Not the manner or tone I would expect from someone who calls themselves a respected archaeologist or a person older than a high school sophomore. I don't know if Hancock's right or wrong, but your way of broaching this is definitely wrong.
He has made an offer to debate an archaeologist on the Rogan show. You should contact him and do it. I think the rules for both of you should state that "I read it in a book" is not proof of knowledge........
Can you please explain why you dismiss the ground penetrating radar that showed 3 rectangular voids in the “natural hill.” This is an honest question as you only addressed the material dating. Thank you in advance!
Empty chambers don't prove anything is anthropogenic - voids below the surface can be natural. I just read the paper and while the presence of voids is well documented by the work they did, there's nothing in the paper that indicates they are man-made.
It's built on an ancient volcano. Volcanos have lava tubes in them... empty "chambers" where lava once flowed. It would have been more odd if they didn't find any.
You cannot prove those were not modified after their "natural" formation. Again, you make baseless claims with zero proof. Go head and say it, but that doesn't make it so. @@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology
I've been there, almost volunteered for the dig like 11 years ago when it become drama between old vs young archeologist in Indonesia. When an israeli professor wanted to join the research, indonesia government decided to stop the research. And leave it like that. I don't want claim it as oldest pyramid, but how you explain about the 'rolling stone' ? The stone that they found was 11cm and expanded to 26cm when taken outside 🤔
For a long time there have been several elite people, some of whom have collaborated with magicians to hunt down advanced technology left by Lemurian-Atlanteans in various countries especially in Indonesia the country of origin of the Attala and Sundaland Aryan (in Arysio Santos & S Oppenheimer theory) some of which have become extinct and some of which have disappeared in the intermarriage of various races. it's proven the mixed marriage of Sundaland brown Austronesians with European white Caucasians could produce generations of Sundaland Aryan in 60% approx. the 'rolling stone' it's a nano-tech of Dorphal : a small piece of evidence of the advanced technological remains of the Attala (Lemurian-Atlanteans) in Sundaland (Hind). I won't tell you all the secrets of the advanced Lemurian-Attala (Atlanteans) technology to you, because maybe World War 3 could happen quickly or genocide of very large numbers is occur. let Indonesia look damaged, dirty, many of its people are unattractive, don't know their ancestors, have low IQs, despised by many countries in the world, slaves to rich countries. Imagine if all Indonesian people realized that they had been deceived, fooled, then they were enthusiastic about build Attala again, start from interbreeding of brown-skinned Austronesians with the white Caucasian resulting Sundaland Aryan generations, isn't this similar to the NAZI project? even worse because to be honest, there are several Sundaland brown people who can make prototype of anti-gravity vehicle and build a teleportation portal under the temple ground but 'they' kept it a secret.
Anda orang Indonesia? Saya mengikuti perkembangan berita gunung Padang ketika itu , ada bau-bau pencitraan politik presiden di proyek penelitian gunung padang yang dipimpin oleh Andi Arief , dia adalah staf khusus presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. Proyek tersebut dihentikan ketika posisi presiden digantikan oleh Jokowi.
@@benonh2667 drama antara arkeolog muda vs tua. Yg tua ngga mau pake excavator atau pun melibatkan volunteer. Sedangkan kalo murni pake duit pemerentah kan duit nya ga ada. Sependek pengetahuan saya yg bukan professional sih ya begitu doang.
@@lusydiel3742 lebih kompleks sebetulnya mas , gak hanya sekedar arkeolog muda vs tua , yg terlihat di media dan forum2 ilmuwan kan cuman itu. Tapi dibelakangnya sebetulnya yang terjadi itu arkeolog muda vs tua , masyarakat adat sekitar dan penganut Kahuripan vs komunitas perdukunan. Trus ada kubu SBY vs kubu Jokowi ,Knp saya tulis komunitas perdukunan,nah ini lucunya ada komunitas perdukunan namanya Turangga seta , sebetulnya mereka ini yang pertama kali melakukan hipotesa adanya Piramida di gunung Padang lewat kemenyan wkwkwkwk ,Krn keduluan timnya Andi Arief melakukan geo radar. Mereka mencak2 🤣😂🤣, yg dapat nama di media itu timnya Andi Arief bukan mereka 🤣😂🤣😂 . Turangga seta ini juga pernah melakukan penggalian di gunung lalakon dan hipotesa Sadahurip yg diisukan ada Piramida di dalamnya . Balik lg ke gunung Padang , Nah kenapa saya tulis masyarakat adat sekitar dan penganut Kahuripan, soalnya saya pernah kesana dan ngobrol2 dengan kuncennya , dan kata mereka itu mereka gak suka gunung Padang digali2 dan katanya ada dibom di dalam tanahnya . Bagi mereka penelitian itu ngerusak gunung Padang. Padahal di mana2 juga begitu prosesnya , bahkan arkeolog tua malah pernah pakai ekskavator saat gali situs Liyangan. Masalah drama kubu SBY vs kubu Jokowi sebetulnya masalah pencitraan aja tapi gara2 ini akhirnya itu penelitian berhenti , kubu Jokowi nganggap bahwa penelitian gunung Padang ini peninggalan pencitraan SBY ditambah desakan masyarakat adat setempat, penganut Kahuripan dan arkeolog tua ,mereka menuntut untuk pendanaan penelitian ini dihentikan, ya akhirnya pendanaannya dihentikan oleh Jokowi
@@benonh2667 sebenarnya sayang hloo kalo dihentiin, cuma gegara masalah tolol.. haruse itu berpihaknya pd Ilmu Pengetahuan.. Itu kan sejarah kita, budaya kita.. Masa iya siih kita ngga kepo kapan sbetule situs itu dibangun, tujuan dibangunnya knapa, knapa ditinggalin, kapan mulai ditinggalin, dll.. haruse proyek risetnya tetep jalan aja.. biarin Ilmu Pengetahuan yg bicara.. mau umurnya 1000 tahun kek, 2000 tahun kek, 20.000 tahun kek terserah aja yg penting ilmiah..
Ad hominem attacks, use of expressions like ''silly'', ''obvious, laughable fake'', ''nonsense'': Is that the new scientific method when rebuking new researches and theories ? Good tip for you: you will never make somebody change his mind by throwing insults and ridicule them, no matter how right you are or think you are (like this particular case). In a past life you must have been one of the guys who argued that the earth was round because hey, thinking otherwise would be silly, a nonsense and obviously laughable...
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology English is my 2nd language, and I believe the earth is round. That's all you got professor ? Talk about a strong rebuke, I guess I hit a nerve!
@@jfhoule8530 I’ve found that keyboard warriors often give themselves fake credit for “hitting a nerve” because that’s all they really want. It has nothing to do with the topic - you just want validation.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Oh I'm far from a keyboard warrior. Just a regular guy who hates people like you who belittle others and have zero argumentation.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology the desperation to convince people of what you think you "know" is incredibly sad lol. THAT is why you are up and down the comments and THAT is why it "makes this funny".
It is always amazing for me to see grown adults, and "scientists", being dogmatic, not really looking at the facts and go to the places by themselves to take their own conclusions in site, or gather with experts from different fields and be open minded to possibilities and listen to the opinions and views of complementary scientific fields... I just see here someone that acts like a child and ridiculously takes the value of other people's work and investigations even without going to the details of the issues he is talking about.. My dear human fellow, you will not be heard by intelligent people with that kind of approach. That is a too childish style and with a lot of prejudice and arrogance on it. Be humble my friend! Once the earth was thought to be flat and the center of the universe and anyone who challenged the status quo of the mainstream view , or the ruling paradigm was treated just the way you do. People talking about others work without taking serious investigation on the subject is always a red flag to run from. Take care. Peace ✌🏽🙂🔅☀️
I love these - when they spend a huge paragraph talking about how much of an asshole I am then sign off with “peace.” 🙄 Yes, peace be with you, to go with the hypocrisy.
