@@louiev.3367 just practice and practice man im sure you'll get it eventually. it took me literal months to hit one and make it consistent. ong one of the hardest combos in the game
Dawg I picked up Steve being totally new to tekken he already stole my heart when I saw he's a boxer and even more when I leanred he's has a combination of stances like hitman style, peekaboo and has real moves dempsey roll, white fang (not real but it's basically from hajime no ippo)
I think the reason Steve and any boxer in most fighting games don't have grond punishers is because they're boxers. In boxing once an opponent is down you walk to your corner and wait till they are able to go. Though respectable and awesome most fighting games respect that rule for their boxing character it put them at a big disadvantage being unable to punish the opponent from the knockdown. As a Steve main I agree you gotta put work in 😂😂
Pakistani players say the same and set the example with Akuma: Akuma can be a difficult character to master due to his high execution. But Steve is on another level of difficulty because of his hard gameplay. If I want to execute the gatling gun as a combo ender, before playing Tekken, I have to do a hand warm-up exercise before touching the arcade stick, then practice that combo ender for 5 or 10 minutes, so that my execution can be optimal. There is no other way that works for me. Steve feels like a character who has everything against him, because most of the roster matchups are unfavorable to him. But despite everything, he is the character that has given me the most satisfaction in the game. Perhaps the best character a fighting game could have imho.
He doesn’t have a lot of bad match up, except marduk and may be feng. He is good on the top level, because he will punish u very hard in small tekken, like 112 and ws 12. And i13 b1 for ch fishing. But on low-medium level he is way too hard, because of no big lows for opening, no safe mid launchers, no plus frames except charged duck 2, terrible punishment, no easy combos from ws2, dif execution.
@@bullseye7721 With the nerfs that have been applied to Steve, he has ended up with far fewer options to deal with the match up of most of the roster, which has made him a much more difficult character to master. Many Steve mains who play at a high level have mentioned it. Characters like Ganryu, Kunimitsu, Claudio, Alisa, have a lot of advantage over Steve, apart from the aforementioned: Feng, Marduk, Zafina, Akuma, or Geese. In low-mid level it's difficult, because you are on the way to know your character and you necessarily have to have experience dealing with the full roster matchup. When you manage to have an experienced Steve, you realize that many of the options you already had cannot be applied every time because they are very risky, no matter how much Steve is "low risk, high reward" kind of character. The hardest thing to do with Steve at high level of play is to be unpredictable with the few options that are viable at high level.
This format is great, hope you go through most characters like this because a lot of characters general tier placements can be very confusing, zafina for example has terrible framedata, punishment and abusable lows, it seems hard to believe that movement alone can put this character next to akuma or feng. Keep it up❤
Zafina has great frames, her d/f2 has INSANE reach, and she has a lot of built in evasion, i mean just look at b 1+2. Also keep in mind that tier lists are basically ranking how good a character can do in tournaments, in other words the highest level of play. Optimal Tekken is all about being throwing safe pokes, movement and overall defensive play and Zafina excels at all these things.
I love steve. One of the few things I had to do to actually beat people is one lab every single character moves to see what I can do against it and of course the other is be satisfactory with execution. Without matchup knowledge or execution my steve was stuck in the lower ranks because I didn’t know how to use the character and I needed to master the shiro and his key stances mainly flicker. I just wonder between lee and Steve who is more difficult
Df2's staple combo difficulty hurts him against evasive characters a lot, thats his only decent tool against evasive characters. I hope in next patch shiro combo wouldn't be necessary for df2. Move already has zero tracking, comes out at 16 frames and all that execution goes for just 57 damage. They nerfed that move so much and I'm ok to some nerfs but nerfing the combo is not one of them.
I hate playing against good steves but I agree about how unnecessary it is making d/f2 linear. Even the move's animation itself looks like it's supposed to track, or at least make it track one side.
I hope they improve him a little for Tekken 8. Nothing major, he’s very good already, just give him back his homing d/f2 and we’re golden. It’s just strange how in a game with characters like Geese, Akuma, Julia, Feng or Zafina the devs feel like Steve is too strong with his homing d/f2. Like all that other bullshit is fine, but Steve’s d/f2 ? That’s where they draw the line.
