If this is what it takes to maintain a short and limited speed line, I can only imagine what it takes to maintain the thousands of rail miles of the big rail lines. ThxDave for another great edition.
Given how every time a train rolls over those rails it work hardens them even more? Yeah, tough to cut. Heavy to move. Welding is the easy part, but then comes the grinding.
Maintaining major railways is bankruptingly expensive. Its why passenger rail always loses money, you’d be paying an extra zero or teo on your ticket prices depending on distance to break even.
@@jimmydesouza4375 which is why trains don't exist, they're too expensive for practical usage. I'll ignore the freight and passenger trains that incessantly obstruct my path and the goods in my market. And that whole Amtrak system. While I'm ignoring that, I'll ignore that the sun and sky exist as well. Yes, maintenance is expensive, all maintenance is expensive - right until something fails due to a lack of maintenance, which is even more expensive. Railroads have been ignoring maintenance, save for failures for far too long in the US. Which is part of the reason we don't have high speed rails, unlike Asia and Europe. Showing again why the US is such a world leader - from behind, as usual. We also lead from behind in being the last to follow the germ theory of infection, to the point of some actually trying to argue against germ theory during the pandemic. Again. Argued and lost in the 1918 influenza pandemic as well. And the morons that insist that nuclear anything doesn't exist.
@@spvillano You really shouldn’t try to act condescending while not knowing what the word passenger means. As for the two almost relevant parts of your post. Amtrack is a massive govt funded loss maker that keeps recieving funding on the justification that it has unmeasurable social and economic benefits. As for frieght, this is the one area where rail van compete as the only thing which can move similar volumes (rivers and canals) is even more expensive. Even here however bankruptingly expensive still fits, its why so many rail freight corps have folded over the years, and its why they take the amtrack grants despite those being harmful to the actual running of the business.
Thank you for another great video Dave, you and the guys make rail replacements look easy! It is amazing how the defects in the rail grow like a cancer!
Once there's a defect, the irregularity will spread, as each wheel acts like a sledgehammer from hell when passing over the defect, causing it to grow and introduce more defects. Still, wouldn't mind getting a couple of feet of old rail, it'd make a good working surface for shaping metal. BTW, before they had the cut-off saws, my father told me how he and his crew cut rails. Cross the rails, rail to be cut on top, then hammer until it shears off. He still had one of the 23 pound hammers from his time on the railroad.
In my scrapping days, I learned that you could break a rail with a sharp blow from a 20# sledgehammer. I only had a 16# but if you took a chisel and a drilling hammer to create some stress points, It would break after 2-4 herculean blows.
Cut the rail head and yes you can break 132 pound rail with a sledge sometimes MrJoe. Thank you nice comment and for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Miles of our railways were closed after our famous Dr Beeching decided we did not need them in the 60's. I saw a newsreel of a gang taking out the track and was surprised they had just cut a nick in the rail head every yard or so, it showed a guy with a sledge hammer easily breaking them, so saving them a load of cutting gas for the torch.
@@ccrx6700 He devastated our railways Now we are paying the price with road congestion. Some lines and stations have reopened and more being planned but a lot of land was built on or like the main line behind my house made into a road.
Is truly amazing how a piece of rail can suddenly wind up with a defect like that. I've never seen one like that before and if you look quickly that black spot makes that end of the rail look like a cobra just ready to pounce and cause a derailment. Thank goodness for early detection
Thank you HugsBach for the nice comment. Great to hear you liked this one. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
First to say I'm not first saying I'm first to be first. There's a company out of Eagle River Wisconsin called Gard Specialists that have the best cutoff wheels made, give them a call. Great repair video, enjoyed it much. Thanks man!
Your presentation and explanation is exceptional. Class 1's employ there own MOW gangs for maintenance and replacement. They also own and operate their own geometry equipment. Testing is farmed out to Sperry Rail or another testing outfit. Rail grinding to LORAM or an equivalent company. It's more economical for short lines such as yours to farm this work out. However, they still need experts like you to diagnose defects and report them. It appears that that section of rail was rolled in 1925, if I read the date correctly.
Thanks for the really great comment Gary. One correction rail was 1975. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Enjoyable content, as always! I do a fair amount of metal cutting, maintaining fences on my Texas ranch. I have found that the extra money for diamond blades/wheels really pays off. Not sure what the worker was using to cut the rail, but looked like a "composite" blade, based on it's black color. The extra speed and number of cuts that you get from a diamond tipped blade pays off. Even better, the nasty "stink" of a composite wheel doesn't happen with a diamond tipped blade.
It is a composite wheel Jeff and sometimes they last decent and sometime they don't depends on who you get them from and also if they get wet, don't use them! Thanks for the heads up on the diamond, these are 14 inch wheels don't know if anyone makes them or not will have to do some research. Thank you Richard for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
I know that if you let the blade hit a rock they get a bad spot and the blade is done. Once the outer edge has a bad spot it will just get worse with use. Also I set my pant leg on fire and got a nasty burn on my shin. I try and make sure from now on that someone is standing by with some water just in case.
@@ccrx6700 yes they make diamond blades for 14" as well as 16" saws. They cost about $125 for a 14" metal cutting blade compared to a $13 14" Norton composite blade. I regularly use diamond blades for masonry but have not found them useful for ferrous metals, they are quite good with aluminum.
