As much as I hated O’Brien in the first season. This moment was a turning point for her. She became less manipulative but just stayed blunt, always giving her opinion as it is. She even stayed clear of Thomas’ schemes from that point. Good character development
I don't quite get why she did it, though. Did she mean to cause a miscarriage? Or what was she expecting to happen? And how would it have improved her position at all? It was just revenge?
@@harringt100 It's because before this scene O'Brien had misinterpreted several conversations and wrongly believed that she was going to be fired. When she hid that bar of soap beside the bath it was a moment of spite - a really dark work-revenge move.
glamdolly20 hey I know he was mean but inside he really was a nice guy and he was only like that because he was gay and he had all these emotions but he was really sad and I know that doesn’t excuse his words but he is nice inside and he did deserve that but not all the hate he’s my fav character 😂
Think about. She told her the other half soap layed under the bathtube so cora would never believe O'brien did this by purpose! It was an "planed" accident
Yeah but her character is no better afterwards. You'd think she would try to redeem herself but just continued her manipulative antics right up until the actress left the show. O'Brien was the witch of Downton Abbey.
@GamerKat'71 Mary's character was such a cow sometimes but was so kind and caring towards Anna (and Bates) that I guess she doesn't count as a villain. Just a horrible sister.
@GamerKat'71 yeah it is a shame they didn't let her character turn for the better but it makes it more realistic that she didn't. Lots of people have every chance to change but don't take it due to their stubborness and pride. Also they did need a villain but could have easily introduced a new one.
NOW I remember why Thomas was so despised! As the seasons progressed, I began to really favour him and couldn't remember why everyone (characters and viewers) were hating on him so much. This jogged my memory.
ESC Lisa Germany yeah cause if it was a son, Lord Grantham would have had his heir and would inherit everything, money, lands, title and power above his sisters.
@@louisewestie989 Sure xD But I wonder how the romance with Matthew would have turned out. I think they would have ended up together. What do you think?
I couldn't look at O'Brian after she set this fall up to cause a miscarriage. Just because she thought wrongly that she was for the chop. Thomas' attitude to the loss of this wee baby is shocking too.
How so - shocking, I mean? It was clear that he was troubled and a bit nasty. But it wasn't so bad after all. He was a servant, not a family member - why should he mourn? His thoughts were actually kinda realistic.
Barb DeSouza in his defense, he’s told him as a human being is an abomination to his god. And if he’s found out he could be thrown in jail and lose everything. That doesn’t make his actions good it does however make him sympathetic.
Season 1 I hated him, but he lightens up as the season progresses, so there is character development. He was hurt and hurt people around him bc he assumed they'd treated him like trash anyways
It's the society of the time that was sickening. I'll give you one other sickening reality. A Lord becomes attracted to one of his maids. He tries to seduce her. The domestic has two choices: she accepts, or she's fired. Let's say she accepts. She gets pregnant. She gets thrown out of the house like the last of the harlots. So, yeah it is sad that some servants tried to exact some revenge on their masters, but don't blame me if I don't cry too much.
Xerxes2005 Why is it on these videos it’s always one of two things. People calling all nobles evil or saying all nobles were good. There is good and bad everywhere in anyone, high or low.
@@sebastianlodge7549 Well, the show does paint nobility in a favorable way. Then, people seem to believe that one always gets what he diserves. A poor man is poor because he's lazy. A rich man is rich because he "worked hard" for it. Therefore, a system they approve must be lead by good people. And a system they don't approve must be lead by evil people. People like simple explanations. Things are more complex, of course. People are formed by their upbringing. A noble can be a good man, but he will be moulded by his upbringing as a nobleman. He won't tyranize his subjects, but he will patronize them (look at Lord Grantham's reaction towards Daisy getting an education). He will be a good man, but even with his good intentions he will still perpetuate a bad system. He will defend that system that made him a privileged man honestly thinking it's for the people's better interest. Louis XVI was not an evil man, but the system he was upholding needed to be either reformed or toppled down. Since he could not reform it, the system was destroyed.
@@Xerxes2005 Actually the French Revolution was caused because Louis wanted to make the change Necker suggested to please the third stats but Marie Antoinette and his brother (le Comte d'Artois) are the one that convinced him not to do anything and fire Necker. Louis wanted the people to be happy to give them something. But the real problem that caused the revolution was when Louis XIV (Le roi soleil) asked for most noble to be at court. It was actually proven that the lands where the nobles stayed in their land. They didn't want to fight for the revolution and were happy both how things were going.
