I am glad you enjoyed it. If you know of any other good resources for information about Gays in history, please let me know. Have you seen the new film, The Imitation Game?
Very interesting lecture from an obviously amazing person. I'm currently studying Mannerist work as part of an art history course given at a Catholic College. Naturally, none of this is even mentioned in either lectures or the text. The closest comment to this reality is that certain painters of the day were "reputed" to be homosexual. Usually said so quickly as to avoid any discussion or illumination of interpretation at all. This isn't wrong, just fascinating to me.
Michael Fenton there is no 'natural' reason (or more importantly ethical or moral or theological reason ) why homosexuality would not be discussed in a Catholic college. 'homosexuality'( to put a modern limited label on a fluid concept) of some artists were well known. you are trying(anonymously) to attribute a prudery and censorship where none would exist at present. be specific.because if there is such a thing as you describe, it is specific to your teacher.
I agree. However, I am not about outing people or using names about something of a personal nature without first having a discussion with the subject. In this instance I had a brief conversation with the head of the art department and was given an explanation. The explanation was partially an academic policy and partially the judgement of the professor based on her assessment of the maturity of the students in her class. I may not agree with aspects of this, but i respect it. I'm not a tabloid journalist, just a person making an observation about an experience. I guess if I talked about another class I took, a geology class in a different school...a big east school...where a group of African American males refused to use either a calculator or computer for the class because "it's the white man's tool" I would really upset you. But, that also happened in my presence. For what specific reason, I don't know. But, there you go.
Thank you for this interesting inside look at realities of the time. That grotesque painting of Cosimo is a hoot. How in the world did Bronzino get away with it?
The term "homosexuality" is a scientific term based in Latin, which is the most commonplace language used in science for classification. (not to mention that the Romans were very free and fluid with their sexuality and used a common phrase for "hooking up" asking if a person preferred oysters or snails.) Homosexual means simply a person that is attracted to the same gender as themselves. I can't see how that could possibly be offensive unless you dislike western science. I have no problem being classified as a heterosexual, meaning that I prefer copulating with a gender unlike my own. It's just factual information.
Many thanks for the lecture. Bronzino is an unconventional painter. His paintings are a rarity in the history of art. The attention to little details and extreme realism, I should say naturalism, he was a total innovator . Few works but any of them has an inestimable value. Manierism is a unique and most original artistic movement.
Can you understand Bronzino's "Allegory of Venus and Time". If not you will need to know about behavioural psychiatry. ( the condition shown in the painting is called 'Dysfunctional Attachment'.
There is a painting entitled “An Allegory with Venus and Time “ but it is by Tiepolo, not Bronzino. Perhaps you are referring to Bronzino’s, “An Allegory with Venus and Cupid”...also sometimes called,”Venus,Cupid,Folly and Time”. It might be helpful if you explain what Dysfunctional Attachment is and how you see it manifested in the painting.
nicksum29 use of adjective LGBT indicate a dishonest narrow minded interpretation of whatever noun it describes. sexual categories, if any exist, are not static or limited, but are dynamic and fluid. to limit them to fixed number of labels is dishonest, bigoted, and tyrannical.
This is not a lewcture, this is a person reading, reading so fast she cannot take air and we cannot asimilate the concepts. For this, better to publish the text an we can read it. But reading so bad ,.no-
The whole thing,( or "hole" thing) is absurd. It's ridiculous to argue. As senseless as excluding those with an unusual musical preference or fashion. But interesting lecture. (Love Pontormos' works btw. Js. )
When studying Art History, I too enjoyed the heightened colors and emotions of his works ( not to mention the rebelliousness of the movement and what it brought in its wake).
@@petemavus2948 Yes! It's irritating. This lady is very well educated, this is an intricate subject and she's able to present facts with simplicity, which is a form of sophistication. Moreover, her Italian diction is on point, she pronounces everything right and also can pronounce double consonants correctly, which I find impressive (I'm Italian). She doesn't even need to tell me that she lives in Florence: of course she does! And yet, random internet dude above has something negative to say 😡
Bronzino did paint quite a few portraits of attractive young men. Several of them illustrated this illuminating lecture.
