Your explanation nailed it in simple terms for the many, thank you Destin.
Destin did a great job of explaining how. And I do trust him, but I wasn't sold in the explanation of why? Please speak more regarding the stance "I have nothing to hide"
@@samsplaying "I have nothing to hide" goes out the window when the possibility of literally anyone being able to have access to your PHI or other personal data via data leaks.... obviously we need ways to track and find criminals and other wrongdoers, but the answer isn't to just let every bit of your life accessible to nearly everyone, because it comes with many problems. Identity theft is another big threat that has increased heavily due to the sheer amount of private information that is available to many now.
One thing that is being missed here... the only reason these services are free and as available / advanced as they are is because they are making money off the data. If the data stops being provided, there is no reason to provide these services for free, and they go back to charging for everything or removing functionality. Also, while I'm not a big fan of how most big data is used, there is a LOT of massively beneficial items gained from sharing this data anonymously and for free. Things like traffic reporting, GPS, targeted advertising to provide revenue to content creators, smart home technology... all this is only possible due to this data sharing and monetization that is occurring now.
“Dad, would the government ever implement a program to constantly monitor people in the homes?” “Now Son, where would they get the resources to do that?” My son laughed, I laughed, Alexa laughed.
I was like this. I thought, the alexa is only listening for key words, it would take too much bandwidth to send everything we are saying in the house. Then Amazon employees stated that they can listen to everything being said inside the house.
As a 23 year old, the explanation of how the US changed after 9/11 was phenomenal. I knew everything changed, but the explanation of "This is how the country was thinking back then" and the self-awareness to say "maybe we were thinking too much with emotion" was incredible to hear
@@cbxk1xg end to end encryption and open source technology in the name of secure privacy as a scam? By a well known, respected and connected TH-camr who is very transparent about what he does? What issue do you see here?
I'd recommend Citizenfour more. It is a documentary created by a journalist that was with Snowden in Hongkong. It presents all the events that happened and contains real footage with the actual real people and not just hollywood actors.
By saying "I dont care I dont have nothing to hide" and by clicking "I agree" non stop for last 15 years, we gave them the tools. Politics is supposed to stop that but in its actual form (and have been for a long while), political systems became so corrupt that the swiss cheese is now more holes than cheese. I'm an actual frog (french canadian lol) and I'm boiling. I have chronic long covid right now and was looking for some content that really interests me and stumbled on your channel. Your work really does me wonders as with long covid, the mental state is as important if not more than the physical side. You are making a big positive impact on my life right now and I'm thankful for it. Lots of love to you my friend.
This whole video I was waiting for the "This video is sponsored by Express/NordVPN" and the longer I watched, the deeper Destin explained, the more I realized he actually cares, and is trying to MAKE a solution. Wonderful video.
You just give away all or some of your privacy not only to endpoints but also to MITM, your vpn provider. Instead of setting up your very own vpn. That doesnt solve anything anyway.
I'm happy to support this effort, and I think it's an important one. However, I hope you address the elephant in the room when it comes to the biggest issue with cloud vs local control: *That privacy is a luxury*. Just like the majority people won't be able to afford an electric car in their lifetime, the majority of people won't have the technical skills or resources to be able to protect their privacy. Not only is it much harder from a technical standpoint to control and manage your own data successfully, but data is what pays for services like Facebook, Google Maps, and even subsidizes products like the Amazon Echo lineup so that they are affordable for the average consumer. I'm incredibly fortunate to have the technical skills and monetary means to store my data on site, choose local control options, and encrypt my traffic to ensure my own privacy (and make videos about it), but I can tell you that it's not cheap enough, not convenient enough, and not user friendly enough for the vast majority of the population. I don't have a solution, but I'm happy to help where I can.
Well, you need to start somewhere....... electric cars will (hopefully) get cheap enough one day to be affordable. But the initial kick is necessary because without it, no development can progress.
It would not have occurred to me to think of it in those terms - that's intriguing. However, isn't part of the goal of this project to help remedy that problem by making privacy straightforward for people without the time, resources, or technical skills to do so themselves? Do you think that if tech companies didn't get as much revenue from our data, they would have to raise prices in such a way that the cost would circle back to us? I would have expected that they have enough to spare, and could still provide all the services that are most useful to the average consumer without it.
@@nordithen this was actually a point i thought about when destin was talking about changing the engine. If data isn't the currency and your no longer the product - the service will become the product and you will become a paying costumer. I thought they had a better idea and was in a state of euphoria for an outside-the-box solution until the end of the video, because there was none... Anyway I think this will be a necessary step and the direction might be right
@@nordithen Never underestimate the greed of profit-driven companies. That is indeed the one thing I fear from this push for privacy: having to explicitly pay for search engines, video hosting, social networking, instant messaging. So many services that we take for granted are paid for by our privacy, and this seems like it would push against the democratization of the internet, something i'd argue would take precedence especially in developing countries.
1:40 it’s called the “shifting baseline phenomena” and it’s one of the reasons people so easily “get stuck” where they don’t want to be … because so many around them didn’t see the baseline shift … - I’ve been frustrated about this in regards to: A) pollution B) privacy (online and offline CCTV and facial recognition) C) media censorship D) loss of basic understanding of what Liberty was
100% agree with you. This could also easily be extended to work rights and control over the economy (but the subject could get politically polluted by introducing these two other aspects).
I thought we were told that these are private companies and they can do whatever they want? They should be held to the same constitutional standards especially if they’re leasing land from the government and work hand in hand with the government
@@TKUA11 Who says they can do whatever they want? Oh...you're doing that thing where you misunderstand the law and make huge generalizations in order to make a political point.
@@ReturnOfHeresy I think what we need to be more concerned with is corporations themselves becoming government... In many cases, these billionaire corporations have more influence. Think about it, freedom of speech isn't allowed on Facebook. If you say something they don't like, the Constitution doesn't apply, yet the result is the same. We are living under new forms of government.
Isn’t part of the problem that the internet “engine” ran on user data because selling the data to advertisers is what funds a lot of major websites? The technology solution of end to end encryption fixes the part of ownership, but without a change in service funding how can this become widely adopted. Definitely interested to see more videos in this series.
Perfect Forward Secrecy, end-to-end encryption, ECDHE is an important notion, but I'd point out that most fraud occurs within the armored pipes. It is part of the problem. The other is to disrupt how money is made through far too specific advertising.
you should read Jaron Lanier's book "who owns the future?" which amongst other things provides fascinating illustrations of the early architecture of the computing upon which the internet is based, (from one of its architects and all round interesting person)
Yes, this. How will they be funded if you remove how they make money? We get privacy, but we lose the services and considering we choose to give up privacy for the services now, why would that change to become widely adopted? I thought he was going to explain a new way for Internet businesses to run.
Basically yes that's the fundamental issue with the internet. If you make a web site, it costs you money to operate while anyone can visit it for free. They won't pay without a strong incentive, because they can go literally anywhere else on the entire internet instantly. So how do you make money? For most sites that aren't able to function as paid services or aren't part of a separate business, advertising is the only option. And because of the way the internet works, advertisers would actually have to go out of their way *not* to collect too much data. (As soon as request hits their servers, they know a lot about you without even trying.) Furthermore, many internet services - even paid ones - can only work by storing lots of data. They are fundamentally data storage services, and subject to all the issues mentioned in this video. Building in "zero-knowledge" requires extra effort and must be done from the beginning, and is still trivial to compromise for almost any staff at an ordinary tech company. Bottom line is, just gotta keep fighting the good fight and building awareness. People are beginning to be willing to pay for privacy-first services. Just move the needle in a small way, and write to your lawmakers as often as possible (and don't be cynical - it can have an effect, and is worth doing).
this is one of the reasons i dont oppose data selling, its what provides this amazing resource to as many people as it does and fuels the engine of the internet
One thing I would like to see Destins take on, is how the data is then turned against you to mainpulate you in ways and levels that has never been seen before.
I think this is one of my struggle points with all of this. For regular, daily communications, actions, locations, etc why do I care that they have this data? What are they currently doing with it that I should have a problem with, and what are the practical near-term future things they *could* do with it?
They can model your brain like we can model the weather. They predict your thoughts because they have so much data on what goes into your brain. But they also control many of those flows of information, so they also predict how your thoughts will change if they reduce, amplify, delay, or hasten certain flows of information. Recently with the rona, it has become much more accurate, but people getting angrier has reduced the confidence of the predictions. We've all become somewhat loose cannons. Also, China has wised up and closed a lot of info leaks. We can no longer predict China.
@@Rydralain As a programmer myself all that data would allow you to completely manipulate a person and everything they see on the internet. It's the most perfect version of brain washing and the user would be "happy" and not suspect a thing. Minority report is already starting to come true.
"We think there needs to be not only regulation, but technology solution" What I've noticed is that there's plenty of privacy tech out there, the issue is that privacy also requires people around you using it. The default right now is not private tech and so either regulation or mindset change is the bottleneck.
Too true. You may not have a facebook account, but if your entire family uses it, facebook definitely knows about YOU. You might not send your DNA to be recorded, but if a few people loosely related to you do so, you can be identified by DNA. You might have a secure email server, but if the people you email don't... what have you accomplished?
@@Falcrist I don't think it's necessarily no accomplishment. E.g. using a private email makes sure all your emails at least aren't centralized with one provider that can access them. But the current mindset does limit the extent of privacy.
no no we need it implemented by default like deep within the network stack on your phone....and every app has to comply. would take out facebook if we are lucky
Even if you truly "have nothing to hide" you dont break a single law ever at any time (which is impossible). what happens when that thing you weren't hiding suddenly becomes illegal. It has happened countless times through history and will surely happen again and because you said you had nothing to hide, You let the government create this huge mass surveillance apparatus that will ultimately be your demise.
The laws ought to be written to fit to what people do, not the other way around. If everybody is doing something illegal, then the solution is not to have privacy be our defense against the government, but to change the laws to fit society. You either have nothing to hide, are doing something that ought not be hidden, or are actually commiting a crime. Privacy is not needed. People really do either have nothing to hide, or do.
I would love to see a continuation of this series. I think the expectation of privacy has actually gotten worse over the last year, at least for the average user that isn't actively fighting for their privacy.
Finally someone's talking about it! People have been called paranoid when they bring up how we as a society have happily invited surveillance into our homes over the years of technology improvement with the birth of social media and the catalyst of 9/11. Thanks for starting this series!
I love how you’re able to tackle huge and at times divisive issues while somehow always managing to keep it apolitical. This channel is such a breathe of fresh air. Definitely a worthy cause bravo Destin! 👍😁
@@JerR22 I disagree. He only explained its purpose, background and also the potential problems of it and how it could be improved were it to remain a law. I didn't hear anything sounding definitely for or against it.
@@BeeSharp47 If apolitical means that you don't stray far from the status quo, then the frog in boiling water is apolitical. Things can slowly get worse and what's "apolitical" will just move with it. Also walking the dog is apolitical, you can't make an apolitical video about the Patriot act and privacy.
I'm currently doing cyber security in college just now and we covered this recently. Its genuinely scary what these companies have on us. Brilliant video to bring awareness to this subject.
You hit the nail RIGHT ON THE HEAD! "Power corrupts people." That's why I don't trust career politicians because they're not looking out for their constituents. They're just looking to line their pockets.
@@steinarey I think the key part is that they're 3rd party. If it was benign data like session state or preferences they wouldn't be on another domain.
Yes, Please code something everyone can share and use, a program that can sabotage data centers of any company. Can a program stop somthing like "Pegasus".
@David Vienna , it's not hard at all for someone to listen in on you through your phone. If the FBI wanted to, they can even turn on your phone even when it is turned off. As long as there is a working battery, they can turn on your phone and listen to everything and even turn on your camera if they wanted. This has been known for a very long time now.
You can't run. Wherever you're running to, regardless of how fast, stealthily, and distant... you're just running to another location from which they will collect and monitor more of you and your data.
