I'm not a Warhammer player, but I subscribe for useful videos like this one. Your approach to a technique is always clear and straight to the point. Well done.
Truth be told many of these youtube painters don't play Warhammer 40k either. However they know putting anything 40K related in the video will get them more hits for the algorithm because 40K gets searched more than Mantic Firefight, or Konflict 47, etc. So if you want to do a diorama video you'll get 100x the hits if you make it a Warhammer 40k diorama. Same reason most craft video's or terrain video's focus on Warhammer terrain.
This came at the perfect time. Last night I was watching Marco Frisoni’s videos on value sketching as I want to push my undercoating beyond dry brush grey, then dry brush white. I ended watching them feeling a bit overwhelmed. This feels more accessible. Thanks!
marco's a great painter and can accomplish things with a few brushstrokes that would take someone else way longer. still it inspires me to want to get better
I just started painting models but have an art background. This is how I envisioned the process to be but, glad that I can see this and now feel more confident that I am doing the right thing.
Really like this explanation on why and how to make this technique work. Lots of videos just kinda use it without giving us an understanding of why. Also the mini looks cool.
As yellow turns green over black, I recommend base coating parts you want yellow dark red first before you zenithal. It will make the shadows brown. Gives it a warm look rather than an haunting look to the yellow.
Thank you for this video! I have been playing around with underpainting but there always seemed to be something missing. I think the biggest takeaway for me is to use normal acrylic paint instead of the speed paints once I start actually painting the model. The other thing is that I always have a hard time with highlighting so these little tips are going to be extremely helpful! Now onto my Perdita crew from Malifaux and see what I can pull off!
Basic slapchop was obviously a method for the inexperienced gamer to get table ready miniatures AND nothing wrong with that. You've managed to turn it into a useful tool in the pantheon of more methodical painting techniques and that's been a useful insight to me [at least]. And also thanks for making it clear that the 'special' slapchop paints aren't strictly neccessary - a great video, cheers.
I've been using undercoating and contrast paints for quickly getting through some of the swarm enemies from Shadows of Brimstone that I would have had no hope finishing otherwise. Took far less time painting 12 void spiders with this technique than it did for me to paint 12 hellbats with washes and base colour layers.
I personally prefer using a dark brown instead of black and a warm off white instead of white when under painting. Everything comes out more saturated that way.
Regardless of whatever the current meta calls this technique, as Jay points out its a tool in your skill set. With new people coming into the hobby all the time, what seems tired and worn out to some is new to others. TBH tho, several content creators put a subtle spin on the technique which may appeal to different people. Thanks EoB!
I print black and painted from there for a long time Layers and Layers never really looked right, a zenithal helped to make colour punchy a lot quicker and acted as a guide to where things should be bright 👍
I actually really like that colour scheme, I could test it out on my sisters of battle. I was thinking of White and Pink of Black and Pink with gold as my tertiary colour.
I loved the simplicity and clarity of your video. It wasn't overloaded with too many new terms and concepts in one go and the brevity means that there's just enough info given before your brain starts to switch off! Also, can I just say that you have beautifully groomed nails and hands? :-)
Can I check in - slap chop / underbrushing and zenithal do different things? My understanding was that zenithal is the top down where light would land, but slap chop / underbrushing is dry brushing white over the entire model? It feels to me like this video is using both zenithal (targeted highlights) and slap chop?
The only problem with slapchop is that the end result is a bit muted, there arent many colors underneath, it all fades to black instead of fading to a vibrant color with a darker value. It's a good tool for some surfaces, but it wont work well on skin or wood or surfaces you want to feel alive
Try Dana Howl's variation then: Prime with white, put black wash on the recesses only, drybrush white. You should have much brighter tones yet still have nice shadows. Watch her slapchop video for *FAR* more details and other choices.
Oh No! A title written to generate views?! How many Robs out there just went "Who, me?" Used a similar under coat method to try out Contrast paints on Ork Kommandos. THey turned out a little cartoonish which is fine for Orks.
