Racing the Devil: Identifying Di Meola-Style Wrist Picking Motion

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  • Our latest update to the Pickslanting Primer is the ultimate guide to identifying your own picking technique ( troygrady.com/p... ). In this lesson, we take a look at one of the greatest: the famed wrist motion of Al Di Meola.

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  • @PEMAMETAL
    @PEMAMETAL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    10:12 you said "I have almost no pick slant at all". But Man, too me this looks like a very obvious upward pick slanting.Your pick is obviously going in the air in the downstrokes and trapped between string in the upstroke. Am I misunderstanding something here?

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Great question! Pickslant refers to the slanted orientation of the pick, not the angled direction of its motion. In Andy Wood’s example, the motion is angled, the pick is not. In previous lessons we have been sloppy in referrering them as kind of the same thing. So we now have a term for the motion (escape motion) and a term for the pick’s slant (Pickslanting) because they can vary somewhat independently.

    • @PEMAMETAL
      @PEMAMETAL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@troygrady Thanks for the answer Troy! You are awesome. So you can have a pick that is pickslanted but at the same time no scape motion and voce versa. I really thought of those things together.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      They vary somewhat independently. Just an example you’ve probably noticed that not all downward pickslanting players have the amount of pickslant. This is not a matter of personal preference. It’s because they’re using different arm positions, pick grips and joint motions, in other words, different techniques. Gypsy technique is not the same as Mike Stern’s technique even though they both are nominally “downward pickslanting”. So right away we know that the pickslant is one thing, with a particular purpose, and that it is separate from the picking motion and whatever is generating it.

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@troygrady Glad that you clarify that either pickslant can have either escape motion. I've mixed both escape motions across both pick slants forever, before your first video even, so I felt like a bit of a freak upon seeing your early videos...like I was doing things too out of the box.

    • @sat1241
      @sat1241 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troygrady Have you looked into Josh Meader's playing? I have never seen guiatr playing that efficient. Check this out:
      LINGUS || Cory Henry's Solo on Guitar

  • @shredgd5
    @shredgd5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    The amazing thing is that not only Troy can finely and precisely analyze the different picking motions of players, he’s also able to exactly replicate them with success! This is phenomenal because we all know how difficult it is to change however basic technique.

    • @scottsmith4145
      @scottsmith4145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very true! And Troy himself is a monster picker as is clearly seen in his videos. He seems to be able to not lock himself into any one technique and can add all these techniques to his tool box and use as needed.

    • @tonyflorez703
      @tonyflorez703 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True that !!

  • @ChickenatorJr
    @ChickenatorJr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Troy is a genius. As soon as a saw him dissect EJ's playing so accurately and could reproduce the
    exact technique of the master himself, I knew this channel was one to start paying attention to!

  • @Theweeze100
    @Theweeze100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I watched Al play live, In support of the Casino album, back in the late 70s, and it changed my “guitar” life forever.
    Funny enough on the same program was the band UK, featuring Allen Holdsworth. I really didn’t realize what I was seeing at the time. Feel very blessed to think back on that night now that I’m in my 60s.
    By the way your video is absolutely Superb, and I will pass it on to every player I know. Please continue to put out phenomenal content!

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I've had that experience of not realizing the future import of the band I was watching, when I saw Alice in Chains open for Extreme. I was just like, who are these dirty guys, and where is Nuno?

    • @Fastguitar
      @Fastguitar ปีที่แล้ว

      My friend s father in law owned a huge guitar store in Maryland. He asked me. Who would be cool to hire to play at store. In early 80s I said Al dimeola He hired him. Store was packed Al said I could sit in. It was. Awesome

  • @maneli
    @maneli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The amount to analytical thought put into explaining this 😍

    • @mandanglelow1442
      @mandanglelow1442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes but is it OVERLY analytical?
      I get it and I'm not trying to be an ass but at some point you just have to get to making music. Sometimes you can overthink things.

    • @sunnibird
      @sunnibird 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@mandanglelow1442 you’re missing the entire purpose of this video and site in general.

    • @maneli
      @maneli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mandanglelow1442 I hear you. It’s not for everyone but for us guitar nerds who love to have things broken down like this it gives us more clarity in understanding our own preferred way of picking. It’s channels like this that will have its niche and that’s honestly a good thing in standing out from others.

