But often politics just wriggles itself into projects, due to certain conduct that may arise in the community and contributors. To circumvent actual politics here, I give the "Actually GNU/Linux" guy as example who will sooner or later come and leave their issue or pr, or block other prs and then you have to deal with them. And regardless of the general decision it can be handled poorly. Just generally I'm not up to date with SUSE
I started my Linux journey with SuSE 9.0 and later I moved to Arch for the rolling release. When they came out with Tumbleweed, I came back and I do love me some Tumbleweed. I have tried to use the forum, but I just can't put up with some of the forum moderation team.
I've been using open suse for a long time... But hearing this is making think to switch distros. Sad. Sad that the group who wants to be "Inclusive" is very "exclusive "
OpenSUSE has its problems but to me it has tools in it that make it easier for someone like me to use. The YAST suite along with the flexibility it enables without needing to go through command lines makes it far easier for me to configure my system (as someone who recently switched from Windows) than you will find in many other distributions (ones I tried didn't let me use multiple hard drives which made them unusable for me). On the negative side the YAST interface has simply not aged well. Fortunately this seems to have been noted and there is supposedly a replacement system in the making. The biggest issue for me (as a user) is that the system is disjointed with regards to the likes of the KDE control panel and the ones in the YAST suite with it not being obvious to a new user which one is taking primacy and one giving totally different (and wrong) information in spite of how things have been set on the other.
OpenSuSE, not even talking about politics of it's members, has been really bad at communication as to what OpenSuSE really is. They lack focus, to the point that I've not even thought about them as a distro for years. Unless they fix that, the political issues, that are at this point entrenched, of the distro maintainers are moot. They've been slowly killing themselves for years now.
It still is from what I can see. I recently tested a bunch of big name distros because I've been on Debian-xfce for half of a decade and curious about the competition, Suse leap-KDE 15.4 is a very good experience out of the box. (Using a desktop with two screens, one landscape and turned portrait)
Today's Open SUSE, is just a ghost of its former glory. It took the way, away from it's user base, straight forward to the MS-IBM "business" road. Once a palace, now just a ruin. Personally I moved away, but that's just my personal opinion. Anyway, I doubt if it's worth saving.
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great distro, been using it on so many machines. I like the monitoring tools especially. SLES/openSUSE could see an upsurge, due to IBM/RHEL shooting themselves in the foot. Fact is... Nobody trusts Oracle, and even they seem like the good guys now. And SLES has quite a large install base. It'll chug right along, and as Bryan pointed out, they have a brilliant ecosystem full of great stuff.
Let it die. The second you make your software about anything else but your software you easily exclude half of potential users. Tbh, I think it's sorta beautiful everyone can use the things I wrote, even if I'd strongly disagree with their views. That's part of putting sth. out there that's really free.
Which uniquely valuable features? Calling its users and contributors "rotten flesh that needs to be cut out"? Now there's a feature Linux can do without.
I fully agree with what you're saying and to be absolutely honest it is really sad to see an amazing project such as openSUSE to be saying these horrible things and be so discriminating, but I think the best and easiest way is not to fight the current and try to go up the river against the flow, but just to simply fork the whole project under a slightly different name but with community policies that are truly inclusive, welcoming and encompassing and with common sense without bulls...t. Forming a new (forked) project that is independent from SUSE corporation and the openSUSE community that is truly 100% community driven and not corporate driven!
From what I've been able to gather it was said on the factory mailing list in a long thread about a request to remove the rainbow logo on reddit. Nothing specific about conservatives from what I could see, just about a couple specific users in the thread. The comment made was totally out of line of course, but the whole thing's been blown out of proportion IMO. The original comment has been edited but it's quoted further down in the thread. I am guessing the person that posted it has been reprimanded behind the scenes... he clearly was in breach of the CoC as well lol. I hope they issue an official statement about it. While I am on the left I don't think board members or moderators should be exempt from the CoC! Rules are rules.
I disagree almost everything is political - unfortunately. And burying your head in the sand won't make it go away or Make it seam like everything it's just so wonderful with the world. The fact that opensuse is a part of open source is a political statement period. Open source is the DNA of opensuse. Right leaning and thinking people are really not about working and sharing together. That mindset is against everything that opensuse and open source is about.
so fucking triggered over this okay???? lol if opensuse dies, Im off work for a week at least, will be pouring strong alco in me like its the end of the world fr
I am willing to bet the problem with OpenSuse politics is ESG. Suse is locked into ESG, they have a page describing their ESG mission. Since OpenSuse is tied to Suse as you pointed out, it becomes clear why the OpenSuse board would make such crazy political statement. The ESG is a framework that places social justice issues at a higher priority than customer relationships and profitability. ESG values are very left wing, so it makes perfect sense that they would actively discourage right wing contributors from participating. Many companies have fallen under the curse of ESG since its inception a few years ago.
