honestly im not sure consumer push back on loot boxes has been so extreme at this point that basically no one does them anymore, besides mobile only rarity is bizarre but id be SHOCKED to see old friend the boxes back ive been wrong before tho....
I doubt so, lootboxes are gone, they're even banned in a few countries as inducing gambling. If anything they'd jump on the very profitable Season Pass model, but they don't need Lootboxes for rarity scores, they're just bs to price stuff more
I've come to hate challenge systems, let alone in 60 euro games. I work 9/5, I'd be paying premium for an incomplete feeling game that wants me to spend more money in an ingame shop and more time to pad their statistics when I just want to come home and relax/play at my own pace. Of course it does not force me but it does try to coax me and I don't need a salesmen in my home
Yeah I feel you, video games are escapism, and sure they can have challenge, but as soon as they start to feel like real life chores and duties I'm out, I don't need to be reminded constantly of a clock ticking and needing to punch in the hours for menial tasks to get my paycheck, especially when it feels psychologically manipulative out of the box.
@@nathane5287 And the fact that you can't do the challenges with mods on, brilliant Relic maybe if your game with complete we wouldn't need mods to flesh it out but no you get punished for using mods.
Appreciate the update on the game a month after it's launch. "I don't want everything cool in the game locked behind a paywall, but I at least want to think the stuff on offer is cool and enticing." Unfortunately, what I've come to understand about in-game stores (based off my own limited experience in the game industry) is that there's no real incentive for the developers to make cool free/unlockable items when you can just incentivize players to pay money for them. The color palette swaps like camos are really not that difficult for a game artist to create and certainly shouldn't cost what Relic is charging for them. I'm at the point where I just don't think an in-game store should be present in any game that you pay up front for. I'd personally rather pay more money to purchase a game up front if that meant it would never have a store in it. The problem with that though is how do you trust that the developer won't just add one in post launch? I guess that would depend on how much said developer/publisher cares about their reputation as a company which unfortunately, many don't seem to do nowadays. On the point of mods, what Relic should do is take a page out of Bethesda's playbook and actually encourage mod making. You look at an old game like Skyrim which still manages to turn a profit for Bethesda in large part because of the modding community. No need for an in-game store when people will still buy the game years after its initial release simply for the mods.
They do this shit because nobody releases complete games anymore. They charge you full price and tune it as time goes on. It’s annoying for the consumer, but it’s actually smart of the developers to do this. They get paid and the game gets patched more regularly as they monitor the data unlike the old days where you’d only get a patch when a dlc dropped
Yesterday i had a game on a desert 3v3 map, where my Anti Tank guns and even my tanks all shot into the ground instead of hitting the tank (if there was a hill it was definitely not that high, and it was a victory point). That was really frustrating because 7-10 shots didnt hit...
@@zbigniew2628 had nothing to do with terrain. AT shots fall short often. The first shot usually always misses. If you get unlucky you can miss 2-3 per gun
THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SO MUCH! i was in the campaign about 20 minutes ago, and my tanks would straight up shoot the ground or obstacles nearby if the enemy they were targeting had any elevation difference. i had to move my tanks into vulnerable positions to even get them to hit on target. and my god the path tracing is so bad im surprised they've let it fester this long. so many units lost due to the AI having zero braincells when it comes to traversing around the map
Majority of the units in CoH3 have pretty bad aim, the only ones having good accuracy being machineguns/autocannons. It still takes 2 and a sneeze to kill light vehicles with an AT gun, yet the one thing preventing them so is how bad their aim is. They gotta work on some unit's hit chances; although hopes are it's coming with the major balance patch down the line. This most recent major patch is still a balance pass aimed mostly at the most notorious balance breakers just so such things are on even ground compared to the other things in game before doing an entire balance rework.
Great job bringing this update videos, very useful to the users that don't have the game yet like me in order to know about the current state of coh 3, keep it up!!
In my opinion, it is not ok to introduce a freaking in-game MTX shop only 1 month after release while they charge 60!!!$€ for this game. It would have been ok after let's say 1-2 years but not one month while the game is in a terrible state. For me Sega is milkings the sinking ship... CoH3 is designed like a Free2play game without the benefits! Relic as we loved it is long dead and we all should accept that and move on, indies and smaller productions will save the RTS genre.
I had to chuckle when you asked if we were still playing COH3 because I'm waiting on PS5 release. Console doesn't offer a whole lot like it unfortunately.
Cosmetic only? I can´t believe people have cucked themselfs by accepting this especially for a full money realease game. I miss the days were stuff could be unlocked ingame but no nowadays everyhing is "fine" if it´s cosmetic only, bloody hell Sterdust was right.
I really couldnt get into the campaign of COH3 for much of the same reasons as you. I also only played a handful of online matches and found it to be quite empty and nothing like COH2, but mysteriously overnight COH2 just got a bunch of bugs and glitches and we were struggling to get matches to work right. Sync error codes, fatal script errors, just weird stuff I've never had to deal with before COH3...sus. 👀🤔 Maybe I'll open up 3 now that an update is out or wait another month or two to see what happens. 🤷♂️
The game should of had 1-2 years more development. Multiplayer at the moment is so unbalanced with the mighty Italian blob machine gunning everything in it path 😂
This update just shows how dog shit the game is. They need to create challenges etc and not rely on the core game to keep people playing. Great to see vehicle pathfinding still sucks. Meanwhile Beyond all reason is completely free and constantly updated with new maps coming out fairly often.
why do I not get currency when I play in a match? Only the stupid challenges give currency, but playing the game does not. that's so silly. I prefer Company 2's system. feels terrible to play a 45 minute match and get nothing.
