No Lives Matter to Evolutionists (feat. Cynthia McDonald) - Evolution Exposed Exposed
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- Our examination of the "Evolution Exposed" all-star creationist six-hour epic seminar with Ray Comfort and 10 other well-known prominent anti-evolution speakers. This time, Mark Spence of Living Waters tells us about how evolutionists don't value life.
Cynthia McDonald brings her expertise in biology and culture to assure us that Mark doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Cynthia’s References:
“White too Long” Robert P Jones
“Racism among white Christians is higher than among the nonreligious. That's no coincidence.” www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion...
“Oldest Institution of Southern Baptist Convention Reveals Past Ties to Slavery” www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/us...
“Basil Manly” encyclopediaofalabama.org/arti...
“Christianity in the United States” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christi....
“Intrinsic Value, Ecology, and Conservation” www.nature.com/scitable/knowl...
“PRRI (Public Religion Research Institute)” www.prri.org/
White Supremacist Ideas Have Historical Roots In U.S. Christianity www.npr.org/2020/07/01/883115...
“Home Science Biology
‘Primordial soup’ theory doesn’t hold up, study says. Instead, life might have first emerged elsewhere” www.zmescience.com/science/bi... - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Mark's refusal to believe he came from goo should tell us a lot about his knowledge of sex reproduction.
they said it as it is just a ridiculous idea but definition, but it actually happens to all of us
Exactly. When someone brings up 'goo to you by way of the zoo' or 'molecules-to-man evolution' my first though is _you do realise that happened to you within your own lifespan?_
(Allowing for the obvious imprecision in "molecules-to-man" in the first place of course)
My first thought also, lol!🥰✌
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! You hit it right on the head!
I don't know if his parents visited the zoo, but he definitely started as goo!
I can't wait to use this in a conversation with a smug creationist!
A long time ago when he was a little boy, he was taught in Sunday School that the goo was Jesus Juice.
"We've brought in experts in the field of evolution, and by 'experts' we mean 'people with no relevant education in the field whatsoever"'
Gonna fix that for you:
"We've brought in experts in the field of evolution, and by 'experts' we mean 'people with no -relevant- education -in the field- whatsoever"'
lol, yeah, they bussed in hundreds.
@@EdwardHowton It doesn't matter if you could with 100% certainty disprove evolution. That still wouldn't make "God did it" true. You would need to provide evidence for that. You can't.
@@Andres64B Tried and failed for thousands of years.
Why is this expert filming a video from the front seat of his car??????????
"If evolution is true then lives don't matter" is confession through projection. To religious people the important thing is the afterlife, so it naturally flows that this mortal life is what doesn't matter since it's basically a waiting room you sit in for 80 years or so before the REAL story begins. When someone makes that "if no god life is meaningless" it makes me think of them as nihilistic misanthropes.
Confession via projection. ❤❤❤
Yeah, they believe any amount of suffering is worth in this life to get to heaven after that. Just look at what "mother Theresa" did, she only cared about "saving souls", by converting people to Catholicism, and then left them to suffer in unsanitary conditions with no painkillers
Sorry, ignore those posts I made. I accidently butt-dialed those ones, gosh damn it.
You are so right!!!! 😁😁😁
Seems to me it’s one of those lines people repeat without giving it much thought. Creationists think it informs their beliefs but a tiny amount of critical thinking destroys that notion.
This guy doesn't know what Evolution teaches. I took a rudimentary course in college, and none of what he says has anything to do with it.
Creationists don't understand evolution. If they did they wouldn't be creationists..
@TOS100 Returns - To which guy are you referring - Paulogia or the Christian creationist?
They understand just fine... their mandate is to deceive. I'm convinced monsters like Ray Comfort are in it for clout and money. It's like flat-earthers... most of these goofs know the world isn't flat, but they see dollar signs in the eyes of the ignoramus.
@@pechaa
_To which guy are you referring_
To the creationist, I'm presuming.
(I agree that the unhelpful term _this guy_ is used too often in TH-cam comments.)
@@davidmauro8947 No, I disagree. They don't understand, but they don't want to understand. They are not even trying to understand what evolution is, because they think they already know the truth and we're all lying about it. Until they accept the fact that they are wrong, they cannot understand the truth.
I love how his opening sentence shows he’s assuming he’s only talking to Whites.
He is only talking to Whites. That is clear in everything he says. He could give a tinker's damn about anything else.
He is.
He probably is lol
Yep. Making evolution vs creationism about race is totally racist.
@@kevinOneil6742 Making things to be about race that have nothing to be about race, or mentioning race when it is not needed is a racist tactic. If you don't know why that is done, you might be a crypto-racist.
The arrogance of some christians truly knows no bounds.
It goes with the colossal ignorance and unmitigated dishonesty.
I think it's funny when they say all Atheists are arrogant. Some definitely are though.