I know she did this out of revenge or jealousy, but I’m still struggle with this line of thought. “As my revenge I’m going to leave the soap on the floor, and if causes a miscarriage or broken hip, then that’s what you get” What if Cora has missed the soap when she got out of the tub, what if she slipped and bee fine?? It’s a pretty lame revenge.
I never understood why cora and Robert didn't keep the news a secret until Mary and Matthew were married. They knew their self centered daughter well enough to know she'd bail if she wasn't going to be a countess.
Patriarchy is Natural Thomas has morals, just different ones. He does what he has to do to survive in a society that oppresses him for being himself. If you watch him in later seasons you’ll observe how he actually has a lot of human kindness and soft gentleness in him, that he’s forced to hide to avoid getting hurt, or are you blind as well as ignorant?
Hélène Kuragina So Thomas unable to live his true self is reason for him to be an unsympathetic jerk towards both Cora and William?I was verbally bullied a lot from 3rd-10th grade which gave me a lot of issues I’m still dealing with now at 22.What I never did was take out my anger and pain on people who didn’t deserve.
If you were actually going to fire someone, you probably wouldn't ask them something how long her replacement would take to settle in. O'Brien was kind of dumb to assume she was being fired.
I think being allies with Thomas made her feel like everyone was against her. It must have been so hard knowing your job would never truly be secure, scarier knowing your options are limited. I think in those situations your mind works irrationally. The higher class were also very ignorant and at times selfish and so wouldn't truly know how to use empathy towards those who have lives that have been spent serving them.
I never liked her much, either, but I think she felt genuine remorse about what she did. I always wondered one thing-when she left to go work for the Flintshires, she left Cora a note. Was that a confession? I guess we'll never know, but I sure would like to.
O’Brien always thought the worst of everyone and was the most vindictive person in this series but when she caused this to happen I truly wanted to reach through the screen and give her a proper slap.. She deserved all the guilt and remorse afterwards and I really wished that she would have been found out because leopards don’t change their spots. .
I don’t think she meant to kill the baby i think she just meant to hurt Cora. Cora was only a few months pregnant and the fall might’ve not killed the baby at all depending on it.
parrotprodigy productions I know that . I didn’t phrase my comment right, i meant i think she just wanted Cora to slip and hurt herself like i dunno bruise her leg or something. I don’t think she put the soap there with the intention of killing the baby
parrotprodigy productions 😊thanks, you’re one of the good ones too. Only on a Downton abbey video would you get such a calm conversation about opposing views.
@parrotprodigy productions the comments section would rival the content, that's for sure! have loved Maggie Smith ever since she and Judi Densch terrorized the italian countryside in A Room with a View.
I know, Thomas referenced it to Mr. Bates later as "her lady ships soap" when he was trying to get fired, and so I had to watch this clip again to realize what he meant....
Hark at him, blimey if he carries on like this for an unborn baby of a woman who scarcely knows his name, no wonder he fell to pieces when his old mum snuffed it.
You know, although i think the abortion plotline was good, I´m so sceptic about how it happened. I mean, Cora was in an illuminated room, why didn´t she saw the soap on the floor? Who steps outside the tub without looking down? Specially in her state, I´d be extra careful.
That soap was hidden from her view as it was only just beside the bath. She probably only made a quick glance at the floor before getting out and would not have expected O'Brien to put her at risk anyway. She would have deeply trusted her own personal maid not to leave anything slippery on the floor.
This is why I can’t have any sympathy for barrow, no matter how much he suffers later on. I felt sorry for him once later in the series, but then he went back to being a slimy git to the same people who saved his ass and that was it for me; every bit of pain he feels, he deserves.
IKR Bates helps him get a good reference, not go to jail, and ultimately keeps his job, and Thomas turns right around and tries to make it look like Anna was out to get Miss Braithwaite.
parrotprodigy productions I don’t believe he deliberately meant bad for anyone. He just was carrying a big cross and had a lot of poorly placed aggression.
parrotprodigy productions I’m bisexual and a Christian and I’ve had to explain that to so many people it’s annoying. Like yes sexuality is fluid and can change but it’s not a choice. And one can’t decide who you love. And honestly it’s not hard to live and let live. Unless they’re hurting you why is it any of there business?
Because O'Brien was angry when she mistakenly believed Cora was going to replace her she took advantage of an opportunity to punish the Countess by strategically placing that bar of soap near the tub where she knows Lady Cora will step on it. It was a moment of spite.