These "findings" were actually credited in article by Finnish national news as "possibly changing the history of human kind". Quite frustrating that that this thing has gotten so much coverage
Yeah but the fact they got those date in a volcanic mount is kind of important. Because if the void is volcanic he should have come back with no dating because volcano emit no c14. Ignoring the data because handcock is speculating about it won't do anything.
Well yes, doest this change the 'history' of mankind by putting 'civilization' in the hands of thought to be hunter-gatherer people's in a land that is faced with constant ecological changes?
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology you really think this kind of catty-ness shows well? You're supposed to be the expert here and all I see is a bunch of little cry baby responses. C'mon professor, flash that PHD along with all your personally found evidence.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology The latest report suggests a tunnel and two large ten by ten by ten meter cavities in the shape of cubes. The Radar cross sections are quite revealing. Not even curious about what is inside? The government is, and is organizing a tender to drill inside with camera's. They know South American (and other pyramids) usually are on top of time capsules, graves, tunnels, dedications to local gods, sites where gold was refined using mercury. Their mind is open enough to see this sculpted mountain as... possibly sculpted /embellished by hands, because there is no unique reason why there should be dirt on top of this lava outcrop which sticks out above the terrain. It could be natural or not, as the site was designated for repeated human use, apparently. The archaeological report has several independent occupation strata separated each by thousands of years. Cahokia Indians constructed dirt mounds. Dating the dirt is relevant. All are enough reason to continue investigating.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Wrong. From the paper: "The landscape of Gunung Padang reveals an isolated and elongated hill, oriented south-north, with symmetrical and flat east and west flanks. The hilltop is characterized by a flat-truncated surface adorned with stone terraces embellished with standing stones, known as menhirs."
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeologyI read the report- you still haven't proven anything. It's funny when people claiming to be professional speak with the same arrogance the 2-sided political realm breeds... but I'm sure it's unrelated. Fact- You have proven nothing yourself. You don't see the irony when you say "what we have here is a big waste of time."
I don't need to see geological stratigraphy in person to know what it is. This is a classic pseudoarchaeological move - "since you haven't been there, you don't know." I know. 100%. The report is asinine and embarrassing. This will eventually be corrected, but will not be reported on much (Hancock will have long moved on to his next debacle by then).
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology yeah, poor answer when you've spent time making a video and responding to 100+ different people here. Take all that free time, fly out there and do your own research.
I watch this in hopes of there, being a new excavation, or research paper, or some kind of hard evidence presented, which would back up your claims. At no point did you address the caverns within the hill. This sounds like someone riding another brothers coattails to get clicks.
Look at the ”mountains” around you, most happen to have a pyramid shape to it?? Funny how they thought Göbleki Tepe (and the other sites in Turkey) were thought to be simple HILLS!! You're assuming they built pyramids for housing, as you say it would be pointless doing it this way, but your mind is narrowminded saying these things.
The Gunung Padang site is located on the island of Java, specifically the Sunda region. Many people on TH-cam believe that the Gunung Padang site is the oldest pyramid in the world and is often associated with the sunda empire 😊
Sorry as an indonesian we call it "punden berundak" not a pyramid. So different. You should learn the history first. I don't why people now called gunung padang as a pyramid😅.
@@TheEudaemonicPlague So I asked for a proof, and that's your reply to my question. You're some kind of special aren't you ? But hey, my mon always told me not to make fun of people with special needs or mental challenges, so I'll do just that...
Love the fact that this guy feels so butt hurt by the comments that he’s felt a need to respond to so many of them😂 YT comment section, the pinnacle of intellectuals coming together to discuss ideas and move the sciences forward.
Half the comments are your own. Are you just feeding the algorithm hoping to get more exposure? Doesn’t change your attitude or character. I feel like a lot of the comments will forever disagree with you just due to your conviction on more assumptions. Those assumptions being your own or other professionals in your industry. As for me, to be honest you sound too smug. Theirs too much content about any one subject so if I want to find anything about archeology I’ll go somewhere else. GL in your endeavours
@@defid.system9298 yes, “do your own research.” And shockingly, you are right that I agree with other professionals. Note to self - agree with quacks, fakes, and scam artists next time instead of professionals! I learn so much here.
1. He said it is not like a pyramid, it is like a step pyramid. Very similar to the Egyptian version that was built before the regular pyramids. 2. The blocks that were stacked up, absolutely look like the similar retaining walls that are used today for all those rich neighborhoods. So that wall is in the realm of plausibility. 3. It’s easy to debate a video, but I would be more interested if you flew out there and had a discussion with the local archaeologists and take a look for yourself. Now saying that I am curious as to why, if they have the ability to drill, they do not do it into one of those chambers they were referring to. If they were to break into an empty area, they could test the air inside and also send down a camera. That would certainly satisfy the underground chamber radar theory. I do agree that drilling into the dirt seemed absolutely senseless to me. Of course the deeper you go the older the dirt is going to be. They should’ve drilled into those chambers.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident". . Arthur Schopenhauer . Just wait, Kinkella. ;)-
I must say this is unconvincing in every way. Lack of proof and explanations as well as a childish delivery. Im dismissing this guy because he sounds like a complete scammer.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology only a fool would learn from this channel lol Besides, the way mainstream acrh's deny and dismiss their mistakes, and theres lots of them. Biggest one being the actual start of civilization ...and the span of human history. Kinda takes away their credibility. Now take this mess of a video done by a childish presenter. Exactly what we have come to expect from mainstreamers. Trash and slander. Attacks without any real showing of evidence. Dont quit your day job. Utube is not your thing.
The smugness on display here doesn't make your case, it just makes you look smug. Even if you were right talking to people like they're morons isn't going to make them go "oh well since you put it like that..." How about just a teeny tiny bit of curiosity? I bet you're one of the guys saying gobekli tepe was built by hunter gatherers. Ok dude.
Common attack - if you disagree with Hancock you are “smug.” When someone is lying to me, and I say “stop lying to me” I guess that’s another great example of being smug.
@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Why do you think I clicked on your video? I wasn't looking for someone to validate what I thought... In fact I'm personally less inclined to believe the "pseudo archaeological" narrative on this subject. I would've been perfectly happy to watch and listen to your perspective based on your "expertise" and agreed or disagreed or left unsure. All totally fine with me. To me, you just came off like a 14 yo who knows everything and everyone else knows nothing... but hey maybe that's your content and it works for you. Not all content is for everyone. Carry on.
So you made a video that debunked nothing & your evidence is (you know because you've seen it before in other places).. I thought the idea of science was to challenge ideas & put forth opinions & then try to see if they work & are true.. Apparently not.. Apparently you just have to have been somewhere similar because lazy science is good science..
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Well you made the video.. How is it bullshit.? You didnt debunk anything, you just said a bunch of words claiming something that you admitted in the video you havent even seen, havent even been too.. The only bullshitter here is you.. Graham never claims he is right, he puts forth opinions to debate unlike you who makes videos based on opinions & calls it fact & anyone else a bullshit artist.. You then claim why would anyone challenge bullshit while making a video about it.. You arent the brightest spark are you.? Not the sharpest tool in the toolbox.. Judging by the comment section, many think you are the one full of it.. You dont have many people supporting you. Science doesnt like dictators, thats not how science works..
