Hi Ben🖐As a content creator, I'm acutely aware that not many people have the time to click on a video 50 minutes long😬(they reckon about 8 minutes is the time to go for😵)so I appreciate you and everyone for else watching🤗Cheers Del
Started with a headache ended with an aneurysm 😅 And somehow people have the gall to call construction a "low skill" vocation, this would blow 90% of the populations mind (myself included) Keep bossing it del 👍
Hi del I’m a roof tiler. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this. Very informative. You are a master craftsman. Great work buddy.
Hi there🖐I like to make my roofs as flat as possible to give the roofers the best chance of making a great finish👍This roof is been slated with A grade Spanish slate, and looks the absolute NUTS now its slated in, and its flat as a mill pond👊Appreciate you watching bud and thanks for your comment😎Cheers
Great video, this has now helped me understand the bastard hip in depth I would not be worried about tackling one myself. Some of the comments amaze me with how good other tradesman think they are and how easier they might do it but you don’t see any videos from them, thanks for taking the time out of your busy day to help us understand how you go about a bastard hip. Del you seem like a lovely bloke and a pleasure to work with all the best. Ryan 👍🏻
Hi Ryan🖐I'm really pleased my video has helped you unlock your understanding around the principles of the bastard hip🤩and yes, there is always plenty of people telling me I'm doing it wrong who don't have the balls to video themselves showing me why🤔Thanks for watching bud and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
Thanks for your kind words Paul🤗and its certainly my hope that this video, and others like it on my channel, are useful to people now and in the future🤞Cheers Del
Thank you Gerard🤩I know its a long video, but it definitely needed to be that long to get as much info across as possible, and also HAD to be a single video👍Cheers Del
Absolutely brilliant 👏. Very well explained. Even though i rewind it twice 😂. Thats a video on a bastard hip wont get old. Not a easy thing to cut in., when true hips are the normal run of the mill..only even done one myself major head scratching 😂. Hats off to you Del 👏👌🇮🇪
Hi Paul🖐I'm not gonna lie bud, the first time I came across a bastard hip, I was like a rabbit in the headlights, and didn't really have a clue where to even start😬Needless to say, I made many mistakes doing that first one which only taught me what NOT to do, and I still had a lot to work out for the next one I did👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers
In all my 23 years of doing trussed roofs hand cut roofs etc. Ive never do a bastard hipped roof. Guessing it could be a regional thing never see them in my area. Keep up the good work 🔨💥
Hi bud🖐I reckon I was over 23 years into my carpentry career before I ever had to do one🤔Certainly not common in my neck of the woods👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Very well explained video. Done a few of these before and they where head scratchers. This will defiantly help next time looking forward to trying this method. Thanks 😎
Perfect as usual. I was never as accurate as you, but have pitched many bastard hips. Both full hips. And floating hips. As with you. I start with the common rafter. That lets you work out the birdsmouth and soffit detail. I used to play with offcuts to get it right. Cut over length rafter. Set at pitch. Intersection with other pitch gives you last rafter on that side. Fix that in. You have the height of the birdsmouth from the common. So I cut a dummy hip end out of offcuts. Using a straight edge clamped to the rafter run you can move the dummy bottom about until it is in the same plane as the other pitch. That gives you the position of the bastard corner. Pin the dummy on in that position. And pull a string line from top to top of dummy. Take bevels off string line for angles of cut. You go way better than me working out exact back cut and dead centre. I would just put the side cut and call that close enough. Measure length. Cut and install. Jack cuts just work out from a roofing square 90 off the plate and a bevel. Yours would be perfect. Mine have worked many times. Difference between a tradie and a craftsman.
The exact finish of the cuts is almost irrelevant Dave, as its all held together with nails anyway👊(I admit I do like to get my cuts as tight as I can😁) What does matter is having a clear understanding, as you clearly have, of the fundamental differences between a regular hip and an irregular hip, as that is where I see a lot of guys go wrong😵As always, thanks for watching and another cool comment😎Cheers
Brilliant. I am an amateur doing a double pitch summer house. Followed ur advice and it's perfect. Thanks. Had to watch the video a few times to get it but not understand it. Thankyou
An excellent video highlighting and clearly demonstrating all the technicalities in setting out and cutting a bastard hip roof. Simple but accurate methods involving nothing more than a string line, level and bevel gauges were used. Wonderful to see how this interesting practical roofing problem is completed to perfection using them. Most grateful for sharing your knowledge and expertise- the content was most informative! Incidentally, I AM a mathematician.
Hi Jeff🖐I appreciate your great comment, and have to admit to you that I hated maths at school, and it's slightly ironic that much of my day involves adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing numbers😵💫 I have seen a few guys try and explain how to set out these hips mathematically, but there's a lot to keep up with🤯Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
There are numerous (craft) problems where a theoretical approach (using maths say) is just not applicable. This bastard hip project demonstrates that so well and it is the measure of a craftsman who can surmount difficult or novel problems using basic tools and fundamental skills. I particularly appreciate watching and learning the practical application from you and your fellow craftsmen and in that sense have the best of both worlds. Most grateful for your response and will continue to tune in to your future projects!
@@jeffbourne6015 Great comment, and you're quite right about the application of mathematics and its absolute nature being applied in a less than precise environment 😬Thanks again
I've been waiting for this awhile. THANK YOU! This is going on my favorites list. Don't worry about going long because I'm thinking that aside from myself THERE ARE MANY APPRENTICES and others who appreciate this level of detail! While every video you do interests me, roofing fascinates me. I'm going to be watching this video repeatedly. IT'S GOLD! You're definitely paying it forward!
