@@dzibanart8521 duuude that looks so sick. It's wildly impressive that we're at a point where we can use full fat, full performance x86 chips in a form factor that small while maintaining a solid battery life. Like, imagine explaining this to someone from 2015. Lmao. Truly exciting times.
The V3 is just out of this world! We've had the Surface Pro for ages now, more than a decade (!), made by a trillion dollar company, revised over and over again. And here comes that upstart Cinese manufacturer and says "let's just do it right, for once." Amazing. That's what giving a sh*t on big corporation deals gets you.
indeed, in my case though it’s unfortunate the WiFi is integrated, i really wanted a portable router and server which this thing would be just perfect for if it had it. for a cluster workload though these are amazing
The fact that it's POE capable is a game changer. Would much much rather sell these to clients over really poorly equipped AIOs or similar, just strap this to the back of a monitor and it'd be great for basic word processor clients
I've been complaining about the USB-C nightmare for ages, and I felt like I was the only one. Glad to see someone else is driven partially insane by it as well.
Ordered one about a half-hour before I stumbled across this video. Will add a 24" UltraSharp monitor and backlit wireless keyboard. This is to replace an old HP 18.3" laptop.
Bought the MS-01 13900H... Amazing lab computer. Their UEFI leaves much to desire, but impressed with the value and utility Minisforum is able to deliver.
If I didn't already have a Shield TV or an immediate need for a new box, then I'd probably jump on this right away. N100 seems to fit the media center PC niche really well from what I've seen, PoE also just makes it super convenient since I'd hardwire it anyways and have a PoE switch. My gut is that it likely wouldn't have too many issues with the performance when streaming but I might be worried about emulator performance.
minisforum are the saint of the oem world, i build my own computers but for those who cant im so grateful for these angels, god bless every one of them.
The disposable-ness irks me. Once the SSD dies, it's trash, and that's when, not if. Also weird limitation for the PoE, considering PoE-in switches can guzzle up way more power without issue.
USB-C can be directional specific also. they might put the pull up or pull down resistor directly in the cable to tell which side is the client is why I think it might be able to have directional specific cables as well.
For a while I used a similar mini-PC (a MeLE Quieter4C) with a PoE PD splitter and was quite happy with it (it eventually got repurposed as part of a cyberdeck, though). Considering this doesn't need an extra splitter, it is actually pretty reasonably priced for what you get. Which is surprising since they seem to be marketing it more towards business use.
You should have done some temperature testing between POE and USB-C, I suspect it might be a heat issue. There have been similar industrial devices tested by STH with big passive heatsinks and he did not report a similar performance loss (or maybe a marginal one I do not remember exactly). Theoretically with 802.3bt we could see way faster mobile chips in devices like these. Lighting in this video looked pretty good btw
Actually it is 3.1. the spec sheet of minisforum is wrong. If you boot the device you see it is actually a KLUEG8UHDC-B0E1 chip which is UFS 3.1. which is very annoying as pretty much any linux distro will not run on it. Fedora does install but has no root file system when booting and all other sorts of issue.I will be returning the device because i can not use it how i want to.
Wait, did you run the benchmarks while using the PoE to power both the PC and the portable screen? That would definitely generate much more heat, while also not being a very typical use case.
Haha, I have that same PinePhone USB-C type dock. It was a good deal, you paid 50$ for it, but you get a nice(aluminum frame!) dock and an extra gigabyte of RAM for the PinePhone. Comes in handy, and of course, with the dock and a monitor the PinePhone is basically just a small, slow, low-power computer.
I feel like if you wanted to run a small CCTV NVR, this could be perfect. You'd already have a PoE switch for the cameras, so just add a USB Coral for the entity detection and you're off to the races, with everything powered off your switch.
I wonder how cooling would change if an AirJet by Frore replaced the fan + heatsink. On the surface, this device looks like a suitable application for the "solid-state chip for active device cooling"
The problem is USB C is a standard for the shape of a connector. USB 1, 2, 3 etc. are communications, power delivery and assorted other protocols related to the cables. USB 3 cables are fairly expensive and USB 4 very expensive so a lot of companies slap USB C connectors on USB 3.0 or even USB 2 cables and deliver them when that will be good enough. If you really need USB 4 then specifically buy USB 4 cables and specifically verify your devices have ports that support that.
that is why - Thunderbolt >> USBC naming because if you got Thunderbolt, you know you got all: - power transfer - video transfer - data transfer of level of which Thunderbolt version it uses... I really would love to see all Intel based devices like this to actually use at least a single thunderbolt port. I like how Intel already said that it will force Thunderbolt port on all Z800 series boards hope to see same thing on intel based laptops
To be honest I'm tempted to get one just as a thin client for connecting to my work VM (since I'm forced to use one). My regular work/gaming desktop consumes 70W while displaying the VM.