    • @mandanglelow1442
      @mandanglelow1442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maneli True. I was just thinking out loud. 👍😊🍺

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@mandanglelow1442 Yes there is such a thing as overly analytical for sure. The test is simple: do people get better at guitar from watching something? If they say they learned something, but they don't actually get any better, then it's overly analytical. If they say they learned something, and actually acquire an ability they didn't have previously, then it's not overly analytical, no matter how technical the presentation. TLDR it's the results that matter, and this is always uppermost in our minds as teachers.

  • @BigBlackBe4r
    @BigBlackBe4r 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just stumbled upon your channel a couple of days ago (an algo stumble). What you do is amazing !!! Once I got past the fact that you look like you should be floating around in the International Space Station instead of in a guitar technique video, I was HOOKED! Thank you so much for you amazing contribution to the guitar freaks as myself. Cheers

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you've got ISS connections, I'm all for it!

  • @random_an0n
    @random_an0n 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this channel is awesome it goes into detail on things other channels never even touch
    resting your arm and anchoring on the ball of your wrist joint really does help inc this 2 o clock thing,i was playing master of puppets tremolo picking part in the solo with my hand completely floating and my pick totally flat and was getting pissed i couldnt get it past the speed barrier regardless of how fast i tried,now im much faster
    cheers

  • @busterdouglas593
    @busterdouglas593 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Elegant Gypsy was my introduction to shred.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You are probably not alone!

    • @TheLexluthier
      @TheLexluthier 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Mine too. I remember Al explaining his picking technique in a magazine article decades ago. I used that info to get started with fast picking.

    • @ImminentMusicForce
      @ImminentMusicForce 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "Land of the Midnight Sun" was mine. (ignore what that implies about my age:)

    • @lukasgraesslin
      @lukasgraesslin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      not related but it's funny seeing your comment when I recently started playing dark souls.

  • @Galactu5
    @Galactu5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Been following you since the beginning. Love your work, and don't stop!

  • @BenEller
    @BenEller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anybody else constantly rewatch these videos??? Just me???

  • @MrNachoponcho
    @MrNachoponcho 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been studying Al’s and Andy’s playing for a bit now as I have a similar picking motion and have been in a bit of a rut with my playing. I’ve figured out that I may be focusing too much on having a pick angle and when I moved to more of a vertical approach like Andy these runs seem to be easier. Love the details you provide!

  • @RICCARDOREARDON
    @RICCARDOREARDON ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I ABSOLUTELY LOVE..TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY LOVE THIS VIDEO...
    UNCLE~MR.AL DI MEOLA WAS MY VERY FIRST GUITAR HERO..RIGHT ALONG AND SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH UNCLE~MR.MICHAEL SCHENKER....
    THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING THIS VIDEO...

  • @NotBenCoultry
    @NotBenCoultry หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was the "pinky heel" rest that finally unlocked this achievement for me.

  • @enriquemendez1507
    @enriquemendez1507 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent insight and visual examples of the ideas discussed. Subbed 😁

  • @JeffIndigo
    @JeffIndigo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I tend to play like eddie with the three finger pinch concept when I sit down, but I notice I do more zakk wylde when I stand. Its crazy, and I'm glad you mentioned, AUTOPILOT. Thanks troy. Another great video.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm a big fan of the EVH middle-finger / three-finger grip style of wrist motion, and it's one of the motions we cover in this series. It's not actually that different from what Al does in overall concept, it's just performed from a different arm position - hence the different grip needed to reach the strings.

  • @guyguitary
    @guyguitary 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Awesome! You should also do an episode on John McLaughlin.

  • @tobiash04
    @tobiash04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hey troy, i just wanna thank you for all the free resources you put online! your research has helped me develop so much, without you id still be playing nirvana songs. i would buy your courses but im a student so i try and make up by recommending you to others when i can! thanks troy, youre great

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching our stuff! Always happy to hear our stuff may be helpful.

  • @janmariposquefamily
    @janmariposquefamily ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Troy. Fantastic as always! Because of your videos it helped me shape my picking technique. When i found out about Andy Wood, i focused on learning his picking technique. For low E to G i seem to grasp the idea. However, im having trouble moving from the G string to the B and E strings. Everytime I move from G to B, i tend instinctly shift my pickslant to almost vertical.

