It uses a standard cylinder so picking the lock doesn’t say much about the product imo. I have this lock so I’m just happy the “smart” features aren’t compromising the lock.
It's not really a new thing, however. One of Assa Abloy's consumer line locks (can't remember the name of the division at the moment) had that 5 or 6 years ago. Basically, when locks with touch screen LCDs first came out, this was an early feature.
It's just like my Bitcoin hardware wallet. They randomize the keypad and only show it on the device so if my computer is compromised the hacker can't see what pin I'm entering. They even put a random number of pixels on each line so you can't use fancy tools to read the pin that way
So many smart locks with cylinders didn't use standard form factors so replacing wasn't possible. They're either getting rid of them entirely or retrofitting existing now though
[1398] t8:14 "This is certainly a lock that I would consider using." pick time 3:07 [1339] t3:30 "So despite its absurd proportions, this is something that I would not hesitate to use." pick time 1:22 [901] title: A Trailer Lock That I Would Use... pick time 1:26 [636] t0:48 "So, that brings me to the punchline: I am not going to be opening this for you today." pick time N/A
@@BearOfWhere I've actually seen videos 901 and 1398 and stand by what I said compared to them. I'd seen the first part of the bowley lock video but forgot about it though
*Engineer:* LPL just did a video on our lock. *CEO:* What'd he say? *Engineer:* He called it 'decent' *CEO:* How long did it take him? *Engineer:* About 90 seconds with a Lishi tool. *CEO:* Aw yiss...
When I saw that video was longer than 60 seconds: "This must be a FASNTASTIC lock" Requires some skill to pick means "This is unpickable except by professionals who pick locks for hours every day."
@@mhfuzzball engineer: could i get a pay rise? ceo: hang on. [calls financial director] are we profitable? fd: thanks to lpl and our new product, we're making money hand over fist, boss. ceo: [to engineer] no. [to fd]: your kid learned to ski yet? we're taking the yacht over to the med this year, they're predicting a cold snap, could fly up to switzerland if you want, my daughter's finishing school, maybe she could teach him?
Wow, this is actually pretty impressive considering the standard fair on this channel. Not only does it have a creative and practical extra security feature, its physical backup is passable as well. Rare for a smart lock to be so competent.
This was so much better than the last smart lock he featured. He could have picked that 'Apple' smart lock 40 times in the time he needed to get this one open with the Lishi.
@@SamGib I think he would have mentioned that since he will look at all attack vectors. Looking at the lock it seems the electronic stuff is inside and outside is just the touchscreen. Making it much harder to exploit that. Bad locks have the brains reachable.
@@cacevers The thing with electronic exploits like this is they can be tricky to narrow down without extensive analysis and testing. Maybe snipping the leg of a specific capacitor causes it to read every input as correct. Could be very simple fatal flaws hidden in plain sight which is why time ends up being the greatest test
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I once helped a friend install a "scramble pad" about 18-19 years ago; it's the same concept, but intended for a high-security commercial market. It was a 12-key button matrix in a telephone configuration, but each button had its own 7-segment LED, and projected through a lenticular lens, so they had a narrow viewing angle, intended to deter shoulder surfers. You'd push a button to wake it up, and the numbers are assigned a key randomly. It was weird using it, and having to fight the muscle memory you develop just from using telephones all your life!
I feel like that's the main worry I'd have with these, and then you spend a lot longer hunting for the number entering it slower making it easier to surf vs muscle memory I often am standing so close to pads I can't even see the digits but know where to put my finger by feel.
@@matthewmiller6068 The design featured here looks like a creative approach to the problem; by grouping numbers into bunches, it looks like it would be a user experience closer to one of those word puzzles for your phone, rather than scanning at a grid to find the 7.
@@user-qi9be4lv7l if he doesn't say anything about it, he didn't find anything there. He doesn't mention shimming in literally every padlock video, only the videos for padlocks where it's a problem
The team who developed this may have a little party to celebrate this achievement and now they can legally put “not terrible-lock picking lawyer” praises into their ads.
Ingenious! Most hospital ED entrances I went into as an EMT had scramble pads for the same reason. Also, "pick resistance is not great, but it's also not terrible" sounds like high praise from LPL
Meanwhile, all the hospital ED code pads around here are these super old things with buttons that have obvious wear patterns on them and are all set to different variations of the same super-insecure code. It's so laughable that in training they basically just told us to not bother remembering the specific codes for each ED, and to just brute-force the codes to get in.
My local hospital the ER entrance is on a motion sensor and is the only door that is not locked outside of normal visiting hours. It’s practically begging you come in.
Any lock that takes more than a minute for LpL to pick is a great lock in my books. Took him 1 minutes 33 seconds to pick. lol That, and the randomiser definitely helps the case as well. Even with the basic 123456 code, it's hard for anyone to guess by looking/spying. Especially since two random digits are repeated every time. (4 spots with 3 digits, 10 possible digits, leaving 2 repeat digits)
@hoihoi9866 Drilling it open in 2 minutes is absolutely terrible. Drilling makes a lot of noises. And in 2 minutes? You're caught for sure. Sure, a locksmith that does it per the homeowners request isn't doing that illegally, but the lone fact of them HAVING to drill, instead of just opening the lock in a non-destructive way (which at least allows replacing the lock, possibly getting into some reset-to-default system allowing changing the lost combination) makes them a terrible locksmith. If I need to turn my lock into a useless piece of junk I don't have to pay a steep price for it. I can just call my brother to lend me their tools and do it for close to free.
@@kikixchannel If someone in in a white van (bonus points for a bogus locksmith company magnet on the side) shows up in front of a house and starts drilling, would any neighbors be suspicious enough to call the cops in those two minutes? Someone will put two and two together after the robbery takes place, but then you have to find the thief after they're gone and that's not as easy. A lot of locks are made such that opening the door by drilling the lock is either extremely difficult or practically impossible to prevent this sort of thing.
Personally, I assume that nearly anything that electrically opens a lock might be subject to magnetic attacks... but listen to that part of the tape again: it sounds like this lock is using a *motor* to crank the bolt open, not a solenoid... that should protect you from that particular part of the attack surface.
I know that IBM for one had keypads that do this at their facilities at least 15 - 20 years ago. They call them scrampads. They weren't touchscreen. They were like a 7 segment display behind a lens on each button that required a very specific viewing angle and of course the numbers switched around after each successful or unsuccessful code attempt.
I've had a lockly for the past couple of years, It was the only door lock that ticked all of the boxes for me. Fingerprint access so I don't have to use any keys to get inside, keycodes so that I can give access to other people/friends etc, special access keycodes for tradesmen or anybody else that I only want limited time access for, and a physical key for the _hidden_ key slot in the handle in case I bite the dust one day and people need to get inside when I'm 6 foot under. All in all I'm pretty pleased with it, even more so now that LPL didn't open his lockly with a butterfly wing or cat whisker in 0.2 seconds like he does with all the other locks.
Issue with this might be the fingerprint access. Fingerprint readers have been notoriously easy to fool in the past. Not sure how good the one on the Lockly is - but I doubt it is any different than the usual fool-able versions.
@@VestigialHead The video they provide on their AMZN listing claims it will “only read human fingers”, and can’t be fooled by lifted prints; and has a 99-Print memory. Personally, I never use fingerprint readers, but 🤷🏼♂️
@@calvarycustoms6681 Would be interesting to see it tested. I have seen videos of people testing fingerprint scanners with the same claims that failed miserably. But who knows how good this one is. If I bought a lock I would try to find one without fingerprint options. Or at least one where you can turn off the fingerprint scanner.
"not great but not terrible" and a minute-and-a-half pick time, that's one of the best locks we've seen in a long time. Was expecting him to show off some massive flaw with the keypad but nope, genuinely solid design all around, kudos to them!
A freebie feature of the keypad is that with 12 combinations (3 numbers in 4 circles), there's even a tiny bit more randomization each time it updates. The last time you entered the passcode, you had two choices of where to enter the "2"
With twelve number spots and only ten numbers to fill them, every time it populates the display there will always be two numbers with two spots to select each of them.