Yeah I got 2 I wish they would've at least put a micro SD card slot in there... The space is there. Also these get HOT on POE ... I mean Really hot .... Not so much on the USB Power Adapter. I am unsure if I can leave these running with poe behind my monitors...😅 But way to go minis forum!!!! Make.more of these please. Eben a slightly bigger one with a true 2230 nvme would be much appreciated. Also a TOP move of minis forum: They put a 65w GaN charger in there which is useful for other stuff as well. Suma sumarum. I will buy more from minis forum in the future!!!!
Why did they stop at 8GB of RAM, WHY!? I would really like to have one or two to run a small power Kubernetes cluster and use the 2.5Gbit connection for speedy connection to my NAS.
How about a deep dive video on this... Windows 10 instead of 11? Or, what about Proxmox with IOMMU? Or, can it do real time video transcoding in order to turn it into a tiny network Jellyfin appliance?
Slap linux on it with some power controls. Might be a cool war driver unit to just leave in the backpack plugged into an usb power brick. Could also be a great little share server for travel.
I'd buy 5 of them and build out a PoE powered (Engenius ecs2512fp) k3s cluster from them in a heartbeat if it wasnt for the heat dissipation issues :-(
Any suggestion on a cheap way to get 4k120 hdr on a mini pc like theese? seem all of them cap at 4k60 or have no hdr support, I have an amazing 4k120 hdr setup with moonlight, but there is just no clients out there that support them Android TVs can't do 4k120 hdr, Apple Tv does not support 120 hz, Linux clients do not support HDR , my solution so far has been to use macbooks to push 4k120 hdr + ethernet but it's overkill and have no good console like ui
I'll have to find someone who does a full teardown to see if the WiFi can be pulled out. This is the perfect solution for me, except that it can't have WiFi. Hopefully it's located on the PCB such that it can be desoldered easily.
I love the connector but damn USBC is a crap show. I went through a heck of a time with my quest 2.. the cable they bundle with it is only usb2 but it needs usb3 to use with your PC. FFS
This is why I hate the USB-C standard. and the USB-C port feels all floppy after awhile... Heck the Pixel 8 does not even include a charging cable in the box that can fully saturate the maximum charging capacity if the phone... yet Google doesn't tell you and most users wouldn't be able to check unless they have a cable tester. Seems like cables should be labeled more clearly but F everybody right?
I was waiting for the resurrection of those nice cheap intel surf sticks.. They came including windows. They died pretty fast because of the bloatation of windows with each forced update.. Now even loading a 720p youtube video will struggle and drop frames :-( .. Or loading windows 10 64bit already.. Nice option for holidays when your room tv allows hdmi input and you dont want dragging your expensive laptop along.
Mini PCs need more storage. Either bigger and cheaper ssds, or a compartment for a sata disk. First, not going to happen any time soon, and there are only a few with sata.
All that blah blah blah about how it is "throttling" and "hot" and not a single peep about if it's attaining/maintaining the advertised boost and base clock specs. "As hot as the electrolytic capacitor is, I can't imagine it's going to have... it's not going to have severely diminished lifetime..." You're saying it... won't have a diminished lifetime or will? If so, what is the spec of the cap for temperature tolerance? You said it was 85C, according to a, presumably infrared gun 85C. The spec for the lowest-grade caps is 85C. They go up to 105C. The specification for an electrical component is the temperature at which it can safely run for its duty cycle without an expectation of shortened lifespan. The same applies to CPUs. A CPU running at 105C with a junction temperature of 105C is not "too hot". It's running within spec. Intel's 13th and 14th CPUS are experiencing instability and degradation because of too much *power* not because "too hot".
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No, we cannot rectify, it's already DC! 😆
Morbin time
Man I swear Minisforum is on fire right now with all these innovative designs. They're definitely making some of the most interesting devices imo.
Indeed I got myself a V3 tab and is amazing.