@@largelarry2126 If a picture of them has ever been uploaded all the files are there for that person. FB started facial recognition years ago. Big brother has it amped up on a even higher level and faster format. Nobody is safe above, in or below the radar.
@@largelarry2126 facial recognition is real and it's primitive compared to what the three-letter agencies are using. There's a camera everywhere nowadays.
End to end encryption is great at preventing man-in-the-middle attacks, but it doesn't prevent a (for example) CPU manufacturer from implementing literal wire tapping at the silicon level and gathering information. Line snooping is already common place for things like caches, and considering the level of complexity of modern processors, crazier things have been done. Apple has their own ARM core now, if they really wanted to they could implement something like this to get around software encryption. After all, software encryption only works with software. If the hardware you're running it on is compromised you're SOL. We should also not forget hardware vulnerabilities like specter and meltdown which were hardware bugs that could be exploited by malware to obtain sensitive information.
Well Ios15 was already controversial because it was going to scan everyones photos which they said "it was to catch pedophiles" but with no oversight process then you have no idea how its being used. We need strict auditing bodies to provide oversight to the tech companies and to the government.
Indeed. EEE only stops casual eavesdropping. It doesn't do anything to stop the apps at the ends from doing stupid things. (See Also: Apple's iOS 15 attempted client side scanning ... "for da chil'ren") Or of course, for people to _claim_ end-to-end encryption but then not actually doing it. (sadly... far more common.)
AMEN!! As a Network Technician, I'm consistently telling people that the real privacy issue is the manufacturers of the technology and the government that regulates those manufacturers, that's the REAL privacy concern. Most software encryption is a moot point at the end of the day, it's all just Advertising nonsense.
Another analogy that I think does a better job of portraying this than the frog one is this: "If you're a dog on a chain with 1000 links, if they reduce it to 999 links, you won't notice, but when they finally reduce it all the way down you only have 1 link left, your range and freedom is gone, and you wonder what happened."
@@monsterwithoutname9689 imagine shilling for the big tech... I don't understand where this allegiance to the big tech is coming from. unless you're on their payroll...
I did my senior CS ethics essay on Key Escrow: essentially the government’s attempt to make the very thing your are trying to do illegal. That should say a lot about the trustworthiness of the government and the efficacy of what you are attempting.
The government is constantly trying to pass proposals which would make it illegal for us to encrypt anything at all, lol. They keep trying to make it illegal to create (good, functional) encryption software by claiming you're exporting military intelligence, and they keep trying to make it only legal to encrypt anything if the government has a backdoor into your encryption - which not only defeats the point in theory, but defeats it even harder in practise, because there is no way to implement that without also leaving the back door open for every other nation state and hacking group out there as well. We'll definitely need to keep checking the government. Especially if 4Privacy makes it big at all.
Well it's too late for privacy to be a matter. US is run by capitalist corporations who can and will demand the government to outright ban or change laws. See right to repair as an example. It's a noble act that will enforce your ownership on items you should own & the right to enable non-company repairman to easily find spare (OEM) & repair your items. But multiple companies tries to lobby against it so independent repair or techy people can't even repair it without repercussions. Apple disables touch id or boot loops phones on independent repaired devices while John Deere locks repair on software unless it's their own technician. Don't even start with serialization where unless serial # on parts match the original it will not be acknowledged, hence repaired screens don't even works.
@@kurtjustiniani1354 You're right, unfortunately, but let's hope that Destin's video series brings all of this to the forefront of people's minds, and that that adjust the political calculus in some ways (:
@@kurtjustiniani1354 I agree with most of what you say, except that I think that it's authoritarians that are the problem. You can be an authoritarian capitialist or an authoritarian socialist. Either way it's the authoritarian part that attempts to force their control on others.
I said it back in 2001 when they stopped allowing non ticket holders of airline flights to go into the terminals and started doing TSA scans that this is the start of us slowly loosing our rights.
Privacy is important, but I have some concerns about the app: 1. This app looks to provide secure messaging, password manager, and secure data store (files, documents, etc). That is a lot of major functionality for a single service to provide. 2. The doesn't actually replace other major data leaks (email, social media, search). This is where I seriously question the vision of having 1 app to do everything. It feels both too big and too small at the same time. Even today, we don't have 1 company that does it all. Therefore, it makes sense to support independent projects that can each do their own thing really well. Perhaps if this app was able to integrate with existing services by "holding their encryption keys", then this would make sense, but looking at the Kickstarter, I don't actually see any evidence of that.
@@TheSlowGrowth Of course you would have to pay. That’s how it was until data using was common for businesses. You paid for AOL, your email service, your virus app, etc. When it’s free, YOU/YOUR DATA is the product. Things cost money: servers, electricity, rent, computers, different software to run it all, employees, how does one pay for all that? By charging customers. If you pay for it, you are the customer. If it is free, you are the product and anyone willing to pay for your data are the customers.
Yea I love Destin and what he does, but hes not gonna be the one to solve this. It requires buy in from the big tech companies to achieve what hes trying to do here.
@@TheSlowGrowth I'm not sure what monetization model fits best here. Subscription vs non-targeted ads vs donation vs freemium all have different pros/cons. I'm not sure which one is best here, and I don't think *anybody* knows for sure which one would be the best long term.
If they do that, it would be one of the worst levels of admission and incrimination they could do, lol. No saying "It's just a result of the times" or any other kind of excuses anymore, not that they really have them.
The frog's already cooked my guy. It's a wishful dream to think you or this team can change anything. They have all the power, the money, the lobbyists, they control who whispers in the ears of policymakers, they maintain the status quo. Humanity will destroy itself one way or another, this way is by selling itself down a river, fostering anger, hated and isolation.
My tech teacher saw this as soon as it was released during class and decided to use it for a class. Thanks for getting both me and my teacher hooked on your videos!
One day after release this Kickstarter campaign has almost twice the money that they’re goal was. Soo exciting, I want to see this be the new norm. Go Destin!
Destin did a great job of explaining how. And I do trust him, but I wasn't sold in the explanation of why? Please speak more regarding the stance "I have nothing to hide"
A phrase that always comes back to me when people complain about the government holding your personal data, "Why should you be worried, if you have nothing to hide", In all honest sense, if your a law abiding citizen then why are you worrying about it, its only the people who have done something who are paranoid about their secrets coming to light. The Government literally has your name, blood type, doctor, residence and nationality by the time you are born, they have all the data on you, and companies that sell your data so that you get offers based on your recommendations is a good thing for me, as it saves me the effort of looking through such matters.
That is when you ask them for their bank account number, the PIN used to get money out of their bank card, and the login to the banking app on their phone.
As a privacy advocate, I appreciate the effort. However I don't see how will an app that seems to work similarly to a password manager will help with the gigantic privacy issues we have overall with big tech companies and Internet in general.
@McFlickers Then he should be educating people on already proven solutions for the people who don't know what to do. Signal and telegram should have been explained instead of just making an ad for his own company that doesn't even have a product yet
Thank you for discussing this and showing actual solutions, and not shilling for some VPN pretending like that solves this problem (it doesn't, it just slightly changes who you're trusting with your personal data with). True end-to-end encryption, zero-knowledge architecture and open-source software is exactly what we need to make a tool that is impossible to corrupt and steal data from. Privacy and security ate two of many reasons why I use open-source software and Linux wherever possible.
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As a software developer I'm really curious about how the protocol will work. You guys are tackling a big technical challenge, and I'm eager to see the outcome!
It looks like people with zero software knowledge want to tackle this all in software... Around election time, you'd be amazed to see how many people DEMAND electronic voting "because it cannot be tampered with".
Please illustrate how this Kickstarter addresses the issues raised at 6:08: "How long I looked at a particular image on Instagram" "The position of my phone last night" All this is running off a bunch of buzzwords and an animation of a picture being pulled out of a pipe. Is this supposed to address the problem of server file storage or meta data aggregation? What kind of project seeks funding before writing a whitepaper? It's hard to take this project seriously with such scant information.
The kinda project that's out to do just that, make money! (And collect data? Lol) But bruh, all his trust is on the table! It's Destin! We know him and he's so honest! 🤤🤣 Kinda painful to watch, eh...? Personal opinion: he's conditioning us for the post cyber attack internet lock down... Coming soon to a 🤡🌎 near you... 🤞 Hope I'm wrong.
Another way of looking at it is the authoritarian or totalitarian tip toe. You don’t have to believe that we’re slowly losing our freedom and privacy because there’s a bigger conspiracy. You only need to realize that we’re heading there today. If that totalitarian switch ever gets flipped well then I struggle to find a solution of how to unplug that light. It’s no lie that there is a bias in media. It’s not hard to see who benefits from it. Destin isn’t directly saying it because he doesn’t want to be cancelled but what he’s saying is we’re all now living in the crazy world those conspiracy theorists were acting all crazy about 20 years ago. Hate to break it to all of you but it’s way too late.
@@MrSladej Late is an understatement. We walk around with devices that ping our gps location, showing not just where you are but who you're around. They can access phone and text conversations, emails, anything on social media, etc. Most people think "I'm too normal they don't care about me", that's not the point, with thousands of 'normal' people's data they can make predictions. For example, suspiciously accurate advertising to the point that they can know things like when a woman is pregnant before she's told anyone, based on changes in purchase history compared to a multitude of other women who established and verified that data trend for them. Oh and if you wear an apple watch or some variation of it, you're really upping the amount of data they have for you thanks to the biometrics. Etc. We've been on this path for a while.
Yes it is a non-partisan issue when you look at the big picture. The problem is the right now its working in favor of a specific party in power, which will make it a difficult problem to deal with. Sort of like the censorship of free speech thing. Its a threat to us all, but if its in your favor in the moment, you may not see it as a problem until its too late.
@Vincent Sumner Although I'm sure I know what OP is bias is now, but it does not take away from this truth. erosion of free speech, privacy, security (both digital and physical), and the rise in censorship, are all bipartisan problems that effect and hurt all of us. These past 5-6 years, it has been blatantly obvious who is benefiting from these issues, if it was not already obvious after the complete 180 the left wing has gone through suspiciously since Occupy Wallstreet. For real tho, the left wing prior to Occupy Wall street where free speech, privacy and digital security orientated (a lot where already anti-gun so that's a big F for physical security), anti censorship purest. Some how big tech, brands, banks, the wealthy elite in general, have bamboozled the left wing into fighting for censorship because it protects their feelings without thinking that it can and will be used against them once the precedent is set, especially if its set in law. The anti-free speech aspect to the left I find particularly bizarre considering that free speech was one of the most crucial corner stones of so many civil rights wins. But they are willing to give that up in order to have big daddy tech protect their feelings. In return for safe feelings, they pay them with their information at the cost of their privacy. Additionally, even more of a concern, this recent Facebook "Whistle blower" has been discovered to be anti encryption thanks to her social media accounts being dug up. It's a very smooth brained take for someone in the tech industry to make, but makes perfect sense for someone in bed with the government, as governments tend to want the keys to everything, making huge privacy violating secret programs like the kind that Edward Snowden exposed. If the government can get your data, so can a hacker, so can big tech. And to know who these sorts of policies are made to benefit, just follow the money. Who donates, funds, and invests in politicians who are pushing these policies. I think you will find the richest and the wealthiest most elite people tend to support democrats and in general left wing politicians across the world. The big corporations often push this new left wing ideology on their employees and big tech in particular enforces this ideology online. And they also virtue signal so hard that it is extremely cringe and annoying, but it shows exactly which ideology they are aligned with, or at least using to push their goals (too make money). where right wing politicians (specifically the new populist types) are mostly funded by individuals and the tend to be more like traditional left wing liberals more then ever right now, but are often targeted by big tech censorship, and big tech propping up the mainstream media that is bias against them. They have done all of this to pit the left and right against each other so we are fighting our selves. It is just divide and conquer 101. We greatly out number and out gun them so if we are fighting our selves, we are not paying any attention to the blatant power grabs they are doing right now. And with that power they will influence laws and the economy to pad their pocket books, as the rich wealthy elite have always done. How they some how got the left wing to lick both cooperate and government boot, while eroding everyone's speech, security, and privacy absolutely boggles my mind. Never growing up would I imagine I would have to vote right wing, but some how the parties have switched on the issues that matter most to all of us even if the left wing can't see it.