I was gonna recommend OpenSUSE to my brother but after hearing what their upper echelon declared at 2:10 I am going to NOT recommend it and put it below even Ubuntu. Good I clicked on this video. Thank you for spreading the news. I am not gonna support fascists.
It's time to fork it. I love tumbleweed, it's package manager works better than Arch pacman. Even though it's harf to install nvidia drivers on the kernel, that really sucks.
Ah fork it! (jk ...sort of) I will still install Leap where I want a good out of the box KDE setup and zypper/DNF[rpm] package management. I just won't be contributing any time or money to such an ignorant intolerant group.
That's really a shame that opensuse's issues are self inflicted and seemingly deep rooted. The people have to refrain from letting media and politicical entities divide us. That's how they maintain their power. I'm rooting for rebirth and future success for OpenSUSE.
Suse needs to invest more. Making more server related packages in leap since most people decussing Opensuse leap over rhel alternatives or ubuntu lts. With less packages and requiring installing from binary and tutorials/documentation are just not really there. I have not seen anything new that seperates opensuse from fedora or debian testing in the last year or two.
There apparently was some political nonsense of why Debian's KDE packager ended up stop being a maintainer, I am curious if Lunduke has done a story on it, as it sounds like another 'you're a nazi' issue. I only found this out today as I have been wondering where the KDE 6.x packages were for Debian Sid... I may have to look for a new main distro, though I already triple boot Garuda, Debian and that W OS...
When I use any Linux distribution the last thing I think about is my political stance. However, as an independent with conservative values, learning this about the leaders who call the shots, I say screw them! There's plenty of fish in the pond. We need Lunduke Linux! 😄
You can't actually BE politically "indepedent" with "Conservative values". That just means you're too broke to afford golf trips. You're one of those tryhards Trump was talking about at the Libertarian rally.
Solus/Arch/Debian, I think the actions of the openSUSE project (and no pushback from SUSE at all) plus Red Hat's actions makes me think its time to abandon RPM distros once and for all
Well, to be fair, the Obama / Hillary voters do seem to have an inclination for supporting countries like Palestine, and regimes like Hamas, who actually are INCREDIBLY far Right and Conservative. Infact, the average Palestinian female make Rush Limbaugh sound like a frilly ass California Lefty.
But SUSE isn't based in the USA, and in the USA, "Left" political ideology and "Right" political ideology are MASSIVELY different than they are in the rest of the planet. USA always has to be "different" in this way. So, when SUSE is talking about far Right, they mean people who will cut a woman's breasts off their body for being lesbian, for example. USA Right wingers couldn't even handle people wearing face masks so I doubt they were talking about them specifically, because no one on Earth could even remotely take those types seriously as a threat to anything other than their own household
The companies that are going this route are failing. Just look at what happened to the Godot game engine when they decided to go woke. The OpenSuse community will fall apart. You cannot bring politics into a serious product.
There's plenty of sane center-left and just plain left people. There's also a lot of right-leaning people who act in a hateful way. It's just that the sane, cooperative people aren't as loud as the controversial & hypocritical ones. Everyone thinks "the others" have radical views and questionable methods, but really most people can agree on many things on a per-issue basis. Conflict usually arises over aesthetics (e.g. someone tries to be inclusive and comes off as pushing an agenda) and directly personal disagreements (e.g. someone says something which offends someone else, then it gets heated and one of them invokes some moral or political principle to justify their feelings). I think these arguments are a natural result of working with people from different backgrounds. Communities should strive to agree on some basic values (e.g. transparency, non-hyperbolic inclusivity, community-centric decision making) and try to de-escalate conflicts which will inevitably arise. As a leftist, I actually think Bryan's ideas about more community controlled governance are a step in the right direction.
@@J0derVIVIVI Ohhhh so the whole idea behind this video is let's return SUSE to it's former National Socialist glory? Why not start Proud Linux or VARGBSD or openWAGNER instead?