  • @omarstacc8590
    @omarstacc8590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing job,man ... salute you from Argentina, vamoooh Troy!

  • @PEMAMETAL
    @PEMAMETAL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One thing that seems very obvious to me in that 2 o clock motion is that the 3 fingers not holding the pick always go in the air in the downstrokes, while downward pickslanters those 3 fingers are hitting and scratching the body of the guitar (or the pick guard) if they are folded.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This isn’t a requirement - the position of the fingers is somewhat secondary. You can curl them so they don’t hit the guitar in either case. It’s really just the direction the wrist is moving that you’re controlling.

  • @radinkhandan3209
    @radinkhandan3209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I’m putting pictures of all the guitar heroes who inspired me to play on my wall , Randy Rhoads , Paul Gilbert , James Hetfield , David Gilmour .... and there is also a picture of you . Thank you for all the things you’ve done

  • @gogpoydi
    @gogpoydi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks to your videos my picking has improved drastically

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always glad to hear it!

  • @EarthAltar
    @EarthAltar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I've tried to explain the relationship between odd/even numbers of notes per string and the importance of starting with an upstroke or downstroke to students and other players only to get a look from them like I'm speaking some ancient Martian dialect.

    • @Roman8883
      @Roman8883 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ancient Martian dialect?

    • @mysterybotts
      @mysterybotts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Roman8883 yeah ancient Martian dialect. Old language from Mars.

    • @Roman8883
      @Roman8883 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mysterybotts yeah yeah sure bud thanks

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      For sure. The hard part is figuring out how to get through to people. In the sequence of lessons this video comes from, we've included some hands-on tests that someone can do, and sort of sidestep the issue of "knowing" what their motion is. You play certain phrases, and look at whether the motion gets bouncy or stays fast and smooth. A similar hands-on approach like that might work better for students. However, the tests should probably still be administered by a teacher such as yourself, since you'll be better equipped to evaluate the results, i.e. so the student doesn't really have to.

    • @EarthAltar
      @EarthAltar 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troygrady Thanks, Troy! You're doing God's work.

  • @AlexVonCrank
    @AlexVonCrank 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    He’s back!!! Good to see ya boss👍🏽

  • @rhythmtreble7311
    @rhythmtreble7311 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was just watching your vid on yngwies dedicated pickslant, the di meola licks i know work well, about to play along to a song and saw this. small world man.

  • @KellyDeanAllenGuitar
    @KellyDeanAllenGuitar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I put together a full tutorial for Race With The Devil on a Spanish Highway if you'd like to check it out. th-cam.com/video/MCastVqTjkI/w-d-xo.html

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice work on that. Your right hand technique is pretty cool - you're not alternate picking the fast lines, but actually using pulloffs and upstroke sweeping at various points. Didn't watch the whole thing, so I'm not sure if you address that or not. If you get a chance to film yourself in a "down the strings" perspective, you can get a better view of what's going on, would be interesting to take a look at.

    • @KellyDeanAllenGuitar
      @KellyDeanAllenGuitar 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troygrady hey Troy! I'm one of those fortunate souls whereas my right hand just does what it does. I rarely give it a second thought. Still love your dedication to right hand mastery. It's important to say the least.
      I know that I state numerous times within this tutorial that everything is alternate picked, and then I proceed to not alternate pick, haha. My right hand is just doing what it does best for any given situation automatically. At speeds like this piece has, I can't concentrate too heavily on picking technique. I just go and it works itself out.
      I've been called out a few times in the comments to this tutorial, for claiming everything is alternate picking and then not doing it. Oops! Like I said, right hand is just automatic on my part.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I completely understand, and again I think your technique is interesting. I mention in this video on Al that most people are on "autopilot" when they're playing and not totally aware of the motions they're making. That's probably the case in Al's technique as well. Looking at the motions people like you learn when they're not thinking about it is how we have learned what we know about technique. In this regard the pulloff / sweeping aspect is a superficial observation. The more interesting question is what does your motion look like in terms of the path it is following. Meaning, is it moving along a diagonal or a semicircle when viewed down the strings? Only because the wrist has a unique ability to do these different kinds of motion, and that's what allows players to get over the string in both directions when using wrist technique. I suspect that at least some of the time you may be doing the double escape (i.e. semicircle) motion, which is cool. If you get a chance to point your camera in that direction could be interesting to take a look at that.