OK, that guy made my skin crawl. That very subtle, unacknowledged white supremacy pretending to be based in Christian love.
I didn't exactly hear anything in his speech that screams whites are better. Like yea he handled it all like a bumbling idiot who's probably uncomfortable around black people. But I got more the sense he was just trying to make that point relevant to today's issues. Because that argument is an extremely common one even without the whole black white dynamic.
If I were Mark's dog or his son, I'd be slightly worried.
😂 Yeah, talking about killing one to feed to the other was bizarre.
@@kaydenpat Reminds me of the race to the south pole. Edmundson used dogs sleds, with the plan to eat the dogs as supplies went down. Scot refused to eat dogs, and went for man hauling. And we know how that ended. Not a lot to do with the subject, but edmundson and his team survived, thus had more chance to procreate. And yup, I know Scott already had kids 👍.
"Son. Rover. ENGAGE!"
@@TheScotsalan the poor dogs didn’t ask or want to be taken to the South Pole. I’d feel a bit strange taking dogs that I intended to eat and feed to each other just because I wanted to be the first to reach a place.
@@murph8411 Well, cows are not that good at towing sledges over ice 😂..
As a black person, I don't need Markey-Mark in his VW bug and his Christian fascist agenda to tell me that my life matters. I dont even need Black Lives Matters to do that, either, although, I respect what BLM is trying to do in showing that we should all have the same Constitutional rights. My life always matters to me.
Its not an old school Beetle, I can vouchsafe that... 😸❤
Our lives matter because it's now or never, no evidence that there's one waiting for any of us after death.
So Amen to that!
In america everyone has the same constitutional rights
@@alkestos. Yes, but the police and the government do not always treat everyone accordingly, so functionally it is as if different people have different rights. I think that’s what OP meant
He thought the Essential workers were being treated better? He obviously isn't an Essential anything.
The fact that without the concept of a god, these guys could justify whatever inhumane acts they do because nothing matters. That's terrifying.
What's truly terrifying is that history teaches us that they could conceivably justify anything in the name of God. Mass rape, mass murder, slavery, genocide, et cetera.
To be honest, I don’t believe any of them would do a single antisocial thing if they stopped believing in their god. I do believe that *they believe* they would, but they’re just fools. They only believe that because that’s what they think their book says, and they believe whatever they think their book says. They haven’t thought enough about their own ethics to know why they do anything, but thankfully human empathy is instinct at this point and controls their behavior most of the time whether they recognize it or not. They wouldn’t actually be dangerous to anyone (except maybe themselves because of depression) if they deconverted.
@@bariumselenided5152 I'm hoping they would
@@justaway6901 but why though
@@miskatonic_alumni Not just could, but did, and they still do whenever they think they can get away with it.
Black Nonbelievers is a great organization doing great work. Something the atheist community sorely needs. Great use of your platform to have Cynthia on, and a beautiful animation!
Me, a nihilist throughout this entire video: “Okay, so what? Value is assigned, not inherent. It says so much more about you than me that you think value comes from externalities.”
Exactly. The universe has no inherent meaning or value, and that's the beauty of it. Since nothing has any value imposed on it by some "supreme" or "absolute" being, we're able to create our own value and give life meaning based on our own values.
Yeah, I was thinking about how it’s impossible for anything to have “inherent value” , cuz value needs at least a “valuer” and a “valuee”. A valuee on its own would have nothing to value it, and so would have no value.
Put another way, value isn’t a trait that a thing can have, it’s a process that two things undergo. I can’t have intrinsic value anymore than I can have intrinsic walking. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Agree.
I'm more of an agnostic cosmic existentialist (the Universe doesn't care about anything, my life has no inherent purpose/meaning/value and I have to be the one who finds a purpose for my own life), and I think it's far more powerful for the individuals to find their own purpose in life than having purpose givens to them before they are born.
Very hardcore Christians tend to use arguments and reasons that would increase their own ego or self-centeredness, like "God cares about us" and "We were created in the image of God". There is little humility in that but full of arrogance (pride is a deadly sin, I hope they remember that), and IMO, little power for them, because they believe their purpose is given from an outside entity, not self-made.
What a sad way to live.
PS. Hail Azathoth.
@@armedweiss5531 I don't think that's beautiful at all. It's sad there's no inherent meaning. And our meanings on this life are filled with nothing except pain and suffering
@@dharmadefender3932 Don't bring me in your negative view of life. Maybe your life is _"filled with nothing except pain and suffering"_ and I'm sorry for that, but mine is not. So don't use "our", don't speak for people you don't know
Comfort said at the beginning, that they pulled in (11) experts on evolution, but none of them was a professor of biology, or even had a degree in the subject. Some experts!
In their worldview, "expert" means "agrees with me."