@@Hephera Yes but you can set the number of entries required, for example I require a 10 digit code to enter on mine (only for guests, Inhse the fingerprint otherwise). The purpose of the repeat numbers is to prevent eavesdropping attacks, for example if someone had recorded you interacting with the keypad multiple times they still would have a hard time guessing the combination due to repeated digits. Of course any determined attacker could eventually gain access or just force the lock, but every little bit helps.
@@paddor No, that is not. The key randomization makes side-channel attacks impossible. If your combination is 1111, you hit the same key four times. When the 1 is on different keys, then it is much harder to guess for someone who only has a infrared picture of the keypad after touching it.
He also used a Lishi lock picking tool, rather than the usual pick and tensioner. I would have liked to see how long it would have taken with those tools instead.
honestly, even an intermediate picker would probably have trouble with this lock, and at the very least would take quite a bit of time. I consider that a W, especially as compared to the vast majority of locks featured on this channel
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 Honestly this lock as is probably gives more than adequate security for home use, because it moves the most likely attack to "rock through window". If a door lock can't be bypassed, combed, raked, or bumped, then your average thief isn't going to pick it, but if I lose my key, then the locksmith can.
@@paulwoodard4155 that's true, and most burglars don't pick locks anyway, I was pointing out that most "intermediate pickers" wouldn't have a hard time with this lock, that's all
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 I feel like that's kind of difficult to say without knowing the tolerances and machining quality. You also not seeing the security pins themselves, so you can't judge the amount and depth of the serrations or the shape of the spool. The lishi is pretty good at hiding the difficulty of SPP with a standard hook and turning tool. Could be easier than expected, could be quite a bit harder.
@@paulelderson934 knowing that it's an SC cylinder gives away that the tolerances will be decent but noticeable. not seeing the pins themself means nothing when you can literally feel them and know when they're set. I think the lishi serves as a visual aid for the viewers to get a better understanding of what's going on in the lock, and that someone worth their salt in picking will be able to get into this without much trouble
Randomized keypads are actually a really neat idea. When I worked at Macy's, the employee entrance had a standard ten-key pad, but each button had a seven-figure display inside that would randomize several iterations (you actually got to watch the numbers scramble) before putting in your code...
Sounds overly complicated and just inferior ro Apple HomeKey. That should be adopted as the sole standard. I can’t think of a safer or more convenient way to open a door.
@@DavidRamirez-vc8dr Not everyone has or can afford to buy not just an iPhone, but all the other things you have to get to be able to use it fully (your experience will be severely limited if all you have at home are Windows PCs, for example).
"Not great, but also not terrible" as far as readily available consumer grade locks go, that is high praise from LPL. Especially with the replaceable core, I would buy this lock!
Maybe for little added security they should add a switch to the keyhole access plate that sets off an alarm After 30 seconds or so, it shouldn't take long if you have a key. Have a great day
That's actually not a bad idea, and you could implement that on conventional locks as well with a bit of clockwork. Open the key cover against a spring, and a mechanical clock runs down, freezing the lock after 20 seconds. You'd need to harden that cover against drilling / bending of course.
I bought this lock for all of the things that LPL said. I am glad to see this lock getting it's time in the sun. Also saw that the core was replaceable so if I felt like I needed a better one, I could just change it. But seriously, these locks are awesome. You can go fully digital and give people access with a code that expires during whatever time range you choose. We had someone watch our dog and we gave her 1 code that worked during the time we needed and then don't have to worry about her copying a key or remembering a code. We've been using it for about 2 years. The tech side of this lock is IMO, best in the industry.
real, i hope you got a holiday out of them for that! i don't know your age but maybe you remember those competitions back in the day where you answered a few short questions on a postcard and the 'tie-breaker' was something like: please describe in twelve words or less, why you enjoyed our product/service/experience so much and why others might, too? basically, a company casting around for new ideas on the cheap and canvassing the public for a new advertising strap thinly disguised as a chance to win (dependent on the size of the company/ the size of their sales dip): a day at the races, a weekend sightseeing trip for two or a fortnight's holiday abroad. it was never for something more than a week's wages, often for something that cost less than an afternoon's but eventually, you'd learn via a local newspaper investigation or radio interview, that 'mrs rigsby', housewife from essex (more often a david johnson, crossword champion, countdown all-weeker and working under a nom de plume) made a comfortable side-earner as a freelance sloganeer and why not give it a try yourself? now all you get for your five star review is the kitchen oojamaflip you'd ordered for a bit of fun, given to you for free along with the company catalogue and an offer to continue the arrangement, more or less honestly, filling your house with whatever else they happen to sell as due reward for your superbly succinct and unremittingly positive customer testimonials - oh, for fair! how short-changed are we in this cynical age!
@@pomelo9518 i'm not typing all that again! 😅 i wasn't having a go or critisizing real or the lock. it looks a good buy. his comment just reminded me of competitions companies used to offer before the internet was a thing. it just amused me. like i say, if he had have put that on a post card back in the day, he might have legitimately won a foreign vacation. now all you get is the thing for free if they pick your five star review.
I've actually often wondered why nobody did that with the randomized positions... seems simple enough with today's technology. Glad to see someone actually addressing that rather obvious weakness to combination locks.
That one actually performed pretty well. Specialized tool (see edit- stop telling me it's not specialized dangit!), decently long pick time, no immediate and devastating exploits, extra security on the code... Honestly, not a bad job on this one. Edit: May not be specialized tool. But still had security pins and can be swapped out for something even better. It'll deter anyone inexperienced at the very least.
As i understand, lishi is not a specialised tool, more of a quality of life tool for standart implications. With skill you would open any lishi-ble lock using standard tool set, maybe even faster
@@listenbornaby447 it is a specialised tool because it can only open locks with that key way. that is why he is selling so many versions of the lishis too. it is specialised to open that type of lock with that standart of pin positions only.
@@listenbornaby447 Well, even if that's true, the thing clearly had a few security pins in it and if it can be swapped out for something even better, that's brilliant.
I'm actually in the process of installing these on an entire apartment complex. They thought of a lot of nice features for multi family housing. Pretty good quality hardware.
Considering the dead bolt is not as strong as even a cheap deadbolt you might want to wait and see if LPL has a kick test. No way no how is a battery as strong as a solid deadbolt
@@samualaddams705 What makes you think this deadbolt isn't solid brass? It was the Apple deadbolt, that he reviewed last week, that hid the battery in the bolt. This one appears normal.
I have this lock. Be aware, that if the pad is either exposed to too much direct sunlight or it is simply too hot outside you might not be able to see the numbers. Maybe mine just does that because it's old, but changing the batteries doesn't help. The only thing that helps a little is keeping it covered by something substantial enough to block light and some of the heat.
the sales on this lock are gonna go stonks its always nice to see LPL highlighting some of the better locks out there in addition to all the bad ones hes pointing out
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 he's shown several good examples in the past, for the most part though I think his goal is to hold consumer products accountable
I don't even watch that bad lock videos anymore, it's just sad. It's like watching the NBA play junior basketball - there's no competition. Actual challenges to LPL are wayyyy more interesting and fair.
@@vice.nor.virtue yea, but youre not the main core of society that he wants to reach. Those people who shop on Amazon and think that their reviews equate to a good product whilst having the combined IQ of a rotten potato are. In other words, youve already been educated, the others havent and those are the ones who have the most to lose.
I use to work for a large military jet engine maker, and the SCIF for classified work had a randomizing combination lock on it. The lock was electronic and the window you viewed the numbers in was an LCD screen. You started turning the dial and at some random point and number it would put a number in the window and you would proceed scrolling until you arrived at the first number. Once you hit the first number and started the dial in the opposite direction it would do the same randomization of the starting point. It required a 4 number combination and the dial scrolled from 0 to 99. That was WAY BACK in the mid 90's. It seemed so high tech at the time, and I always wondered why I never have seen one since. It seems like an obvious security technology. Additionally, there was a badge scanner and one of those 5 button punch locks to open the vault door, plus a number of cameras looking at you. Once you got inside you had to know the combination to a heavy steel file cabinet, where you would get your files and hard drive from. Then you would go to an open computer pull the security curtain so you were alone, connect your hard drive log in and work.
