Is This The Best Value Road Bike in 2023?
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00:00 Intro
00:25 What to look for
2:39 Giant TCR
4:16 Canyon Endurace/Ultimate
5:40 Trek Emonda
7:16 SquareSpace
8:21 Specialized
9:49 Vitus
10:51 Rose Bikes
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Nice…long overdue for us mortals. Please do more like this in the $1500/2500 range….👍🏻
Thanks and watch this space
I have had my Giant TCR since 2014.. great bike.. if you keep your bike clean.. chain clean.. when i save up i upgraded wheels.. custom saddle.. have done multiple triathlons and iron.. no need for a 10k+ bike
I’ve ridden, but not owned, a couple of Giant bikes and I’ll have to say the ride quality is impressive. I’m not getting off my old Bianchi just yet, but Giant will be my next serious consideration. Great video!
I just got a Giant Revolt 2 for 1100 euro straight from Giant.
It's a gravel bike but still wonderful on road, changing out the crosscut 2 tyres to something more road worthy would really improve it aswell but I live in Ireland and even our bike lanes have potholes.
It's a lovely ride and could not recommend Giant enough to people, especially those who are starting out cycling, like myself
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David, great vídeo, thank you for the options. Giant and Rose are my favorite, for my first road bike. Regards from Porto City, Portugal 💪🏼🇵🇹🚲
£2,000 for a low-end road bike, no wonder bike sales are down. We can blame the bike industry for phasing out rim brake bikes, which allowed light weight bikes at affordable prices.
trying to make money off the folks with money.
The first bike is not 2000, as of today it’s 4500. Not exactly bargain basement prices.
These prices are singly obscene
Buy direct from China
It is not a low end road bike, but the best performance and value bikes, that perform at a higher quality, performance level.
Rose and Canyon bikes are great value…….as long as you don’t mind the 6 month to 1 year delivery time. No joke.
maybe try Cube
First road bike I bought was a Felt F95 for £600 (2012). Took me from John O’Groats to Lands End and on countless sportives. It’s sad that the big brands don’t offer more options at a lower price, a £2,000 bill for a bike must put a lot of people off, and there’s better value to be found from companies such as Planet X and Fuji.
I have a Planet X RDT 80, unfortunately had a lot of problems with it. Main issue resolved by replacing the front derailleur with SRAM Force but issues with the front folks (bent on delivery) with tyre rubbing. Customer service was appalling, wouldn't resolve the fork issue even with an independent assessment.
@@gavinward3176 That's unfortunate. I had a Planet-X RT-57 that was brilliant out of the box.
And Decathlon!
I have a felt s32 right now.
You can still buy many old road bikes today.
This one of your best videos. You have applied your extraordinary judgment to the ordinary world in which we live and to great practical and quality of life benefit for us all. Thank you once again, and all the best.
Wow, thank you!
Bought a 2019 Giant Defy Advanced 2 with Shimano 105 gearset just before covid for a pretty good price at the time. Super happy i did, similar spec 2023 models are nearly double the price here in Canada...
Just bought my 1st road bike, a mint condition Ribble fully carbon Endurance SL, 105 groupset for £550, 2nd hand! Worth 2k brand new. Now thats value. It is freaking light!
That Rose is an alloy frame (disguised as a carbon frame) but it looks beautifully made.
I have that exact same TCR that was £600 more expensive in 2021. Great bike, great groupset. The wheels are ‘meh’ and the front thru axle adapter collapsed within 2 rides. The tyres - nice that it comes set up tubeless, but the tyres are heavy, and like treacle on tarmac.
However- like your comments, I changed the wheels to some 50/60mm and added some F1 tyres and it’s absolutely transformed! Not much else I’d change - might add a thicker bar tape down the line. The saddle is ok as well although it creaked after a while so I’ve replaced it only due to that.