  • @ThisCanNotBTheFuture
    @ThisCanNotBTheFuture 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Troy, in addition to having to your mad chops, I genuinely believe you have made a permanent impact on pedagogical theory of electric guitar. By the way, any plans to interview Mancuso?

  • @jadm110
    @jadm110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would like to ask troy to do a video in what pick stiles and thicknesses are used by these hyper fast players is there a shape of pick that lends its self to increasing picking speed. and what thickness of picks are used by very fast players ( an area I have not seen covered yet). - thank you troy for making these videos

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly I don't think there's a gauge that helps you go faster. Common picks in the 1mm to 1.4mm range, like a typical Fender "heavy" or a Dunlop Jazz III, all work fine even for extremely fast playing.

  • @michaelghf6fuf6tholaski4
    @michaelghf6fuf6tholaski4 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Troy, thanks! That was the missing link to playing "race with the devil"

  • @billlybarrue5953
    @billlybarrue5953 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent. Thanks for all your videos.

  • @enriquematiasreimermillan5120
    @enriquematiasreimermillan5120 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Once again Troy, you share great wisdom!!! Thank you!!!

  • @CMM5300
    @CMM5300 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been working ways to do 2 way pick slants... that helped. I can just raise and lower the thumb heel. 3nps. Alt pick

  • @Ghaos
    @Ghaos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always good to see your vids. Dude, where can I get a black magnet, that looks awesome.

  • @גיאדניאל-ב4צ
    @גיאדניאל-ב4צ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, can ypu do a video about John Petrucci or Jason Richardson

  • @132petrit
    @132petrit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about Howard Roberts technique?

  • @SamuelPinho1
    @SamuelPinho1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love from Brazil!

  • @ariehandoko6806
    @ariehandoko6806 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always great analysis 👍👍👍, next video please analyze Anton Oparin's picking technique 🙏🙏

  • @kbkesq
    @kbkesq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m a subscriber. Would be interesting you addressing the interplay between how one holds the guitar. Andy woods has it really locked in for example. Also get @AlDimeola on as a guest!

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for signing up. We'll probably include some notes in a future update about things like approach angle, since that affects things like pick grip. But if you have something more specific in mind in terms of a problem that needs addressing, definitely let us know on the forum.

  • @Cloroqx
    @Cloroqx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Much love.

  • @luigicannizzo2669
    @luigicannizzo2669 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    " Very Good Job on ( vdc ) Istructional Play Guitar Technic ". .. Many Thank Mr. Grady for Your Work's on Guitar Technic Concept. .. So' Nice ... ☺😊😀/💙💙💙/👍👌👏👋

  • @princeworld4769
    @princeworld4769 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir kimdly make a video about the George Benzon picking technique, it looks and sounds great…and it seems faster. But its too difficult to achieve in my case..is it worth learning? Thank you sir.

  • @monsterzero1965
    @monsterzero1965 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Almost everyone says they angle their pick up to 20 degrees forward but when I still frame the pick is flat on the string?

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It sounds like you're asking about what we call "edge picking". It's a core component of pick attack, and it acts as a tone control. Flat is brighter, more edge is darker. However, there is no "correct" edge picking angle, and all amounts technically work. Bluegrass player, for example, often use almost no edge picking, for a flat attack, and a brighter sound.

    • @monsterzero1965
      @monsterzero1965 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troygrady Thank you for your timely response much appreciated! Keep up your smokin playing and the inventive and superior video work!

  • @kbkesq
    @kbkesq 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This isn’t a guitar lesson , this is a forensic investigation!

  • @XSFlanger
    @XSFlanger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm an advanced man. I see Troy's video, I instalike it! :)

  • @cheddacheese148
    @cheddacheese148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You mention that most escapes will be done with a downstroke but when an upstroke escape is needed, what adjustments are used? Do we see a rotation of the arm to change the escape motion or do players typically escape upward by extending the wrist?
    I would say that I'm a 2 o'clock picker myself. I personally rotate my forearm to switch to an upstroke escape motion but have been experimenting with methods to smooth out string transitions for 3 nps runs. The arm rotation isn't terrible but it's tiresome for 1 nps licks.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lots of approaches for this: all wrist, wrist forearm, and no adjustment at all, just play though whatever is in the way. Depends on the player / phrase.