Hi Oldtoolie🖐It's great reading your comment, and is certainly my hope that this video might help guys in the future with this, potentially, confusing bit of roof carpentry🤞Cheers Del
Thoroughly enjoyed watching you as a Fitter Welder Fabricator ,here in NZ Love to see other trades working and solving angular work problems You must be a very sought after craftsman, Subbed and liked Cheers
Hi there🖐It's always cool to have people watching from other countries, and even cooler when they have a different trade👍Appreciate you watching and thank you for subscribing🤗Cheers Del
I'm watching this at the end of November envious of a summer day like that. A masterclass in roof carpentry. I really enjoy cutting a roof. It's one of my favourite carpentry jobs, but a bastard hip is something I've never had to get my head around and I would have had a lot of 9X2 " templates " sitting on the scaffold afterwards! Thanks for a detailed video like that.
Hi Toby🖐Always great to have a fellow carpenter watchinh🤩If you were asked to do a bastard hip, would anything in my video help you get your head around what's involved🤞🤔Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Absolutely - some of the roof carpentry I had got an idea of already, but cutting the height above plate block, and offsetting the center of the hip I may or may not have got that by myself. I going to watch those bits again. 👍
Hi Jam🖐Same here bud, and it's a great little book that basically has every mathematical angle already worked out for every pitch from 15° to 60°👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
In the metric section of the book using whatever pitch page you want multiple the run of your roof by the number given for 1meter of run to get common rafter length
@@briangordon1767 Hi Brian🖐I've not actually calculated my rafter length using the run measurement, but I'm definitely going to become more familiar with it👍Cheers Del
Del with the ready reckoner the number stated for 1m rafter run on any given pitch just multiple your roof run by it Dan Cox has simplified ready reckoner for common rafters at least with the sheet he supply's with his rafter square
Absolutely brilliant video Del. been following you for ages now. your content is so enjoyable to watch and the way you explain the thought process really does help. Keep them coming!
Excellent tutorial that any apprentice should watch...well explained in real world terms. Other observation is that 99.9% of carpenters wouldn't be as fastidious about the joints and tiny gaps in a rafter layout but I can understand and relate to old school "pride in the job" Well done on a great lesson 👏👏👏
Hi there🖐Unfortunately I had a very strict carpenter as my teacher, and he would always pull me up if my cuts weren't nice and tight😬I guess it's ingrained in me ever since then to keep them that way👍Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Nice job that mate, think we're about the same age, my old gaffer when I was an apprentice was a ships carpenter by trade so it was instilled in me no gaps in your joints and his rule was you can't use powertools until you can cut the joint spot on by hand. Cutting jack rafters with a Disston , oh the Joy's.
@@tonymcroberts3252 Hi Tony🖐I'll soon be 54🤯and the guys that taught us would never have dreamed of having all the great tools we now have that make what used take a lot of skill effort and time, now pretty easy🤔
@@thetallcarpenter same here 54 in October, when i started at 16 working with the old boys i never thought I'd be that old , then in the blink of an eye i am. 🙂
@tonymcroberts3252 Don't talk about this Tony😬When the old boys I worked with told me 'life is short' at age 17, I thought, 'get lost old man, I'm gonna live forever'💪As usual, they were right🤔and here we are in our 50's in what seemed like the blink of an eye😲
Excellent work performed by a true tradesman…. You can understand why this hip is so called due to the nature of setting out, marking up and cutting it out ..(time) It,s a bastard.. aye..! Respect… KCB 👍🇬🇧😁.. (40 years in trade carpenter)
Hi buddy I actually did a bastard hip.the other week probably only 3rd one of my career same as you no serious calculations like the Americans do enjoyed doing the job and enjoyed watching you
Hi Tony🖐Bastard hips/valleys are not often used in the UK much anymore, so can be a bit of a head scratcher when you come to do one🤯Glad you found the video interesting and I appreciate your comment🤩Cheers Del
watched a few of these carpentry videos on the tube yours has to be the best in my book del you make it easy to understand well explained fantastic setting out of video and roof
Hi there🖐Your comment means a lot, as I do my best to try and keep my explanations as simple and easy to understand as possible👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Amazing work, don't think I would ever be in a position to be able to do this as a DIYer, but I can appreciate the amount of skill and experience you have to be able to do it and make it seem straight forward. Great job.
Wow information over load hat off to you del you done an amazing job I’m not even a roofer and you had me entertained for the full video I’m fascinated with the way roofs are set out thank you for this video
Hi there🖐What a great, positive comment for me to read🤩I really do enjoy thinking about and setting out roofs like this, and it's great that you've found it interesting👍Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Perfectly explained Del 👏👏 I always used to pole plate them and cut a birds mouth over that but I suppose with the structural lag screws now I would say they would do the job.
Hi Mark🖐Technically, as you say, either a pole plate or a built up plate should be used, but it's still plenty strong enough using nails and modern fixings👊Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
Hi fella, really good video Thank you very much for taking your own time to make this feature-length I would have loved to have you as my teacher..great workmanship,keep it up
Those brickwork problems are more of a challenge than the bastard hip itself lol. God bless our bricklayers. It’s always down to the carpenters to get things looking right
Loving the longer video Del. That explanation of the centre point on the hip was brilliant! The nailing bits to the underside of the main run of rafters to mark and visualise the other run was such a handy tip, better than drawing it all out on a board! The HAP block proved to be invaluable too! Cracking job💪🏻
Sometimes all it takes is one small thing to be pointed out to you to make 'the penny drop' and I'm glad you were able to follow it🤩Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
A difficult job made almost impossible by filming it one handed. I've done a few different roofs like that, I can't imagine doing it trying to hold a camera phone in my hand. Very well done, amazing really.
Mercy me! They don't call it a bastard hip for nothing, 🥴🥴 fabulous job once again big man. This is going to be one of those videos that will never date if you know what i mean. Some seriously good thinking and methods used.