@@TwinkHerder if it works for you, great. For me, I hate the fuzzy texture that drybrushing gives especially on metallic areas. I have yet to see a slapchoped model that avoided this effect.
@@MiniPaintAdventurer if ur drybrushing leaves visible texture, yer doin sumthin wrong 🫣 maybe go watch an artis opus video on the subject, drybrushing does not have to be messy when done right…..
6:12 I feel targeted. But I will do as you ask, I tried to do it on a model once but I did not start with a black base coat, I did light grey to white, so basically it was just white and the paint was quite thick so it was basically pointless.
I would not call this Slap Chop. The White Highlight takes too much time vs all drybrush and Contrast or Speed Paints don’t need all that mixing. Good use of the word to drive views I guess.
I'm not a Warhammer player, but I subscribe for useful videos like this one. Your approach to a technique is always clear and straight to the point. Well done.
Same here, I don't collect nor play with minis, but the knowledge about panting and crafts I learn from this channel is.. Immeasurable
Truth be told many of these youtube painters don't play Warhammer 40k either. However they know putting anything 40K related in the video will get them more hits for the algorithm because 40K gets searched more than Mantic Firefight, or Konflict 47, etc. So if you want to do a diorama video you'll get 100x the hits if you make it a Warhammer 40k diorama. Same reason most craft video's or terrain video's focus on Warhammer terrain.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience! Slapchop painting is tight!
Very convenient sir
Wow. Wow wow wow
Really?
Get off my back with slap chop, will you?!
@@yesyesyesyes1600 I'll get off that thing!
@@LoftOfTheUniverse lemme*! 😅
This came at the perfect time. Last night I was watching Marco Frisoni’s videos on value sketching as I want to push my undercoating beyond dry brush grey, then dry brush white. I ended watching them feeling a bit overwhelmed. This feels more accessible. Thanks!
Indeed, Marco's work is astonishing, and he makes it look so easy. Jay's video feels very accessible.
marco's a great painter and can accomplish things with a few brushstrokes that would take someone else way longer. still it inspires me to want to get better
@@klakhouse I also like his "ALLOOOOOO!" at the start of his videos. It makes me jump every time.
"And so I challenge you, yes you... ROB!!!"
What the F!!! That was seriously intimidating!! 🤣
I will do, Jay. I promise!!!
yeah Rob, screw you!
I went looking for a rob in the comments immediately after he said that
Same reaction! I was like "how many versions of this video did Jay make, and how did google know which one to play to me?????" HAHAHAHAHAHA
Seriously, I’m just here chilling with a nice beverage trying to unwind after thanksgiving and suddenly Jay is calling me out from inside my phone.
This was pretty spooky.
I applaud your 50 Shades of Grey joke. Just slide that in there super smooth.
I am a veteran of many warhammer painting channels and this is a good one. Kudos to you sir.
super easy basing, barely an inconvenience! oh using contrast paints on bases is TIGHT!
I just started painting models but have an art background. This is how I envisioned the process to be but, glad that I can see this and now feel more confident that I am doing the right thing.
Really like this explanation on why and how to make this technique work. Lots of videos just kinda use it without giving us an understanding of why.
Also the mini looks cool.
As yellow turns green over black, I recommend base coating parts you want yellow dark red first before you zenithal. It will make the shadows brown. Gives it a warm look rather than an haunting look to the yellow.
Bro this is a major help
Super easy! Barely an inconvenience!
Oh WOW!
Wowowowow
Thank you for this video! I have been playing around with underpainting but there always seemed to be something missing. I think the biggest takeaway for me is to use normal acrylic paint instead of the speed paints once I start actually painting the model. The other thing is that I always have a hard time with highlighting so these little tips are going to be extremely helpful! Now onto my Perdita crew from Malifaux and see what I can pull off!
Really good, clear - _errrr_- primer. Thanks for posting.
Pitch Meeting references on a mini painting video are tight!