    • @Jonny94669
      @Jonny94669 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Check out Joe Bonamassa for this technique, he's a master 2 way escape player and often plays fast licks that require 1 note per string

    • @cheddacheese148
      @cheddacheese148 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks to you both. I've studied a bit of Bonamassa's work in regards to his style but I'll do a deeper dive into his technique as well. Currently something like the intro to RHCP's "Snow" is nightmare fuel for my escape mechanics. My forearm feels it very quickly.

  • @satchrules101
    @satchrules101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Troy is the best!

  • @hernan6266hc
    @hernan6266hc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These are gold man! Thanks

  • @kbkesq
    @kbkesq 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a jazz player I find dimeola style of picking to come most naturally to me- alternating upward and downward pickslanting. But I hate the sound! Would love to see you show us how you can play the melody to Donna Lee without distortion and have it sound full and round. Please?!

    • @maxwellblakely7952
      @maxwellblakely7952 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you mean distortion of the pick edge against the string?

  • @alexandercalder2143
    @alexandercalder2143 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does Troy feel about economy picking?

  • @citizentcrusader8091
    @citizentcrusader8091 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Troy did you say this type of picking was possible while resting on the thumb pad? Thanks

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, technically the motion is the motion, and is not really affected by the anchor point. You can use a range of arm positions from the thumb pad to the pinky pad and the downstrokes will still go up in the air. The more you turn toward the thumb, the more vertical the downstrokes will appear to go. However, the fine point is that if you ever want to play lines like 3nps scales, you will also need the upstrokes to go up in the air, and when Al does this he leans on the pinky pad so that you can make two (slightly different) diagonal motions, not just one. That being said there *are* two motions you can use when resting on the thumb pad with no pinky contact, however they are different motions than the one shown here. This is how Molly Tuttle and David Grier play scales, and we have a lesson on that approach as well. But again, that's not Al's motion, it's slightly different.

  • @mitchellbadders5636
    @mitchellbadders5636 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So this video turned me on to Al's playing, and I've found that playing on an acoustic holds your elbow in place and facilitates wrist only picking. When playing on an electric though, the elbow gets some movement. Is there just a physiological difference that prevents me from any elbow movement without the body holding in pla e Eben when playing slow? Dudes like Al and Petrucci seem to have zero elbow movement and it's just not possible for me at any speed.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When we film wrist players, we often see some elbow movement alongisde the wrist, probably because the wrist can choose to move in the same plane as the elbow if it wants. This is evident in Al's fastest playing, and in the playing of players whose techniques are similar to Al's, like Andy Wood. It is possible to move only the wrist joint, but it's not because you do something to force the elbow to be stationary. It's because you simply choose to move only the wrist. However this is not something I'd really be concerned about. The reason we see the wrist and elbow operating together is because they can, and there isn't necessarily any penalty to doing this. The main thing to focus on is smoothness and tension. If you feel arm or shoulder tension when you play, that's a sign that you may not be doing the motion correctly. Experimentation is the answer, to find some way of moving that doesn't feel like it's going to burn out in a bar or two.

  • @basildog007
    @basildog007 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect content as always 👌

  • @LexxiGore
    @LexxiGore 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We have different comfortability of playing in arms. For example Marty Friedman.. Al dimeola plays acoustic too that's why he's hand move wide. He's accenting the note in scale neither in electric.

