You said exactly what I was thinking after being unsure about how to feel about this film.Thanks for clearing up my feelings on a movie made by a director I love while accepting him to not hit the mark once and a while. Excellent review Alachia.
I laughed so hard when you said "I'm actually okay with ethical killing of animals" while your little dog is in the background watching you lol. Great review btw :)
I'm glad you brought up Snow Piercer, The Protector with Tony Jaa are two great examples of what Okja was trying to attempt. Chicken Run was a better example with comedy thrown in to boot.
Continued abuse of animals on farms is one of the reasons why it becomes increasingly harder to support Factory Farms. You can tell that on some farms there is no oversight at all... Wisconsin farm workers charged with animal abuse th-cam.com/video/oIAjb5Du0uo/w-d-xo.html Animal Abuse Exposed at “American Humane Certified” Foster Farms Slaughterhouse th-cam.com/video/vBZW2FKs8qs/w-d-xo.html At the same time, there are methods that are seen as abuse that I think are part of technologically evolving to accommodate the mass production of meat. I think it's fair to say that while these methods are not developed to torture the animals, we as a society have begun to change what we consider acceptable conditions for animals we eat. However, as long as meat is being mass produced, I do favor techniques and technology that help stream line the industry in the most humane way possible. HSUS Whistleblower Speaks Out in Favor of Pig Farms th-cam.com/video/oQ_XJDZrzTM/w-d-xo.html Video Tour of a Pork Plant Featuring Temple Grandin th-cam.com/video/LsEbvwMipJI/w-d-xo.html Zomg..this fish got Ramsey Bolton'd! Japanese Street Food - LIVE FUGU PUFFERFISH Puffer Fish Japan th-cam.com/video/4xD3wfp1LAA/w-d-xo.html I much prefer free range animals and their products to factory farm. I'm just not sure that such methods are sustainable as our population of meat eaters increases. Meat eating is part of the human culture. I think shaming people for eating meat isn't the way to change how we go forward. I think educating people on facts about meat and non meat alternative lifestyles is the best method to see long term change. I'm working towards reducing meat consumption but at the same time, I enjoy the balance of meat in my diet. Eating animals has been a huge part of our history and relationship with animals. As it becomes massively industrialized, that relationship is deteriorating and I wonder if at a certain point we shouldn't be moving toward synthetic meat entirely (the impossible burger). I'm still open to learning about this issue as I see both sides right now pretty equally.
Alachia Queen I disagree with this. I think it just uses a corporation as a plot device but this was a fantasy, very Disney like and didn't take it that seriously. But kids watching it will be affected by it cos they're nieve
Alachia Queen ultimately what your saying here is "I'm cool with 'humane slaughter'". In reality there is no such thing as humane slaughter. Free range is a joke. Not only is it unsustainable, it is actually no different in the end as an industrialized slaughter house. People always want to hear good news about their bad habits. Smarter folks like yourself will use things like appeal to nature an appeal to tradition fallacy to support your arguments about things that I am pretty sure you know are wrong in your heart. The fact that you are an animal lover tells me all I need to know about you on this issue. You have a huge voice. I really enjoy your channel you're wrong on this one. I mean that respectfully of course.
Jeremy Ni see, you try to push your ideology directly and heavy handed, and my instant internal response is 'piss off, I'll eat an extra animal for every one you don't eat'
I'm fine with eating genetically grown food as long as nothing dangerous is being added and it was identical to original meat cells. However why can't we eat animals that die of natural causes after running around free? You can add a sensor that detects pulse and will tell you when that animal has died
Im a vegan and an animal lover, and I have real issues with the meat industry, but youre right that its not so black and white and simplistic. I think some people might even need the nutrition of animals whereas others can survive without them(different metabolisms). I think making the issue so simplistic reduces it to a straw man kind of argument.
It's worse than simplistic: it's counterproductive. There is a middle ground to be met between meat-eaters, vegans and people who follow other forms of diet. I will believe that to my dying day. But people who beat their chests with one hand and jerk off with the other (and there's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to that) just hold things up. I am not a vegan, but I believe in building bridges.
I eat meat but agree with alot of what the film says. I don't believe any animals who are farmed for food have a good life, free range or not. And I don't think they have made the super pigs a lot more intelligent as pigs are very intelligent animals. The cows and pigs going into slaughter houses in real life can sense and smell and feel something bad is happening. They maybe don't know that they are going to be killed tho.
I don't even like animals, but I will admit that killing sentient animals :In today's world: is unnecessary right? I eat meat too and I love it, but even I have to admit that it's kinda fucked up that we're breeding animals so they can die because we like how they taste 😕.. Why not try fake meat? I heard it doesn't taste like cardboard anymore 😖 I know I sound like a hypocrite but I'm actually going to be Vegan in the future, I just wanna make sure I'm doing this right, the way I want to.
Congrats on making the decision to go vegan! You'll be doing a great thing for animals and our planet, not to mention your health 😊 It really is completely unnecessary to kill and treat animals the way we do, and that makes it even more tragic.
From my understanding of genetic modification, the reason so many people are against it is because of the exploitative patenting process, not because of the nutritional content. The free range argument is a tale as old as time, and the truth is that factory farming will never be 100% ethical and the majority of meat comes from these farms. The free range subset is not a sustainable alternative for the average meat eater, because they can't produce enough meat for every meat lover.