Imagine if some company got equally “qualified” “experts” to design a plane. I wonder if they’d even manage to understand the goal lol
If you notice, most of their 'experts' work directly for Ray Comfort or Ken Ham...
The most disgusting idea being taught here is that it is acceptable to destroy things that have no value to you.
That's the kind of power trip you get when you convince people they're made in the image of the divine.
In one of his recent series on "Supposed Lies in the Textbooks", Aron Ra points out how often Kent Hovind is dismissive of other life forms as "useless" (chihuahuas especially) , or revels in cruel or grotesque stories.
Also,I bet Christians don't value non-human lives much, their bible says other living beings are made by god only to be used by humans. To have some perspective, most "pagan" religions in the world actually respected nature and taught that all living beings have "spirit" or "soul", so extremely anthropocentric view of Abrahamic religions is not a rule, but an exception
Stop killing bacteria’s! Don’t wash your hands. You did not create bacteria so you can not kill them!
@@KateeAngel do you protect rats? If not, you are hypocritical.
It's funny...all the goofy ways creationists find to say: 'we don't understand or want to understand evolution.'
Nothing says "I'm taking this seriously" as phoning it in from your car.
maybe his family is sick of his nonsense and he's hiding? 🤔 🙄
Or he's on the run.
8:56 I think it's a bad idea to use the term "Evolutionist," as well as promote the idea that they "BELIEVE in Evolution." The word "believe" gets abused by Christians constantly when they conflate the two meanings. And they way they use Evolutionist comes with nasty subtext.
Evolution is a science. People who study it are Evolutionary Biologists. Evolutionary Biologists DO NOT need to "believe" in Evolution. Rather, they accept it as fact as a result of their studies.
As a life-long Atheist, I DO NOT believe in science, for science does not require my belief.
Well said. In my opinion the term is "I accept evolution" just as "I accept gravity" and "I accept the big bang".
It’s also important to bring to mind that they use the word “believe” a lot when talking about their own faith
I think you might be throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Yes, Christians mess with what belief means, and they weaponise it. That needs to be dealt with. But we need a term to describe positions you hold. I think that the world is round => I believe the world is round.
As for the term Evolutionist, as much as you, me and Paul would love to see a decrease in usage, it is a natural extension of the English language. Yes, the issue is that it makes it seem like there's a valid debate between creationists and evolutionists in science. But whacking ist to the end of a word to describe those who hold that position makes sense. (I still remember the hour I had an earth science lecturer rant about the delusionists, the old school Noah's Ark people.)
@@a2sbestos768 yep. basically they try to switch their religion with science. They believe in unfalsifiable claims, science is a process that results in people accepting testable facts of the world.
@@randomdogdog An extension of the English language, perhaps, but I'm not so convinced it's very natural. It very much seems like a contrived term with obvious negative connotations. It's a method that cult's use to discredit their, usually dwarfing, opposition. Take the Flat-Earth cult for example, and their vigorous use of the term "Globist" in reference to people who "believe" that the earth is a spinning globe. A globist might be a word, fine, but it's not natural and wholly redundant to refer to someone as a widely known, uncontroversial fact. It's like... do you like to breath air? then your a "breathist". Are you alive? then you are a "lifist". Evolutionist is the same as calling someone a "gravitist".
Quetzalcoatl created everything yesterday. Deal with it.
Actually, I created Quetzalcoatl 10 minutes ago. Deal with it.
@@whirlingidervish Quetzalcoatl created you AND your belief that you created Quetalcoatl 10 minutes ago, 5 minutes ago. Deal with THAT!
I am Quetzalcoatl and I have a book to prove it.
Edit: and so's my wife!
@@Quinn37 les gasp!
I employ Monty Python and fart in your (collective) general direction.
Winning!
;-)
I enjoyed Cynthias commentary definitely have her back Paul. Don't let her animation go to waste!!
Agreed!
I 2nd. Applying racial paradigm to religious history could be its own channel
Very much agreed!
Agreed
Her intonation sounds like she's reading her notes.
I have never seen a youtube video making any sense when the rant is filmed in a car.
"If reality is real, then (insert some shocking claim). Therefore reality isn't real and instead my proposed story is real."
This is the ultimate dilemma for the theist. The existential crisis of dealing with life as it is.
I know it's scripted, pre-recorded footage, but props to Cynthia for being so chill in response to Mark's shitty take about "supposed" marginalization of black people. It must be extremely frustrating to hear, I know I was wincing and I'm very much white.
I was cringing the minute he started talking about that, because it was clear what was coming. Some white dude talking about George Floyd with absolutely no self-consciousness at all? _Of course_ I was cringing. How can people be that clueless? Oh, yeah, he's a creationist, huh?
no one cares if your white , get over your white privilege.
@@Cognitoman troll harder.
@@joehorn1762 you must be white
He was speaking to his audience, which I'd wager would include very few blacks.