@@dzibanart8521 duuude that looks so sick. It's wildly impressive that we're at a point where we can use full fat, full performance x86 chips in a form factor that small while maintaining a solid battery life. Like, imagine explaining this to someone from 2015. Lmao. Truly exciting times.
The V3 is just out of this world! We've had the Surface Pro for ages now, more than a decade (!), made by a trillion dollar company, revised over and over again. And here comes that upstart Cinese manufacturer and says "let's just do it right, for once." Amazing. That's what giving a sh*t on big corporation deals gets you.
indeed, in my case though it’s unfortunate the WiFi is integrated, i really wanted a portable router and server which this thing would be just perfect for if it had it. for a cluster workload though these are amazing
MS01 is also a great "server" solution
2:22 -- detailed info on USB-C challenges and problems. Thank you.
Great video 👍
My mind says use these to build a talos kubernetes cluster....but my wallet says....just use your hypervisor lol
in the end we gonn do what mind says
Just do it 😂
Well a wise man said once:
It's better to have then to need 😅
So I bought 2 and a 3 is on the way 😅
The fact that it's POE capable is a game changer. Would much much rather sell these to clients over really poorly equipped AIOs or similar, just strap this to the back of a monitor and it'd be great for basic word processor clients
Hello. What industry are you selling to? I'm in the process of spinning up a new business and we are considering the S100.
I've been complaining about the USB-C nightmare for ages, and I felt like I was the only one. Glad to see someone else is driven partially insane by it as well.
Ordered one about a half-hour before I stumbled across this video. Will add a 24" UltraSharp monitor and backlit wireless keyboard. This is to replace an old HP 18.3" laptop.
Awesome! Technically you could make a DIY laptop with this by adding a Power bank.
Bought the MS-01 13900H... Amazing lab computer. Their UEFI leaves much to desire, but impressed with the value and utility Minisforum is able to deliver.
If I didn't already have a Shield TV or an immediate need for a new box, then I'd probably jump on this right away.
N100 seems to fit the media center PC niche really well from what I've seen, PoE also just makes it super convenient since I'd hardwire it anyways and have a PoE switch.
My gut is that it likely wouldn't have too many issues with the performance when streaming but I might be worried about emulator performance.
minisforum are the saint of the oem world, i build my own computers but for those who cant im so grateful for these angels, god bless every one of them.
been looking at these to make a high availability cluster for home assistant/internal DNS. I don't think the throttling would be an issue in my case.
Not likely, nope. Normal use cases it does just fine. Just something to be aware of
The disposable-ness irks me. Once the SSD dies, it's trash, and that's when, not if. Also weird limitation for the PoE, considering PoE-in switches can guzzle up way more power without issue.
Buried at the back of a TV, would this be good enough to run a media server? Home automation machine? Over kill?
Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?
I just saw these and it reminded me of intels compute stick. Glad you reviewed it!
USB-C can be directional specific also. they might put the pull up or pull down resistor directly in the cable to tell which side is the client is why I think it might be able to have directional specific cables as well.
For a while I used a similar mini-PC (a MeLE Quieter4C) with a PoE PD splitter and was quite happy with it (it eventually got repurposed as part of a cyberdeck, though). Considering this doesn't need an extra splitter, it is actually pretty reasonably priced for what you get. Which is surprising since they seem to be marketing it more towards business use.
You should have done some temperature testing between POE and USB-C, I suspect it might be a heat issue. There have been similar industrial devices tested by STH with big passive heatsinks and he did not report a similar performance loss (or maybe a marginal one I do not remember exactly). Theoretically with 802.3bt we could see way faster mobile chips in devices like these.
Lighting in this video looked pretty good btw
usb type-c is basically usb type any, you gotta check the time at runtime or just segfault.
You neglected to mention the storage is UFS 2.1, not NVMe as implied by the “additional m.2 slot” comments.
Actually it is 3.1. the spec sheet of minisforum is wrong. If you boot the device you see it is actually a KLUEG8UHDC-B0E1 chip which is UFS 3.1. which is very annoying as pretty much any linux distro will not run on it. Fedora does install but has no root file system when booting and all other sorts of issue.I will be returning the device because i can not use it how i want to.
6:45 man that fan absolutely rips
Wish it had a 16 GB RAM option. Then it would have been a perfect candidate for my homelab cluster :(
Considering this as a GitLab Runner
Oh if this had 2 ethernet jacks this would be a killer Router/Firewall box. Just plug into a POE switch and it would be compete.