I’ve Been trying to cut my offset bastard hip rafter for 3 days now…lol. Think I’m finally gonna get it thanks to your 2 videos. One thing to mention, I’ve seen while searching for help online. You could add another top plate so you would have had a birdsmouth to cut. Prob about the same amount of work as cutting the fillers underneath. Not sure which way would be better. Thanks for the help!
Hi there🖐You're absolutely right about building the plate higher for the hip end rafters to get a birdsmouth on them, but it does cause/need more work afterwards if you want the ceiling joists to run through at the lower plate level👍Glad my video helped to shed some light on this for you🤩Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
That’s a great bit of working out wish I’d known this when I was on the tools,that said you could have added extra wall plate to the steeper roof to bird mouth the rafters 👍good job mate
Hi Ron🖐You're right, I could have built the plate up to birdsmouth the steeper pitch rafters, but nailing them to the ceiling joists is actually an approved way of fixing them👍(the joists must be of a certain size though) Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
Hi John🖐Believe or not, I feel I could have done a better job of explaining the difference between the centre of the hip rafter and the centre of the hip, as the 2 are not in the same line😬but I think a reasonable roofing carpenter would probably be able to see what I was doing🤞Thanks for watching bud😎
Hi Wayne🖐I have seen a few examples of bastard hips and valleys set out in books/text, but never really been able to 'grasp' it😬Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Fantastic video! Many thanks to you! Really enjoy seeing your practical solutions and no nonsense commentary. I was intrigued to see you lay the crown rafter up so that the underside of the rafter could be used as a rod: I do this all the time on roofs. I generally tack a couple of 4 x 2 off-cuts (to stand in for the HAP) on the plate and lay the template rafter on top and over the ridge; you can then mark both plumb cuts and the seat cut with a bit of batten. Both the bird's mouth and ridge cuts are always spot on. No ready reckoners, new-fangled apps. or expensive roofing squares needed! Another thing: I notice you sport a gas pipe hammer holder/loop. Who came up with those I wonder? I've had mine for years; they're indestructible. Might be worthy of a 'short' or 'how to' video in the future... Much obliged to you!
Hi Chippy Chappy🖐Thanks so much for watching and your great comment👊It's always great to know that I have other, experienced carpenters watching and contributing to my content🤩I only just saw the other great comment you left on my hipped end setting out video, and again, your comment shows you get your roofing, and we do things, mentally, very similar🤯Oh, and all the old chippies I worked with had the good old gas pipe hammer holder on the side of a 2 compartment nail pouch👌I should follow your suggestion, and do a video on them🤔Many thanks😎Del
Am i the only one who noticed the flash bang with the push bikes 🤣. Great informative video. My experience with roofing is one day its all a bit confusing and then one day you wake up, it all clicks and makes sense
Hi there🖐I think the main thing is understanding where the true top and bottom of the hip are, and then work from those points👍Thanks for your comment and for watching🤩Cheers
Sorry i couldnt watch it al because its what i do all day everyday , strike your hip through the corner of the face brickwork , this should make the soffit shallower along the steeper pitch but this will be compensated by having a higher fascia for more kick on the tiles , basically within a knats the soffit will come out the same , sometimes a sprocket is required or just accept a change in soffit depth . 30 years everyday and i very rarely set out a bastard via the soffit but i you must then strike your hip through that point . Brickwork at this level is rarely good so i always try and lose any discrepancy in the soffit , an eye will pick up 10mm in fascia movement from the ground or any roll off in the tile kick but never see’s a change in soffit depth you can lose 30-40 mm in 5m , sometimes you have to 🤷🏻♂️ Good work mate keep it up 👍
As with most things, sometimes all you need is one small tip to make the 'penny drop'👍As you well know, its no easy feat to try and get across in a video what's rattling around in your head🙃Thanks for watching and hopefully be doing a video with you guys soon😎
hi when we learnt to cut a roof at college we were only allowed a hammer, a saw , a couple of chisels, a square and two bevels, if we had to make an adjustment to a cut we were only allowed to shave it with the saw like the old boys planes were for joiners
Bastsrd hips or valley are also called dual pitch in the states the americans work bastard hips from the fascia line del im watching your video again love ❤️ your videos
Wish i'd seen this 3 weeks ago. Had a guy here in Ireland trying to get a 40degree r😁un to work with a 27 degree. Basically all he did for most of the day was make firewood out of my timbers.Had to bodge it in the end.
Sounds like a nightmare Kieran😵💫and a similar situation to the other video I mentioned😬Ironically, the pitch difference on your roof was very similar to the pitch difference in my roof. (Yours was 13° and mine was 11°) sounds like you got it close enough for the roofers though bud👊 (I was in Ireland at the weekend 🍻🍻) Cheers Del
There are very few proper carpenters left in Ireland. Mostly what you have is bluffers, chancers and fly by nights. They haven't a clue but their cheap so they get the work.
You can just imagine in 20 years time when the home is being extended again the builder or roofer opening it up and saying 'Ahhh this was Del who did this look at those tight perfect joints on that Bastard' and the apprentices sniggering but it is true that if you are going to do it, do it once and do it properly.
Hi Mike🖐Well it's funny you should say that, because that's exactly why I like to keep all my work as neat as I can👍Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
Looks spot on that pal. Why didn’t you stick a timber on top of the wall plate on the hip end so it would’ve catched a birds mouth as appose to floating ?