When I first looked at it, I thought it was a joint as the break was so straight :) It is incredible the amount of wear and tear those rails get. I think you folks have the same rail as the big commercial railroads. That must indicate that these types of defects happen on commercial tracks too. This is still that same rail in this series about transverse flaws and so I am getting quite the education about what they are and how they're found. Very interesting stuff - although a lot of labor goes into fixing them :) You folks are all hard-working professionals.
Yes the Class 1 RR;s test all the time and yes they use the same rail and have the same internal defect problems we do too Brian. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 thank you. I am one of those who usn't in the know about these things. I assume a lot of things about your work and your tools. I hope I am not bothering you with simplistic questions. I honestly don't know a lot of anything about railroading, but I am learning 😊
Either the blade glazed up from not moving enough, or your rail was laid too cold. The Trackstar drills have to be the best drills I've used in 18 years.
When we got our trackstar cut off saw it came with a hat. I wore that hat and everyone made fun of me for being a "track star" I had to quit wearing the hat :-) Thanks so much my friend for stopping by and checking out the video tonight.
@@ccrx6700 I met the Trackstar rep in Minneapolis about a year or two after we started using them, I asked him if I could get a hat. His reponse was "Do you actually use the drill? Or have you just watched?" Wasn't going to give me a hat unless I actually ran the tool, pretty decent guy.
Brings back times for me piloting the rail detectors then going to help my section crew or other crews change the rain. Overtime and late evenings for sure when we had some of the defects that were urgent. Great video as always Dave and have a nice rest of your day.(Steve)
Great video Dave! Looked like they've done that a time or two! Thanks for the real world view of a fracture, and what created it. Have a great weekend my friend. 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃💯👍🇺🇸
Thank you Richard.Standard size spike but we put a product called Sure Spike in the hole to stiffen up the spikes. Appreciate your taking the time to watch my friend.
Dave, did you ever consider asking Cleveland Cliffs Steelton for a tour of their rail mill ? As a customer, you may be able to get a tour...Best Regards and Thanks for another awesome video.
Been trying to get into steelton (Harrisburg) for some time now, have a friend who used to work there is trying to arrange that. I would love to tour that mill or Cleveland Cliffs Bruce. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
It's amazing track lasts as well as it does considering the weight and forces. That one guy with frontier is so good, he is just a body floating around.... Eventually I saw the camo pants 😂
No bigbeardog I have not, plan on doing a series of videos next year on rail and all about it, so please be patient with that. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
*I looked up depleted uranium rails but looks like they don't have those yet. Or maybe ever but I bet if they did those rails would never wear out. Anyway, great job on the fix. Still amazing.*
Never heard of it David, but now you can invent some new rail that will never wear out. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Great video Dave You made it look like we were there with you. I could imagine the smell from that cutting blade drifting over LOL. I was thinking you should ask to keep that short piece of rail and right at the end you said don't throw it in the dumpster, glad you got that for your collection.
that was neat seeing the flaw it could be black due to iron sulfide, when sulfuric acid has contact with steel, it turns it black in color. if sulfur is present in the process of creating the rail , it could be trapped in the flaw and corroded from the inside.
Detail fracture in the middle of a shell. Tampers will find them, but the idea is to find them prior to failure. Rails typically will develop multiples of this type of defect. A transverse fissure is usually centrally located and from a cooling crack.
You are right about that CRTinyDuffy. Sometimes the tamper will find them before the ultrasonic testers come in too. That's railroading. Thank you very much for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video. May you have a very good day my friend.
Yes sir Mike we are, got a job to do and it gets done. The good old American way. :-) Appreciate your paying us a visit and checking out the video today my friend.
Glad you enjoyed Wayne, I like to have 2 ties under a joint if possible, but it's not always possible specially with the large amount of rail creep we have here, we need many more anchors than we have. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
They certainly do Gerald with these heavy coal loads we run, rail never gets a break.... :-) Pun intended... Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Very good video Dave, Thanks! What was it like, how'd you feel when you broke your 1st of 7? Musta been significant! Fear & sad at first that you 'done it now', something wrong that would come outta your pay, and then very happy that a locomotive/hopper isn't going fall off?
Thank you al ro, glad you liked it. When you break a rail with a tamper it sounds like a shot gun going off, no mistaking it and then that sinking feeling in your stomach. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Aaaaaaa.....YES ! I remember this, GREAT VIDEO ! I don't see my original comment ... guess you started new ! 🤔might be I'm just gettin old ... beats the alternative🤔🤣🤣
First time this one was ever published Tom, I did a shorts video the other night maybe that what you referring to. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Very interesting video. I didn't understand why both the existing rail and the new rail were cut. I would have thought only the longest rail would have been cut so as to take advantage of the prepunched splice holes. As far as I know you don't use long welded rail.
It was because we wanted to do a weld in there and eliminate a joint. Welders cannot do a weld where there is the 3rd bolt hole Peter so we cut out a piece of the old rail so it could be welded. Hope that helps explain. Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Great shot of the TD. Can you tell us the weight of rail that you run on. I didn't get a good look at the web . Also do you know the gross tons per year?
We have almost all 132 pound rail with only a small scattering of 136 Thomas. Last year we ran about 5.6 million tons. The best we have ever done is a little over 6 million tons a year. That is coal, not gross tons. No one keeps track of gross tons here. You can figure 38 loaded cars at 286,000 pounds per car, plus 2 locos at 368,000 apiece to find our train weight. If you want to do some more math you could probably come close to gross tons per year. Very grateful my friend for your taking the time to visit with us and check out the broken rail video. That was 132 where the rail had broken.