Feeling really lucky with my end 2020 Canyon Ultimate CF SL 7 - rim brake (I live in the Netherlands, so all is flat), Shimano105-, then it was EUR 1699, 7.72 kg, super stoked with it!
I see that now there is no rim brake version anymore and it is 2699 !
I also got in on the last of the Canyon rim brake bikes-- CF SL 8. Perfect.
@@theatomic430 I still love it, last week it passed the 10000 km mark
I got mine last week. A 2017 canyon ultimate cf sl 9.0 with sram force groupset and rimbrake. Aside from the whole bike the seller gave me freebies of fizik antares saddle, canyon stem and dropbar,look pedal, carbon bottle holders and a sram force RD with short cage for 800€. Most of Todays brand new bike are so expensive thats why i go for second hand.
Rose decided to clean up the front end but route cable housing under chain stay! The frame design looks good though.
I am going to follow you because I get some good ideas of what to buy for my cycling hobby
Thanks for reviewing more affordable bikes that are accessible to the masses - cheers!
More to come!
£2000 bikes are now considered affordable are they. People are being brainwashed. That is ridiculous money for a bike.
@@benleatherland7020 true. when i spend 2000 euro on a road bike 5 years ago, i considered it to be a luxury item. and that was after many years and kilometers on a steel randoneur. i still own and ride both.
disk brakes, tubeless, electronic shifting, carbon etc... you don't need all of that to have a good and fun ride.
I love the Giant Contend AR! Beautiful all road bike. And very capable!
I'm looking forward to the Vitus bike reviews. Great brand with great value
I bought the same bike in just before Christmas and can’t recommend it highly enough.
Trek Domane AL5 is another great value bike with 105 group set and good specs and good quality parts. Tires would be the only thing out of the box I’d upgrade but that’s with any of these bikes in this price range.
Yes, the first think I do when I see rubbish Tektro brakes is swap them out for 105.
Replacing stock tires with 28c faster and lighter tires is a big improvement of my riding experience. Love my Domane AL5 despite the bike is a bit heavy at 10 kg. Probably can make the bike lighter if going for carbon wheels (guessing like 700g lighter?)
In the land of Oz that’s Australia for you chaps.. Chinese unbranded carbon frames are very common and the quality is not that far off the brands you mentioned and in some cases the mix up of unknown brands do give better value for many especially for beginners and mid level riders. Great review as always 😊
Could you give me a link to a good recommendation of these bikes
Finally! WE like this type of videos. Affordable bikes
Glad you liked it!
A bike for 2000 quids is affordable?
Yes bikes prices have gone up, also has car prices and pretty much everything else also.
Really interested to see what you think of budget brands like Vitus. Keep up the great work. Cheers from hot sunny Melbourne
Vitus is not a ‚budget‘, it is a good second tier brand with great value for money.
Biig thumbs up for having the courage to include other bikes than the usual one's 👍🏻
Tnx. Dave.
My pleasure!
The best bike is your current bike. My 2016 Endurace still rides like a charm. Upgraded the groupset to axs.
I’m in Langkawi , Malaysia, there is a nice Gusto with DI2 and calliper brakes , Taiwan carbon frame , 12500 RM or about £2200 . 👍
Dave..I truly enjoy your channel..thank you sir !!!
You are very welcome
Just scored a Ridley Fenix SLIC for $2400 … totally loving it!
This channel is not aimed at me. Happy for your joy of this hobby
the clue is in the name ;)
Excellent stuff sir.Very impressive.
Great review of some excellent options - if you can find them in stock 😂. But I do believe the Rose is AL frame not CR. Still a stunning bike though.
I have been riding/racing Rose Bikes for far over 10 years, however their bikes are great value, I must add that one should avoid their carbon fibre frames. My MTB is now on it's sixth frame in 7 years time, all the frames broke down due to manufacturing issues. My racing bike is the same as I'm on my second frame after 8 years but still kinda sad to have to go back to the german shop (live in the Netherlands) to bring the bike away and pick it up a few weeks later.