Real cute of that guy to talk about """evolutionists""" only seeing instrumental value when the only value christianity sees in people is that which gets more asses in pews. Try telling a hardcore fundie christian that they should value someone who's a different religion or rejects religion entirely, or even is part of their specific christian sect but "refuses" to stop "sinning" (ie. accepts a part of their identity the church doesn't like rather than bottling it up), see how they react.
I disagree. It's not so much the "asses in pews" as the concomitant cash in offering plates that they see as valuable. ;)
@@burke615 Good point, very good point.
"Try telling a hardcore fundie christian that they should value someone who's a different religion or rejects religion entirely, "
In order to be one of those religious types, one would have to be a psychopath, as only psychos would be fine with the concept of people spending an agonising eternity in hell while they swanned about, enjoying Heaven.
Only one religious person ever admitted that to me (and he was a muslim).
I immediately begin laughing when I read things like "The Truth about Evolution", "What Evolutionists Never Tell You", or in this case "Evolution Exposed" as if the greatest and most verifiable scientific theory of all time is some sort of conspiratorial clap trap.
And I weep because there are tons of people who fall for that disinformation, and they vote and oppress others through extraordinarily harmful legislation derived from their silly beliefs. We need to teach epistemology, science/media literacy, and world religion with a humanist perspective among other subjects in school in order to arm kids with the tools necessary to combat disinformation.
I bet they wish, surreptitiously, that they had inherited a better book than the bible, and it wasn't so full of nonsense, but it is too late to go back now.
@@roqsteady5290 Their strategy is to stay ignorant of what the Bible actually claims by never reading it. So far its working beautifully.
@@alanw505 Except... that other people do read it and point out it's shortcomings with some astonishment that anyone could believe in such obvious absurdities.
This jesus guy has some really lousy representatives.
“Laws are not the answer” says the dude whose holy book contains more than 600 laws.
Cynthia was a great guest speaker, thanks for introducing her.
My jaw dropped when he said 'supposedly'. I was about to make a comment on that, but Cynthia beat me to it. 😎
Mark is just sulking because he was deemed non-essential, while the shop-worker on minimum wage was essential.
They deserve a living wage too. This minimum wage junk. These people risked their lives to be blunt, day in day out of this pandemic. So we who could work from home etc could take less risks. I hate CarTheists.
He's also probably pissed because he just tried to get in a Walmart without a mask and got trespassed.
"Let's start off by saying, Black Live only matter from a Christian Worldview." Mark must be ignorant of the Christian justification for slavery with the conception of the Decedents of Ham. It so directly counters his point it's insane.
Black lives matter so much to Christians that Christians invented the doctrine of white supremacy in order to justify the transatlantic slave trade and chattel slavery.
3/5th value at that.
It's especially wild for me because even if his point held, many forms of Islam believe in creation by the Abrahamic God. You have to aggressively ignore Islam even within his own framework.
The fact that it condones a system of racially based slavery in both testaments is more damning
I mean, that's only a fucked up interpretation
I'll never understand the argument that believing in evolution means that human beings can't have any self worth. I don't require a creator to value myself or others. It was always a cringy argument, but Mark managed to make it SUPER-CRINGE.
Solid dismantling as always but I really can’t get over how people can watch this guys in his car say such idiotic things and take him and people like him seriously. Everyone has biases but damn how can you not objectively see the BS of arguments like this.
It makes them feel smart. Actual intelligent conversation angers and confuses them. That book learnin' is for sinners.
It seems like the only thought he put into his argument was how he could get the most emotional response possible. So much nonsense and conflation.
He's preaching to the choir, who are people are prone to magical thinking. People like Mark make them feel like their wacky beliefs are defensible by critical thinking.
Wait, I thought life was just the waiting room for heaven in the Christian viewpoint and anyone that is... murdered for example gets a VIP pass to the front of the line.
It's really sad when your position is so incredibly weak that you have no other option but too blatantly belligerently antagonize your opposition...
It's really sad.
"From goo to you"
Um... phrasing? That is actually exactly how conception works. Goo turns into a person over 40 weeks. This dude just ruined his own point in the first 3 minutes.
They always do.
One down vote? Damn you, Kent Hovind lol
Isn't Kent still in prison?
@@freddan6fly Yep he's probably using a smuggled phone lol hope he wiped it first
@@freddan6fly Maybe it was Ken hamm.
I'm disappointed Paul, I really expected better from you!
Strawberry is far inferior to Butter Pecan and I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL! 🍨
Raspberry would win for me :)
Bull, nothing beats chocolate.
I'm going to have to say chocolate chocolate chip
Heretics! Everywhere heretics! Nothing compares to liquorice!
Mint with chocolate chips is the best. Goto hell blasphemers.
No matter where we came from (creation or evolution), we *are here*. We are alive. We can still suffer and die. We still have empathie. Why is that so hard to understand for christian apologists like him?