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 The vast majority of criminals have no idea how to lockpick because it's such a difficult, time-consuming and expensive skill to acquire, so 1 minute for LPL with a special tool really is good enough for the vast majority of applications.
@@isodoubIet that is true. most criminals who burgle houses don't pick locks, thought lockpicking isn't really expensive to get into, but this still isn't as good of a lock as people think it is, and the amount of time it takes a single picker to get open (regardless of if they used a lishi) doesn't actually constitute whether or not a lock is "good". Also, lishi aren't special. The only thing special about them is their ability to decode locks after they've been picked
Great product and company. I've had my Lockly for 3-years now, the first one got buggy after about 20-months, their customer service was great and they quickly shipped out their newest version as a replacement, which I love even more. I also have an August which I like but the Lockly is fantastic. Highly recommend, and would love seeing how to install a more secure core.
The locker rental at a local theme park works this way. You rent the locker at a central kiosk and choose your combination at that time. The combination screen rearranges itself between people to make it harder for the person behind you to see what you choose for a combination.
Thank you. I had bought that tool a while back and I couldn't pick the lock I was trying. I thought it was as simple as just running them 1-5 and it would open. Seeing this video I see you have to keep going back 1-5, 1-5 and at times the lock can fight back. Today I was able to pick the lock I wanted knowing this.
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Normally I see "smart lock" on this channel and think, "OK, how did it fail in basic security this time?" Imagine my surprise when the basic security actually wasn't terrible.
I have the version with a camera and fingerprint sensor. If the cover on the lock is disturbed the lock will send me a notification with a 15s video of the event.
Nice to see a lock here that is not just hot garbage. It is great to know what to stay away from, but sometimes it is also nice to know what might be okay to buy
The self randomising feature is a great idea. At some customers at work, we have normal mechanical keypads in use and after a short period of time you can clearly see the used numbers by wear of the keys. With common 4 or 5 digit PINs this takes only as long to figuere out, as you need to pick this lock.
For normal domestic use, it should be sufficient to have a better lock than your neighbour. Based on this video, replacing the core with something like an Avocet ABS lock, this lock would make me feel relatively safe in my estate.
Really? What thief goes from door to door to find the most unsafe lock in that area? If you are worried about picking attacks you need a lock that is good enough so that your average lockpicking thief can't open it. Doesn't matter what your neighbor has.
This is precisely what is happening in our estate quite often. Most of us have video doorbells, so we can actually track the would-be thieves as they go from door to door. Most often, they just try whether it's locked, occasionally they carry a metal tube to wiggle locks lose, and rarely we even get someone trying to pick locks. Of course, this is Ireland, where people with 200+ convictions for burglary walk freely.
Depends on just how secure the 'smart' part of the smarts are as to if that is a justifiable feeling... The keypad is good, but LPL mentioned Bluetooth, for me that is a massive 'oh no' thought, as secure and Bluetooth do not go together all that well. Not like fingerprint are secure either - heck some fingerprint sensors are foolable just from the residue finger oils left behind from the last users.. And looking at Lockly's description their 'cloud service' the locks run from is AWS backed, flaws in AWS core infrastructure do get fixed quicker than some companies would, but its also one of the big ones folks are hunting for bugs in so they are also getting found often too, and any cloud service can go away at any time, a jaded staff member might even be able to unlock every door with a lockly lock because they are all on the same cloud if it catches their fancy...
I actually owned on of these and it has a huge problem. The body suffers thermal differences in the sun and the metal expanding on one side crushing the glass. This stops the touchpad from working. The screen also burns out from even winter sunlight which tells me there isn't any UV shielding on the screen. The Cycling buttons is a great idea but these other flaws forced us to get a different lock after these failures stopped it from working.
If I were in the market for a smart lock this video seems like a glowing endorsement, especially since if you really wanted you could put in a better core.
No, the opposite. If all four buttons have unique numbers, then hitting right button by change is 1/4. If the right number is on two buttons, then you get it right by change 1/2. I don't think that is very good lock.
Definitely makes it less secure. If I have a 5 in my combo and 5 is in 2 spots, my single combo essentially turns into 2 combos, making it easier to guess.
@@user255 If the buttons didn't move around and the number combinations stayed the same, your point would be valid. But those aren't the case. It would be impractical to try to bypass this lock by clicking buttons randomly, because you can't tell when you've already tried the pattern that the lock presents you with. And mixing up both the button positions and which numbers are on any given button, it's not feasible to try to spy on someone entering the combination. Even if you can read the buttons, you still have a lot of possibilities to try out, and if you can't, well...seeing the positions won't help at all.
@@harvey66616 Not true. The point is that this systems allows you to try several codes at *one* try. You can do it systematically even when the buttons reposition. Example when you push button which has numbers 1, 2 and 3. Then you have started to input *all* codes that begins either with 1, 2 or 3. The math I presented holds.
It’s always fun to watch these kinds of videos because I work at a Hardware store, and I’ve sold this lock to multiple people before. I gotta say hearing LPL praise it means I’ll only recommend it to more people.
I got one of these locks specifically because of the changing key pad. However, after a year, the pad kept giving a fail beep, even during the night when no-one was around - this also wore the batteries out. After numerous emails with customer care I was told that the unit had failed. Oh, and that they couldn't replace it as I was outside of the US. Basically, when it fails it turns into a normal lock, but when you don't carry a key because you don't need to, then you're locked out. So, you then have to make sure there is a key safe just in case. This now means that the key safe is the weakest point making this moot. Basically, this is not reliable enough to be used normally. At least add a constant power hook up or solar cell to make sure it's always charged!
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 He basically has made a career of pulling out locks and opening them in seconds while talking about how unsecure they are, the only real take away is "you are never safe".
@@themixgenius1993 I love my August Pro. Pick your deadbolt, replace the inside thumb turn. Uses an adapter to work with multiple brands of deadbolt tail stocks.
This keypad is actually pretty good! The fact that you could only pick it, and that picking took yo8 a fair bit of time with a lishi, is impressive. Means they actually put some thought into it. Plus with a reppacabke core, means you can get an even better lock
I love Lockly. I have a couple of their locks in our home so I'm so psyched to see LPL try to pick this particular one cause this is what i have on my front door! Been using this for two years now and planning to get one more on their website for our rental house
I have this lock and most of it is really nice and feature rich. The only flaw I've had with it, is somehow rain and or humidity will get inside the electronics part (interior section) of the lock itself. I've had to replace it 4 times in 3 or 4 years. I'm not sure how or why it's happening. But opening the battery pack, after about a year, will show mold and galvanic corrosion. As well as inside the interior section of the housing where motherboard is. If I could find a solution to this, it would be a 9 out of 10. But I can't recommend buying it until this solved by the manufacturer.
This is really cool!! Also when you input the code the second time, some of the numbers appeared in multiple circles! That means that even on a signal set of numbers there's multiple combinations that can work, which I would think also help to throw off any wood-be watchers. Very nice!!
The issue with that randomized code is that if you can observe a few attempts then you can deduce the full sequence by elimination, it's useful only for single view but a simple camera will pick it up after 4 successful entry...
Why don't smart lock makers not just implement a time limit for key insertion to prevent piccing? Like a 1-3 second limit. If an object is inside for more than that time without an unlock it needs to be removed before you can retry. You could also put a 30 second delay on so you'll have to wait before key reentry.
Because the key is generally intended to be a mechanical bypass. If the lock loses power or it's firmware bugs out, the owner needs a way to open their door. Implementing an electronic time lock out could risk compromising this backup.
@@Drasvin good point. You could make the lockout disable itself in the case of dysfunction or no power. So the activation of the lockout is electronical with like a small magnet that needs power and thus mechanically defaults back to no lockout. The next logical step could be to make the entire lockout mechanism mechanical. That could be possible with Springs and stuff which we already use in kitchen timers etc. No?
@@KearnuPhoenix You can't securely and confidently detect electric disfunction if there is a disfunction. Any mechanic override must lack electric parts to be an override, otherwise electric tampering could disable it. And then it is no longer an override
The other benefit is that even if someone watches you put in the code up close, each press has the potential to be one of three different numbers, so they wouldn't be able to guess what it could be. Since each circle counts for all the numbers inside.