Zade you should really take a look at the Age Of The Ring mod for BFME2, it's like the biggest middle earth mod out there and completely overhauls the base game with tons of new factions and crazy new units. It doesn't even feel like a mod sometimes, it's like an official game
You're like my favorite reviewer for RTS games and I'd love to see your take on it and to introduce it to new people. The final complete version of the mod released recently and it's a blast.
I played some multiplayer for COH and COH2. I bought the game, mostly for the campaign. I played the COH Campaign a few times, and really enjoyed it. Dawn of War 2, I played that competitively with their multiplayer. I mostly bought the games for the single player campaign. About 70% of the RTS audience may have bought a game for the campaign. One of the biggest turn offs for COH3 was the woke trailers. The woke warning they give prior to the North Africa Campaign, and how they frame the story, makes it uninteresting. COH1, what it did well, was gave a Saving Private Ryan/Band of Brothers story or experience. That is what sells the game. Given people like the game, they may stick around for the multiplayer. One of the reasons DOW3 failed was due to the developers trying to make something specifically for E-Sports. Given the focus was on E-Sports, and making money, more often then not, it means a lot of game quality will fall short. The focus was off. People with a passion for making a games, and passion for telling stories, they tend to make a good product. Someone just looking to make money, and showing up because it is a job.........They may have been out of touch.
The Store is really badly implemented, although does seem like Relic just "doing it for the sake of doing it because higher ups told them to." Majority of the funds go to publisher first, then to higher ups on relic, then to the devs themselves. I'm more to believe it's Sega pushing for Relic to have the shop out for the game already more so than Relic themselves. Overall, this game definitely needed time in the oven, but now that I think of it; that time would've honestly just killed the game from ever getting out. Why do I believe that? Well, keep in mind that CoH as a franchise isn't a flagship title for Sega but more so for Relic themselves. If it's too costly to justify having a game for a franchise that Sega sees as not as popular as Total War, then why should they give the studio more funds for their project? They would most likely sell the IP or hire a new studio to do it instead who'd do it cheaper. Also quite a coincidence that the Relic titles that didn't do well on launch were all Sega published. Like, even the most recent Relic title, AoE4, was well received and that was Microsoft published.
I really really hope they dont add more zoom out in coh3. If this happens, this is the nail in the coffin as a coh veteran. More zoom out doesnt fit to the gameplay. This is not age of empires. you are supposed to use tac map, minimap and many other indicators to watch ur units. Its intended from you to check ur 8 (maybe less or more) units.
modern gaming is a fucking hellhole. games worth your time and money are so few and far between its unfathomable. corruption and greed never fail to ruin everything
The prevailing motto of the software industry is: "The software gets shipped as soon as the updater works." - The games industry has extended this to: "The software is finished as soon as the shop is up and running". Aren't we living in glorious times?
Back when we have to buy the physical spinner to play a game, they have to make sure the game is in good shape before release. But what happened in the past stay in the past
Hmm... Yeah no, weekly challenge to get merit just reminds me too much like those games with monthly battle pass, have to keep logging in every week just to complete challanges.
@@Zade_95 Yeah the trouble is they want to up logins and login time which for me has had the complete opposite effect for me, in the time I am willing to spend on a game I usually can unlock the 30 merit one alone. I play a couple of games a week and that is about it, how do they not understand their playerbase tends to older and don't have hours and hours to devote to the game. Once I saw how the merit system works it was complete turn off, as it is an integral part of the game it turned me off that as well and up to then I was enjoying the game.
The shop was kind of the last nail in the coffin for me. At least for now. The mod-support seem nice, but I somewhat doubt that it will get any major support from Relic. Especially since the shop seems to depend on cosmetics, and any good visual mods would under-cut their offers on the shop. 🤷♂ I'm probably gonna wait for a major price-drop.
"Our game hasn't been preforming well player wise and review wise, how do we improve this? I know, in game purchases for mediocre skins" the absolute state of gaming in current year.
Maybe I'm old, but I last time I remember really enjoying an RTS was Deserts of Kharak. There's something about new RTS games that makes me unable to get into them. I tried CoH2, Spellforce 3 and Iron Harvest. Bounced off all of them before I even finished the campaign. Meanwhile I can go back to Red Alert 3, both SupComs Starcraft 1 and 2 and even oldies like Erath, recently I played Dark Reign for the first time and I loved the heck out of it. This new CoH, from presentation to features, does not speak to me at all. And microtransactions on top of all that? Man...
@@sneakycactus8815 I did not, because Wargame wasn't really for me, but I heard SD2 is much more about direct combat, so it's in my "play it someday" backlog.
@@ThatDjinn well if you ever come across a good sale (that is if you dont already own the game), id say go for it. it is as you say, more about direct combat. no basebuilding of any sort short of some defences you can place on the map, on one specific multiplayer game mode. but the combat simulation is top notch and the ai isnt that bad. multiplayer always has 1-2 full 10v10 servers during peak US hours, with a handful of 4v4, 3v3, and so on servers. though, as you might expect with modern games these days, dlc's can get a little excessive. Eugen has been releasing more and more expensive low effort ones as of recent as well. so if you go deeper into the game, check out the most recommended dlc's and just get those. all is not required for fun as many are filled with copy pasted units.