Patriarchy is Natural he also was a gay man in a time where that was seen as a crime, he had a lot misplaced anger, or are you just gonna ignore his suffering you troll.
@@bymeerabrowngothicroyal I'm gay and was once closeted, although I'm grateful to live in a MUCH more accepting time than he did. But I mean you have to admit that at first Thomas was like one of the nastiest characters, to the extent that even I was against him. He was cruel, vindictive, manipulative, and just a plain asshole. I don't think his troubles justified that.
The soap thing seems a bit contrived. The soap fell down and Cora had to step on a tiny piece of slippery floor, lose her balance and fall. Could she not hang on to the edge of the tub? Could she not see the puddle on the floor and side step over it?
I know some think there would have been “no show” IF, the baby had had been born BUT I have to say …… there certainly would have; the writer of this magnificent masterpiece would have made it so. I would have loved to have seen Cora with her baby boy!!! I absolutely find the scene repulsive!!! And O’Brien wasn’t as remorseful as one would think…..
Back in the day when Thomas was vile. Tom Branson was way different back then too. He says nothing during the argument between Thomas and William when nowadays if he was within earshot of those words there'd be fisticuffs
@@andresuston7692 Miscarriages just don't happen like that - ask any qualified midwife. Baby is well cushioned with amniotic fluid inside the womb, and the womb is a strongly constructed, muscular structure. Pregnant ladies trip, slip, and fall all the time without inducing a miscarriage. In the early 20th Century when this drama was set, any accidental injury to a pregnant woman carried serious risk of harm, because medicine was in more primitive stages. So O'Brien's crime in trying to engineer a miscarriage in her employer was serious and carried real malice. I still say kicking a bar of soap and expecting it to a/ be slipped upon and b/ to specifically induce an abortion was far fetched plotting by Julian Fellowes! But we are of course talking about fiction here, and I accept there must be some poetic licence on the part of the writer, and some suspension of disbelief by we, the viewers!
@@glamdolly30 I didn't say ANYTHING about a miscarriage I said hurt the baby. You're in need of someone to listen to your long- drawn out monologues, but I'm not here for it.
@@andresuston7692 The clip we were talking about is specifically about a miscarriage, as was my original post which you responded to, you buffoon! Interesting that a man (with no medical qualification) claims to know more about miscarriages and wombs than an actual female. 'Mansplaining' female anatomy, to a female - Priceless! My response wasn't 'long drawn out' as you pathetically claim - it was just too intelligent for you to counter. A word of kindly advice Andre: don't launch into combat with people far above your intellectual ability, you'll only embarrass yourself. Though it's doubtful you'd be brave enough to try this nonsense in real life, without the anonymity of the internet to protect you. You are clearly as cowardly as you are deluded!
Cora wasnt young when she was carrying that baby.........mid forties or later perhaps......thats why she miscarried when she fell. A younger. fitter woman would probably not have lost the baby, but Cora may have miscarried anyway or the baby could have been born with Downs at her age. Then what would they do.........hide it away upstairs i suppose, even if it was a boy. Interesting storyline anyway, because O'Brian had second thoughts right at the last minute.
@@pamelaevm880 I never said it was ok for the maid to cause Cora to slip. Stop putting your spin on my words. What a stupid way to interpret my comment.
@@pamelaevm880 Pamela, Im unsure about the sisters ages but Sybyl the youngest one was only 16 or 17 when the series started so Im guessing Mary must have been around 24 and Edith somewhere in between. I hope someone else could give you more info.
With a miscarriage of a fetus at such an early stage, there's not much to show. Odious as Thomas is, he's right when he says they're not much bigger than a hamster.
Oh, come on!😄 Move the soap slightly to the side underneath her tub, was all it took to purposely make her loose her child. Sorry, but that's just hysterical. At least push her down the stair or something, to make it somehow believable.
Unpopular opinion, I'm quite happy that baby boy never was born, cause then Mary and Matthew maybe never would have married and all the good stuff that happend cause Matthew was the heir
Given Cora's age, I wouldn't be at all surprised. I don't think we know her age at this point, but given she thought she was entering menopause, she's probably somewhere within a few years of fifty.
I think he would've absolutely cried the same if it had been a girl. It sure makes things easier on his family and legacy if he did have a son. But he wouldn't have not cared. I just feel like after all we've seen of him, that would be completely out of character for him.
And that's when I lost all interest in Downton Abbey. It just kind of turned me off of the whole show, kind of like a jumping the shark moment. For me, at least!