Hi Liam🖐I think putting extra timber on the plate to build it up is not necessary and creates more work both cutting birds mouths and then having to fix hangers to it to take the ceiling joists. Nailing the rafters to the side of the ceiling joists is a structurally approved method, is quick and strong👍Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Love your work del. Always learn new ways of working things out when I watch your videos! Have you ever used or heard of construction master calculator? I use it all the time now. Just done a 50deg to 70 deg valley and using the calculator I can enter both pitches and it will give me plumb and seat cuts for the hip and also the cheek cut angles. I've found it very useful when doing bastard hips and valleys etc. Wouldn't mind showing you some day if wanted to see etc. Quality work again! Also when I do the steep jack cuts ill cut the angle for the shallower side opposite to the way I want my steep bevel to be, then run along that cut with circ saw set to 90 if you understand me?! Cheers. Adam.
Hi Adam🖐Yes, I have heard of the construction calculator but never looked into getting/using one as I get on alright without it😬but that's not to say, as you suggest, that it won't make things easier for me if I learned how to use one🤔 And I do know what you mean about achieving the 61° cut by passing the saw through a 29° cut with the saw set at 90° as its a method I use and will be showing in a future video👍Thanks for your great comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
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exceptional vid del really interesting to watch a true craftsman at work gotta luv a handcut roof done to a top notch level
Hi there🖐Your comment is very kind🤗and I appreciate you watching the video🤩Cheers
Del please don’t apologise for the length of your video. 50 mins of awesome! Loved it, old school, no maths … keep up the great content.
Hi Ben🖐As a content creator, I'm acutely aware that not many people have the time to click on a video 50 minutes long😬(they reckon about 8 minutes is the time to go for😵)so I appreciate you and everyone for else watching🤗Cheers Del
Started with a headache ended with an aneurysm 😅
And somehow people have the gall to call construction a "low skill" vocation, this would blow 90% of the populations mind (myself included)
Keep bossing it del 👍
Sorry for the brain strain bud🤯and I agree, there is a lot of extremely clever people in the building trades👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers
Hi del I’m a roof tiler. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thanks so much for taking the time to make this. Very informative. You are a master craftsman. Great work buddy.
Hi there🖐I like to make my roofs as flat as possible to give the roofers the best chance of making a great finish👍This roof is been slated with A grade Spanish slate, and looks the absolute NUTS now its slated in, and its flat as a mill pond👊Appreciate you watching bud and thanks for your comment😎Cheers
Great video, this has now helped me understand the bastard hip in depth I would not be worried about tackling one myself. Some of the comments amaze me with how good other tradesman think they are and how easier they might do it but you don’t see any videos from them, thanks for taking the time out of your busy day to help us understand how you go about a bastard hip. Del you seem like a lovely bloke and a pleasure to work with all the best.
Ryan 👍🏻
Hi Ryan🖐I'm really pleased my video has helped you unlock your understanding around the principles of the bastard hip🤩and yes, there is always plenty of people telling me I'm doing it wrong who don't have the balls to video themselves showing me why🤔Thanks for watching bud and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
Wasn't planning on watching the entire video but i am glad i did solving issues is a gift
Hi there🖐Thanks for watching the video all the through🤩and for your comment😎Cheers Del
Well del that was very nicely explained and the cut bits of timber
To show what is happening was brilliant 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Hi John🖐I'm glad those little off cuts helped with my explanations👊Cheers
Hi del the knowledge your sharing for future chippies is brilliant. Loved the video thanks for taking the time to make it.
Thanks for your kind words Paul🤗and its certainly my hope that this video, and others like it on my channel, are useful to people now and in the future🤞Cheers Del
Great video del. It needed all 50 mins and was well worth it, more of this type of stuff please. 👌
Thank you Gerard🤩I know its a long video, but it definitely needed to be that long to get as much info across as possible, and also HAD to be a single video👍Cheers Del
Absolutely brilliant 👏. Very well explained. Even though i rewind it twice 😂. Thats a video on a bastard hip wont get old. Not a easy thing to cut in., when true hips are the normal run of the mill..only even done one myself major head scratching 😂. Hats off to you Del 👏👌🇮🇪
Hi Paul🖐I'm not gonna lie bud, the first time I came across a bastard hip, I was like a rabbit in the headlights, and didn't really have a clue where to even start😬Needless to say, I made many mistakes doing that first one which only taught me what NOT to do, and I still had a lot to work out for the next one I did👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers
In all my 23 years of doing trussed roofs hand cut roofs etc. Ive never do a bastard hipped roof. Guessing it could be a regional thing never see them in my area. Keep up the good work 🔨💥
Hi bud🖐I reckon I was over 23 years into my carpentry career before I ever had to do one🤔Certainly not common in my neck of the woods👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Very well explained video. Done a few of these before and they where head scratchers. This will defiantly help next time looking forward to trying this method. Thanks 😎
I really hope the hext one you do is plain sailing Matt🤞and glad you were able to follow what I was saying👌Cheers Del
Thanks for taking the time to video and explain, that was a lot of effort on your part for us viewers.
The pleasure is all mine Gary🤩especially when I get great comments like this👊Cheers Del
Thank you Del for taking the time to bring us another brilliant video. 50 minutes of quality, enjoyed every second of it
Hi Dermot🖐It's my pleasure bud, and I appreciate you watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
Great job as usual Del, very informative. Thanks for explaining a pretty complex job in an understandable way.👍
My pleasure bud🤗and thanks for clicking my 50 minute video🤩Cheers Del
Perfect as usual. I was never as accurate as you, but have pitched many bastard hips. Both full hips. And floating hips. As with you. I start with the common rafter. That lets you work out the birdsmouth and soffit detail. I used to play with offcuts to get it right. Cut over length rafter. Set at pitch. Intersection with other pitch gives you last rafter on that side. Fix that in. You have the height of the birdsmouth from the common. So I cut a dummy hip end out of offcuts. Using a straight edge clamped to the rafter run you can move the dummy bottom about until it is in the same plane as the other pitch. That gives you the position of the bastard corner. Pin the dummy on in that position. And pull a string line from top to top of dummy. Take bevels off string line for angles of cut. You go way better than me working out exact back cut and dead centre. I would just put the side cut and call that close enough. Measure length. Cut and install. Jack cuts just work out from a roofing square 90 off the plate and a bevel. Yours would be perfect. Mine have worked many times. Difference between a tradie and a craftsman.
