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Star Trek: Earth's World War 3 EXPLAINED

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  • @OrangeRiver
    @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +330

    Wow, this is definitely the biggest project I've tackled all year. Big thanks once again to everyone who helped me bring this video to life from page to screen. As you were probably able to tell, even with a 26 minute runtime--longer than most of my videos--I had to be choosy with what information to include, meaning much of the non-canon material (though not all of it) surrounding World War III didn't make it in. But I hope this video still served as a thorough deep dive on what little we *do* know about WW3 from the shows and films! Thanks for a fantastic 2021. Live long and prosper.

    • @braddl9442
      @braddl9442 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You know the sarin gas stuff was proven to be a hoax by the propagandists white hats. And they were able to show the UN blocked the actual teams report that said no chemical weapons were used right? Might want to talk about propaganda, manipulation of media can lead to things like the Spanish American war by and out of control press.

    • @MissionHomeowner
      @MissionHomeowner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You promised and you delivered! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from rainy British Columbia.

    • @heydj6857
      @heydj6857 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      absolutely brilliant and exactly how i've imagined many times how it all happened. thank you.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @Subraxas excellent idea...

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      😂

  • @Necron-ez2cc
    @Necron-ez2cc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +424

    So technically, the events of the Mad Max series could have been a footnote part of Star Trek history.

    • @tedcruz212
      @tedcruz212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Haha, I would love to see that crossover

    • @misfit1978
      @misfit1978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Wow, I've never considered that! Good shout

    • @ibrohiem
      @ibrohiem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I need someone to clear up the Mad Max shit for me too. It's post apocalypse but Max was clearly an officer in the first movie of a functional country.

    • @MrSeriousGuy
      @MrSeriousGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@ibrohiem The Country was falling apart it is mentioned that the military has all but fallen, politicians were stealing everything they could and the fuel was drying up. The Max's patrol was one of the last police force with less and less recruits and most on the force not living very long due to gangs and militias who were carving up fiefdoms. When Max just lost his mind/family he left the "green zone" and wandered into the mess that most of the world had become.

    • @GettinReal
      @GettinReal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No madmax fan could stand the drama of star trwk

  • @charlesajones77
    @charlesajones77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    To quote Quark from Deep Space 9: "They irradiated their own planet?!?"

    • @donovanulrich348
      @donovanulrich348 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That quote tells me intelligent life in the universe
      Would see humanity as a problem to itself and others 🤣 and erase us

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      to quote darkeid on a similar subject:
      "had the kryptonian or the amazon taken that gamble, they would have lost. they do not have the strength of character to destroy an entire planet to achieve success... but you? a human? you kill your own kind to win battles, an admirable quality."
      (he says this after batman essentially pulls the corbomite maneuver on him, which hinges primarily on the fact that humans ARE in fact known to be crazy enough to consider mutual destruction a victory.

    • @schnoz2372
      @schnoz2372 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@donovanulrich348 or try to help us

    • @cosmicquestion9184
      @cosmicquestion9184 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@schnoz2372 Humanity has all it needs to solve most of the problems that plague this world, but simply chose not to. There are people trying to save the environment and advocate for peace and an end to poverty, but there's a million different agendas and nobody wants work together.

    • @gwaccola
      @gwaccola ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah, they're watching us on "Galaxies' Most Dumbest"...

  • @cw4karlschulte661
    @cw4karlschulte661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +269

    Also bomb shelters were common, being advanced versions of tornado shelters in the midwest. Also, my Dad was killed slowly by an A Bomb in the early 50's. White Sands test cannon shot and his Army squad was out in wrong trench. Under a mile from ground zero. This can be seen in a documentary film by a famous news narrator, on the 20th century. The soldier, a capt. Is closet to camera, on left. Radiation poisoning, anemia, little resistance ti infection, died at 61. RIP dad.

    • @rblibit
      @rblibit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I consider your father a hero! He was proof of the insanity we were playing with at the time (and still are from time to time). I wish he was around to thank! I was a CWO3 in the USCG and took an appointment to LT (O3-E). I took a set of orders to a nasty assignment and got promoted from Chief (E7) to W2, and 3 years later to W3, then, one more set of nasty orders to HQ (D.C.) for LT. Hey... someone has to run, engineer and manage those crappy remote transmitter sites out in BumFuct Cairo and Bendover Junction! We had encrypted sub/air traffic piggybacking on our Navigation signal, and we we ran VERY dependable 1.25 Megawatt Pulsed transmitters. What else is there to do on the island of Iwo Jima in the Mid 1980s. You could always look at 6000 small white crosses knowing US Marines each made one by being a real BAD-ASS as they stormed a nasty, thin beach giving their lives for the real estate. THEN you would understand just how BAD ASS those guys really were. 4th, 5th and 6th Marine Divisions were some BAD DUDES! Yeah, they lost 6000 men, but the Japanese lost almost 22,000. Yup... some real bad dudes who did not screw around.