I like how people still have this mentality that the funds from Microtransactions are going directly into the hands of developers. That will only happen if their studio is not beholden by Publisher. In reality, goes into the hand of their publisher first and everyone underneath the Publisher. Before the Dev team even get a percent of that money you paid. Which is why you see crazy as skins/DLCs end up showing up into games that doesn't make any sense for their setting. The publisher are the one that have a said in everything that get added into the game. So I won't be surprised if this game end up having anime skins.
Well said I like how people still have this mentality that the funds from Microtransactions are going directly into the hands of developers.- the same people will defend the store and in the same breath say dont blame the developers its not them its the publisher. like bro are you even listening to yourself
You dont need to turn into a mobile game to support your developpement. Look at steel division 2, warno, broken arrow. They dont do any macrotranzactions, give out free dlc, have better graphics and more units and nations.
Typical gimping of modding tool so that players are forced to rely on paid DLC for new content. Fuck relic and fuck tuning packs. CoH1 and DoW1 remain the superior games.
In a world where Supreme Commander and LOUD exists, why would you even bother with this shameless cash-grab? The greatest RTS ever made is playable today, for less than $10 and it has hundreds of mods, maps and a dedicated community still creating content for it.
If Relic is open to improving modability that's a huge step above them madly calling all modders cheaters back at the release of CoH2, which I remember & which then already prevented modders from bugfixing or adding new content. I want complete modability on singleplayer, which is completely doable separate from multiplayer modes.
I am likely getting on console this fall. Loved 1&2 on PC. Hopefully the console version is decent. Usually only play private skirmishes and campaign. Thabks for the reviews
Every game, every single game that comes out, it's just always the same. Unfinished, restrictive, feature-poor shadows of better games of yore that use swanky graphics to distract from the undisguised prioritisation of naked profiteering over making something fun that might inspire someone. If Age of Empires 1 came out today, the Iron Age would be added in an update a month after launch, there'd be no scenario editor at all, the Babylon campaign would have a clip-art broken-record-facsimile Hammurabi to tell you over and over to deal with the Elamites... and three missions... and you'd have to pay eight quid to unlock the Hittites. Just stop it. Really, Relic? You? You, who brought us the original Homeworld(s) and Dawn of War? I'm sick of it.
I knew that the bullsh!t from CoH2 will be coming back. They should have just upgraded the old game and added new content to that. Creative Assembly went a way better route with the Total War Warhammer trilogy. TWW3 had way more upgrades compares to TWW2 and almost all of the older content is still relevant and playable in the newest entry. I pay for quality content, graphics, art and design, animations, music, mechanics et cetera. However, I do not pay for pointless skins in a mediocre game. Just lazy af.
I restarted the Italian campaign about a week ago. I'm having more fun, but it really is just skirmishes with a mild progression system and a wonky strategy layer. The biggest annoyances are bad pathfinding and buggy line of sight right now. If they continue to work on the game and update it I'd be happy.
I hate it how they want to make every freaking game a "service" game. Not finished game release, rest will be free updates so they can say it is "Free" updates eventhou it should have been in from the start while they have an ingame shop of course.
So 1.1.1 “fixed” the ability to use tuning mods 2 days after 1.1.0 came out. Only because people where using cheat mod to get around the grind for challenges but they did not fix a bug a lot of players can’t even buy items with Merit.
An expiration time on the rewards? Completely inexcusable. Why not just have the reward be auto-claimed? Someone went out of their way to add that for the sole reason of screwing over players who aren't paying attention, so they can make those players take longer to get cosmetic items and entise them to rather pay for them.
The store left me with a bad first impression. It felt like the game is asking for more money when the game is priced at $70 (without a sale). I greatly appreciate that CoH 3 is not pay to win. I appreciate that the developers are still patching and updating the game.
Dude your first vid players myself included bagged this title. Not for 60 bucks no freakin way sort of bs game to me buying shit they just asked for twice the amount for a typical sequel game. No way zade no freakin way my man. Coh3 is bogus straight up not for 60 dollars now they want me to buy chit. Cmon man, the mod limit too coh and coh 2 is my limit. Coh 3 is off the list enjoy it all u who dropped 60 bones lol damn ....60 bucks for this u gotta be delusional😢
I guarantee you they are going to put Battlegroups in the shop because that's exactly what CoH2 did, and somehow, putting additional commanders with literal in-game power advantages in the store for real money didn't get them crucified. CoH3 will have new Battlegroups with unique abilities and measurable power differences from the free ones.
I know why my money goes to Creative Assembly at the moment when it comes to strategy games. I don't mind many DLC when they add value and content to the game.
Challenges are bad, they aren't aligned to the actual game. They are actually detrimental to your team winning, and they don't carry over from match to match. Store is ass, no cool skins, and no way to earn a reasonable skin through gameplay. No preview before buying either, and predatory store.
Good. Old Relic is a long dead corpse right now. We need to wait for devs with passion not just greed and its not just about that update. Its more about "lets make game for everyone" attitude.
Thanks for the update. Loved the first part, but this looks more like a mobile game. Near camera to be able to touch everything, micro transactions,...
