NOTHING better than having a second machine for reference or for copying parts. That's going to be pretty awesome if you get these little guys working again.
Man really said "im going to recreate an entire fully working ndustrial operation for historic preservation and demonstration purposes" I salute you Sir, your model railroad will be the best in the world
Might be worth getting on touch with Keith Rucker. He has a lot of donated steam books and it's possible he will have something that you will find useful.
Damn... I'm already watching Australians rebuild tanks, Englishmen rebuilding an Avro Lancaster and now I'm going to have to watch you rebuild rail locomotives. Thanks! As a matter of fact, I was wondering where you were going to get a steam shovel and 16 gravel cars.
I enjoy these videos. I restore antique motorcycles and when I look at what you are doing, it feels like I have it easy no matter how difficult it gets.
If you haven’t found a foundry yet, I highly recommend Kory Anderson and his Webster SD foundry. He built the 150 CASE and specializes in historic and steam casting.
Just a quick note for you about any scrap you may produce from either of these engines. I believe almost everything on these engines should be pre-WWII. That means it's classified as "low-emission" scrap. What that means is it was created before the atmoic age began. There is an industry for this kind of steel/cast. The reason being is that anything created post atomic bomb testing has a higher radiation signature. Some medical equipment is so sensitive to radiation that it matters what material goes into the making of the instruments. It's valuable enough that salvage operations for ships sunk that were built before the 40's became financially viable even with huge costs. My point is, before you scrap any parts or what have you, you should find out if you can find a dealer that requires this material and see if you can recoup some costs for your restoration. Every little bit helps. It could be the difference between a couple hundred for scrap and a thousand. Worth an hour or two of asking around in my book. Good luck, love the project, enjoying watching. Thanks for saving these, we need to preserve our heritage!
Didn't realize how bad a shape the Alaska locomotive was, till you showed it up close. If you do forgeing with a crucible and make molds I would dearly love to see such videos. It's a process I'd like to get into one day myself.
My son has built a full-size Hart Parr two cylinder Engine for a Hart parr tractor frame. The engine is about 6 tons. He used 3D printing of the sand mold for the crank case and cylinders and base. All the valve mechanisms were printed molds too. This would save you time in making wood molds and cores. Search Hart Parr first run.
The fact that you own these two dinkies makes you the luckiest man in the world to me, and in a way to make sure the that the original dinky doesn't get lonely by having a friend, I wish you luck with your project and I can't wait to see where this goes 🙂😊🚂
I don't ever leave negative feedback on anyone's videos, and I hardly ever leave any comments. I didn't comment on the music on one of your videos, but I will say that because you didn't use music on this video I have subscribed! Great video and looking forward to more.....
Love it! Best of luck with the left side rod. Lots of work ahead, but it’s great to hear and see you have a good handle on the projects! Porter Power 🚂💪
WOW - that 2nd unit is in great condition and it will make life SO much easier having it to copy the parts from. Already one of my fave you tube channels
After looking at the differences in counterweights on the wheels, and from the perspective of knowing little about steam locomotives but "more than the average bear" about physics, the difference may be related to the jobs assigned to the locomotives, and the expense of casting a wheel with more iron in it. Perhaps the idea is that wheels with lighter counterweights can be used on a loco which is going to mainly be used at low speeds for shunting and similar low-speed jobs, while larger counterweights are needed if the loco is intended for faster-speed operation, since that's more likely to produce vibrations from wheel imbalance?
interesting difference in the counterweights between the two! I would imagine that the larger conventional counterweights are the way they are because they don't run through the width of the wheel and instead are only cast onto the outside face of the wheel and need to occupy more surface area of the wheel to be a proper weight, unlike the smaller counterweights on the 2nd one which might possibly run through the width of the wheel and therefore don't have to be as large to equate the same mass. the volume of metal would still be similar, just occupying different volumes based on the casting used.
This is pretty exciting. #2 looks really good, depending on how the boiler inspection goes. Having patterns for all the missing parts is extremely helpful. The scope is reasonable, since the engines are in the size range of typical traction engines. I suspect that both pistons forward is an attempt to protect the piston rods by being inside the cylinders.