The exact finish of the cuts is almost irrelevant Dave, as its all held together with nails anyway👊(I admit I do like to get my cuts as tight as I can😁) What does matter is having a clear understanding, as you clearly have, of the fundamental differences between a regular hip and an irregular hip, as that is where I see a lot of guys go wrong😵As always, thanks for watching and another cool comment😎Cheers
Brilliant. I am an amateur doing a double pitch summer house. Followed ur advice and it's perfect. Thanks. Had to watch the video a few times to get it but not understand it. Thankyou
Hi there🖐I'm glad you found the video helpful👍and it's awesome that as an 'amateur' you did a job like this👊Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
thank you for all the contents sir . your are man amigo
Hi Esteban🖐I appreciate your lovely comment bud🤗and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
An excellent video highlighting and clearly demonstrating all the technicalities in setting out and cutting a bastard hip roof. Simple but accurate methods involving nothing more than a string line, level and bevel gauges were used. Wonderful to see how this interesting practical roofing problem is completed to perfection using them. Most grateful for sharing your knowledge and expertise- the content was most informative! Incidentally, I AM a mathematician.
Hi Jeff🖐I appreciate your great comment, and have to admit to you that I hated maths at school, and it's slightly ironic that much of my day involves adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing numbers😵💫 I have seen a few guys try and explain how to set out these hips mathematically, but there's a lot to keep up with🤯Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
There are numerous (craft) problems where a theoretical approach (using maths say) is just not applicable. This bastard hip project demonstrates that so well and it is the measure of a craftsman who can surmount difficult or novel problems using basic tools and fundamental skills. I particularly appreciate watching and learning the practical application from you and your fellow craftsmen and in that sense have the best of both worlds. Most grateful for your response and will continue to tune in to your future projects!
@@jeffbourne6015 Great comment, and you're quite right about the application of mathematics and its absolute nature being applied in a less than precise environment 😬Thanks again
Watched every minute Del , didn’t understand a single one but thoroughly enjoyed them all 🤣🧱👍🏼
Aww, thanks Steve🤗Any news on your surgery yet🤔
I've been waiting for this awhile. THANK YOU! This is going on my favorites list. Don't worry about going long because I'm thinking that aside from myself THERE ARE MANY APPRENTICES and others who appreciate this level of detail! While every video you do interests me, roofing fascinates me. I'm going to be watching this video repeatedly. IT'S GOLD! You're definitely paying it forward!
Hi Oldtoolie🖐It's great reading your comment, and is certainly my hope that this video might help guys in the future with this, potentially, confusing bit of roof carpentry🤞Cheers Del
just started a barstad hip and a funky valley , you sir have put my head back in the game best of luck
Hi Reza🖐Hope you get on great bud👊Cheers Del
Thoroughly enjoyed watching you as a Fitter Welder Fabricator ,here in NZ Love to see other trades working and solving angular work problems You must be a very sought after craftsman, Subbed and liked Cheers
Hi there🖐It's always cool to have people watching from other countries, and even cooler when they have a different trade👍Appreciate you watching and thank you for subscribing🤗Cheers Del
That was absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for this. top, top work!
I'm glad you liked the video bud🤩and thank you for your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
Once again a masterclass. Cheers Del. 🍻 I
Cheers Brian🤗appreciate your comment bud 😎
I'm watching this at the end of November envious of a summer day like that. A masterclass in roof carpentry. I really enjoy cutting a roof. It's one of my favourite carpentry jobs, but a bastard hip is something I've never had to get my head around and I would have had a lot of 9X2 " templates " sitting on the scaffold afterwards! Thanks for a detailed video like that.
Hi Toby🖐Always great to have a fellow carpenter watchinh🤩If you were asked to do a bastard hip, would anything in my video help you get your head around what's involved🤞🤔Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Absolutely - some of the roof carpentry I had got an idea of already, but cutting the height above plate block, and offsetting the center of the hip I may or may not have got that by myself. I going to watch those bits again. 👍
@tmwoodhams As I said in the video Toby, I've only done a couple in my whole career😲so I learn something new each time I do one👊Cheers again bud🤩
The Legend who taught me always worked out roofs with a small book called Ready Roof Reckoner. 25years later i still have no idea how it works 😂
Hi Jam🖐Same here bud, and it's a great little book that basically has every mathematical angle already worked out for every pitch from 15° to 60°👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Top man Del
In the metric section of the book using whatever pitch page you want multiple the run of your roof by the number given for 1meter of run to get common rafter length
@@briangordon1767 Hi Brian🖐I've not actually calculated my rafter length using the run measurement, but I'm definitely going to become more familiar with it👍Cheers Del
Del with the ready reckoner the number stated for 1m rafter run on any given pitch just multiple your roof run by it Dan Cox has simplified ready reckoner for common rafters at least with the sheet he supply's with his rafter square
Absolutely brilliant video Del. been following you for ages now. your content is so enjoyable to watch and the way you explain the thought process really does help. Keep them coming!
Thanks for your comment Luke🤩and I'm glad you can follow what I'm doing👍Cheers Del
You worked late because you took time to video it all for us. Top man 👍
It's all part of the service Philip🤔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
That little effect when the bikers rode by got me haha good job explaining this with out any math . This is Awesome!