When Bates says "I'm not embarrassed" so much was really said with that simple sentence
Thomas Dollard I agree I just want to hug both of them!
I'm sorry but I love how Carson just pats William on the back after he tried to beat the life out of Thomas. Everyone liked that
Carson had a soft spot for William.
When Robert turned around and said "it was a boy" and was I tears I just about lost it bawling.
As much as I hated O’Brien in the first season. This moment was a turning point for her. She became less manipulative but just stayed blunt, always giving her opinion as it is. She even stayed clear of Thomas’ schemes from that point. Good character development
Miss Alcoholic i just hated her in general....
I don't quite get why she did it, though. Did she mean to cause a miscarriage? Or what was she expecting to happen? And how would it have improved her position at all? It was just revenge?
Even if Miss O'Brien did had a change of heart,it's too late. Lord and Lady Grantham has lost a baby.
@@harringt100 It's because before this scene O'Brien had misinterpreted several conversations and wrongly believed that she was going to be fired. When she hid that bar of soap beside the bath it was a moment of spite - a really dark work-revenge move.
She literally murdered a baby.
Nice one William! I love how Branson intervenes, only when he sees Thomas getting the upper hand!
glamdolly20 hey I know he was mean but inside he really was a nice guy and he was only like that because he was gay and he had all these emotions but he was really sad and I know that doesn’t excuse his words but he is nice inside and he did deserve that but not all the hate he’s my fav character 😂
@@AC_RDR2_Q - I wouldn't say he was nice. He was complicated.
@@AC_RDR2_Q He wasn't nice. He wasn't evil, but he was definitely mean and ill-spirited.
@@jlammetje true but he changed
@@jpaxonreyes he became nice
I cannot believe O’Brien was never found out and punished for this.
Think about. She told her the other half soap layed under the bathtube so cora would never believe O'brien did this by purpose! It was an "planed" accident
I hate O’Brien but I think after this, she sort of hates herself too.
Yeah but her character is no better afterwards. You'd think she would try to redeem herself but just continued her manipulative antics right up until the actress left the show. O'Brien was the witch of Downton Abbey.
@GamerKat'71 Mary's character was such a cow sometimes but was so kind and caring towards Anna (and Bates) that I guess she doesn't count as a villain. Just a horrible sister.
@GamerKat'71 yeah it is a shame they didn't let her character turn for the better but it makes it more realistic that she didn't. Lots of people have every chance to change but don't take it due to their stubborness and pride. Also they did need a villain but could have easily introduced a new one.
It seems that she is burdened with quite a lot of self inflicted emotional torture. She did it to herself, so she deserved it.
NOW I remember why Thomas was so despised! As the seasons progressed, I began to really favour him and couldn't remember why everyone (characters and viewers) were hating on him so much. This jogged my memory.
Imagine how everything would have turned if the baby would've been born
ESC Lisa Germany there’d really be no show😂
I wonder what Mary would have done.
ESC Lisa Germany yeah cause if it was a son, Lord Grantham would have had his heir and would inherit everything, money, lands, title and power above his sisters.
Marquis de Hoto probably accepted the new baby if it was a girl and if it was a boy, she’d be jealous
@@louisewestie989 Sure xD But I wonder how the romance with Matthew would have turned out. I think they would have ended up together. What do you think?
I couldn't look at O'Brian after she set this fall up to cause a miscarriage. Just because she thought wrongly that she was for the chop. Thomas' attitude to the loss of this wee baby is shocking too.
How so - shocking, I mean? It was clear that he was troubled and a bit nasty. But it wasn't so bad after all. He was a servant, not a family member - why should he mourn? His thoughts were actually kinda realistic.
Thomas softens a bit as the show goes on but I'd forgotten just how shitty a person he was in those first couple of seasons.
The toxic Thomas. Underneath all that meanness was a very unhappy man.
He's my favorite character, but he was quite insufferable in Season 1
Barb DeSouza in his defense, he’s told him as a human being is an abomination to his god. And if he’s found out he could be thrown in jail and lose everything. That doesn’t make his actions good it does however make him sympathetic.
Thomas was complicated he wasn't toxic.
Ingrid Dubbel this is true.
Season 1 I hated him, but he lightens up as the season progresses, so there is character development. He was hurt and hurt people around him bc he assumed they'd treated him like trash anyways
For fk sake O'Brien all you had to do was ask!
Also notice how they only stopped the fight when Thomas started winning.....
Patriarchy is Natural hm, sure, Jan.
You do know it was written that way right?
O'Brien cursed her own self with this despicably evil deed.