I like how two of the numbers are always repeated on the touchscreen, so you could actually (theoretically) input the same code different ways on the same screen.
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not too hard for lpl in his lab = nearly impossible for at least 3/4 of pickers when placed in a door. I'd say this lock was honestly pretty impressive, and if you really need the core to be better you can swap it yourself, which serious people might do just on principle anyway. Seems like a good lock to me!
Every lock can be picked with enough know-how, specialized tools and experience. Think of it this way - a lock is usually designed to be unlocked by a non-destructive method. The goal of a lockpicker is to imitate that method using tools or other tricks (shaking something open, for example). The LPL is an absolute master of his craft. I'm talking top 1% of lockpickers. Your average burglar or bike thief is more likely to opt for a destructive method. If you want a good lock, look for the ones that are well-protected against physical attacks (cutting etc) or require specialized tools to open
If it takes LPL at least a minute to pick it, even with Lishi tool (which does simplify the process significantly), then the lock is at least 4 out of 5.
I'm sure there isn't a lock on the market that won't be. You have to remember, LPL has been at this for years and years. Yes there are also MANY more that are just as skilled. As he stated get a lock with a standard format, so you can always aim to get something with this, this try to put more security pins to take a bit more time, but in the end, if they want something in your house, sadly they will get it :( Pair locks with zone cameras to see the porch, the area around it, and a super wide as well. Or at the very least a camera at the door to catch anyone trying to break in to get their mug shot for the authorities.
@@Vortechtral If you're as good at lock picking as LPL and you have a similar toolset, you're less likely to want to break into homes to burglarise them, as you can make quite a bit of money as a call-out locksmith, so you don't need to resort to crime for money. The kind of crime that someone of LPL's skill would commit would be corporate / government / military / drug gang related, where the stakes are much higher.
from what I can recall, this lock just got about one of the highest ratings ever. it has no obvious and very easy to exploit flaw unlike about 95% of the other locks featured here 👍
I picked this exact lock without the tools you used available and I filmed it. There's a video with your name literally in the title. You would definitely enjoy it.
![[1591] The Replicant: Pocket Key Casting Perfected!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/L5Fus7qbRZM/mqdefault.jpg)
This company should put that quote on their advertising!
"It's not terrible" - LockPickingLawer
High praise.
If only the layman knew that _not terrible_ from LPL mean _FREAKING AMAZING._
@@vice.nor.virtue More laymen know about LPL, because Steve Lehto mentioned him on his channel the other day.
@@sophierobinson2738 actually, i think tis the other way around, more people know about Steve now lol.
@@TalonPro I was thinking a lot of people knowing Steve might not know LPL
I would trust the quotes more than Masterlocks 1-5 BS
“Not great but not terrible.” This is actually high praise for a lock coming from LPL.
3.6 roetgen score from LPL. Outstanding!
not the highest praise in general. But, it's probably the highest praise he's given a smart deadbolt.
Literally wanted to type the exact same thing. I almost got the impression that LPL was a bit impressed.
It uses a standard cylinder so picking the lock doesn’t say much about the product imo. I have this lock so I’m just happy the “smart” features aren’t compromising the lock.
Anything that take LPL more than a minute to pick is high security in my book.
That touchpad is rather ingenious. Failing to the Lishi is no crime; the core is replaceable, so this is actually very good.
It's not really a new thing, however. One of Assa Abloy's consumer line locks (can't remember the name of the division at the moment) had that 5 or 6 years ago. Basically, when locks with touch screen LCDs first came out, this was an early feature.
@@JCWren They've existed long before that. Earliest I remember used VFDs.
Have a look for "scramble pads" in particular Hirsch scramble pads.
It's just like my Bitcoin hardware wallet. They randomize the keypad and only show it on the device so if my computer is compromised the hacker can't see what pin I'm entering. They even put a random number of pixels on each line so you can't use fancy tools to read the pin that way
LPL: “it’s not terrible”
I hear: it’s fantastic!
Oh how this channel has jaded me 😂
So many smart locks with cylinders didn't use standard form factors so replacing wasn't possible. They're either getting rid of them entirely or retrofitting existing now though
This is the highest level of praise I've EVER seen LPL give a lock. I'd put it on my home
[1398] t8:14 "This is certainly a lock that I would consider using." pick time 3:07
[1339] t3:30 "So despite its absurd proportions, this is something that I would not hesitate to use." pick time 1:22
[901] title: A Trailer Lock That I Would Use... pick time 1:26
[636] t0:48 "So, that brings me to the punchline: I am not going to be opening this for you today." pick time N/A
@@BearOfWhere I've actually seen videos 901 and 1398 and stand by what I said compared to them. I'd seen the first part of the bowley lock video but forgot about it though
He has said much better praises to multiple locks
There were even locks that he couldnt solve
@@BearOfWhere Remember the Moomin kiddie cartoon lock - high praise for that one, too. Now on sale in Finland for about $8...
Here: [1461] Is This Novelty Lock Better Than EVERY Master Lock?
LPL is so experienced in angling shiny things away from his face
damn
starting to think he may secretly be howtobasic lol
@@icewater6841 wait what? LPL has shown his face in the past lol
@@skrimper Prove it.
@@skrimper Only reflection
LPL: "It's a decent lock"
Lockly management: "Christmas bonuses thins year!"
*Engineer:* LPL just did a video on our lock.
*CEO:* What'd he say?
*Engineer:* He called it 'decent'
*CEO:* How long did it take him?
*Engineer:* About 90 seconds with a Lishi tool.
*CEO:* Aw yiss...
Lockly's stocks value just increased 200%
High praise indeed 😂
When I saw that video was longer than 60 seconds: "This must be a FASNTASTIC lock" Requires some skill to pick means "This is unpickable except by professionals who pick locks for hours every day."
@@mhfuzzball engineer: could i get a pay rise? ceo: hang on. [calls financial director] are we profitable? fd: thanks to lpl and our new product, we're making money hand over fist, boss. ceo: [to engineer] no. [to fd]: your kid learned to ski yet? we're taking the yacht over to the med this year, they're predicting a cold snap, could fly up to switzerland if you want, my daughter's finishing school, maybe she could teach him?
Wow, this is actually pretty impressive considering the standard fair on this channel. Not only does it have a creative and practical extra security feature, its physical backup is passable as well. Rare for a smart lock to be so competent.
When he breaks out the magnet you know they messed up lol, or if the video is less then 2 mins long and he says i'll show you that a couple times
This was so much better than the last smart lock he featured. He could have picked that 'Apple' smart lock 40 times in the time he needed to get this one open with the Lishi.
Well, it is too soon to tell. We have no idea how secure it is on the electric side(like magnets and software), nor some physical bypasses.
@@SamGib I think he would have mentioned that since he will look at all attack vectors. Looking at the lock it seems the electronic stuff is inside and outside is just the touchscreen. Making it much harder to exploit that. Bad locks have the brains reachable.
@@cacevers The thing with electronic exploits like this is they can be tricky to narrow down without extensive analysis and testing. Maybe snipping the leg of a specific capacitor causes it to read every input as correct. Could be very simple fatal flaws hidden in plain sight which is why time ends up being the greatest test
I believe this is the first smart lock featured on this channel that seem to be actually fairly secure.
... with a cool idea that actually works!
At least secure enough for civilian use.
It's the first one that can't be opened with a magnet in 4 seconds.
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Yeah, pretty sure this is the first one that hasn't been like so I just placed a magnet against it, and it's open
I once helped a friend install a "scramble pad" about 18-19 years ago; it's the same concept, but intended for a high-security commercial market. It was a 12-key button matrix in a telephone configuration, but each button had its own 7-segment LED, and projected through a lenticular lens, so they had a narrow viewing angle, intended to deter shoulder surfers. You'd push a button to wake it up, and the numbers are assigned a key randomly. It was weird using it, and having to fight the muscle memory you develop just from using telephones all your life!