Dave: I have heard that back in the day American steel was the best quality steel in the world. This is particularly true with American steel used in railroad track. More recently, with more and more Chinese steel working its way into the country, American steel was mixed with this Chinese steel and now we are having issues. American steel seems to be losing its quality.
We get all our rail from Steelton Pa. T R. It's located near Harrisburg. You are right, Chinese steel is junk. When they roll rail, part of the mixture is scrap metal, no telling what kind of steel or where it's made at is in that scrap metal. Thank you very much for taking the time to check out the video and may you have a very good day my friend.
Interesting in that we use the same type of drill but the instructions said to be sure and use coolant to keep the annular cutters from an early death. I noticed the crew doing your rail weren't using any. I wonder how long their cutter last.
They had a squirt bottle of water, we use a special cutting solution diluted with water 10 to 1 it works well, without it you cut life of bits by at least half Keith. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Anytime we can eliminate a joint is desirable Dustin. Jointed track is hard on hopper cars. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Rails in curves wear the most on the gage face of the rail head, in tangent track it is on top of the rail head Doug. I will certainly do a video on creep, I already have it started and am planning for a late fall to winter showing, so be patient on that but it will come eventually. Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Dave why grind the new rail, raise bars or weld an 8" triangle bead run off on the old rail to match the new rail. Geismar or Hillti blades with a Racine machine will cut through like a hot knife through butter, I went through many boot laces slotting rails!!
I've got a lot of videos like that on my home channel page Jim, check out the playlists to find what you would like to see. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
I do not know Dave but a new stick of rail at that time was around $1,000, roughly figure another 500 or so for labor for Frontier. Appreciate your taking the time to visitvwith us and check out the video my friend.
Small cracks on top of the rail can be slivers or nicks we've had both, nothing series came out of the ones we had. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Good question and they used a gas powered mechanical type of saw, very inefficient but better than a hand saw Robert! Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
I will do video on loading some day for you Steven. Here's one on dumping the cars in freezing weather. Thanks for stopping by and watching my friend. th-cam.com/video/zk0RZu-uyqk/w-d-xo.html
Thank you Jimmy very much for taking the time to tune in and watch the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend. Here is a link to a video that will explain all about why we use wood and never will use concrete ties: th-cam.com/video/UtyTTijswwg/w-d-xo.html
I'm not exactly for sure what that means Greg, but my limited knowledge says yes they do. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 that look of cast iron structure is what an excavator boom looks like when it fails. Constant loading and unloading of stress changes the metallurgy to failure. Work hardening.
About 4 foot to answer your question however we almost always just change the whole stick instead of having 2 joints so close together Jamie. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
No the top of the bar is below the rail head and below the flange of the wheel Charlie. All is well. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Hello there Mr. Dave. I hope your being safe. My question today for you is a two part question. The first part is how heavy are those rail cutting tools used to cut the rails in half when replacing a bad rail,and my second part of my question is how often do the Herzog Railgrinders come through your area?
I do not know the weight of a rail cutting saw James but it's probably about 10 pounds heavier than a comparable chain saw. We have never gotten the rail grinders in here. On the NS line near me they grind annually. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 thank you for your reply my friend and thank you for your answers to my questions. I'll most certainly check out the video. God bless you my friend,and keep safe out there.
@@ccrx6700 My good friend Dave. I hope you have the time to read this. I would like to share with you a couple of cherished memories from my child hood. I was 7 years old when I had my first train trip on Amtrak. My Grandfather brought me and my family to Orlando Florida so we could go to Disney World. I was more excited about being on that train the what I was going to see some stranger dance around in a Micky mouse out fit. It was the Amtrak auto train that left out of Lorton Virginia I had such a great time on that train the crew were all so very friendly how ever I was a bit afraid when I was walking through the gangway to the other car because it was my first time walking from car to car,and when I looked down at the floor moving in the diaphragm between the cars I was horrified. At my age I though I was gonna get eat'n up. So my grandfather carried me a cross to the other car. Other then that my trip was as enjoyable as I could have ever imagined. My other memories I want to share with you was when me and my Grandfather took the Amtrak out of Quantico Virginia to Washington D.C. the train pulled into Quantico and whooooweeeee that F-40PH was just a screening away. I fell instantly in love with that locomotive. Now I understand why they call them scammers. Once we arrived in D.C. we went to the Smithsonian Museum and man that place was just amazing. After a day at the museum we went back to the train station to catch the train back to Quantico. As we were waiting we were out on the platform,and Amtrak going to New York City pulled in. I was so amazed at seeing the electric locomotive I asked what kind it was and the engineer told me it was Amtrak's New AEM-7. I said to him WOW it's so cool looking and while I was in awe at looking at it my grandfather had a talk with the engineer,and before I knew it I was hoisted up and into the cab of that electric engine. I looked around in it and all the lights on the console and engineer station was light up like a Christmas tree. I felt like I was sitting in the cockpit of the space shuttle. When in reality I was sitting in the engineer's seat of that amazing engine. It was a time in my life I'll never forget,and to this very day in my HO scale train collection I owne both Amtrak F-40PH,and AEM-7. And every time I see them I'm brought back to those very special moments in my child hood that to this very day still means so very much to me. I shared these memories with you Dave because I consider you a very dear friend of mine. I may not have many friends but in you I have all the friends I'll ever need. Keep on keep'n on Good buddy,and stay safe. Why? Because that's railroading my Friend. :)
Dave, I don't know if this has come up before in another video, but I'll ask any how... What is the purpose of clamping the rail cutting saw to the rail? Also, what is that "clamp" called??