    • @ohyeahwhat5387
      @ohyeahwhat5387 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      My father was at Bikini for the A bomb test, he was in the Navy. Similar story. My dad died in 1973 of Leukemia. Sorry for your loss.

    • @Dweller415
      @Dweller415 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Sorry that happened to your dad and family.

    • @markusgropper6240
      @markusgropper6240 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think every leader of a nation that even considers to use ABC weaponry should get shot because he will kill not only others nations but his own as well. ABC weapons are complete insanity and everyone building them should get a concrete grave in the next lake

    • @davidfinch7407
      @davidfinch7407 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It would never be enough, but hopefully your Dad was well compensated in life, and your family after his death.

  • @mbaxter22
    @mbaxter22 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    In 2023, Star Trek’s canon is looking more prophetic than ever…

    • @Howyaduing
      @Howyaduing 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then there still could be hope

    • @lukeyznaga7627
      @lukeyznaga7627 หลายเดือนก่อน

      truth, "mbaxter"...truth!

  • @mokwella
    @mokwella 2 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    What’s interesting to me is how, based on his comments and his work, Gene Roddenberry went from an optomistic humanistic perspective to believing humanity first had to go through tremendous suffering to finally achieve a unified global community. At the time, I found the introduction of the Post Atomic Horror in the very first episode of TNG to be a radical retcon.

    • @captaincat4361
      @captaincat4361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@toomanyaccounts That's debatable. Very debatable.
      I will grant that a lot of great things came from others, but I will give you a hint, Executive Producers and show runners don't have the time to write everything, direct everything or even find guest stars. They are like the CEO of a company, they receive a budget from the studios, then they have to not go over that budget.
      For instance, Harlan Ellison wrote City on the Edge of Forever. He got upset because it was rewritten to fit the Star Trek Universe (the series bible at the time) and for budget reasons (no way that they could have included a literal city with huge citizens living in the time stream, too expensive).
      Like the OP said, Gene was a humanist. At one point in the seventies and eighties, he believed humans would "evolve" into a utopian society (TMP Novel, the "New" Humans). Ellison's novel didn't mess with the series bible which stated humans didn't have conflict with each other so of course he wanted it changed.
      Star Trek TOS and TNG at first never had "a writer's room", they would send out series bibles to independent writers, collect the scripts that was sent in, kept those that would work easily with the ideals behind Star Trek and send the ones rejected back to the writers. TOS had DC Fontana and Gene Coon that would make rewrites to scripts to fit them in more with Roddenberry's series bible. By season 3, he no longer worked on TOS so it wasn't his.
      Lastly, people want to gripe because DC Fontana orginally wrote "Encounter at Farpoint" as a one hour pilot episode. People accuse Roddenberry of expanding it with the Q subplot. However, Paramount wanted it expanded so he invented the Q.
      Regardless, showrunners have to find creative people, which I believe Gene did a good job of.

    • @captaincat4361
      @captaincat4361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The Post Atomic Horror IMO was introduced to slow down Star Trek's history.
      Like I pointed out elsewhere, most sci-fi from the 50's to the 70's, atomic energy was the miracle fuel that had us with colonies on the moon and Mars, advanced tech like life support, artificial gravity (the Botany Bay for instance), and even cryonics (TNG's "The Neutral Zone").
      Without the Eugenic Wars being WW3, First Contact and Encounter at Farpoint needed WW3 to be set further into the future to keep up the illusion of ST being in our future.

    • @STho205
      @STho205 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@toomanyaccounts GR was a recovering substance abuser in 1987. However he wrote the addon half of "Mission at Far Point" with Q and the trials. Paramount decided after DF wrote the 50 minute script (with the Ferengi and the Time Lord mostly Riker/Kirk adventure) that it would be a 2 hr TV movie so 40 minutes had to be added.
      Fontana was quite upset with the mashup screenplay and she filed a greviance with the WGA...but that episode was really a 50:50 disorganized cobble.
      I didn't like Q, as it reminded me too much of the 1960s magic sitcom foils like Endora and Jeannie's sister...all taken from Puck. However i do see what GR was trying to do with it.
      The Farpoint story though was drop dead boring and hokey. DC Fontana's scripts were hit and miss too. Some of them came off as Batman 1965 scripts and some were OK, but she often pushed Adam West lines onto Nimoy for kid and cocktail party humor.

