Grelf could easily go to Solana and be top project but instead he chose Hedera, it's because he believes in Hedera as all of us and spreading the word about it to tons of new people. Community and retail investors deserve a bit more attention and support.
Great to see Mr. Grelf on the show! Agree with everything he said. We need to pivot to retail or else get left in the dust by new entrants into the DLT space. Thanks for the update Brandon!
The US Supreme court just ruled that the SEC can't arbitrarily target crypto companies without trial. It's high time that Hedera stops being so fearful of litigation and hesitant about targeting retail investors.
Hedera had years to do what Solana is doing right now and attacking the market from a retail aspect and enterprise. You don’t take this long during cycles to try and figure it out. There’s much more DLT competition now and even more on the way.
Where did you post this in 2020,2021 I don't see ANY comments about Hedera chasing retail investors back then. All of the sudden it's your #1 priority? Hedera will adjust in due time.
@@HC-iu1vs There were many people concerned as soon as the Foundation took over but nobody was listening. There were obvious signs early on such as unannounced token allocations (billions of HBAR), general lack of transparency, and a lack of expertise and planning (it was obvious in interviews)
@@yuser5821 I saw no such concerns from the majority on youtube or reddit. There is ALWAYS a minority that has concerns about every single aspect of what Hedera does as if Hedera are a perfect example of an organization that does everything to everyone else's standard. Now as far as THF transparency, it seems obvious from recent events that these people on the board should be identified for transparency's sake. No reason why they should not be listed on the website. I asked Brandon on here because it seemed a good follow up to Rob Allen's remarks on Shark Bites but received no response.
Shark Bites ... The answer to the community DAO as GC member was obvious. The last question about the HBAR Foundation was a missed opportunity to ask the obvious question of why that " group of people" that started the Foundation are not transparent. 🤨
Question for Rob: As of July 4, several new IDs have popped up on Metrika with between 10,000 and 17,000 daily HCS transactions. Any idea which projects these are?
Brandon - for Paul. With this pullback, we need to see higher staking rewards restored to keep the network stable. Some have called for Shane H’s removal after he sold shares at that .18 spike. Maybe time for him to step down and put rules in place vesting hbar compensation? Thoughts from Paul?
I don't understand why people who want a retail-focused project chose to invest in an enterprise-focused project. Why did they buy HBAR when they could have bought SOL--a project that is very retail-focused. I think those wanting more retail focus are doing so because they want to get the gains that Solana etc have gotten, but retail is short-term degen stuff, mostly. I think it's short-sighted to take our eye off the enterprise ball and just try to be a copy of all the other chains out there.
Not people wants to pivot on retail, they want. After 7 years of enterprise's "adoption", they discover enterprise's move too too slow and not enough revenue to be self-sustainable. Only now they meet the reality. 😳 They sold to much tokens to sustain the network and in future term can't sell more. Because they montly have huge expensive bill's, employes, event's sponsored, etc, is only two way: 1. To sell much more expensive the last tokens to have enought $$$ to survive next long bear who is about to come, OR 2. A very fast massive adoption with very fast high revenue. Is simple and is no another way. 😉
Most people who consider themselves part of the community haven't built something in the real world and Web 2. Not sure why they believe they can supercharge a cutting-edge technology company any better and quicker.
A group of grifters pitched the HBF to hedera. They should be accountable to hedera seeing as though they get their funds/salaries/ ridiculous non performance related bonuses from hedera.
They don't need to believe, they use it for free and even more, they take out real money $$$$ from here (for be in GC members they receive Hbars then they sell this Hbars and take $$$) 🤫
I understand Hedera shares can be purchased now? Is this not a rather bad for the token price potential, as people wont have to bother messing about with the janky mess of the crypto world to invest in Hedera, avoiding the potential loss of everything from continual hacks and crappy wallets. And are shares not traditionally geared towards reacting to they type of amazing news the HBAR token is completly immune to?
@@HederaForum Ok cool, just I was looking on the Spotlight and Borse stock exchanges with the Valour Hedera, and the listings are under 'share prices' and don't work out to the price of a token? Could you please very briefly explain what it is they are selling, to alleviate my ignorance?
@@HederaForum Ok Cool, just I was looking on the Borse and Spotlight exchanges at the Valour-Hedera listing, and it's listed under 'share prices'. And whatever is being sold is not the price of a token. Could you please briefly explain what it is they are selling, to alleviate my ignorance? Thank you!