I feel like that's the main worry I'd have with these, and then you spend a lot longer hunting for the number entering it slower making it easier to surf vs muscle memory I often am standing so close to pads I can't even see the digits but know where to put my finger by feel.
@@matthewmiller6068 The design featured here looks like a creative approach to the problem; by grouping numbers into bunches, it looks like it would be a user experience closer to one of those word puzzles for your phone, rather than scanning at a grid to find the 7.
@@matthewmiller6068 lmao your "worry" is that it might take literally a few extra seconds. How reasonable.
Hirsch ScramblePad, among other products.
One of the loading docks at a federal building near me has just such a pad. I thought it was really clever.
Holy actual flip. I think this is the first smart lock that hasn’t just unlocked itself out of surrender as soon as LPL walked into the room. 😮
This is actually the best review I’ve seen him give an electronic lock. That’s noteworthy
It's really not because he didn't review any of the electronics or its reliability. It's one of the worst.
I was just thinking, that was high praise from LPL
@@user-qi9be4lv7l if he doesn't say anything about it, he didn't find anything there. He doesn't mention shimming in literally every padlock video, only the videos for padlocks where it's a problem
The team who developed this may have a little party to celebrate this achievement and now they can legally put “not terrible-lock picking lawyer” praises into their ads.
Ingenious! Most hospital ED entrances I went into as an EMT had scramble pads for the same reason. Also, "pick resistance is not great, but it's also not terrible" sounds like high praise from LPL
Meanwhile, all the hospital ED code pads around here are these super old things with buttons that have obvious wear patterns on them and are all set to different variations of the same super-insecure code. It's so laughable that in training they basically just told us to not bother remembering the specific codes for each ED, and to just brute-force the codes to get in.
My local hospital the ER entrance is on a motion sensor and is the only door that is not locked outside of normal visiting hours. It’s practically begging you come in.
@@soundgod06 it's not open 24/7? Kind of surprising
I consider anything he doesn't say "click one, click two, and its open" to be a decent lock.
@@samwhaleIV the ER door is, the other doors are only open during “normal hours”
When LPL posts a video over 3 minutes you know it's going to be a decent lock!
My first thought when I saw the length
Or he destroys a lock 6 times.
@@kyx5631 Right. Using random junk from the kitchen trash can.
@@kyx5631 to show you it was not a fluke, I am going to use another straw or spaghetti .
except when a lock has too many flaws which will lead to a lengthy explanation
Any lock that takes more than a minute for LpL to pick is a great lock in my books. Took him 1 minutes 33 seconds to pick. lol
That, and the randomiser definitely helps the case as well. Even with the basic 123456 code, it's hard for anyone to guess by looking/spying. Especially since two random digits are repeated every time. (4 spots with 3 digits, 10 possible digits, leaving 2 repeat digits)
One more thing is 1m33s with lishi
That's amazing pick resistance. Guarantee no locksmith in my town would have the skill to open that with a pick.
Sadly, I can get through this lock no problem {takes out 18” naval artillery canon m} I guarantee it.
@@noneofyourbusiness4133 Woah, I had no idea the average locksmith frequented this channel!
@hoihoi9866 Drilling it open in 2 minutes is absolutely terrible.
Drilling makes a lot of noises. And in 2 minutes? You're caught for sure. Sure, a locksmith that does it per the homeowners request isn't doing that illegally, but the lone fact of them HAVING to drill, instead of just opening the lock in a non-destructive way (which at least allows replacing the lock, possibly getting into some reset-to-default system allowing changing the lost combination) makes them a terrible locksmith. If I need to turn my lock into a useless piece of junk I don't have to pay a steep price for it. I can just call my brother to lend me their tools and do it for close to free.
@hoihoi9866 "some explosives would open that lock right up. horrible quality"
@@kikixchannel If someone in in a white van (bonus points for a bogus locksmith company magnet on the side) shows up in front of a house and starts drilling, would any neighbors be suspicious enough to call the cops in those two minutes? Someone will put two and two together after the robbery takes place, but then you have to find the thief after they're gone and that's not as easy. A lot of locks are made such that opening the door by drilling the lock is either extremely difficult or practically impossible to prevent this sort of thing.
Seems like this might actually be a good smart lock for once. The keypad swapping the numbers around is really smart.
perhaps it's possible to dismount the screen or use a magnet, please test this
I was disappointed that LPL didn't say anything about his usual EMP method of defeating smart locks 🤔
Personally, I assume that nearly anything that electrically opens a lock might be subject to magnetic attacks... but listen to that part of the tape again: it sounds like this lock is using a *motor* to crank the bolt open, not a solenoid... that should protect you from that particular part of the attack surface.
I know that IBM for one had keypads that do this at their facilities at least 15 - 20 years ago. They call them scrampads. They weren't touchscreen. They were like a 7 segment display behind a lens on each button that required a very specific viewing angle and of course the numbers switched around after each successful or unsuccessful code attempt.
@@bryanb3352 yep, i worked somewhere with something similar. the backup entry method was going through the front door with a security/reception area.
I've had a lockly for the past couple of years, It was the only door lock that ticked all of the boxes for me. Fingerprint access so I don't have to use any keys to get inside, keycodes so that I can give access to other people/friends etc, special access keycodes for tradesmen or anybody else that I only want limited time access for, and a physical key for the _hidden_ key slot in the handle in case I bite the dust one day and people need to get inside when I'm 6 foot under.
All in all I'm pretty pleased with it, even more so now that LPL didn't open his lockly with a butterfly wing or cat whisker in 0.2 seconds like he does with all the other locks.
“Butterfly wing”!! 🤣
Issue with this might be the fingerprint access. Fingerprint readers have been notoriously easy to fool in the past. Not sure how good the one on the Lockly is - but I doubt it is any different than the usual fool-able versions.
@@VestigialHead The video they provide on their AMZN listing claims it will “only read human fingers”, and can’t be fooled by lifted prints; and has a 99-Print memory.
Personally, I never use fingerprint readers, but 🤷🏼♂️
@@calvarycustoms6681 Would be interesting to see it tested. I have seen videos of people testing fingerprint scanners with the same claims that failed miserably. But who knows how good this one is.
If I bought a lock I would try to find one without fingerprint options. Or at least one where you can turn off the fingerprint scanner.
Beware the finger chopper
"not great but not terrible" and a minute-and-a-half pick time,
that's one of the best locks we've seen in a long time. Was expecting him to show off some massive flaw with the keypad but nope, genuinely solid design all around, kudos to them!
A freebie feature of the keypad is that with 12 combinations (3 numbers in 4 circles), there's even a tiny bit more randomization each time it updates. The last time you entered the passcode, you had two choices of where to enter the "2"
With twelve number spots and only ten numbers to fill them, every time it populates the display there will always be two numbers with two spots to select each of them.
that actually decreases the number of possible combinations that will unlock the lock. So im not sure if i would call it a bonus
@@Hephera Yes but you can set the number of entries required, for example I require a 10 digit code to enter on mine (only for guests, Inhse the fingerprint otherwise).
The purpose of the repeat numbers is to prevent eavesdropping attacks, for example if someone had recorded you interacting with the keypad multiple times they still would have a hard time guessing the combination due to repeated digits. Of course any determined attacker could eventually gain access or just force the lock, but every little bit helps.
Given your combination is 1111 and the 1 is only on one key, it gives you less possibilities as if the 1 is on two different keys.
@@paddor No, that is not. The key randomization makes side-channel attacks impossible. If your combination is 1111, you hit the same key four times. When the 1 is on different keys, then it is much harder to guess for someone who only has a infrared picture of the keypad after touching it.
it took him over a minute to pick
this lock is amazing
and has some nice gadgets even
He also used a Lishi lock picking tool, rather than the usual pick and tensioner. I would have liked to see how long it would have taken with those tools instead.
And he had ideal leverage, too. That's incredible.
honestly, even an intermediate picker would probably have trouble with this lock, and at the very least would take quite a bit of time. I consider that a W, especially as compared to the vast majority of locks featured on this channel
You underestimate the skills of “intermediate” pickers
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 Honestly this lock as is probably gives more than adequate security for home use, because it moves the most likely attack to "rock through window". If a door lock can't be bypassed, combed, raked, or bumped, then your average thief isn't going to pick it, but if I lose my key, then the locksmith can.