All I'm saying is Destin is the man. You're the man Destin. One more thing... I've been talking about this a lot lately, I'm so glad someone influential and with a big internet presence is raising this.
Any one miss the days of the internet when getting free stuff didn't come with string attached? Back in the 1990s there was allot of utilities and software you could get for free, because some hardcore nerd wanted to share some cool tech with people. There was a innocence to that early internet. (man I feel old) Although I got to say, It's still possible to get lots of free products without being the product yourself. That's why I sail the high seas..... Yarrrr.
@@doooofus When using GPL software you are paying by supporting it directly or indirectly.When I help someone with the software I am contributing to the ecosystem.
I’ve NEVER trusted technology, but reluctantly gave in at the age of 18. Before this point in my life, I never even knew what a “cellphone” was. Now after this video, I’m glad that I NEVER use my real name on any site I use. I honestly rarely even use Facebook. I do have a profile, but there’s almost nothing on it.
This is the way to do it. Be aware of the technology, be careful in how to use it and promote technologies and laws that improve privacy. But clearly, the first step is to.... step away from the keyboard and think about what you are doing. FB model is clearly among the worst.
This is incredibly important and not nearly enough people are addressing this issue. I’m really happy to see folks like Rossmann going hard on right to repair, but I do think privacy takes priority. Thanks a lot for all the effort Destin!
Society doesn't need to handle things one issue at a time, there are many problems that get caused and solved in parallel. No need to put right to repair on the backburner while dealing with privacy. Actually, I think right to repair will help with a privacy movement. The political will needs to be there to commit to the idea that individuals own the technology ,and the data created with that tech, that they use in their everyday lives.
Didn’t Rossmann put out a video recently detailing that right to repair is a symptom of a larger issue that we as a society are moving away from an ownership model of “stuff”? In the right to repair realm, that’s phones, computers, and even farm equipment that only the manufacturer can repair, but it happens in software, too (lookin’ at you, Adobe). Additionally he briefly talked about how we’re seeing that in the housing market, too, investment firms buying up a bunch of homes to turn around and rent out. Data privacy is just another way in which we aren’t the “owner” of the “stuff”. It wouldn’t surprise me if our vehicles are next, and aren’t we already seeing that trend with electric vehicles where not just any mechanic can repair or maintain them? Granted, that is a bit of a different animal because they’re a wildly different technology compared to the status quo, but I could totally see companies like Tesla and Toyota moving toward keeping the maintenance and repair procedures or diagnostic tools under lock and key.
@@SampMan87 yup the bug is in the (wo)man not in the tech! stop sharing every bugger with the world and have legislation that actually makes it harder for companies to (mis)use your meta data. and maybe induce some big data literacy
You can’t believe how happy I am to watch this video. I sometimes had the impression that I was paranoid with the lack of digital privacy and that I actually had to accept the change and the impact in our lives. Watching your video, made me hopeful again that we will get this resolved in the future. Thanks for fighting sir!
you aren't alone! I'm pretty connected and familiar with the problems of surveillance, but have been at a loss of technical knowledge to protect myself.
Would also like to say that even though you are not doing anything online that's illegal, the effect on your mental health from knowing that everything you do online is being recorded still affects us subconsciously, changing the way we behave in an unhealthy way.
In this day and age listening to doctors who disagree with politicians is illegal "misinformation", if you ever had to revolt against a government ANY mention of sedition would obvious be illegal among other things.
I was an account executive at an advertising company years ago (Like, 20 years ago). The amount of information that we had on the population was mind blowing! It was all because people voluntarily submitted information in their daily lives. And that was well before the days of Facebook, My Space etc.
Actually this has its cons too. It will be terrorists paradise. I am from India and terrorists mainly use Telegram and WhatsApp to communicate. So if this system is implemented, then it'll cause huge trouble to countries with terror threats. Ah, this will never be implemented. Mark my words.
@@kunjupulla aaa the “terrorist argument” lret the gouvernments protect us….. man….didn’t we learn anything from history?!?? to much power corrupts anyone.. if you hear in the media that someone is a terrorist that’s not necessarily true my friend. who armed these guys in the first place? how did they get to where they are? what drives them? do some digging my friend. the answers are closer than you think. freedom means freedom, it’s a state of mind, a tool if you’d like .if some people decide to do bad things under the freedom umbrella that’s not the fact that freedom is a bad thing.
I don't get the idea of the "kickstarter" and app, I think that's a misunderstanding of the problem... The problem isn't the technology for user handled keys... The problem is what will make the tech companies keep offering their services ( and create new ones). As you say the internet runs on an engine "running" on your data. What will the internet "run" on if not for the data. When and where is their some monetary gain other than making currently free things into payed services?
@@OhhYasssh Subscription. If you look at the Kickstarter page, backing the app provides access to the service for 1 year. This suggests that access will be limited to paid subscribers. Unfortunately, another piece of data that can be tracked is users' payment to the privacy provider, meaning that governments know you're using the software and can personally subpoena you for the information instead.
Gah the video on the Kickstarter doesnt even understand how the industry collects or uses data in the first place. Destin your breaking my heart here. OP is correct, the problem isn' the technology used to handle keys, and you can already buy these solutions.
In regards to the land being owned by the government, it is a way for large companies to avoid paying taxes for several years. Long story short, the company promises to hire a certain amount of local people at certain average wages, promises to lease the land for a certain number of years, etc, etc and in exchange don't have to pay tax for a while (usually a "just" a few years) on any profits generated from that physical location. Almost every large corporation you can think of takes advantage of these programs because it (almost always) ends up being a win win situation for both the company and the local area. So it's pretty darn common.
I’m sure at some point permits, violations & other inconveniences that can easily cost millions in down time daily that could potentially arise out of nowhere where the old create a problem & offer the solution will come into play because they are the go to tactics & the conversation will go along the line of “we can make all these minor issues go away, you have nothing to worry about we own the land & just need this small favor”
@@FinalStooge corporations do not pay taxes. When they do "pay taxes", they actually reduce salaries, so it is workers who actually pay. And then workers pay again (their own income taxes), and again (consumption taxes, like sale tax or VAT).
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."
"It's true that the scientific merit of this experiment is in question" is a heck of an understatement. Something that is always bizarrely left out of popular references to the boiling frog experiment is that the frogs had their brains removed beforehand. The actual noteworthy finding of the experiment was that the frogs would jump out of the water if the water was already boiling _even if their brains had been removed._
Its good knowing big notable channels are finally addressing the concerns of privacy intrusion. The channels and organizations that usually stand up for this are small and only well known within the groups of people already concerned with this stuff. imo, too much focus has been placed on federal organizations for intruding on people's privacy. We complain about the government not following their own laws and getting away with it but these tech companies are big enough and have enough data now that they should be held on the same level as the government when it comes to privacy laws. I at least think that there’s a bit higher chance in changing a government’s views and beliefs over time than there is in changing a company’s. If we don’t start forcing google, Facebook, Amazon, apple, and whatnot to stop tracking us and handling our information like it’s nothing, then it’s gonna be very hard to do it in the future when they have even more power
I want to point out that, electric cars pollute worse than gas powered cars. More coal plants required for the same grid, quarry and mines to extract metals, and dead batteries are not recyclable-
Sure... just pay no attention to the fact he was working hand in hand with all the same companies a few years ago. He got interviews with all of them them while they were actively being sued for doing what he just described. He didn't bring it up once & his questions were more "softball" leading questions. He had the opportunity to really grill them but he accepted the story they were feeding him...
"The great begins great, maintains itself in existence only through the free recurrence of greatness, and if it is great also comes to an end in greatness." - M. Heidegger. You are touching in what is perhaps the central topic of our time, and it just shocked me how deep you seems committed to study and speak up about it. Keep it up and God bless you.
Awesome!!! You actually started to talk about the elephant in the room. You will be on a Google black list in no time, but keep on going. We need influential people like you to keep bringing this problem to light. That's brings the somewhat old question back: Snowden; hero or tractor?
I cant begin to say how much I appreciate you putting this video together, and the work that you're doing in this area. Thank you so much for doing this, Destin.
I think it’s more accurate to say the internet runs on highly targeted advertising. The data part is just in service of the advertising. The question is if you take away the targeted advertising and people’s expectation that content be available to them for free remains do you still have an internet? I’d say the frogs are the ones that decided everything should be free. Companies just found a way to make that work. There’s no such thing as a free lunch though. The solution is opening our wallets and paying for the digital content we consume. Then digital properties don’t need advertising for fuel. We did this to ourselves.
Totally agree, if we protect our data from the big techs, there no more incentive for their to provide free service to us. A real solution would be a decentralized service based on blockchain for instance, where the users pays to access and the content creators receive some part of that amount…
Point of order: targeted advertising is just one of the things that data gets used for. Ending the flow of useful meta-data entirely is probably not in the cards, but making things a little less personal and/or vulnerable for the common good is worth looking in to. And while market forces have indeed shaped what the digital landscape looks like, other factors have complicated things considerably and to the point where there is no reasonable way for such forces to effectively recognize, let alone correct, certain problems inherent to the system as things stand.
This is actually a good point. The thing is, if we go back to the old system, we risk society collapsing as the internet has become the nervous system of modern civilization. I'm not the most knowledgeable about economics and stuff, but is there another way to have a "free internet"?
The internet runs on the ideology that it's "free" but the providers provide content without charging their customers. It's actually possible to operate an entirely free internet, as long as the providers (assuming they can afford it and want to give that away for free) provide free content. Think of it as inviting a bunch of friends over to a big party. Do you charge all your friends an entry fee? Are you selling snacks and drinks to all your friends? Or, are you giving away a bunch of free entertainment, snacks and possibly some drinks in the spirit of everyone having a good time together? Maybe you assume your friends will bring some gifts of their own to contribute? And perhaps you trust that the friends who can afford it will in turn throw parties of their own and invite you? The internet runs (or rather ran) on that same ideology. Everyone contributes in some way and it's not at all about money. It's about mutual entertainment. There used to be plenty of free services on the internet where everyone was invited to share. Those services still exist in the backdrop of the modern internet, but they've all been replaced by megacorps who seem to do the same on the surface but actually make big profits off of their users data. Imagine you went to a friends party and once you were in their home they would rob you of all your possessions and give you a cookie for participating... That's what the internet has turned into today. It used to be better than that.
Thank you for making this critical information public. Many people called me paranoid when I try to explain how this works. You explained it very well.
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that privacy on the internet was a real thing." The technology that all of this is built on never had privacy in mind. It was never a consideration. I assume everything I have ever looked at online can and will come out some day and so should you.
When you’re training students to be scientists, one things that is often hard for them to understand at a fundamental level is that everything they’ve been taught is just a model and, at least for now, all these models are flawed at some level, in some way. The catechism is “models are to be used, not believed”. That same idea should be applied to tech companies (and politicians): use them but do not ever trust them
I took a History of Natural Philosophy class in college, and the biggest take away from that was this: in order for science to begin, you have to start with no assumptions, and question everything, for your entire working life. In order for science to advance, you cannot start with no assumptions, because by the time you have caught up to those who came before, you will be on the verge of death (or retirement). In order to move forward, you have to accept what has come before. Fast forward multiple generations, though, and your risk of following a false assumption goes up dramatically, because now you're not just following an assumption, but you're following it without even being aware that it exists. Also, you should check out Smarter Every Day 213, 214, and 215.