    • @jymfysher7704
      @jymfysher7704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Looking back at any SciFi \ future \Phsychic predictions and you will find the miss rate is high in the 90% range.We invent knew technology and science in attempts to foresee their outcome but fail miserably!! Why is that ?!?

    • @STho205
      @STho205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jymfysher7704 because they are written by liberal arts majors, ex motor cops (GR), pulp fiction freelancers, porn writers (Ellison aka Cornwainer Byrd), producers secretaries (DF), advertising agents as a side business, woke-hobby social activists and TV western screenwriters.

  • @blackdog6969
    @blackdog6969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +238

    Okay, the movie level footage and editing is beyond amazing. Better than many docos for tv. The in-lore facts and the breakdown of Trek's history is bloody impressive too. This is probably one of my fave lore videos. Merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate, at the very least have a great day and thanks for this content

    • @camwyn256
      @camwyn256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      With it taking a year to make, it really shows

    • @lotstodo
      @lotstodo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, very impressive. I like the food on the table. I hope he puts the eggs away.

  • @scoobiesnatches
    @scoobiesnatches ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Episode 1 really hit an emotional note with what Earth and humanity went through during WW3. Definitely worth a watch. Also, awesome content. Subbed and will continue to watch.

  • @JanetStarChild
    @JanetStarChild 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    There's a lot of talk about the "other", but let's address the elephant in the room... a fascist US with radicalized hate groups galvanized by extreme nationalism and xenophobia.
    American pop-culture never depicts the US as the 'badguy', which is a shame, because it would be a healthy dose of sobering humility and self-reflection; something we really need.
    P.S.
    The production quality of this video is stellar! Feels like a legit documentary. Kudos!

    • @subliteral
      @subliteral 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      At this point radical right wingers are nowhere near the buttons to launch a WW3 type scenario. The top levels of power in the U.S. , at least are effectively sealed off from anyone like a Reagan or even a right wing populist like Trump from ever gaining power again. Any coming catastrophe will come from the left pulling the levers of power. The right has been relegated to standing on the political sidelines & the pathetic militia groups on the right are tactically meaningless.

    • @lamarravery4094
      @lamarravery4094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@subliteral I disagree, I'd be more worried about destruction coming from the Right. They are misinformed miseducated from their alt news and armed to the teeth. Their devotion to their rightwing messiah, Donald Trump is what it is, a deranged cult. And Jan. 6, 2021 was a result of the rightwing militia believing a lie and acting out on it. It was treasonous what happened that day, it happened in America.

    • @LoneBrowncoat
      @LoneBrowncoat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lamarravery4094 .....Indeed, if any election was stolen it was 2016, Trump LOST the popular vote, the electoral college that he had much earlier railed against, is what actually got him elected and there was more vote denying than there was in the 'Dubya' Bush "hanging chad" incident.

    • @seththomas8362
      @seththomas8362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Truth is the first casualty of war. The majority of Earth's population does not have a "Eurocentric" view of world & history. WW1 & WW2 was started by white Europeans. WW3? 3 is a charm. "Guns, germs & steel". White Europeans Empires still occupy & control "colonies/continents" thousands of miles from Europe's borders. Russia, China & other Eastern countries do not. Descendents of white Europeans tested & used nuclear weapons multiple times, killing hundreds of thousands of people of the East. Prime directive? Justice? Live & let live? Lessons learned. Manifest destiny. Position of power. Might makes right. Conquerors masqarading as liberators. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Superior intellect breeds Superior ambition. It is obvious who the true genocidal eugenecists are. Embrace your fear. Love your emenies. 🇺🇳

    • @pancakes8670
      @pancakes8670 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reflecting your country as the bad guy is how you keep it from becoming the bad guy IRL. There's a reason why Catholicism treats Pride as the most dangerous Sin

  • @leftygurl
    @leftygurl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    this is such an interesting period to me, the original series created such a distinct divergence point from real history with the eugenics wars, i wish they leaned into the star trek world as alternate history more often in modern media.

    • @MissionHomeowner
      @MissionHomeowner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Greg Cox wrote a couple of books where he fit the Eugenics wars into the actual 1990's. They operated behind the scenes, causing massive death tolls in the Middle East, Yugoslavia, and Africa. In an attempt to conquer the world they also introduced the ozone hole over the South Pole. It was not until after WW3 that historians worked out who was behind the actual events. And the sleeper ship Khan and his gang escaped in? It was built in Area 51 using reverse-engineered alien technology.

    • @turkeytrac1
      @turkeytrac1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@MissionHomeowner was that the rise and fall of Kahn noonien Singh books?