@@DonArgus28 My thing is that yes, the animation portrays a move that is a huge swinging wide roundhouse hook, so it's not unreasonable to have it track. My problem with them taking away the Homing, is that they didn't give the Homing property to anything else. Now Steve is literally the *ONLY* character in the entire game that doesn't have a Homing move from his regular fighting stance. Literally Steve can't guaranteed track you while standing. He has to be in Peekaboo Stance to guaranteed track you. It's not the biggest deal, so I understand why the devs didn't care so much since 1, 2, 1 and Back 1 track absurdly anyway, but Steve can't actually guaranteed lock you down with a Homing move unless he's in Peekaboo. No other character has this specific gap in fundamental system mechanics. It's not even a downside really if I'm being honest, it's just strange.
4:24 JSYk, flicker has built in standing auto guard. Same with peekaboo but it takes longer to take effect i think. It doesn't work with practice mode repeat action, its bugged if you set him to do something and cancel it into flicker, you just hit through it for no reason
This why you a goat. I explain all these same facts about Steve to people, but they'll try to argue that a character like Asuka is harder. 😂 only thing I would add, is that he's honest as hell too. No scray lows or 50/50s, no 3way throw mix up, no nh launchers that are safe on block, lackluster punishment etc.
I picked up Steve when I first started playing(Tekken 7) because I knew he was complicated. I've since gone through tekken 6 and 5 for him just to learn more and I really thought I knew it all by now. I didnt😅
I always enjoy watching high level Steve play because he's somewhat complicated to use properly, and he's always getting nurfed...😢 Heera Malik is properly the best Steve player I've seen in a long time
I picked up tekken 4 and tried to main Steve and hwoarang because they were the coolest but I was a button masher to needless to say I retired the game until tekken 7😂 I’m trying to learn to be better with execution but at this point I’ve given up and now main Eddy/Paul 😅
I'm a noob and I've picked Steve as my main. I've been pretty decent with him but I can't say it's real easy. Lots of frustration at first. I did not realize he's actually one of the harder characters to learn and master. Damn.
I agree with most with what you said, however, the part i disagree with is when you said his punishment is some of the worst in the game. His i10-13 punishers are solid, 14 is where it goes average and anything after is bad (outside of stuff like deathfist and hei's ff2 as sonic fang punishes them).
You god damn right bro about my main,ty for video,i like him so much but there is a lot of weaknesses,no cheap moves,and i thought they will fir it T8 but it seems it will be totally diff char
For anyone whose hands hurt doing the Gatling Gun (like me) you can just do F2~1b into back sway 1 or F2~1 without pressing back and then a Sonic Fang. For those who REALLY wanna show off some execution you can do F2~1b into db wr1~2.
Steve needs is a good homing mid 15 frame launcher to be balanced . Right now learning steve is pain . And characters like feng and zafina are doom . Gets under 90 percent of strings . Took me 2 months to learn shiro . I just practiced one combo still drop it mostly. 😂 but if u pick any other character after playing steve they all look cheap to me .
I wouldn't disagree with Steve being hard to optimize, but the thing about Steve is that even at 50% efficiency, he's works just as well as other characters at 70-80%. Also b1 is such a godly move that I can't believe Majin didn't talk about it more
This is exactly the thing Steve can absolutely mess up a bunch of all these things and still be safe. He has a million and one staggers and moves that are neutral to -2 at worst. It might be hard to optimise Steve but it's an absolute bitch to fight him. B1 alone sets the pace of most matches and he has the best best best rage drive by a mile. Why is d+2,1 safe?
@Michael Muhoro he needs to be safe or he would actually be one of the worst characters. I play Steve (Tekken King atm) at high level he's really hard to win with when everyone at this point in T7 is playing his worst match up. You definitely have to be exceptionally good at Tekken to win with Steve at high level with this current patch trust me. There are characters like Feng,Marduk, an Leroy he take no execution and are much better imo so Steve is fine. He actually needs a bit of a re work to make him slightly better, not broken or brain dead but a bit better than he is now
@@PSNDarkSouL My point is his safety is what stops him from being a struggle character like people seem to make him out to be. The man has great setups, Oki and great damage! Not even counting his wall combo, people make it seem like it's his only wall combo or that you absolutely must use df2 as Steve. He has bad matchups, no doubt about that, but so does everyone else.