@@macisback9059 thank god you've sorted out science for me. I get cruel, ignorant comments like yours every time I mention Graham Hancock. His followers blindly believe anything he says, even when it is as stupid as calling a hill a pyramid. You should go dig into the hill in your backyard - it's probably a pyramid!
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology I think it opens the door to both arguments being discussed and therefore theory may eventually lead to fact from that alone.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Trouble is, it isn't leading to scientific debate, but rather, it leads to the vast majority of people believing whatever nonsense Hancock tells them. It's entirely anti-science. You don't debate scumbags, you mock them into submission. Hancock is a major scumbag--he doesn't believe the crap he's selling; he just wants money.
@@lunychoonz4587 Kid, someday you'll grow up and start recognizing that Hancock and others like him have been pulling your leg, and profiting from your ignorance.
Say what you want about Graham Handcock but one thing he is unequivocally right about is that archaeologists (like yourself ) are so close minded when presented with my information that conflict with your set paradigm about the past. Your mockery and attitude towards others who are simply doing and investigating is utterly unprofessional and rather juvenile. If they are wrong about this new information (which would be totally fine and for them to still publish there opinions of what they found), then let facts and further invention prove it rather than name bashing and mockery.
Hancock might be wrong about nearly everything, but is isn't wrong about the attitude of the archaeological establishment. This video was so snooty and condescending.
As a qualified archaeologist (and sane person) i think it's time to call into question these 'experts' who clearly have zero comprehension of the subject on which they talk with absolute authority, and for some reason, derision of those who do. Yes there there is an archaeological site on top, but also others below, created through backfilling and manipulation of the natural terrain. So dating of the soil is a completely legitimate way to find the period of construction. I could go on, but suffice to say this is just one more in a long line of uninformed, smug muppets (on many subjects), claiming to fight against conspiracy and misinformation, whilst simultaneously doing the exact opposite. Stop.
I've been there myself. This guy is correct, even if he does talk like a weirdo. It's a natural hill with some manmade stuff on top. If they ever do excavate it, it will be a waste of time, and Graham Cracker Hancock and his followers will be disappointed.
There are structures underneath the structure. Perhaps you should take a look there before making the accusation that this isn't a man modified structure.
This is the exact kind of thing Graham is talking about you havent reviewd their actual evidence in person and completely attack his hypothesis without doing physical research. Your the exact gatekeeper he complains about. You offre no solid evidence yourself you offer speculation without any evidence to back it up.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology dosnt do any physical research?? I'm sorry dude spent 10 years diving underwater structures of which 90% of his decenters have never put on a wet suite. And furthermore I would say probably 60% of his critics have never physicaly been to the sites they are arguing about. Graham has spent the better part of 30 years traveling and physicalylooking at these places not papers published.
Napa sih ngab? Gunung Padang itu Punden berundak yang dibangun di atas bukit. Mirip seperti chicen itza. Bukan seperti Piramida seperti di Giza mesir. Lagipula orang Indonesia tidak punya budaya untuk membangun ruangan rahasia dalam tanah. Makanya klaim Graham Hancock soal Gunung Padang itu ngawur.
I am not an expert. But I dare place a comment. When you say "Why build a pyramid in an hilly place", I observe that in the past, our "ancestors" did not chose the easiest vay to do things. Why build huge pyramids all over the world? Why build polygonal walls using 100 tons stones? As I mentionned earlier, I am no expert but they did not think "small is beautiful". All the contrary. So why not thing big and difficult instead of small and easy? A matter of taste.
Archeologists have LIED - or at least been in an incredibly Insane Dogma - about the stupidissime CLOVIS FIRST theory. Son, maybe you should get back to earth about your Knowlegde, and do what you do best : Dig.
You use a straw man as one of only two points in your argument. As far as the actual nature of this site is concerned, it doesn't matter if Graham Hancock says the whole mountain is a pyramid. The archeologist leading the latest study describes this site as a hill with a structure on the top. From the paper: "The landscape of Gunung Padang reveals an isolated and elongated hill, oriented south-north, with symmetrical and flat east and west flanks. The hilltop is characterized by a flat-truncated surface adorned with stone terraces embellished with standing stones, known as menhirs." The dispute here is how deep, how many layers are there to the human-created portion of Gunung Padang. You don't really address the finding, based on trenching, that there are three distinct layers, each created at a different time.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology lol yes... There is no dispute there there are structures dated at 25000 years old. This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about 🤣 It's funny how defensive he gets considering how "right" he is...
@@user-cb5wi2wl3q the saddest part of doing these is the huge number of lonely keyboard warriors who respond. I suggest going outside and taking a walk.
Show some evidence to support your theory then... At this point in time, you're the keyboard warrior. I'm just pointing out that there is an abundance of evidence that proves you wrong.
I don't understand why Archeology fellows get their knickers in such a twist over Graham Hancock. You can just ignore his stuff if you like. It is just a bit of fun and in a way, actually brings more attention to the field. Who cares if a few people think it could be real? Is it doing that much harm?
Good!... the more you denied it the more we could save our cultural heritage. I just hope people will leave it alone, instead of destroying it "for the sake of knowledge". Please keep saying otherwise sir... I'm counting on you... 👍👍👍
Now that's what you call a prime display of envy. Lil' bro probably thinks he should be the one to have a hit Netflix show with 74% Rotten Tomatoes audience score 😂 What a clout chaser
Uh oh. Looks like one of you had a devastatingly creative homophobic joke you’ve been waiting for the perfect time to unleash on the world. I’ll leave it up to the rest of you to guess who. I am honored that this spark of human creativity was used on this humble channel.
Your words have no basis or baring about anything. The scientists dug to the core of the structure wall, not randomly straight into an empty space. 3 chambers were discovered using scanning technology how do you explain that?
This guy is just spewing his own opinion with zero scientific foundation. It's no wonder Graham Hancock is so annoyed by pretentious archeologists like this! And what a coward calling out Graham like he does in the way he does it.
I love how you guys keep getting proven wrong it makes these videos hilarious. New stuff is found all the time proving you wrong why all the hostility its ok that things are found and we now have the technology to find out this stuff instead of just guessing like you do. So sad that theres people like you in this field that doesn't except new findings its not that you were wrong its just that all the facts haven't been found. No wonder your videos do so bad with the attitude you have.
This all makes sense. They’re not dating anything man-made. Being someone not in the know.. why don’t they conduct a more thorough excavation, in attempt to retrieve any possible man-made items (to date)? I see all these videos dismissing the claims, and again, they seem sound. But no one ever discusses why there isn’t an attempt to further examine to actually disprove (or less likely) prove the ancient theory? That somewhat befuddles me, and leaves me unsatisfied with the dismissal videos. (Or pro-theory videos for that matter too)
More thorough investigations will continue to not find anything made by humans, because the natural hill was not made by humans. I have no problem with them digging more holes if they want.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology The position more thorough digging won’t turn anything up may be correct, but it’s only theoretical until it’s actually done & verified. So for the purpose of disproving and/or proving, it seems ideal for both sides of the aisle to possibly entertain a more thorough excavation.
I feel your pain, it seems that some people just aren’t interested in empirical evidence. unfortunately this kind of pseudoscience you’re discussing just leads to misunderstandings about history. keep up the good work!
