Absolutely enjoyed this conversation, two of my favourite speakers, cannot wait to share. Thank you Stephen for just allowing David to speak, you both have such a comfortable rapport with each other.
As always is in the listening of Stephen Meyer and David Berlinski, time very well spent ! The man, namely Mr Berlinski, is as 'sharp as a tack.' Thank you kindly for posting. Might I ask if one could expect a Part 2 ?
This was so informative and also enjoyable to listen to! Much better than I anticipated! Thank you so much!! I am going to have to listen to this at least a second time! Wow! Brain Candy 😊
Wonderful discussion, and a privilege to hear more of David's history. Is the full video with questions available anywhere? Looking forward to David's next book.
I invite Mr. David Berlinski to join us at the No Hay Almuerzo Gratis show from Argentina to discuss his work The Devil's Delusion. You can reach us if suits.
I recommend "The Devils Delusion" by David Berlinski. I really enjoyed it. Try it, you may learn something new. David has a great way to explain things.
Off topic but interesting, the ‘great city’ where the Lord was crucified is called Mystery Babylon (also S0dom and Egypt) at the end of the age ruling over the kings (govts) and great merchants (billionaires) of the earth: _And their dead bodies will lie on the street of _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which spiritually is called S0dom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED._ (Rev 11.8) _The woman [Babylon per 17.5] whom you saw is _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which reigns over the kings of the earth._ (Rev 17.18) _”And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth/land.”_ (Rev 18.24) _”Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!”_ (Mat 23.37) _for your [Babylon’s] merchants were the great men of the earth, for all the nations were deceived by your “PHARMAKEIA”_ (Rev 18.23)
Love David Berlinski! He has an incredibly sharp wit. I was saddened to learn that his parents had to flee Germany. It must have been dreadful! But I was a bit startled that someone so educated and erudite would blame the rise of Hitler and the NSDAP for his parents decision to leave the country. Surely he’s aware of the incessant assaults and murder being perpetrated by certain groups against the native German people. He must also know the horrific state of the monetary system designed and run by the same group mentioned which caused markets to drastically collapse, children to starve, and an unemployment rate of over 25%. I’m certain he also knows that this very minor ethnic group controlled major media, the currency, the legal system, the education system, upper level political positions, and so on - not much different than what is happening in America, the US, and most 1st world nations. My point is, his parents likely saw what was happening and noticed when the native population began taking their country back as a sign to leave.
Since we are talking about math. There’s no gravity without massive amounts of matter. There’s also no measurable distance without massive amounts of matter and there is no measurable amount of time without massive amounts matter. (No gravity no distance and no time without the existence of the formation of massive amounts of matter.) Time and distance are stretched between all of the supermassive black holes in the universe. Stretched means there is less measured distance and faster clocks, both of which contribute to a faster rate of causation and a faster speed of light compared to where there is more gravity where distance is not as stretched and time runs slower. If you can understand this, you can understand general relativity and you can see why there is no need for dark matter because causation is faster the farther away from the center of the galaxy it is. Dark energy is not needed either because the vacuum of space is from black holes that are growing by absorbing spacetime regardless of the amount of matter is being absorbed. This is the opposite of inflation. So the redshift is known to be from light leaving a galaxy and in a sense the farther away the source of the light is, the more the accumulation gravity it is leaving behind so the more redshifted the light is so that when the light enters the much smaller mass of our galaxy, the light is only slightly blueshifted back to its original spectrum. It’s really not even hard to understand or explain.
min 38:00 Maybe the question is not accurate. There is often two possibilities. If there are more, they quickly are eliminated. Life is what happens while we make plans. Design is a set up. The rest is on auto pilot with apparent branches. In the acquisition of knowledge, reductionist by effort, something necessarily is left out, so conclusions require extrapolation, also known as error, or if you want to get fancy, entropy. All the design is up front.Evolution works, in reverse. The question was there are more ways to get nowhere than somewhere. Imagination invented the vacuum. We live in a pool of heavy water.