Usbc Ethernet adapter… done
Wait, did you run the benchmarks while using the PoE to power both the PC and the portable screen? That would definitely generate much more heat, while also not being a very typical use case.
these blades for a cluster looks so tempting
Haha, I have that same PinePhone USB-C type dock. It was a good deal, you paid 50$ for it, but you get a nice(aluminum frame!) dock and an extra gigabyte of RAM for the PinePhone. Comes in handy, and of course, with the dock and a monitor the PinePhone is basically just a small, slow, low-power computer.
I feel like if you wanted to run a small CCTV NVR, this could be perfect. You'd already have a PoE switch for the cameras, so just add a USB Coral for the entity detection and you're off to the races, with everything powered off your switch.
I'd want to see iperf results before jumping on this.
I wonder how cooling would change if an AirJet by Frore replaced the fan + heatsink. On the surface, this device looks like a suitable application for the "solid-state chip for active device cooling"
The problem is USB C is a standard for the shape of a connector. USB 1, 2, 3 etc. are communications, power delivery and assorted other protocols related to the cables. USB 3 cables are fairly expensive and USB 4 very expensive so a lot of companies slap USB C connectors on USB 3.0 or even USB 2 cables and deliver them when that will be good enough. If you really need USB 4 then specifically buy USB 4 cables and specifically verify your devices have ports that support that.
that is why - Thunderbolt >> USBC naming
because if you got Thunderbolt, you know you got all:
- power transfer
- video transfer
- data transfer of level of which Thunderbolt version it uses...
I really would love to see all Intel based devices like this to actually use at least a single thunderbolt port.
I like how Intel already said that it will force Thunderbolt port on all Z800 series boards
hope to see same thing on intel based laptops
To be honest I'm tempted to get one just as a thin client for connecting to my work VM (since I'm forced to use one). My regular work/gaming desktop consumes 70W while displaying the VM.
I think it would be useful as a WOL standby device that I can remote into to be able to wol anything that has shut off.
Yeah I got 2 I wish they would've at least put a micro SD card slot in there... The space is there.
Also these get HOT on POE ... I mean Really hot .... Not so much on the USB Power Adapter.
I am unsure if I can leave these running with poe behind my monitors...😅
But way to go minis forum!!!! Make.more of these please. Eben a slightly bigger one with a true 2230 nvme would be much appreciated.
Also a TOP move of minis forum:
They put a 65w GaN charger in there which is useful for other stuff as well.
Suma sumarum. I will buy more from minis forum in the future!!!!
S100 and 8GB. Two things I never expected to hear in the same sentence.... 😁
Why did they stop at 8GB of RAM, WHY!? I would really like to have one or two to run a small power Kubernetes cluster and use the 2.5Gbit connection for speedy connection to my NAS.
Screw the raspi cluster this would be a good use case for a home k8s cluster
man minisforum is so cool
This could be a great solution for an SBC for a phone system deployment. Especially get if it allows on power state from power loss on POE.
How about a deep dive video on this... Windows 10 instead of 11? Or, what about Proxmox with IOMMU? Or, can it do real time video transcoding in order to turn it into a tiny network Jellyfin appliance?
Looks like a nice offsite backup device with external USB
This would be awesome for running a bunch of low demand docker containers
What about a POE+ splitter? One side is POE and the other is Ethernet with a USB C?
That's really disappointing with the PoE heat issue. Very likely also would affect longevity. Was really looking forward to this thing.
CPU-Z of 382 on USB-C down to 245 on PoE. That's pretty brutal.
love to see you check out some hard kernel stuff.
Okay I am getting some to run DOGE Nodes on my 10G isp line, I like Doge and support their goals
Slap linux on it with some power controls. Might be a cool war driver unit to just leave in the backpack plugged into an usb power brick. Could also be a great little share server for travel.
I tried to get one as soon as I got an email notification but no delivery to my country... Sad
An idea for minisforum engineers, redesign one of these to mount a couple of noctua A4x10 fans.
can you do a cluster for that device
I wonder if I can use it for Moonlight streaming.
Other N100 machines handle this great.
Better then the new N97 G5?
I like that shirt.
I'd buy it if the POE performed closer to standard!