@@MichaelSS It's functionally safe, but it's not actually safe. It's -10, but the third hit of the string counterhits jabs. But technically if you blocked both you could punish.
4:24 JSYk, flicker has built in standing auto guard. Same with peekaboo but it takes longer to take effect i think. It doesn't work with practice mode repeat action, its bugged if you set him to do something and cancel it into flicker, you just hit through it for no reason
Casually does a shiro combo. You’re so sick Majin.
I dropped Steve from that update🥲
"This combo is so difficult."
-Majin, blindfolded and drinking a soda with both hands
@@louiev.3367 just practice and practice man im sure you'll get it eventually. it took me literal months to hit one and make it consistent. ong one of the hardest combos in the game
Dawg I picked up Steve being totally new to tekken he already stole my heart when I saw he's a boxer and even more when I leanred he's has a combination of stances like hitman style, peekaboo and has real moves dempsey roll, white fang (not real but it's basically from hajime no ippo)
He's complicated but u can still play him simple and be formidable as long as you have good defense
Finally somebody who appreciates and acknowledges Steve as a character.
Everyone does that already
@@wildman7220agreed bro.. I don't play Steve.. but he has the sexiest gameplay when played at a high level.
I’m a low level player and Steve is the only character I know how to use offensively and defensively
I think the reason Steve and any boxer in most fighting games don't have grond punishers is because they're boxers. In boxing once an opponent is down you walk to your corner and wait till they are able to go. Though respectable and awesome most fighting games respect that rule for their boxing character it put them at a big disadvantage being unable to punish the opponent from the knockdown. As a Steve main I agree you gotta put work in 😂😂
Pakistani players say the same and set the example with Akuma: Akuma can be a difficult character to master due to his high execution. But Steve is on another level of difficulty because of his hard gameplay. If I want to execute the gatling gun as a combo ender, before playing Tekken, I have to do a hand warm-up exercise before touching the arcade stick, then practice that combo ender for 5 or 10 minutes, so that my execution can be optimal. There is no other way that works for me.
Steve feels like a character who has everything against him, because most of the roster matchups are unfavorable to him. But despite everything, he is the character that has given me the most satisfaction in the game. Perhaps the best character a fighting game could have imho.
He doesn’t have a lot of bad match up, except marduk and may be feng. He is good on the top level, because he will punish u very hard in small tekken, like 112 and ws 12. And i13 b1 for ch fishing.
But on low-medium level he is way too hard, because of no big lows for opening, no safe mid launchers, no plus frames except charged duck 2, terrible punishment, no easy combos from ws2, dif execution.
@@bullseye7721 With the nerfs that have been applied to Steve, he has ended up with far fewer options to deal with the match up of most of the roster, which has made him a much more difficult character to master. Many Steve mains who play at a high level have mentioned it. Characters like Ganryu, Kunimitsu, Claudio, Alisa, have a lot of advantage over Steve, apart from the aforementioned: Feng, Marduk, Zafina, Akuma, or Geese.
In low-mid level it's difficult, because you are on the way to know your character and you necessarily have to have experience dealing with the full roster matchup. When you manage to have an experienced Steve, you realize that many of the options you already had cannot be applied every time because they are very risky, no matter how much Steve is "low risk, high reward" kind of character.
The hardest thing to do with Steve at high level of play is to be unpredictable with the few options that are viable at high level.
I can sit and watch lil majin talk tekken lingo for hours, his knowledge of the game is amazing to say the least
I LOVED PLAYING STEVE! Glad you broke it down like this! 👍
This format is great, hope you go through most characters like this because a lot of characters general tier placements can be very confusing, zafina for example has terrible framedata, punishment and abusable lows, it seems hard to believe that movement alone can put this character next to akuma or feng.
Keep it up❤
zafina doesnt have bad frames
What's terrible about her frames in 7? I heard she had bad frames in 6.
Imagine being this much of a downplayer that you forgot that they gave her pretty nice fundamentally stupid attacks
Zafina has great frames, her d/f2 has INSANE reach, and she has a lot of built in evasion, i mean just look at b 1+2.