I suppose the intention was not to live in this world, but to get a ticket to the good hereafter after all. So what's the point of everything without the endgame?
"Not only do I lack the ability to understand science and it's fundamental building blocks, I don't even know anything beyond the name of popular social movements." -some dude in his car
These types of apologists bring a a visceral shock value alright. My shock is shame at how long I was complicit by silence in Christianity.
Welcome to the land of reason. It's a nice place !!
My pun gene was tickled by “crux of the matter”.
Excellent guest (oh, how you grow my sub list) and, of course, great presentation.
Oh my god...I felt a couple of my brain cells die listening to Mark. This is what happens when people have superficial knowledge about stuff and then try to skip the middle and jump to conclusions at the end.
For example?
@@mandelbrotset3908 I mean...the WHOLE video. Have you not watched it yet?
@@wax99 I have. Do you have an example?
@@mandelbrotset3908 mmm, I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, best to err on the side of caution. Let me say it this way, without being mathematically precise but rather simply adequate, about 90% of Mark's argiments are a string of non sequiturs.
@@wax99 I'm a Christian. I'm not trolling. You don't have to provide an example to discuss, but the invitation is open.
I have a hard time listening to Mark. He is so uneducated on so many ways, that he ain't helping his cause. My brain hurts
He’s still a genius next to ray comfort.
Aron Ra gonna be pretty busy this holiday season.
Busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. I betcha Hovinds ass is sore now ha ha.
@@johngavin1175 dude I'm here for it...i can't wait.🤣🤣🤣
This is a a rambling creationist word salad. I don’t have enough bread crumbs to get back home after listening to Mark
Evolution is true no matter what creationists belives
Using George Floyd to make such a crass point manages to make it doubly unpleasant. There is no hate like Christian love.
Eh, I feel like he he just trying to relate that old tired point to turbulence among races in today's age.
The Dutch Reformed Church, one of the great bulwarks of apartheid, spouted all the same "separation of races" vileness as Cynthia mentions. That was until about a year before apartheid finally collapsed, when the writing was clearly on the wall at last. Then they "repented" and applied to join the World Council of Churches, which effectively said "repent a bit more", so they did, and were eventually let in. When will the Southern Baptist Church be applying to join the WCC? Apparently they call the WCC "apostates" and even "the antichrist". I call them and others like them the "Christian Taliban".
Chaliban and CHRISIS.
I'm sooo happy he isn't driving, but I'm afraid he is going to, because no one should drive that messed up... Because, you know, lifes matter.
This Mark character is strong with the straw man, false equivalency and slippery slope fallacies, but little else.
He truly has reached enlightenment
Practically every word that oozed out of his mouth made me wince. I almost don't want to believe I used to be like this, but I did.
I need. "Walking by Sight, NOT by Faith" shirt.
10:38 - OK at first I thought he was trying to argue that "black lives matter" only makes sense in a Christian world view because he was trying to leverage the anger and grief of people of color to convince them that they should be Christian... (Though others have commented that he sounds as though he imagines himself speaking to just a white audience, and he did pivot to "all lives matter" - so I could see how maybe he's rooted in a different philosophy and just using BLM as an example because of the attention it gets)
...But then he lays it out pretty directly at 10:38 - despite the fact that he's all talkin' George Floyd this, George Floyd that, and saying that only Christian values would place intrinsic value on his life in the first place and implying that anyone else only cares about his death because of its "instrumental value" (i.e. as a means to accomplishing political change)... He denies that there's a problem, flatly stating that the concerns of BLM are not legit and that they're just out to stage a revolution... To me, it seems he's refusing to consider that Floyd's death is representative of any kind of more widespread problem, thus cutting off any possibility of fixing such a problem, which effectively goes right against the whole idea that he values Floyd's life in the first place...
If he's really imagining a white audience friendly to his own point of view, this isn't a problem for him - if his audience is hostile toward BLM then his attempt to frame them as an inherently groundless and cynically motivated ideology would play well to them. But from my perspective it's like he just dropped any pretense of caring about these issues... Which maybe wouldn't have been so stunning to me if I'd been more tuned in to the nuance of what he was saying from the start...
It was as nuanced as a sledgehammer to the head for some of us.
If you read the White Too Long book you will see that he is talking to a white-friendly audience.
Oh god the first 4 minutes into this video and i just cant anymore, im tapping out. More power to anyone who has enough brain cells to hear that beyond parody nonsense, i for one, dont.
Keep listening, after a while enough brain cells have died and it all starts to feel sensible.
Yes, praise to the programmers who built the > key to be a fast forward button. That theist was nutz.
@@onedaya_martian1238 No bro, i was a nutty bigot once. This guy... this guy transcends reality.
@@atheisticgreyblob3284 LOL
Why does he say, "evolved pond scum" like a dog whistle? Is this code for something?
