Yep. Also figured that this one will be one of the best general purpose Nature packs too. Question is - do you REALLY need Mushrooms to deal with these packs or was it possible without them. Personally, to me it looks like devs just want those recent Thea and Mojo reworks to pay off
You are right, it was the preparation for that combo. It's not necessary but it makes a difference when you get a 400k hit at your tank and your positioning gets destroyed. The pressure is much higher with her
Clearly this team has some interesting synergy, but as I never invested much in Mojo and Alvanor I didn't put much effort in Mushy and Shroom until now, as I am more focussed on obtaining the Asta cybernetic skin. Maybe later on with a new skin for Mushy. Also, I never ever thought Mojo would be worth to level up further besides his use with Jhu against the hydra. But after his rework he seems to be a great counter against Jorgen, what is a very useful asset. Seriously thinking of upgrading Mojo anyway just for this reason. Question for the Asta-Satori-Celeste-Jorgen-Martha team, although it won it was very close. Jorgen seems to be useless. Which hero would you use to replace Jorgen in that team? Is Amira a good choice? Can't test it myself. About counteriung this team, what do you think are the best counter teams against this team besides twins and ADA? Quick crit teams? Celeste should be a soft counter? Iris?
Yeah Mojo is here the key and Nexter showed us his universal usage 🙂 mushy is just for more pressure. The silence is not bad and she can even die and her "minions" are still fighting. Instead of Jorgen you could use Phobos, Cornelius. Alvanor reduces physical basic attacks and for many crit teams very bad, because the double damage will be only calculated with the rest. For example 55k dmg minus 43k = 12k and if it's a crit = 24k.
Heroes that benefit with/from heroes of the same faction (mobile only): Amira & Satori Alvanor, Mojo & Darkstar Corvus, Morrigan & Iris Tristan, Artemis, Helios( Not good synergy though) Isac, Ginger, and debatably Astrid Lilith, Xe'sha, and debatably Cleaver
Just for your understanding why people say this: because her spread damage loads the energy of enemies faster (lost life converts into energy) and your behind enemies use their ultimate earlier, which is generally bad for you. But that's how Keira works and you have the option to kill exactly those "hidden" enemies or elmirs clones, morrigan skeletons. I used Keira Dorian Lilith a long time and Lilith attacks the middle too. Worked pretty well. With Fafnir or Sebastian + Jet you need this skill to apply massive damage to all enemies. Without this skill you should change your main hero in my opinion. I've upgraded the skill and I would do it again✌️ Don't forget most priority her armor penetration! 🙂
Hey, I like Cleaver 🤣 I tried Chabba a little bit in max testings and I had not the feeling he is that good like his stats are showing. He is in nature faction and can get with Alvanor additional power (healing and physical basic att reduction). Together nice. Alone medium The same for Aurora but she is really really strong against mages. I kill sometimes the whole team with mages and it's 5 vs 1, but she kills all 🤣 here is the key her high magic penetration value. She has dodging abilities but she is weak to physical attacks (no armor buff like other tanks). Against physical team depends more on lucky dodges Ziri is the other ways around, good versus physical attacks. Better in def because of timeouts. I don't like her because in the critical situation she burries herself. So you need someone on pos 2 who is not squishy. Option 4: Aurora + Astaroth / Alvanor They help Aurora against physical attacks. Asta needs not much investment to be usefull in that idea, because he transfers the damage skill dependent
@@herowarssuddendeath Thanks for your reply and analysis. l like cleaver too, and I have built him, my cleaver now is around 90000. I will follow your advice and go with aurora + alvanor. My asta is around 95000. I think I need a strong tank for mage teams.