Since we are apparently looking into genealogies and history, enough with so much disinformation. Neanderthals are Eurasians and Denisovans are a mix of Eurasians and Sino Canaanite tribe of Sinim with the D y-hg in Asia and or the House of King Nimrod’s descendants with the C y-hg both of which are Hamitic, Canaanite and Cushite. The original Hittites were also Canaanite. Neanderthals were Eurasians descended from Japheth and Denisovans are a mix of Eurasians and Canaanites and or Cushites descended from Ham. We know this because of the people living today who have Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA. Sumerians were Assyrians and Akkadian descendants of Nimrod. DNA migrations show that Native Americans crossed the Atlantic to Central America from the Mediterranean Sea. There are four or more haplogroup lineages that show this migration route, the A C&D maternal mtDNA lineages and the Q paternal Y chromosomal lineage as well as probably the C paternal y-hg lineage made this same crossing to Central America and then all of these lineages spread north and south from there. The Inuit also with the Q y-hg crossed the Bering Strait. People are ignoring actual known human history. The actual historical records and DNA migrations show that everyone spread out from Mesopotamia. Ancient history is essential for everyone to know, especially that of the sixteen original civilizations… that are from the sixteen grandsons of Noah. We should learn ancient history before trying to learn science. The following are the paternal Y chromosome haplogroups that make the most sense. 1. The first inhabitants of Italy (K) Tubal 2. Thracians (L) Tiras 3. Greek sea people (T) Javan 4. Siberians & East Asians (NO) Magog 5. East Europeans & Eurasians (P) Meshek 6. Medes (Q) Madai 7. Western Europeans (R) Gomer 8. Hebrews & Arabic (IJ) Arphaxad 9. Elamites (H) Elam 10. Assyrians (G) Asshur 11. Arameans (F1) Aram 12. Lydians (F2) Lud 13. Cushites (AB, C) Cush 14. Egyptians (E3) Mitzrayim 15. Canaanites (E2, D) Canaan 16. Original N. African Phoenicians (E1) Phut The only way to determine the actual paternal lineages is with the Y chromosome. E1 is Phut, E2 is Canaan and E3 is Mitzrayim. The descendants of Cush are A B and C with C being the descendants of the House of King Nimrod the first King of the world (with many descendants reinforcing his genes) which was from Akkad in Mesopotamia to Assyria otherwise known as the Sumer. The descendants of Nimrod later spread to the Americas and Pacific islands. It’s the reason Olmec statues often appear Polynesian since they share the same common ancestor with Polynesians. In the Americas it’s C3 and in the Pacific islands it’s C2. The D paternal Y-hg Sino descendants of Canaan migrated from Canaan to Sinai and then east to Andaman Islands, China, all the way to Japan and Tibet. The C paternal Y-hg descendants of Nimrod migrated as far as South Asia, Australia, the Pacific, Mongolia, Europe and all the way to the Americas by way of Atlantic accounting for the Olmec civilization in Central America as well as the Q Y-hg descendants of Madai ancestor of the Medes that also crossed the Atlantic to Central America along with the maternal lineages of A C and D. The A maternal mtDNA haplogroup belonging to the *Semitic* N lineage accompanied the Eurasian Q paternal Y-hg to Central America. The C&D maternal haplogroups belonging to the *Eurasian* M lineage also accompanied the Atlantic crossing of the Q paternal Y-hg Medes and probably the C paternal Y-hg to Central America. The Semitic B maternal mtDNA haplogroup seems to have crossed on the other side via the Pacific Ocean to South America. The Mediterranean paternal R1b and the maternal X2a (also found in Galilee) represent yet another Atlantic crossing of the later Phoenicians in the days of King Solomon considering also the additional Mediterranean paternal Y chromosome haplogroups of T, G, I1, I2, J1, J2, E and B found in Native Americans today in addition to the Mediterranean R1b found in Native American Populations. J1 and J2 are Arabs and Hebrews. (I1 is most likely the tribe of Dan and I2 resembles the movements of the sailing tribe of Asher.) Of course there are also the Cohen, 50% of which are J1 P58 known as the Cohen modal haplotype which identifies the IJ paternal lineage of Hebrews and Arabs that are descended from Arphaxad. J2 M172 is the largest group of descendants probably of the House of the kings David *and* Solomon. Now you know a lot more of what is now verified human history. The mtDNA maternal lineage of the out of Africa claim goes from African to Eurasian and then to Semitic while the Y chromosome lineage goes from African to Semitic and then Eurasian. So according to that Africans produced Semitic males and Eurasian females who then produced Eurasian males and Semitic females completely invalidating the Out of Africa claim. *The reality is that all of these various lineages had to have existed simultaneously.*
I admire your dedication for writing such a lengthy comment, there is also another funny discovery that invalidates the “out of Africa theory”, there are bones which belong to what evolutionists call “ancient humans with physical characteristics between the Homo erectus and modern human stages”. They do however stress that they are like us and that they are human. The kicker is that these guys are 300000 years old, which means that they were already in Asia and didn’t migrate from Africa or anything like that. Which means that human beings didn’t “evolve” from some species of African apes as these evolutionists had hoped. If you would like more details about the absurdity of evolution then please watch this video, it has English caption for your convenience : th-cam.com/video/8eVCf_1Eg5g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kMEjLArkR2it5Db0
What most do not know of is the higher age perspective of human evolution from its own unique prototype and species to its own unique prototype. Evolution is the case but man (humanity) was a special creation. Anything else is bunk and ‘the hard problem of consciousness’ is further proof that humanity from a different prototype is bunk.