It’s just pejorative reductionism, or at least that’s what I think
@@bariumselenided5152 so is it bad to have humble origins? Isn't that like a virtue in our society?
@@sobertillnoon I guess for some people, yeah. But there’s also a lack of recognition that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts in that “evolved pond scum” phrase. When someone says it as if that’s what evolution made us, they’re saying that *all* we are is pond scum still, that we never became people along the way.
(Long ass irrelevant tangent, wouldn’t read past this if I were you)
Plus to be honest, I think rappers more often think of the “made it from the bottom now we here” thing than conservatives do. When conservatives acknowledge that someone bootstrapped up, they only use it to justify their policies. When rappers acknowledge someone for gettin it out the mud, they’re actually congratulating the person for their accomplishment. Cuz like if you think about it, to revel at someone climbing social status against all odds, you have to acknowledge that there is a social ladder, that it is bad to be lower on it, and that it is incredibly difficult to climb. That fits in just fine with the view of the world that oppressed people have, but it goes against what most conservatives like to think. I mean, it’s in the name, they wanna conserve the world we have. They wanna think that it’s all fine and anyone can live a good life no matter what, and if their life sucks it’s cuz they’re lazy. So they can’t really congratulate someone for beating the odds without shooting their own argument in the foot. Instead, they use actual rare examples and treat them as anecdotal evidence and claim that it’s what normally happens whenever you apply yourself properly, thereby insulting anyone who isn’t doing good in life and saying they deserve to be there and chose to be there. In that way, it kinda parallels Christianity a little.
"We give you 15 minutes to explain a vast field of science with hundreds of lines of evidence discovered over hundreds of years." Their very premise shows their ignorance.
This is the best video I've seen in a long time, and I'm only 5 minutes into it so far! I am thoroughly entertained, and Cynthia and Paulogia are providing the perfect commentary to drive the points home in the very best possible ways. (I hope you both team up again in future videos.)
I find the irony of just how much mother nature has more forgiveness and tolerance for her creation than the gods do. Her sciences enabled the human brain to develop structures and processes to the point of being self aware, while theists turn and slap her in the face. Yet she does not seek worship or vengeance for her work, because she is not self aware.
I mean to be fair, that's not exactly a high bar. It's difficult to be less cruel and merciful than all the gods people have made up, especially the abrahamic ones.
OK, I work an "essential" job because we manufacture parts for military aircraft. As per Ellen Lord at the DoD that meant that we could not shut down or reduce workflow... leaving me crammed in an office with a bunch of other people. That's telling me that "essential" means "your life matters less to us than these widgets your job makes".
Also the supermarket workers and pharmacy workers and health providers and transporters and... All of you people who were made to keep working during this pandemic at greater risk than those of us who could lessen our risk by staying home and in my case working from home, you all deserve our thanks for keeping on.
You got to love, and by that I mean hate, how people conflate things like "Evolution" with "Social Darwinism" which is what I think Mark was trying to get at in his somewhat confusing ramble about Jobs, Lives, and Importance? Which has about as much to do as the Theory of Relativity has to do with the musical Transformational Theory. Meaning nothing other than the fact that a similar word is used in the short hand of "Theory". Or "Darwin" in the case of Evolution and Social Darwinism.
Xtains always have everything ass-backward; to them, this life is just a temporary earth visit in which they are going on to a new and better existence after this life. If I could trade my crappy body for a better android body today, I would do it today. Yet it is funny how xtains are more obsessed with death than me. Almost as if their fanaticism was overcompensation for doubt?
Every religion thinks of life this way. Christians are just the scapegoat ya'll use.
Do I see a troll that doesn't address the actual question? Of course I do. Why am I not surprised?🙄
@@zen-sufi I mean. Troll or not I'm not below feeding ya. Christianity is the biggest. So why go after Islam or anything else when you can appeal to the larger audience
You obviously don't worry about death but when you take your last breath hang on
@@timsmith530 the only thing ill be worrying about is "why can't I brea..."
I've always found that understanding something makes it worthless.. Makes perfect sense..
Yep. That's why I just smash my head on the tap. I worry that if I understand how it works, I will stop enjoying quenching my thirst.
This was a great perspective today. Please have Cynthia back again. Thank!
"Slaves obey your masters." - Jeebus
I like how he couldn't be bothered to sit down anywhere suited for broadcast, he's just streaming from his car.
Great guest , I really like Cynthia .
If this is one of their best arguments against evolution I don't believe we have much to worry about, it's completely asinine.
I'm shocked that he didn't bring up the "survival of the fittest" angle because any type of violence that's done towards George Floyd or any other black person can be justified by the survival of the fittest part of evolution.