  • @napolisquared
    @napolisquared 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pure gold

  • @Quinceps
    @Quinceps ปีที่แล้ว

    It seems I'm gonna have to learn guitar again, cause my wrist spins every time I go fast. And I can't keep the strings quiet decently 😢

  • @scottsmith4145
    @scottsmith4145 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Troy let me see if I understand,,, so this 2 oclock downward escape motion will work on even or odd numbers of notes per string,,, for even notes start with an upstroke,, for odd a downstroke. But transitioning from an even to odd noted string requires a sweep though which interrupts the alternate picking but if mastered you can now stay locked into this speed picking technique and have ultimate freedom? . However, a transition from an odd to even noted string does not interrupt the alternate picking system at all

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here's the long answer: Technically speaking, a downstroke escape picking motion can *only* be used to play lines where the last note on every string is a downstroke, otherwise you would contact one of the surrounding strings. Players like John McLaughlin adhere strictly to this rule, and almost every line he plays is a pattern with a downtroke as the last note on each string. He gets amazing mileage out of this. Check out his "Cherokee" solo on the Tonight show, which you can find here on TH-cam. Almost the entire thing is downstroke string changes. Al uses the same wrist motion as John, but often playes lines where the last note is an upstroke. I think there are several things happening. On many live performances you can actually hear the upstrokes hitting the next open string during string changes, which is what I call a "swipe". While this is technically a mistake, it doesn't sound too bad if the playing is synchronized, it's just a little open string noise every so often. You can get rid of that noise with palm muting and left hand muting, and lots of players do this. It's possible that Al does this some of the time and that's why we can't hear it, even though he is hitting the string. Finally, it also is possible to use a slightly different wrist motion for the upstroke string changes. The would allow the pick to get over the string. It's what players like Andy Wood and Anton Oparin do. However, since wrist motions are small, we wouldn't know if Al is doing that without filming him up close with a camera.

    • @scottsmith4145
      @scottsmith4145 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troygrady
      Thanks for the detailed reply Troy. Love all the work you are doing!

  • @andrewbanas3036
    @andrewbanas3036 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Al says he uses "rotation".

  • @Bmxmusikian
    @Bmxmusikian 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing mate, love it

  • @shchshzh
    @shchshzh ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks!

  • @ESP77769
    @ESP77769 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've seen Al Di Meola play up close, he'll slant his pick more the faster he plays. Also he slants more when he's muting.

  • @ixcaliber
    @ixcaliber 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strangely, due to the wonky shape of my hand, if I anchor both the pinky and thumb side of my wrist, the pick ends up at about a 35 degree downward slant with the same grip you're displaying. If I only use the pinky side to anchor, that slant is even more extreme. Either way, the point is that it makes DSX motions close to impossible due to the garage spike issue on the upstroke. I have to pronate my wrist very far back to get the pick to sit at a neutral slant.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's probably just the grip you're using. Are you on our forum? Show us a photo of this, we'd be interested in seeing it. There could be some subtlety we're missing in the grip interaction.

  • @alexjackson8841
    @alexjackson8841 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey troy, I’ve wondered for a little while why you haven’t done a video on Shawn Lane? As one of the fastest guitar players the world has ever seen, I would have thought his technique would be a great thing to make a video on. Especially with his 3 finger grip on the pick - you don’t see that much. I just wondered, Thanks!

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Shawn is great. I think part of the issue is that his technique is in some respects very similar to players we've already looked at like Eric Johnson, and a lot of the long-time viewers already know the "trick" to how those picking techniques work. But we'll get back to him eventually I'm sure.

  • @rottalmusik6563
    @rottalmusik6563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks❤

  • @frostedhead
    @frostedhead 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's really your voice? I thought hired a voice narrator? very cool.

  • @Seriouskai
    @Seriouskai 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good stuff, makes me wonder about my own picking technique, or lack of it haha

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you have a motion you can do that is fast and smooth on a single note, then you have what you need. That motion can probably be employed to great effect for more complex lines once you understand which escape it has. That's really the thrust of this sequence of lessons.

    • @Seriouskai
      @Seriouskai 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troygrady Thanks, really appreciate the tips! :) Actually, thanks to you and your videos I've been giving my guitar playing more thought than just "strumming is fun" lately, and I do think and feel that there's been some improvement too. I have to admit I really don't know much about music and playing, I took it up more seriously about 5 years ago to help negate my rheumatism a bit as my fingers felt a bit stiff, but I doubt I'll ever be a Slash or anything, but I can always dream :)

  • @chroniclesofgoatman
    @chroniclesofgoatman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome

  • @pcb8059
    @pcb8059 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    funny I got my first advert for inflamed joints medicine

  • @i.m.6115
    @i.m.6115 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent 👍

  • @ArticLight14
    @ArticLight14 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you gonna do one on Fredrick Thordendal? Lol that Bleed riff.