I understood what this movie was going for from the get go, but still really enjoyed it. Every movie has an agenda. Some are just subtle about it. However this movie knew what it was and went full on with it and I loved every second of it. It really is good movie imo and worth checking out. I respect your opinion though and see where you're coming from.
Lemba Plants don't have consciousness like animals but they do interact with the world around them. There's a new field called plant intelligence that is trying to figure out how
I enjoyed this movie. I haven't objected entirely switching to plant based diet, but for the time being I also don't object to eating meat in every meal I have today. I don't overly consume meat, I won't eat poultry and pork and beef all in one sitting...except for when I'm at Arby`s, at which point I eat all varieties of meat at once for the full experience. I don't recommend only eating meat, but I do recommend if you do make sure it's cooked thoroughly and delicious.
I didn't think it was anti meat, more anti gmo and consumerism (probably corporatism). The film seemed to be ok with naturally caught fish (I thought Okja ate it), chicken more a return to naturalism (there's a different term I don't remember). I liked it, but then again I don;t eat red meat anyway haha
khany82 The Netflix branch in my country has a hashtag marketing that translates to "ForOkja" encouraging/guilting people to stop eating meat/animals. So at least in my country, this movie is marketed as anti-meat too.
J-Star The other thing I was thinking about was marriage i.e. society, how it seemed a gold pig represents it although it was quite a small reference it might mean just general rejection of how all aspects of life is turned into a commodity,
Well hey, that was totally my reaction to the movie: stop shoving your agenda down my throat, movie. Am I pro animal cruelty or pro evil corporations? HELL NO, no thank you. But that doesn't mean I need a heavy-handed lecture presented in film form. Realistically, even if you put the agenda situation aside, the movie itself is all over the place: the tone is very inconsistent, some of the acting is very over the top, the characters are one-dimensional, the story is very by-the-numbers. And that ending? SPOILERS... Yay we saved one pig. Rejoice! Because movie logic. Oskar Schindler would like to say "I could have got more out. I could have got more."
The movie didn't even have a strong agenda. The director said this film was just food for thought, and he's not even vegan. Vegans have to deal with meat eaters agendas every day. Quit playing the victim. If you don't like it you don't have to watch it.
Hmm? "Victim" is a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? I just said I don't want to get preached to when I sit down to watch a fictional story. The director has made some outstanding films in the past that I have loved, so yea, I'm going to check out his newest one-it was one of my most anticipated films of the year. I can't know what the movie is like until I watch it so the whole "if you don't like it you don't have to watch it" doesn't work here. And as I said, _Okja_ has more problems than just being heavy-handed.
I was curious what your opinion was on this. I haven't watched your wrap up video yet cuz I wanted to film my Beguiled video before I watched it. I never watch a review of a film before I've done my own. So yay. just finished my Beguiled review so I can finally watch the video. :) what's even worse about this film is that it's co-written by a guy who did this fascinating study on internet shaming.. brilliant work.. for him to have co-written such a heavy handed movie made no sense to me. I was hoping they were going to go for an over the top parody of the entire industry or just go straight horror. neither happened sadly.
Can't wait to hear what you have to say about _The Beguiled_! I'm the same way, I don't watch any reviews until I film my own :) I was hoping _Okja_ was going to be more along the lines of _The Host_ though obviously the superpig is no monster, but I definitely was expecting a cohesive tone throughout the whole thing. It's like they couldn't pick which type of movie they wanted to film.
I don't think this film had an agenda or was intended to be didactic at all, and I honestly feel as though many people who react that way are either projecting their own mixed feelings about eating meat or where within this story / world they would be placed, or just not viewing the film objectively. It would be like watching Godzilla and saying it had an anti-American agenda since he represents nuclear war; that would be a reflection of you, not the film's intent. But either way, I thought it was creative, and the scattered nature to me is what made it more interesting. I feel as though with such a lack of creative films being produced these days, it's refreshing to see something like this.
I'm totally against the consumption of meat. The mere thought of eating an animal angers me almost as much as not having mayo to go on a tasty hamburger.
she sometimes sits there while I'm working and takes a nap. for these videos, I think she's amped up cuz all the lights and me talking to myself. She's a very well trained dog though...except when it comes to food.. then she's rabid.
I happened to pause the video at 25 minutes 35 seconds in to look at the comments, but LOL, perfect screen cap of Alachia - Alachia chewing with a contemplative look to her left with strip of bacon between finger and thumb (no little finger pointing out), with Party animal T-Shirt. Daisy equidistant in shot from her left shoulder as bacon in her left hand (with diasy slight head tilt - in-line with plane of minotor). Equidistant triangles formed in shot with wierd duck thing on the floor, alachia's left hand, alachia's head, WTF image on monitor of animal thing, Darth Vader and Batman and mini deadpool by the swear jar. I've probably been watching too much Nerdwriter :P (nearly deleted comment)
They should've brought in Jason Statham to do Jason Statham things to protect the Super Pig (kinda like Statham's movie Safe) so the movie isn't boring to watch.