@@paulwoodard4155 that's true, and most burglars don't pick locks anyway, I was pointing out that most "intermediate pickers" wouldn't have a hard time with this lock, that's all
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 I feel like that's kind of difficult to say without knowing the tolerances and machining quality. You also not seeing the security pins themselves, so you can't judge the amount and depth of the serrations or the shape of the spool. The lishi is pretty good at hiding the difficulty of SPP with a standard hook and turning tool. Could be easier than expected, could be quite a bit harder.
@@paulelderson934 knowing that it's an SC cylinder gives away that the tolerances will be decent but noticeable. not seeing the pins themself means nothing when you can literally feel them and know when they're set. I think the lishi serves as a visual aid for the viewers to get a better understanding of what's going on in the lock, and that someone worth their salt in picking will be able to get into this without much trouble
Happy to see at least it is not self picking
I've seen a good few locks win LPL's praise, but I think this is the first time I've seen a smart lock earn it.
Interesting indeed.
Randomized keypads are actually a really neat idea. When I worked at Macy's, the employee entrance had a standard ten-key pad, but each button had a seven-figure display inside that would randomize several iterations (you actually got to watch the numbers scramble) before putting in your code...
@@bannah6400 go away
Sounds overly complicated and just inferior ro Apple HomeKey. That should be adopted as the sole standard. I can’t think of a safer or more convenient way to open a door.
@@DavidRamirez-vc8dr Not everyone has or can afford to buy not just an iPhone, but all the other things you have to get to be able to use it fully (your experience will be severely limited if all you have at home are Windows PCs, for example).
Ah, a 7-segment display (for those confused - think early digital displays with straight lines that produce blocky numbers).
I believe you're referring to the Hirsch ScramblePad, which are now made by Identiv. Nordstrom in particular is a big user of these.
Tapering the pins is an ingenious idea. A commendable effort to ward off less skilled pickers.
"Not great, but also not terrible" as far as readily available consumer grade locks go, that is high praise from LPL.
Especially with the replaceable core, I would buy this lock!
3.6 roentgen, not great, not terrible
What the heck would you replace it with? That had a bunch of really good security features.
Maybe for little added security they should add a switch to the keyhole access plate that sets off an alarm After 30 seconds or so, it shouldn't take long if you have a key.
Have a great day
I like your idea, I'm upvoting and commenting so it may become more visible.
I just had the same idea, but 30 seconds is still quite long. It should be like 5 seconds top.
I would be even better if once the cover plate has moved sideways, a countdown starts on the screen .....
You could also send a message to the owner that lets them prevent opening the lock with a key.
That's actually not a bad idea, and you could implement that on conventional locks as well with a bit of clockwork. Open the key cover against a spring, and a mechanical clock runs down, freezing the lock after 20 seconds. You'd need to harden that cover against drilling / bending of course.
I bought this lock for all of the things that LPL said. I am glad to see this lock getting it's time in the sun. Also saw that the core was replaceable so if I felt like I needed a better one, I could just change it.
But seriously, these locks are awesome. You can go fully digital and give people access with a code that expires during whatever time range you choose. We had someone watch our dog and we gave her 1 code that worked during the time we needed and then don't have to worry about her copying a key or remembering a code.
We've been using it for about 2 years. The tech side of this lock is IMO, best in the industry.
Can you disable Bluetooth on this thing? I don't trust anything wireless.
real, i hope you got a holiday out of them for that!
i don't know your age but maybe you remember those competitions back in the day where you answered a few short questions on a postcard and the 'tie-breaker' was something like: please describe in twelve words or less, why you enjoyed our product/service/experience so much and why others might, too?
basically, a company casting around for new ideas on the cheap and canvassing the public for a new advertising strap thinly disguised as a chance to win (dependent on the size of the company/ the size of their sales dip): a day at the races, a weekend sightseeing trip for two or a fortnight's holiday abroad.
it was never for something more than a week's wages, often for something that cost less than an afternoon's but eventually, you'd learn via a local newspaper investigation or radio interview, that 'mrs rigsby', housewife from essex (more often a david johnson, crossword champion, countdown all-weeker and working under a nom de plume) made a comfortable side-earner as a freelance sloganeer and why not give it a try yourself?
now all you get for your five star review is the kitchen oojamaflip you'd ordered for a bit of fun, given to you for free along with the company catalogue and an offer to continue the arrangement, more or less honestly, filling your house with whatever else they happen to sell as due reward for your superbly succinct and unremittingly positive customer testimonials - oh, for fair! how short-changed are we in this cynical age!
@@billynomates920 ....... what?
@@pomelo9518 i'm not typing all that again! 😅
i wasn't having a go or critisizing real or the lock. it looks a good buy. his comment just reminded me of competitions companies used to offer before the internet was a thing. it just amused me. like i say, if he had have put that on a post card back in the day, he might have legitimately won a foreign vacation. now all you get is the thing for free if they pick your five star review.
@@isthatrubble probably a bot
I've actually often wondered why nobody did that with the randomized positions... seems simple enough with today's technology. Glad to see someone actually addressing that rather obvious weakness to combination locks.
It’s like a half step when Apple HomeKey is already a thing. Sadly, no one offers a HomeKey only lock yet. That’d be truly impenetrable
Probably because it's quite inconvenient to use. You have to look for the right buttons every time, no muscle memory possible.
@@DavidRamirez-vc8dr until the battery dies and you have no backup
@@sebastianjost Touch keypads are inferior to physical buttons (except for these reasons) too.
@Roshan_420 some companies like Yale have external charging port to stick battery in to power up the system in an event of internal battery death
This feels like acknowledgement of a genuinely solid product. That’s pretty cool.
"Not terrible" sounds great from LPL
Not great, not terrible is a quote from HBO's "Chernobyl" series, may be a deliberate reference? /watch?v=ocBVLMHK6c8
Dyankov quality 😄 I agree with the Chernobyl reference too 😄
That one actually performed pretty well. Specialized tool (see edit- stop telling me it's not specialized dangit!), decently long pick time, no immediate and devastating exploits, extra security on the code... Honestly, not a bad job on this one.
Edit: May not be specialized tool. But still had security pins and can be swapped out for something even better. It'll deter anyone inexperienced at the very least.
For someone this experienced to take this long, on the bench, with specific tools, makes me think it's decent kit!
As i understand, lishi is not a specialised tool, more of a quality of life tool for standart implications. With skill you would open any lishi-ble lock using standard tool set, maybe even faster
@@listenbornaby447 Essentially it's a tool that makes picking easier to learn and understand.
@@listenbornaby447 it is a specialised tool because it can only open locks with that key way. that is why he is selling so many versions of the lishis too. it is specialised to open that type of lock with that standart of pin positions only.
@@listenbornaby447 Well, even if that's true, the thing clearly had a few security pins in it and if it can be swapped out for something even better, that's brilliant.
I love that electronic keypad’s approach. That should become the new standard for PIN pads.
I love this lock, owned it now for 3 years. Ty LPL to finally testing this out.
I'm actually in the process of installing these on an entire apartment complex. They thought of a lot of nice features for multi family housing. Pretty good quality hardware.
Considering the dead bolt is not as strong as even a cheap deadbolt you might want to wait and see if LPL has a kick test. No way no how is a battery as strong as a solid deadbolt
@@samualaddams705 What makes you think this deadbolt isn't solid brass? It was the Apple deadbolt, that he reviewed last week, that hid the battery in the bolt. This one appears normal.
Oh shit that's what I get for not having my coffee first. You are ofcourse correct. My bad
@@samualaddams705 Given your name, I would have expected the problem to be Too Much Beer, not Too Little Coffee, but... 🙂
I have this lock. Be aware, that if the pad is either exposed to too much direct sunlight or it is simply too hot outside you might not be able to see the numbers. Maybe mine just does that because it's old, but changing the batteries doesn't help. The only thing that helps a little is keeping it covered by something substantial enough to block light and some of the heat.