Math must have been a given as was language. The Sanskrit language is the mother language of most Indo European languages. Its alphabet is based on actual physical sound so it is a given in nature.
One reason for mathematics is that God made man to be master of the whole universe, the only way man can reach out (in this world) to the whole universe is through mathematics - theorems true everywhere in the universe.
At what point in time does the current evidence for God being discovered and disseminated by all of these great people in the ID movement create a tsunami of Christian faith? I believe it will be sooner than we may have hoped. God willing.
mcmanustony, Wow, I didn't know your family barely escaped from the Nazis. I see where you get your musical interest though, from your daddy Berlinski.
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Fantastic! Thoroughly engaged by these brilliant minds and very grateful for them both.
Absolutely enjoyed this conversation, two of my favourite speakers, cannot wait to share. Thank you Stephen for just allowing David to speak, you both have such a comfortable rapport with each other.
As always is in the listening of Stephen Meyer and David Berlinski, time very well spent ! The man, namely Mr Berlinski, is as 'sharp as a tack.' Thank you kindly for posting. Might I ask if one could expect a Part 2 ?
Good to see David is in good health.
Thank you Stephen for you hard and professionalism.
Dont stop searching for the truth gentleman.
Love hearing Berlinski. Such a great thinker. Blessed to get to hear from him!
Absolutely splendid!
"Narrow is the way to life, wide is the road to perdition."
Thank you for posting this conversation between two of the world’s greatest intellectuals.
This was so informative and also enjoyable to listen to! Much better than I anticipated! Thank you so much!!
I am going to have to listen to this at least a second time! Wow! Brain Candy 😊
Very beautiful. I earnestly waited for the next time David Berlinski and Stephen Meyer sat and talked together.
Great stuff!
❤Brilliant men. Brilliant conversation.
Great stories. Thanks for sharing!
Grateful for the curiosity, discipline and the commitment to truth by these men.
With respect & great regard to both of my respected scientists.. . it's a very interesting conversation that i enjoyed fully. . . . hats off
Looking Forward to Part 2!!
Excellent!!! I haven't laughed this much in quite awhile. Loved it AND completely understood the topic!
It is such a pleasure to listen to these two great thinkers.
Great stuff! Thank you!
Excellent discussion
Looking Forward to Part 2
What a wonderful discussion. A joy.
I enjoyed this discussion very much.
This was quite a cool convo!!!
Both of these men have had such a positive impact on my faith. The Devil’s Delusion is amazing! The Return of the God Hypothesis is terrific!
What a very enjoyable conversation.
What a treat! ❤
Discovery ailesi lütfen Dr Ard Louis ile bir program gelsin. O hem Hristiyan hem de muhteşem bir bilim adamı.
Wonderful discussion, and a privilege to hear more of David's history. Is the full video with questions available anywhere?
Looking forward to David's next book.
great interview, thx for sharing
Great interview. ❤
No comments! Tough it is when you have convo of this quality.
Bringing Darwin up to date.😊
God bless you.
I respect you from South Korea
I invite Mr. David Berlinski to join us at the No Hay Almuerzo Gratis show from Argentina to discuss his work The Devil's Delusion. You can reach us if suits.
Stevie, could you please put a new video everyday ? Thx!
Gonna get some popcorn and beer for this one
I recommend "The Devils Delusion" by David Berlinski. I really enjoyed it. Try it, you may learn something new. David has a great way to explain things.
Was this presented back around August, when this event occurred?
Off topic but interesting, the ‘great city’ where the Lord was crucified is called Mystery Babylon (also S0dom and Egypt) at the end of the age ruling over the kings (govts) and great merchants (billionaires) of the earth:
_And their dead bodies will lie on the street of _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which spiritually is called S0dom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED._ (Rev 11.8)
_The woman [Babylon per 17.5] whom you saw is _*_THE GREAT CITY_*_ which reigns over the kings of the earth._ (Rev 17.18)
_”And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth/land.”_ (Rev 18.24)
_”Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!”_ (Mat 23.37)
_for your [Babylon’s] merchants were the great men of the earth, for all the nations were deceived by your “PHARMAKEIA”_ (Rev 18.23)
Nassau Community College is on Long Island, in NY not New Hampshire!!