On the ALU bikes I only have positive experiences tho!
I recently bought the giant tcr trading my canyon and my what a difference in comfort and ride quality.Giant is by far the best value
My ORRO Terra C 105 came to £100.00 less than the £2000 and that included pedals and mudguards and a personal bike fit. Im absolutely delighted. Although its my first bike so I have nothing to compare, what I used to cycle in 1 hour on my wife's bike I can now achieve in 45min on the ORRO and her bike is a good quality Specialised hybrid. I feel every ounce of downward pressure is converted to the drive train. Ive now cycled almost 500 miles with no issues at all.
Where did you buy that?
@@slipknotsoad86 I bought it from The Bicycle Lounge in Ormskirk, Lancashire. If your local and interested have a look at Merlin cycles in Chorlely. The have a 2022 Terra C at a very competitive price (at least it was there last week when I called in!).
@@malcolmhendra20 I'm in kent so far from local! thanks for replying though, it was worth a shot as that is a great deal!
Thanks for good video! If I should by a roadbike now I would look for tyre clearance. The Canyon Endurace looks interesting. Gravel bikes are probably the kings of clearance and a versatile choice. My first "roadbike" was a Rocky Mountain Rail cyclodrossbike and has given me thousands of good kilometers during almost 20 years.
Get a road bike. make sure the brakes are high screw n shaped so they can fit fat tires. Buy gravel tires. Problem solved.
@@jason200912 wouldn’t drive gravel with a road bike. Buy a 2nd bike specially for gravel and you’ll be happier
I give you crap for not holding the manufacturers to account on their batshit prices. But, fair play, you've done a good job here of giving the masses useful info.
2:49 I have a Giant Propel 2022 model. I know it's not in this price range of road bikes, but I just wanted to say that I love the bike so much! Giant is a great value for money regardless of what price range you're looking at. I'd love to save up for a TCR one day, but right now I'm having fun enjoying my Propel ❤
Im considering to buy the propel 2.
And i dont have written so many Bikes, but others thank components of course the ride Feeling is very Important
Very interesting. That giant is a screaming deal in UK. Can't get close to that price in the US.
Giant TCR advance 1 I love it !
Merida used to have some well spec'd mid range bikes even in carbon but they seem to have disappeared. but I saw an escultura 400 for £2400, which seems pretty cheap for electric assistance, with hydraulics discs and 105.
Might be worth reviewing the e-road bike market. La Pierre seem to have nice ones as do giant and trek
Still rocking my trek sl6 2017 rim brake 2500€,bought some zipp 303´s for racing,still good enough today.
Very useful examination.
Great video and great choice for value roadbikes. Small correction David. The Rose road bike is very light aluminium build with a very fine finished, which it looks like carbon. Greetings from Germany.
Absolutely. I mistook the Rose Pro SL for a carbon bike until I saw the aluminium weldings at the bottom bracket. 😅
unfortunately the pro sl is no longer available
Interesting comments on the gravel. Considering one to replace my current. Warwickshire lanes are awful these days. I’m getting to old for thin rubber 😂
If you're not racing you don't need a fancy bike.
You can get a really nice bike for less than $1,000 with Shimano Claris 8x2
Just found a Giant Defy with a paint blemish on the frame in my local bike shop, massive discount, collection next weekend 😊
Bought a 2nd hand Scott Addict (2020) for £1200 last year and absolutely love it !
I have a 2019 CAAD12 Ultegra. Still rides amazing today. Cannondale is the best when it comes to Alloy. Same with Specialized with the Allez.
I have Caad 5 from 2005, still rides amazing😅 actualy theres no big differnce between new and old bikes, specially if old is upgraded
@@Glebaka 1998 CAD3 checking in.
I sold my old Allez, a stiff, beautiful frame. Steep angles made it a great bike for crit racing. Specialized alloy frames up there with anyone's!