Alachia Queen I only watch Stuckman's, Jeremy Jahn's and yours reviews. I enjoy them very much. I was wondering why none of you did a review on this trailer because the first one it is a really good movie. I once criticized your review on the last Bourne's but then I rectified myself and apologized to you. I think you do a great job. Best regards
I think it was clear from the trailer this was going to have sledgehammer subtlety when it came to pushing an agenda. Having that expectation from the start made it easier for me to appreciate. I'd give it a solid B, I personally enjoyed my 2 hours with this film.
Homegirl, I love all your reviews and agree with almost all your views on movies, but I disagree with your thoughts in this video (I agree this was a trash movie but your POV on Veganism and the food industry I cant get behind)
I was hoping that Okja would be more when handed and mock the capitalism driven meat industry and anti-meat groups equally, but sadly we didn't get that.
I agree, this film was dull as hell, but my big problem was that both the bad guys (the meat industry) and the good guys (the animal lib front) were just SO GODDAMN CARTOON-ISH. I half expected Tilda Swinton to spontaneously grow a handlebar mustache and start twirling it while I thought the good guys were going to sprout angelic wings and sunshine shining out of their ass. They're presented almost like a goddamn cult (and if you're looking at the vegan community online, they're not very far off.) It was absurd. Princess Mononoke had the same theme/message of industry vs. nature and managed to be less cartoon-ish and it was a goddamn cartoon.
I knew what this movie was going to be from the trailer. It looked about as subtle as Bambi. Any time it comes out that a lot of the food that I eat was hunted for and killed by me, the Bambi thing always comes up. It is a visual representation of a liberal orgasm. This falls right into line with that bullshit. I've about had it with people preaching to me that I'm an evil asshole for being white, a man, a meat eater, and cisgender. So, I'll definitely will be passing on this one.
Alachia, I don't know if anyone mentioned to you but I just watched Fifty shades of black, and the female lead reminded me of you. simmilar voice and look in the film
it's ridiculously naive to think that given the fact of genetic manipulation and how we've fostered an industry to create and allow life to perpetuate itself that would fuckin die and get slaughtered immediately without our care... do not live great lives.
Manjikoa I used to work for family "organic" farms (3) and no, they are not the "happy dappy wholesome place" for animals. they still get slaughtered at the end of the day, theyre still locked in a huge room still squishing against one another, we would cut off their beaks and claws so they didnt eat one another from hunger (even though we fed them alot). and even if they lived on fields, roaming the land, theyre still not free, they end up getging slaughtered when their time came and u can know they grew sad when they knew it was time. no living being wants to die. not u or me and not any other species on this planet, we all desire to live. imagine you lived on a field,living ur life, up until someone told you that your life is over and slit your throat? go vegan and stop contributing to suffering and death. if I, as a person who worked on these horrible farms, can change my way of life, so can u.
Bacon, omm nom nom. Hugs and love. Thank you for your channel. You have an honesty that helps me handle my Aspergers and depression, like Jordan b. Peterson. Thank you.
I agree with every single thing you've said. I hate how they portray this issue so black and white, it's way more complex than that, yeah, the meat (or food in general really) industry is fucked up most of the time, but like, ok, wanna talk cruelty & "cruelty free" food, why don't we also talk about how there are 5 year olds in 3rd world countries being exploited to pick up the vegetables you eat or how many industries basically have slaves... no matter how morally superior you think you are, most things you use and buy hurt someone in some shape or form. And like, you can be vegan if you want, and be anti meat if u want and it's really respectable an admirable even, but you also need to realize some people can't be vegan either for health related situations or simply because they don't have access or money to get healthy/vegan food, so yeah... this isn't good vs evil, it's way more complex. Also the anti GMO thing, they're not inherently bad, you can put more nutrients into food to help out people with a limited access to it, and we've been genetically modifying stuff since the beginning of agriculture itself so... what's the deal
btw, what you said about fish being filleted alive, they're not actually alive, well... i'm sure that may have happened somewhere at some point but usually... what happens is the cells and nerves can still react to stimulus even after dead, so the salt and condiments make it twitch even if they're already dead and not even connected to the brain anymore, it also happens to frog legs (clearly not alive), even lizard tails when cut off by some accident or whatever can move around for a while... so yeah.
You're essentially saying that because we can't eliminate all cruelty in our food system by changing what we eat we shouldn't even try. That's a pretty weak argument. I choose to do what I CAN do, which is not eat animals and cause them pain and suffering. I know I'm reducing exploitation of sentient beings in the world, and that's a good thing.
I am not sure that any anmal being farmed for food will live a happy life? Would you lead a happy life if you are aware that you are raised and care for to be, ultimately someones' food? That said, idealistic people can be seriously detached from reality. Just be grateful you have meat or food to eat.
rshadio Dogs are actually bred by man from wolves, they wouldn't exist in nature without our interference. This cross breeding is old-time gmo before the manipulation that goes on at a deeper level now. So is kale. So I smirk when I see comments about the 'godgiven' things we have, from the mind of man.
Jake Gs character was completely annoying & any time he was on screen I wished it would just end. Besides that I totally loved the movie but the end was shit & felt rushed
So sad to see people dressing dogs like they're little dolls to play with. You want to dress and treat animals like humans, get a baby. Let the dog be a dog.
You should be sad for dressing a dog at all an treat him like your toy. It's fucking ridiculous. And I had already moved away from it, too bad your reply brought me back to the comment section again. I love your videos by the way.