The fact that Newton was involved with drawing and quartering was worth the price of admission.
Love David Berlinski! He has an incredibly sharp wit. I was saddened to learn that his parents had to flee Germany. It must have been dreadful! But I was a bit startled that someone so educated and erudite would blame the rise of Hitler and the NSDAP for his parents decision to leave the country. Surely he’s aware of the incessant assaults and murder being perpetrated by certain groups against the native German people. He must also know the horrific state of the monetary system designed and run by the same group mentioned which caused markets to drastically collapse, children to starve, and an unemployment rate of over 25%. I’m certain he also knows that this very minor ethnic group controlled major media, the currency, the legal system, the education system, upper level political positions, and so on - not much different than what is happening in America, the US, and most 1st world nations. My point is, his parents likely saw what was happening and noticed when the native population began taking their country back as a sign to leave.
Since we are talking about math. There’s no gravity without massive amounts of matter. There’s also no measurable distance without massive amounts of matter and there is no measurable amount of time without massive amounts matter. (No gravity no distance and no time without the existence of the formation of massive amounts of matter.) Time and distance are stretched between all of the supermassive black holes in the universe. Stretched means there is less measured distance and faster clocks, both of which contribute to a faster rate of causation and a faster speed of light compared to where there is more gravity where distance is not as stretched and time runs slower.
If you can understand this, you can understand general relativity and you can see why there is no need for dark matter because causation is faster the farther away from the center of the galaxy it is.
Dark energy is not needed either because the vacuum of space is from black holes that are growing by absorbing spacetime regardless of the amount of matter is being absorbed. This is the opposite of inflation. So the redshift is known to be from light leaving a galaxy and in a sense the farther away the source of the light is, the more the accumulation gravity it is leaving behind so the more redshifted the light is so that when the light enters the much smaller mass of our galaxy, the light is only slightly blueshifted back to its original spectrum.
It’s really not even hard to understand or explain.
min 38:00 Maybe the question is not accurate. There is often two possibilities. If there are more, they quickly are eliminated. Life is what happens while we make plans. Design is a set up. The rest is on auto pilot with apparent branches. In the acquisition of knowledge, reductionist by effort, something necessarily is left out, so conclusions require extrapolation, also known as error, or if you want to get fancy, entropy. All the design is up front.Evolution works, in reverse. The question was there are more ways to get nowhere than somewhere. Imagination invented the vacuum. We live in a pool of heavy water.
David could always fill in for Statler or Waldorf on the Muppet’s 😂😂😂😂
There is a limited way things go right because if there wasn’t then nothing would be comprehensible as infinite options are meaningless
Great minds, these two. Really appreciate the work of Discovery science.
Berlinski is still sharp as a scapel.
"Math exist even without humans"
Therefore. it is on the MIND of someone
Since we are apparently looking into genealogies and history, enough with so much disinformation. Neanderthals are Eurasians and Denisovans are a mix of Eurasians and Sino Canaanite tribe of Sinim with the D y-hg in Asia and or the House of King Nimrod’s descendants with the C y-hg both of which are Hamitic, Canaanite and Cushite. The original Hittites were also Canaanite.
Neanderthals were Eurasians descended from Japheth and Denisovans are a mix of Eurasians and Canaanites and or Cushites descended from Ham. We know this because of the people living today who have Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA. Sumerians were Assyrians and Akkadian descendants of Nimrod.
DNA migrations show that Native Americans crossed the Atlantic to Central America from the Mediterranean Sea. There are four or more haplogroup lineages that show this migration route, the A C&D maternal mtDNA lineages and the Q paternal Y chromosomal lineage as well as probably the C paternal y-hg lineage made this same crossing to Central America and then all of these lineages spread north and south from there. The Inuit also with the Q y-hg crossed the Bering Strait.
People are ignoring actual known human history. The actual historical records and DNA migrations show that everyone spread out from Mesopotamia. Ancient history is essential for everyone to know, especially that of the sixteen original civilizations… that are from the sixteen grandsons of Noah. We should learn ancient history before trying to learn science. The following are the paternal Y chromosome haplogroups that make the most sense.