What do you have to say about the type of stone in this place ? The way and the number of them ? There are real questions about this site. As of many sites like this in the world. Obviously, what you’re saying is common sense, of course you place the archaeology on top of the hill, that’s common sense here, and in Indonesia, about the questions in this site ?
I don't recall having heard of this particular "pyramid", but I'm probably just forgetting--BS claims tend to leave my memory fairly quickly. Anyway, I stumbled across something from OzGeeographics that started out talking about the age, and how he wasn't going to talk about the age, just let the viewer make up their own mind without proper info. The only reason they did that, is to suggest something untrue. I don't play that game, so that channel is now on my "do not recommend" list. I followed up by searching for a more honest channel to find out what the real story is...that's why I'm here.
Cool! I use this channel to talk about current events in archaeology, as well as common questions. I answer questions honestly because I want the general public to get good information. Some people don’t like that - see some of the other comments here!
To be fair OzGeographics is a geological based channel and not once claimed to be archeological. Hence his videos are catered to questions and information regarding the stone, not the man.
I came here for less “ancient, alien” like perspective on the matter and to be quite frank…. You come across as pedantic and overly emotionally attached to disproving Graham Hancock.
Yeah, it’s really unfortunate. He’s a good writer, storyteller, and presenter but he chose to sell stupid, false narratives to the public long ago and has never changed.
Excuse me, where do you think Atlantis is in America? Because America has always been the center of the world? Because most of the people who believe that aliens exist are Americans
This is just cringeworthy to watch. How do know this? Did I study it? No! I’ve seen this in other parts of the world! Who would build a pyramid from the ground up? Egyptians? Mayans? Aztecs? Ok ignore those, but everyone else wouldn’t do that!
@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology That's not what the study said. In studying all their data, the research team found what they describe as clear evidence showing that the Gunung Padang was made mostly by human hands. They also found evidence showing that the structure was built in stages, thousands of years apart. And, they found that the older parts of the structure were made sometime between 25,000 and 14,000 years ago, making it the oldest known pyramid in the world today.
@@jonm7888 Yes. The study is pure horseshit. The dates are fine, it's just that they date nothing. It's sad that this made it to publication, and makes that journal (and he researchers) look really terrible to the rest of the scientific community.
Not the manner or tone I would expect from someone who calls themselves a respected archaeologist or a person older than a high school sophomore. I don't know if Hancock's right or wrong, but your way of broaching this is definitely wrong.
He has made an offer to debate an archaeologist on the Rogan show. You should contact him and do it. I think the rules for both of you should state that "I read it in a book" is not proof of knowledge........
There is already an archaeologist scheduled to do that. I’m always happy to do that as well.
I would PAY to see you be the archaelogist. I hope they don't pick a straw man for the job@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology
@@dotwaregames It would be fun.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeologyjust stop being a smartass
Can you please explain why you dismiss the ground penetrating radar that showed 3 rectangular voids in the “natural hill.” This is an honest question as you only addressed the material dating. Thank you in advance!
Have you visited the site?
Wait a minute. How come you didn't talk about the ground penetrating radar techniques that showed three empty chambers inside this mountain/pyramid?
Empty chambers don't prove anything is anthropogenic - voids below the surface can be natural. I just read the paper and while the presence of voids is well documented by the work they did, there's nothing in the paper that indicates they are man-made.
It's built on an ancient volcano. Volcanos have lava tubes in them... empty "chambers" where lava once flowed. It would have been more odd if they didn't find any.
@@grumpysanta6318 exactly.
You cannot prove those were not modified after their "natural" formation. Again, you make baseless claims with zero proof. Go head and say it, but that doesn't make it so. @@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology
@@WilliamHyres2112 just because they say a natural hill was made by humans doesn’t make it so.
I've been there, almost volunteered for the dig like 11 years ago when it become drama between old vs young archeologist in Indonesia. When an israeli professor wanted to join the research, indonesia government decided to stop the research. And leave it like that. I don't want claim it as oldest pyramid, but how you explain about the 'rolling stone' ? The stone that they found was 11cm and expanded to 26cm when taken outside 🤔
For a long time there have been several elite people, some of whom have collaborated with magicians to hunt down advanced technology left by Lemurian-Atlanteans in various countries especially in Indonesia the country of origin of the Attala and Sundaland Aryan (in Arysio Santos & S Oppenheimer theory) some of which have become extinct and some of which have disappeared in the intermarriage of various races. it's proven the mixed marriage of Sundaland brown Austronesians with European white Caucasians could produce generations of Sundaland Aryan in 60% approx.
the 'rolling stone' it's a nano-tech of Dorphal : a small piece of evidence of the advanced technological remains of the Attala (Lemurian-Atlanteans) in Sundaland (Hind).
I won't tell you all the secrets of the advanced Lemurian-Attala (Atlanteans) technology to you, because maybe World War 3 could happen quickly or genocide of very large numbers is occur.
let Indonesia look damaged, dirty, many of its people are unattractive, don't know their ancestors, have low IQs, despised by many countries in the world, slaves to rich countries. Imagine if all Indonesian people realized that they had been deceived, fooled, then they were enthusiastic about build Attala again, start from interbreeding of brown-skinned Austronesians with the white Caucasian resulting Sundaland Aryan generations, isn't this similar to the NAZI project? even worse because to be honest, there are several Sundaland brown people who can make prototype of anti-gravity vehicle and build a teleportation portal under the temple ground but 'they' kept it a secret.
Anda orang Indonesia? Saya mengikuti perkembangan berita gunung Padang ketika itu , ada bau-bau pencitraan politik presiden di proyek penelitian gunung padang yang dipimpin oleh Andi Arief , dia adalah staf khusus presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. Proyek tersebut dihentikan ketika posisi presiden digantikan oleh Jokowi.
@@benonh2667 drama antara arkeolog muda vs tua. Yg tua ngga mau pake excavator atau pun melibatkan volunteer. Sedangkan kalo murni pake duit pemerentah kan duit nya ga ada. Sependek pengetahuan saya yg bukan professional sih ya begitu doang.
@@lusydiel3742 lebih kompleks sebetulnya mas , gak hanya sekedar arkeolog muda vs tua , yg terlihat di media dan forum2 ilmuwan kan cuman itu. Tapi dibelakangnya sebetulnya yang terjadi itu arkeolog muda vs tua , masyarakat adat sekitar dan penganut Kahuripan vs komunitas perdukunan. Trus ada kubu SBY vs kubu Jokowi ,Knp saya tulis komunitas perdukunan,nah ini lucunya ada komunitas perdukunan namanya Turangga seta , sebetulnya mereka ini yang pertama kali melakukan hipotesa adanya Piramida di gunung Padang lewat kemenyan wkwkwkwk ,Krn keduluan timnya Andi Arief melakukan geo radar. Mereka mencak2 🤣😂🤣, yg dapat nama di media itu timnya Andi Arief bukan mereka 🤣😂🤣😂 . Turangga seta ini juga pernah melakukan penggalian di gunung lalakon dan hipotesa Sadahurip yg diisukan ada Piramida di dalamnya . Balik lg ke gunung Padang , Nah kenapa saya tulis masyarakat adat sekitar dan penganut Kahuripan, soalnya saya pernah kesana dan ngobrol2 dengan kuncennya , dan kata mereka itu mereka gak suka gunung Padang digali2 dan katanya ada dibom di dalam tanahnya . Bagi mereka penelitian itu ngerusak gunung Padang. Padahal di mana2 juga begitu prosesnya , bahkan arkeolog tua malah pernah pakai ekskavator saat gali situs Liyangan. Masalah drama kubu SBY vs kubu Jokowi sebetulnya masalah pencitraan aja tapi gara2 ini akhirnya itu penelitian berhenti , kubu Jokowi nganggap bahwa penelitian gunung Padang ini peninggalan pencitraan SBY ditambah desakan masyarakat adat setempat, penganut Kahuripan dan arkeolog tua ,mereka menuntut untuk pendanaan penelitian ini dihentikan, ya akhirnya pendanaannya dihentikan oleh Jokowi
@@benonh2667 sebenarnya sayang hloo kalo dihentiin, cuma gegara masalah tolol.. haruse itu berpihaknya pd Ilmu Pengetahuan.. Itu kan sejarah kita, budaya kita.. Masa iya siih kita ngga kepo kapan sbetule situs itu dibangun, tujuan dibangunnya knapa, knapa ditinggalin, kapan mulai ditinggalin, dll.. haruse proyek risetnya tetep jalan aja.. biarin Ilmu Pengetahuan yg bicara.. mau umurnya 1000 tahun kek, 2000 tahun kek, 20.000 tahun kek terserah aja yg penting ilmiah..