It keeps it in alignment, it'll cut faster if it isn't getting any drag from the sides, and stops any possible binding/grabbing of the blade /disk in the cut & possibly shattering/shredding the disk or launching/throwing the tool into the next county or at the guy/ operating it. Efficiency & safety. Sorry, no idea of its name.
Good question Jerry. That clamp is called a clamp and it holds the saw steady, it's really really hard to hold that saw steady free hand. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Dave, why aren't frogs and especially diamonds built up so the wheels ride on the rims for the short period of time they run through? I've seen some mainline videos where every car BANGS through the diamond and beats the HE.. out of the rail.
Diamonds are really tough on car wheels as you know Stephanie, frogs not as bad. I don't have an answer for your question on why they aren't built up tho, I have never heard of them doing so. sorry. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
That happens over the many years since this rail was put in, 1975. Starts to flow out also as rail head flattens James. Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
how long is the defect along the length of the large rail from the break back 2 feet? didn't this section just get inspected and scheduled for replacement?
Ultrasonic testers found the defect and we lolligagged around and didn't replace the rail when we should have.... sigh Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
If this is what it takes to maintain a short and limited speed line, I can only imagine what it takes to maintain the thousands of rail miles of the big rail lines.
ThxDave for another great edition.
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Given how every time a train rolls over those rails it work hardens them even more? Yeah, tough to cut. Heavy to move. Welding is the easy part, but then comes the grinding.
Maintaining major railways is bankruptingly expensive. Its why passenger rail always loses money, you’d be paying an extra zero or teo on your ticket prices depending on distance to break even.
@@jimmydesouza4375 which is why trains don't exist, they're too expensive for practical usage.
I'll ignore the freight and passenger trains that incessantly obstruct my path and the goods in my market.
And that whole Amtrak system.
While I'm ignoring that, I'll ignore that the sun and sky exist as well.
Yes, maintenance is expensive, all maintenance is expensive - right until something fails due to a lack of maintenance, which is even more expensive. Railroads have been ignoring maintenance, save for failures for far too long in the US. Which is part of the reason we don't have high speed rails, unlike Asia and Europe.
Showing again why the US is such a world leader - from behind, as usual. We also lead from behind in being the last to follow the germ theory of infection, to the point of some actually trying to argue against germ theory during the pandemic.
Again. Argued and lost in the 1918 influenza pandemic as well.
And the morons that insist that nuclear anything doesn't exist.
@@spvillano You really shouldn’t try to act condescending while not knowing what the word passenger means.
As for the two almost relevant parts of your post. Amtrack is a massive govt funded loss maker that keeps recieving funding on the justification that it has unmeasurable social and economic benefits. As for frieght, this is the one area where rail van compete as the only thing which can move similar volumes (rivers and canals) is even more expensive. Even here however bankruptingly expensive still fits, its why so many rail freight corps have folded over the years, and its why they take the amtrack grants despite those being harmful to the actual running of the business.
Learning the anatomy of a rail has been incredible. Rare to get to follow something so closely from start to finish.
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Arvo from a retired Rail worker in NSW Australia .......... worked on locomotives , diesel railcars and wagons ...... Really enjoy your videos ...
Glad you are enjoying them Terry. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
A good crew makes the job easy.give Freddie a pat on head .have a great day.thanks.
Your right about that Alan. Freddie is right here beside me,
every night he comes in and sits beside me at my computer.
Thank you for another great video Dave, you and the guys make rail replacements look easy! It is amazing how the defects in the rail grow like a cancer!
Your always welcome Raymond. Thank you so much for dropping
by and taking in tonight's home movie my friend.
Once there's a defect, the irregularity will spread, as each wheel acts like a sledgehammer from hell when passing over the defect, causing it to grow and introduce more defects.
Still, wouldn't mind getting a couple of feet of old rail, it'd make a good working surface for shaping metal.
BTW, before they had the cut-off saws, my father told me how he and his crew cut rails. Cross the rails, rail to be cut on top, then hammer until it shears off. He still had one of the 23 pound hammers from his time on the railroad.
@spvillano Thanks for share that and you are right bout how defect grows 👍😊
In my scrapping days, I learned that you could break a rail with a sharp blow from a 20# sledgehammer. I only had a 16# but if you took a chisel and a drilling hammer to create some stress points, It would break after 2-4 herculean blows.
Cut the rail head and yes you can break 132 pound rail with a sledge
sometimes MrJoe. Thank you nice comment and for taking the
time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Miles of our railways were closed after our famous Dr Beeching decided we did not need them in the 60's. I saw a newsreel of a gang taking out the track and was surprised they had just cut a nick in the rail head every yard or so, it showed a guy with a sledge hammer easily breaking them, so saving them a load of cutting gas for the torch.
@@cedarcam ive heard of him before 😭
@@ccrx6700 He devastated our railways Now we are paying the price with road congestion. Some lines and stations have reopened and more being planned but a lot of land was built on or like the main line behind my house made into a road.