Bro how much did lelic pay you to make this video... the challenge are good... Build 5 concrete bunkers in 1 match, build 4 repair vehicles in one match list goes on and on of bad challenges. way to throw a match. love how you skip the balance changes they done since it only addressed 3 issues (pathfinders, carro and loiter) while not fixing the main issue with is blobbing. the balance is a complete mess currently. some people will watch this video and buy the game thinking its good and then finding out for themselves that its completely lackluster and only way to play is blob blob and more blob
so it will take "just" another 2-3 months until it gets to the state of "release". i mean they have 2 COHs made and should have the Experience and feedback from the community so that the game should be way more finished and made with more "love". i hope it will get better fast and the shop stays cosmetics only.
I've actually experienced more graphical bugs since the 1.1 update. And I don't think this gets commented on as much as it should, but how is this the 3rd installment in the franchise and the AI they programmed is so stupid. In 1v1, the AI sends its units along the edge of the map and gets more resources than you do
yeah the more i see on the game the more i unfortunately, even as a fan: feel like the series is dead. Im tired of supporting game devs releasing sub par broken games, only to update them slowly over time all while peddling mobile style micro transactions into the game, it feels dystopian and i hate it. Id rather play a single player game at that point, the onky game in recent memory that was able to do a complete 180 from microtransactions and survive was Lord of the Rings: Shadow of War. They were met with so much backlash they removed the microtransactions entirely.
Very poor effort…too many bugs, too money focused, save situation in skirmish is non existent, no rewards for winning skirmish as in coh2, too few maps available! Not going to continue playing until it improves …significantly….going back to coh2 as far more enjoyable!
I looked at the reviews when it came out and said. I'll leave this one to cook a bit longer before I jump in. Might pick it up in a patch or two down the road once the bug fix list isn't a mile long.
Relic shoulod release missing features of game before launching store - and there are many - a mean a lot. Are they really that stupid? What is the point of store if no-one plays the game.
the mods are gonna be the only thing that will make me play this over coh2 or coh1 , if they dont give the modders full access to the tools then im out , and the skins and store feel so slapped together last minute , the m4 sherman skins for example doesnt even affect the 76 gun upgrade with the turret just being default colors... cmon did nobody test this? lol
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If they have a "rarity" score its highly likely they will add loot boxes at some point.
God I fuckin hate video games these days.
This is modern gaming, if they have a opportunity they will pull nonsense like that.
Yup saw this shit coming since dawn of war 3
honestly im not sure
consumer push back on loot boxes has been so extreme at this point that basically no one does them anymore, besides mobile only
rarity is bizarre but id be SHOCKED to see old friend the boxes back
ive been wrong before tho....
I doubt so, lootboxes are gone, they're even banned in a few countries as inducing gambling. If anything they'd jump on the very profitable Season Pass model, but they don't need Lootboxes for rarity scores, they're just bs to price stuff more
I've come to hate challenge systems, let alone in 60 euro games. I work 9/5, I'd be paying premium for an incomplete feeling game that wants me to spend more money in an ingame shop and more time to pad their statistics when I just want to come home and relax/play at my own pace.
Of course it does not force me but it does try to coax me and I don't need a salesmen in my home
Yeah I feel you, video games are escapism, and sure they can have challenge, but as soon as they start to feel like real life chores and duties I'm out, I don't need to be reminded constantly of a clock ticking and needing to punch in the hours for menial tasks to get my paycheck, especially when it feels psychologically manipulative out of the box.
@@nathane5287 And the fact that you can't do the challenges with mods on, brilliant Relic maybe if your game with complete we wouldn't need mods to flesh it out but no you get punished for using mods.
Appreciate the update on the game a month after it's launch. "I don't want everything cool in the game locked behind a paywall, but I at least want to think the stuff on offer is cool and enticing." Unfortunately, what I've come to understand about in-game stores (based off my own limited experience in the game industry) is that there's no real incentive for the developers to make cool free/unlockable items when you can just incentivize players to pay money for them. The color palette swaps like camos are really not that difficult for a game artist to create and certainly shouldn't cost what Relic is charging for them. I'm at the point where I just don't think an in-game store should be present in any game that you pay up front for. I'd personally rather pay more money to purchase a game up front if that meant it would never have a store in it. The problem with that though is how do you trust that the developer won't just add one in post launch? I guess that would depend on how much said developer/publisher cares about their reputation as a company which unfortunately, many don't seem to do nowadays.
On the point of mods, what Relic should do is take a page out of Bethesda's playbook and actually encourage mod making. You look at an old game like Skyrim which still manages to turn a profit for Bethesda in large part because of the modding community. No need for an in-game store when people will still buy the game years after its initial release simply for the mods.
They do this shit because nobody releases complete games anymore. They charge you full price and tune it as time goes on. It’s annoying for the consumer, but it’s actually smart of the developers to do this. They get paid and the game gets patched more regularly as they monitor the data unlike the old days where you’d only get a patch when a dlc dropped
Yesterday i had a game on a desert 3v3 map, where my Anti Tank guns and even my tanks all shot into the ground instead of hitting the tank (if there was a hill it was definitely not that high, and it was a victory point). That was really frustrating because 7-10 shots didnt hit...
SAME!!!
They should made height of terrain be more visible It's great mechanic, but lacks support in their interface.
@@zbigniew2628 had nothing to do with terrain. AT shots fall short often. The first shot usually always misses. If you get unlucky you can miss 2-3 per gun
THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SO MUCH! i was in the campaign about 20 minutes ago, and my tanks would straight up shoot the ground or obstacles nearby if the enemy they were targeting had any elevation difference. i had to move my tanks into vulnerable positions to even get them to hit on target. and my god the path tracing is so bad im surprised they've let it fester this long. so many units lost due to the AI having zero braincells when it comes to traversing around the map
Majority of the units in CoH3 have pretty bad aim, the only ones having good accuracy being machineguns/autocannons.