Ad hominem attacks, use of expressions like ''silly'', ''obvious, laughable fake'', ''nonsense'': Is that the new scientific method when rebuking new researches and theories ? Good tip for you: you will never make somebody change his mind by throwing insults and ridicule them, no matter how right you are or think you are (like this particular case).
In a past life you must have been one of the guys who argued that the earth was round because hey, thinking otherwise would be silly, a nonsense and obviously laughable...
Wait, has a flat earther entered the building, or just someone with horrible grammar skills?
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology English is my 2nd language, and I believe the earth is round. That's all you got professor ? Talk about a strong rebuke, I guess I hit a nerve!
@@jfhoule8530 I’ve found that keyboard warriors often give themselves fake credit for “hitting a nerve” because that’s all they really want. It has nothing to do with the topic - you just want validation.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Oh I'm far from a keyboard warrior. Just a regular guy who hates people like you who belittle others and have zero argumentation.
Dude really responded to 60% of his comments 😂😂😂😂
I don’t get what makes this funny.
Easier than doing actual archeological work lol.
@@wafflestomper6958yeah lol dude is being a smart-ass.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology the desperation to convince people of what you think you "know" is incredibly sad lol. THAT is why you are up and down the comments and THAT is why it "makes this funny".
@@GlRTHBR00KS oh, right. Still not funny.
It is always amazing for me to see grown adults, and "scientists", being dogmatic, not really looking at the facts and go to the places by themselves to take their own conclusions in site, or gather with experts from different fields and be open minded to possibilities and listen to the opinions and views of complementary scientific fields... I just see here someone that acts like a child and ridiculously takes the value of other people's work and investigations even without going to the details of the issues he is talking about.. My dear human fellow, you will not be heard by intelligent people with that kind of approach. That is a too childish style and with a lot of prejudice and arrogance on it. Be humble my friend! Once the earth was thought to be flat and the center of the universe and anyone who challenged the status quo of the mainstream view , or the ruling paradigm was treated just the way you do. People talking about others work without taking serious investigation on the subject is always a red flag to run from. Take care. Peace ✌🏽🙂🔅☀️
I love these - when they spend a huge paragraph talking about how much of an asshole I am then sign off with “peace.” 🙄 Yes, peace be with you, to go with the hypocrisy.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology 🙂🫴
These "findings" were actually credited in article by Finnish national news as "possibly changing the history of human kind". Quite frustrating that that this thing has gotten so much coverage
Yes! The reporting is so lazy. This one has fooled way more people than usual because of it.
Yeah but the fact they got those date in a volcanic mount is kind of important. Because if the void is volcanic he should have come back with no dating because volcano emit no c14.
Ignoring the data because handcock is speculating about it won't do anything.
Well yes, doest this change the 'history' of mankind by putting 'civilization' in the hands of thought to be hunter-gatherer people's in a land that is faced with constant ecological changes?
@@legro19 completely incorrect. The soil they sample would not be "inside" the volcano. It's weathered volcanic rock.
I thought they used penetrating radar and found several underground chambers one over the other ... ??
They did find voids, but there's no evidence shown in the paper that they're man-made.
Lava tubes. It's an extinct volcano. It would have been weird if they didn't find any.
This video doesn’t prove or disprove anything.
No video does. But I know the difference between a hill and a pyramid.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology doth protest too much, methinks.
@@Roxwins I protest just about right, methinks.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology you really think this kind of catty-ness shows well? You're supposed to be the expert here and all I see is a bunch of little cry baby responses.
C'mon professor, flash that PHD along with all your personally found evidence.
It serves very well to highlight the total lack of evidence for the original claim.
Isn’t science supposed to ask questions and investigate without bias?
Oi. You don't disprove someone's assumptions by countering them with your own assumptions. They teach that in university, and high school.
I assume you have only two neurons. Now you might have three but I assume you have only two.
A hill formed by geology is not an “assumption.”
@@clownphabetstrongwoman7305 See, you immediately assume wrongly.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology The latest report suggests a tunnel and two large ten by ten by ten meter cavities in the shape of cubes. The Radar cross sections are quite revealing.
Not even curious about what is inside?
The government is, and is organizing a tender to drill inside with camera's.
They know South American (and other pyramids) usually are on top of time capsules, graves, tunnels, dedications to local gods, sites where gold was refined using mercury.
Their mind is open enough to see this sculpted mountain as... possibly sculpted /embellished by hands, because there is no unique reason why there should be dirt on top of this lava outcrop which sticks out above the terrain. It could be natural or not, as the site was designated for repeated human use, apparently. The archaeological report has several independent occupation strata separated each by thousands of years.
Cahokia Indians constructed dirt mounds. Dating the dirt is relevant.
All are enough reason to continue investigating.
@@discoveringthegardenofeden7882 ok, we go with three.
This feels like a first draft ...
Is this in response to the recently published paper in Archaeological Prospection about Gunung Padang being a pyramid and not a hill?
Yes.
The paper describes it as a volcanic hill/mountain with a structure on top.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Wrong. From the paper: "The landscape of Gunung Padang reveals an isolated and elongated hill, oriented south-north, with symmetrical and flat east and west flanks. The hilltop is characterized by a flat-truncated surface adorned with stone terraces embellished with standing stones, known as menhirs."
can you show the proof ?
Read the report.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeologyI read the report- you still haven't proven anything. It's funny when people claiming to be professional speak with the same arrogance the 2-sided political realm breeds... but I'm sure it's unrelated. Fact- You have proven nothing yourself. You don't see the irony when you say "what we have here is a big waste of time."
@@truthlogiclove I read the report. Pure bullshit to an embarrassing degree. Which is why it’s getting retracted.
Thanks for teaching us stuff! You're very dynamic and the things you're sharing are very important!
Thanks for the nice comment!
have you ever been there?
I don't need to see geological stratigraphy in person to know what it is. This is a classic pseudoarchaeological move - "since you haven't been there, you don't know." I know. 100%. The report is asinine and embarrassing. This will eventually be corrected, but will not be reported on much (Hancock will have long moved on to his next debacle by then).
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology yeah, poor answer when you've spent time making a video and responding to 100+ different people here.
Take all that free time, fly out there and do your own research.
I watch this in hopes of there, being a new excavation, or research paper, or some kind of hard evidence presented, which would back up your claims. At no point did you address the caverns within the hill. This sounds like someone riding another brothers coattails to get clicks.