@@FriendlyFarmMachineryToolCpBel The Allez still remains to be the best bike for crit racing. The frames even got better.
@@Cortes19882012 , great 😃😃😃
2000euro cathegory and not pick any Cube bike is a big blunder. That would be my first choice out of all your recommendetions without thinking toolong. Awesome frames of really high quality, top groupsets. Attain or Agree lines are what everyone should be considering in 2000 budget
“But you missed out [insert random name of every bike ever made here]”. Seems you can’t win. Something to keep in mind with this price point is resale value. Getting a “branded” bike often means when people buy at this level, don’t ride it much and then decide to sell, they fetch a better price back than “lesser” brands. Facebook marketplace is littered with examples of broken dreams and best intentions. Plus always buy a bike you like the look of, as if you are not a super enthusiast roadie, it’ll make you want to ride it just that little bit more! The list you have provided is an excellent start point for sure.
For two grand you can get a fantastic second hand bike. A mate of mine picked up a carbon Fondriest, Full Ultegra with Zipp 404v wheels for £600. It had hardly been ridden and was like new.
Yeah this is a good point, surely with two grand you can get some incredible spec bikes second hand
@@InfinityProTeam That's a good idea. I'm nervous about buying a used carbon road bike because the frame could have an issue. Probably unwarranted.
Yep, it was many years ago but in the past I paid $2,000 for a barely used Colnago C40 with Campy Record, some kind of rare special carbon cranks that Colnago sourced for a while, and a set of some special edition (extra light) Zip 303s (I think to buy all that new was over $10,000 at the time). Your friend got a really great deal on that Fondriest
You can actually get the Emonda SL5 disc for £2k if you look around. Good discount and I did consider it but ended up with a TCR,based on the frame weight.
You also end up with a bike that's easier to work on (sub-hour headset service) and compatible with almost any, if not any direct-drive turbo trainer. There's simply not much to fault about this bike.
Haha, same did I, also took TCR and saved 800 Euro 😅
Aluminum has a bad reputation? Never heard that. Bike companies are ripping everyone a new one. I wouldn’t spend 2000 on tiagra group set. I also don’t need batteries on a road bike, something else that breaks down.
I think 105 non Di2 at 1800 reasonable. If not I’ll keep riding what I have. Rose Ultegra, mechanical groupset that sounds good.
It doesn't have a bad reputation, but it has an unfair reputation for offering a harsh ride, a hangover from the 90s and early 2000s but that just isn't the case these days imo
@@davidarthur Even my early 2000's GT ZR3.0 with 28mm tires rides very comfortable with it's carbon fork, the bike it replaced an earlier GT with aluminum fork however was a hard ride.
The big brands also need to get with the program with respect to crank length and handlebar width. Too often the offerings are too big. The only way to get 165mm cranks is with a small or extra small frame. Sub 400mm handlebars likewise.
This is a step in the right direction. Let the market lead the industry giants, not the other way around
I have that Trek Emonda ALR and tarted it up with Dura Ace 😊
Did that make a difference?
You forgot another good german Brand. I bought a Stevens Aspin to ride during winter. A really fantastic bike. Complete Ultegra Groupset with only Rim Brakes, but this is for me ok.
I have had carbon and aluminum,one of my bikes used paid 800.00 and have had no issues it has a Claris
Van Rysel the Decathlon in-house brand also offers, both alloy and carbon, well specced road bikes in this price range. Unfortunately there still is some stigma buying from Decathlon.
Trek Domane AL is a good option in the US. Trek are expanding their retail shop coverage pretty well. Which means good warranty coverage countrywide
Had the AL5 Disc not even for a year and sold it. Such a heavy slug of a bike.
@@joed7185 1. Are there lighter options for the price?
2. Is it the bike? I kid
@@jonpoon3896 Its Disc Brakes. Look to get a Specialized Allez Elite rim brake.Thats what I got. SO much better response wise and lighter.
Buy used. Be patient
Amen and amen!!!