@@J0derVIVIVI Oh, I forgot, White Conservatives want everything done FOR them, for free. Welp. We'll message you on Don Black's messageboard when Fat Seth from American History X finally gets his Computer and Religious Science degrees
Distros, kernels, OS, shouldn't take political stances either way. What is the point in alienating half the base?
But often politics just wriggles itself into projects, due to certain conduct that may arise in the community and contributors.
To circumvent actual politics here, I give the "Actually GNU/Linux" guy as example who will sooner or later come and leave their issue or pr, or block other prs and then you have to deal with them. And regardless of the general decision it can be handled poorly.
Just generally I'm not up to date with SUSE
I started my Linux journey with SuSE 9.0 and later I moved to Arch for the rolling release. When they came out with Tumbleweed, I came back and I do love me some Tumbleweed. I have tried to use the forum, but I just can't put up with some of the forum moderation team.
I know the whole openSUSE team hate me, but I will continue to use it to spite them. It works for me.
do not waste your time like that.
@@freedomgoddess What do you choose to replace Tumbleweed?
I've been using open suse for a long time... But hearing this is making think to switch distros. Sad. Sad that the group who wants to be "Inclusive" is very "exclusive "
This is unfortunately typical stance of these... people.
Wait? So the political community at large doesn't support segregation and such these days? That's CERTAINLY news.
OpenSUSE has its problems but to me it has tools in it that make it easier for someone like me to use. The YAST suite along with the flexibility it enables without needing to go through command lines makes it far easier for me to configure my system (as someone who recently switched from Windows) than you will find in many other distributions (ones I tried didn't let me use multiple hard drives which made them unusable for me).
On the negative side the YAST interface has simply not aged well. Fortunately this seems to have been noted and there is supposedly a replacement system in the making. The biggest issue for me (as a user) is that the system is disjointed with regards to the likes of the KDE control panel and the ones in the YAST suite with it not being obvious to a new user which one is taking primacy and one giving totally different (and wrong) information in spite of how things have been set on the other.
OpenSuSE, not even talking about politics of it's members, has been really bad at communication as to what OpenSuSE really is. They lack focus, to the point that I've not even thought about them as a distro for years. Unless they fix that, the political issues, that are at this point entrenched, of the distro maintainers are moot. They've been slowly killing themselves for years now.
There was a time when SuSE was THE platform to run for KDE
It still is from what I can see. I recently tested a bunch of big name distros because I've been on Debian-xfce for half of a decade and curious about the competition, Suse leap-KDE 15.4 is a very good experience out of the box. (Using a desktop with two screens, one landscape and turned portrait)
Yeah, it’s definitely still the best KDE distro! ❤
Been using Tumbleweed KDE for little more than a week and it has been running smooth so far.
Today's Open SUSE, is just a ghost of its former glory.
It took the way, away from it's user base, straight forward to the MS-IBM "business" road.
Once a palace, now just a ruin.
Personally I moved away, but that's just my personal opinion.
Anyway, I doubt if it's worth saving.
great distro, been using it on so many machines. I like the monitoring tools especially.
SLES/openSUSE could see an upsurge, due to IBM/RHEL shooting themselves in the foot.
Fact is... Nobody trusts Oracle, and even they seem like the good guys now.
And SLES has quite a large install base.
It'll chug right along, and as Bryan pointed out, they have a brilliant ecosystem full of great stuff.
Let it die.
The second you make your software about anything else but your software you easily exclude half of potential users.
Tbh, I think it's sorta beautiful everyone can use the things I wrote, even if I'd strongly disagree with their views. That's part of putting sth. out there that's really free.
8:51 yep it is fragmenting itself to death. And each of those variants competes for attention.
Which uniquely valuable features? Calling its users and contributors "rotten flesh that needs to be cut out"? Now there's a feature Linux can do without.
I fully agree with what you're saying and to be absolutely honest it is really sad to see an amazing project such as openSUSE to be saying these horrible things and be so discriminating, but I think the best and easiest way is not to fight the current and try to go up the river against the flow, but just to simply fork the whole project under a slightly different name but with community policies that are truly inclusive, welcoming and encompassing and with common sense without bulls...t. Forming a new (forked) project that is independent from SUSE corporation and the openSUSE community that is truly 100% community driven and not corporate driven!
Ey man, I just want a working Distro, and I feel like so far it does that.
You seem like a passionate and good guy. I hope u get in the board. :)
Any updates on did he managed to safe opensuse?
Didn't know about the political angle, thank you for making the choice to stay on Fedora so easy for me.