I've restored fire trucks and tractors... None were as bad as your loco #1. I wouldn't even have considered trying to put that one back together. You're a better man than me and I'm looking forward to seeing it done.
How very curious that engine no.2 appears to be fitted with a transverse double blast-pipe! In more than 60 years I have never heard of such a thing. Presumably it exhausted into a single chimney. Very strange, and possibly unique, unless anyone else knows different. I shall watch your progress with great interest.
Very cool, love these updates! Looking forward to seeing how the restoration goes, and especially looking forward to seeing them in operation! Will you be laying some track to run them around?
Interesting that the engines seem to use slide valves instead of piston valves. As these were from the earl 20th century, I thought they'd use the latter instead of the former -- especially as efficiency and ease of maintenance was a concern considering the work these engines did. Really cool restoration project!
That #2 is in very good shape. Either she was well taken care of and the smoke box cleaned out after every day, or she ran very little. I would be weary of the mud ring cleanouts welded to the front of the firebox... From the footage it looks like they should be removed and re-welded with a full penetration weld.
an englishman from bolton Fred didnah will be looking down on you wishing you all the luck in the world and watching every episode you make look fred up on youtube with his steam engines
You can't fix what you don't have. Great work on getting a second engine. I love the spoken history with the black and white footage. Looking forward to seeing the repairs. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for making these videos! I look forward to following your progress. It's neat to see the subtle differences between the two. Someone has probably asked, but I didn't see it in comments. . . do you have to do a full 1472 rebuild equivalent on the boilers or satify local boiler codes? When the time comes that you need journal lubricating pads for the axles, my company Pacific Journal Pad LLC makes them to size. I've made them for locmotives as large as CP 1309 all the way down to little 15" gauge locomotives.
There was a small loco manufacturer here in the UK called Manning Wardle that used counter weights similar to engine No2. Also the London North Western Railway used that style too on its low speed freight engines. I think with more precise counterweight of the regular style it just became the norm. as the filled in spoke style is rather hit or miss.
For the wheels, you said it at the beginning of the first video that they made different weights to haul different loads with the same engine so I’m gonna gas engine. One is a heavier locomotive can pull more due to the weights on the wheels engines like this that have more weight on the wheels can pull more versus the lighter weight wheels which would be better to go uphills
I agree. I came here to say that too. The gear is part of the locos history, and is of interest too. Did you get any of the other parts from when it was powered through the gear and not by steam?
Firstly, this project is amazing, and I'm absolutely going to keep following it as it develops! Secondly, will you be using a rust removal laser or another means of controlling corrosion? And finally, absolutely don't be afraid to upgrade metals and components if it doesn't impact the vehicle's looks! Driver safety and ease of maintenance will see the pair running well into the future, then again I'm really pleased that these two neglected locos will ride again so that part has already been fulfilled. Excellent videos, well produced and engaging to view!
Looks easy until you gotta comply with state specific boiler laws. I worked at a farm with an old boiler heater. Those laws can be a pain in the rear(had to remove it as repairing it was gonna be to costly & way to much time to restore to safety regulations).
Hi my name is Tom I am in Great Falls MT I am also working on a Davenport 30” gauge locomotive the one I am working on is probably a runner but the money is a little on the limited side but I am working on it now and will see where it goes hit me back if you are interested
Good luck on both restorations: looks like a ton of work involved on both locomotives. A bit surprised to hear that you’re prioritizing loco #1, as it seems to be in far worse condition than loco #2. How well you be repairing the damaged cylinder saddle casting on #1? (I’m assuming welding new metal onto the casting?). Sounds like you have extensive machine tools skills & a well - equipped shop. Looking forward to seeing both locomotives restored and running! 😊
Hey dude, make sure that the valve gear (inside in the locomotive) in your up-to-date self-fund Davenport's locomotive attached properly, Also does it will run with passenger cars when complete?
I assume you are negotiating to get the steam shovel from the same family that had "number 1"? There was a quick partial shot of it in the first video. I cannot recall if they have more than one shovel, but if only one I know a bit of it's history.