This is an incredibly well written, clearly thought out (unlike most TH-cam comments) and you bring up a very good closing argument! I wholeheartedly agree.
As someone who studies US natsec law, I gotta say, with respect, SmarterEveryDay drops the ball here. At least when talking about how the Government does things. The PA *increased* privacy & civil liberties protections, while streamlining already-existing authorities. When it expanded, it also increased P&CLs. For example, prior to 9/11, the USG had no authority to issue Grand Jury Subpoenas for CT investigations-GJSs also didn't have Judicial oversight. When the PA came into law, this changed: Now GJSs allowed for CT, but those are now also under Court oversight. The first time the USG used its expanded authority was in 2003. Almost two years. Another issue in the video: USP/aliens in the US, and their data *are* considered as protected by the 4th. This has never not been the case-extending to USPs outside the US. Not only is there robust judicial oversight, but there is also Congressional: SSCI, HPSCI, HJC/SJC, etc. Who examine the Court record, and examine other executive branch oversight reports. This includes members of Congress, and their staff to visit HQ of the FBI, NSA, as well as field offices and collection sites, etc. For Destin, I recommend the following academic materials: On the Bulk collection of Tangible Things, David S. Kris. Indeed, I'd actually just recommend his treatise, National Security Investigations & Prosecutions 3rd edition, with Douge Wilson. Prof. Peter Swire's testimony in the Irish High Court case, November 2, 2016. Specifically, Chapter 5 on oversight. You'll find on Alston. com
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KIM DOTCOM would love this video
why does the rocket behind you keeps changing it's position?
What is Privacy… I’ve forgotten.
Build Back Brandon 👷♂️
@@sinisterhipp0 Same thing they would do behind locked doors pre-tech. Point is, we want to catch the bad guys, but we all need not live outdoors.
How nice to see this - I’m in! Thanks for fighting the good fight. 👍
The LockPickingLawyer could pick his way into anyones online data
Saw your latest electronic lock video and thought it could be great example to explain how not to design authentication on web.
You sir are an absolute marvel of a person. Love your videos and your voice is soothing as a bubble bath
Destine is great
Hi👋
This is such a relevant and powerful topic. So glad to see you tackling the subject of digital privacy. "Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds.” Same goes for big tech companies. Count me in on the Kickstarter!
Hey funny to see u here. I've been binge watching ur content since I discovered the channel 3 days ago.
Hey Audit, nice to see ya
I one thousand percent guarantee this series has been sponsored by a VPN. We'll find out on the last video of the series.
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 VPN's are not that private. You are sharing your data with a private company rather than an ISP or big tech. Who knows who are behind those private companies. Might as well be decoys set up by big tech or the big brother. Either way....
this helps nothing as long as you still use facebook, youtube ect... they will still get your data and use it/sell it for profit....
If a total stranger walked up to you and asked "Where are going?"
You might reply with "It's none of your business."
Today, your privacy is literally someone's business. You willfully give strangers all your information and they sell it to everyone who wants it!
You are correct, but in order for your example to be precise, the "stranger" in your example is not just a stranger. It's a celebrity. Google, Facebook and others are well known. In your example "stranger" should be Lady Gaga or Leonardo di Caprio.
I agree with everything you said. I am an idiot though, and have a bunch of questions on how this app solves the problem that many of the devices themselves we are using are constantly spying on us, and that most people still use platforms that collect their data. I think this would make for a fun discussion.
Im really curious too. Hope you can get to talk with Destin about that.
Hey happy to see ya active broham
Agree. We need filtered engines that can strip personal data from apps.
The solution is investing in true Linux phones like pinephone and librem 5
I concur, Louis is an idiot
Glad to see a relatively big youtuber getting into the personal privacy realm. Hopefully 4Privacy doesn't see too many compromises on its core mission as time wears on
I agree with you but it's a terrible analogy. It's more like if a total stranger, with a police background check, came up to you and offered $1000 but with a very good, very reasonable explanation. Most people would take the money, gladly, not stopping to think about the small print. The services that companies like Google/Android and Apple offer used to be worth thousands and thousands of dollars, prior to the software revolution they ushered in. Unfortunately, there's a good reason why most people ignore the privacy issue, even though they should not.
The moment the technology works, it will be outlawed.
Indeed
Let's hope this snowballs into something large that potentially changes the way data is monetized.
10 million subs. Relatively big.
I am so so glad to see this in my feed. Our privacy is the most valuable thing we have, and we're losing it by the day.
Yes, that's true. However, citizens must realize how this government is suppose to work and the we can have laws enacted to fix our privacy problems. The skepticism that people have of the government comes from the fact that citizens have forgotten that they can hold the government accountable, but only if they have the will and put forth the effort to do so. This to say that dealing with the government can be discouraging, but we CAN and MUST do our diligence to make sure the government is a tool for the people and NOT against the people. Yes, we're losing our privacy, but we can work to regain it.
You should check out Smarter Every Day 213, 214, and 215.
"I am so happy to see this in my feed" must be one of the most ironical comments to this video. Think about it, what does it take to show up there?
For me being alive is more important!
@@ozone500
Sure fine. But it is still pretty darn important because identity theft can cause you not to be able to get access to food or water.
ohhh nooo Destin, you're going to lose quite a few social credit points for making such content :D J/k this is great, its amazing how many people I know who tow the "if you have nothing to hide" argument.
Please get some more videos out. Your new mobile house is sick!
What is a "social credit point" and who gives them out?
You should ask them to look up who is most famous in the last century for that quote.
From who????
When people tell me they have nothing to hide, I tell them to take their clothes off. Suddenly they start to understand the value of privacy.
It's been said many times:
Sacrificing privacy because you have nothing to hide is the same as sacrificing freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.
If you believe you have nothing to hide, they'll just make something up. Like in Australia, the police there now have the right to delete, alter and add to(plant) electronic information of Australians. Meaning they're allowed to plant incriminating evidence(like CP)and then arrested you for it.
No I'm not Joking.
@@covahredro8370 Thats no where near accurate but the whole "police can access your social media accounts" thing is a problem.
@@ysomadbeats what is the situation there then
@@ysomadbeats If everyone's social media was public (accessible, as in text messages and whatnot), there would be a LOT less trust in people with power and your friends. What you do in private is NOT what you want others to know about you. The government likes accessing our data, yet they won't let us access theirs (the ones that should be public anyway, obviously some things need to be kept private).
The first step is transparency. No one likes legal jargon. No one likes "secretly implying another thing." For instance, a company may say, "This data won't be tied to you once you delete it," but what does that even mean? For all we know, the public will just see "deleted," instead of the username, but the company can still hold backups or your IP.
The second step is to make sure that those words stay true. If it is broken, no more slap on the wrist. People (corporations) can get away with breaking the law like it's nothing, yet people (humans) can get their literal lives ruined.
Im an introvert so that's not a big threat to me -.-
OMG that annimation with the government issuing the gag order and then "I"m watching you" gesture cracked me up.
Same! That was great. Props to whoever made that animation
it's less funny when you realize how true it is.
so you know what angers me?
the: "but i have nothing to hide so why does it matter" argument.
Repeatedly thorough out history changes in power / government have resulted in people who "had nothing to hide" suffering due to differences of opinion.
there is no reason to allow privacy to be eroded away under any of the false pretense's they give.
Next time someone tells you that ask them if they'll give you their phone so you can go through all their emails, messages, and photos. I bet they won't.
Absolutely!
The argument "I don't need privacy because i've got nothing to hide" is just as ridiculous as "I don't need freedom of speech because i've got nothing to say"
To the power hungry that phrase just means “ I’m complacent, so please manipulate me”
so why does the government have the power to spy on everyone wtih out your knowledge , and the sell it on to some other company for a profit 🤐
@@adam8628 gov doesn't have the right, nor will they sell your data if they do get hold of it.
We know, from the Edward Snowden case, that agencies like, NSA, FBI, don't need to go to court to get permission to spy on you, that is how they ended up spying 2/3 of the US, anyone even remotely linked to anything would be put on the watchlist. I'm sure, it's 3/3 now since it's become much easier to passively spy on people.
Destin: “If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product”
Me, watching a video about privacy for free: 🤔
The horror!
Indeed you are the product! Some of his payment is enjoyment from knowing people enjoy it, possibly some from advertising (to you) and some from sponsors who pay because you see him mention their products.
And at the end we are asked to install and app without explaining how it works? Seems kinda like Mega.
Even if you pay for something like TH-cam Premium it isn't a privacy subscription, its a ad revenue replacement subscription. Google still hoovers up the data of TH-cam Premium subscribers in order to add to their digital advertising portfolio and sell them ads on other platforms. So you can pay and still be the product.
While a Kickstarter company is being plugged and linked in the description
As a social studies teacher and TH-camr, thanks for playing substitute teacher for us. You explained it better than I ever have.
Dennis makes money from your likes and clicks. By google using your private data.
You still have to take a huge leap of faith in trusting that the "encryption" methods, who were made by super geeks and engineers, really found a way on the OSI model to really keep and end to end connection private on a platform made by the same people you are trying to keep your info private from. So how can you understand this process better ? Go read a bunch of certification books made by people who understand only how to use the backbone that was already provided for them. They are already 10 steps ahead of any game being played over a TCP/IP connection
Really? Don't forget to mention to your student that anyone who takes a common knowledge, exagerate it's to fit the narrative to sell a (future) product, has shady motives at best.
@@ZippyBytes you know what used to be standard in the VPN industry? Canaries. You know what's none existent today? Canaries.
TH-cam is the new world teacher we don’t need
It's a sad day when someone feels like they have to convince people they should respect their privacy.
I 100% agree.
You should check out Smarter Every Day 213, 214, and 215.
This video is less about convincing people to respect their privacy than it is about informing people of the extent to which their privacy is compromised.
Let's not forget the fact that privacy isn't seen as a given or as a basic right or expectation, it's seen as something trendy and marketable. Remember the Freedom Phone?
@@patrick1532 which is just as sad.
Destin - pure brilliance that you chose this topic. Privacy is of big concern right now - it's no surprise that Facebook is changing its name. I'll be joining that kickstarter immediately.
Destin is great
Yea big time
It’s not actually changing it’s name. Just the name of the holder of all the companies. So instead of Facebook owning Instagram it’ll be “insert name here”
changing its* name, no apostrophe
@@CallMeMicahT Like with Google and Alphabet?
"There is no Cloud, there is just someone else's computer."
Exactly
And that someone else is proabably amazon
Yes, the only way to store your data on someone else's computer without them being able to pry is to encrypt it yourself.
This seems so fundamental that I would never even imagine that it needs to be said. Then again, I don't know that the average person thinks "cloud" means
Why is there no cloud? The someone else's computers are the cloud.
The Human Right to Privacy shouldn’t even be a Matter of Debate especially in a place that call itself the “Land of the Free” I really appreciate the effort you’re putting in to keep our Data and Privacy Safe!!
The fact that you sensed it was a good idea to make this video shows that people are finally catching on. It boggles the mind how people have been so blind to this for 20+ years. It’s not like we haven’t had people screaming about this issue the whole time.
I think difference is Destin isn't screaming. Metaphorically of course. People will complain about privacy all day without real explanations or understandings of what's going on. Destin explained and presented sources for how this stuff is used to negatively affect people.
Dude come on mark Zuckerberg will shut his channel down omglololololol pepelaugh 🐸🐸
@@randallstokes3684 his explanation is excellent but it barely scratched the surface. Endless technical details of how this has been working are plentiful online.
I'm sure Destin knew to make this video a long time ago. The issue is, he knows (like I do) a target is painted on your back when you do.
Ron Paul has been talking about it, and the media continues to ignore him.
I love that Destin isn't just educating us about the problem, but is actually going out of his way to create a solution.
Very true. I thought the same thing
Awareness of the problem is part of the solution. Stay tuned, I’d say.