Everybody was rooting for William in that fight lol
Oh yeah I know I love Carson’s pat on the back to him.
Gooooooo William!!! Thomas DESERVED that.
Thomas in those days was truly vile. I love his character arc over the seasons.
I love Thomas but also love when he gets deservedly punched in the face
Then some years later he knows he deserve how everyone despise him or think him to be heartless...
He does have a punchable face
🤔 I wonder, back then, how many Lords and Ladies were harmed by their servants over want of job security... A sickening reality.
It's the society of the time that was sickening. I'll give you one other sickening reality. A Lord becomes attracted to one of his maids. He tries to seduce her. The domestic has two choices: she accepts, or she's fired. Let's say she accepts. She gets pregnant. She gets thrown out of the house like the last of the harlots. So, yeah it is sad that some servants tried to exact some revenge on their masters, but don't blame me if I don't cry too much.
Xerxes2005
Why is it on these videos it’s always one of two things.
People calling all nobles evil or saying all nobles were good.
There is good and bad everywhere in anyone, high or low.
@@sebastianlodge7549 Well, the show does paint nobility in a favorable way. Then, people seem to believe that one always gets what he diserves. A poor man is poor because he's lazy. A rich man is rich because he "worked hard" for it. Therefore, a system they approve must be lead by good people. And a system they don't approve must be lead by evil people. People like simple explanations. Things are more complex, of course. People are formed by their upbringing. A noble can be a good man, but he will be moulded by his upbringing as a nobleman. He won't tyranize his subjects, but he will patronize them (look at Lord Grantham's reaction towards Daisy getting an education). He will be a good man, but even with his good intentions he will still perpetuate a bad system. He will defend that system that made him a privileged man honestly thinking it's for the people's better interest. Louis XVI was not an evil man, but the system he was upholding needed to be either reformed or toppled down. Since he could not reform it, the system was destroyed.
@@Xerxes2005 Actually the French Revolution was caused because Louis wanted to make the change Necker suggested to please the third stats but Marie Antoinette and his brother (le Comte d'Artois) are the one that convinced him not to do anything and fire Necker. Louis wanted the people to be happy to give them something.
But the real problem that caused the revolution was when Louis XIV (Le roi soleil) asked for most noble to be at court. It was actually proven that the lands where the nobles stayed in their land. They didn't want to fight for the revolution and were happy both how things were going.
@@Xerxes2005 I'll ALWAYS be on the side of the servants. Always!
I kinda like that everyone sort of let William beat the hell out of Thomas until he got hurt himself.
I know she did this out of revenge or jealousy, but I’m still struggle with this line of thought.
“As my revenge I’m going to leave the soap on the floor, and if causes a miscarriage or broken hip, then that’s what you get”
What if Cora has missed the soap when she got out of the tub, what if she slipped and bee fine??
It’s a pretty lame revenge.
I figure it was a moment of pure spite with little to no forethought. A petty spur-of-the-moment act.
It's not just that, but the punishment doesn't even fit the "crime.".it's like if you slapped someone and they hit you with a car
@@Vincisomething O'Brien thought they're replacing her with another Lady's Maid...when really Lady Cora was getting a new one for her mother-in-law
Funny part was how it worked. ..😲?
I just want to Hug Lord Crawley😭
Lord Grantham. Crawley is the family name, not the name of the Lordship.
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No one :...
Miss patmore : 😎
I never understood why cora and Robert didn't keep the news a secret until Mary and Matthew were married. They knew their self centered daughter well enough to know she'd bail if she wasn't going to be a countess.
That would have been a disgusting thing to do. To manipulate her like that.
Lesson learned: If you have nothing to say but awful better to keep quiet.
03:25 GO, WILLIAM! 👏👏👏👏
Nina GO THOMAS
@@bymeerabrowngothicroyal: Thomas was a coward and a hater...William was a man and had morals. GO WILLIAM!
Patriarchy is Natural Thomas has morals, just different ones. He does what he has to do to survive in a society that oppresses him for being himself. If you watch him in later seasons you’ll observe how he actually has a lot of human kindness and soft gentleness in him, that he’s forced to hide to avoid getting hurt, or are you blind as well as ignorant?
Hélène Kuragina So Thomas unable to live his true self is reason for him to be an unsympathetic jerk towards both Cora and William?I was verbally bullied a lot from 3rd-10th grade which gave me a lot of issues I’m still dealing with now at 22.What I never did was take out my anger and pain on people who didn’t deserve.
I feel bad for Thomas tho he is nice later
What a cruel thing to do.