@@cedarcam ive heard that 😭
Is truly amazing how a piece of rail can suddenly wind up with a defect like that. I've never seen one like that before and if you look quickly that black spot makes that end of the rail look like a cobra just ready to pounce and cause a derailment. Thank goodness for early detection
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That brought back memories watching the Steelton and Highspire Railroad change a rail . Interesting cool video Dave.
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Great repair great video thanks Dave thanks for the follow up video
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Good video Mr. Dave. They made that look easy, very professional. Stay safe my friend!
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Thanks for sharing all that information on the wear and tear of the rails !
You are quite welcome Aleu. So pleased that you enjoyed this one. We are very grateful my friend for your taking the time to visit with us and watch.
Good job Dave. Always something interesting.
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Nice to be able to see the contractor guys at work. Thanks
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Awesome.
A job well done.
Frontier doing quality stuff. 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed Bassotronics, yep Frontier is awesome. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Great video again Dave! Thus stuff is so interesting, I Iove it!
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Frontier came and knocked it out, thanks for coving the details of the break and the behind the scenes of getting it done...
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Wonderful as usual Dave! Educational, informative and useful for buffs to model railroading buffs
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The hidden danger ..good job you found it ..nice repair👍👍👍👍
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Such a neat process of changing out that rail. Thanks for sharing that one and explaining the causes and types of these defects.
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First to say I'm not first saying I'm first to be first. There's a company out of Eagle River Wisconsin called Gard Specialists that have the best cutoff wheels made, give them a call. Great repair video, enjoyed it much. Thanks man!
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Learned something new today. I had wondered what the VT on the rails ment. Thanks for sharing and have a great evening my friend.😊
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Great video Dave. They do good work!
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Your presentation and explanation is exceptional. Class 1's employ there own MOW gangs for maintenance and replacement. They also own and operate their own geometry equipment. Testing is farmed out to Sperry Rail or another testing outfit. Rail grinding to LORAM or an equivalent company. It's more economical for short lines such as yours to farm this work out. However, they still need experts like you to diagnose defects and report them. It appears that that section of rail was rolled in 1925, if I read the date correctly.
Thanks for the really great comment Gary. One correction rail was 1975. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Another piece of rail For your collection. A accident prevented. Great video.
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Hi I worked as ultljud technician and track welder on the railway over 40yrs fun to watch your movies I'm from sweden
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Enjoyable content, as always! I do a fair amount of metal cutting, maintaining fences on my Texas ranch. I have found that the extra money for diamond blades/wheels really pays off. Not sure what the worker was using to cut the rail, but looked like a "composite" blade, based on it's black color. The extra speed and number of cuts that you get from a diamond tipped blade pays off. Even better, the nasty "stink" of a composite wheel doesn't happen with a diamond tipped blade.
It is a composite wheel Jeff and sometimes they last decent and
sometime they don't depends on who you get them from and also
if they get wet, don't use them! Thanks for the heads up on the diamond, these are 14 inch wheels don't know if anyone makes
them or not will have to do some research. Thank you Richard for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
I know that if you let the blade hit a rock they get a bad spot and the blade is done. Once the outer edge has a bad spot it will just get worse with use. Also I set my pant leg on fire and got a nasty burn on my shin. I try and make sure from now on that someone is standing by with some water just in case.
@@ccrx6700 yes they make diamond blades for 14" as well as 16" saws. They cost about $125 for a 14" metal cutting blade compared to a $13 14" Norton composite blade. I regularly use diamond blades for masonry but have not found them useful for ferrous metals, they are quite good with aluminum.
Absolutely amazing what you find and the damage it can cause,excellent vid Dave thank you very much.
Thank you Lawrie for the very kind comment. Really appreciate
your paying us a visit and checking out the video my friend.
Great video, it's good to see how the railroads are built
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Nice job as ever Dave
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When I first looked at it, I thought it was a joint as the break was so straight :) It is incredible the amount of wear and tear those rails get. I think you folks have the same rail as the big commercial railroads. That must indicate that these types of defects happen on commercial tracks too. This is still that same rail in this series about transverse flaws and so I am getting quite the education about what they are and how they're found. Very interesting stuff - although a lot of labor goes into fixing them :) You folks are all hard-working professionals.
Yes the Class 1 RR;s test all the time and yes they use the same rail
and have the same internal defect problems we do too Brian. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 thank you. I am one of those who usn't in the know about these things. I assume a lot of things about your work and your tools. I hope I am not bothering you with simplistic questions. I honestly don't know a lot of anything about railroading, but I am learning 😊
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Super interesting. Thanks for sharing the insight with us all.
Thank you Keith for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Either the blade glazed up from not moving enough, or your rail was laid too cold.
The Trackstar drills have to be the best drills I've used in 18 years.
When we got our trackstar cut off saw it came with a hat. I wore that hat and everyone made fun of me for being a "track star" I had to
quit wearing the hat :-) Thanks so much my friend for stopping by
and checking out the video tonight.
@@ccrx6700
I met the Trackstar rep in Minneapolis about a year or two after we started using them, I asked him if I could get a hat.
His reponse was "Do you actually use the drill? Or have you just watched?"
Wasn't going to give me a hat unless I actually ran the tool, pretty decent guy.