1. The first inhabitants of Italy (K) Tubal
2. Thracians (L) Tiras
3. Greek sea people (T) Javan
4. Siberians & East Asians (NO) Magog
5. East Europeans & Eurasians (P) Meshek
6. Medes (Q) Madai
7. Western Europeans (R) Gomer
8. Hebrews & Arabic (IJ) Arphaxad
9. Elamites (H) Elam
10. Assyrians (G) Asshur
11. Arameans (F1) Aram
12. Lydians (F2) Lud
13. Cushites (AB, C) Cush
14. Egyptians (E3) Mitzrayim
15. Canaanites (E2, D) Canaan
16. Original N. African Phoenicians (E1) Phut
The only way to determine the actual paternal lineages is with the Y chromosome. E1 is Phut, E2 is Canaan and E3 is Mitzrayim. The descendants of Cush are A B and C with C being the descendants of the House of King Nimrod the first King of the world (with many descendants reinforcing his genes) which was from Akkad in Mesopotamia to Assyria otherwise known as the Sumer. The descendants of Nimrod later spread to the Americas and Pacific islands. It’s the reason Olmec statues often appear Polynesian since they share the same common ancestor with Polynesians. In the Americas it’s C3 and in the Pacific islands it’s C2.
The D paternal Y-hg Sino descendants of Canaan migrated from Canaan to Sinai and then east to Andaman Islands, China, all the way to Japan and Tibet. The C paternal Y-hg descendants of Nimrod migrated as far as South Asia, Australia, the Pacific, Mongolia, Europe and all the way to the Americas by way of Atlantic accounting for the Olmec civilization in Central America as well as the Q Y-hg descendants of Madai ancestor of the Medes that also crossed the Atlantic to Central America along with the maternal lineages of A C and D.
The A maternal mtDNA haplogroup belonging to the *Semitic* N lineage accompanied the Eurasian Q paternal Y-hg to Central America. The C&D maternal haplogroups belonging to the *Eurasian* M lineage also accompanied the Atlantic crossing of the Q paternal Y-hg Medes and probably the C paternal Y-hg to Central America. The Semitic B maternal mtDNA haplogroup seems to have crossed on the other side via the Pacific Ocean to South America.
The Mediterranean paternal R1b and the maternal X2a (also found in Galilee) represent yet another Atlantic crossing of the later Phoenicians in the days of King Solomon considering also the additional Mediterranean paternal Y chromosome haplogroups of T, G, I1, I2, J1, J2, E and B found in Native Americans today in addition to the Mediterranean R1b found in Native American Populations. J1 and J2 are Arabs and Hebrews. (I1 is most likely the tribe of Dan and I2 resembles the movements of the sailing tribe of Asher.)
Of course there are also the Cohen, 50% of which are J1 P58 known as the Cohen modal haplotype which identifies the IJ paternal lineage of Hebrews and Arabs that are descended from Arphaxad. J2 M172 is the largest group of descendants probably of the House of the kings David *and* Solomon. Now you know a lot more of what is now verified human history.
The mtDNA maternal lineage of the out of Africa claim goes from African to Eurasian and then to Semitic while the Y chromosome lineage goes from African to Semitic and then Eurasian. So according to that Africans produced Semitic males and Eurasian females who then produced Eurasian males and Semitic females completely invalidating the Out of Africa claim. *The reality is that all of these various lineages had to have existed simultaneously.*
I admire your dedication for writing such a lengthy comment, there is also another funny discovery that invalidates the “out of Africa theory”, there are bones which belong to what evolutionists call “ancient humans with physical characteristics between the Homo erectus and modern human stages”. They do however stress that they are like us and that they are human. The kicker is that these guys are 300000 years old, which means that they were already in Asia and didn’t migrate from Africa or anything like that. Which means that human beings didn’t “evolve” from some species of African apes as these evolutionists had hoped. If you would like more details about the absurdity of evolution then please watch this video, it has English caption for your convenience :
th-cam.com/video/8eVCf_1Eg5g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kMEjLArkR2it5Db0
What most do not know of is the higher age perspective of human evolution from its own unique prototype and species to its own unique prototype. Evolution is the case but man (humanity) was a special creation. Anything else is bunk and ‘the hard problem of consciousness’ is further proof that humanity from a different prototype is bunk.
Fourteen versions of the human in a universal cycle.
😊
Math must have been a given as was language. The Sanskrit language is the mother language of most Indo European languages. Its alphabet is based on actual physical sound so it is a given in nature.
Hahaha! "Sitting there like fat pheasants."
18:14 I live in nashua!
1 Corinthians 2:6-16
Berlinksi is KING
One reason for mathematics is that God made man to be master of the whole universe, the only way man can reach out (in this world) to the whole universe is through mathematics - theorems true everywhere in the universe.
At what point in time does the current evidence for God being discovered and disseminated by all of these great people in the ID movement create a tsunami of Christian faith? I believe it will be sooner than we may have hoped. God willing.
mcmanustony,
Wow, I didn't know your family barely escaped from the Nazis.
I see where you get your musical interest though, from your daddy Berlinski.
First