All research done at Gunung Padang proves it’s a hill and not a pyramid. You are falling for a simple lie.
Look at the ”mountains” around you, most happen to have a pyramid shape to it?? Funny how they thought Göbleki Tepe (and the other sites in Turkey) were thought to be simple HILLS!! You're assuming they built pyramids for housing, as you say it would be pointless doing it this way, but your mind is narrowminded saying these things.
Well, that’s quite enough of this fella
The Gunung Padang site is located on the island of Java, specifically the Sunda region. Many people on TH-cam believe that the Gunung Padang site is the oldest pyramid in the world and is often associated with the sunda empire 😊
Sorry as an indonesian we call it "punden berundak" not a pyramid. So different. You should learn the history first. I don't why people now called gunung padang as a pyramid😅.
If so what do you think about Gobleki Tepe
Maybe so, maybe not. Do I recall that GPR readings point to chambers within the mound?
They are natural voids, common in this kind of geology.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology And where is tour proof ?
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology where is your personal proof of this? Are you going to reference some book published in 1983?
@@jfhoule8530 How have you gotten this far in life, without knowing that caves exist? You poor thing....
@@TheEudaemonicPlague So I asked for a proof, and that's your reply to my question. You're some kind of special aren't you ? But hey, my mon always told me not to make fun of people with special needs or mental challenges, so I'll do just that...
If they're dating the ground, shouldn't it be older than 25,000 years old?
That is true, but I kept it short.
Not necessarily. It depends on depth.
Love the fact that this guy feels so butt hurt by the comments that he’s felt a need to respond to so many of them😂
YT comment section, the pinnacle of intellectuals coming together to discuss ideas and move the sciences forward.
If I didn’t respond, then I’d be an aloof jerk who never responds to his comments, right?
Half the comments are your own.
Are you just feeding the algorithm hoping to get more exposure?
Doesn’t change your attitude or character. I feel like a lot of the comments will forever disagree with you just due to your conviction on more assumptions. Those assumptions being your own or other professionals in your industry.
As for me, to be honest you sound too smug. Theirs too much content about any one subject so if I want to find anything about archeology I’ll go somewhere else.
GL in your endeavours
@@defid.system9298 yes, “do your own research.” And shockingly, you are right that I agree with other professionals. Note to self - agree with quacks, fakes, and scam artists next time instead of professionals! I learn so much here.
1. He said it is not like a pyramid, it is like a step pyramid.
Very similar to the Egyptian version that was built before the regular pyramids.
2. The blocks that were stacked up, absolutely look like the similar retaining walls that are used today for all those rich neighborhoods. So that wall is in the realm of plausibility.
3. It’s easy to debate a video, but I would be more interested if you flew out there and had a discussion with the local archaeologists and take a look for yourself.
Now saying that I am curious as to why, if they have the ability to drill, they do not do it into one of those chambers they were referring to. If they were to break into an empty area, they could test the air inside and also send down a camera. That would certainly satisfy the underground chamber radar theory.
I do agree that drilling into the dirt seemed absolutely senseless to me. Of course the deeper you go the older the dirt is going to be. They should’ve drilled into those chambers.
Jealous 😂😂
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident". . Arthur Schopenhauer .
Just wait, Kinkella. ;)-
Wait - am I waiting for the fake pyramid to be real, or waiting for everyone to realize that I’m right? I’m hoping for #2.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeologywhy hope for #2 ? Wouldn't it be better if you are wrong and it really IS an amazing discovery?
@@artivan111 that would be nice, but it’s utterly and totally not a pyramid.
25.000 year old _top soil_ amidst artifacts, impressive.
what is kujang gunung padang?
Probably a password for a government worker! 😂
Wtf are you on about, guy?
Both the video and title tell you exactly what I’m on about.
I must say this is unconvincing in every way. Lack of proof and explanations as well as a childish delivery. Im dismissing this guy because he sounds like a complete scammer.
Oh no! You’ve uncovered my scam: To teach the public about archaeology. The horror!
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology only a fool would learn from this channel lol Besides, the way mainstream acrh's deny and dismiss their mistakes, and theres lots of them. Biggest one being the actual start of civilization ...and the span of human history. Kinda takes away their credibility. Now take this mess of a video done by a childish presenter. Exactly what we have come to expect from mainstreamers. Trash and slander. Attacks without any real showing of evidence. Dont quit your day job. Utube is not your thing.
@@hyperionzii5889 ah, the joys of reading ignorant blather... Just kidding - there's no joy in it.
So how old is it then? Genuinely curious.
The smugness on display here doesn't make your case, it just makes you look smug. Even if you were right talking to people like they're morons isn't going to make them go "oh well since you put it like that..."
How about just a teeny tiny bit of curiosity? I bet you're one of the guys saying gobekli tepe was built by hunter gatherers. Ok dude.
Common attack - if you disagree with Hancock you are “smug.” When someone is lying to me, and I say “stop lying to me” I guess that’s another great example of being smug.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology dude, watch your video back.
@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Why do you think I clicked on your video? I wasn't looking for someone to validate what I thought... In fact I'm personally less inclined to believe the "pseudo archaeological" narrative on this subject. I would've been perfectly happy to watch and listen to your perspective based on your "expertise" and agreed or disagreed or left unsure. All totally fine with me. To me, you just came off like a 14 yo who knows everything and everyone else knows nothing... but hey maybe that's your content and it works for you. Not all content is for everyone. Carry on.
So you made a video that debunked nothing & your evidence is (you know because you've seen it before in other places).. I thought the idea of science was to challenge ideas & put forth opinions & then try to see if they work & are true.. Apparently not.. Apparently you just have to have been somewhere similar because lazy science is good science..
when someone makes up a story based on bullshit, do you spend time challenging it, or do something better with your time?
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Well you made the video.. How is it bullshit.? You didnt debunk anything, you just said a bunch of words claiming something that you admitted in the video you havent even seen, havent even been too..
The only bullshitter here is you.. Graham never claims he is right, he puts forth opinions to debate unlike you who makes videos based on opinions & calls it fact & anyone else a bullshit artist..
You then claim why would anyone challenge bullshit while making a video about it..
You arent the brightest spark are you.? Not the sharpest tool in the toolbox..
Judging by the comment section, many think you are the one full of it.. You dont have many people supporting you. Science doesnt like dictators, thats not how science works..
@@macisback9059 thank god you've sorted out science for me. I get cruel, ignorant comments like yours every time I mention Graham Hancock. His followers blindly believe anything he says, even when it is as stupid as calling a hill a pyramid. You should go dig into the hill in your backyard - it's probably a pyramid!
Whether you ridicule Hancock or not, at least the man causes discussion to occur on these subjects and I, for one, enjoy that.
I’m actually not against that aspect of it, but his claims are so silly and false that it ruins the public’s knowledge of the past.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology I think it opens the door to both arguments being discussed and therefore theory may eventually lead to fact from that alone.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology no, you just don't like a perspective that is different from the one you read in a book, which is very telling.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology Trouble is, it isn't leading to scientific debate, but rather, it leads to the vast majority of people believing whatever nonsense Hancock tells them. It's entirely anti-science. You don't debate scumbags, you mock them into submission. Hancock is a major scumbag--he doesn't believe the crap he's selling; he just wants money.
@@lunychoonz4587 Kid, someday you'll grow up and start recognizing that Hancock and others like him have been pulling your leg, and profiting from your ignorance.
If it is discovered to be that old will you post a im wrong video ? Lol
I would!