So uhhh... how do you feel about it ties to Red Hat? 😅
Any link to that official statement by any chance? Even in the wayback machine?
From what I've been able to gather it was said on the factory mailing list in a long thread about a request to remove the rainbow logo on reddit. Nothing specific about conservatives from what I could see, just about a couple specific users in the thread. The comment made was totally out of line of course, but the whole thing's been blown out of proportion IMO. The original comment has been edited but it's quoted further down in the thread. I am guessing the person that posted it has been reprimanded behind the scenes... he clearly was in breach of the CoC as well lol. I hope they issue an official statement about it. While I am on the left I don't think board members or moderators should be exempt from the CoC! Rules are rules.
My right to speak freely ends where yours begins. That's all the policy needs to say. The golden rule is the guide.
I'm glad I started moving a couple of years ago to a BSD desktop.
Make SUSE great again
well, I never used OpenSuse, I guess I will never do then. Happy on KDE Neon.
I disagree almost everything is political - unfortunately. And burying your head in the sand won't make it go away or Make it seam like everything it's just so wonderful with the world. The fact that opensuse is a part of open source is a political statement period. Open source is the DNA of opensuse. Right leaning and thinking people are really not about working and sharing together. That mindset is against everything that opensuse and open source is about.
so fucking triggered over this
okay????
lol
if opensuse dies, Im off work for a week at least, will be pouring strong alco in me like its the end of the world fr
Agreed - messaging / comms are muddled and better clarification is needed on website/wikis. Wrong about the landing page offering.
Guess they figured they have too many users.
The repo servers are overloaded and no money to expand?
I am willing to bet the problem with OpenSuse politics is ESG. Suse is locked into ESG, they have a page describing their ESG mission. Since OpenSuse is tied to Suse as you pointed out, it becomes clear why the OpenSuse board would make such crazy political statement. The ESG is a framework that places social justice issues at a higher priority than customer relationships and profitability. ESG values are very left wing, so it makes perfect sense that they would actively discourage right wing contributors from participating. Many companies have fallen under the curse of ESG since its inception a few years ago.
This should be the OS people are switching to for the first time when they move over from windows. Then they should proceed to Ubuntu/ Debian.
Debian. Strike Ubuntu.
I was gonna recommend OpenSUSE to my brother but after hearing what their upper echelon declared at 2:10 I am going to NOT recommend it and put it below even Ubuntu. Good I clicked on this video. Thank you for spreading the news. I am not gonna support fascists.
Thanks man I try to avoid compain8es like that. Keeping Manjaro for now. Subbed!
C'mon Bryan, let it go. Come to a real community distro like Arch or Debian if that's what you're looking for. Forget about these corporate distros
Just fork it, and start a new community take the best of what you can en build on that.
It's time to fork it. I love tumbleweed, it's package manager works better than Arch pacman. Even though it's harf to install nvidia drivers on the kernel, that really sucks.
There’s enough politics in the world. This should be apolitical should No one should be bringing their politics into any project.
Ah fork it! (jk ...sort of)
I will still install Leap where I want a good out of the box KDE setup and zypper/DNF[rpm] package management. I just won't be contributing any time or money to such an ignorant intolerant group.
That's really a shame that opensuse's issues are self inflicted and seemingly deep rooted. The people have to refrain from letting media and politicical entities divide us. That's how they maintain their power. I'm rooting for rebirth and future success for OpenSUSE.
You're a journalist, why no sources?
He IS the source
@@WildVoltorb no, the whole rotten flesh story isn't something he's the source of is he?
@@Qyngali Nope, that thread is still archived for your perusing pleasure
@@kpcraftster6580 it was sarcasm.
I think it's better to just fork the project and call it openPusse
Best linux distro name yet 😂
Suse needs to invest more. Making more server related packages in leap since most people decussing Opensuse leap over rhel alternatives or ubuntu lts. With less packages and requiring installing from binary and tutorials/documentation are just not really there. I have not seen anything new that seperates opensuse from fedora or debian testing in the last year or two.
Based opensuse.
There apparently was some political nonsense of why Debian's KDE packager ended up stop being a maintainer, I am curious if Lunduke has done a story on it, as it sounds like another 'you're a nazi' issue. I only found this out today as I have been wondering where the KDE 6.x packages were for Debian Sid... I may have to look for a new main distro, though I already triple boot Garuda, Debian and that W OS...