I thought I'd spice the video up a little with some special effects🤩Thanks for watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
Excellent tutorial that any apprentice should watch...well explained in real world terms. Other observation is that 99.9% of carpenters wouldn't be as fastidious about the joints and tiny gaps in a rafter layout but I can understand and relate to old school "pride in the job" Well done on a great lesson 👏👏👏
Hi there🖐Unfortunately I had a very strict carpenter as my teacher, and he would always pull me up if my cuts weren't nice and tight😬I guess it's ingrained in me ever since then to keep them that way👍Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Nice job that mate, think we're about the same age, my old gaffer when I was an apprentice was a ships carpenter by trade so it was instilled in me no gaps in your joints and his rule was you can't use powertools until you can cut the joint spot on by hand. Cutting jack rafters with a Disston , oh the Joy's.
@@tonymcroberts3252 Hi Tony🖐I'll soon be 54🤯and the guys that taught us would never have dreamed of having all the great tools we now have that make what used take a lot of skill effort and time, now pretty easy🤔
@@thetallcarpenter same here 54 in October, when i started at 16 working with the old boys i never thought I'd be that old , then in the blink of an eye i am. 🙂
@tonymcroberts3252 Don't talk about this Tony😬When the old boys I worked with told me 'life is short' at age 17, I thought, 'get lost old man, I'm gonna live forever'💪As usual, they were right🤔and here we are in our 50's in what seemed like the blink of an eye😲
Excellent work performed by a true tradesman….
You can understand why this hip is so called due to the nature of setting out, marking up and cutting it out ..(time)
It,s a bastard.. aye..!
Respect… KCB 👍🇬🇧😁.. (40 years in trade carpenter)
Hi KCB🖐Appreciate your comment🙏and you're quite right about how aptly named this type of hip is🤓Cheers Del
Hi buddy I actually did a bastard hip.the other week probably only 3rd one of my career same as you no serious calculations like the Americans do enjoyed doing the job and enjoyed watching you
Hi Tony🖐Bastard hips/valleys are not often used in the UK much anymore, so can be a bit of a head scratcher when you come to do one🤯Glad you found the video interesting and I appreciate your comment🤩Cheers Del
watched a few of these carpentry videos on the tube
yours has to be the best in my book
del you make it easy to understand
well explained
fantastic setting out of video and roof
Hi there🖐Your comment means a lot, as I do my best to try and keep my explanations as simple and easy to understand as possible👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
absolutely brilliant, sir. I very much appreciate the time and effort that you put into making this video.....
Hi Otto🖐Thanks for watching and your comment🤩Cheers Del
Amazing work, don't think I would ever be in a position to be able to do this as a DIYer, but I can appreciate the amount of skill and experience you have to be able to do it and make it seem straight forward. Great job.
Thanks for your comment Bruce🤩And I didn't always find things straight forward😵Cheers Del
Wow information over load hat off to you del you done an amazing job I’m not even a roofer and you had me entertained for the full video I’m fascinated with the way roofs are set out thank you for this video
Hi there🖐What a great, positive comment for me to read🤩I really do enjoy thinking about and setting out roofs like this, and it's great that you've found it interesting👍Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Perfectly explained Del 👏👏 I always used to pole plate them and cut a birds mouth over that but I suppose with the structural lag screws now I would say they would do the job.
Hi Mark🖐Technically, as you say, either a pole plate or a built up plate should be used, but it's still plenty strong enough using nails and modern fixings👊Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
Cheers Dell, I’ve really enjoyed that. Just what the Dr ordered. The hips don’t lie 👍
Thanks you Shakira😆Appreciate you watching bud, and your comment🤩Cheers Del
Hi fella, really good video Thank you very much for taking your own time to make this feature-length I would have loved to have you as my teacher..great workmanship,keep it up
Hi there🖐I appreciate great comments like yours as it helps me stay motivated to keep making the videos👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Holy cow! Need to watch this 100 times! Probably when I’ve had no beers!? 🤦♂️🤣
I think I can safely say SF, that alcohol will NOT make this video clearer😆Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Those brickwork problems are more of a challenge than the bastard hip itself lol. God bless our bricklayers. It’s always down to the carpenters to get things looking right
Hi Luke🖐Yes, on many occasions, the bricklayers will add extra things for us carpenters to think about🙃Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Loving the longer video Del. That explanation of the centre point on the hip was brilliant! The nailing bits to the underside of the main run of rafters to mark and visualise the other run was such a handy tip, better than drawing it all out on a board! The HAP block proved to be invaluable too!
Cracking job💪🏻
Sometimes all it takes is one small thing to be pointed out to you to make 'the penny drop' and I'm glad you were able to follow it🤩Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter yeah, It was brilliant. Loved every minute !
@@Wattsjoinerybarn 👌😎
A difficult job made almost impossible by filming it one handed. I've done a few different roofs like that, I can't imagine doing it trying to hold a camera phone in my hand. Very well done, amazing really.
Hi Gerry🖐Thanks for your comment🤗and sometimes I do wish I could have a camera man on the payroll😢Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Del, if you are ever around London working I'll come and help you film for free. Love your channel.
Mercy me! They don't call it a bastard hip for nothing, 🥴🥴 fabulous job once again big man. This is going to be one of those videos that will never date if you know what i mean. Some seriously good thinking and methods used.
Appreciate you continual support of me and the channel John🤩Thanks bud
Absolutely splendid explanation.
Thank you Eduard🤩
Beautiful work and education Del. Thank you
Thank you for clicking on av50 minute video bud🤗
Greatly appreciated del great work as always a true craftsman
It's my pleasure to make a video like this bud👍and I appreciate you watching and your comment🤩Cheers Del
I’ve Been trying to cut my offset bastard hip rafter for 3 days now…lol. Think I’m finally gonna get it thanks to your 2 videos. One thing to mention, I’ve seen while searching for help online. You could add another top plate so you would have had a birdsmouth to cut. Prob about the same amount of work as cutting the fillers underneath. Not sure which way would be better. Thanks for the help!