It still takes 2 and a sneeze to kill light vehicles with an AT gun, yet the one thing preventing them so is how bad their aim is.
They gotta work on some unit's hit chances; although hopes are it's coming with the major balance patch down the line. This most recent major patch is still a balance pass aimed mostly at the most notorious balance breakers just so such things are on even ground compared to the other things in game before doing an entire balance rework.
Great job bringing this update videos, very useful to the users that don't have the game yet like me in order to know about the current state of coh 3, keep it up!!
thanks man :)
dark brown pioneer. yup, thats the definition of "meh"
POG!!!!
In my opinion, it is not ok to introduce a freaking in-game MTX shop only 1 month after release while they charge 60!!!$€ for this game.
It would have been ok after let's say 1-2 years but not one month while the game is in a terrible state.
For me Sega is milkings the sinking ship... CoH3 is designed like a Free2play game without the benefits!
Relic as we loved it is long dead and we all should accept that and move on, indies and smaller productions will save the RTS genre.
Indy developers are too intellectually limited to produce a proper RTS. I have yet to be proven wrong.
I had to chuckle when you asked if we were still playing COH3 because I'm waiting on PS5 release. Console doesn't offer a whole lot like it unfortunately.
I hate it when companies put microtransactions in games, especially ones we've already paid full money for. Why do we still put up with this?
Cosmetic only? I can´t believe people have cucked themselfs by accepting this especially for a full money realease game. I miss the days were stuff could be unlocked ingame but no nowadays everyhing is "fine" if it´s cosmetic only, bloody hell Sterdust was right.
I really couldnt get into the campaign of COH3 for much of the same reasons as you. I also only played a handful of online matches and found it to be quite empty and nothing like COH2, but mysteriously overnight COH2 just got a bunch of bugs and glitches and we were struggling to get matches to work right. Sync error codes, fatal script errors, just weird stuff I've never had to deal with before COH3...sus. 👀🤔
Maybe I'll open up 3 now that an update is out or wait another month or two to see what happens. 🤷♂️
The game should of had 1-2 years more development. Multiplayer at the moment is so unbalanced with the mighty Italian blob machine gunning everything in it path 😂
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This update just shows how dog shit the game is. They need to create challenges etc and not rely on the core game to keep people playing. Great to see vehicle pathfinding still sucks.
Meanwhile Beyond all reason is completely free and constantly updated with new maps coming out fairly often.
why do I not get currency when I play in a match? Only the stupid challenges give currency, but playing the game does not. that's so silly. I prefer Company 2's system. feels terrible to play a 45 minute match and get nothing.
Did you get a new Microphone?
no! better or worse? :P
COH 3 is doing the paradox meta make a bare bones game and improve it later xd
I wanted to buy this game , but just the fact that a store exists in a PAID game with those battlebonds instantly turns me off.
That YAYUHH absolutely destroyed me
If you want awesome WWII games, take a look at Steel Division I and II
Zade you should really take a look at the Age Of The Ring mod for BFME2, it's like the biggest middle earth mod out there and completely overhauls the base game with tons of new factions and crazy new units. It doesn't even feel like a mod sometimes, it's like an official game
You're like my favorite reviewer for RTS games and I'd love to see your take on it and to introduce it to new people. The final complete version of the mod released recently and it's a blast.
Looks really impressive! I've been thinking a little about going back into BFME2 sometime, so this could be a good avenue for that. Stay tuned!
There is almost no players in multiplayer most of the time.
" ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND ????
$10 FOR BLUE ?!?!?!?!
- Angry Joe
I played some multiplayer for COH and COH2. I bought the game, mostly for the campaign. I played the COH Campaign a few times, and really enjoyed it. Dawn of War 2, I played that competitively with their multiplayer. I mostly bought the games for the single player campaign. About 70% of the RTS audience may have bought a game for the campaign. One of the biggest turn offs for COH3 was the woke trailers. The woke warning they give prior to the North Africa Campaign, and how they frame the story, makes it uninteresting. COH1, what it did well, was gave a Saving Private Ryan/Band of Brothers story or experience. That is what sells the game. Given people like the game, they may stick around for the multiplayer. One of the reasons DOW3 failed was due to the developers trying to make something specifically for E-Sports. Given the focus was on E-Sports, and making money, more often then not, it means a lot of game quality will fall short. The focus was off. People with a passion for making a games, and passion for telling stories, they tend to make a good product. Someone just looking to make money, and showing up because it is a job.........They may have been out of touch.
Operation cash grab
I just want the campaign to be fixed.
The game's pretty much dead, at times COH2 has more people playing it and they're usually very close in player base which is a total joke.
The Store is really badly implemented, although does seem like Relic just "doing it for the sake of doing it because higher ups told them to."
Majority of the funds go to publisher first, then to higher ups on relic, then to the devs themselves. I'm more to believe it's Sega pushing for Relic to have the shop out for the game already more so than Relic themselves.
Overall, this game definitely needed time in the oven, but now that I think of it; that time would've honestly just killed the game from ever getting out. Why do I believe that? Well, keep in mind that CoH as a franchise isn't a flagship title for Sega but more so for Relic themselves.