But you left the comments section on. But not to worry - I. WILL. BE. NICE. Here goes: You are actually the only one that I have heard that makes sense. How evil it is to kill adorable giant pig/hippo (pigpo) and turn them into delicious sausages and how dare they try and solve the planet's food crisis. The movie by the way sucks on many levels except the little Korean girl and the CGI. Jake Gyllenhaal acted like he had a gun to his head.
The easiest way to solve the world's food crisis is for everyone to go vegan. We currently grow enough crops to feed 10-11 billion people, but we feed to much of that to livestock reducing the number of available calories to the point that we can't even feed our 7 billion.
You have such a cute dog and you look so lovely, other thing your videos are a bit too serious and to long, and i understand you want to put out the message. Other question, you look so cool and cute, you should get yourself a nice partner. that will make your life faster and you will be less serious on horrific subjects like the food industry and world pollution.
My mum was a hardcore vegan so i grew up a weak child, i eat some meat nowadays but do my best to buy and support freerange suppliers. Factory farming is a massive problem and it's only get worse as the population grows, there are no simple solutions like some vegan(Gain)s would say, it's not just the governments job to fix things like this, it's the peoples job too. (buy freerange and boycot factory farmed foods) Cool vid, shame about the movie and love your dog.
we humans need to simply learn how to deal with our sensitivity and ignorance. once we're upright on that, all the wrong we do will be visible and eventually stop. no more need for unnecessary "part of human culture requirements".
There was a little undercutting when the non-violent people became violent and the girl's fave food is chicken stew or whatever (think she was eating fish with Grandpa earlier, too -- the hypocrisy of some "vegetarians"...), but it wasn't enough. And two so-so Swintons -- just as in Hail, Caesar! -- does not equal a good Swinton. Boring AF.
Snowpiercer was terrible like most Korean movies. And no most farm animals don't have better lives than humans and neither are they loved like pets by their owners. How much love could you have for your dog if you planned to eat it?
Honestly you seem intelligent and it's surprising how negative you are about this movie and how you thought it was force-feeding it's agenda to you (no pun intended). It's a brilliant movie that obviously outsmarted you. Re-watch it. It's a mockery of the current state of the food industry and the nature of humanity. It's much deeper than pushing some agenda you could even argue that the movie made the point that there's no point in being a vegan because there's no hope anyways and the people in power will always win and profit.
your dog is listening so intently to you....hehe she is so cute.
Daisy looks intrigued; she is probably happy that she is not China. (she would be Okja there)
I dunno how shes so well behaved lol
You said exactly what I was thinking after being unsure about how to feel about this film.Thanks for clearing up my feelings on a movie made by a director I love while accepting him to not hit the mark once and a while. Excellent review Alachia.
I started practicing vegetarianism because I could never imagine myself killing animals with my own hands unless I was in a life or death situation.
I laughed so hard when you said "I'm actually okay with ethical killing of animals" while your little dog is in the background watching you lol. Great review btw :)
I thought Snowpiercer was just as subtle as Okja (=not subtle) but still enjoyed both
I'm glad you brought up Snow Piercer, The Protector with Tony Jaa are two great examples of what Okja was trying to attempt. Chicken Run was a better example with comedy thrown in to boot.
Continued abuse of animals on farms is one of the reasons why it becomes increasingly harder to support Factory Farms. You can tell that on some farms there is no oversight at all...
Wisconsin farm workers charged with animal abuse
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Animal Abuse Exposed at “American Humane Certified” Foster Farms Slaughterhouse
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At the same time, there are methods that are seen as abuse that I think are part of technologically evolving to accommodate the mass production of meat. I think it's fair to say that while these methods are not developed to torture the animals, we as a society have begun to change what we consider acceptable conditions for animals we eat. However, as long as meat is being mass produced, I do favor techniques and technology that help stream line the industry in the most humane way possible.
HSUS Whistleblower Speaks Out in Favor of Pig Farms
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Video Tour of a Pork Plant Featuring Temple Grandin
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Zomg..this fish got Ramsey Bolton'd!
Japanese Street Food - LIVE FUGU PUFFERFISH Puffer Fish Japan
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I much prefer free range animals and their products to factory farm. I'm just not sure that such methods are sustainable as our population of meat eaters increases.
Meat eating is part of the human culture. I think shaming people for eating meat isn't the way to change how we go forward. I think educating people on facts about meat and non meat alternative lifestyles is the best method to see long term change. I'm working towards reducing meat consumption but at the same time, I enjoy the balance of meat in my diet.
Eating animals has been a huge part of our history and relationship with animals. As it becomes massively industrialized, that relationship is deteriorating and I wonder if at a certain point we shouldn't be moving toward synthetic meat entirely (the impossible burger).
I'm still open to learning about this issue as I see both sides right now pretty equally.
Alachia Queen dude ur extremely cool
Alachia Queen I disagree with this. I think it just uses a corporation as a plot device but this was a fantasy, very Disney like and didn't take it that seriously. But kids watching it will be affected by it cos they're nieve
Alachia Queen ultimately what your saying here is "I'm cool with 'humane slaughter'". In reality there is no such thing as humane slaughter. Free range is a joke. Not only is it unsustainable, it is actually no different in the end as an industrialized slaughter house. People always want to hear good news about their bad habits. Smarter folks like yourself will use things like appeal to nature an appeal to tradition fallacy to support your arguments about things that I am pretty sure you know are wrong in your heart. The fact that you are an animal lover tells me all I need to know about you on this issue. You have a huge voice. I really enjoy your channel you're wrong on this one. I mean that respectfully of course.