    • @turkeytrac1
      @turkeytrac1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@toomanyaccounts great books

    • @VincentGonzalezVeg
      @VincentGonzalezVeg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@turkeytrac1 alright, I'll plate them up with some prune juice

    • @captaincat4361
      @captaincat4361 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Atomic Age of Science Fiction (my term, because everything from that era had atomic energy as the miracle energy) from WW2 till the early seventies) seemed like everyone placed WW3 in the mid90s. They also had us with a colonies on the moon and Mars by then.
      It's the main reason I dislike First Contact is we go from "Stone" age to warp drive, yet Khan's Botany Bay had artificial gravity, life support, atomic engines that while not faster than light was decently fast. Even TNG's first season finale "The Neutral Zone" showed that by the 80s, we had working cryonics.
      I believe that the Eugenic Wars was intended to be WW3, since a quarter of the earth was destroyed. Having First Contact place WW3 50 years later just seemed like it was unnecessary.

  • @DLZ2000
    @DLZ2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    For years, I've wanted a Star Trek show that takes place right after the Earth/Romulan War where the newly formed UFP tries to figure out how to construct their new government and economy. My idea is that they'd hire a historian with a background in post-WWIII history who could describe to the new government the parallels between the 2060s and the 2160s. The show would also have to feature a bunch of civilian characters so we could actually see the effects, positive and negative, that the choices of the new government has on the lives of those people

    • @jacksoncross9265
      @jacksoncross9265 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      mmmmm the expanseeeeee

    • @jacksoncross9265
      @jacksoncross9265 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      good idea tho my bro

    • @Number6_
      @Number6_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      History tends to repeat itself . Look at today in comparison to the 1970's.

    • @smokedbeefandcheese4144
      @smokedbeefandcheese4144 ปีที่แล้ว

      Considering that all of them have been in a war with a human empire I don’t think they would take lessons on anti-imperialism and repairing nations from a human myth sorry. Also I don’t think that is that great of an example because after World War II the entire globe of humanity was polarized between the Soviet Union and America. Before World War II fascism was specifically employed to delay Socialism. And to stop it and try and keep it away from rich people So they would not have to suffer the consequences of their actions. So they used fascist to purge socialists and then they used democracies and the troops that they had to get rid of the problem that they the capitalist had started. So World War II would not be the best lesson for them to learn from anyway.

    • @derp195
      @derp195 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Number6_ As a true red blooded American, I refuse to consider the idea that the mistakes of history are anything like the awesome decisions we're making today.

  • @JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701
    @JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This was almost like a real life documentation, well done!

  • @dallassukerkin6878
    @dallassukerkin6878 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    During the Cold War I was always comforted by the fact that my parents house was within the blast radius of a ground burst warhead targeted at a listening station about 400 yards away. Better to be vaporised in a flash than suffer through the lingering death from fallout. It is a tangent from the intent of this excellent video but do look up a film from the 80's called Threads. So chilling it changed British policy towards fighting a nuclear war from something 'winnable' to a senseless tragedy to be avoided at all costs.
    I am pleasantly surprised to find you can get it on Amazon at the moment.
    As to the actual 'future history' thread (see what I did there :D) of this, I can only applaud the attention to detail and the weaving on of canon sources. Well done, sir.

    • @cryptonewbie5210
      @cryptonewbie5210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think every official in NATO should be forced to watch Threads....

    • @charlesfollette9692
      @charlesfollette9692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I grew up in between Norfolk naval station, oceana master jet base little creek amphibious base and the air force base in Hampton va. Up to about 10’yrs old I lived in a target rich environment 💀

    • @slagit
      @slagit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Man I recall watching THREADS on a cold, gray day alone in a big house. That film really chilled me and that ending...

    • @LoneBrowncoat
      @LoneBrowncoat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@slagit ....."On The Beach" and "Dr. Strangelove" should be chilling enough for anyone.

    • @veramae4098
      @veramae4098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Fail Safe" is another terrifying movie. U.S. bombers are accidentally told to nuke Moscow and security precautions make it impossible to call them back. The U.S. President (Henry Fonda -- never a bad scene in his career), calls Soviet Russia to warn them. They can't intercept the bombers, however.
      So the President offers Soviets a deal: To stop an all out nuclear war we will ourselves nuke one of our own cities. New York.
      OK.

  • @drewx10
    @drewx10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Great production, but also, just a good solid message. Even though we often forget about nuclear weapons in the time of post Cold World, those weapons are still there. Other weapons have been sharpened like mis-information, viruses, and militant groups. Faith and building communities that believe in helping each other no matter what is one way for humanity to avoid that dark future. Thanks for the effort of putting this piece together.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you, too!