I hate how these types of people have corrupted and misused that phrase. Its original meaning wasn't that only the biggest and meanest things survived, it was the ones best fit for their environment that survived. In a wasteland with little food or water it's not the elephant or the bear that's best fit for that environment, it's the mouse or the insect because their small size makes them far less likely to starve to death or die of dehydration.
@@armedweiss5531 That's one meaning of the phrase, of course, words have the tendency of evolving and changing over time: ¿your point?
@@armedweiss5531 P.S. scarcity has nothing to do with the environment, it has to do with resources. Any environment could have scarcity.
@@theflaggedyoutuberii4311 I know that words change over time and that scarcity isn't the only thing that can influence life's survival, that's just an example I came up with. But these anti-science evolution denier types use "survival of the fittest" as a means of justifying cruelty to other people and especially non-human animals, when that was never the original intention or meaning of the phrase.
@@armedweiss5531 Not in any way calling you a liar, but I'm skeptical about everything, can you give me a primary example of an anti-science activist using the phrase: 'survival of the fittest' (which is ironically enough a phrase based in science) to justify atrocities that they did.
I always find it hilarious and sad when the group that follows a book that tells them they are worthless, encourages slavery, rape and genocide, and that nothing in this life matters, claim that the people who have found rational reasons to value the lives of all people can't value life under their world view.
it honestly bothers me that so many religious people cannot conceive that it's possible to value life, or other people, without divine interference. Even when I was religious I didn't think that way.
“If evolution is true then why do Black Lives Matter” is one of the dumber sentences I’ve heard in a while.
It’s like if someone said “If the theory of plate tectonics is correct then how does one justify thinking slavery is wrong.”
Never listen to a person ranting from a car. Doing it from a car says that even your family thinks your nuts.
I suppose that ultimately no lives do matter.
But in regards to the present, and the general goal of minimizing suffering because I realize that I, myself, do not enjoy suffering and so most other living beings don't either, I certainly can put value on life rather than just death.
So the guy prepares a speech and then presents it from inside a car? Weird. Plus his speech is a jumble of hate-fevered Christian rhetoric.
CarTheists.
This guy took the hilarious argument "there is no truth without god" and somehow made it worse, while also demonstrating he doesn't see any intrinsic value in non whites. Except for the value his god tells him there is.
To be fair that's like saying someone who says "kill all humans" and going "oh you mean kill all the Mexicans too? Racist" like, he doesn't think God just gives inherent value to non-whites he things God does it for everything to begin with and he's using a specific example.
Like, I'm all team atheist but I don't like mischaracterization
@@alucardican9785 that's fair. I guess my issue is the specific example...and him saying "without my god, BLM doesn't even make sense" and that'd what he said. He didn't say "without my god, all life doesn't" (except to cushion his main argument: black lives only matter with god) but that was probably me just unfairly characterizing his points. I still think its disgusting that he thinks people have no intrinsic value without god (esp then to single out blm in his video). To me, this was as much an attempt to discredit BLM as much as it is to discredit atheism. Otherwise...he would have just stuck with the age old "all life is meaningless without god" instead of specifying blm. But that's just my opinion, and I'll admit my bias, and thank u for the fair reply. Take care
@@inefffable and you're completely free to think that, because I might be being too nice.. I like these calm interactions. You take care as well
@@alucardican9785 I think the thing that put me over the edge of "this guy is letting his racism seep out of the cracks" is when he said "supposed marginalized people" implying the things BLM are fighting for all perceived and don't actually exist - regardless of the underlying argument of "without god everything is meaningless." But who knows, maybe I'm still misunderstanding his argument and he still meant "you can only perceive the bad things if my god is real." But either way, big oooooof from me lol.
Agreed, thanks :)
@@inefffable oh no I perfectly understand he said what he said in a really weird and fucked up way. But my point was that I don't see how the "supposed marginalization" made him a racist. And he might be against the blm movement. I'm black and can fully understand and recognize why people have a problem with blm and I can understand views on racism. But I wouldn't put inherent racist on him ya know? Not just cause "god said that yall are people too" he just chose the wrong way to try and relate his point to modern day issues.
I like how 3 minutes in he's conflated existentialism with evolutionism. Totally the same thing.
"From goo to you by way of the zoo"
Why yes. My father did utilize "the goo" to make me by doing like they do on the Discovery Channel.
This video by spence was a click bait cry for attention from a sad little man who needs people to look at him so he spouts this racial nonsense to elicit responses… very sad little man.
Eh, I just really don't see it as trying to elicit response like others think it is. Like I see it more like taking the old tired argument of "life doesn't matter without god" and trying to apply it to today's stuff. He just kinda handled it like a bumbling idiot
Apologies Paulogia, I had to stop watching around the 6 minute mark, I just couldn't listen to this "christian" anymore. I love your videos and will try the next one :)
There is a book called _From goo to you by the way of the Zoo_ this is why the keep saying it. It would be interesting to see you critique the book.