Jeremy Ni see, you try to push your ideology directly and heavy handed, and my instant internal response is 'piss off, I'll eat an extra animal for every one you don't eat'
I'm fine with eating genetically grown food as long as nothing dangerous is being added and it was identical to original meat cells.
However why can't we eat animals that die of natural causes after running around free? You can add a sensor that detects pulse and will tell you when that animal has died
I have not had meat for eight years and it has not given me any negative effects. Just a bit healthier and leaner.
Congratulations on 8 years! I'm at 5.
I actually loved this movie a lot. It was fun and very sad movie.
Im a vegan and an animal lover, and I have real issues with the meat industry, but youre right that its not so black and white and simplistic. I think some people might even need the nutrition of animals whereas others can survive without them(different metabolisms). I think making the issue so simplistic reduces it to a straw man kind of argument.
It's worse than simplistic: it's counterproductive. There is a middle ground to be met between meat-eaters, vegans and people who follow other forms of diet. I will believe that to my dying day. But people who beat their chests with one hand and jerk off with the other (and there's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to that) just hold things up. I am not a vegan, but I believe in building bridges.
an Asian woman joking about eating her dog. now that's a punchline
I love videos with Daisy she's so well trained.
I laughed!
I eat meat but agree with alot of what the film says. I don't believe any animals who are farmed for food have a good life, free range or not. And I don't think they have made the super pigs a lot more intelligent as pigs are very intelligent animals. The cows and pigs going into slaughter houses in real life can sense and smell and feel something bad is happening. They maybe don't know that they are going to be killed tho.
True. Pigs are smarter than 3 year old human children.
I don't even like animals, but I will admit that killing sentient animals :In today's world: is unnecessary right? I eat meat too and I love it, but even I have to admit that it's kinda fucked up that we're breeding animals so they can die because we like how they taste 😕.. Why not try fake meat? I heard it doesn't taste like cardboard anymore 😖 I know I sound like a hypocrite but I'm actually going to be Vegan in the future, I just wanna make sure I'm doing this right, the way I want to.
Congrats on making the decision to go vegan! You'll be doing a great thing for animals and our planet, not to mention your health 😊 It really is completely unnecessary to kill and treat animals the way we do, and that makes it even more tragic.
FriedRice2009 Congratulations! Celebrate by eating something dead!😊
From my understanding of genetic modification, the reason so many people are against it is because of the exploitative patenting process, not because of the nutritional content. The free range argument is a tale as old as time, and the truth is that factory farming will never be 100% ethical and the majority of meat comes from these farms. The free range subset is not a sustainable alternative for the average meat eater, because they can't produce enough meat for every meat lover.
I understood what this movie was going for from the get go, but still really enjoyed it. Every movie has an agenda. Some are just subtle about it. However this movie knew what it was and went full on with it and I loved every second of it. It really is good movie imo and worth checking out. I respect your opinion though and see where you're coming from.
Thanks for helping me avoid another bad film Alachia!
We're consumers. Something must die in order for us to live. Just because plants can't move doesn't mean that their leaves are clean.
Yeah, I'm sure plants have consciousness like animals do. That poor cabbage.
Plants don't have a central nervous system, and unlike animals we can't live without plants.
Lemba Plants don't have consciousness like animals but they do interact with the world around them. There's a new field called plant intelligence that is trying to figure out how
Michael Linde Plants can't live without animals either and some animals don't have central nervous system either like starfish and clams.
Yey! I've been waiting for your review since you are one of the few reviewers I follow that reviews movies solely distributed by Netflix in the US.
something that also bothered me is the fact that they said that food was running out. food is NOT running out, it is just badly distributed.
I enjoyed this movie. I haven't objected entirely switching to plant based diet, but for the time being I also don't object to eating meat in every meal I have today. I don't overly consume meat, I won't eat poultry and pork and beef all in one sitting...except for when I'm at Arby`s, at which point I eat all varieties of meat at once for the full experience. I don't recommend only eating meat, but I do recommend if you do make sure it's cooked thoroughly and delicious.
You don't overly consume meat yet you eat meat at literally every meal? Right.
I didn't think it was anti meat, more anti gmo and consumerism (probably corporatism). The film seemed to be ok with naturally caught fish (I thought Okja ate it), chicken more a return to naturalism (there's a different term I don't remember). I liked it, but then again I don;t eat red meat anyway haha
Agreed. I didn't think it was anti meat either. Not once did that even occur to me. It was most def anti GMO.
khany82 The Netflix branch in my country has a hashtag marketing that translates to "ForOkja" encouraging/guilting people to stop eating meat/animals. So at least in my country, this movie is marketed as anti-meat too.
J-Star The other thing I was thinking about was marriage i.e. society, how it seemed a gold pig represents it although it was quite a small reference it might mean just general rejection of how all aspects of life is turned into a commodity,
Button Nose I can definetly see that from the marketers could turn it into that agenda, which country btw?
khany82 Philippines
Basically this movie is the cinematic equivalent of a PETA PSA that compares the livestock industry to the holocaust.