Is there a value to put DS instead of Thea? To further enforce the pressure to the front? I have multiple such nature teams on our server: magic - aurora, mushi, alva, mojo, DS. Or physical - aurora, yas, alva, seb, mojo. In physical case mojo accelerates energy gaining and healing for yas
Yes, DS can be used instead of thea. It was just what I had at this moment to show. Meanwhile some changes happened and new heroes were released. I wanted to create a mushy meta video but some other things happened 🙃 Rufus is the best to counter mushy Orion is a much better assist than DS because of the permanent MP buffs. It's a scary setup but easy to counter (Iris + Nebula + Rufus are a good base) Yasmine in that team is medium because she gets less damage and can easily blocked by Jorgen
Mojo dies instantly against Iris and (when combined with Phobos) Alvanor dies too. The familiar kills the little blue mushrooms pretty quickly too. Nature team gets destroyed by her again
@@herowarssuddendeath Iris to me just feels over powered. Amira and/or Lian at significantly more investment than Iris might work against her, but even that isn’t even more than a 50/50
If she is paired with Corvus then Keira Dori Fafnir works pretty well 🙂 against jorgen face iris dorian worked for me corvus morri faceless phobos martha
I'm unfortunately dependent on other players 😅 I would say it's more mojo than mushy but her strong blue skill works really well with him after he used his ultimate. If you have no strong Mojo I wouldn't upgrade her. That's why we had the Mojo brawl. He is quite good and with mushy he shines even more 😉
New Heroes are generally always better. They have only the default skin and their performance is already very good. The potential is there. Your Mojo should have artefact weapon absolut star and yes with Alvanor the impact is better (he provides also MA boost). Personally I will upgrade her later.
@herowarssuddendeath I subbed DS for thea. Seems to work better with the extra burst dmg but there will be less healing. Still gets smashed hard by iris.
Yeah Iris works pretty well, also against DS 🙂 if you use Mojo don't forget to build his MD skin then Iris without supporter won't be that problem 😉 aurora with full MP skin is also very hard for Corvus without the new skin
Amiras skills won't really help you. Only her artefact weapon has a good effect. The key is magic defense as high as possible (Phobos works well). Rufus (even a low one) is a very great tank aginst mushy and is a mystic too. Just keep in mind if he dies they will go forward and silence has a better area effect
Speed buffs and healing. Nowadays this comp isn't that good anymore (endgame) But we will get new glyphs and I've read something about healer will get a boost. So perhaps this combo comes back 🙃
@@herowarssuddendeath Thanks for the reply. What will be the other best comp other than tristan, fafnir , arthemis combo? I build that comba that you sugested in other video and works perfectly. What would you recommend ?
Iris is definitly a great choice here 👍aurora has also problems if she gets big magical hits like this. Her shield works different than many know 😜 And mushy without MP buff (what mojo provides now very fast), her hits will be very low, especially against tanks. DS helps to expose 2. pos but even 3k magic defense reduce the amount by 50%
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Yep. Also figured that this one will be one of the best general purpose Nature packs too.
Question is - do you REALLY need Mushrooms to deal with these packs or was it possible without them.
Personally, to me it looks like devs just want those recent Thea and Mojo reworks to pay off
You are right, it was the preparation for that combo. It's not necessary but it makes a difference when you get a 400k hit at your tank and your positioning gets destroyed. The pressure is much higher with her
Clearly this team has some interesting synergy, but as I never invested much in Mojo and Alvanor I didn't put much effort in Mushy and Shroom until now, as I am more focussed on obtaining the Asta cybernetic skin. Maybe later on with a new skin for Mushy.
Also, I never ever thought Mojo would be worth to level up further besides his use with Jhu against the hydra. But after his rework he seems to be a great counter against Jorgen, what is a very useful asset. Seriously thinking of upgrading Mojo anyway just for this reason.
Question for the Asta-Satori-Celeste-Jorgen-Martha team, although it won it was very close. Jorgen seems to be useless. Which hero would you use to replace Jorgen in that team? Is Amira a good choice? Can't test it myself.
About counteriung this team, what do you think are the best counter teams against this team besides twins and ADA? Quick crit teams? Celeste should be a soft counter? Iris?