He says absolutely nothing that actually ties shared ancestry across several species to living things only having "instrumental value". Nothing he says serves to show how the latter arises from the former, now how it would not do so in its absence.
I can't speak for everybody but in my opinion Christianity was one of the worst things that could have happened to Black Americans. There was a such a thing called the slave Bible.
I like how apologists go out of their way to paint atheists and agnostics as irrational and ridiculous. They do have a tendency to use a "no, you!" mentality, not unlike an angry child who doesn't know how to defend their position, so they just parrot accusations they've heard against themselves
Gotta love the refutations of well established scientific consensus via car seat dash cam. 😂
"Humans have intrinsic value in Christianity" - so why will 99% of them end up in hell?
Thank you and Cynthia for sitting through this mindless dribble how you do it is beyond me. If just once these people would have even one fact that could be debated it would surprise the hell out of me.
Excellent video. Cynthia McDonald has a way of explaining things which really cuts to the heart of the message.
They're still using my name and face in their advertising? Should I be flattered?
"No Lives matter to Evolutionists", yeah? I mean, I could be wrong but isn't the question of "does live matter?" a value judgement? aren't value judgement 100% dependend on "Should"s and science is about "is"s. And Hume taught us something. In other words, yeah, you are right, weird dude, "Is"s doesn't gives us "Should"s.
Meanwhile, Christians have made it clear for most of their history that life means nothing to them, especially the lives of pagans, "heretics", and Jews.
Mark's comments are beyond cringeworthy. I don't even know how to respond to the things that he said.
Naturalistic materialism, the philosophy which lies beneath the theory of evolution, cannot provide a basis for human life to have any real value.
@@mandelbrotset3908 what? First of all, your comment has nothing to do with his horrible, stupid, and ignorant comments. Secondly, who gives a f*ck? We are a society and most people are born with empathy. Evolution is absolutely a fact. Belief in a sky fairy cannot change that. Aside from all of that, you can accept evolution as a fact and still believe in a deity or deities. Lastly, nothing underlies evolution. There is no underlying philosophy. Evolution is science.
@@DaveCM you do realize that each of the various scientific methods have underlying philosophical assumptions, right?
@@mandelbrotset3908 Yeah, people should stick to believing bronze and iron age fables to make themselves feel better and feel special.
Poor little snowflakes.
@@mandelbrotset3908 Define "real" value. As opposed to what other kind of value? How would you define "not real value" vs. "real value"?
16:00 Reminds me of the joke where the guy is searching in the one spot where there's light. Of course, you search the darkness, we've already seen everything where the lights good.
That “cop” was behaving unprofessionally, evolution has nothing to do with a bad public servant. He continued not doing his job right, even as he was told he was wrong. We pay public servants to work for us, not to act criminally.
By the way, if any Christian here wants to understand how this race issue came to be watch the YT video Protestant supremacy and Wiki George Whitefield, the founder of Evangelical Christianity
I have never understood this type of person, who keenly explain how THEY see no value of life unless it was magically created, not realizing isn't an argument for theism but instead explain how morally bankrupt they are.
And as pointed out, if the eternal afterlife would have existed, it would render the miniscule time of life kinda pointless in comparison.
Why is it important for things to have intrinsic value? I can state that I see no intrinsic value in any life (no lives inherently matter), and still decide to put in the effort of evaluating each living thing I encounter.
Is it the effort? Too much work to honestly analyze things?
The issue is that deep down we all know that this life matters. That deeply rooted knowledge is inconsistent with the logical conclusions of naturalistic evolution.
@@mandelbrotset3908 no. No we dont. All of the people who commit suicide stand in direct contrast to that statement, just as one set of examples.
@@rich4469 do you believe truth matters?
@@mandelbrotset3908 defined as "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality", yes.
@@mandelbrotset3908 How exactly is the notion that life matters "inconsistent with the logical conclusions of naturalistic evolution"?
This seamy Xtian's Point of View (POV) is better described as Point of Skew (POS), but using phrases like "Truth doesn't care" is also unfortunate in that it imbues the meaning of "Truth" as being an entity or, even worse, a Being. Truth, as a goal achieved, is wholly dependent on the Accuracy with which one describes whatever one is talking about.
13:20 Cynthia's accent is uncomfortably clean. Bravo to making my skin crawl. Exactly the feeling I get from the words themselves.
Would you be able to make a list or roundup of other pieces of media you've made an appearance in? Podcast interviews, TH-cam collaborations, etc. Stuff that hasn't been shared here?
Is there a place you already let people know about this stuff?
th-cam.com/video/78NQtotfdJI/w-d-xo.html
so much bullsh!t, so little related (even slightly) to evolution. sigh...
and when does mark present a testable claim about anything currently explained with the theory of evolution?
I enjoyed Cynthia -- so direct, so clear,
I'm glad to see you coming back to this series