You're one of the most balanced and thoughtful reviewers on TH-cam. Appreciate your take on this movie, very well thought out
Thank you!
Watched this. Went and got a steak and egg breakfast.
How original.
Well hey, that was totally my reaction to the movie: stop shoving your agenda down my throat, movie. Am I pro animal cruelty or pro evil corporations? HELL NO, no thank you. But that doesn't mean I need a heavy-handed lecture presented in film form. Realistically, even if you put the agenda situation aside, the movie itself is all over the place: the tone is very inconsistent, some of the acting is very over the top, the characters are one-dimensional, the story is very by-the-numbers. And that ending? SPOILERS...
Yay we saved one pig. Rejoice! Because movie logic.
Oskar Schindler would like to say "I could have got more out. I could have got more."
The movie didn't even have a strong agenda. The director said this film was just food for thought, and he's not even vegan. Vegans have to deal with meat eaters agendas every day. Quit playing the victim. If you don't like it you don't have to watch it.
Hmm? "Victim" is a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? I just said I don't want to get preached to when I sit down to watch a fictional story. The director has made some outstanding films in the past that I have loved, so yea, I'm going to check out his newest one-it was one of my most anticipated films of the year. I can't know what the movie is like until I watch it so the whole "if you don't like it you don't have to watch it" doesn't work here. And as I said, _Okja_ has more problems than just being heavy-handed.
I was curious what your opinion was on this. I haven't watched your wrap up video yet cuz I wanted to film my Beguiled video before I watched it. I never watch a review of a film before I've done my own. So yay. just finished my Beguiled review so I can finally watch the video. :)
what's even worse about this film is that it's co-written by a guy who did this fascinating study on internet shaming.. brilliant work.. for him to have co-written such a heavy handed movie made no sense to me. I was hoping they were going to go for an over the top parody of the entire industry or just go straight horror. neither happened sadly.
Can't wait to hear what you have to say about _The Beguiled_! I'm the same way, I don't watch any reviews until I film my own :) I was hoping _Okja_ was going to be more along the lines of _The Host_ though obviously the superpig is no monster, but I definitely was expecting a cohesive tone throughout the whole thing. It's like they couldn't pick which type of movie they wanted to film.
I don't think this film had an agenda or was intended to be didactic at all, and I honestly feel as though many people who react that way are either projecting their own mixed feelings about eating meat or where within this story / world they would be placed, or just not viewing the film objectively. It would be like watching Godzilla and saying it had an anti-American agenda since he represents nuclear war; that would be a reflection of you, not the film's intent. But either way, I thought it was creative, and the scattered nature to me is what made it more interesting. I feel as though with such a lack of creative films being produced these days, it's refreshing to see something like this.
I love Alachia. She's so pretty.
"Jake Gyllenhaal...?" LOL, love you, Alachia!
:)
I grew up in a part of the world where your father buys a pig to slaughter it at home. I will never forget the human-like screams....
How does a "boring" and "heavy handed" movie get a 7.6 on IMDB?
Loved your review! Thought I was the only one who felt this way with all the praise for the movie.
"I don't like being reminded where ny food comes from."
There i saved you 26 minutes.
DEAD ASS
daamn this was a long one! Great ending statement haha BACON!
This channel seems like it's being censored because Alachia isn't brainwashed
I'm totally against the consumption of meat. The mere thought of eating an animal angers me almost as much as not having mayo to go on a tasty hamburger.
i think your dog is plotting your death.
What?! lol XD
Is super pig another name for hippo with big floppy ears?
Did you have to train daisy to stay up on her stand thing? Or does she just like to chill up there
she sometimes sits there while I'm working and takes a nap. for these videos, I think she's amped up cuz all the lights and me talking to myself. She's a very well trained dog though...except when it comes to food.. then she's rabid.
I happened to pause the video at 25 minutes 35 seconds in to look at the comments, but LOL, perfect screen cap of Alachia - Alachia chewing with a contemplative look to her left with strip of bacon between finger and thumb (no little finger pointing out), with Party animal T-Shirt. Daisy equidistant in shot from her left shoulder as bacon in her left hand (with diasy slight head tilt - in-line with plane of minotor). Equidistant triangles formed in shot with wierd duck thing on the floor, alachia's left hand, alachia's head, WTF image on monitor of animal thing, Darth Vader and Batman and mini deadpool by the swear jar. I've probably been watching too much Nerdwriter :P (nearly deleted comment)
you have an artistic eye!
They should've brought in Jason Statham to do Jason Statham things to protect the Super Pig (kinda like Statham's movie Safe) so the movie isn't boring to watch.
I loved Free Willie, good times. I was wondering what the tv-ma was for, maybe the killing of the super pigs, and blood.
The movie definitely made me cry but the rape scene seemed completely out of place.
~ Cooking with Dog (except) in a movie review style!
I really liked this film. I think it was a healthy comment about the food industry and morality of humanity in general.
So, you are not reviewing Kingsman 2's trailer
no. I don't really have much to say about it because I'm not that invested in the franchise. I'll definitely review it though.
Alachia Queen I only watch Stuckman's, Jeremy Jahn's and yours reviews. I enjoy them very much. I was wondering why none of you did a review on this trailer because the first one it is a really good movie. I once criticized your review on the last Bourne's but then I rectified myself and apologized to you. I think you do a great job. Best regards
Thanks for the review. Please do more Netflix.