  • @chrississon5954
    @chrississon5954 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interestingly it didnt look like Vai was picking every note on that clip

  • @cesargomezu1459
    @cesargomezu1459 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When Troy speaks we listen boys

  • @aleksik4028
    @aleksik4028 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe some gypsy jazz guys like Stochelo Rosenberg or Jimmy Rosenberg. Picking seems quite different, yes aim to down stroke mostly, but also the angle is so different, especially with Stochelo =)

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For sure, those players are the opposite of Al in the sense that the upstrokes go up in the air, which we call "USX" motion, or "upstroke escape" motion. We have interviewed Joscho Stephan and in another video in this series we look at his alternate picking motion. It's a combination of wrist and forearm, so it's a little more complicated than Al's motion, which is just wrist. In general, most Gypsy players appear to use a mix of the wrist and forearm joints.

  • @danielbasetone1467
    @danielbasetone1467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes I am very Dense...

  • @dreadful_name2924
    @dreadful_name2924 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Al just looks like Jurgen Klopp these days.

  • @brucegregori
    @brucegregori 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I am guess Al starts this phrase on an upstroke?

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The first three notes are a pickup, DUD, before the next bar begins. So when the downbeat arrives, it's an upstroke. So you're right that this phrase is basically upstroke-on-downbeat, the reverse of how lots of players like to do things. One thing I'd also point out is that this phrase includes string changes where the last note on the string is a downstroke, which is how this motion works, but also where the last note is an upstroke. Without changing the motion, this would technically cause you to hit a string, or "swipe" during string changes. Without closeup footage it's hard to say if that's what's actually happening, and Al is just muting the noise, or if he's making a slightly different motion at thosepoints. Al does use strategic swiping in other phrases, and you can sometimes hear the noise, but this phrase is so heavily muted it's kind of hard to tell.

    • @brucegregori
      @brucegregori 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@troygrady thanks. I watch the video with Vai and when he misses the timing of kick because he just having fun, he looks like and upstroke start. But this isn’t the full line. I can play it both ways up to tempo but I know he likes to start things on an up. Oh Al….lol

    • @davekiddie4467
      @davekiddie4467 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troygrady is there tab for this, there must be a half dozen ways to play this.

  • @MrMetalhorse
    @MrMetalhorse 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can safely say that I have this technique a 100% down. Even the pentatonic stuff with upstrokes. The hard thing is that damn forearm rotation thing that Andy and Al do for the stuff after upstrokes. I just gave up and do that with swiping. It doesn't work with every lick but I got enough licks under my belt.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andy doesn't do the forearm thing for outside picking, or descending inside picking. Only for ascending inside picking. That's it. The rest of the time, it's all wrist motion, just changing which direction the hand is moving to do the upstroke string change. Here's an overview: troygrady.com/primer/picking-motion/primary-plus-secondary-motion/

  • @Bmxmusikian
    @Bmxmusikian 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I so want a magnet!

  • @mikegayda715
    @mikegayda715 ปีที่แล้ว

    The wrist doesn't really move from side to side it rotates slightly and Glen what a player

  • @gopalkrishnabehera3231
    @gopalkrishnabehera3231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think that's a jazz 3. 😂

  • @suhaaskaravadi9112
    @suhaaskaravadi9112 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's what I thought as soon as I saw that red pick - "hah! That's a Jazz III !"

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's a classic! The question is: is it the III or the III XL? Hmmm

  • @121212Guitars
    @121212Guitars 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    SOMEBODY on this thread MUST know where to find the video that accompanies this performance from around 1980 - specifically the acoustic performance linked here: th-cam.com/video/SQ1INcQEL4c/w-d-xo.html

  • @jamesnorton7601
    @jamesnorton7601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Al is a 2-8 guy. Is Marty Friedman a 10-4?

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Marty isn't really a wrist player, so there is no "clock" to speak of. Marty's alternate picking technique looks like forearm and thumb motion to me. It's interesting for sure.