If it's too costly to justify having a game for a franchise that Sega sees as not as popular as Total War, then why should they give the studio more funds for their project? They would most likely sell the IP or hire a new studio to do it instead who'd do it cheaper.
Also quite a coincidence that the Relic titles that didn't do well on launch were all Sega published. Like, even the most recent Relic title, AoE4, was well received and that was Microsoft published.
Way to kill such a awesome franchise relic....dawn of war 3 all over again
Nothing wrong with cosmetics. If it becomes pay to win then there’s an issue
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I really really hope they dont add more zoom out in coh3. If this happens, this is the nail in the coffin as a coh veteran. More zoom out doesnt fit to the gameplay. This is not age of empires. you are supposed to use tac map, minimap and many other indicators to watch ur units. Its intended from you to check ur 8 (maybe less or more) units.
Holy shit... The store, the challenges... IT'S HALO INFINITE ALL OVER AGAIN
modern gaming is a fucking hellhole. games worth your time and money are so few and far between its unfathomable. corruption and greed never fail to ruin everything
Get ready for company of heroes infinite
The prevailing motto of the software industry is: "The software gets shipped as soon as the updater works." - The games industry has extended this to: "The software is finished as soon as the shop is up and running".
Aren't we living in glorious times?
Back when we have to buy the physical spinner to play a game, they have to make sure the game is in good shape before release. But what happened in the past stay in the past
Hmm... Yeah no, weekly challenge to get merit just reminds me too much like those games with monthly battle pass, have to keep logging in every week just to complete challanges.
gotta keep that recurring login baby! i wish they added a little merit at the end of every game, having it just set at challenges is :||||||
@@Zade_95 Yeah the trouble is they want to up logins and login time which for me has had the complete opposite effect for me, in the time I am willing to spend on a game I usually can unlock the 30 merit one alone. I play a couple of games a week and that is about it, how do they not understand their playerbase tends to older and don't have hours and hours to devote to the game. Once I saw how the merit system works it was complete turn off, as it is an integral part of the game it turned me off that as well and up to then I was enjoying the game.
The shop was kind of the last nail in the coffin for me. At least for now.
The mod-support seem nice, but I somewhat doubt that it will get any major support from Relic. Especially since the shop seems to depend on cosmetics, and any good visual mods would under-cut their offers on the shop. 🤷♂
I'm probably gonna wait for a major price-drop.
Fair enough - Mod support is going to be a massive determining factor if this game lives in the long term imo
@@ryanvetter5852 Kinda hope they do out of spite, i want to see relic fail at this point. Its fucked up to see how far they've fallen
Wow dow 3 really did a number on Relic
Good.
"Our game hasn't been preforming well player wise and review wise, how do we improve this? I know, in game purchases for mediocre skins" the absolute state of gaming in current year.
It's like devs have forgotten how to make real time strategy games over the years. Dreadful.
Kind of just games in general these days, I have learned not to buy games on launch month 😂
@@manindisgiuze7780 amen.
I think men of war 2 will be the best rts in awhile.
@@MichaelWhittmann I don't know if you played the multiplayer beta but Men of War 2 seems pretty bad in my opinion.
@Manin Disgiuze Well see, I don't think it'll be as good as Assualt Squad 2 but I'm hoping it will be.
Maybe I'm old, but I last time I remember really enjoying an RTS was Deserts of Kharak. There's something about new RTS games that makes me unable to get into them. I tried CoH2, Spellforce 3 and Iron Harvest. Bounced off all of them before I even finished the campaign. Meanwhile I can go back to Red Alert 3, both SupComs Starcraft 1 and 2 and even oldies like Erath, recently I played Dark Reign for the first time and I loved the heck out of it.
This new CoH, from presentation to features, does not speak to me at all. And microtransactions on top of all that? Man...
have you tried steel division 2? i myself am an oldschool rts guy and i find sd2 to be extremely fun. its my 5th most played game on steam
@@sneakycactus8815 I did not, because Wargame wasn't really for me, but I heard SD2 is much more about direct combat, so it's in my "play it someday" backlog.
@@ThatDjinn well if you ever come across a good sale (that is if you dont already own the game), id say go for it. it is as you say, more about direct combat. no basebuilding of any sort short of some defences you can place on the map, on one specific multiplayer game mode. but the combat simulation is top notch and the ai isnt that bad. multiplayer always has 1-2 full 10v10 servers during peak US hours, with a handful of 4v4, 3v3, and so on servers. though, as you might expect with modern games these days, dlc's can get a little excessive. Eugen has been releasing more and more expensive low effort ones as of recent as well. so if you go deeper into the game, check out the most recommended dlc's and just get those. all is not required for fun as many are filled with copy pasted units.
@@sneakycactus8815 "no base building"
Stopped Reading. We are talking about RTS, here.
@@Barbarossa97 damn wtf. are you okay?
I'm not even sad how far Relic has fallen. I'm just disappointed.
Hopefully Blackbird Interactive will have a bright future.
still haven't bought it playing Coh1 from time cause its still the best game ever made
This is what optimism gets you, another Live Service
I'll stick to COH mods thank you.