Well, I don't know if a password manager is going to stop Google from tracking me... This solution doesn't really address the problem.
@@randomblock1_ It's not a password manager, it looks like a way to revoke companies' access to your personal information at your request
@@randomblock1_ isn’t is more than a password manager? The way I understood it was that we would encrypt the data we store on the cloud. This would obviously mean you would have to figure out how to handle the public data which simplest would be unencrypted
As a Communications Specialist with 25 + years of expierence I seen this coming many many years ago & have spoken about it often. Your explanation nailed it in simple terms for the many, thank you Destin.
Destin did a great job of explaining how. And I do trust him, but I wasn't sold in the explanation of why? Please speak more regarding the stance "I have nothing to hide"
@@samsplaying "I have nothing to hide" goes out the window when the possibility of literally anyone being able to have access to your PHI or other personal data via data leaks.... obviously we need ways to track and find criminals and other wrongdoers, but the answer isn't to just let every bit of your life accessible to nearly everyone, because it comes with many problems. Identity theft is another big threat that has increased heavily due to the sheer amount of private information that is available to many now.
One thing that is being missed here... the only reason these services are free and as available / advanced as they are is because they are making money off the data. If the data stops being provided, there is no reason to provide these services for free, and they go back to charging for everything or removing functionality. Also, while I'm not a big fan of how most big data is used, there is a LOT of massively beneficial items gained from sharing this data anonymously and for free. Things like traffic reporting, GPS, targeted advertising to provide revenue to content creators, smart home technology... all this is only possible due to this data sharing and monetization that is occurring now.
My son was born the month and year everything changed. The Patriot's Act under Bush Jr has wreaked havoc on our freedoms...
When I saw the title I was afraid this was going to be a commercial for NordVPN. Thank you for having as much as integrity as Tom Scott on this.
After Snowden's revelations, no one should be asking this question. 🤦
Everyone needs to be asking this question every day. Otherwise, we forget the answer.
many of us knew it was happening before Snowden.
@@1da1a172 Well said!! 👏👏👏
@@678friedbed here here!
“Dad, would the government ever implement a program to constantly monitor people in the homes?” “Now Son, where would they get the resources to do that?” My son laughed, I laughed, Alexa laughed.
Patriot Act. Inside job.
Siri laughed, Bixby snorted🙃
turns out the dystopian novels were right- what they didn't know is that we would do it willingly.. mostly for fake internet points
I’m saddened to see you didn’t shoot the Alexa…
I was like this. I thought, the alexa is only listening for key words, it would take too much bandwidth to send everything we are saying in the house. Then Amazon employees stated that they can listen to everything being said inside the house.
As a 23 year old, the explanation of how the US changed after 9/11 was phenomenal. I knew everything changed, but the explanation of "This is how the country was thinking back then" and the self-awareness to say "maybe we were thinking too much with emotion" was incredible to hear
Destin: “so I’m going to try and convince you that privacy is impo…”
Me: I agree! Let’s do this!
@@cbxk1xg end to end encryption and open source technology in the name of secure privacy as a scam?
By a well known, respected and connected TH-camr who is very transparent about what he does?
What issue do you see here?
@@ruolbu Probably a troll... ignoring is the best you can do. :)
Unfortunately he didn't spend any time at all really saying why privacy is important. "Spam calls" was about it.
This algorithm is gonna hate this video, so let's give this video all the love it deserves
You should check out Smarter Every Day 213, 214, and 215.
Good call!
If anyone hasn't seen the movie Snowden, it'll really open your eyes to how deep the data companies have on you goes.
I'd recommend Citizenfour more. It is a documentary created by a journalist that was with Snowden in Hongkong. It presents all the events that happened and contains real footage with the actual real people and not just hollywood actors.
or the WikiLeaks documentary on Netflix
what a surprise to see you here max
Also, that was the past. Things progress and get worse.
@@misaelolvera2996 Or Risk ...the same journalist again
By saying "I dont care I dont have nothing to hide" and by clicking "I agree" non stop for last 15 years, we gave them the tools. Politics is supposed to stop that but in its actual form (and have been for a long while), political systems became so corrupt that the swiss cheese is now more holes than cheese.
I'm an actual frog (french canadian lol) and I'm boiling.
I have chronic long covid right now and was looking for some content that really interests me and stumbled on your channel. Your work really does me wonders as with long covid, the mental state is as important if not more than the physical side. You are making a big positive impact on my life right now and I'm thankful for it. Lots of love to you my friend.
This whole video I was waiting for the "This video is sponsored by Express/NordVPN" and the longer I watched, the deeper Destin explained, the more I realized he actually cares, and is trying to MAKE a solution. Wonderful video.
You should check out Smarter Every Day 213, 214, and 215.
@@ianjohnson182 Is that the other security series where he talked about Facebook, and the other sites?
Yeah I'm getting sick of the VPN ads too, they don't even do anything significant for your privacy.
They also turn your records over when they're requested, even if they "don't log."
You just give away all or some of your privacy not only to endpoints but also to MITM, your vpn provider. Instead of setting up your very own vpn. That doesnt solve anything anyway.
I'm happy to support this effort, and I think it's an important one. However, I hope you address the elephant in the room when it comes to the biggest issue with cloud vs local control: *That privacy is a luxury*. Just like the majority people won't be able to afford an electric car in their lifetime, the majority of people won't have the technical skills or resources to be able to protect their privacy. Not only is it much harder from a technical standpoint to control and manage your own data successfully, but data is what pays for services like Facebook, Google Maps, and even subsidizes products like the Amazon Echo lineup so that they are affordable for the average consumer.
I'm incredibly fortunate to have the technical skills and monetary means to store my data on site, choose local control options, and encrypt my traffic to ensure my own privacy (and make videos about it), but I can tell you that it's not cheap enough, not convenient enough, and not user friendly enough for the vast majority of the population. I don't have a solution, but I'm happy to help where I can.
Well, you need to start somewhere....... electric cars will (hopefully) get cheap enough one day to be affordable. But the initial kick is necessary because without it, no development can progress.
It would not have occurred to me to think of it in those terms - that's intriguing. However, isn't part of the goal of this project to help remedy that problem by making privacy straightforward for people without the time, resources, or technical skills to do so themselves?
Do you think that if tech companies didn't get as much revenue from our data, they would have to raise prices in such a way that the cost would circle back to us? I would have expected that they have enough to spare, and could still provide all the services that are most useful to the average consumer without it.
@@nordithen this was actually a point i thought about when destin was talking about changing the engine.
If data isn't the currency and your no longer the product - the service will become the product and you will become a paying costumer.
I thought they had a better idea and was in a state of euphoria for an outside-the-box solution until the end of the video, because there was none...
Anyway I think this will be a necessary step and the direction might be right
Yup. I wish that part is covered. Because simply for most people, privacy is not remotely their first priority.
@@nordithen Never underestimate the greed of profit-driven companies.
That is indeed the one thing I fear from this push for privacy: having to explicitly pay for search engines, video hosting, social networking, instant messaging.
So many services that we take for granted are paid for by our privacy, and this seems like it would push against the democratization of the internet, something i'd argue would take precedence especially in developing countries.
1:40 it’s called the “shifting baseline phenomena” and it’s one of the reasons people so easily “get stuck” where they don’t want to be … because so many around them didn’t see the baseline shift …
- I’ve been frustrated about this in regards to:
A) pollution
B) privacy (online and offline CCTV and facial recognition)
C) media censorship
D) loss of basic understanding of what Liberty was
100% agree with you.
This could also easily be extended to work rights and control over the economy (but the subject could get politically polluted by introducing these two other aspects).
I thought we were told that these are private companies and they can do whatever they want? They should be held to the same constitutional standards especially if they’re leasing land from the government and work hand in hand with the government
@@TKUA11 Who says they can do whatever they want? Oh...you're doing that thing where you misunderstand the law and make huge generalizations in order to make a political point.
@@TKUA11 Agreed, public-private partnership must not allow the government to bypass the constitution.
@@ReturnOfHeresy I think what we need to be more concerned with is corporations themselves becoming government... In many cases, these billionaire corporations have more influence. Think about it, freedom of speech isn't allowed on Facebook. If you say something they don't like, the Constitution doesn't apply, yet the result is the same. We are living under new forms of government.
Isn’t part of the problem that the internet “engine” ran on user data because selling the data to advertisers is what funds a lot of major websites? The technology solution of end to end encryption fixes the part of ownership, but without a change in service funding how can this become widely adopted. Definitely interested to see more videos in this series.
Perfect Forward Secrecy, end-to-end encryption, ECDHE is an important notion, but I'd point out that most fraud occurs within the armored pipes. It is part of the problem. The other is to disrupt how money is made through far too specific advertising.
you should read Jaron Lanier's book "who owns the future?" which amongst other things provides fascinating illustrations of the early architecture of the computing upon which the internet is based, (from one of its architects and all round interesting person)
Yes, this. How will they be funded if you remove how they make money? We get privacy, but we lose the services and considering we choose to give up privacy for the services now, why would that change to become widely adopted? I thought he was going to explain a new way for Internet businesses to run.
Basically yes that's the fundamental issue with the internet. If you make a web site, it costs you money to operate while anyone can visit it for free. They won't pay without a strong incentive, because they can go literally anywhere else on the entire internet instantly. So how do you make money? For most sites that aren't able to function as paid services or aren't part of a separate business, advertising is the only option. And because of the way the internet works, advertisers would actually have to go out of their way *not* to collect too much data. (As soon as request hits their servers, they know a lot about you without even trying.)
Furthermore, many internet services - even paid ones - can only work by storing lots of data. They are fundamentally data storage services, and subject to all the issues mentioned in this video. Building in "zero-knowledge" requires extra effort and must be done from the beginning, and is still trivial to compromise for almost any staff at an ordinary tech company.
Bottom line is, just gotta keep fighting the good fight and building awareness. People are beginning to be willing to pay for privacy-first services. Just move the needle in a small way, and write to your lawmakers as often as possible (and don't be cynical - it can have an effect, and is worth doing).
this is one of the reasons i dont oppose data selling, its what provides this amazing resource to as many people as it does and fuels the engine of the internet
One thing I would like to see Destins take on, is how the data is then turned against you to mainpulate you in ways and levels that has never been seen before.
We're Americans, the government and everything else here is against us and always has been.
I think this is one of my struggle points with all of this. For regular, daily communications, actions, locations, etc why do I care that they have this data? What are they currently doing with it that I should have a problem with, and what are the practical near-term future things they *could* do with it?
They can model your brain like we can model the weather. They predict your thoughts because they have so much data on what goes into your brain. But they also control many of those flows of information, so they also predict how your thoughts will change if they reduce, amplify, delay, or hasten certain flows of information. Recently with the rona, it has become much more accurate, but people getting angrier has reduced the confidence of the predictions. We've all become somewhat loose cannons. Also, China has wised up and closed a lot of info leaks. We can no longer predict China.
@@Rydralain As a programmer myself all that data would allow you to completely manipulate a person and everything they see on the internet.
It's the most perfect version of brain washing and the user would be "happy" and not suspect a thing. Minority report is already starting to come true.
Destin has a series on the social media "giants" and how they manipulate us. That touches on their data collection and tilization.
"We think there needs to be not only regulation, but technology solution"
What I've noticed is that there's plenty of privacy tech out there, the issue is that privacy also requires people around you using it. The default right now is not private tech and so either regulation or mindset change is the bottleneck.
Too true. You may not have a facebook account, but if your entire family uses it, facebook definitely knows about YOU.
You might not send your DNA to be recorded, but if a few people loosely related to you do so, you can be identified by DNA.
You might have a secure email server, but if the people you email don't... what have you accomplished?
@@Falcrist I don't think it's necessarily no accomplishment. E.g. using a private email makes sure all your emails at least aren't centralized with one provider that can access them. But the current mindset does limit the extent of privacy.