Fascinating little locos. The cylinders are about the same size as a small Bagnall (UK manufacturer), yet your Davenports contrive to look so much more .... 'butch'! Enquiry: Are those cylinder and steam chest castings 'handed' or reversible?
Fascinating videos, thanks for taking the time to share your project. Are the videos being recorded and released as you're doing the work, or have you already done the work and drip feeding the videos out over time? I'm just being impatient to see the progress unfold! But also appreciate how much work and time goes into this.
It was originally used at the Alaska-Treadwell mine (who actually took really good care of it) and then later it went to Funter Bay. I'll cover a lot of this history in a later video.
Could there have been lead counterweights that someone melted away? Way cool projects!!!! Well I know what channel I’ll be awaiting for new episodes / updates.
I'm no expert, just a foamer, but from what I can tell the wedge style counter weights on Davenport #2 are an earlier design. You see this a lot on locomotives from the 1850s - 60s. As opposed to the more "conventional" counter weights on Davenport #1 which appeared more recently (I want to say around the turn of the century, but like I said, foamer, not expert). My best guess for this design difference is the wedge style is easier to produce (just fill in the area between the spokes) but doesn't balance out the reciprocating mass of the rod assembly as well as the more conventional style. As you can imagine the smoother operation of the conventional style counter weights caused the wedge style to fall out of fashion leading to most steam locomotives we see today in preservation, which tend to be more on the modern side of things, having the counter weight style seen on #1.
I'm curious were these tank locomotives sold with separate tenders sometimes. I could have sworn I've seen one with a small tender before, maybe something the owners made?
Most of us would kill for one of those locomotives. The location and ownership of #1 has been on the internet for years, but #2 intrigues me. I see that is still has injectors, maybe not original, but they may be usable. I know that you don’t want location known, and I understand. Some people would steal, and others would bother you when you were trying to get the restoration done. It would be nice if you give us some general information on how many people you have to help you. I’m sure that you can get it done, IF you have the time and the money, lots of money.
So much seems to need replacing, that you have to wonder how much actual original stuff is left in the end. Especially for loc1. Almost feels like you might just manufacture a completely new one.
When they were in service they would swap wheels and boilers and cylinders freely, so was it ever actually "original". Generally the frames are considered "the locomotive" and the rest are consumable!
@KrisDouglas original, as in made by the original equipment manufacturer, with things like the original casts. At some point in time, the replacement parts were Davenport parts, keeping it original. Or at least that is how I would define it. At some point things start to look more like reproducing a Davenport, than restoring a Davenport. Both worthwhile, but also different.
It’s unfortunately contaminated since the first atomic bomb. The pre atomic steal that is prized is from sunken ships from before the first atomic blast.
@@joshuacampbell9990 the contamination occurs as a result of the forced air used in the refining while the metal is molten, so all that contaminated air ends up in the metal. this wont have that, even if it may be a hair less clean than sunken steel
looking forward to see your progress on these 2 locomotives? are you gonna be fallowing FRA ( federal railroad Federal Railroad Administration ) form 4 or you gonna be fallowing your local state and government rules on the boiler if your with in the USA?
NOTHING better than having a second machine for reference or for copying parts. That's going to be pretty awesome if you get these little guys working again.
Man really said "im going to recreate an entire fully working ndustrial operation for historic preservation and demonstration purposes"
I salute you Sir, your model railroad will be the best in the world
Might be worth getting on touch with Keith Rucker. He has a lot of donated steam books and it's possible he will have something that you will find useful.
That spare boiler is going to make some cool yard art lol
I was waiting for this episode. Nice to see the progress update.
I'm just thrilled that these wonderful old locos are being restored!
Damn... I'm already watching Australians rebuild tanks, Englishmen rebuilding an Avro Lancaster and now I'm going to have to watch you rebuild rail locomotives.
Thanks!
As a matter of fact, I was wondering where you were going to get a steam shovel and 16 gravel cars.
Planes, trains and tanks the holy trinity of industrial restorations!
WAIT THEIRS SOME GUYS REBUILDING A LANCASTER?