Hi there🖐You're absolutely right about building the plate higher for the hip end rafters to get a birdsmouth on them, but it does cause/need more work afterwards if you want the ceiling joists to run through at the lower plate level👍Glad my video helped to shed some light on this for you🤩Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Brilliant job thanks for all the knowledge and experience big man 👍
Its my pleasure to share it with everyone Robert🤗Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del
That’s a great bit of working out wish I’d known this when I was on the tools,that said you could have added extra wall plate to the steeper roof to bird mouth the rafters 👍good job mate
Hi Ron🖐You're right, I could have built the plate up to birdsmouth the steeper pitch rafters, but nailing them to the ceiling joists is actually an approved way of fixing them👍(the joists must be of a certain size though) Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
You're a legend Del. Love the little cyclist bit.😂
Cheers Adam🤩I've got nothing against cyclists, as I am one myself👊Thanks for watching bud 😎
Fantastic you now when you can troubleshoot a roofs like that your clarify as a true craftsmen of you craft big guy 👏👏🙌🙌🔥🔥
You're too kind Charranjit🤗Take care fella🤩
you're a genius! great work.
Hi David🖐Thanks for watching bud and your great comment🤩Cheers Del
Great video Del !!! Very enjoyable , thank you !!
My pleasure Michael🤩As always, appreciate your support bud🤗Cheers
Fantastic video Del. Very Informative.
Thank you🤩I appreciate you watching and your comment😎Cheers
Well done Del when you see it done it looks straight forward 👍👏🇮🇪☘️🤔😁
Hi John🖐Believe or not, I feel I could have done a better job of explaining the difference between the centre of the hip rafter and the centre of the hip, as the 2 are not in the same line😬but I think a reasonable roofing carpenter would probably be able to see what I was doing🤞Thanks for watching bud😎
Superb job Del, and a great video. 🙌🏻.
Much better technical job compared to the one I done. 😬.
Thanks for the mention too 🤝
🚴🏼💥🚴🏼♂️🔫
Cheers Dan🤗I hope it made sense to you🤞Thanks for watching bud🤩
@@thetallcarpenter 🤩🫡
Got a book on bustard hips and valley and height above plate also the roof and ready reckoner nice job you have done lovely workmanship
Hi Wayne🖐I have seen a few examples of bastard hips and valleys set out in books/text, but never really been able to 'grasp' it😬Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Wow , loved your explanation, how good did that turn out , well done
Yeah Paul, it turned pretty sweet👊Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
yes dell that was a very complex job but as always you made it look easy
Hi Stevie🖐I don't know if it came across in the video, but I really enjoy this kind of work👊Thanks for watching bud🤩Cheers Del
Top job again Del. 🚴👍
Thanks for watching Barry🤩Cheers Del
Very informative video, very helpful👏🏻👏🏻
Glad you watched it and found it interesting🤩Cheers Del
Fantastic video! Many thanks to you! Really enjoy seeing your practical solutions and no nonsense commentary.
I was intrigued to see you lay the crown rafter up so that the underside of the rafter could be used as a rod: I do this all the time on roofs. I generally tack a couple of 4 x 2 off-cuts (to stand in for the HAP) on the plate and lay the template rafter on top and over the ridge; you can then mark both plumb cuts and the seat cut with a bit of batten. Both the bird's mouth and ridge cuts are always spot on. No ready reckoners, new-fangled apps. or expensive roofing squares needed!
Another thing: I notice you sport a gas pipe hammer holder/loop. Who came up with those I wonder? I've had mine for years; they're indestructible. Might be worthy of a 'short' or 'how to' video in the future...
Much obliged to you!
Hi Chippy Chappy🖐Thanks so much for watching and your great comment👊It's always great to know that I have other, experienced carpenters watching and contributing to my content🤩I only just saw the other great comment you left on my hipped end setting out video, and again, your comment shows you get your roofing, and we do things, mentally, very similar🤯Oh, and all the old chippies I worked with had the good old gas pipe hammer holder on the side of a 2 compartment nail pouch👌I should follow your suggestion, and do a video on them🤔Many thanks😎Del
Am i the only one who noticed the flash bang with the push bikes 🤣.
Great informative video.
My experience with roofing is one day its all a bit confusing and then one day you wake up, it all clicks and makes sense
You're spot on Tom👊It depends which way the winds blowing some days😵💫Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Great explanation though just watched the whole video!! Thanks
Hi BB🖐Appreciate you watching bud, and glad you found it interesting 🤩Cheers Del
Del, Well done a real Masterclass Bob (Weston super Mare)
Thanks Bob🤗Great to have you watching 👀
Excellent work and explanation as always Del Boy, best part was when you shot those two cyclists 🤣🤣🤣🙌👏👊
I'm glad you liked the cyclist 'attacks'😁Thanks for watching bud🤩Cheers
great video Del done one a few years ago real head scratcher would have a better idea now but great job again enjoy your videos
Hi there🖐I think the main thing is understanding where the true top and bottom of the hip are, and then work from those points👍Thanks for your comment and for watching🤩Cheers
More than reasonable job Del as always
Nice one Kevin😎Thanks for watching 👊
Wow man. Excellent video!
Appreciate your comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter no worries mate.. I’ll be watching this video more than once that’s for sure… quality explanation
Lol del that shit me up with the explosions with the people on bikes 😅😅😅😅 great vid matey😁👍👌👋
Hi John🖐Youcan tell I was getting bored during the editing process🙃💥Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
You’re a clever lad Del Boy. (Also Nice work sorting those bastard cyclists) 👍
Hi Philip🖐I'm glad you like how I deal with cyclists🤪Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Brilliant mate, I sometime double up the wall plate or under rafter, but awesome job, top effort buddy 🙌🏻👍🏼
Hi there🖐Appreciate the comment from a fellow carpenter🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Brilliant job . Well done.