Say what you want about Graham Handcock but one thing he is unequivocally right about is that archaeologists (like yourself ) are so close minded when presented with my information that conflict with your set paradigm about the past. Your mockery and attitude towards others who are simply doing and investigating is utterly unprofessional and rather juvenile. If they are wrong about this new information (which would be totally fine and for them to still publish there opinions of what they found), then let facts and further invention prove it rather than name bashing and mockery.
I am close minded to fraudulent bullshit. You should be too.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology then why do you speak bullshit so fluently?
Stop behaving condescending,if they have scientific proof, prove it false by scientific facts,not theories....days of clowning are over
They have no proof. Also the days of clowning are never over.
Source: "Trust me bro"
Ground penetrating radar, are you familiar with it ? What a loser 😂
One of us is definitely not familiar with ground penetrating radar.
Again, trust me bro
All I am absolutely 100% now convinced on is that I won’t be listening to this guys podcast. He sounds like a bad impression of a Family Guy sketch.
Is this dude for real ????
Nope. Generated using AI. Sad.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology yeah... I can see that clearly now😀
Hancock might be wrong about nearly everything, but is isn't wrong about the attitude of the archaeological establishment. This video was so snooty and condescending.
Like I should give reverence and respect to Hancock’s stupid, fake stories. I’ll get right on that.
If it is a waste of time, then stop posting about it.
No you stop
No@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology
I pay TH-cam's membership fees, so you cannot stop me from posting. I can ask you to stop all I want. Get it?@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology
@@WilliamHyres2112 no you
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology no thanks
As a qualified archaeologist (and sane person) i think it's time to call into question these 'experts' who clearly have zero comprehension of the subject on which they talk with absolute authority, and for some reason, derision of those who do. Yes there there is an archaeological site on top, but also others below, created through backfilling and manipulation of the natural terrain. So dating of the soil is a completely legitimate way to find the period of construction. I could go on, but suffice to say this is just one more in a long line of uninformed, smug muppets (on many subjects), claiming to fight against conspiracy and misinformation, whilst simultaneously doing the exact opposite. Stop.
You could go on, but it would be just as pointless and free of facts as the first part
How do u know? Did u excavate it?
This guy hasn't done shit. He's never been there, but he's an "expert" anyway because he has a fancy robe stapled to his door...
I've been there myself. This guy is correct, even if he does talk like a weirdo. It's a natural hill with some manmade stuff on top. If they ever do excavate it, it will be a waste of time, and Graham Cracker Hancock and his followers will be disappointed.
@@michaelcarr2466exactly right.
@@butt_cheeks269 It really hurts me when I'm criticized by a guy named "buttcheeks269."
Challenge him to a debate and or accept a challenge from him. This could not be more simple.
I’m always happy to do that.
Why don’t you go there and look for yourself. If you haven’t been there how can you say it’s fake?
okey, make sens.but how did the earth made that ``hill``?
Ask a geologist.
It's an ancient volcano. The whole area is in an ancient caldera. The "chambers" are lava tubes.
You sound unreasonably angry. I can’t watch
Luckily you have enough time for an inane post though
Not just the words but the way you say them also matters.
Is he archaeologist or an amateur actor? He is good for the second I think
Turns out he’s both Clark Kent and Superman!
There are structures underneath the structure. Perhaps you should take a look there before making the accusation that this isn't a man modified structure.
No, there are not.
Well, when they are revealed, you can eat crow .@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology
@@WilliamHyres2112 “when they are revealed” 😂😂😂😂
This is the exact kind of thing Graham is talking about you havent reviewd their actual evidence in person and completely attack his hypothesis without doing physical research. Your the exact gatekeeper he complains about. You offre no solid evidence yourself you offer speculation without any evidence to back it up.
He doesn’t do physical research of any kind. His claim is fake and absurd. Which part of this am I “gatekeeping” again?
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology dosnt do any physical research?? I'm sorry dude spent 10 years diving underwater structures of which 90% of his decenters have never put on a wet suite. And furthermore I would say probably 60% of his critics have never physicaly been to the sites they are arguing about. Graham has spent the better part of 30 years traveling and physicalylooking at these places not papers published.
Atlantis does exist, it is a Diner in Manasquan New Jersey exit mile 98 of the Garden State Parkway. They have excellent Taylor Ham Sandwiches.
Finally the truth! I’m going to carbon 14 date that place to prove it.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeologyyes, carbon taste it.
There are at least dozens of forms like Gunung Padang in Indonesia and the most important of these is *Denial is typical of you
Napa sih ngab?
Gunung Padang itu Punden berundak yang dibangun di atas bukit. Mirip seperti chicen itza. Bukan seperti Piramida seperti di Giza mesir.
Lagipula orang Indonesia tidak punya budaya untuk membangun ruangan rahasia dalam tanah. Makanya klaim Graham Hancock soal Gunung Padang itu ngawur.
I am not an expert. But I dare place a comment. When you say "Why build a pyramid in an hilly place", I observe that in the past, our "ancestors" did not chose the easiest vay to do things. Why build huge pyramids all over the world? Why build polygonal walls using 100 tons stones? As I mentionned earlier, I am no expert but they did not think "small is beautiful". All the contrary. So why not thing big and difficult instead of small and easy? A matter of taste.
Archeologists have LIED - or at least been in an incredibly Insane Dogma - about the stupidissime CLOVIS FIRST theory.
Son, maybe you should get back to earth about your Knowlegde, and do what you do best : Dig.
Watch my video on Clovis son
There is a Pyramide and Hancock say No 😂
Apparently it's possible to carbon date rocks too. Fun fact: rocks release a huge amount of carbon.
This would date the time of the creation of these rocks, not their using... : )
Nope you can't carbon date rock. C14 come from solar radiation go in plant and continu in the food chain from there. Rock don't eat sooo.
No.
@@gillescoin2374you're wrong lmao. All rocks have been around when the earth was "formed".
@@Martha.fokker Does the concept of rock melting escape you...? ; )
This really demonstrates the bad intentions to smear Graham because he has an alternate opinion. Archaeologists against Graham are definitely a “type”
Yes, the type being fact based instead of fantasy based.
You use a straw man as one of only two points in your argument. As far as the actual nature of this site is concerned, it doesn't matter if Graham Hancock says the whole mountain is a pyramid. The archeologist leading the latest study describes this site as a hill with a structure on the top.
From the paper:
"The landscape of Gunung Padang reveals an isolated and elongated hill, oriented south-north, with symmetrical and flat east and west flanks. The hilltop is characterized by a flat-truncated surface adorned with stone terraces embellished with standing stones, known as menhirs."
The dispute here is how deep, how many layers are there to the human-created portion of Gunung Padang. You don't really address the finding, based on trenching, that there are three distinct layers, each created at a different time.
I actually don’t use a strawman, the guy is a geologist (not an archaeologist), and the research is shoddy.
I imagine they took a sample from soil that was disturbed ?
They just dug down. No way to tell, and no archeological bits recovered from the drilling (pottery, etc.).
I bet this guy's mom would love it if he would stop doing TH-cam clips in her home office, and move out!
The weirdest part of all of this is that my mom's home office is in a college
Lol literally everything says this guy is wrong 😂
No.
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology lol yes... There is no dispute there there are structures dated at 25000 years old.
This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about 🤣
It's funny how defensive he gets considering how "right" he is...
@@user-cb5wi2wl3q the saddest part of doing these is the huge number of lonely keyboard warriors who respond. I suggest going outside and taking a walk.