Eons - Maybe you thought purple and orange would go well together
Midwinter Minis - And i took that personally
Gosh ! Finally someone explaining that in an easy and straightforward way. Amazing video, thanks :)
Basic slapchop was obviously a method for the inexperienced gamer to get table ready miniatures AND nothing wrong with that. You've managed to turn it into a useful tool in the pantheon of more methodical painting techniques and that's been a useful insight to me [at least]. And also thanks for making it clear that the 'special' slapchop paints aren't strictly neccessary - a great video, cheers.
We need more things in life that are super-easy and barely an inconvenience.
I've been using undercoating and contrast paints for quickly getting through some of the swarm enemies from Shadows of Brimstone that I would have had no hope finishing otherwise. Took far less time painting 12 void spiders with this technique than it did for me to paint 12 hellbats with washes and base colour layers.
this is one of the best painting tutorials that isn't a painting tutorial i've ever seen for starting a model
I love the ‘pitch meeting’ quote super easy barely an inconvenience hahahaha
I personally prefer using a dark brown instead of black and a warm off white instead of white when under painting. Everything comes out more saturated that way.
OK rob
Another great video. I always enjoy the EOB take on current trends.
Would it be possible to use this technique with models that use primarily metallic paints?
Regardless of whatever the current meta calls this technique, as Jay points out its a tool in your skill set. With new people coming into the hobby all the time, what seems tired and worn out to some is new to others. TBH tho, several content creators put a subtle spin on the technique which may appeal to different people. Thanks EoB!
The shading layering trick does amazing things for mini paintings! I now have the drive to paint my Salamanders army! Thanks EOB!
Thank you for explaining it and not just making another Slap Chop is better than everything video 👊
I'm Rob and I was gonna slap chop for the first time.
That was well timed and still a little shaken.
I print black and painted from there for a long time
Layers and Layers never really looked right, a zenithal helped to make colour punchy a lot quicker and acted as a guide to where things should be bright
👍
That one dude named Rob just freaked out
Great video. Massively helpful!
Looks good.
Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
Excellent Video Jay! I learned alot from this episode. Do you have a link to the products you recommended?
Nice video plus Ryan George reference.
Wow wow wow wow wow.....
...wow
My goodness that looks incredible
I actually really like that colour scheme, I could test it out on my sisters of battle. I was thinking of White and Pink of Black and Pink with gold as my tertiary colour.
Duuuuude that's so vibrant, I love it :)
I loved the simplicity and clarity of your video. It wasn't overloaded with too many new terms and concepts in one go and the brevity means that there's just enough info given before your brain starts to switch off!
Also, can I just say that you have beautifully groomed nails and hands? :-)
What a reference! Wow wow wow wow!
Wow!
This was GREAT! Thanks 😀
Yeah Rob. I triple dog dare you!!!! Thanks gents fantastic as always!!!!
So when does the slap chop come in? I bought one of ebay and still haven't used it for painting. I was hoping you'd be able to help :(
cant you use different varnish for do a good contrast? like mat varnish all around, and bright varnish from above or on mettalic part?
Live that style of Chaos marine. Who made the model, again?
me
It's basically the same technique that the Flemish artists like van Eyck used over 500 years ago - color glazed over a monochromatic underpainting.
The Ryan George reference was tight.
Can undercoating be used to paint grey's?
Can I check in - slap chop / underbrushing and zenithal do different things? My understanding was that zenithal is the top down where light would land, but slap chop / underbrushing is dry brushing white over the entire model?
It feels to me like this video is using both zenithal (targeted highlights) and slap chop?
Bro did you zenithal the speedpaint caps and paint them? That's F'ing Genius👍🏻
Love your purple orange comment while your background lighting is purple and orange 😂
great video. the yellow looks like gold nmm and the two colour at the base has an osl effect
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I was mad I wasn’t immediately good at painting minis and then I discovered slapchop lol it’s like a cheat code
I kinda like that purple, might have to try this out for my emperor's children
How long did that paint job take you?
Hey, he said the thing!!
I like the Ryan George reference
(Jay says the line)
“Oh really?”