    • @rodferguson3515
      @rodferguson3515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@OrangeRiver Fantastic production.. Just one issue. . In the original series For conon sake the eugenics wars were depicted in the 1990s and were not part of World war III however those events could easily become the events that could lead to World war III.
      Other than this you made a great video that rivals many high. End budget projects .
      I salute your great work looking forward to your future endeavors....

    • @TKUltra971
      @TKUltra971 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We just saw the American capitol put under siege by the lie that an election was stolen and millions believed it. Just imagine what millions of idiots could do running with a lie and nukes. I fear for the future. It is only going to take one major mistake, one launch and one strike to send us to the dark age. And the chances of a scientific recovery? Kind, friendly aliens? Not likely.

    • @macmcleod1188
      @macmcleod1188 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Plus the Russians have threatened to use nuclear weapons least three times the last 4 months.

  • @gorymarty56
    @gorymarty56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The use of war time films is scary. And your set is creative.

  • @davea6314
    @davea6314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At 3:03 in the video, someone in the props dept at STNG had a sense of humor with the umbrella frame.

  • @MrCyCollins
    @MrCyCollins 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I concur with the general consensus that this was a remarkably professional-quality production. It was also just plain enjoyable to watch and follow. Many fan-made productions involve a lot of well-coordinated compilations of lore, but not necessarily presented in a digestible way. I always regret when a future-facing series like Star Trek, is too aggressive in predicting future events. (Why would anyone in 1966-69 even attempt to pick details about the events of the ‘90’s?). Lost in Space, and Space 1999, have the 90’s loaded with significant events. One observer has noted that Science fiction usually exaggerates the accomplishments of the near-future, and short-sells the achievements of the far future. Star Trek, actually does a little better than most in this regard, but dates the show to start significant events of the fictional timeline in the 90’s. Some apologists have tried to argue that the Eugenics Wars have begun in the form of the technology race in biotechnology, but that kind of thinking puts Roddenberry in the “prophet” category, and borders on the religious. Dating key cataclysmic events in the 90’s may have seemed reasonable in the 60’s due to general Cold War paranoia, and maybe Roddenberry didn’t want to have “missed” a real cataclysm he thought very likely. Again though, he did fall prey to exaggerating (or at least mischaracterizing the technology and global threats of the 21st Century. He’s in good company though, since very few in the serious research community predicted the extent and impact of anthropogenic environmental degradation. The idea that the greatest threat to global stability might be only a peripherally-political phenomenon was not yet in the mainstream in ‘66. However, if you look at the exponential growth in technological expansion that has occurred since the sixties, I’ve always thought roughly 200 years for emergence of such features as FTL space flight, artificial gravity, and matter teleportation seems quite reasonable. All of those things would require a breakthrough of science that supersedes Einsteinian physics - the discovery of some yet-unknown phenomena that relax the restrictions of relativity and harness what are now considered fundamental forces. I’ve heard scientists dismiss Star Trek technology as “impossible”, but of course one never knows what one does not know. Even very successful observers of the natural world in previous centuries could not easily imagined the world of today (and many tried). Isaac Newton was unbelievably astute in his formulations, but I doubt he could have seen a clear path to electronics, or that it even might occur to him to try. I grew up a few blocks from the building where the transistor was invented. I doubt that team would have predicted that in a very few decades, their invention would be rendered so small as to be visible only by microscope, and that it would fundamentally affect society in the way it has. So with a little luck in breaking through to some new scientific paradigms, and given the normal rate of human advancement, two hundred years or so seems about right to me. As for the sociopolitical direction of the future, I think the last few years has shown us that only the foolish or psychic should try to write a prospective history for even a few decades in the future. Roddenberry’s exists within the conceivable, and one hopes a future as bright as his vision, but there’s lots of room for doubt.

    • @stanislavkostarnov2157
      @stanislavkostarnov2157 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      seems he was off by a few years but pretty spot on...
      chaos, caused by a social breakup due to biological weaponry by 2026... to be honest seems a spookily accurate prognosis..
      yes, it is an escaped, or possibly natural virus rather than an actual weapon used on anyone
      but within a half decade, I can easily imagine something like this erasing society as a functional unit (breaking down the already weak trust between those governing and the populace, without the existence of "real" society, people becoming segmented into small opinionated groups, disinvested in humanity & turning from "law" to "criminals" for justice, this, leading to religious like factions waring against one another, with the help of mass-destruction weapons somehow begotten (through corruption in power, or through sensitive areas being overrun) by groups of militia/terrorists.... is this all really so hard to imagine from the world you see today...)
      no, ST's predictions I found uncomfortably accurate... especially, given how they were made in a totally two-poles type political world which it seemed would be till the end of history.