Also keep in mind that tier lists are basically ranking how good a character can do in tournaments, in other words the highest level of play. Optimal Tekken is all about being throwing safe pokes, movement and overall defensive play and Zafina excels at all these things.
I love steve. One of the few things I had to do to actually beat people is one lab every single character moves to see what I can do against it and of course the other is be satisfactory with execution. Without matchup knowledge or execution my steve was stuck in the lower ranks because I didn’t know how to use the character and I needed to master the shiro and his key stances mainly flicker.
I just wonder between lee and Steve who is more difficult
Df2's staple combo difficulty hurts him against evasive characters a lot, thats his only decent tool against evasive characters. I hope in next patch shiro combo wouldn't be necessary for df2. Move already has zero tracking, comes out at 16 frames and all that execution goes for just 57 damage. They nerfed that move so much and I'm ok to some nerfs but nerfing the combo is not one of them.
I hate playing against good steves but I agree about how unnecessary it is making d/f2 linear. Even the move's animation itself looks like it's supposed to track, or at least make it track one side.
I hope they improve him a little for Tekken 8. Nothing major, he’s very good already, just give him back his homing d/f2 and we’re golden.
It’s just strange how in a game with characters like Geese, Akuma, Julia, Feng or Zafina the devs feel like Steve is too strong with his homing d/f2. Like all that other bullshit is fine, but Steve’s d/f2 ? That’s where they draw the line.
@@DonArgus28 My thing is that yes, the animation portrays a move that is a huge swinging wide roundhouse hook, so it's not unreasonable to have it track. My problem with them taking away the Homing, is that they didn't give the Homing property to anything else. Now Steve is literally the *ONLY* character in the entire game that doesn't have a Homing move from his regular fighting stance. Literally Steve can't guaranteed track you while standing. He has to be in Peekaboo Stance to guaranteed track you. It's not the biggest deal, so I understand why the devs didn't care so much since 1, 2, 1 and Back 1 track absurdly anyway, but Steve can't actually guaranteed lock you down with a Homing move unless he's in Peekaboo. No other character has this specific gap in fundamental system mechanics. It's not even a downside really if I'm being honest, it's just strange.
@@frantschou2369 He's not good
@@kylefields3951 False
4:24 JSYk, flicker has built in standing auto guard. Same with peekaboo but it takes longer to take effect i think. It doesn't work with practice mode repeat action, its bugged if you set him to do something and cancel it into flicker, you just hit through it for no reason
I had no idea he was one of the most complex characters in the game ~ wild
This why you a goat. I explain all these same facts about Steve to people, but they'll try to argue that a character like Asuka is harder. 😂 only thing I would add, is that he's honest as hell too. No scray lows or 50/50s, no 3way throw mix up, no nh launchers that are safe on block, lackluster punishment etc.
waiting for devil Jin to!!!
I picked up Steve when I first started playing(Tekken 7) because I knew he was complicated. I've since gone through tekken 6 and 5 for him just to learn more and I really thought I knew it all by now. I didnt😅
I always enjoy watching high level Steve play because he's somewhat complicated to use properly, and he's always getting nurfed...😢
Heera Malik is properly the best Steve player I've seen in a long time
I picked up tekken 4 and tried to main Steve and hwoarang because they were the coolest but I was a button masher to needless to say I retired the game until tekken 7😂 I’m trying to learn to be better with execution but at this point I’ve given up and now main Eddy/Paul 😅
😂
I'm a noob and I've picked Steve as my main. I've been pretty decent with him but I can't say it's real easy. Lots of frustration at first. I did not realize he's actually one of the harder characters to learn and master. Damn.
FINALLLYYY
I was waiting for this video! You're the best Majin
I’ve learned more on how to play Steve from this video compared to actual Steve tutorials
Great vid as always! Could you do Lei? If you haven’t already
Heera Malik is an amazing steve player
Well explained, great vid Majin! Guv gang!
These videos are great! More of this!
and lots of people will talk like they knew steve and it's really easy char. They don't know that the user is just too good and making it looks easy.