Bravo! Deep insights into literature, history, art, and power politics. Served with a delectable sense of humor.
Thank you so much. It is rare to hear an intelectual lecture that addresses sexuality in history. Far more rare homosexuality.
I am glad you enjoyed it. If you know of any other good resources for information about Gays in history, please let me know. Have
you seen the new film, The Imitation Game?
@@gregorymcdpachsa do you know the book The Queen’s Throat?
@@epluribusunum1460 no, tell me about it
Great Book 📖
Callas has widened my world 🌎
Very interesting lecture from an obviously amazing person. I'm currently studying Mannerist work as part of an art history course given at a Catholic College. Naturally, none of this is even mentioned in either lectures or the text. The closest comment to this reality is that certain painters of the day were "reputed" to be homosexual. Usually said so quickly as to avoid any discussion or illumination of interpretation at all. This isn't wrong, just fascinating to me.
Michael Fenton there is no 'natural' reason (or more importantly ethical or moral or theological reason ) why homosexuality would not be discussed in a Catholic college. 'homosexuality'( to put a modern limited label on a fluid concept) of some artists were well known. you are trying(anonymously) to attribute a prudery and censorship where none would exist at present. be specific.because if there is such a thing as you describe, it is specific to your teacher.
I agree. However, I am not about outing people or using names about something of a personal nature without first having a discussion with the subject. In this instance I had a brief conversation with the head of the art department and was given an explanation. The explanation was partially an academic policy and partially the judgement of the professor based on her assessment of the maturity of the students in her class. I may not agree with aspects of this, but i respect it. I'm not a tabloid journalist, just a person making an observation about an experience. I guess if I talked about another class I took, a geology class in a different school...a big east school...where a group of African American males refused to use either a calculator or computer for the class because "it's the white man's tool" I would really upset you. But, that also happened in my presence. For what specific reason, I don't know. But, there you go.
Thank you. It was very interesting. I saw that in recent years your lectures are not uploaded anymore? That is a shame. They are very interesting.
One of the very best lectures i have heard lately... thank you very much.
beautifully done, amazingly informative. Thank You!
The primer for Italian burlesque poetic terms with images is just EPIC. Thank you for your #work!
Well if this isn't the definitive ticket. Yes and PLEASE.
ravishing
Wow! What a fantastic lecture! How lovely to hear such a thought-provoking, well researched and beautifully delivered talk on LGBT history :)
The last fresco touched me on a deeper level than I was ready for
Sorry bro i fell asleep and this baby got stuck under my arm and started writing giberish, sorry for that
Latent appreciation maybe? ;)
Compelling and informative lecture. Thank you!
Thank you for this interesting inside look at realities of the time. That grotesque painting of Cosimo is a hoot. How in the world did Bronzino get away with it?
This is an amazing lecture on art and homosexuality. Is it possible to see the entire video. It cuts at minute 25:59 ? Thank you.
The term "homosexuality" is a scientific term based in Latin, which is the most commonplace language used in science for classification. (not to mention that the Romans were very free and fluid with their sexuality and used a common phrase for "hooking up" asking if a person preferred oysters or snails.) Homosexual means simply a person that is attracted to the same gender as themselves. I can't see how that could possibly be offensive unless you dislike western science. I have no problem being classified as a heterosexual, meaning that I prefer copulating with a gender unlike my own. It's just factual information.
"Homosexual means simply a person that is attracted to the same gender as themselves." That would be "homogenderal" wouldn't it?
On the question of snails, etc.... Which is which???
What a clear and rational explanation! Thank you.
A hidden historical treasure unearthed.
Excellent talk! Thank you
Thank you for your sharing ! So amazing ! .
2 roads diverged in yellow woods, and pondering one I took the other.....