O'Brien was the ultimate witch of Downton Abbey.
If you were actually going to fire someone, you probably wouldn't ask them something how long her replacement would take to settle in. O'Brien was kind of dumb to assume she was being fired.
I think being allies with Thomas made her feel like everyone was against her. It must have been so hard knowing your job would never truly be secure, scarier knowing your options are limited. I think in those situations your mind works irrationally.
The higher class were also very ignorant and at times selfish and so wouldn't truly know how to use empathy towards those who have lives that have been spent serving them.
always hated O'brien
I never liked her much, either, but I think she felt genuine remorse about what she did. I always wondered one thing-when she left to go work for the Flintshires, she left Cora a note. Was that a confession? I guess we'll never know, but I sure would like to.
@@nina1522 of course, not.
O’Brien always thought the worst of everyone and was the most vindictive person in this series but when she caused this to happen I truly wanted to reach through the screen and give her a proper slap.. She deserved all the guilt and remorse afterwards and I really wished that she would have been found out because leopards don’t change their spots. .
Oh how I miss this show.
2:47 Seriously Thomas?
Ikr
Diamondelle84 I love him but sometimes it would do him some good to shut up.
I forgot how much I hated him in season 1
What did he say? I didn't get that, English is not my first language. He wasn't saf for the baby? That's not so bad imo.
@@flav2689 He was saying what's the big deal about the baby dying, because it wasn't any bigger than a hamster when Cora lost it.
Thomas had it coming!
Think that's what Tom was saying in the background LOL
but why was it in O'brien interest for the baby never to live
I don’t think she meant to kill the baby i think she just meant to hurt Cora. Cora was only a few months pregnant and the fall might’ve not killed the baby at all depending on it.
parrotprodigy productions I know that . I didn’t phrase my comment right, i meant i think she just wanted Cora to slip and hurt herself like i dunno bruise her leg or something. I don’t think she put the soap there with the intention of killing the baby
parrotprodigy productions 😊thanks, you’re one of the good ones too. Only on a Downton abbey video would you get such a calm conversation about opposing views.
@parrotprodigy productions just imagine if the Dowager Duchess could post comments on these videos!
@parrotprodigy productions the comments section would rival the content, that's for sure! have loved Maggie Smith ever since she and Judi Densch terrorized the italian countryside in A Room with a View.
I've watched the scene before and I just caught on to what the maid did. This is horrible
I know, Thomas referenced it to Mr. Bates later as "her lady ships soap" when he was trying to get fired, and so I had to watch this clip again to realize what he meant....
What did Thomas say just before William attacked him?
Hark at him, blimey if he carries on like this for an unborn baby of a woman who scarcely knows his name, no wonder he fell to pieces when his old mum snuffed it.
You know, although i think the abortion plotline was good, I´m so sceptic about how it happened. I mean, Cora was in an illuminated room, why didn´t she saw the soap on the floor? Who steps outside the tub without looking down? Specially in her state, I´d be extra careful.
@JW McCabe you are right. It was a translation mistake from my part, because in my language both things are called the same
That soap was hidden from her view as it was only just beside the bath. She probably only made a quick glance at the floor before getting out and would not have expected O'Brien to put her at risk anyway. She would have deeply trusted her own personal maid not to leave anything slippery on the floor.
@@elamplough1 She knew she'd dropped two bars of soap, wet enough to cover the floor with soap scum. Should have put down a towel or something.
I don’t think it’s just that she stepped on the soap, the floor would have been wet and extra slippery as O’Brien kicked the soap along the floor.
This is why I can’t have any sympathy for barrow, no matter how much he suffers later on. I felt sorry for him once later in the series, but then he went back to being a slimy git to the same people who saved his ass and that was it for me; every bit of pain he feels, he deserves.
IKR Bates helps him get a good reference, not go to jail, and ultimately keeps his job, and Thomas turns right around and tries to make it look like Anna was out to get Miss Braithwaite.
I always felt that Barrow was being an ass to distract everyone from asking O’Brien questions. You can’t be sure but I always had that feeling.
If I was William, I would break Thomas's nose on the table.