Yeah, I'm sticking with COH1, I don't like COH2. It just doesnt feel as fun as COH1.
totally fair imo
I like how people still have this mentality that the funds from Microtransactions are going directly into the hands of developers. That will only happen if their studio is not beholden by Publisher. In reality, goes into the hand of their publisher first and everyone underneath the Publisher. Before the Dev team even get a percent of that money you paid. Which is why you see crazy as skins/DLCs end up showing up into games that doesn't make any sense for their setting. The publisher are the one that have a said in everything that get added into the game. So I won't be surprised if this game end up having anime skins.
Well said
I like how people still have this mentality that the funds from Microtransactions are going directly into the hands of developers.-
the same people will defend the store and in the same breath say dont blame the developers its not them its the publisher. like bro are you even listening to yourself
What, you aren't excited for the ahegao panzer battalions?
@Mortem Tyrannus Making the mother of all omlettes here Mortem, Can't freight over every egg!
@@mortemtyrannus8813 is ahegao sturmtiger available?
You dont need to turn into a mobile game to support your developpement.
Look at steel division 2, warno, broken arrow. They dont do any macrotranzactions, give out free dlc, have better graphics and more units and nations.
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I was there for DOW3
I enjoyed it, loved the story. Best one in all of the dows. But very annoying to play and unbalanced.
Typical gimping of modding tool so that players are forced to rely on paid DLC for new content. Fuck relic and fuck tuning packs. CoH1 and DoW1 remain the superior games.
Specifically, CoH1 and DoW:DC for vanilla game, and SS for mods. God-Emperor bless Unification.
That ingame shop is pathetic, but hey, at least the game will be on sale for 5-10 bucks within the next year.
silver lining pog
In a world where Supreme Commander and LOUD exists, why would you even bother with this shameless cash-grab? The greatest RTS ever made is playable today, for less than $10 and it has hundreds of mods, maps and a dedicated community still creating content for it.
I dunno man... I think I'll just stick to CoH 1 and the old DoW games. And Supreme Commander 2, yes I said it.
CoH2 is really good. And AoE4 doesnt look half bad.
If Relic is open to improving modability that's a huge step above them madly calling all modders cheaters back at the release of CoH2, which I remember & which then already prevented modders from bugfixing or adding new content. I want complete modability on singleplayer, which is completely doable separate from multiplayer modes.
High sus considering they will add more battle group if they continue working on the game.
I really hope we'll be able to use mods with campaign. Really makes the replayability of it go through the roof.
I am likely getting on console this fall. Loved 1&2 on PC. Hopefully the console version is decent. Usually only play private skirmishes and campaign. Thabks for the reviews
Every game, every single game that comes out, it's just always the same. Unfinished, restrictive, feature-poor shadows of better games of yore that use swanky graphics to distract from the undisguised prioritisation of naked profiteering over making something fun that might inspire someone. If Age of Empires 1 came out today, the Iron Age would be added in an update a month after launch, there'd be no scenario editor at all, the Babylon campaign would have a clip-art broken-record-facsimile Hammurabi to tell you over and over to deal with the Elamites... and three missions... and you'd have to pay eight quid to unlock the Hittites. Just stop it. Really, Relic? You? You, who brought us the original Homeworld(s) and Dawn of War? I'm sick of it.
I knew that the bullsh!t from CoH2 will be coming back. They should have just upgraded the old game and added new content to that.
Creative Assembly went a way better route with the Total War Warhammer trilogy. TWW3 had way more upgrades compares to TWW2 and almost all of the older content is still relevant and playable in the newest entry. I pay for quality content, graphics, art and design, animations, music, mechanics et cetera. However, I do not pay for pointless skins in a mediocre game. Just lazy af.
I restarted the Italian campaign about a week ago. I'm having more fun, but it really is just skirmishes with a mild progression system and a wonky strategy layer. The biggest annoyances are bad pathfinding and buggy line of sight right now. If they continue to work on the game and update it I'd be happy.
"Give an inch, they will take a mile!" - Mobile Game Hater
I hate it how they want to make every freaking game a "service" game. Not finished game release, rest will be free updates so they can say it is "Free" updates eventhou it should have been in from the start while they have an ingame shop of course.
So 1.1.1 “fixed” the ability to use tuning mods 2 days after 1.1.0 came out. Only because people where using cheat mod to get around the grind for challenges but they did not fix a bug a lot of players can’t even buy items with Merit.
An expiration time on the rewards? Completely inexcusable.
Why not just have the reward be auto-claimed? Someone went out of their way to add that for the sole reason of screwing over players who aren't paying attention, so they can make those players take longer to get cosmetic items and entise them to rather pay for them.
yeah just super weird to do imo. like who does it really benefit
@@Zade_95 it benefits execs whose metrics are recurring user engagement schedules.
Pathetic but expected , just a fken dmbed down mobile version of the second game 😂
Why have we normalized daily missions and premium and non premium currency why not just earn stuff through actuall gameplay like the coh2 system
I don't want to "earn" anything. I want fun and challenging gameplay. Modern gaming (and its gamers) are a scourge.
More of an operation "Cash Cow" instead
L I G H T W O O D L A M I N A T E
The store left me with a bad first impression. It felt like the game is asking for more money when the game is priced at $70 (without a sale). I greatly appreciate that CoH 3 is not pay to win. I appreciate that the developers are still patching and updating the game.
Absolutely disgusting. Microtransactions in an RTS, which looks like a cheap mobile game.