I always be a critics of this project because is the only one where i involved, but, the last part of this bull will be very explosive for Hbar, and i'm 100% sure they will put another Ath. Is not a financial advice but one thing is obviously: Is not enought to said you are the best, you need to prove that.
As for "what about all the other ones?" Relating to companies buying hbar if atma stopped then there would be practically no revenue ie hardly anyone is buying hbar for usage. Bin the HBF its not working.
They cannot afford to lose this cycle. The peak is about to come and probably the end of this cycle will be over in just a few months. Look at Btc that started to rise up in December 2022. Recession is inevitable and will probably start in the first part of 2025 when this party ends. They don't have enough time to build a mass adoption with high revenue to survive next bear. Since they need to sell tokens and they don't have a large amount like last cycle, they must to sell high. Is not my opinion, is reality.
Last year, on August 15, you tweeted "Solana can't compete with Hedera" I told you you were wrong. You said to me, is hate. After one year we all see the reality. All morning news praid Solana's performance. Not marketing brings people, just hype & performance. Long time hype with long time performance. Always people & money will flow to the winners leaving the losers. ALWAYS. IS NO OTHER WAY.
After 7 years, the revenue is not enough to be self-sustainable because businesses are just using the network, many for free. Look at what they did, not what they say. Some leaders are dishonest, cheat and use traps. We all know that until now, the network survives only with the holders support. Otherwise, it could definitely crash. Shayne wish a DAO for community 🤣 Charles have a planty of ideas 🤣 Next months, next years and beyond 🤣 100 years project 🤣 Too many jokes (or too many lies) 🤔 They need to ask himself, how many people will come next cycle to sustain this network.
Grelf is a little delusional with his Utopian vision. He might try to lobby for a job to implement this strategic shift. I suspect the changes he's talking about will not be seen anytime soon. Hedera is not gonna turn into Solana in 6 months.
lol I don't want Hedera to turn into solana, all I expect within six months is that the leadership will acknowledge the need to market to retail/retail devs more effectively and outline a plan of action (that the community can see and isn't behind closed doors) that they can then start implementing. I think 6 months is plenty of time for that to happen and Hedera's new president has already publicly expressed an interest in doing this. And again, this isn't instead of focusing on enterprise but just in addition to. Hedera's tech can benefit everyone, no need to leave money on the table.
And what do you bring to the network bud? Buying hbar doesn't count we all have that in common. Don't criticise the people that are doing something to make it better for us normies.
@@WarlockNKey good point.I just wish we'd turn the narrative of focus on "retail" to focus on USERS and that means ALL kinds of users not just individuals trying to " pump their bags". Anyone who is on social media knows that all majority of "retail"wants is to 10,20,100X their "investment " and dump their bags on to future retail investors If anything is a priority as far as focus I'd say it should be on builders and developers.After all, there has to be something to use on the network..when an individual uses a network they do so because of the application that interests them like a game ,or defi app or decentralized cell phone network. Those ideas originate from builders/developers not retail investors.
All persons who invested in Hbar after BR announced ARE IN LOST. ALL. HUGE LOST. IS NOT NORMAL. IS VERY UGLY. NOW IS OBVIOUSLY WAS A TRAP. THIS IS WHY HEDERA IS THE MOST HATED PROJECT. IS OBVIOUSLY EVEN FOR BLIND.
Why are you in here just spreading hate. Your responses are neither helpful or complete sentences. You sound like a very unpleasant person. You should get help soon. @@pauldumitru8002
Grelf "everybody knows we need to pivot to retail". No. That would be the death of Hedera. Hedera needs 10,000 TPS just to "breakeven". Can you fathom how many "retail" cases that is and how long that would take? That's 9 more enterprise use cases the size of ATMA or 10,000 small retail projects. If you want a higher HBAR price you'll need 100,000+TPS and retail will NEVER get us there. Or you "pivot to retail" but you raise the transaction fee from $0.0001 to $10 and spend money marketing to/ and trying to support 1000's of small retail devs. This is simple math, you can't "pivot to retail" @ $0.0001 cost and think that'll profitable let alone sustainable.
It's not "retail" above all else. ALL of the users matter.ALL of them from large enterprises to individual investors to start ups to non profits to institutions to VC's etc
@@HC-iu1vs Bingo 👍 THIS IS MASS ADOPTION 💪 But first, you need to be loved and Hedera is not because they cheat, always... WITHOUT LOVE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT CAN'T BE LOVED WHEN EVERY TIME YOU ALWAYS CHEAT!!!