    • @jamesnorton7601
      @jamesnorton7601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@troygrady or horrid and unique. Yeah he probably is a bit of a elbow guy. I might classify him as a fan picker. Cool lesson as always Troy

  • @JamesGreenier
    @JamesGreenier 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    And here all this time I thought I had invented something unique in my technique. Hahaha

  • @MachineHeadDissent
    @MachineHeadDissent 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Analyze Brandon Ellis.....Self taught guitar player!!!!...🤙😎🤘

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Brandon is awesome, and not too far away. We'd like to get him in at some point.

    • @daxcartar5667
      @daxcartar5667 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      0

  • @WELLBRAN
    @WELLBRAN 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    he doesnt pick like that

  • @JoelDubay
    @JoelDubay ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two things, first of all that guy is a cop… Second of all that T-shirt has got to wreak by now.

  • @ilmisxx2
    @ilmisxx2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why in yhe world does that les paul have a pickguard bracket but doesnt have a pickguard? 😄

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Broke and fell off! Just never got around to replacing it.

    • @ilmisxx2
      @ilmisxx2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@troygrady well I guess it kind of makes it unique but I would just take it off 😄

  • @Roman8883
    @Roman8883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Full Moon in Scorpio...deep picking secrets unveiled..

  • @owlperchedsilo3745
    @owlperchedsilo3745 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you should get into the habit of gripping your pick down lower to the tip of the pick. you hold pick too far up. more motion is required when you hold pick the way you do here.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This really isn't the case. We've filmed a selection of some of the best players in the world, and up close you can see all sorts of "amount of pick" being displayed. There really is no correlation there at all.

    • @owlperchedsilo3745
      @owlperchedsilo3745 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@troygrady , try it and see how much quicker, easier and time saving it is. if you and "some of the best players" DON'T want to improve, stick with what you are doing.

  • @lkd982
    @lkd982 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you are far too articlate for something as trivial as pick technique, the m ost pedantic subject ever invented

    • @normdeplume6492
      @normdeplume6492 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There is nothing at all "trivial" about picking technique unless you're just strumming campfire chords on your acoustic.

  • @h0tsex0r
    @h0tsex0r 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Race with Troy on Long Island Expressway

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Never speed on the expressway, especially near the Hicksville Road exit. That's just asking for it!

  • @yuriyuriyuriyuri5002
    @yuriyuriyuriyuri5002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Babe wake up, troy uploaded.

  • @liquid7315
    @liquid7315 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Good to see you are ok Troy.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      We're doing good, thank you!

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@interestingthings8598 When it's done! We have some detailed updates on our Kickstarter page and blog if you'd like more of the play by play. But we've got working prototypes so things are moving more or less as planned.

  • @ivonsmith3095
    @ivonsmith3095 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Excellent TROY!! Great to see Al & John MClaughlin featured! 2 of the greatest pickers ever

    • @nickcharles7972
      @nickcharles7972 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Too bad we can't get a Larry Coryell video. He's sadly overlooked. Originally the acoustic trio with McLaughlin and Di Meola was supposed to feature Larry Coryell instead of Paco De Lucia. Sadly, his drug problems got in the way. There are some videos of a few performances floating around, and they KILLED as a trio. Larry Coryell had some of THE fastest and CLEANEST picking ever heard in Jazz or Rock. RIP- Larry Coryell

  • @Pain2337
    @Pain2337 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Are you planning to make a video about Robert Fripps picking style?

  • @arieleshcar
    @arieleshcar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great stuff!
    Would be great if you do an episode on John McLaughlin.

  • @thatpaulschofield
    @thatpaulschofield 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Troy, please do a video on Max Ostro! He's only 17 but he's got the most efficient technique I have ever seen!
    Here's a sample: th-cam.com/video/Kx3LnKmvGZU/w-d-xo.html

  • @Yngsatchvai
    @Yngsatchvai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did your invention ever ship?? I know I put in bout 50$.
    Forgot all about that

    • @sunnibird
      @sunnibird 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They’ve sent out email updates on it.

    • @troygrady
      @troygrady  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for backing us! We're getting closer, and we have working prototypes now. You can check the Kickstarter page or our blog for more details on how it's going. But we'll get there, for sure.

  • @TheGazza83
    @TheGazza83 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jesus Troy you're getting ripped dude

  • @air_one
    @air_one 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You deserve more subscribers, Sir!