Search for neville wheeldon he is recording the 10 year restoration to flying condition of just Jane at east kirby airfield in uk
It was a wonderful idea to restore both, rather than using the second engine for spare parts.
I’m not going to lie, if it were me after getting locomotive 2 I’d probably turn loco 1 into yard art. But you’re my kind of guy who is determined!!
Congratulations on buying a second locomotive! Can’t wait to see the restoration of them over the next few years.
I enjoy these videos. I restore antique motorcycles and when I look at what you are doing, it feels like I have it easy no matter how difficult it gets.
Never thought i'd want to follow along on the restoration of a 1900s steam locomotive, but here i am. Excited for more updates
If you haven’t found a foundry yet, I highly recommend Kory Anderson and his Webster SD foundry. He built the 150 CASE and specializes in historic and steam casting.
Thanks for the suggestion, Kory does awesome work!
Can’t wait to see this thing chugging down a track
Just a quick note for you about any scrap you may produce from either of these engines. I believe almost everything on these engines should be pre-WWII. That means it's classified as "low-emission" scrap. What that means is it was created before the atmoic age began. There is an industry for this kind of steel/cast. The reason being is that anything created post atomic bomb testing has a higher radiation signature. Some medical equipment is so sensitive to radiation that it matters what material goes into the making of the instruments. It's valuable enough that salvage operations for ships sunk that were built before the 40's became financially viable even with huge costs.
My point is, before you scrap any parts or what have you, you should find out if you can find a dealer that requires this material and see if you can recoup some costs for your restoration. Every little bit helps. It could be the difference between a couple hundred for scrap and a thousand. Worth an hour or two of asking around in my book. Good luck, love the project, enjoying watching. Thanks for saving these, we need to preserve our heritage!
Good point!
Didn't realize how bad a shape the Alaska locomotive was, till you showed it up close. If you do forgeing with a crucible and make molds I would dearly love to see such videos. It's a process I'd like to get into one day myself.
I'll be showing every aspect of it!
I love them both and cannot wait to see the process! Really looking forward to First Steam!
My son has built a full-size Hart Parr two cylinder
Engine for a Hart parr tractor frame. The engine is about 6 tons. He used 3D printing of the sand mold for the crank case and cylinders and base. All the valve mechanisms were printed molds too. This would save you time in making wood molds and cores. Search Hart Parr first run.
The fact that you own these two dinkies makes you the luckiest man in the world to me, and in a way to make sure the that the original dinky doesn't get lonely by having a friend, I wish you luck with your project and I can't wait to see where this goes 🙂😊🚂
I don't ever leave negative feedback on anyone's videos, and I hardly ever leave any comments. I didn't comment on the music on one of your videos, but I will say that because you didn't use music on this video I have subscribed! Great video and looking forward to more.....
Exactly the same for me. except I complained.
Love it! Best of luck with the left side rod. Lots of work ahead, but it’s great to hear and see you have a good handle on the projects! Porter Power 🚂💪
WOW - that 2nd unit is in great condition and it will make life SO much easier having it to copy the parts from.
Already one of my fave you tube channels
Hi I'm looking forward to following the progress 2 locos is a big task , you sound like you're up to it.
I can’t believe how much this channel has grown over the past 3 videos!
After looking at the differences in counterweights on the wheels, and from the perspective of knowing little about steam locomotives but "more than the average bear" about physics, the difference may be related to the jobs assigned to the locomotives, and the expense of casting a wheel with more iron in it.
Perhaps the idea is that wheels with lighter counterweights can be used on a loco which is going to mainly be used at low speeds for shunting and similar low-speed jobs, while larger counterweights are needed if the loco is intended for faster-speed operation, since that's more likely to produce vibrations from wheel imbalance?
interesting difference in the counterweights between the two! I would imagine that the larger conventional counterweights are the way they are because they don't run through the width of the wheel and instead are only cast onto the outside face of the wheel and need to occupy more surface area of the wheel to be a proper weight, unlike the smaller counterweights on the 2nd one which might possibly run through the width of the wheel and therefore don't have to be as large to equate the same mass. the volume of metal would still be similar, just occupying different volumes based on the casting used.