Soon there will be lab grown meat. No animal will be harmed in the making. How will this be possible? Thanks to GMOs.
The eating of fish and chicken for dinner in this movie, was odd...
Perhaps, they should have had Super Pig fight Spider Pig ...
I think it was clear from the trailer this was going to have sledgehammer subtlety when it came to pushing an agenda. Having that expectation from the start made it easier for me to appreciate. I'd give it a solid B, I personally enjoyed my 2 hours with this film.
Hello Daisy. Who's a cute dog? You are!
You dog is so cute, the way she keeps looking at you.
Homegirl, I love all your reviews and agree with almost all your views on movies, but I disagree with your thoughts in this video (I agree this was a trash movie but your POV on Veganism and the food industry I cant get behind)
But hey, im happy you enabled comments and stuck by your views of having an open conversation :)
hey new here I was wondering if you watch orange is the new black or wentworth I luv your channel
I was hoping that Okja would be more when handed and mock the capitalism driven meat industry and anti-meat groups equally, but sadly we didn't get that.
I agree, this film was dull as hell, but my big problem was that both the bad guys (the meat industry) and the good guys (the animal lib front) were just SO GODDAMN CARTOON-ISH. I half expected Tilda Swinton to spontaneously grow a handlebar mustache and start twirling it while I thought the good guys were going to sprout angelic wings and sunshine shining out of their ass. They're presented almost like a goddamn cult (and if you're looking at the vegan community online, they're not very far off.) It was absurd. Princess Mononoke had the same theme/message of industry vs. nature and managed to be less cartoon-ish and it was a goddamn cartoon.
Your dog is just the cutest thing ever...
thank you!
Thank you for a differentiated view on the issues at hand and on a horribly unsubtle movie. :)
I knew what this movie was going to be from the trailer. It looked about as subtle as Bambi. Any time it comes out that a lot of the food that I eat was hunted for and killed by me, the Bambi thing always comes up. It is a visual representation of a liberal orgasm. This falls right into line with that bullshit. I've about had it with people preaching to me that I'm an evil asshole for being white, a man, a meat eater, and cisgender. So, I'll definitely will be passing on this one.
Alachia, I don't know if anyone mentioned to you but I just watched Fifty shades of black, and the female lead reminded me of you. simmilar voice and look in the film
It's ridiculously naive to act as if the majority of slaughtered animals live great lives.
Kareem Montes tru
The ones on my families ranch live a better life than most people do =).
it's ridiculously naive to think that given the fact of genetic manipulation and how we've fostered an industry to create and allow life to perpetuate itself that would fuckin die and get slaughtered immediately without our care... do not live great lives.
Manjikoa I used to work for family "organic" farms (3) and no, they are not the "happy dappy wholesome place" for animals. they still get slaughtered at the end of the day, theyre still locked in a huge room still squishing against one another, we would cut off their beaks and claws so they didnt eat one another from hunger (even though we fed them alot). and even if they lived on fields, roaming the land, theyre still not free, they end up getging slaughtered when their time came and u can know they grew sad when they knew it was time. no living being wants to die. not u or me and not any other species on this planet, we all desire to live. imagine you lived on a field,living ur life, up until someone told you that your life is over and slit your throat? go vegan and stop contributing to suffering and death. if I, as a person who worked on these horrible farms, can change my way of life, so can u.
MrPhaedrusx shot and a miss.
daisy is trying to get that education. listening so attentively
I like my burger and I don't like to be called a murderer for enjoying it.
There, I saved you 26 minutes ;)
Bacon, omm nom nom. Hugs and love. Thank you for your channel. You have an honesty that helps me handle my Aspergers and depression, like Jordan b. Peterson. Thank you.
Have you seen a slaughter house?
Go see one and then come and talk about how it's done "ethically"
I thought you were eating Okja 😢
I agree with every single thing you've said.
I hate how they portray this issue so black and white, it's way more complex than that, yeah, the meat (or food in general really) industry is fucked up most of the time, but like, ok, wanna talk cruelty & "cruelty free" food, why don't we also talk about how there are 5 year olds in 3rd world countries being exploited to pick up the vegetables you eat or how many industries basically have slaves... no matter how morally superior you think you are, most things you use and buy hurt someone in some shape or form.
And like, you can be vegan if you want, and be anti meat if u want and it's really respectable an admirable even, but you also need to realize some people can't be vegan either for health related situations or simply because they don't have access or money to get healthy/vegan food, so yeah... this isn't good vs evil, it's way more complex.
Also the anti GMO thing, they're not inherently bad, you can put more nutrients into food to help out people with a limited access to it, and we've been genetically modifying stuff since the beginning of agriculture itself so... what's the deal
btw, what you said about fish being filleted alive, they're not actually alive, well... i'm sure that may have happened somewhere at some point but usually... what happens is the cells and nerves can still react to stimulus even after dead, so the salt and condiments make it twitch even if they're already dead and not even connected to the brain anymore, it also happens to frog legs (clearly not alive), even lizard tails when cut off by some accident or whatever can move around for a while... so yeah.
You're essentially saying that because we can't eliminate all cruelty in our food system by changing what we eat we shouldn't even try. That's a pretty weak argument.