I love Thomas Barrow but sometimes he needs to shut his trap. But if you hate Thomas because he’s canonically gay you may show yourself out.
parrotprodigy productions I strongly agree. And homophobia is homophobia. It sucks regardless of the time period.
parrotprodigy productions I don’t believe he deliberately meant bad for anyone. He just was carrying a big cross and had a lot of poorly placed aggression.
parrotprodigy productions I’m bisexual and a Christian and I’ve had to explain that to so many people it’s annoying. Like yes sexuality is fluid and can change but it’s not a choice. And one can’t decide who you love. And honestly it’s not hard to live and let live. Unless they’re hurting you why is it any of there business?
parrotprodigy productions there’s worse things in the world.
parrotprodigy productions it’s sad that people lack the ability to respect one another and can’t just keep it to themselves.
I normally NEVER condone violence, however I shall never criticize William for this
So O’Brien made the floor slippy which mad her slip and lost the baby?
Yes
Because O'Brien was angry when she mistakenly believed Cora was going to replace her she took advantage of an opportunity to punish the Countess by strategically placing that bar of soap near the tub where she knows Lady Cora will step on it. It was a moment of spite.
She actually thought getting fired was a reasonable excuse for murdering her employer’s unborn child.
In italiano x cortesia tutti i video. Grazie.
Is there a channel eg netflix where l can watch the whole series ? I love this show
It's on Amazon Prime
Oh Thoma, I like you, but you are an instigator, an habitual line-stepper.
Patriarchy is Natural he also was a gay man in a time where that was seen as a crime, he had a lot misplaced anger, or are you just gonna ignore his suffering you troll.
@@bymeerabrowngothicroyal I'm gay and was once closeted, although I'm grateful to live in a MUCH more accepting time than he did. But I mean you have to admit that at first Thomas was like one of the nastiest characters, to the extent that even I was against him. He was cruel, vindictive, manipulative, and just a plain asshole. I don't think his troubles justified that.
@@Isaiah.2003 Different people might react differently in the same situation though.
Besides, Thomas did some things as well.
O'Brien saved the whole family from losing Downton Abbey
You've got a point
Facts 😂
Why step out of tub and not even look for a rug to step on🤦♀️
William was such a good egg ):
The soap thing seems a bit contrived. The soap fell down and Cora had to step on a tiny piece of slippery floor, lose her balance and fall. Could she not hang on to the edge of the tub? Could she not see the puddle on the floor and side step over it?
Alot of the plot points were contrived lol
I know some think there would have been “no show” IF, the baby had had been born BUT I have to say …… there certainly would have; the writer of this magnificent masterpiece would have made it so. I would have loved to have seen Cora with her baby boy!!! I absolutely find the scene repulsive!!! And O’Brien wasn’t as remorseful as one would think…..
Back in the day when Thomas was vile. Tom Branson was way different back then too. He says nothing during the argument between Thomas and William when nowadays if he was within earshot of those words there'd be fisticuffs
We all have blood in our hands
Very far-fetched plotting that a servant could engineer a miscarriage like that, just by kicking a bar of soap!
Made perfect sense to me...woman slips on soap, woman falls and hurts herself, or hurts herself AND the baby. What's so far fetched?
@@andresuston7692 Miscarriages just don't happen like that - ask any qualified midwife. Baby is well cushioned with amniotic fluid inside the womb, and the womb is a strongly constructed, muscular structure. Pregnant ladies trip, slip, and fall all the time without inducing a miscarriage.
In the early 20th Century when this drama was set, any accidental injury to a pregnant woman carried serious risk of harm, because medicine was in more primitive stages. So O'Brien's crime in trying to engineer a miscarriage in her employer was serious and carried real malice.
I still say kicking a bar of soap and expecting it to a/ be slipped upon and b/ to specifically induce an abortion was far fetched plotting by Julian Fellowes! But we are of course talking about fiction here, and I accept there must be some poetic licence on the part of the writer, and some suspension of disbelief by we, the viewers!
@@glamdolly30 I didn't say ANYTHING about a miscarriage I said hurt the baby. You're in need of someone to listen to your long- drawn out monologues, but I'm not here for it.
@@glamdolly30 ...and some women DO trip and fall and suffer a miscarriage. Don't go making it sound like a womb is indestructible.
@@andresuston7692 The clip we were talking about is specifically about a miscarriage, as was my original post which you responded to, you buffoon!
Interesting that a man (with no medical qualification) claims to know more about miscarriages and wombs than an actual female. 'Mansplaining' female anatomy, to a female - Priceless!
My response wasn't 'long drawn out' as you pathetically claim - it was just too intelligent for you to counter.
A word of kindly advice Andre: don't launch into combat with people far above your intellectual ability, you'll only embarrass yourself. Though it's doubtful you'd be brave enough to try this nonsense in real life, without the anonymity of the internet to protect you. You are clearly as cowardly as you are deluded!