This can be seen as a fault of the tech.
Ideally, privacy-oriented options would be compatible with non-privacy-oriented ones.
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no no we need it implemented by default like deep within the network stack on your phone....and every app has to comply. would take out facebook if we are lucky
"I have nothing to hide" is just a failure of imagination.
Even if you truly "have nothing to hide" you dont break a single law ever at any time (which is impossible). what happens when that thing you weren't hiding suddenly becomes illegal. It has happened countless times through history and will surely happen again and because you said you had nothing to hide, You let the government create this huge mass surveillance apparatus that will ultimately be your demise.
@@loganspargo9222 Absolutely right.
The laws ought to be written to fit to what people do, not the other way around. If everybody is doing something illegal, then the solution is not to have privacy be our defense against the government, but to change the laws to fit society.
You either have nothing to hide, are doing something that ought not be hidden, or are actually commiting a crime. Privacy is not needed. People really do either have nothing to hide, or do.
Wise words and well put
Shame that friends and family will willingly handout much of a family members data without even realizing it.
I would love to see a continuation of this series. I think the expectation of privacy has actually gotten worse over the last year, at least for the average user that isn't actively fighting for their privacy.
Finally someone's talking about it! People have been called paranoid when they bring up how we as a society have happily invited surveillance into our homes over the years of technology improvement with the birth of social media and the catalyst of 9/11. Thanks for starting this series!
I love how you’re able to tackle huge and at times divisive issues while somehow always managing to keep it apolitical. This channel is such a breathe of fresh air. Definitely a worthy cause bravo Destin! 👍😁
Bro he straight shilled for the Patriot act... How's that apolitical?
i know right?? gotta love destin.
100% agree. I've loved that about Destin's channel the whole time I've known about it.
@@JerR22 I disagree. He only explained its purpose, background and also the potential problems of it and how it could be improved were it to remain a law. I didn't hear anything sounding definitely for or against it.
@@BeeSharp47 If apolitical means that you don't stray far from the status quo, then the frog in boiling water is apolitical.
Things can slowly get worse and what's "apolitical" will just move with it.
Also walking the dog is apolitical, you can't make an apolitical video about the Patriot act and privacy.
I'm currently doing cyber security in college just now and we covered this recently. Its genuinely scary what these companies have on us. Brilliant video to bring awareness to this subject.
You should check out Smarter Every Day 213, 214, and 215.
You hit the nail RIGHT ON THE HEAD! "Power corrupts people." That's why I don't trust career politicians because they're not looking out for their constituents. They're just looking to line their pockets.
We're in! Over 500,000 consumers manage their personal data with Mine - let us know how we can help, Destin :)
Love your platform guys, keep going
I don't buy it. You have third party traders and cookies.
@@kuryaku5906 Cookies can be used for simple things like preferences and such. They don't need to be malicious. They can, but they aren't inherently.
You can log in using google, Microsoft or yahoo. Says it all…
@@steinarey I think the key part is that they're 3rd party. If it was benign data like session state or preferences they wouldn't be on another domain.
More people need to talk about the importance of our privacy.
Outstanding to see you putting effort into this! It's a huge problem in need of many solutions. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
Yes, Please code something everyone can share and use, a program that can sabotage data centers of any company. Can a program stop somthing like "Pegasus".
@@xivok 😂😂😂
@@xivok
Hey. He's not into sabotage!! Just protecting us from it and from having what belongs to us used and stolen and sold...
I’ll help too
The important phrase is "It's not that I have something to hide, it's that someone else most certainly has something to find".
I'm always surprised how many people want Alexa, Google home, etc in their homes all for "convenience"
Do you not have a phone?
@David Vienna you didn’t answer his question
well, basically, we can't stop it. Think about where are we watching this video.
@David Vienna it still has a microphone on it.
@David Vienna , it's not hard at all for someone to listen in on you through your phone. If the FBI wanted to, they can even turn on your phone even when it is turned off. As long as there is a working battery, they can turn on your phone and listen to everything and even turn on your camera if they wanted. This has been known for a very long time now.
There's only one thing that comes to mind when describing the cyber-dystopia we live in today: "You can run, but you can't hide."
Even if you have no computer, internet or phone? We have some friends that have never had a computer or cell phone.
@@largelarry2126 A credit card gives them all the intel they need, the rest is superfluous imho.
You can't run. Wherever you're running to, regardless of how fast, stealthily, and distant... you're just running to another location from which they will collect and monitor more of you and your data.
@@largelarry2126 If a picture of them has ever been uploaded all the files are there for that person. FB started facial recognition years ago. Big brother has it amped up on a even higher level and faster format. Nobody is safe above, in or below the radar.
@@largelarry2126 facial recognition is real and it's primitive compared to what the three-letter agencies are using. There's a camera everywhere nowadays.
End to end encryption is great at preventing man-in-the-middle attacks, but it doesn't prevent a (for example) CPU manufacturer from implementing literal wire tapping at the silicon level and gathering information. Line snooping is already common place for things like caches, and considering the level of complexity of modern processors, crazier things have been done.
Apple has their own ARM core now, if they really wanted to they could implement something like this to get around software encryption. After all, software encryption only works with software. If the hardware you're running it on is compromised you're SOL. We should also not forget hardware vulnerabilities like specter and meltdown which were hardware bugs that could be exploited by malware to obtain sensitive information.
Well Ios15 was already controversial because it was going to scan everyones photos which they said "it was to catch pedophiles" but with no oversight process then you have no idea how its being used.
We need strict auditing bodies to provide oversight to the tech companies and to the government.
Indeed. EEE only stops casual eavesdropping. It doesn't do anything to stop the apps at the ends from doing stupid things. (See Also: Apple's iOS 15 attempted client side scanning ... "for da chil'ren") Or of course, for people to _claim_ end-to-end encryption but then not actually doing it. (sadly... far more common.)
AMEN!! As a Network Technician, I'm consistently telling people that the real privacy issue is the manufacturers of the technology and the government that regulates those manufacturers, that's the REAL privacy concern. Most software encryption is a moot point at the end of the day, it's all just Advertising nonsense.
Another analogy that I think does a better job of portraying this than the frog one is this: "If you're a dog on a chain with 1000 links, if they reduce it to 999 links, you won't notice, but when they finally reduce it all the way down you only have 1 link left, your range and freedom is gone, and you wonder what happened."
Finally a "non-conspiracy" explanation to why privacy matters that I can show my friends and family!!!!! Thank you very much Dustin!!!!
it's an ad. RMS has been giving talks about this for decades.
Conspiracy theories are just spoilers.
The fact that you still think big company's doing bad stuff is just a conspiracy shows how much your privacy is protected .
*Destin ;)
@@monsterwithoutname9689 imagine shilling for the big tech... I don't understand where this allegiance to the big tech is coming from. unless you're on their payroll...
I did my senior CS ethics essay on Key Escrow: essentially the government’s attempt to make the very thing your are trying to do illegal. That should say a lot about the trustworthiness of the government and the efficacy of what you are attempting.
The government is constantly trying to pass proposals which would make it illegal for us to encrypt anything at all, lol. They keep trying to make it illegal to create (good, functional) encryption software by claiming you're exporting military intelligence, and they keep trying to make it only legal to encrypt anything if the government has a backdoor into your encryption - which not only defeats the point in theory, but defeats it even harder in practise, because there is no way to implement that without also leaving the back door open for every other nation state and hacking group out there as well.
We'll definitely need to keep checking the government. Especially if 4Privacy makes it big at all.
Well it's too late for privacy to be a matter. US is run by capitalist corporations who can and will demand the government to outright ban or change laws. See right to repair as an example. It's a noble act that will enforce your ownership on items you should own & the right to enable non-company repairman to easily find spare (OEM) & repair your items. But multiple companies tries to lobby against it so independent repair or techy people can't even repair it without repercussions. Apple disables touch id or boot loops phones on independent repaired devices while John Deere locks repair on software unless it's their own technician. Don't even start with serialization where unless serial # on parts match the original it will not be acknowledged, hence repaired screens don't even works.
@@kurtjustiniani1354 You're right, unfortunately, but let's hope that Destin's video series brings all of this to the forefront of people's minds, and that that adjust the political calculus in some ways (:
@@kurtjustiniani1354 I agree with most of what you say, except that I think that it's authoritarians that are the problem. You can be an authoritarian capitialist or an authoritarian socialist. Either way it's the authoritarian part that attempts to force their control on others.
@@jbc175 True, though the authoritarian socialist carries a whole boatload of other badness that we also want to stay away from.
I said it back in 2001 when they stopped allowing non ticket holders of airline flights to go into the terminals and started doing TSA scans that this is the start of us slowly loosing our rights.
My respect for you just grew exponentially; thank you so much for making this video. You are an amazing human being, Destin!
You need Eric snowden
@@michaelpfenning4276 You mean Edward Snowden?
Doesn’t he still work for nasa ?
@@michaelpfenning4276
Yes!! He sure does, but it might be too dangerous for him to publicly ask for him.
Yes, but it might be too dangerous for him to publicly ask for him.
Privacy is important, but I have some concerns about the app:
1. This app looks to provide secure messaging, password manager, and secure data store (files, documents, etc). That is a lot of major functionality for a single service to provide.
2. The doesn't actually replace other major data leaks (email, social media, search).
This is where I seriously question the vision of having 1 app to do everything. It feels both too big and too small at the same time. Even today, we don't have 1 company that does it all. Therefore, it makes sense to support independent projects that can each do their own thing really well. Perhaps if this app was able to integrate with existing services by "holding their encryption keys", then this would make sense, but looking at the Kickstarter, I don't actually see any evidence of that.
Also: backers get a subscription for the first year. Then afterwards? Yes, it’s another subscription service.
I think the main idea of the app is to apply end-to-end encryption on every other app, so in a way it doesn't send or store anything, only encrypt.
@@TheSlowGrowth Of course you would have to pay. That’s how it was until data using was common for businesses. You paid for AOL, your email service, your virus app, etc. When it’s free, YOU/YOUR DATA is the product. Things cost money: servers, electricity, rent, computers, different software to run it all, employees, how does one pay for all that? By charging customers. If you pay for it, you are the customer. If it is free, you are the product and anyone willing to pay for your data are the customers.
Yea I love Destin and what he does, but hes not gonna be the one to solve this. It requires buy in from the big tech companies to achieve what hes trying to do here.
@@TheSlowGrowth I'm not sure what monetization model fits best here. Subscription vs non-targeted ads vs donation vs freemium all have different pros/cons. I'm not sure which one is best here, and I don't think *anybody* knows for sure which one would be the best long term.
its all fun and games until this series gets "copyright striked"
i can only bet it will
Or removed for "false information"
I hope Destin feels like he "needs" to host this series on an alternate video-sharing platform. Perhaps Nebula might come in handy.
If they do that, it would be one of the worst levels of admission and incrimination they could do, lol. No saying "It's just a result of the times" or any other kind of excuses anymore, not that they really have them.
The frog's already cooked my guy. It's a wishful dream to think you or this team can change anything. They have all the power, the money, the lobbyists, they control who whispers in the ears of policymakers, they maintain the status quo. Humanity will destroy itself one way or another, this way is by selling itself down a river, fostering anger, hated and isolation.
This video is a must watch on anyone's list.
My tech teacher saw this as soon as it was released during class and decided to use it for a class. Thanks for getting both me and my teacher hooked on your videos!
massive respect to your teacher for watching youtube videos when they're supposed to be teaching a class.
Dennis makes money from your likes and clicks. By google using your private data.
Haven't watched yet, but I'm fairly confident the answer is "yes."
Oh. 100%.
Agreed lol, I gave up and privacy 😅
Yep
yes but if you want to and have the time you can share very little info as you want/can
It’s possible but you basically opt out of society
One day after release this Kickstarter campaign has almost twice the money that they’re goal was. Soo exciting, I want to see this be the new norm. Go Destin!