Show some evidence to support your theory then... At this point in time, you're the keyboard warrior.
I'm just pointing out that there is an abundance of evidence that proves you wrong.
The "saddest part" is your lack of research before making this emotionally charged video.
he wants to draw attention to himself with meaningless explanations that he doesn't even believe
It’s actually a meaningful explanation that I do believe.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.Try talking to people ,The way you think you are putting things across just makes you sound a saddo.
Self-promo was excellent! I was absolutely convinced :)
I don't understand why Archeology fellows get their knickers in such a twist over Graham Hancock. You can just ignore his stuff if you like. It is just a bit of fun and in a way, actually brings more attention to the field. Who cares if a few people think it could be real? Is it doing that much harm?
Good!... the more you denied it the more we could save our cultural heritage. I just hope people will leave it alone, instead of destroying it "for the sake of knowledge".
Please keep saying otherwise sir... I'm counting on you... 👍👍👍
Now that's what you call a prime display of envy. Lil' bro probably thinks he should be the one to have a hit Netflix show with 74% Rotten Tomatoes audience score 😂 What a clout chaser
🙄
Apparently Graham has gotten under your skin
Yeah, Hancock is a lying hack, of course a professional would be annoyed that a charlatan gets to write the narrative.
@@newonlinetheatren.o.t1339 Exactly.
This guy is a bundle of sticks!
Uh oh. Looks like one of you had a devastatingly creative homophobic joke you’ve been waiting for the perfect time to unleash on the world. I’ll leave it up to the rest of you to guess who. I am honored that this spark of human creativity was used on this humble channel.
EVIDENCE?? GOT ANY?
Read.
Your words have no basis or baring about anything. The scientists dug to the core of the structure wall, not randomly straight into an empty space. 3 chambers were discovered using scanning technology how do you explain that?
I could explain, but my words obviously have no basis or baring
This guy is just spewing his own opinion with zero scientific foundation. It's no wonder Graham Hancock is so annoyed by pretentious archeologists like this! And what a coward calling out Graham like he does in the way he does it.
Hancock is annoyed because basic facts destroy his fake stories.
not convincing
I love how you guys keep getting proven wrong it makes these videos hilarious. New stuff is found all the time proving you wrong why all the hostility its ok that things are found and we now have the technology to find out this stuff instead of just guessing like you do. So sad that theres people like you in this field that doesn't except new findings its not that you were wrong its just that all the facts haven't been found. No wonder your videos do so bad with the attitude you have.
This all makes sense.
They’re not dating anything man-made.
Being someone not in the know.. why don’t they conduct a more thorough excavation, in attempt to retrieve any possible man-made items (to date)?
I see all these videos dismissing the claims, and again, they seem sound. But no one ever discusses why there isn’t an attempt to further examine to actually disprove (or less likely) prove the ancient theory?
That somewhat befuddles me, and leaves me unsatisfied with the dismissal videos. (Or pro-theory videos for that matter too)
More thorough investigations will continue to not find anything made by humans, because the natural hill was not made by humans. I have no problem with them digging more holes if they want.
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The position more thorough digging won’t turn anything up may be correct, but it’s only theoretical until it’s actually done & verified.
So for the purpose of disproving and/or proving, it seems ideal for both sides of the aisle to possibly entertain a more thorough excavation.
I feel your pain, it seems that some people just aren’t interested in empirical evidence. unfortunately this kind of pseudoscience you’re discussing just leads to misunderstandings about history. keep up the good work!
You are totally right! And thanks for the kind words.
What do you have to say about the type of stone in this place ?
The way and the number of them ?
There are real questions about this site. As of many sites like this in the world.
Obviously, what you’re saying is common sense, of course you place the archaeology on top of the hill, that’s common sense here, and in Indonesia, about the questions in this site ?
The stone is natural volcanic throughout
@@KinkellaTeachesArchaeologyStupid 😂
I don't recall having heard of this particular "pyramid", but I'm probably just forgetting--BS claims tend to leave my memory fairly quickly. Anyway, I stumbled across something from OzGeeographics that started out talking about the age, and how he wasn't going to talk about the age, just let the viewer make up their own mind without proper info. The only reason they did that, is to suggest something untrue. I don't play that game, so that channel is now on my "do not recommend" list. I followed up by searching for a more honest channel to find out what the real story is...that's why I'm here.
Cool! I use this channel to talk about current events in archaeology, as well as common questions. I answer questions honestly because I want the general public to get good information. Some people don’t like that - see some of the other comments here!
To be fair OzGeographics is a geological based channel and not once claimed to be archeological. Hence his videos are catered to questions and information regarding the stone, not the man.
Heaven forbid that we challenge established dogma.
Especially with bullshit to waste everyone’s time with!
His name isn't "Gram", it's "Graham", pronounced gray-am.
I came here for less “ancient, alien” like perspective on the matter
and to be quite frank….
You come across as pedantic and overly emotionally attached to disproving Graham Hancock.
Well he had clicks now to improve his "name" on behalf of somebodies else's name with a 4 min declaimer. just give him the attention he craves
I already got the attention I crave with the other 110 videos
Archeologists who make TH-cam videos on Hancock are annoying. Why is that?
Responding to the slightest criticism by foaming at the mouth... I don't know, I think you need to calm down a little.
Is it worthy of science to say that this is fake and present ridiculous evidence without doing a proper research in that region?
Once you lose your trust, it's difficult to get it bac. Hancock lost many opportunities. His irresponsible fable is disgusting ：）
Yeah, it’s really unfortunate. He’s a good writer, storyteller, and presenter but he chose to sell stupid, false narratives to the public long ago and has never changed.
You are not very convincing. Go get another booster.
I didn’t know that Covid boosters make a person more convincing - great fringe benefit! Thanks for the info.
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Is that a dress 👗 hanging on your door?
Graduation gown that I use for graduation day ceremony stuff.
😂😮if i was ancient man i would dig down to bedrock and then build up ..😂
Makes sence, right.
😂😂😂 what a guy
Oh this guy is defo on a money grab 😂
Yes! This has made me so rich!
Excuse me, where do you think Atlantis is in America? Because America has always been the center of the world? Because most of the people who believe that aliens exist are Americans
And why is it that in journals most of the scientists are from Europe or America, even though in fact they are from the Middle East?
Atlantis is definitely in America. I’m sure Plato said something like “Atlantis is in the New World, on the upper part.”
This is just cringeworthy to watch.
How do know this? Did I study it? No! I’ve seen this in other parts of the world! Who would build a pyramid from the ground up? Egyptians? Mayans? Aztecs? Ok ignore those, but everyone else wouldn’t do that!
I know. Facts can be tough.
The study says it is mostly man made, and the oldest part of the structure is 25,000 to 14,000 years old. You're just lying now.
What study? Hancock's?
@@migranthawker2952 Geo-archaeological prospecting of Gunung Padang buried prehistoric pyramid in West Java, Indonesia
“The study” dated a natural hill. The built part on top does not date to that age.
@KinkellaTeachesArchaeology That's not what the study said. In studying all their data, the research team found what they describe as clear evidence showing that the Gunung Padang was made mostly by human hands. They also found evidence showing that the structure was built in stages, thousands of years apart. And, they found that the older parts of the structure were made sometime between 25,000 and 14,000 years ago, making it the oldest known pyramid in the world today.
@@jonm7888 Yes. The study is pure horseshit. The dates are fine, it's just that they date nothing. It's sad that this made it to publication, and makes that journal (and he researchers) look really terrible to the rest of the scientific community.