Whats with the thumbnail? No one is smiling, especially not those two.
It’s when she found out she was pregnant
That's a lie. Cora royalty period would not get out of tub by her self
Cora is not royalty
I would have got out the other side a way from.the window and wet floor
Omg I'm sad 😭😭😭😭
How did they know it was a boy? Was he just guessing?
At that stage you would see it was boy...tiny but starting to form
WHY.
I'm gay and I would have hurled so many homophobic slurs at Barrow his suicide attempt would have happened only two episodes later.
O'Brien bowl is coming
and O'Brien was never punished for this. Why is that so?
It was dumb to have her pregnant I think
She is evil Mrs O'Brien
ok
Cora wasnt young when she was carrying that baby.........mid forties or later perhaps......thats why she miscarried when she fell. A younger. fitter woman would probably not have lost the baby, but Cora may have miscarried anyway or the baby could have been born with Downs at her age. Then what would they do.........hide it away upstairs i suppose, even if it was a boy. Interesting storyline anyway, because O'Brian had second thoughts right at the last minute.
Oh then I guess it's fine the maid caused her to be hurt and lose baby! What a dumb thing to say!!
@@pamelaevm880 I never said it was ok for the maid to cause Cora to slip. Stop putting your spin on my words. What a stupid way to interpret my comment.
@@patsyhodge9071 I apologize that's how it sounded to me. Thank you for clearing that up
@@patsyhodge9071 I would still like to know how old the sisters are supposed to be I've only been seeing this show the past couple of months.
@@pamelaevm880 Pamela, Im unsure about the sisters ages but Sybyl the youngest one was only 16 or 17 when the series started so Im guessing Mary must have been around 24 and Edith somewhere in between. I hope someone else could give you more info.
And I thought the baby's death in Old was ill-portrayed. They showed nothing on-screen.
With a miscarriage of a fetus at such an early stage, there's not much to show. Odious as Thomas is, he's right when he says they're not much bigger than a hamster.
I hate O'Brien.
o'brien really was evil.
Oh, come on!😄 Move the soap slightly to the side underneath her tub, was all it took to purposely make her loose her child. Sorry, but that's just hysterical. At least push her down the stair or something, to make it somehow believable.
It’s not completely unbelievable lol she’s an older woman who’s pregnant. One slip could very well lead to a miscarriage
Unpopular opinion, I'm quite happy that baby boy never was born, cause then Mary and Matthew maybe never would have married and all the good stuff that happend cause Matthew was the heir
Your comment is sick.
@@Sunshine-zm1fx Some people are sick. Very sick.
Sunshine Not really, bc it's just a show. And she/he's right, Mary and Matthew would have lost it all. Not nice.
The show would be totally different tho.
My goodness if a fall like that caused a miscarriage it wasn’t the healthiest of pregnancies to begin with
Given Cora's age, I wouldn't be at all surprised. I don't think we know her age at this point, but given she thought she was entering menopause, she's probably somewhere within a few years of fifty.
I hate that Robert was all sad because it was a boy and wouldn’t have cared as much if it had been a girl.
I think he would've absolutely cried the same if it had been a girl. It sure makes things easier on his family and legacy if he did have a son. But he wouldn't have not cared. I just feel like after all we've seen of him, that would be completely out of character for him.
erem H. Castel yes i agree
Miss Obrien was an awful person. I never liked her. She should have confessed, or quit her position.
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Everyone told me how great this show was so I bought season 1 on DVD. As soon as she slipped i quit watching. Just more trash tv. That's pure evil. .
A show is meant to have drama. Or else it would be dull and uneventful
Sarah was horrible in my opinion
And that's when I lost all interest in Downton Abbey. It just kind of turned me off of the whole show, kind of like a jumping the shark moment. For me, at least!
Crying Scene That Is More Silly and so funny Fake Than Sad
...:)))
PS How did Thomas keep his job after some of these incidents ?
Because Fellowes wanted to keep him as the villain.. so he had to rescue him from getting fired for his nasty behaviour
How did Carson not tell Lord Grantham that Thomas should be let go ?
Carson could have sacked him directly, but didn't. I think Thomas had already announced he was joining the Army, as the war was spinning up.
Is this where they think Miss O'Brien is leaving ? So Miss O'Brien was responsible for the death of the baby...
O'Brien thought that Cora was trying to replace her. Cora was actually trying to help Violet find a new lady's maid, but O'Brien didn't know that.
O'Brien leaves layer to work for roses mother and father in India