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Brings back times for me piloting the rail detectors then going to help my section crew or other crews change the rain. Overtime and late evenings for sure when we had some of the defects that were urgent. Great video as always Dave and have a nice rest of your day.(Steve)
Thanks for the great comment Steve, glad you enjoyed. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 you are very welcome!
Great video and good job!
Really glad you like this one Leonard. Appreciate your stopping by
to take in tonight's presentation my friend.
Another skilled crane operator.
Brandon did a very good job for sure. Thanks for the kind words.
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VERY COOL..GREAT JOB..STAY WELL DAVE..
Thank you Ralph for the very nice comment and for taking the
time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
April 11 is my birthday. Great video love how you explained everything
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They are a gr8 help to the company CCRX that you work for, and it is good they know their stuff. Yes, I sometimes use shortcuts for words.
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This is so fascinating., thank you again
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Great video Dave! Looked like they've done that a time or two! Thanks for the real world view of a fracture, and what created it. Have a great weekend my friend.
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Thanks Dave 😊
You are welcome Frank. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
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Neat work Dave, that's a good team! Just wondered if standard spikes are used on the old ties or do they have slightly oversize ones?
I think in the past Dave has mentioned using something like spike goo that somehow holds them tight.
Thank you Richard.Standard size spike but we put a product called
Sure Spike in the hole to stiffen up the spikes. Appreciate your
taking the time to watch my friend.
Dave, did you ever consider asking Cleveland Cliffs Steelton for a tour of their rail mill ? As a customer, you may be able to get a tour...Best Regards and Thanks for another awesome video.
Been trying to get into steelton (Harrisburg) for some time now, have a friend who used to work there is trying to arrange that. I would love
to tour that mill or Cleveland Cliffs Bruce. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Always an enjoyable video Dave! Keep up the good work and see ya next time..
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Wow alot of work, better to be safe for the rail road workers and public great job as always guys hi Mr Dave
Thank you for the nice comment Barbara. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Dave u know , That's Rail roadin .👷🇺🇸
Thank you for the nice comment Alan. Really appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and may you have a very good day my friend.
It's amazing track lasts as well as it does considering the weight and forces. That one guy with frontier is so good, he is just a body floating around.... Eventually I saw the camo pants 😂
Thank you Matt for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Hello Dave. Have you ever done a video on the rail manufacturing? If you mentioned it I wasn't paying attention. 😅
No bigbeardog I have not, plan on doing a series of videos next year on rail and all about it, so please be patient with that. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
thank's for a great video keep them coming dave form dave.
Your welcome and glad you enjoyed David. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Great video ! Always interesting stuff!👌
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Thank you for sharing
Your quite welcome P61guy61. Thank you Richard for taking the
time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Looks like it's a good idea that you are replacing some of that rail Dave.
It certainly is good Morse. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
*I looked up depleted uranium rails but looks like they don't have those yet. Or maybe ever but I bet if they did those rails would never wear out. Anyway, great job on the fix. Still amazing.*
Depleted uranium is used in some of the rounds used in the A-10 Warthog. They will go right thru a tanks outer shell, then bounce around the interior.
@@robertheinkel6225 I know. I was an armor crewman on the M60 MBTs in the army.
Never heard of it David, but now you can invent some new rail
that will never wear out. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
Great video Dave You made it look like we were there with you. I could imagine the smell from that cutting blade drifting over LOL. I was thinking you should ask to keep that short piece of rail and right at the end you said don't throw it in the dumpster, glad you got that for your collection.
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awsome video dave , that 1 rail from illinois came from my state several years ago interesting .
Thank you David, glad you liked it. Appreciate your taking the time
to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
that was neat seeing the flaw it could be black due to iron sulfide, when sulfuric acid
has contact with steel, it turns it black in color. if sulfur is present in the process
of creating the rail , it could be trapped in the flaw and corroded from the inside.
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Thanks for this interesting video!
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Detail fracture in the middle of a shell. Tampers will find them, but the idea is to find them prior to failure. Rails typically will develop multiples of this type of defect. A transverse fissure is usually centrally located and from a cooling crack.
You are right about that CRTinyDuffy. Sometimes the tamper
will find them before the ultrasonic testers come in too. That's
railroading. Thank you very much for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video. May you have a very good day my friend.
Great Video !
Glad you enjoyed Richard. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
Getting it done 👍
Yes sir Mike we are, got a job to do and it gets done. The good old
American way. :-) Appreciate your paying us a visit and checking out the video today my friend.
I suppose that breakage during tamping is a lot better than cleaning up a derailment. Keep shaking the rails!
It certainly is. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
Nice job Dave .. interesting. wouldn't it be better if connections were made over top of a tie?
Glad you enjoyed Wayne, I like to have 2 ties under a joint if possible, but it's not always possible specially with the large amount of rail
creep we have here, we need many more anchors than we have. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Those rails really take a beating.
They certainly do Gerald with these heavy coal loads we run,
rail never gets a break.... :-) Pun intended... Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Great coverage as always, sir🚂🇨🇦🇺🇲
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Very good video Dave, Thanks! What was it like, how'd you feel when you broke your 1st of 7? Musta been significant!
Fear & sad at first that you 'done it now', something wrong that would come outta your pay, and then very happy that a locomotive/hopper isn't going fall off?