Thank you🤩Appreciate your comment 😎Cheers Del
Sorry i couldnt watch it al because its what i do all day everyday , strike your hip through the corner of the face brickwork , this should make the soffit shallower along the steeper pitch but this will be compensated by having a higher fascia for more kick on the tiles , basically within a knats the soffit will come out the same , sometimes a sprocket is required or just accept a change in soffit depth .
30 years everyday and i very rarely set out a bastard via the soffit but i you must then strike your hip through that point . Brickwork at this level is rarely good so i always try and lose any discrepancy in the soffit , an eye will pick up 10mm in fascia movement from the ground or any roll off in the tile kick but never see’s a change in soffit depth you can lose 30-40 mm in 5m , sometimes you have to 🤷🏻♂️
Good work mate keep it up 👍
Brilliant well done. Love it 🎉🎉
Keep up the training to all.
Nice to see a regular and irregular.
Next time your irregular I suggest bran flakes.😂
Great comment Tim🤣My hips are also like my constitution🤔regular most of the time, and irregular on the odd occasion💩😁Thanks for watching👊
Great video, well done .
Cheers Mark🤩Thanks for watching 😎
Brilliant video well explained
Cheers Nigel😎and thanks for watching 👍
Great job, well done.
Cheers Jim🤩Thanks for watching bud 😎
Quality work as always ...
Thanks for watching Karl🤗Cheers Del
brushing up on my roofing - timely video!
I hope the video helps bud🤞Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
I shall probably end up watching this 3 or 4 times to understand it.
As with most things, sometimes all you need is one small tip to make the 'penny drop'👍As you well know, its no easy feat to try and get across in a video what's rattling around in your head🙃Thanks for watching and hopefully be doing a video with you guys soon😎
hi when we learnt to cut a roof at college we were only allowed a hammer, a saw , a couple of chisels, a square and two bevels, if we had to make an adjustment to a cut we were only allowed to shave it with the saw like the old boys planes were for joiners
Hi there🖐Exactly how I did at college and at work👍Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
nice one buddy. great job.
Cheers😎Thanks for watching👍
Brilliant stuff!
Cheers James🤩
another great video del
Thanks for watching Neil😎Cheers
Very very nice work
True craftsmanship
I appreciate your comment🤗and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Bastsrd hips or valley are also called dual pitch in the states the americans work bastard hips from the fascia line del im watching your video again love ❤️ your videos
It's great to have you watching Wayne🤩and I have done some roof framing during my stay in the US back in the early 90's👍Cheers Del
Wish i'd seen this 3 weeks ago. Had a guy here in Ireland trying to get a 40degree r😁un to work with a 27 degree. Basically all he did for most of the day was make firewood out of my timbers.Had to bodge it in the end.
Sounds like a nightmare Kieran😵💫and a similar situation to the other video I mentioned😬Ironically, the pitch difference on your roof was very similar to the pitch difference in my roof. (Yours was 13° and mine was 11°) sounds like you got it close enough for the roofers though bud👊 (I was in Ireland at the weekend 🍻🍻) Cheers Del
There are very few proper carpenters left in Ireland. Mostly what you have is bluffers, chancers and fly by nights. They haven't a clue but their cheap so they get the work.
@@Toyotaamazon80series 😔
Great stuff Del
Thank you Lester🤗
Never done one yet but i know now for when i do 👍
Well I hope my video is useful for when you finally get to do one🤞Cheers Del
Tasty work as always
Thank you O'O'👊
You can just imagine in 20 years time when the home is being extended again the builder or roofer opening it up and saying 'Ahhh this was Del who did this look at those tight perfect joints on that Bastard' and the apprentices sniggering but it is true that if you are going to do it, do it once and do it properly.
Hi Mike🖐Well it's funny you should say that, because that's exactly why I like to keep all my work as neat as I can👍Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
F F S, Del you lost me after 5 minutes lol lol 😅😅😊
Sorry about that Carl🤪Hope you are well mate and thanks for watching 😎
Excellent. For a bastard valley, same procedure but stand on your head!
I hope so bud, as I've yet to do one😬Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Great vid Del, ive Google translated to Klingon , i get it now 😄👍👌
Nice one Andy🤪Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers
Looks spot on that pal. Why didn’t you stick a timber on top of the wall plate on the hip end so it would’ve catched a birds mouth as appose to floating ?
Hi Liam🖐I think putting extra timber on the plate to build it up is not necessary and creates more work both cutting birds mouths and then having to fix hangers to it to take the ceiling joists. Nailing the rafters to the side of the ceiling joists is a structurally approved method, is quick and strong👍Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter that’s fair enough pal not much weight either is there! Thanks for the reply
Also what was that flash as 2 cyclists went past in the background at 21min 25 sec
Just a bit of fun with some editing effects Frank🙃Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Love your work del. Always learn new ways of working things out when I watch your videos! Have you ever used or heard of construction master calculator? I use it all the time now. Just done a 50deg to 70 deg valley and using the calculator I can enter both pitches and it will give me plumb and seat cuts for the hip and also the cheek cut angles. I've found it very useful when doing bastard hips and valleys etc. Wouldn't mind showing you some day if wanted to see etc. Quality work again! Also when I do the steep jack cuts ill cut the angle for the shallower side opposite to the way I want my steep bevel to be, then run along that cut with circ saw set to 90 if you understand me?! Cheers. Adam.
Hi Adam🖐Yes, I have heard of the construction calculator but never looked into getting/using one as I get on alright without it😬but that's not to say, as you suggest, that it won't make things easier for me if I learned how to use one🤔 And I do know what you mean about achieving the 61° cut by passing the saw through a 29° cut with the saw set at 90° as its a method I use and will be showing in a future video👍Thanks for your great comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del