They are only now learning this market and how it works, after they see they are on a wrong and non self-sustainable way 😂 7 years they was "to smart" to listen feedback 🤣 They know better 🤣 After they see they sell majority of tokens and no good result. 😂 They are only now see the reality and try to adapt but in crypto 6 month is to to to long. If don't move fast (and how i know they will not even move) Hedera will lose this cycle. 100% without any doubt. And in my opinion is the last bull run cycle. And with no enought revenue to survive...
Grelf could easily go to Solana and be top project but instead he chose Hedera, it's because he believes in Hedera as all of us and spreading the word about it to tons of new people. Community and retail investors deserve a bit more attention and support.
Why can't he do both?
Great to see Mr. Grelf on the show! Agree with everything he said. We need to pivot to retail or else get left in the dust by new entrants into the DLT space. Thanks for the update Brandon!
Jake WarlockNKey knows what he's talking about!
The US Supreme court just ruled that the SEC can't arbitrarily target crypto companies without trial. It's high time that Hedera stops being so fearful of litigation and hesitant about targeting retail investors.
Agreed.
@@HC-iu1vs Which idea?
@@miltonbates6425 worrying about regulation and just get to market faster.
@@miltonbates6425 th-cam.com/video/IU2FkzzzzxQ/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
@@miltonbates6425 regulations as an excuse and speed to market.
Thank you for addressing a range of important issues in this report
Grelf wisdom. Love it!
Its funny how rob mentions alice and highlights how good a person she is compared fo the rest of hbf.
Hedera had years to do what Solana is doing right now and attacking the market from a retail aspect and enterprise. You don’t take this long during cycles to try and figure it out. There’s much more DLT competition now and even more on the way.
Where did you post this in 2020,2021 I don't see ANY comments about Hedera chasing retail investors back then. All of the sudden it's your #1 priority?
Hedera will adjust in due time.
@@HC-iu1vs Wrong, Solana is not Hedera.
Solana is trustworthy.
Hedera is not.
@@pauldumitru8002 Yes, true which means that we should be way ahead of Solana.
@@HC-iu1vs There were many people concerned as soon as the Foundation took over but nobody was listening. There were obvious signs early on such as unannounced token allocations (billions of HBAR), general lack of transparency, and a lack of expertise and planning (it was obvious in interviews)
@@yuser5821 I saw no such concerns from the majority on youtube or reddit. There is ALWAYS a minority that has concerns about every single aspect of what Hedera does as if Hedera are a perfect example of an organization that does everything to everyone else's standard.
Now as far as THF transparency, it seems obvious from recent events that these people on the board should be identified for transparency's sake. No reason why they should not be listed on the website. I asked Brandon on here because it seemed a good follow up to Rob Allen's remarks on Shark Bites but received no response.
Shark Bites ...
The answer to the community DAO as GC member was obvious.
The last question about the HBAR Foundation was a missed opportunity to ask the obvious question of why that " group of people" that started the Foundation are not transparent.
🤨
That is how enterprises operate, not good for retail investors ofc
@@alexramos3768 you always have a choice. Do you really HAVE to subscribe to Netflix?
@@alexramos3768 Not true. Public companies and organisations are required to publicly report key facts
Getting someone from Atma on would be great
Kracken futures!!!
💃🌴🚀🥂
$HBAR 🎉
Question for Rob: As of July 4, several new IDs have popped up on Metrika with between 10,000 and 17,000 daily HCS transactions. Any idea which projects these are?
Brandon - for Paul. With this pullback, we need to see higher staking rewards restored to keep the network stable. Some have called for Shane H’s removal after he sold shares at that .18 spike. Maybe time for him to step down and put rules in place vesting hbar compensation? Thoughts from Paul?
I don't understand why people who want a retail-focused project chose to invest in an enterprise-focused project. Why did they buy HBAR when they could have bought SOL--a project that is very retail-focused.
I think those wanting more retail focus are doing so because they want to get the gains that Solana etc have gotten, but retail is short-term degen stuff, mostly. I think it's short-sighted to take our eye off the enterprise ball and just try to be a copy of all the other chains out there.
Yes focusing on Retail gains capital. That capital is sticky and helps the network as a whole. I also think we can easily do both.