Thank you al ro, glad you liked it. When you break a rail with a tamper it sounds like a shot gun going off, no mistaking it and then that
sinking feeling in your stomach. Appreciate your taking the time
to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Aaaaaaa.....YES ! I remember this, GREAT VIDEO ! I don't see my original comment ... guess you started new ! 🤔might be I'm just gettin old ... beats the alternative🤔🤣🤣
First time this one was ever published Tom, I did a shorts video
the other night maybe that what you referring to. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Awesome!
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hello dave it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks friends randy
Good evening Randy. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
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Very interesting video. I didn't understand why both the existing rail and the new rail were cut. I would have thought only the longest rail would have been cut so as to take advantage of the prepunched splice holes. As far as I know you don't use long welded rail.
It was because we wanted to do a weld in there and eliminate
a joint. Welders cannot do a weld where there is the 3rd bolt hole Peter so we cut out a piece of the old rail so it could be welded.
Hope that helps explain. Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Great shot of the TD. Can you tell us the weight of rail that you run on. I didn't get a good look at the web . Also do you know the gross tons per year?
We have almost all 132 pound rail with only a small scattering of
136 Thomas. Last year we ran about 5.6 million tons. The best
we have ever done is a little over 6 million tons a year. That is
coal, not gross tons. No one keeps track of gross tons here.
You can figure 38 loaded cars at 286,000 pounds per car, plus
2 locos at 368,000 apiece to find our train weight. If you want to do
some more math you could probably come close to gross tons
per year. Very grateful my friend for your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the broken rail video. That was 132 where
the rail had broken.
Very cool to see
Glad you enjoyed James. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
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Good stuff.
Thank you for the nice comment Craig. Appreciate your paying us a visit and checking out the video today my friend.
Dave: I have heard that back in the day American steel was the best quality steel in the world. This is particularly true with American steel used in railroad track. More recently, with more and more Chinese steel working its way into the country, American steel was mixed with this Chinese steel and now we are having issues. American steel seems to be losing its quality.
We get all our rail from Steelton Pa. T R. It's located near Harrisburg. You are right, Chinese steel is junk. When they roll
rail, part of the mixture is scrap metal, no telling what kind of
steel or where it's made at is in that scrap metal. Thank you
very much for taking the time to check out the video and may
you have a very good day my friend.
Interesting in that we use the same type of drill but the instructions said to be sure and use coolant to keep the annular cutters from an early death. I noticed the crew doing your rail weren't using any. I wonder how long their cutter last.
They were putting some liquid on with a small water bottle.
They had a squirt bottle of water, we use a special cutting solution
diluted with water 10 to 1 it works well, without it you cut life of
bits by at least half Keith. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
Very interesting!
Glad you enjoyed. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video.
Yo- this is live action right here, 0:42
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What makes you decide that a joint should be welded vs. Just left as is with a joint bar?
Anytime we can eliminate a joint is desirable Dustin. Jointed track is
hard on hopper cars. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
Hey buddy I have a couple of questions to toss at ya. First, where do the rails take the most wear and also could you do a vid on rail creep?
Rails in curves wear the most on the gage face of the rail head, in
tangent track it is on top of the rail head Doug. I will certainly do
a video on creep, I already have it started and am planning for a
late fall to winter showing, so be patient on that but it will come
eventually. Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Dave why grind the new rail, raise bars or weld an 8" triangle bead run off on the old rail to match the new rail. Geismar or Hillti blades with a Racine machine will cut through like a hot knife through butter, I went through many boot laces slotting rails!!
Thanks for the suggestion Billy. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Let's see more labor and machines, and the such.
I've got a lot of videos like that on my home channel page Jim,
check out the playlists to find what you would like to see. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
What was cost of this repair? Thanks dave
I do not know Dave but a new stick of rail at that time was around $1,000, roughly figure another 500 or so for labor for Frontier. Appreciate your taking the time to visitvwith us and check out the video my friend.
Something happened just like this on Herrin Railroad in Herrin IL and there is small cracks on top of the rails
Small cracks on top of the rail can be slivers or nicks we've had both,
nothing series came out of the ones we had. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
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How were the rails cut before the portable cutting disk?
Good question and they used a gas powered mechanical type of
saw, very inefficient but better than a hand saw Robert! Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Sometime could you show the loading and unloading on one of your videos? Steven Sipes
I will do video on loading some day for you Steven. Here's one
on dumping the cars in freezing weather. Thanks for stopping
by and watching my friend.
th-cam.com/video/zk0RZu-uyqk/w-d-xo.html
Wow Top of the rail look like it was pretty good. Except where the defect was at
Top was in pretty decent shape MIke, good observation. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Hey Dave, how are you mate? Just wondering why you are still using wooden sleepers and not concrete sleepers?
Cheers Jimmy
Thank you Jimmy very much for taking the time to tune in and watch
the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend. Here is a link
to a video that will explain all about why we use wood and never will
use concrete ties:
th-cam.com/video/UtyTTijswwg/w-d-xo.html
Super interesting unreal the maintenance involved can’t imagine a classs 1 RR
Thank you NY and Atlantic for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Dave I watch most of your videos. I’m Richard
@NYandAtlantic it's impossible for me to remember everyone name Richard. I just go by the channel name YT provides me in the notification 😊👍
@NYandAtlantic it's impossible for me to remember everyone name Richard. I just go by the channel name YT provides me in the notification 😊👍
@@ccrx6700 all good buddy enjoy watching your channel lots of information
Did you try JB Weld?