Yeah Mojo is here the key and Nexter showed us his universal usage 🙂 mushy is just for more pressure. The silence is not bad and she can even die and her "minions" are still fighting.
Instead of Jorgen you could use Phobos, Cornelius.
Alvanor reduces physical basic attacks and for many crit teams very bad, because the double damage will be only calculated with the rest. For example 55k dmg minus 43k = 12k and if it's a crit = 24k.
Heroes that benefit with/from heroes of the same faction (mobile only):
Amira & Satori
Alvanor, Mojo & Darkstar
Corvus, Morrigan & Iris
Tristan, Artemis, Helios( Not good synergy though)
Isac, Ginger, and debatably Astrid
Lilith, Xe'sha, and debatably Cleaver
I would add Fafnir. He provides double sword buff for honor heroes
@@herowarssuddendeath oh, that's right but only if said honor heroes have the strength stat (Tristan, Galahad and Luther)
Opponent must have the strength main stat 😉 so against all "tanks", jorgen,jhu,lilith
I have a question some say we should not level Keira dancing blade skill should I level or not.
Just for your understanding why people say this: because her spread damage loads the energy of enemies faster (lost life converts into energy) and your behind enemies use their ultimate earlier, which is generally bad for you.
But that's how Keira works and you have the option to kill exactly those "hidden" enemies or elmirs clones, morrigan skeletons. I used Keira Dorian Lilith a long time and Lilith attacks the middle too. Worked pretty well.
With Fafnir or Sebastian + Jet you need this skill to apply massive damage to all enemies.
Without this skill you should change your main hero in my opinion. I've upgraded the skill and I would do it again✌️
Don't forget most priority her armor penetration! 🙂
Hi, could you give me some suggestions on hero Chabba. Is it worth the investment? which tank is better to level, chabba, ziri or auora? Thanks
Hey, I like Cleaver 🤣 I tried Chabba a little bit in max testings and I had not the feeling he is that good like his stats are showing. He is in nature faction and can get with Alvanor additional power (healing and physical basic att reduction). Together nice. Alone medium
The same for Aurora but she is really really strong against mages. I kill sometimes the whole team with mages and it's 5 vs 1, but she kills all 🤣 here is the key her high magic penetration value. She has dodging abilities but she is weak to physical attacks (no armor buff like other tanks). Against physical team depends more on lucky dodges
Ziri is the other ways around, good versus physical attacks. Better in def because of timeouts. I don't like her because in the critical situation she burries herself. So you need someone on pos 2 who is not squishy.
Option 4: Aurora + Astaroth / Alvanor
They help Aurora against physical attacks. Asta needs not much investment to be usefull in that idea, because he transfers the damage skill dependent
@@herowarssuddendeath Thanks for your reply and analysis. l like cleaver too, and I have built him, my cleaver now is around 90000.
I will follow your advice and go with aurora + alvanor. My asta is around 95000.
I think I need a strong tank for mage teams.
No problem, Cleaver needs his "new" MD skin to be the allrounder.
Is there a value to put DS instead of Thea? To further enforce the pressure to the front? I have multiple such nature teams on our server: magic - aurora, mushi, alva, mojo, DS. Or physical - aurora, yas, alva, seb, mojo. In physical case mojo accelerates energy gaining and healing for yas
Yes, DS can be used instead of thea. It was just what I had at this moment to show. Meanwhile some changes happened and new heroes were released. I wanted to create a mushy meta video but some other things happened 🙃
Rufus is the best to counter mushy
Orion is a much better assist than DS because of the permanent MP buffs. It's a scary setup but easy to counter (Iris + Nebula + Rufus are a good base)
Yasmine in that team is medium because she gets less damage and can easily blocked by Jorgen
@@herowarssuddendeath thank you for the reply! That would be great if you will create nature fraction team video based on the latest updates
Mojo dies instantly against Iris and (when combined with Phobos) Alvanor dies too. The familiar kills the little blue mushrooms pretty quickly too.