Looking forward to the restorations. Thank you! Best of luck.
super excited, you guys are working some magic
This is pretty exciting.
#2 looks really good, depending on how the boiler inspection goes. Having patterns for all the missing parts is extremely helpful.
The scope is reasonable, since the engines are in the size range of typical traction engines.
I suspect that both pistons forward is an attempt to protect the piston rods by being inside the cylinders.
I've restored fire trucks and tractors... None were as bad as your loco #1. I wouldn't even have considered trying to put that one back together. You're a better man than me and I'm looking forward to seeing it done.
I can't wait to see the process of restoring these beauties!
Sir, you are my kind of crazy. If you develop a process to vet volunteers, I would totally come run wire wheel for hours and hours.
How very curious that engine no.2 appears to be fitted with a transverse double blast-pipe! In more than 60 years I have never heard of such a thing. Presumably it exhausted into a single chimney. Very strange, and possibly unique, unless anyone else knows different. I shall watch your progress with great interest.
Very cool, love these updates! Looking forward to seeing how the restoration goes, and especially looking forward to seeing them in operation! Will you be laying some track to run them around?
Interesting that the engines seem to use slide valves instead of piston valves. As these were from the earl 20th century, I thought they'd use the latter instead of the former -- especially as efficiency and ease of maintenance was a concern considering the work these engines did.
Really cool restoration project!
The original patterns are probably much older. And if it works, why "fix" it?
Starting to build steam on the project, and I am looking forward to seeing the next video .
cant wait to see this running sure it might take a year if lucky but it be cool to see it doing the work it used to
Looking forward on seeing next episodes
Can’t wait for your next episode!
This set of locomotives would combine nicely with The Wixom Lake steam shovel on a steam machinery show
Yes they would!
I suspect the counterweights are about the same effective weight. The half moon counterweights were probably seen as more modern.
Great stuff, I'm really looking forward to seeing how the whole project progresses.
This is awesome! Looking forward to years of very interesting content to come!
Great job!. Best regards from Barcelona
Man really cool! I can't wait for the next episode! Such awesome little locomotives. Very interesting to say the least.
That #2 is in very good shape. Either she was well taken care of and the smoke box cleaned out after every day, or she ran very little. I would be weary of the mud ring cleanouts welded to the front of the firebox... From the footage it looks like they should be removed and re-welded with a full penetration weld.
an englishman from bolton Fred didnah will be looking down on you wishing you all the luck in the world and watching every episode you make look fred up on youtube with his steam engines
That's a very nice thought! Fred's a legend.
Looking forward to the next 2 years of videos!
You can't fix what you don't have. Great work on getting a second engine. I love the spoken history with the black and white footage. Looking forward to seeing the repairs. Thanks for sharing.
Oh thank the lord! I thought the second loco would be used for spares!
Thanks for making these videos! I look forward to following your progress. It's neat to see the subtle differences between the two. Someone has probably asked, but I didn't see it in comments. . . do you have to do a full 1472 rebuild equivalent on the boilers or satify local boiler codes? When the time comes that you need journal lubricating pads for the axles, my company Pacific Journal Pad LLC makes them to size. I've made them for locmotives as large as CP 1309 all the way down to little 15" gauge locomotives.
Thanks for the offer! I'll be addressing the whole topic of regulatory jurisdiction and 1472 day inspections later in the series.
Amazing project. I appreciate the detailed explanation as the project moves forward. Thanks for taking the time to share this effort. Regards.
There was a small loco manufacturer here in the UK called Manning Wardle that used counter weights similar to engine No2. Also the London North Western Railway used that style too on its low speed freight engines. I think with more precise counterweight of the regular style it just became the norm. as the filled in spoke style is rather hit or miss.
Thanks for Restoring the Locomotives! Best Wishes! Great Video !
Great job! It’s even more exciting to see a second dinky is also going to get a new lease on life!
They were operated in pairs some needed a second…. Epic man math! 😂
Beautiful work
For the wheels, you said it at the beginning of the first video that they made different weights to haul different loads with the same engine so I’m gonna gas engine. One is a heavier locomotive can pull more due to the weights on the wheels engines like this that have more weight on the wheels can pull more versus the lighter weight wheels which would be better to go uphills
I would suggest not scrapping that gear. While it might not serve a purpose now it is still a huge part of the locomotive's past.