Destin did a great job of explaining how. And I do trust him, but I wasn't sold in the explanation of why? Please speak more regarding the stance "I have nothing to hide"
*Their but yes it’s exciting
@@Development530 you absolutley dont get the point...
@@dakiraa3337 What makes you say that?
A phrase that always comes back to me when people complain about the government holding your personal data, "Why should you be worried, if you have nothing to hide", In all honest sense, if your a law abiding citizen then why are you worrying about it, its only the people who have done something who are paranoid about their secrets coming to light.
The Government literally has your name, blood type, doctor, residence and nationality by the time you are born, they have all the data on you, and companies that sell your data so that you get offers based on your recommendations is a good thing for me, as it saves me the effort of looking through such matters.
Big tech companies meet the definition of what a monopoly is in every way imaginable.
You should check out Smarter Every Day 213, 214, and 215.
A good point to talk about is the trap that many people fall into - that "if you have nothing to hide" it doesn't matter.
That is when you ask them for their bank account number, the PIN used to get money out of their bank card, and the login to the banking app on their phone.
The old saying is - show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
As a privacy advocate, I appreciate the effort. However I don't see how will an app that seems to work similarly to a password manager will help with the gigantic privacy issues we have overall with big tech companies and Internet in general.
On their website they say something about an api which can be 'easily added', but I'm not sure if it works like a browser extension or what
Device fingerptinting still a thing haha. Nothing is private
It's a GREAT start! Ideally it should move toward an entire new operating system for phones IMO. Or a radically modified Android perhaps.
@McFlickers Then he should be educating people on already proven solutions for the people who don't know what to do. Signal and telegram should have been explained instead of just making an ad for his own company that doesn't even have a product yet
@@longlive289s It's not his company, weren't you watching the video?
Thank you for discussing this and showing actual solutions, and not shilling for some VPN pretending like that solves this problem (it doesn't, it just slightly changes who you're trusting with your personal data with).
True end-to-end encryption, zero-knowledge architecture and open-source software is exactly what we need to make a tool that is impossible to corrupt and steal data from.
Privacy and security ate two of many reasons why I use open-source software and Linux wherever possible.
As a software developer I'm really curious about how the protocol will work. You guys are tackling a big technical challenge, and I'm eager to see the outcome!
It looks like people with zero software knowledge want to tackle this all in software...
Around election time, you'd be amazed to see how many people DEMAND electronic voting "because it cannot be tampered with".
@@AaronRMG The rpoblem is in the hardware and (especially) the FIRMware (among which the Android OS is the most important).
Please illustrate how this Kickstarter addresses the issues raised at 6:08:
"How long I looked at a particular image on Instagram"
"The position of my phone last night"
All this is running off a bunch of buzzwords and an animation of a picture being pulled out of a pipe. Is this supposed to address the problem of server file storage or meta data aggregation? What kind of project seeks funding before writing a whitepaper? It's hard to take this project seriously with such scant information.
It's a gimmick and if you comment that this have already been in the works for over 10 years , your comment get deleted. Zeronet, blockstack...
The kinda project that's out to do just that, make money! (And collect data? Lol) But bruh, all his trust is on the table! It's Destin! We know him and he's so honest! 🤤🤣 Kinda painful to watch, eh...?
Personal opinion: he's conditioning us for the post cyber attack internet lock down... Coming soon to a 🤡🌎 near you... 🤞 Hope I'm wrong.
The story with the frog matches perfectly with the TH-cam ads it's getting more and more.
Another way of looking at it is the authoritarian or totalitarian tip toe. You don’t have to believe that we’re slowly losing our freedom and privacy because there’s a bigger conspiracy. You only need to realize that we’re heading there today. If that totalitarian switch ever gets flipped well then I struggle to find a solution of how to unplug that light.
It’s no lie that there is a bias in media. It’s not hard to see who benefits from it.
Destin isn’t directly saying it because he doesn’t want to be cancelled but what he’s saying is we’re all now living in the crazy world those conspiracy theorists were acting all crazy about 20 years ago. Hate to break it to all of you but it’s way too late.
It's 2021 and you don't know about Brave or an ad blocker? Don't use the mobile app
@@AstoundLikesWoW of cause I know about adblocker and I use it on PC but on a phone it's difficult without rooting it
@@MrSladej Late is an understatement. We walk around with devices that ping our gps location, showing not just where you are but who you're around. They can access phone and text conversations, emails, anything on social media, etc. Most people think "I'm too normal they don't care about me", that's not the point, with thousands of 'normal' people's data they can make predictions. For example, suspiciously accurate advertising to the point that they can know things like when a woman is pregnant before she's told anyone, based on changes in purchase history compared to a multitude of other women who established and verified that data trend for them. Oh and if you wear an apple watch or some variation of it, you're really upping the amount of data they have for you thanks to the biometrics. Etc. We've been on this path for a while.
This is simply brilliant. And a genuine contribution from a thoughtful citizen. You are performing your duties as a citizen in a most admirable way.
Non-partisan issue we're all being distracted from: Exhibit A.
Love it Destin, keep it up. Most I've ever trusted a Kickstarter campaign to deliver!
Yes it is a non-partisan issue when you look at the big picture. The problem is the right now its working in favor of a specific party in power, which will make it a difficult problem to deal with. Sort of like the censorship of free speech thing. Its a threat to us all, but if its in your favor in the moment, you may not see it as a problem until its too late.
@@seth7745 congratulations! You totally exposed your biased.
@@vincentsumner5232 it's not bias to state public facts
@@Romegyptian it is bias to focus on one side and omit the fact that both are (somewhat) equally in the wrong regarding your privacy
@Vincent Sumner Although I'm sure I know what OP is bias is now, but it does not take away from this truth. erosion of free speech, privacy, security (both digital and physical), and the rise in censorship, are all bipartisan problems that effect and hurt all of us.
These past 5-6 years, it has been blatantly obvious who is benefiting from these issues, if it was not already obvious after the complete 180 the left wing has gone through suspiciously since Occupy Wallstreet.
For real tho, the left wing prior to Occupy Wall street where free speech, privacy and digital security orientated (a lot where already anti-gun so that's a big F for physical security), anti censorship purest. Some how big tech, brands, banks, the wealthy elite in general, have bamboozled the left wing into fighting for censorship because it protects their feelings without thinking that it can and will be used against them once the precedent is set, especially if its set in law. The anti-free speech aspect to the left I find particularly bizarre considering that free speech was one of the most crucial corner stones of so many civil rights wins. But they are willing to give that up in order to have big daddy tech protect their feelings. In return for safe feelings, they pay them with their information at the cost of their privacy.
Additionally, even more of a concern, this recent Facebook "Whistle blower" has been discovered to be anti encryption thanks to her social media accounts being dug up. It's a very smooth brained take for someone in the tech industry to make, but makes perfect sense for someone in bed with the government, as governments tend to want the keys to everything, making huge privacy violating secret programs like the kind that Edward Snowden exposed. If the government can get your data, so can a hacker, so can big tech.
And to know who these sorts of policies are made to benefit, just follow the money. Who donates, funds, and invests in politicians who are pushing these policies. I think you will find the richest and the wealthiest most elite people tend to support democrats and in general left wing politicians across the world. The big corporations often push this new left wing ideology on their employees and big tech in particular enforces this ideology online. And they also virtue signal so hard that it is extremely cringe and annoying, but it shows exactly which ideology they are aligned with, or at least using to push their goals (too make money). where right wing politicians (specifically the new populist types) are mostly funded by individuals and the tend to be more like traditional left wing liberals more then ever right now, but are often targeted by big tech censorship, and big tech propping up the mainstream media that is bias against them.
They have done all of this to pit the left and right against each other so we are fighting our selves. It is just divide and conquer 101. We greatly out number and out gun them so if we are fighting our selves, we are not paying any attention to the blatant power grabs they are doing right now. And with that power they will influence laws and the economy to pad their pocket books, as the rich wealthy elite have always done.
How they some how got the left wing to lick both cooperate and government boot, while eroding everyone's speech, security, and privacy absolutely boggles my mind. Never growing up would I imagine I would have to vote right wing, but some how the parties have switched on the issues that matter most to all of us even if the left wing can't see it.
Such an important topic, thanks for using your influence to educate and drive change! Are you in communication with the Data Dividend Project?
Wow, such empty in replies
All I'm saying is Destin is the man.
You're the man Destin.
One more thing... I've been talking about this a lot lately, I'm so glad someone influential and with a big internet presence is raising this.
Dennis makes money from your likes and clicks. By google using your private data.
and now we all know Junz. and going to use that information
A single post and then 9 months and counting of nothing doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies.
"There is no cloud... It's just someone elses computer."
I guess I have no privacy because a few minutes after I submitted an essay about privacy I get the notification for this video
"If you're not paying for the product, *you* are the product"
humankind literally summed up in 1 sentence.
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a lovely (and rather powerful) thought, fred. couldn’t agree more.
Any one miss the days of the internet when getting free stuff didn't come with string attached? Back in the 1990s there was allot of utilities and software you could get for free, because some hardcore nerd wanted to share some cool tech with people. There was a innocence to that early internet. (man I feel old) Although I got to say, It's still possible to get lots of free products without being the product yourself. That's why I sail the high seas..... Yarrrr.
yes truly a real shame that i was the product when i didnt pay for gnu coreutils or wireshark or blender3d or kevin macleod's music
@@doooofus When using GPL software you are paying by supporting it directly or indirectly.When I help someone with the software I am contributing to the ecosystem.
I’ve NEVER trusted technology, but reluctantly gave in at the age of 18. Before this point in my life, I never even knew what a “cellphone” was. Now after this video, I’m glad that I NEVER use my real name on any site I use. I honestly rarely even use Facebook. I do have a profile, but there’s almost nothing on it.
This is the way to do it. Be aware of the technology, be careful in how to use it and promote technologies and laws that improve privacy. But clearly, the first step is to.... step away from the keyboard and think about what you are doing. FB model is clearly among the worst.
This is incredibly important and not nearly enough people are addressing this issue. I’m really happy to see folks like Rossmann going hard on right to repair, but I do think privacy takes priority. Thanks a lot for all the effort Destin!
Society doesn't need to handle things one issue at a time, there are many problems that get caused and solved in parallel. No need to put right to repair on the backburner while dealing with privacy. Actually, I think right to repair will help with a privacy movement. The political will needs to be there to commit to the idea that individuals own the technology ,and the data created with that tech, that they use in their everyday lives.
Didn’t Rossmann put out a video recently detailing that right to repair is a symptom of a larger issue that we as a society are moving away from an ownership model of “stuff”? In the right to repair realm, that’s phones, computers, and even farm equipment that only the manufacturer can repair, but it happens in software, too (lookin’ at you, Adobe). Additionally he briefly talked about how we’re seeing that in the housing market, too, investment firms buying up a bunch of homes to turn around and rent out. Data privacy is just another way in which we aren’t the “owner” of the “stuff”. It wouldn’t surprise me if our vehicles are next, and aren’t we already seeing that trend with electric vehicles where not just any mechanic can repair or maintain them? Granted, that is a bit of a different animal because they’re a wildly different technology compared to the status quo, but I could totally see companies like Tesla and Toyota moving toward keeping the maintenance and repair procedures or diagnostic tools under lock and key.
@@SampMan87 yup the bug is in the (wo)man not in the tech!
stop sharing every bugger with the world and have legislation that actually makes it harder for companies to (mis)use your meta data.
and maybe induce some big data literacy
You can’t believe how happy I am to watch this video.
I sometimes had the impression that I was paranoid with the lack of digital privacy and that I actually had to accept the change and the impact in our lives.
Watching your video, made me hopeful again that we will get this resolved in the future.
Thanks for fighting sir!
you aren't alone! I'm pretty connected and familiar with the problems of surveillance, but have been at a loss of technical knowledge to protect myself.