Not people wants to pivot on retail, they want.
After 7 years of enterprise's "adoption", they discover enterprise's move too too slow and not enough revenue to be self-sustainable.
Only now they meet the reality. 😳
They sold to much tokens to sustain the network and in future term can't sell more.
Because they montly have huge expensive bill's, employes, event's sponsored, etc, is only two way:
1. To sell much more expensive the last tokens to have enought $$$ to survive next long bear who is about to come,
OR
2. A very fast massive adoption with very fast high revenue.
Is simple and is no another way. 😉
Great video.
Get grelf to solana and base chain
Hbar and sauce 🎉
That jake guy is a handsome bloke!
Yeah he is Tudor. 😉
Most people who consider themselves part of the community haven't built something in the real world and Web 2. Not sure why they believe they can supercharge a cutting-edge technology company any better and quicker.
A group of grifters pitched the HBF to hedera. They should be accountable to hedera seeing as though they get their funds/salaries/ ridiculous non performance related bonuses from hedera.
Yes, this was where things went wrong. Funding of THF needs to be paused immediately.
@@yuser5821 not gonna happen.
Yeah seems so. Maybe Shaynes acquaintances?
I see the headquarters is in the Cayman Islands. We all know what goes on there.
Sometimes i wonder whether these GC members believe in the Hedera tech. Thanks Brandon.
They don't need to believe, they use it for free and even more, they take out real money $$$$ from here (for be in GC members they receive Hbars then they sell this Hbars and take $$$) 🤫
I understand Hedera shares can be purchased now? Is this not a rather bad for the token price potential, as people wont have to bother messing about with the janky mess of the crypto world to invest in Hedera, avoiding the potential loss of everything from continual hacks and crappy wallets. And are shares not traditionally geared towards reacting to they type of amazing news the HBAR token is completly immune to?
There are no Hedera shares.
@@HederaForum Ok cool, just I was looking on the Spotlight and Borse stock exchanges with the Valour Hedera, and the listings are under 'share prices' and don't work out to the price of a token?
Could you please very briefly explain what it is they are selling, to alleviate my ignorance?
@@HederaForum Ok Cool, just I was looking on the Borse and Spotlight exchanges at the Valour-Hedera listing, and it's listed under 'share prices'. And whatever is being sold is not the price of a token.
Could you please briefly explain what it is they are selling, to alleviate my ignorance?
Thank you!
🙏🙏
Binance has always done perpetual futures with hbar so why use krakhead?😅
Some don’t have access.
Access. Binance isn't available to everyone, everywhere.
In the UK Binance is banned for shady stuff.
Have the original 2 owners/inventors jumped ship? Not a whisper from them.
They are both still very involved.
The Trust Layer, but with NDAs all over the place lol, better buy grelf than hbar
Maybe
Grelf tokenomics are insane but it's good to hold a bit of Hbar and Pack
Please disclose your HBAR holdings, You know, for transparency.
I always be a critics of this project because is the only one where i involved, but, the last part of this bull will be very explosive for Hbar, and i'm 100% sure they will put another Ath.
Is not a financial advice but one thing is obviously:
Is not enought to said you are the best, you need to prove that.
As for "what about all the other ones?" Relating to companies buying hbar if atma stopped then there would be practically no revenue ie hardly anyone is buying hbar for usage. Bin the HBF its not working.
This was Jake’s point.
They cannot afford to lose this cycle.
The peak is about to come and probably the end of this cycle will be over in just a few months.
Look at Btc that started to rise up in December 2022.
Recession is inevitable and will probably start in the first part of 2025 when this party ends.
They don't have enough time to build a mass adoption with high revenue to survive next bear.
Since they need to sell tokens and they don't have a large amount like last cycle, they must to sell high.
Is not my opinion, is reality.
Last year, on August 15, you tweeted "Solana can't compete with Hedera"
I told you you were wrong.
You said to me, is hate.
After one year we all see the reality.
All morning news praid Solana's performance.
Not marketing brings people, just hype & performance.
Long time hype with long time performance.
Always people & money will flow to the winners leaving the losers.
ALWAYS.
IS NO OTHER WAY.
We have a lot of work to do.
@@HederaForum I really know that and honestly i wish you and all Hedera Hbar leaders good luck.
All the best ✌️
After 7 years, the revenue is not enough to be self-sustainable because businesses are just using the network, many for free.