Amazing video Lil Majin, nothing but facts
Love the character vids
I am a steve enjoyer … good to hear he requires skill
I agree with most with what you said, however, the part i disagree with is when you said his punishment is some of the worst in the game. His i10-13 punishers are solid, 14 is where it goes average and anything after is bad (outside of stuff like deathfist and hei's ff2 as sonic fang punishes them).
sorry fo 3 month late to watch this video, and thanks for reminding me for the fact that Steve is Hard Character
Still mad from the df2 nerf
I just started playing tekken 7 and decided to choose him as my main 💀
I did that back then in tag 2 with him and bryan lmao
You god damn right bro about my main,ty for video,i like him so much but there is a lot of weaknesses,no cheap moves,and i thought they will fir it T8 but it seems it will be totally diff char
He'll be 100% be in Tekken 8 since his story is not done yet he does had a connection between Nina & Anna Williams
and the Mishima Zaibatsu in general.
King of king's my majin sir 💯🤗
Do Devil Jin next bro
For anyone whose hands hurt doing the Gatling Gun (like me)
you can just do F2~1b into back sway 1 or F2~1 without pressing back and then a Sonic Fang. For those who REALLY wanna show off some execution you can do F2~1b into db wr1~2.
Can you do one of Leroy
Very difficult character to play plus he relies on core fundamentals to succeed in both casual and high level play
Steve needs is a good homing mid 15 frame launcher to be balanced . Right now learning steve is pain . And characters like feng and zafina are doom . Gets under 90 percent of strings . Took me 2 months to learn shiro . I just practiced one combo still drop it mostly. 😂 but if u pick any other character after playing steve they all look cheap to me .
No way, Steve getting a launcher like that would ruin the character
@@TKZhyon how ?
I'm a decent Steve but I stopped playing a long time ago
Josie next!!
I wouldn't disagree with Steve being hard to optimize, but the thing about Steve is that even at 50% efficiency, he's works just as well as other characters at 70-80%. Also b1 is such a godly move that I can't believe Majin didn't talk about it more
This is exactly the thing
Steve can absolutely mess up a bunch of all these things and still be safe.
He has a million and one staggers and moves that are neutral to -2 at worst.
It might be hard to optimise Steve but it's an absolute bitch to fight him.
B1 alone sets the pace of most matches and he has the best best best rage drive by a mile.
Why is d+2,1 safe?
@Michael Muhoro he needs to be safe or he would actually be one of the worst characters. I play Steve (Tekken King atm) at high level he's really hard to win with when everyone at this point in T7 is playing his worst match up. You definitely have to be exceptionally good at Tekken to win with Steve at high level with this current patch trust me. There are characters like Feng,Marduk, an Leroy he take no execution and are much better imo so Steve is fine. He actually needs a bit of a re work to make him slightly better, not broken or brain dead but a bit better than he is now
@@PSNDarkSouL My point is his safety is what stops him from being a struggle character like people seem to make him out to be. The man has great setups, Oki and great damage! Not even counting his wall combo, people make it seem like it's his only wall combo or that you absolutely must use df2 as Steve.
He has bad matchups, no doubt about that, but so does everyone else.
@Michael Muhoro he's a great character, he just needs some buffs that can reward high level players. Very very minor buffs.
@@MichaelSS It's functionally safe, but it's not actually safe. It's -10, but the third hit of the string counterhits jabs. But technically if you blocked both you could punish.
My friend is starting to learn him. I gave up xD
Best player in the game.
Thanks for the expert opinion on Cheese Fox. Great series. Keep it up. 👍🏾
Steve is cool, punch punch :)
2:09 that's why it's the fun to beat the buffs outta fools
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yeah you're right I hope they don't week him again in Tekken 8
Steve is hard ofcourse,no doubt,when u cant hopkick,u know its hard 🤣
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Steve is not easy to master he's hard to play as
I love Steve but he doesnt love me. I get bodied so much with this character. Regardless that Im Byakko i cant get Steve out of yellow ranks.
steve is dead
Heres my take, hes not technical, hes cheesy and carries
seethe
What, you can’t stop clicking buttons?
Here's my take, you play bitchmade characters and can't even talk on the same realm as Steve
@@mercer13b must be a Steve main
@@mercer13b it's a game relax
4:24 JSYk, flicker has built in standing auto guard. Same with peekaboo but it takes longer to take effect i think. It doesn't work with practice mode repeat action, its bugged if you set him to do something and cancel it into flicker, you just hit through it for no reason