Nature team gets destroyed by her again
They want always to have counters. Some are easier, some are harder 🙂 and of course a good reason to upgrade all 🤣🤑
@@herowarssuddendeath Iris to me just feels over powered. Amira and/or Lian at significantly more investment than Iris might work against her, but even that isn’t even more than a 50/50
Corvus helps if she hasn't Dorian on her side 😉
@@herowarssuddendeath Usually she is paired with Dorian. She seems to work better with Chaos than anyone
If she is paired with Corvus then Keira Dori Fafnir works pretty well 🙂 against jorgen face iris dorian worked for me corvus morri faceless phobos martha
You are the best 🥺
Thank you if it's not sarcasm 🤣✌️
@@herowarssuddendeath definitely not a sarcasm, that team was my request from a previous video ❤️
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First ;P thanks once again :) Muschi it is ! :))
Haha 🤣✌️
So.... the twins conquer all.... I guess 🤔🤔🤔
They have many use cases and variations 🙂
Thanks bro amazing video, please do more fart set ups, is mushy worth building?
I'm unfortunately dependent on other players 😅 I would say it's more mojo than mushy but her strong blue skill works really well with him after he used his ultimate. If you have no strong Mojo I wouldn't upgrade her. That's why we had the Mojo brawl. He is quite good and with mushy he shines even more 😉
@@herowarssuddendeath my mojo 74k my aurora Martha maxed, alvanor low
New Heroes are generally always better. They have only the default skin and their performance is already very good. The potential is there. Your Mojo should have artefact weapon absolut star and yes with Alvanor the impact is better (he provides also MA boost). Personally I will upgrade her later.
Will the 4th Dark Star Skill also be applied to magic damage?
Yes
@herowarssuddendeath I subbed DS for thea. Seems to work better with the extra burst dmg but there will be less healing. Still gets smashed hard by iris.
Yeah Iris works pretty well, also against DS 🙂 if you use Mojo don't forget to build his MD skin then Iris without supporter won't be that problem 😉 aurora with full MP skin is also very hard for Corvus without the new skin
wow nice can satori beat this mushi or better satori+amira? my server is full of mushy team and top 1-5 is mushy team.
Amiras skills won't really help you. Only her artefact weapon has a good effect. The key is magic defense as high as possible (Phobos works well). Rufus (even a low one) is a very great tank aginst mushy and is a mystic too. Just keep in mind if he dies they will go forward and silence has a better area effect
How Thea help in this comp?
Speed buffs and healing.
Nowadays this comp isn't that good anymore (endgame)
But we will get new glyphs and I've read something about healer will get a boost. So perhaps this combo comes back 🙃
@@herowarssuddendeath Thanks for the reply. What will be the other best comp other than tristan, fafnir , arthemis combo? I build that comba that you sugested in other video and works perfectly. What would you recommend ?
Julius Judge Isaac with Nebula Ginger/Astrid and/or Yasmine + Sebastian.
Bro can you tell me how you are making these testing ? Teams vs each other
Asking other people to put this team in training and then look what the others are doing 😅
Yeah my twins are probably my 5th best team but they are my best counter to new mushy teams thus far. I will test Rufus, Celeste.
Rufus is so good against new MoMushy 👍
@@herowarssuddendeath my Rufus only 59k but does what he needs to against MA
I think Corvus Aurora Celeste Iris and Martha kill this team easily, but its a nice combo. I think andy avlanor mushy DS Martha would be betther
Iris is definitly a great choice here 👍aurora has also problems if she gets big magical hits like this. Her shield works different than many know 😜
And mushy without MP buff (what mojo provides now very fast), her hits will be very low, especially against tanks. DS helps to expose 2. pos but even 3k magic defense reduce the amount by 50%
@@herowarssuddendeath i think the real deal would be celeste. Once she turns you healing into damage... Alvanor kill his own team