Gorilla Glue and Duct Tape.....:-) Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Do rails become work hardened? That metal structure is strange. Thanks in advance.
I'm not exactly for sure what that means Greg, but my limited
knowledge says yes they do. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 that look of cast iron structure is what an excavator boom looks like when it fails. Constant loading and unloading of stress changes the metallurgy to failure. Work hardening.
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I've seen you do a lot of rail replacements. How short is the shortest splice until you decide to change out the entire stick?
About 4 foot to answer your question however we almost always
just change the whole stick instead of having 2 joints so close
together Jamie. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
Why is the joint bar inside the rail? It won't foul wheels running over it?
No the top of the bar is below the rail head and below the flange
of the wheel Charlie. All is well. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
how old was that rain year made ?
Rail was made in 1975 John. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
Hello there Mr. Dave. I hope your being safe. My question today for you is a two part question. The first part is how heavy are those rail cutting tools used to cut the rails in half when replacing a bad rail,and my second part of my question is how often do the Herzog Railgrinders come through your area?
I do not know the weight of a rail cutting saw James but it's
probably about 10 pounds heavier than a comparable chain saw.
We have never gotten the rail grinders in here. On the NS line near
me they grind annually. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 thank you for your reply my friend and thank you for your answers to my questions. I'll most certainly check out the video. God bless you my friend,and keep safe out there.
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@@ccrx6700 My good friend Dave. I hope you have the time to read this. I would like to share with you a couple of cherished memories from my child hood. I was 7 years old when I had my first train trip on Amtrak. My Grandfather brought me and my family to Orlando Florida so we could go to Disney World. I was more excited about being on that train the what I was going to see some stranger dance around in a Micky mouse out fit. It was the Amtrak auto train that left out of Lorton Virginia I had such a great time on that train the crew were all so very friendly how ever I was a bit afraid when I was walking through the gangway to the other car because it was my first time walking from car to car,and when I looked down at the floor moving in the diaphragm between the cars I was horrified. At my age I though I was gonna get eat'n up. So my grandfather carried me a cross to the other car. Other then that my trip was as enjoyable as I could have ever imagined. My other memories I want to share with you was when me and my Grandfather took the Amtrak out of Quantico Virginia to Washington D.C. the train pulled into Quantico and whooooweeeee that F-40PH was just a screening away. I fell instantly in love with that locomotive. Now I understand why they call them scammers. Once we arrived in D.C. we went to the Smithsonian Museum and man that place was just amazing. After a day at the museum we went back to the train station to catch the train back to Quantico. As we were waiting we were out on the platform,and Amtrak going to New York City pulled in. I was so amazed at seeing the electric locomotive I asked what kind it was and the engineer told me it was Amtrak's New AEM-7. I said to him WOW it's so cool looking and while I was in awe at looking at it my grandfather had a talk with the engineer,and before I knew it I was hoisted up and into the cab of that electric engine. I looked around in it and all the lights on the console and engineer station was light up like a Christmas tree. I felt like I was sitting in the cockpit of the space shuttle. When in reality I was sitting in the engineer's seat of that amazing engine. It was a time in my life I'll never forget,and to this very day in my HO scale train collection I owne both Amtrak F-40PH,and AEM-7. And every time I see them I'm brought back to those very special moments in my child hood that to this very day still means so very much to me. I shared these memories with you Dave because I consider you a very dear friend of mine. I may not have many friends but in you I have all the friends I'll ever need. Keep on keep'n on Good buddy,and stay safe. Why? Because that's railroading my Friend. :)
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Glad you enjoyed Valerie. Appreciate your taking the time to visit
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Dave, I don't know if this has come up before in another video, but I'll ask any how...
What is the purpose of clamping the rail cutting saw to the rail? Also, what is that "clamp" called??
It keeps it in alignment, it'll cut faster if it isn't getting any drag from the sides, and stops any possible binding/grabbing of the blade /disk in the cut & possibly shattering/shredding the disk or launching/throwing the tool into the next county or at the guy/ operating it. Efficiency & safety. Sorry, no idea of its name.
Good question Jerry. That clamp is called a clamp and it holds the
saw steady, it's really really hard to hold that saw steady free hand.
Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Dave,
Do you know that if in 1975 when this rail was made were the same cooling processes in place then as they are now?
Yes Jason they did have same although most mills now us VT instead of CC. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
whats the rail next to it look like now
It is still in really good shape so we didn't change it John.
Dave, why aren't frogs and especially diamonds built up so the wheels ride on the rims for the short period of time they run through? I've seen some mainline videos where every car BANGS through the diamond and beats the HE.. out of the rail.
Diamonds are really tough on car wheels as you know Stephanie, frogs not as bad. I don't have an answer for your question on why they aren't built up tho, I have never heard of them doing so. sorry. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
The rail at 3:40 top is very flat. The rail lost the average rounded crown.
That happens over the many years since this rail was put in, 1975.
Starts to flow out also as rail head flattens James. Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
how long is the defect along the length of the large rail from the break back 2 feet?
didn't this section just get inspected and scheduled for replacement?
Ultrasonic testers found the defect and we lolligagged around
and didn't replace the rail when we should have.... sigh Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 now that's a word I haven't heard in a long while... lolligagged. 🤣
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