I choose to do what I CAN do, which is not eat animals and cause them pain and suffering. I know I'm reducing exploitation of sentient beings in the world, and that's a good thing.
I loved the movie
i hated this movie too. actually, i didn't bother even trying to finish it
A liked the message, but for me, the movie was not nice :(
Kisses from Brazil!! I love your videos!!!
snowpiercer is "not heavy handed"? than what is heavy handed? bag of bricks?
I am not sure that any anmal being farmed for food will live a happy life? Would you lead a happy life if you are aware that you are raised and care for to be, ultimately someones' food? That said, idealistic people can be seriously detached from reality. Just be grateful you have meat or food to eat.
lol dogs are so unbelievable. Gods amazing creatures
rshadio Dogs are actually bred by man from wolves, they wouldn't exist in nature without our interference. This cross breeding is old-time gmo before the manipulation that goes on at a deeper level now. So is kale. So I smirk when I see comments about the 'godgiven' things we have, from the mind of man.
Jake Gs character was completely annoying & any time he was on screen I wished it would just end. Besides that I totally loved the movie but the end was shit & felt rushed
u are ok with killing?! r u ok?
Mmm! Your dog looks delicious 😋
She's probably the best tasting dog you'd ever eat...but you'll have to go through me before you can bbq her :)
Preachy is the word you're looking for. Preachy.
So sad to see people dressing dogs like they're little dolls to play with. You want to dress and treat animals like humans, get a baby. Let the dog be a dog.
+RogueNinja I see this issue bothers you. I'm sad how I dress my dog has upset you. I hope you can find a way to move on from this.
You should be sad for dressing a dog at all an treat him like your toy. It's fucking ridiculous. And I had already moved away from it, too bad your reply brought me back to the comment section again.
I love your videos by the way.
cute dog
But you left the comments section on. But not to worry - I. WILL. BE. NICE. Here goes: You are actually the only one that I have heard that makes sense. How evil it is to kill adorable giant pig/hippo (pigpo) and turn them into delicious sausages and how dare they try and solve the planet's food crisis. The movie by the way sucks on many levels except the little Korean girl and the CGI. Jake Gyllenhaal acted like he had a gun to his head.
The easiest way to solve the world's food crisis is for everyone to go vegan. We currently grow enough crops to feed 10-11 billion people, but we feed to much of that to livestock reducing the number of available calories to the point that we can't even feed our 7 billion.
You have such a cute dog and you look so lovely, other thing your videos are a bit too serious and to long, and i understand you want to put out the message. Other question, you look so cool and cute, you should get yourself a nice partner. that will make your life faster and you will be less serious on horrific subjects like the food industry and world pollution.
What, are we supposed to laugh about the state of our planet?
Red meat may be fine actually. It's starting to look like Sugar may be the core cause of Heart Disease.
Red meat is a carcinogen, so not actually fine.
I bet she taste good with barbecue sauce. 🥘😋
Jake was absurd? But yeah quite a lot of boringness going on here.
great review, will def not watch
mechanically separated chicken LMAO- ouch... to the vegans...
thnk u
My mum was a hardcore vegan so i grew up a weak child, i eat some meat nowadays but do my best to buy and support freerange suppliers.
Factory farming is a massive problem and it's only get worse as the population grows, there are no simple solutions like some vegan(Gain)s would say, it's not just the governments job to fix things like this, it's the peoples job too. (buy freerange and boycot factory farmed foods)
Cool vid, shame about the movie and love your dog.
You wouldn't say a kid was weak because they ate meat growing up, so why say a kid was weak because they didn't? Correlation, not causation.
I ❤ capitalism.
we humans need to simply learn how to deal with our sensitivity and ignorance. once we're upright on that, all the wrong we do will be visible and eventually stop. no more need for unnecessary "part of human culture requirements".
Where is yr heart I'm stole cold but that MOive had me joked up
you are fucking gorgeous
oh completely agreed on the film btw. just another netflix propaganda piece, complete trash. well made and pretty, but trash.
There was a little undercutting when the non-violent people became violent and the girl's fave food is chicken stew or whatever (think she was eating fish with Grandpa earlier, too -- the hypocrisy of some "vegetarians"...), but it wasn't enough. And two so-so Swintons -- just as in Hail, Caesar! -- does not equal a good Swinton. Boring AF.
Snowpiercer was terrible like most Korean movies. And no most farm animals don't have better lives than humans and neither are they loved like pets by their owners. How much love could you have for your dog if you planned to eat it?
Finally someone who feels like I do about this movie. I was immensely bored throughout this movie. Only Jake G impressed me.
Honestly you seem intelligent and it's surprising how negative you are about this movie and how you thought it was force-feeding it's agenda to you (no pun intended). It's a brilliant movie that obviously outsmarted you. Re-watch it. It's a mockery of the current state of the food industry and the nature of humanity. It's much deeper than pushing some agenda you could even argue that the movie made the point that there's no point in being a vegan because there's no hope anyways and the people in power will always win and profit.
Thanks for proving her point
@@NuanceOverDogma she is stupid she basically a negative person
Boring?!? The annoying sound of your voice is getting boring.
Did Okja had a shower scene after the rape?
One more victory for the meat eaters. *Yum Yum!*
What victory? Veganism is more popular than ever, and 400 million less animals were killed last year than the year before.