Given the low wattage I feel like this could be used in a car for something nifty
would be an improvement but ill stick with the raspberry pi 3b for now .
USB C is great except that there really should be better labeling and that probably should be mandatory.
Nice! Wish there was a 16GB option.
Curious, why? (real question)
I just don't see it since the storage is not serviceable.
I'd buy 5 of them and build out a PoE powered (Engenius ecs2512fp) k3s cluster from them in a heartbeat if it wasnt for the heat dissipation issues :-(
Any suggestion on a cheap way to get 4k120 hdr on a mini pc like theese? seem all of them cap at 4k60 or have no hdr support, I have an amazing 4k120 hdr setup with moonlight, but there is just no clients out there that support them
Android TVs can't do 4k120 hdr, Apple Tv does not support 120 hz, Linux clients do not support HDR , my solution so far has been to use macbooks to push 4k120 hdr + ethernet but it's overkill and have no good console like ui
I'll have to find someone who does a full teardown to see if the WiFi can be pulled out. This is the perfect solution for me, except that it can't have WiFi. Hopefully it's located on the PCB such that it can be desoldered easily.
any work on ow well it runs linux , is ther any issue installing an running kde neon ?
Ideal for call centers.
Um. You didn't do your CPU stress tests with that USB-C monitor attached, did you? That's really abusing the PoE interface.
Advertised for digital signage. You can't tell me that a mall using these devices wouldn't do the same?
Almost good.
If they put an N97 in it and didn't heavily limit the performance...
I want one
I think i just found my new carputer.
Ooo don't like the form factor. Someone will confuse it for a USB hub of some sort, lol
2:19 did you just call us chat? lol
I don't think that was an electrolytic cap, it looked like a solid technology cap to me.
does it run linux?
I laughed at the rectify joke.
If they sold that unit without the power adapter it should hit the $100 mark.
What could this be useful for?
Commercial signage
Would way rather have this than a Pi = worth
I love the connector but damn USBC is a crap show. I went through a heck of a time with my quest 2.. the cable they bundle with it is only usb2 but it needs usb3 to use with your PC. FFS
When these n100 boxes hit $150 I'll replace the TV RPis.
spec says usb 4...Thunderbolt 10gbe nic anyone?
I wanted to buy this for PoE 😭😭
really enticing but can we trust minisform devices on the network... ? spooky imho
This is why I hate the USB-C standard. and the USB-C port feels all floppy after awhile...
Heck the Pixel 8 does not even include a charging cable in the box that can fully saturate the maximum charging capacity if the phone... yet Google doesn't tell you and most users wouldn't be able to check unless they have a cable tester.
Seems like cables should be labeled more clearly but F everybody right?
Don't do drugs, kids!
Don't tell me what to do! Lol
add a digital modem, a battery, a SIM card, and you've got a #CLILINUXPHONE
Need POE usb charger.
I was waiting for the resurrection of those nice cheap intel surf sticks.. They came including windows.
They died pretty fast because of the bloatation of windows with each forced update.. Now even loading a 720p youtube video will struggle and drop frames :-( .. Or loading windows 10 64bit already..
Nice option for holidays when your room tv allows hdmi input and you dont want dragging your expensive laptop along.
does it play fortnite
Mini PCs need more storage. Either bigger and cheaper ssds, or a compartment for a sata disk. First, not going to happen any time soon, and there are only a few with sata.
All that blah blah blah about how it is "throttling" and "hot" and not a single peep about if it's attaining/maintaining the advertised boost and base clock specs.
"As hot as the electrolytic capacitor is, I can't imagine it's going to have... it's not going to have severely diminished lifetime..."
You're saying it... won't have a diminished lifetime or will?
If so, what is the spec of the cap for temperature tolerance?
You said it was 85C, according to a, presumably infrared gun 85C.
The spec for the lowest-grade caps is 85C. They go up to 105C.
The specification for an electrical component is the temperature at which it can safely run for its duty cycle without an expectation of shortened lifespan.
The same applies to CPUs. A CPU running at 105C with a junction temperature of 105C is not "too hot". It's running within spec.
Intel's 13th and 14th CPUS are experiencing instability and degradation because of too much *power* not because "too hot".
I only use my pinephone's hub anymore. :(
Stop adding those annoying sound effects. The hell?? This is not tiktok.
All pentium and Celeron processors are trash! Not worth the sand used to make them!