Hear hear!
One year ago, canyon aeroad 2019 incl. Everything, ultegra di2, dtswiss arc1400 62mm, 7,8kg, 3,3k€ almost new. And now stores are presenting me super base level, partially aluminium entry level bikes for almost 3k. Yeah, not feeling it. Little better than a good used deal. However, the used market has realized that and increased prizes harshly over the pandemic
Wait for the new Shimano drivetrains, the old parts will be on sale soon
Exactly!
Nice content! But the Piano(or so) background loop is KILLING me!!!
I can't find a similarly equipped TCR for that price point in the US market - I would buy it if I could find it!
I would love to see you test and review De Rosa Bicycles.
I’d love to get the Rose gravel bike, but it doesn’t seem possible in the UK. Is this still the case?
Cannondale caad optima 1 for 1600 with 105 is hard too beat
Still love my trek Emonda 2017 rim brake
Good feature - many vlogs give the impression that you need a 4k/ 5k bike to be a cyclist. I’ve ridden Cube which are widely available and they are very good value- also Dolan and Ribble probably have offerings at this price point. Would like to see a feature on best upgrades for a 2k bike. PS All metals used for bikes are alloys - ie a mixture of metals - ie Titanium is an alloy - so aluminium is the accurate description for an aluminium bike. Keep up the good work.
Let me tell you as a vintage and new old stock kind of rider, anything Shimano Claris and Sora that’s being made by Shimano now, is as good if not better than Dura Ace and Ultegra of yesteryear. AND is compatible with previous groupsets. Where as new Tiagra id im not mistaken isn’t compatible with other precious 10 speed groupsets.
Not quite the group set you mention on the GIANT, comes with Shimano 105
I have to say nice video and the price point more realistic. Does seem some people think you should have covered every bike in the world in the 2k range. Clearly not possible.
I think in this Pricerange Cube has good offerings.
Anyone have thoughts on how the Fezzari Empire or Veyo stack up as value bikes? Keep in mind that the standard Veyo carbon frame won’t be out until this summer...all the current Veyo prices reflect their super light frame.
Canyon Ultimate CF SL 8 Rim brake is a great deal full Ultegra
I just order it the same ultimate yesterday for 2100 US. I am training for an Ironman. I cannot wait to see what this new bad boy can do. I think this bike is a great deal. Sadly, the new canyon bikes have higher prices so the value per dollar has decreased.
great man, great bike, great price, great quality ...TREK
Hi David, how would you compare the Giant TCR to the Giant Defy range? Is the Defy just a more upright/endurance type setup? Thanks again
I have owned two defys..yes they are more upright in posistion but still a racy bike..you could lower the bars if you wanted to,but i love a all day ride and being north of 50 years old, im grateful for the comfort..
You missed out the vitus zenium crs. I own one and there us no better bike for under 2k - high quality carbon frame, ultegra groupset,8kg weight and it rides fantastic - very comfortable with excellent road manners and handling.
I’m wondering if Shimano is still producing mechanical 11 speed group sets for sale? I haven’t seen any full groups sets for sale, I just bought a full mechanical Dura Ace but had to buy it in pieces. Love my mechanical!
They do but it's difficult to get hold of
Great stuff..i have the TCR its great
The one thing I hate about Giant, is the way they market their bikes in different countries. That model TCR is not available in Japan. In fact the only models available with the Ultegra are the Di2. The lower end models come with the 105 group sets.
I'd love to ride a road bike, but they are too difficult for me, I'm not flexible enough. Could you make a video with more upright, comfortable bikes?
If you 1. Pack your bike in a car 2. Take your bike on a plane 3. Ride for fun 4. Do overnight rides 5. Are over 90kg 6. Ride on a variety of roads - then you need Alloy Frames... If you 1. A show off 2. A tosser 3. Think you are some elite racer... You need a carbon frame.
for me its all about the quality of the wheels, I bought a set of v fast deep 50mm Chinese wheels 10 years ago and they have not needed as much as a spoke change, get an average bike with fast wheels
I like your full zip hoodie! What brand is it? Great video!