  • @Inignot12
    @Inignot12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Was not expecting that intro, great presentation of on an oft glanced over part of trek lore

  • @johnmascola3403
    @johnmascola3403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This is one of the most brilliant video essay I've ever seen. Thank You for Sharing

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks John!

    • @mikeyfrederick1232
      @mikeyfrederick1232 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Could not agree more..this is some really good content..I have always wondered about WW3 in the Trek universe..have you published a video on currency of the future yet?

    • @johnmascola3403
      @johnmascola3403 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikeyfrederick1232 Good Question. Sounds like another Great video essay. JS.

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Long term projects like these are often better overall because you've had time to reflect and revise the content over longer period of time. At least I assume that's what happened!
    A good (and surprisingly cohesive) summary of WW3 in Trek, plus the setting you filmed it in is brilliant👍

  • @TheHallucinati
    @TheHallucinati 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Cochrane's aged appearance has a lot less to do with radiation exposure and a lot more with his out of control alcohol consumption. Cochrane was a "functional alcoholic" who could not even imagine working on any of his physics hypotheses without consuming half a liter of grain spirits. Given that he learned to drink shortly after learning to walk, it's hardly surprising that by late 30-s he looked in his late 50-s...

  • @shaetillman8362
    @shaetillman8362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Your comparisons between Star Trek , Wars ,History and The Present is so Awesome😱

  • @silverismoney
    @silverismoney ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is the absolute best video on this topic hands down. Not to mention the visuals, and the production values. I want to see more like this. The eugenics wars and the post atomic horror are totally ripe for expansion.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much Matt!

  • @ElmoUnk1953
    @ElmoUnk1953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    “Gang rule over entire regions” Sounds like two current major metropolitan centers, one in the vicinity of Lake Michigan and the other along the San Gabriel Mountains.

  • @mikeschiesel2852
    @mikeschiesel2852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That Was Epic! Well done, you can tell this was a labor of love.

  • @UAFF0069
    @UAFF0069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A lot of this reflects what is actually going on now in the real world

  • @robbicu
    @robbicu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Unbelievable amount of research, plus finding and editing clips - absolutely chilling and amazing. Well done!

  • @PlanetX87
    @PlanetX87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is one of the best, most entertaining videos about Star Trek lore I've ever seen.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much!

  • @rtr100bills
    @rtr100bills 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I recently found your channel and I am very impressed. The work and effort that is put into your videos is very impressive. The best I have seen to be honest. Keep up the good work and I will keep watching.

  • @thepayne7862
    @thepayne7862 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I actually wouldn't mind seeing a series based during the Eugenics War, or duing the time frame referenced in the first two epiosdes of TNG.

    • @donovanulrich348
      @donovanulrich348 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Considering we are heading irl to that point in human history
      I wouldnt ask to much 😂
      We are at the point where people are going to start thinking about genetic alterations
      Trek thought about it in the 70-80's, and not to mention scientific discoveries in the last 20 years in eugenics. And bioshock was 100% a eugenic war 😂 and the only way to win, was to lose your humanity embracing genetic upgrades to see the end of the game

    • @johngoerger8996
      @johngoerger8996 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eugenics Wars is total BS..NON SCIENCE NON DARWINIAN EVOLUTION TOTAL CRAP

  • @jinron24
    @jinron24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You did a really good job! Keep creating more, your audience deserves it!

  • @rmeddy
    @rmeddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Oh dude, this is probably your best video so far
    As a kid that Orson Welles Nostradamus movie scared the shit outta me when thinking about nuclear stuff also the idea of that some people think it may be a necessary step to getting to a flourishing future for humanity, really creeps me out
    It really got me into thinking about the whole Roddenberry was a Posadist stuff.

    • @williamhaynes4800
      @williamhaynes4800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Speaking of Welles,when I was a kid, my Grandfather told me about the radio broadcast of War of the Worlds. The panic was almost as described in the movie.

  • @lucasburghardt7955
    @lucasburghardt7955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is so well made the production, music, writing, facts, story and so on every bit of it is amazing done. This video was highly informing and entertaining. I never know about the third world war in Star trek history just saw it in the new Star trek series strange new worlds and so I went to youtube to find out more about it so thanks a lot for this video.

  • @loganhastings5970
    @loganhastings5970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thanks again for the most entertaining and informative videos of Star Trek lore on TH-cam. Just became a patron :)

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you so much Logan!

  • @burtonwilliams5355
    @burtonwilliams5355 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I do not know how I have missed this in the past, but AWESOME ! SUBSCRIBED !