For a 300$ lock, it seems fairly okay, nice idea with the randomizer, and upgradeable barrel. Always worries me when hear of blutooth though.
Bluetooth or wifi enabled are red flags for me.
cut the antenna to air gap it
@@seanrobert9661 Bluetooth is optional! You can set it all up locally on the lock.
the sales on this lock are gonna go stonks
its always nice to see LPL highlighting some of the better locks out there in addition to all the bad ones hes pointing out
if only he showed actually good locks
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 he's shown several good examples in the past, for the most part though I think his goal is to hold consumer products accountable
I don't even watch that bad lock videos anymore, it's just sad. It's like watching the NBA play junior basketball - there's no competition. Actual challenges to LPL are wayyyy more interesting and fair.
@@vice.nor.virtue yea, but youre not the main core of society that he wants to reach. Those people who shop on Amazon and think that their reviews equate to a good product whilst having the combined IQ of a rotten potato are. In other words, youve already been educated, the others havent and those are the ones who have the most to lose.
Now, if only we could get a gun safe with the same level of security instead of the ones that you can use a feather on to open...
honestly ... one of the best things about this channel is the community and the comments you find in LPLs videos ^^ love you guys
I use to work for a large military jet engine maker, and the SCIF for classified work had a randomizing combination lock on it. The lock was electronic and the window you viewed the numbers in was an LCD screen. You started turning the dial and at some random point and number it would put a number in the window and you would proceed scrolling until you arrived at the first number. Once you hit the first number and started the dial in the opposite direction it would do the same randomization of the starting point. It required a 4 number combination and the dial scrolled from 0 to 99. That was WAY BACK in the mid 90's. It seemed so high tech at the time, and I always wondered why I never have seen one since. It seems like an obvious security technology.
Additionally, there was a badge scanner and one of those 5 button punch locks to open the vault door, plus a number of cameras looking at you. Once you got inside you had to know the combination to a heavy steel file cabinet, where you would get your files and hard drive from. Then you would go to an open computer pull the security curtain so you were alone, connect your hard drive log in and work.
Lockly stock price soars with the non -negative review from LPL
If a lock takes LPL a minute to open, it's definitely a good pickup in my book! The keypad randomizer is just icing on the cake.
oh man. you need to see what actually decent locks are
oh man. a useless comment meant to display superiority over someone without giving any usable advice
@@JohnSmith-qy1wm what advice would you like?
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 The vast majority of criminals have no idea how to lockpick because it's such a difficult, time-consuming and expensive skill to acquire, so 1 minute for LPL with a special tool really is good enough for the vast majority of applications.
@@isodoubIet that is true. most criminals who burgle houses don't pick locks, thought lockpicking isn't really expensive to get into, but this still isn't as good of a lock as people think it is, and the amount of time it takes a single picker to get open (regardless of if they used a lishi) doesn't actually constitute whether or not a lock is "good". Also, lishi aren't special. The only thing special about them is their ability to decode locks after they've been picked
I am rarely impressed with a lock anymore, but this one is promising. I might recommend it for some of my medical office customers
It's honestly fantastic to see quality products from time to time inbetween all the quality videos on sub-par products :) Thanks LPL!
Great product and company. I've had my Lockly for 3-years now, the first one got buggy after about 20-months, their customer service was great and they quickly shipped out their newest version as a replacement, which I love even more. I also have an August which I like but the Lockly is fantastic. Highly recommend, and would love seeing how to install a more secure core.
I love this! It also forces you to memorize the number instead of a pattern of movement.
It's also interesting that a few of the numbers are randomly duplicated.
The locker rental at a local theme park works this way. You rent the locker at a central kiosk and choose your combination at that time. The combination screen rearranges itself between people to make it harder for the person behind you to see what you choose for a combination.
Thank you. I had bought that tool a while back and I couldn't pick the lock I was trying. I thought it was as simple as just running them 1-5 and it would open. Seeing this video I see you have to keep going back 1-5, 1-5 and at times the lock can fight back. Today I was able to pick the lock I wanted knowing this.
I just put this on my house. Best advertisement you can get. Thanks you LPL
"It's not great, but it's not terrible."
High praise from LPL!
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Normally I see "smart lock" on this channel and think, "OK, how did it fail in basic security this time?"
Imagine my surprise when the basic security actually wasn't terrible.
I have the version with a camera and fingerprint sensor. If the cover on the lock is disturbed the lock will send me a notification with a 15s video of the event.
I do love it when he calls us "folks" in the wrapup everytime. 🤗
Nice to see a lock here that is not just hot garbage.
It is great to know what to stay away from, but sometimes it is also nice to know what might be okay to buy
I just bought a similar lockly lock, very pleased to find LPL giving it such high praise.
The self randomising feature is a great idea. At some customers at work, we have normal mechanical keypads in use and after a short period of time you can clearly see the used numbers by wear of the keys. With common 4 or 5 digit PINs this takes only as long to figuere out, as you need to pick this lock.
The only problem is when I roll out of my Uber piss drunk and try to find the right numbers
@@thomasstevenhebert that's why it also has a key option lol
For normal domestic use, it should be sufficient to have a better lock than your neighbour. Based on this video, replacing the core with something like an Avocet ABS lock, this lock would make me feel relatively safe in my estate.
The standard lock is probably already better than your neighbour's.
Really? What thief goes from door to door to find the most unsafe lock in that area?
If you are worried about picking attacks you need a lock that is good enough so that your average lockpicking thief can't open it. Doesn't matter what your neighbor has.
@@Jehty_ Ones using bump keys instead of breaking and entering. But thieves pretty much never pick a lock.
This is precisely what is happening in our estate quite often. Most of us have video doorbells, so we can actually track the would-be thieves as they go from door to door. Most often, they just try whether it's locked, occasionally they carry a metal tube to wiggle locks lose, and rarely we even get someone trying to pick locks. Of course, this is Ireland, where people with 200+ convictions for burglary walk freely.
Depends on just how secure the 'smart' part of the smarts are as to if that is a justifiable feeling... The keypad is good, but LPL mentioned Bluetooth, for me that is a massive 'oh no' thought, as secure and Bluetooth do not go together all that well. Not like fingerprint are secure either - heck some fingerprint sensors are foolable just from the residue finger oils left behind from the last users.. And looking at Lockly's description their 'cloud service' the locks run from is AWS backed, flaws in AWS core infrastructure do get fixed quicker than some companies would, but its also one of the big ones folks are hunting for bugs in so they are also getting found often too, and any cloud service can go away at any time, a jaded staff member might even be able to unlock every door with a lockly lock because they are all on the same cloud if it catches their fancy...
I actually owned on of these and it has a huge problem. The body suffers thermal differences in the sun and the metal expanding on one side crushing the glass. This stops the touchpad from working. The screen also burns out from even winter sunlight which tells me there isn't any UV shielding on the screen. The Cycling buttons is a great idea but these other flaws forced us to get a different lock after these failures stopped it from working.
If I were in the market for a smart lock this video seems like a glowing endorsement, especially since if you really wanted you could put in a better core.
i really like your video length. I often find myself pausing another video so I can quickly watch your amazing content.
Been a while since we've seen a lock, let alone a smart lock, on this channel that actually deserves a bit of praise!
That's a pretty good lock
The keypad had four groupings of three digits each, which is a total of 12 digits. Some digits were repeated, offering a bit more security.
took a closer look and realized that the repeated numbers’ position are the same :P
↗️🕗=↘️🕛,↙️🕛=↘️🕓.
No, the opposite. If all four buttons have unique numbers, then hitting right button by change is 1/4. If the right number is on two buttons, then you get it right by change 1/2. I don't think that is very good lock.
Definitely makes it less secure. If I have a 5 in my combo and 5 is in 2 spots, my single combo essentially turns into 2 combos, making it easier to guess.
@@user255 If the buttons didn't move around and the number combinations stayed the same, your point would be valid. But those aren't the case. It would be impractical to try to bypass this lock by clicking buttons randomly, because you can't tell when you've already tried the pattern that the lock presents you with.