It’s a Sportful Giara hoody 👍
Quick question Dave. Why do you never review PlanetX bikes? A british brand with a good Rep. Just Interested. Cheers
If I didn't have a discount on Trek, I would go for a TCR Frame. Upgrade to some Bontrager Aeolus, and you could have one heck of a bike.
Bit deceptive on the Giant TCR 1, as this is the 2021 model and they have none in stock anywhere, the 2022 model they have loads of, but they are 3k
Giant is good.
Other than that, Polygon & Gusto is one of the best cheap bike that worth the money. Full integrate cable.
Any suggestions on a bike this prove range, that could be used for a beginner triathlete that also would like to ride gravel?
I wanted an American (Wooo America!!! We rock!!!! Don't forget we saved you Brits in WW2, the big one) bike but none of the local dealers had my size and price point in stock!!! So I bought a Giant Revolt 2... It's okay, but I haven't broken past 30 miles per hour downhill yet... Trying to ride every day or other day!!!!
Awesome :)
I have a Diverge, very slow on the 32m heavy tyres it comes with
Buy these types of bikes in September or October when the shops are selling that year's stock off to make room for the next season's stuff. Or go to one of the online dealers like Ribble etc. Same prices all years round, but they still have some bargins. Failing that, its ebay for a 2nd hand. Make sure you go and test it first
For good value alloy bikes, you should also rake a look at Dolan’s offerings.
Can't cover every firm which i get but being uk surely a little move love for some home grown offerings such as Ribble.would have been good
How bout the Cannondale Carbon 4 with Tiagra groupset?
the piano in your background music is quite infruriating David
Thanks for the feedback sir
@@davidarthur thanks for the courteous reply David. Keep up the good work 🙂
Hi David, what do you think about the new Fezzari Veyo? It seems to be a really good all-around aero road bike that offers 105 di2 and Ultegra di2 12 speed for $thousands less than even the Canyon Ultimate,
I have the same question, but as Fezzari is an American brand, he may not have had the opportunity to get hands on with one. Still curious to see how it or the Empire stack up.
You don't need to spend anywhere near £2,000 to get a decent bike and enjoy cycling. You can spend £350/£400-£600 (or even less there are new road bikes at Decathlon starting at £250-£350) and get a reliable new bike from a reputable company. And people don't need 'road' (i.e. racing) bikes with drop handle-bars, they can get hybrid bikes, mountain bikes, town bikes etc.
I agree especially decathlon they have amazing value for the average person, even Halfords have bikes at this price point. But what worries me is that big brands have basically ditched the sub £500 bikes and I guess in part it's because Shimano is now more expensive, it would be amazing for the market if decathlon licenced out Microshift to other companies to build bikes with.
My worry is that as time goes on the average person who cannot drop £2k on a bike will be stuck with buying 2nd hand or just going to decathlon.
@@faequeenapril6921 ANother problem now is electric 'bikes' as they are getting many people away from actual cycling and is contrary to point of cycling and many of its benefits...and eBikes are expensive and so will be an excuse to drag up the prices of normal bikes as they will be compared to eBike prices.
@@ZaydDepaor oh yeah for sure, to me bicycles is all about low tech, repairing at home with nothing more than a few tools that anyone can do.
To me bicycles are already really expensive, the "budget" specced bikes now being way more expensive than they use to, I'm at the point that instead of buying brand new I'm tempted to buy 2nd hand and then specc it up myself to how I want a bicycle for my needs.
Hi David thinking of a new endurance/sportive bike.Can’t decide Canyon, Scott, Ribble or Giant what would you go for thanks?
What's your budget? What's the most important thing you're looking for? Frame material preferences?
Tiagra sometimes has mechanical disc though? Yes a question..Thanks david love your vids