  • @davidalangay1186
    @davidalangay1186 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A great attempt to connect not only the storylines of the various Trek series, but also helps to even out the inconsistencies in the lore. Worth the time spent watching. 👍

  • @quantafreeze
    @quantafreeze 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was so thorough. I really enjoyed this video. What a great Christmas present for me!

  • @CreativePulse1
    @CreativePulse1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very intriguing and engaging analysis . Nice use of Backgrounds for dramatic effect!

  • @pottierkurt1702
    @pottierkurt1702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You're becoming my new sy-fy binge and chill channel, keep it up. Love the content.

  • @luvondarox
    @luvondarox ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was brilliant. I've never seen anything from this channel before, but I think this alone deserves a sub.

  • @noahschneider400
    @noahschneider400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The presentation and production of this video is damned impressive. The coverage of the topic is great too.

  • @josephthomasjr.6551
    @josephthomasjr.6551 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Imperial Japan had the (if memory serves) Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. China now has the Shanghai Pact. Might one draw parallels between the former and the latter? I love your videos. Keep up the good work. And have a magnificent 2022!!!

  • @lotstodo
    @lotstodo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watched this early today and it's 7:00 pm and I'm still thinking about it. You deserve a science fiction award for this. It was stunningly good.

  • @jacksavere6988
    @jacksavere6988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “I’ve been looking forward to this”- Count Dooku, waiting for this video to go up

  • @drhibas
    @drhibas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This was a very good video! Both script- and productionwise. It also highlighted the fact that first contact didn’t flip Earth in an instant, but only sow the seeds of a better future. Even without aliens it is worth considering that it will be ”a long road” to utopia :)

  • @SteveBrandon
    @SteveBrandon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Bozeman, Montana itself might emerge relatively unscathed during a nuclear exchange between NATO and Russia and/or China but huge swathes of Montana (mostly northeast of Bozeman according to the nuclear target map I'm looking at) and several other Great Plains states would likely be heavily targeted even if they're rural areas simply because that's where a lot of the American nuclear missile silos are.

    • @PaulGuy
      @PaulGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The Great Plains are also where a lot of Strategic Air Command bases are located. That's where things like B-2, B-52, and B-1b bombers are based. They'd all be targeted, as well.

    • @amkrause2004
      @amkrause2004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My father used to be a missile launch officer on the MM3 and Titan 2s

    • @robinhodson9890
      @robinhodson9890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agricultural areas would be target for radation contamination too, to hamper recovery.

    • @icecold9511
      @icecold9511 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Truth is little point in targeting them. Silos are hardened, and the birds would already be on their way.

  • @The_Jawnski
    @The_Jawnski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video, friend. Makes the somewhat convoluted subject much more digestible. 10/10.

  • @mr-mz4ed
    @mr-mz4ed 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    top notch , even the intro was excellent. u even took into account the ten year truce that lily thought was broken in first contact

  • @MonCappy
    @MonCappy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    This was a pretty good deep dive into World War III in Star Trek. I happen to think that a mini series depicting the war, its aftermath and the post war recovery could be really good. My idea would be a dozen to sixteen feature length episodes covering the Eugenics Wars (retroactively altering canon tom match actual real life history), World War III, First Contact and the Post Atomic Horror and the rebuilding with after the War ending with the initiation of the NX-01 program as a recovered, but more mature humanity once again looks toward the future.
    One thing I should point out, is that the mini-series should make it damned clear that humanity would not have recovered as quickly as it did without the aid of the Vulcans. Most of Earth's urban conglomerations were completely annihilated, our industry remaining functioning industry would be a fraction of what it was pre-war, the global logistic supply chain would be a memory, and the ability to deal with medical emergencies and crises would be non-existent.
    If we have to rebuild on our own, then it would take centuries, if such a recovery is even achievable. One thing that bothered me about United Earth is the debt humanity owed the Vulcans. As much as their influence might've felt stifling, they weren't entirely wrong. It had been mere decades since human civilization was nearly annihilated (it's noted that the immediate death toll during World War III was approximately 600,000,000 people, which means most industrial and government centers were gone). Without First Contact with the Vulcans, the Post Atomic Horror would likely have led to the deaths of billions and the end of human civilization entirely.
    We don't recover in a century. We recover in about ten thousand years or so. With all the easy access to fossil fuels and iron extinguished, we likely end up recovering to at best a stone age / bronze age civilization, never to reach the stars or the cusp of becoming an interstellar civilization. What few ruins remain after one hundred centuries past would be seen by our descendants as cities inhabited by gods. We will remain a species that extinguished our own potential until some global calamity or asteroid impact wipes us out and what is left of Earth's life only for the planet to take tens of millions of years to refill all the ecological niches that have reopened.
    At some point one hundred million or so years in the future, some alien civilization will visit Earth, discover the thin band of radiation and realize some idiot species got Great Filtered out of existence. Bad for us, but good for them. So what is the point of all this? Without the Vulcans, Star Trek never happens. No Federation, Captain Kirk is never born, Picard is butterflied away, and when the Cardassians abandon Bajor (because us wiping ourselves out won't change what happens there most likely), someone else takes over Terok Nor and occupies Bajor. The Wormhole is never discovered and the Alpha Quadrant never learns of the danger posed by the Dominion until they develop transwarp and invade and conquer the Alpha Quadrant, and eventually go to war with the Borg as both entities compete for domination of the galaxy, leading to the destruction of nearly all sapient life in the Milky Way.
    So you see? When you think about it, Zephram Cochrane and the Vulcans entered into a partnership that would serendipitously lead to the salvation of all intelligent life in the galaxy! That is why we fucking owe the Vulcans. They accidentally saved the entire galaxy by having enough compassion (in their own, emotionally suppressed way) for a civilization that was suffering from the same horrid situation they once labored under. They eased our burden when we needed a helping hand most of all, and in the process created a partnership that would lead to the greatest civilization the galaxy has seen in billions of years.
    TLDR - The Vulcans are Big Damned Heroes and it's far past time we recognize it!