And mixing up both the button positions and which numbers are on any given button, it's not feasible to try to spy on someone entering the combination. Even if you can read the buttons, you still have a lot of possibilities to try out, and if you can't, well...seeing the positions won't help at all.
@@harvey66616 Not true. The point is that this systems allows you to try several codes at *one* try. You can do it systematically even when the buttons reposition. Example when you push button which has numbers 1, 2 and 3. Then you have started to input *all* codes that begins either with 1, 2 or 3. The math I presented holds.
It’s always fun to watch these kinds of videos because I work at a Hardware store, and I’ve sold this lock to multiple people before. I gotta say hearing LPL praise it means I’ll only recommend it to more people.
I got one of these locks specifically because of the changing key pad. However, after a year, the pad kept giving a fail beep, even during the night when no-one was around - this also wore the batteries out. After numerous emails with customer care I was told that the unit had failed. Oh, and that they couldn't replace it as I was outside of the US. Basically, when it fails it turns into a normal lock, but when you don't carry a key because you don't need to, then you're locked out. So, you then have to make sure there is a key safe just in case. This now means that the key safe is the weakest point making this moot.
Basically, this is not reliable enough to be used normally. At least add a constant power hook up or solar cell to make sure it's always charged!
At last a relatively safe lock.
I know right, this channel really makes you lose all faith in locks so it is nice to see something like this.
and it's a smart lock, almost all "smart" locks I watched on this channel has some fatal flaw(s)..
@@Voltaic_Fire it would seem you have a skewed idea of what "good" locks are then
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 He basically has made a career of pulling out locks and opening them in seconds while talking about how unsecure they are, the only real take away is "you are never safe".
@@themixgenius1993 I love my August Pro. Pick your deadbolt, replace the inside thumb turn. Uses an adapter to work with multiple brands of deadbolt tail stocks.
3:40 video = a win in my book
This might been the best lock we've seen for several years on this channel
This keypad is actually pretty good! The fact that you could only pick it, and that picking took yo8 a fair bit of time with a lishi, is impressive. Means they actually put some thought into it. Plus with a reppacabke core, means you can get an even better lock
I love Lockly. I have a couple of their locks in our home so I'm so psyched to see LPL try to pick this particular one cause this is what i have on my front door! Been using this for two years now and planning to get one more on their website for our rental house
I have this lock and most of it is really nice and feature rich. The only flaw I've had with it, is somehow rain and or humidity will get inside the electronics part (interior section) of the lock itself. I've had to replace it 4 times in 3 or 4 years. I'm not sure how or why it's happening. But opening the battery pack, after about a year, will show mold and galvanic corrosion. As well as inside the interior section of the housing where motherboard is. If I could find a solution to this, it would be a 9 out of 10. But I can't recommend buying it until this solved by the manufacturer.
This is really cool!! Also when you input the code the second time, some of the numbers appeared in multiple circles! That means that even on a signal set of numbers there's multiple combinations that can work, which I would think also help to throw off any wood-be watchers. Very nice!!
That is a good lock. If it takes LPL that long to pick, it is beyond maybe even some locksmith skill level.
I think this means that this one is good enough that the destructive measures will be more likely than a bump key or exploit. Seems pretty nice.
This is a product I would purchase. Thank you LPL
This lock seems to be the best digital lock I've seen here.
The issue with that randomized code is that if you can observe a few attempts then you can deduce the full sequence by elimination, it's useful only for single view but a simple camera will pick it up after 4 successful entry...
But wouldn't a non-randomized one be picked up by a camera after only 1 successful entry? So it's still an improvement over other products.
Why don't smart lock makers not just implement a time limit for key insertion to prevent piccing? Like a 1-3 second limit. If an object is inside for more than that time without an unlock it needs to be removed before you can retry. You could also put a 30 second delay on so you'll have to wait before key reentry.
Because the key is generally intended to be a mechanical bypass. If the lock loses power or it's firmware bugs out, the owner needs a way to open their door. Implementing an electronic time lock out could risk compromising this backup.
@@Drasvin good point. You could make the lockout disable itself in the case of dysfunction or no power. So the activation of the lockout is electronical with like a small magnet that needs power and thus mechanically defaults back to no lockout. The next logical step could be to make the entire lockout mechanism mechanical. That could be possible with Springs and stuff which we already use in kitchen timers etc. No?
@@KearnuPhoenix You can't securely and confidently detect electric disfunction if there is a disfunction. Any mechanic override must lack electric parts to be an override, otherwise electric tampering could disable it. And then it is no longer an override
The other benefit is that even if someone watches you put in the code up close, each press has the potential to be one of three different numbers, so they wouldn't be able to guess what it could be. Since each circle counts for all the numbers inside.
This is what I use for my front door, so it's really nice hearing such praise for it!!
One of the better made keypads I’ve seen on the market
I like how two of the numbers are always repeated on the touchscreen, so you could actually (theoretically) input the same code different ways on the same screen.
That makes it easier to guess. Cool feature for a lock
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20.
Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God.
Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!
not too hard for lpl in his lab = nearly impossible for at least 3/4 of pickers when placed in a door. I'd say this lock was honestly pretty impressive, and if you really need the core to be better you can swap it yourself, which serious people might do just on principle anyway. Seems like a good lock to me!
it's not terrible is probably the nicest thing i've seen him say about a smart lock
Having the key next to you while you picked really helped visualisation
What locks would you recommend? It seems like every one can be picked in minutes or less
Acording to the standard we used to see here, this one is a very good one.
Every lock can be picked with enough know-how, specialized tools and experience.
Think of it this way - a lock is usually designed to be unlocked by a non-destructive method. The goal of a lockpicker is to imitate that method using tools or other tricks (shaking something open, for example). The LPL is an absolute master of his craft. I'm talking top 1% of lockpickers. Your average burglar or bike thief is more likely to opt for a destructive method.
If you want a good lock, look for the ones that are well-protected against physical attacks (cutting etc) or require specialized tools to open
If it takes LPL at least a minute to pick it, even with Lishi tool (which does simplify the process significantly), then the lock is at least 4 out of 5.
I'm sure there isn't a lock on the market that won't be. You have to remember, LPL has been at this for years and years. Yes there are also MANY more that are just as skilled. As he stated get a lock with a standard format, so you can always aim to get something with this, this try to put more security pins to take a bit more time, but in the end, if they want something in your house, sadly they will get it :(
Pair locks with zone cameras to see the porch, the area around it, and a super wide as well. Or at the very least a camera at the door to catch anyone trying to break in to get their mug shot for the authorities.
@@Vortechtral If you're as good at lock picking as LPL and you have a similar toolset, you're less likely to want to break into homes to burglarise them, as you can make quite a bit of money as a call-out locksmith, so you don't need to resort to crime for money.
The kind of crime that someone of LPL's skill would commit would be corporate / government / military / drug gang related, where the stakes are much higher.
I always wondered, how come when applying counter-rotation for a spool pin, the other pins don’t drop back down?
Its a balancing act. You allow a little, but not too much. It can result in unsetting pins, in which case you pick again.
Sometimes they drop back down.
sometimes they do
Longest pick I've seen from LPL in a while, I'm sold!
I really enjoyed the videos where you did a teardown of the locks you picked. This is a great product and wouldn't mind seeing more from the inside.
Nice to see a longer video with a better quality item
from what I can recall, this lock just got about one of the highest ratings ever.
it has no obvious and very easy to exploit flaw unlike about 95% of the other locks featured here 👍
LPL says: it's not terrible, some skill required
The best compliment short of jamming your door
any time it's a smart lock, any method that isn't him smacking it with a mallet is pretty much a seal of approval
Cheaper than that lock from the Apple store and performs better. What a glowing review.
"As for pick resistance […] it's also not terrible" That's pretty high praise. :D
Still amazing at the relative ease to pick the lock.
LPL: "Not terrible"
Lock: instantly sold out
I picked this exact lock without the tools you used available and I filmed it. There's a video with your name literally in the title. You would definitely enjoy it.
That is a very clever solution to a big security problem.
That's a rather glowing recommendation for this lock
This is one of the first videos I’ve seen where the lock is actually pretty good
A good lock that will thwart any unskilled villain. I wonder how often the battery must be replaced.