Would also like to say that even though you are not doing anything online that's illegal, the effect on your mental health from knowing that everything you do online is being recorded still affects us subconsciously, changing the way we behave in an unhealthy way.
In this day and age listening to doctors who disagree with politicians is illegal "misinformation", if you ever had to revolt against a government ANY mention of sedition would obvious be illegal among other things.
I was an account executive at an advertising company years ago (Like, 20 years ago). The amount of information that we had on the population was mind blowing! It was all because people voluntarily submitted information in their daily lives. And that was well before the days of Facebook, My Space etc.
it’s refreshing seeing more people that i look up to talk about this.
Talk is cheap, action is what is required but too many people aren't willing to fight for it anymore.
@@Blueknight1960 the fake news effect. you don’t know what’s real anymore. action is what Dustin just did now with this clip and their app.
Actually this has its cons too. It will be terrorists paradise. I am from India and terrorists mainly use Telegram and WhatsApp to communicate. So if this system is implemented, then it'll cause huge trouble to countries with terror threats. Ah, this will never be implemented. Mark my words.
@@kunjupulla aaa the “terrorist argument”
lret the gouvernments protect us…..
man….didn’t we learn anything from history?!??
to much power corrupts anyone.. if you hear in the media that someone is a terrorist that’s not necessarily true my friend. who armed these guys in the first place? how did they get to where they are? what drives them?
do some digging my friend. the answers are closer than you think.
freedom means freedom, it’s a state of mind, a tool if you’d like .if some people decide to do bad things under the freedom umbrella that’s not the fact that freedom is a bad thing.
@@ParallaxVisuals Yea talking and an app, that's real action there. Say bye bye to your privacy forever.
I don't get the idea of the "kickstarter" and app, I think that's a misunderstanding of the problem... The problem isn't the technology for user handled keys... The problem is what will make the tech companies keep offering their services ( and create new ones). As you say the internet runs on an engine "running" on your data. What will the internet "run" on if not for the data. When and where is their some monetary gain other than making currently free things into payed services?
same question....like what will be the business model of these companies then?
@@OhhYasssh Ads, only difference will be they're not target based on the user data but what they're sponsoring on
Exactly
@@OhhYasssh Subscription. If you look at the Kickstarter page, backing the app provides access to the service for 1 year. This suggests that access will be limited to paid subscribers. Unfortunately, another piece of data that can be tracked is users' payment to the privacy provider, meaning that governments know you're using the software and can personally subpoena you for the information instead.
Gah the video on the Kickstarter doesnt even understand how the industry collects or uses data in the first place. Destin your breaking my heart here. OP is correct, the problem isn' the technology used to handle keys, and you can already buy these solutions.
In regards to the land being owned by the government, it is a way for large companies to avoid paying taxes for several years. Long story short, the company promises to hire a certain amount of local people at certain average wages, promises to lease the land for a certain number of years, etc, etc and in exchange don't have to pay tax for a while (usually a "just" a few years) on any profits generated from that physical location. Almost every large corporation you can think of takes advantage of these programs because it (almost always) ends up being a win win situation for both the company and the local area. So it's pretty darn common.
Very interesting. Im curious if there is a site somewhere that talks about more of these arrangements/laws/kickbacks these companies get
You mean a corporation not paying taxes on something (temporarily) can be beneficial to the people in the local areas? Wow!
@@FinalStooge they hire people. People pay taxes. People needs to buy food. Town opens new stores. Stores pays taxes. And so on.
I’m sure at some point permits, violations & other inconveniences that can easily cost millions in down time daily that could potentially arise out of nowhere where the old create a problem & offer the solution will come into play because they are the go to tactics & the conversation will go along the line of “we can make all these minor issues go away, you have nothing to worry about we own the land & just need this small favor”
@@FinalStooge corporations do not pay taxes. When they do "pay taxes", they actually reduce salaries, so it is workers who actually pay. And then workers pay again (their own income taxes), and again (consumption taxes, like sale tax or VAT).
The mission you're addressing is extraordinarily important. Thank you for spreading the word about the importance and urgency of digital privacy.
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me."
"It's true that the scientific merit of this experiment is in question" is a heck of an understatement. Something that is always bizarrely left out of popular references to the boiling frog experiment is that the frogs had their brains removed beforehand. The actual noteworthy finding of the experiment was that the frogs would jump out of the water if the water was already boiling _even if their brains had been removed._
Its good knowing big notable channels are finally addressing the concerns of privacy intrusion. The channels and organizations that usually stand up for this are small and only well known within the groups of people already concerned with this stuff. imo, too much focus has been placed on federal organizations for intruding on people's privacy. We complain about the government not following their own laws and getting away with it but these tech companies are big enough and have enough data now that they should be held on the same level as the government when it comes to privacy laws. I at least think that there’s a bit higher chance in changing a government’s views and beliefs over time than there is in changing a company’s. If we don’t start forcing google, Facebook, Amazon, apple, and whatnot to stop tracking us and handling our information like it’s nothing, then it’s gonna be very hard to do it in the future when they have even more power
I want to point out that, electric cars pollute worse than gas powered cars. More coal plants required for the same grid, quarry and mines to extract metals, and dead batteries are not recyclable-
This just might be the most important video you’ve ever done. Thanks Destin.
Sure... just pay no attention to the fact he was working hand in hand with all the same companies a few years ago. He got interviews with all of them them while they were actively being sued for doing what he just described. He didn't bring it up once & his questions were more "softball" leading questions.
He had the opportunity to really grill them but he accepted the story they were feeding him...
You'd have to be a bit of a moron to store your passwords online thinking it's secure. This is a scam.
I'm so glad that it's not just people in IT (used to just be infosec) talking about this. It's not paranoia, it's how it works now.
"The great begins great, maintains itself in existence only through the free recurrence of greatness, and if it is great also comes to an end in greatness." - M. Heidegger.
You are touching in what is perhaps the central topic of our time, and it just shocked me how deep you seems committed to study and speak up about it.
Keep it up and God bless you.
Awesome!!! You actually started to talk about the elephant in the room. You will be on a Google black list in no time, but keep on going. We need influential people like you to keep bringing this problem to light. That's brings the somewhat old question back: Snowden; hero or tractor?
hero
Destin, You hit the nail! We need to start talking about this stuff openly.
My criticism of this approach seems to have been removed from TH-cam. Is that "openly" enough for you?
I cant begin to say how much I appreciate you putting this video together, and the work that you're doing in this area. Thank you so much for doing this, Destin.
I think it’s more accurate to say the internet runs on highly targeted advertising. The data part is just in service of the advertising. The question is if you take away the targeted advertising and people’s expectation that content be available to them for free remains do you still have an internet?
I’d say the frogs are the ones that decided everything should be free. Companies just found a way to make that work. There’s no such thing as a free lunch though. The solution is opening our wallets and paying for the digital content we consume. Then digital properties don’t need advertising for fuel. We did this to ourselves.
Yea I was thinking the same. I used to pay for a newspaper, now I expect that to be free and of the same quality... clearly I can't have both.
Totally agree, if we protect our data from the big techs, there no more incentive for their to provide free service to us. A real solution would be a decentralized service based on blockchain for instance, where the users pays to access and the content creators receive some part of that amount…
Point of order: targeted advertising is just one of the things that data gets used for. Ending the flow of useful meta-data entirely is probably not in the cards, but making things a little less personal and/or vulnerable for the common good is worth looking in to.
And while market forces have indeed shaped what the digital landscape looks like, other factors have complicated things considerably and to the point where there is no reasonable way for such forces to effectively recognize, let alone correct, certain problems inherent to the system as things stand.
This is actually a good point. The thing is, if we go back to the old system, we risk society collapsing as the internet has become the nervous system of modern civilization. I'm not the most knowledgeable about economics and stuff, but is there another way to have a "free internet"?
The internet runs on the ideology that it's "free" but the providers provide content without charging their customers.
It's actually possible to operate an entirely free internet, as long as the providers (assuming they can afford it and want to give that away for free) provide free content.
Think of it as inviting a bunch of friends over to a big party. Do you charge all your friends an entry fee? Are you selling snacks and drinks to all your friends?
Or, are you giving away a bunch of free entertainment, snacks and possibly some drinks in the spirit of everyone having a good time together?
Maybe you assume your friends will bring some gifts of their own to contribute?
And perhaps you trust that the friends who can afford it will in turn throw parties of their own and invite you?
The internet runs (or rather ran) on that same ideology. Everyone contributes in some way and it's not at all about money. It's about mutual entertainment.
There used to be plenty of free services on the internet where everyone was invited to share. Those services still exist in the backdrop of the modern internet, but they've all been replaced by megacorps who seem to do the same on the surface but actually make big profits off of their users data.
Imagine you went to a friends party and once you were in their home they would rob you of all your possessions and give you a cookie for participating... That's what the internet has turned into today.
It used to be better than that.
Thank you for making this critical information public.
Many people called me paranoid when I try to explain how this works. You explained it very well.
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that privacy on the internet was a real thing."
The technology that all of this is built on never had privacy in mind. It was never a consideration. I assume everything I have ever looked at online can and will come out some day and so should you.
And that is why the entire internet must be redone. It must have individual privacy as its core.
@@Xander1Sheridan Well the Constitution gets in the way of that so it was overlooked from the start.
When you’re training students to be scientists, one things that is often hard for them to understand at a fundamental level is that everything they’ve been taught is just a model and, at least for now, all these models are flawed at some level, in some way. The catechism is “models are to be used, not believed”. That same idea should be applied to tech companies (and politicians): use them but do not ever trust them
Except that you can't use most of these services without trusting them. How would that work with Google, WhatsApp, Facebook, ...?
I took a History of Natural Philosophy class in college, and the biggest take away from that was this: in order for science to begin, you have to start with no assumptions, and question everything, for your entire working life. In order for science to advance, you cannot start with no assumptions, because by the time you have caught up to those who came before, you will be on the verge of death (or retirement). In order to move forward, you have to accept what has come before. Fast forward multiple generations, though, and your risk of following a false assumption goes up dramatically, because now you're not just following an assumption, but you're following it without even being aware that it exists.
Also, you should check out Smarter Every Day 213, 214, and 215.
This is an incredibly well written, clearly thought out (unlike most TH-cam comments) and you bring up a very good closing argument! I wholeheartedly agree.
watch out, this also includes this new "clean" system. It may also have flaws
In cybersecurity we say "Trust but Verify" so seriously, I'm very seriously considering getting it tattooed to me.
Geez. Very concerning information here. Thanks for the video.
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As someone who studies US natsec law, I gotta say, with respect, SmarterEveryDay drops the ball here. At least when talking about how the Government does things.
The PA *increased* privacy & civil liberties protections, while streamlining already-existing authorities. When it expanded, it also increased P&CLs.
For example, prior to 9/11, the USG had no authority to issue Grand Jury Subpoenas for CT investigations-GJSs also didn't have Judicial oversight. When the PA came into law, this changed: Now GJSs allowed for CT, but those are now also under Court oversight. The first time the USG used its expanded authority was in 2003. Almost two years.
Another issue in the video: USP/aliens in the US, and their data *are* considered as protected by the 4th. This has never not been the case-extending to USPs outside the US.
Not only is there robust judicial oversight, but there is also Congressional: SSCI, HPSCI, HJC/SJC, etc. Who examine the Court record, and examine other executive branch oversight reports. This includes members of Congress, and their staff to visit HQ of the FBI, NSA, as well as field offices and collection sites, etc.
For Destin, I recommend the following academic materials:
On the Bulk collection of Tangible Things, David S. Kris. Indeed, I'd actually just recommend his treatise, National Security Investigations & Prosecutions 3rd edition, with Douge Wilson.
Prof. Peter Swire's testimony in the Irish High Court case, November 2, 2016. Specifically, Chapter 5 on oversight. You'll find on Alston. com