“That’s right sir”
As a Rob, I feel personally targeted 😂 love this technique. I use it for all my painting
Glad I'm not the only one😂
I just want someone to look at me the way you look at that miniature.
The only problem with slapchop is that the end result is a bit muted, there arent many colors underneath, it all fades to black instead of fading to a vibrant color with a darker value. It's a good tool for some surfaces, but it wont work well on skin or wood or surfaces you want to feel alive
What if instead of a solid black base you base those skin areas in dark red?
Try Dana Howl's variation then: Prime with white, put black wash on the recesses only, drybrush white. You should have much brighter tones yet still have nice shadows. Watch her slapchop video for *FAR* more details and other choices.
That's why Renaissance painters used green, brown, or yellow in their Grisaille under paintings.
@@nekrataali Don't recall who was it that suggested Purple -> Tan -> White instead of black -> Grey -> White, makes lots of sense to me
This is why I don't use transparant paints that aren't really saturated/bright. I even use my Kimera paints as transparents, and that really pops.
How the hell did you know I was watching???!!
Seriously, Called me out right at the end... ;)
Oh No! A title written to generate views?!
How many Robs out there just went "Who, me?"
Used a similar under coat method to try out Contrast paints on Ork Kommandos. THey turned out a little cartoonish which is fine for Orks.
Jay, are you saying, "It is all about the Base?" 🎶
Joe Stone Magic Mix
I love your videos
Slapchop is… fine. It’s the painting technique for people that hate painting.
I love painting and it works great for me.
@@TwinkHerder do you have a workaround for that horrible texture it leaves on the model? Especially bad looking on armor/metal areas.
@@MiniPaintAdventurer Yeah black legion contrast and then drybrush metallics.
@@TwinkHerder if it works for you, great. For me, I hate the fuzzy texture that drybrushing gives especially on metallic areas. I have yet to see a slapchoped model that avoided this effect.
@@MiniPaintAdventurer if ur drybrushing leaves visible texture, yer doin sumthin wrong 🫣 maybe go watch an artis opus video on the subject, drybrushing does not have to be messy when done right…..
Thank god you picked "ROB" and not my name for the joke at the end. I would have lost my mind
My name is Rob and you really spun me out
Unexpected Pitch Meeting reference ☺️
“You’ve heard of Kung Fu? Well get ready for SLAPCHOP!” _Ham from Toy Story 2
Can you explore some STL files and compare the models to official GW minis?
My last name is Robb so when he said “I challenge you, yes you rob” it shocked me.
Dude's the Bob Ross of Warhammer
Ok I’ll accept the challenge 😂😂😂😂
6:12 I feel targeted.
But I will do as you ask, I tried to do it on a model once but I did not start with a black base coat, I did light grey to white, so basically it was just white and the paint was quite thick so it was basically pointless.
"He knows my name!"
Wow wow wow.....wow wow.
The most beutiful noise marine
Gunna be honest, the model looks like the Barbie Dream Marine
That mini design lookin rough tbh imo
waow waow waow....................................................................waow!
Nice video, great advices, thanks!
We challenge you to a Rock Off!
Give us one chance to knock your socks off...
@@hididdlydee \m/
Phew! My name is not Rob. Lucky me!
Who's Rob?! =)
I freaked out when you said Rob!!! How did you know? Why do you say that name!?!
How did he know I was watching?! :)
Nifty
I'm sure you did this months ago and called it a super zenithal
It's worthless unless you do WHAT?
@6:10 Who? Me?!?
My name is Rob and I feel challenged
A like alone from the sneak in 50 shades of gray joke ...
Luckily for me, I am not Rob!
Zenithal is TIGHT.
I would not call this Slap Chop. The White Highlight takes too much time vs all drybrush and Contrast or Speed Paints don’t need all that mixing. Good use of the word to drive views I guess.
It’s nice…but the results always seem a little like an old B&W movie that’s been colourised 🤔
JAY WHY DID YOU SAY MY NAME AND HOW DID YOU KNOW I DONT DO THIS TECHNIQUE 06:10
How did this guy know my name?
Whoa he called me out.