Look at what they did, not what they say.
Some leaders are dishonest, cheat and use traps.
We all know that until now, the network survives only with the holders support.
Otherwise, it could definitely crash.
Shayne wish a DAO for community 🤣
Charles have a planty of ideas 🤣
Next months, next years and beyond 🤣
100 years project 🤣
Too many jokes (or too many lies) 🤔
They need to ask himself, how many people will come next cycle to sustain this network.
Right. Everything is always coming but either never comes or is pushed back or not as it appears
Grelf is a little delusional with his Utopian vision.
He might try to lobby for a job to implement this strategic shift. I suspect the changes he's talking about will not be seen anytime soon. Hedera is not gonna turn into Solana in 6 months.
lol I don't want Hedera to turn into solana, all I expect within six months is that the leadership will acknowledge the need to market to retail/retail devs more effectively and outline a plan of action (that the community can see and isn't behind closed doors) that they can then start implementing. I think 6 months is plenty of time for that to happen and Hedera's new president has already publicly expressed an interest in doing this. And again, this isn't instead of focusing on enterprise but just in addition to. Hedera's tech can benefit everyone, no need to leave money on the table.
And what do you bring to the network bud?
Buying hbar doesn't count we all have that in common.
Don't criticise the people that are doing something to make it better for us normies.
That handsome man in the interview isn’t Grelf, he’s Grelf’s father as I understand it
@@WarlockNKey You have perfect right and i wish you good luck & succes. ✌️
@@WarlockNKey good point.I just wish we'd turn the narrative of focus on "retail" to focus on USERS and that means ALL kinds of users not just individuals trying to " pump their bags". Anyone who is on social media knows that all majority of "retail"wants is to 10,20,100X their "investment " and dump their bags on to future retail investors
If anything is a priority as far as focus I'd say it should be on builders and developers.After all, there has to be something to use on the network..when an individual uses a network they do so because of the application that interests them like a game ,or defi app or decentralized cell phone network. Those ideas originate from builders/developers not retail investors.
All persons who invested in Hbar after BR announced ARE IN LOST.
ALL.
HUGE LOST.
IS NOT NORMAL.
IS VERY UGLY.
NOW IS OBVIOUSLY WAS A TRAP.
THIS IS WHY HEDERA IS THE MOST HATED PROJECT.
IS OBVIOUSLY EVEN FOR BLIND.
Loss
@@HederaForum They lost or they are in loss just for the moment.
Time will tell us.
Why are you in here just spreading hate. Your responses are neither helpful or complete sentences. You sound like a very unpleasant person. You should get help soon. @@pauldumitru8002
Grelf "everybody knows we need to pivot to retail". No. That would be the death of Hedera. Hedera needs 10,000 TPS just to "breakeven". Can you fathom how many "retail" cases that is and how long that would take? That's 9 more enterprise use cases the size of ATMA or 10,000 small retail projects. If you want a higher HBAR price you'll need 100,000+TPS and retail will NEVER get us there. Or you "pivot to retail" but you raise the transaction fee from $0.0001 to $10 and spend money marketing to/ and trying to support 1000's of small retail devs. This is simple math, you can't "pivot to retail" @ $0.0001 cost and think that'll profitable let alone sustainable.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's not "retail" above all else. ALL of the users matter.ALL of them from large enterprises to individual investors to start ups to non profits to institutions to VC's etc
Brandon mentioned the higher fees retail users pay as a benefit vs cheaper HCS transactions.
@@HC-iu1vs Bingo 👍
THIS IS MASS ADOPTION 💪
But first, you need to be loved and Hedera is not because they cheat, always...
WITHOUT LOVE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT CAN'T BE LOVED WHEN EVERY TIME YOU ALWAYS CHEAT!!!
They are only now learning this market and how it works, after they see they are on a wrong and non self-sustainable way 😂
7 years they was "to smart" to listen feedback 🤣
They know better 🤣
After they see they sell majority of tokens and no good result. 😂
They are only now see the reality and try to adapt but in crypto 6 month is to to to long.
If don't move fast (and how i know they will not even move) Hedera will lose this cycle.
100% without any doubt.
And in my opinion is the last bull run cycle.
And with no enought revenue to survive...
Thanks for your ever present opinion.
@@HederaForum At this moment, just BitGo & his friends can help.
If they move fast.
Without any dump.
$GRELF Mafia #SAUCERSWAP
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