Dude your first vid players myself included bagged this title. Not for 60 bucks no freakin way sort of bs game to me buying shit they just asked for twice the amount for a typical sequel game. No way zade no freakin way my man. Coh3 is bogus straight up not for 60 dollars now they want me to buy chit. Cmon man, the mod limit too coh and coh 2 is my limit. Coh 3 is off the list enjoy it all u who dropped 60 bones lol damn ....60 bucks for this u gotta be delusional😢
The expiry system was meant to make people always play the game and thus might help finding new buyers when they see people are still playing.
Shot bro good to find a fellow kiwi doing this (ever) in chch i'll shout ya a beer :D
I guarantee you they are going to put Battlegroups in the shop because that's exactly what CoH2 did, and somehow, putting additional commanders with literal in-game power advantages in the store for real money didn't get them crucified. CoH3 will have new Battlegroups with unique abilities and measurable power differences from the free ones.
CoH 3 added 2 Battlefronts to the store. I think they will add more.
How soulless. Adding daily quests and an item shop with coins. Good God what a travesty.
I know why my money goes to Creative Assembly at the moment when it comes to strategy games. I don't mind many DLC when they add value and content to the game.
Challenges are bad, they aren't aligned to the actual game. They are actually detrimental to your team winning, and they don't carry over from match to match. Store is ass, no cool skins, and no way to earn a reasonable skin through gameplay. No preview before buying either, and predatory store.
Good. Old Relic is a long dead corpse right now. We need to wait for devs with passion not just greed and its not just about that update. Its more about "lets make game for everyone" attitude.
MAN, i paid 90$ For this game and youre ok with me paying more for cosmetics with a REALLY scummy way to earn currency.
NO WAY Man
Thanks for the update.
Loved the first part, but this looks more like a mobile game.
Near camera to be able to touch everything, micro transactions,...
Remember Dawn of war 3.
the game is pure trash.
Bro how much did lelic pay you to make this video...
the challenge are good... Build 5 concrete bunkers in 1 match, build 4 repair vehicles in one match list goes on and on of bad challenges. way to throw a match.
love how you skip the balance changes they done since it only addressed 3 issues (pathfinders, carro and loiter) while not fixing the main issue with is blobbing. the balance is a complete mess currently.
some people will watch this video and buy the game thinking its good and then finding out for themselves that its completely lackluster and only way to play is blob blob and more blob
lelic paid me MILLION dollar
so it will take "just" another 2-3 months until it gets to the state of "release".
i mean they have 2 COHs made and should have the Experience and feedback from the community so that the game should be way more finished and made with more "love".
i hope it will get better fast and the shop stays cosmetics only.
60 dollar game with free to play microtransactions. Idc how you paint it thats scummy af
I've actually experienced more graphical bugs since the 1.1 update. And I don't think this gets commented on as much as it should, but how is this the 3rd installment in the franchise and the AI they programmed is so stupid. In 1v1, the AI sends its units along the edge of the map and gets more resources than you do
I bought it, but i regret it. Wish i could get my money back. Game is going the wrong direction
serves you right, you trusted Relic
Seems like they didn't learn anything from DoW 3.
I can't wait for the next CoH3 video :D
😂 console review? :P
Same
they can shove their microtransaction where the sun don't shine.
Welp looks like after DoW3 Lelic has become real shell of Og Relic
LIGHT WOOD LAMINATE
LIGHT WOOD LAMINATE
LIGHT WOOD LAMINATE
Id be fine with cosmetics if i hadn't already payed $60
yeah the more i see on the game the more i unfortunately, even as a fan: feel like the series is dead. Im tired of supporting game devs releasing sub par broken games, only to update them slowly over time all while peddling mobile style micro transactions into the game, it feels dystopian and i hate it. Id rather play a single player game at that point, the onky game in recent memory that was able to do a complete 180 from microtransactions and survive was Lord of the Rings: Shadow of War. They were met with so much backlash they removed the microtransactions entirely.
That the campaign had no mod support is something that already fucked me up about CoH 2! - As long as they don't change this in CoH 3, I won't buy it!
Cant believe they've pulled another DOW 3 here with COH 3...................... Thanks for destroying two amazing franchises Relic !! nice one chief 👍
13:12 never bought it :)
still playing coh2
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I hope Microsoft or Embracer Group buy Relic Entertainment.
Seriously, Age of Empires 4 without microtransactions is going well. WTF, SEGA?
Yeaaaah this is a pretty big step backwards from coh2
Very poor effort…too many bugs, too money focused, save situation in skirmish is non existent, no rewards for winning skirmish as in coh2, too few maps available! Not going to continue playing until it improves …significantly….going back to coh2 as far more enjoyable!
I looked at the reviews when it came out and said. I'll leave this one to cook a bit longer before I jump in. Might pick it up in a patch or two down the road once the bug fix list isn't a mile long.
For me the scariest horror game was The forest, did jumpscare a few times in that game, good info about COH 3 thnx.
Relic shoulod release missing features of game before launching store - and there are many - a mean a lot. Are they really that stupid? What is the point of store if no-one plays the game.
Playing the devil's advocate yet again, eh Zade? 😮💨 Good luck with that.
Modern gaming ...
Since the update I can’t play it anymore. It just crashes on startup or immediately after I start looking for a match.
NZ$9 is a little over $5USD. That’s like fortnite pricing
the mods are gonna be the only thing that will make me play this over coh2 or coh1 , if they dont give the modders full access to the tools then im out , and the skins and store feel so slapped together last minute , the m4 sherman skins for example doesnt even affect the 76 gun upgrade with the turret just being default colors... cmon did nobody test this? lol