And that made all the difference!!
lecture starts at 3:50
Just GREAT PORTRAITURES! Loving it ❤💯
@34:38. Is that a map your holding or are you just glad to see me...
Roflmao old joke with an artful twist
Many thanks for the lecture. Bronzino is an unconventional painter. His paintings are a rarity in the history of art. The attention to little details and extreme realism, I should say naturalism, he was a total innovator . Few works but any of them has an inestimable value. Manierism is a unique and most original artistic movement.
👏👏👏👏👏👏...... brilliant!!!
How many hours of prestige is necessary ?
Can you understand Bronzino's "Allegory of Venus and Time". If not you will need to know about behavioural psychiatry. ( the condition shown in the painting is called 'Dysfunctional Attachment'.
There is a painting entitled “An Allegory with Venus and Time “ but it is by Tiepolo, not Bronzino.
Perhaps you are referring to Bronzino’s, “An Allegory with Venus and Cupid”...also sometimes called,”Venus,Cupid,Folly and Time”.
It might be helpful if you explain what Dysfunctional Attachment is and how you see it manifested in the painting.
What is behavioural psychiatry? I know something of behavioural psychology.
I am referring to Bronzio "Allegory of Venus, Cupid and Time" National Gallery London.
Cosimo de'Medici- google translator burlesque translation-" cozy most midi chins".
Many thanks.
Brilliant
21:40 ....not Benedetto Varchi being attracted to an 11-YEAR-OLD BOY
i was so shocked too girl tf 😩
It appears that 33 puritans didn't enjoy the talk.
Make that 37 Puritans🤣😂
40 now
40 Puritans when shipwrecked found love 😘
So rare to hear honest expositions re. LGBTQ history. Thank you.
nicksum29 use of adjective LGBT indicate a dishonest narrow minded interpretation of whatever noun it describes. sexual categories, if any exist, are not static or limited, but are dynamic and fluid. to limit them to fixed number of labels is dishonest, bigoted, and tyrannical.
sitting nut Actually it is GLBTQ - and two of those letters have nothing to do with sexuality at all. Just some info for you...
@@nicksum29 your info is incomplete if you don't name the two jmo
Is that Latka Gravas's wife doing the introduction?
The prettiest boys you will will ever see...
In 2021, it's all people talk about.
Interesting.
This was really interesting, off the write some burlesque poetry. 😁
Volume too low!
See the little speaker shape at the bottom of the TH-cam image? See the one at the right bottom of your computer screen? Use them. The sound is fine.
@@emjayay Did that... volume way too low.
❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Bourne ultimatum
This is not a lewcture, this is a person reading, reading so fast she cannot take air and we cannot asimilate the concepts. For this, better to publish the text an we can read it. But reading so bad ,.no-
real scholars have it in their heads not on paper.
Projection.
The whole thing,( or "hole" thing) is absurd. It's ridiculous to argue. As senseless as excluding those with an unusual musical preference or fashion. But interesting lecture. (Love Pontormos' works btw. Js. )
When studying Art History, I too enjoyed the heightened colors and emotions of his works ( not to mention the rebelliousness of the movement and what it brought in its wake).
Three minute introduction which imparts no useful information.
😒
A woman lecturing on male subjects.
...and?
@@andreab7689 seems sexist and antisocial, I think most have had enough of that...
@@petemavus2948 Yes! It's irritating. This lady is very well educated, this is an intricate subject and she's able to present facts with simplicity, which is a form of sophistication. Moreover, her Italian diction is on point, she pronounces everything right and also can pronounce double consonants correctly, which I find impressive (I'm Italian). She doesn't even need to tell me that she lives in Florence: of course she does! And yet, random internet dude above has something negative to say 😡
@@andreab7689 Is her accent Florentine? Or is it her knowledge?
Esoteric and boring........not a polished presentation.....
That's how the Medici died out.
And? So what? Imagine going through life obsessed with your sexuality.... SMH