Don't worry, my scrap bin has never been emptied!
I agree. I came here to say that too. The gear is part of the locos history, and is of interest too.
Did you get any of the other parts from when it was powered through the gear and not by steam?
Hope you bring us along watch how the parts are being made
I certainly will!
The privilege of watching this project is that, in a small way, it is as if you owned them. ('You' meaning us). Thank you.
Absolutely!
Strasburg might have the size washout plugs and they make reproduction parts as well
Since they’re known as “dinkys” naming them such would be weird, what about rinky and slinky? For 1 and 2?
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Can’t wait to see these under steam!
Thing 1 and Thing 2 ?
Very excited to see these going! Will you be showing the building of all the missing parts
Absolutely!
Firstly, this project is amazing, and I'm absolutely going to keep following it as it develops! Secondly, will you be using a rust removal laser or another means of controlling corrosion? And finally, absolutely don't be afraid to upgrade metals and components if it doesn't impact the vehicle's looks! Driver safety and ease of maintenance will see the pair running well into the future, then again I'm really pleased that these two neglected locos will ride again so that part has already been fulfilled. Excellent videos, well produced and engaging to view!
I hope that during this process a set of scale drawings are made.
I'll take that into consideration, what scale were you hoping for?
@@Wreck2Restored Any scale can be resized to suit. I like to take plans and make 3D model with them. Small steam plans are hard to find.
Looks easy until you gotta comply with state specific boiler laws. I worked at a farm with an old boiler heater. Those laws can be a pain in the rear(had to remove it as repairing it was gonna be to costly & way to much time to restore to safety regulations).
6:06 Please keep the gear as part of it's history.
It'll be preserved!
Hi my name is Tom I am in Great Falls MT I am also working on a Davenport 30” gauge locomotive the one I am working on is probably a runner but the money is a little on the limited side but I am working on it now and will see where it goes hit me back if you are interested
Drop me an email Tom! Wreck2Restored@Gmail.com
You should make some vidos den
Im assuming the bigger counterweights are for pulling heavier loads?
Good luck on both restorations: looks like a ton of work involved on both locomotives. A bit surprised to hear that you’re prioritizing loco #1, as it seems to be in far worse condition than loco #2. How well you be repairing the damaged cylinder saddle casting on #1? (I’m assuming welding new metal onto the casting?).
Sounds like you have extensive machine tools skills & a well - equipped shop. Looking forward to seeing both locomotives restored and running! 😊
I'm excited for this channel - DOOOOO ITTT!!!! - you need to put road wheels on it so you can drive it on the hw!!!!
This looks amazing! I’m impatiently waiting to see more.
Hey dude, make sure that the valve gear (inside in the locomotive) in your up-to-date self-fund Davenport's locomotive attached properly, Also does it will run with passenger cars when complete?
I assume you are negotiating to get the steam shovel from the same family that had "number 1"? There was a quick partial shot of it in the first video. I cannot recall if they have more than one shovel, but if only one I know a bit of it's history.
Yipeeeee episode 3 …AAAAaAAAAAaaAaaaa
Enjoying this!
Fascinating little locos. The cylinders are about the same size as a small Bagnall (UK manufacturer), yet your Davenports contrive to look so much more .... 'butch'!
Enquiry: Are those cylinder and steam chest castings 'handed' or reversible?
The cylinder castings are identical so they're technically reversible.
This is great.
Wonder if you'll get finished with these before bird man builds the 'zuma.
Fascinating videos, thanks for taking the time to share your project.
Are the videos being recorded and released as you're doing the work, or have you already done the work and drip feeding the videos out over time? I'm just being impatient to see the progress unfold! But also appreciate how much work and time goes into this.
Work is ongoing.
Did they ever have brick arches?
Yes part three !!!!!
Would you happen to know what mine in Alaska engine 1came from? The 2 big ones i can think of is Ebner in Juneau or Kennicott over by McCarthy.