Idly wondering if Yast will survive if Lunduke does get a SuSE voice...
lol why would they ever be separate it is like the relationship between redhat and fedora
I agree i myself an a liberal person but i do not think politics should have a place in the foss space
This conservative linux user just installed Arch after seeing what the board thinks of conservatives
wait until you meet all the weebs and furries and theydies/gentlethems that use Arch. You'll love it there
I'm rotten flesh and proud of it
@17:28 is old mate getting to the point
Interesting - my comment got deleted....for disagreeing with you. Hmmm.
somebody ate my comment..
what I was saying: get woke, go broke.
go woke go broke is a fallacy.
@@happygofishing it was only a fallacy when there was venture capital to prop woke up. Since SVB fell, looks like that free money has dried up.
BASED
When I use any Linux distribution the last thing I think about is my political stance. However, as an independent with conservative values, learning this about the leaders who call the shots, I say screw them! There's plenty of fish in the pond. We need Lunduke Linux! 😄
You can't actually BE politically "indepedent" with "Conservative values". That just means you're too broke to afford golf trips. You're one of those tryhards Trump was talking about at the Libertarian rally.
I cringe just trying to get through the hyperbolic rhetoric (thats being gracious) to try to find any point worth considering....::sigh:: here we go.
LOL. His whole schtick is hyperbole!
Always the same Corporate scumbags always ruin a good thing 😢😢
Put the energy into suppprting other distros instead, like Solus
Solus/Arch/Debian, I think the actions of the openSUSE project (and no pushback from SUSE at all) plus Red Hat's actions makes me think its time to abandon RPM distros once and for all
I voted for Obama both times and Hillary in 2016. But now people think I am far right.
"I voted for war criminals whose party is the antithesis of democracy and everyone is calling me far-right."
A mystery.
Well, to be fair, the Obama / Hillary voters do seem to have an inclination for supporting countries like Palestine, and regimes like Hamas, who actually are INCREDIBLY far Right and Conservative. Infact, the average Palestinian female make Rush Limbaugh sound like a frilly ass California Lefty.
Plus a lot of Democrats actually support Dixiecrat political ideology, particularly segregation.
And nothing screams "Give us segregation" like "Let's propose a two-State form of government"
But SUSE isn't based in the USA, and in the USA, "Left" political ideology and "Right" political ideology are MASSIVELY different than they are in the rest of the planet. USA always has to be "different" in this way. So, when SUSE is talking about far Right, they mean people who will cut a woman's breasts off their body for being lesbian, for example. USA Right wingers couldn't even handle people wearing face masks so I doubt they were talking about them specifically, because no one on Earth could even remotely take those types seriously as a threat to anything other than their own household
This is why you don’t do drugs kids.
The companies that are going this route are failing. Just look at what happened to the Godot game engine when they decided to go woke. The OpenSuse community will fall apart. You cannot bring politics into a serious product.
Bryan Lunduke
Lyan Brunduke
@@starlightatdusk4896 true!
dude do some research opensuse micro os is an immutable distro based on opensuse tumblweed not a minimal distro
People other than center to right is so hatefu today. This saddens me. What the heck happened to the sane center to left?
There's plenty of sane center-left and just plain left people. There's also a lot of right-leaning people who act in a hateful way. It's just that the sane, cooperative people aren't as loud as the controversial & hypocritical ones. Everyone thinks "the others" have radical views and questionable methods, but really most people can agree on many things on a per-issue basis.
Conflict usually arises over aesthetics (e.g. someone tries to be inclusive and comes off as pushing an agenda) and directly personal disagreements (e.g. someone says something which offends someone else, then it gets heated and one of them invokes some moral or political principle to justify their feelings).
I think these arguments are a natural result of working with people from different backgrounds. Communities should strive to agree on some basic values (e.g. transparency, non-hyperbolic inclusivity, community-centric decision making) and try to de-escalate conflicts which will inevitably arise.
As a leftist, I actually think Bryan's ideas about more community controlled governance are a step in the right direction.
LOL
dude, I understand your disappointment and frustration because you are too racist 🤷🤷🤷
And being raycis is good
Of what?
Why is he racist
@@J0derVIVIVI Ohhhh so the whole idea behind this video is let's return SUSE to it's former National Socialist glory? Why not start Proud Linux or VARGBSD or openWAGNER instead?
@@J0derVIVIVI Oh, I forgot, White Conservatives want everything done FOR them, for free. Welp. We'll message you on Don Black's messageboard when Fat Seth from American History X finally gets his Computer and Religious Science degrees
Fork Tumbleweed into FreeBreeze? :-)