It was originally used at the Alaska-Treadwell mine (who actually took really good care of it) and then later it went to Funter Bay. I'll cover a lot of this history in a later video.
@Wreck2Restored cant wait, I live in Alaska and love to Map/explore these historic places.
I'm looking forward to the next episode! 🥰
Consider the purpose of the counterweights. Perhaps that engine was moving or purposed at high enough speeds to cause problems.
Hopefully the shovel you wind up using is a P&H!
Okay, get over yourself, you're just searching for excuses to buy another locomotive...
No, seriously, keep it up man!!!
Could there have been lead counterweights that someone melted away? Way cool projects!!!!
Well I know what channel I’ll be awaiting for new episodes / updates.
what are you going to do with the little locomotive after the restoration is complete?
If the counters were lightened, does"nt that suggest the pistons/rods were lightened?
I'm no expert, just a foamer, but from what I can tell the wedge style counter weights on Davenport #2 are an earlier design. You see this a lot on locomotives from the 1850s - 60s. As opposed to the more "conventional" counter weights on Davenport #1 which appeared more recently (I want to say around the turn of the century, but like I said, foamer, not expert). My best guess for this design difference is the wedge style is easier to produce (just fill in the area between the spokes) but doesn't balance out the reciprocating mass of the rod assembly as well as the more conventional style. As you can imagine the smoother operation of the conventional style counter weights caused the wedge style to fall out of fashion leading to most steam locomotives we see today in preservation, which tend to be more on the modern side of things, having the counter weight style seen on #1.
I'm curious were these tank locomotives sold with separate tenders sometimes. I could have sworn I've seen one with a small tender before, maybe something the owners made?
You could order a separate tender for your tank engine. I believe this may have been more common in the sugar cane industry.
Most of us would kill for one of those locomotives. The location and ownership of #1 has been on the internet for years, but #2 intrigues me. I see that is still has injectors, maybe not original, but they may be usable. I know that you don’t want location known, and I understand. Some people would steal, and others would bother you when you were trying to get the restoration done. It would be nice if you give us some general information on how many people you have to help you. I’m sure that you can get it done, IF you have the time and the money, lots of money.
I will be answering all those questions as the project moves along.
So much seems to need replacing, that you have to wonder how much actual original stuff is left in the end. Especially for loc1. Almost feels like you might just manufacture a completely new one.
When they were in service they would swap wheels and boilers and cylinders freely, so was it ever actually "original". Generally the frames are considered "the locomotive" and the rest are consumable!
@KrisDouglas original, as in made by the original equipment manufacturer, with things like the original casts. At some point in time, the replacement parts were Davenport parts, keeping it original. Or at least that is how I would define it.
At some point things start to look more like reproducing a Davenport, than restoring a Davenport. Both worthwhile, but also different.
Pre-atomic steel. Don't take any scrap you might produce to your typical scrap yard. This stuff is worth money.
It’s unfortunately contaminated since the first atomic bomb. The pre atomic steal that is prized is from sunken ships from before the first atomic blast.
@@joshuacampbell9990 the contamination occurs as a result of the forced air used in the refining while the metal is molten, so all that contaminated air ends up in the metal. this wont have that, even if it may be a hair less clean than sunken steel
You have me intrigued. I just finished watching a 5 year-long project of tally ho. I'm wondering if this is going to be a good replacement content.
Can you name that project please? Thanks in advance.
@matthiasgruber8399 Simpson Boat Co. is the TH-cam channel
@@newfiebhy7525 Boat Co.
Sampson Boat Co.
Are you gonna restore more locomotives with different wheel arrangements
We'll see what happens after these are done...
So, surprisingly this looks like something to follow... You have my attention. :)
GUP fans and train fans are often in the same place :)
CAPOOOO DESDE ARGENTINA TE APOYO
looking forward to see your progress on these 2 locomotives? are you gonna be fallowing FRA ( federal railroad Federal Railroad Administration ) form 4 or you gonna be fallowing your local state and government rules on the boiler if your with in the USA?
They will not be federally regulated. I'll cover all this in a later episode.
this second locomotive has a higher chance to be saved honestly