    • @jacklai633
      @jacklai633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wow! Thank you very much for writing this long analysis! Merry Christmas and Live long and prosper! 🖖🖖🖖

    • @samallan6616
      @samallan6616 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is a really good story. I am currently writing a non-canon Trek fan novel. It contains a description of an Earth WW-III scenario, including a limited civil war in the United States, which is far less cataclysmic. Is it awful? Yes, it is. But my WW-III scenario is not one which brings humanity to the brink of total annihilation or sends man back to the stone-age. It does give mankind a slap in the face which is meant as a wake-up call before something worse happens. In my novel, sharper minds prevail. Then we meet the Vulcans.
      I simply believe the scenario presented here is a bit over-dramatic. Fun to read? Yes, it is. I just believe it is excessive and leaves mankind with no future because mankind is unable to recover on his own. And realistically, the Vulcans, upon discovering this mess, and considering their own history of war before Surak, would wash their hands of mankind forever. My opinion only. Others will differ. Have a great day everyone! Trek on!!!

    • @willb5571
      @willb5571 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@samallan6616 🤗😉🤝☮️

    • @chrissonofpear1384
      @chrissonofpear1384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@samallan6616 Also, I tend to believe it wasn't a CONSTANT chaotic conflict from 2026 to 2053, but more of a slow rise in hostilities and problems, not peaking until around 2051. Then a treaty (at San Francisco) in 2055.
      And some post war chaos for years after.

    • @frankmarkovcijr5459
      @frankmarkovcijr5459 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      According to the original series zefram Cochrane was a native of Alpha Centauri he was never a native of Earth such a screw-up

  • @bensakschek615
    @bensakschek615 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just realized that we're just four years away from World War III.
    And two years away from the Bell Riots.

  • @wacojones8062
    @wacojones8062 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good presentation. I remember the duck and cover drills in grade school in the Fifties. A reserve First Sergeant I served with landed in Normandy and later was at several atomic test. My mom was a nuclear physicist who took a 27 Roentgen dose in 18 months making Radon seeds in early test of radiation therapy to treat cancers at the Mayo Clinic. Pre waldo device era working around thick blocks of lead with mirrors to see the work area. I think I still have original Civil Defense Fallout shelter plans somewhere among the thousands of books and pamphlets in the house. Keep up the good work.

  • @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164
    @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This explanation video is very well done. I saved it to my TH-cam channel playlists for others to watch.

  • @remaincalm2
    @remaincalm2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is really nicely made. I like the cinematography in the dramatized parts. Well done. :-)

  • @Annishark
    @Annishark 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    what a nice christmas movie

  • @_trudge
    @_trudge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i can tell you put a ton of effort into this. thank you orange 💕

  • @slyaspie4934
    @slyaspie4934 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic work, just found your channel and if all your videos are this good it's an absolute win, thanks for the hard work, I'm going to binge watch now

  • @winglessviper
    @winglessviper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Well done. Always wondered how things may have happened in the Star trek time line. I have loaded many B-83s on B-1s.

  • @mitcharcher7528
    @mitcharcher7528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent video: educational, entertaining and moving. Thanks for the incredible work.
    Peace and long life, to you and us all.

  • @grasshopperzx2
    @grasshopperzx2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done, mate. WW3 was some lore I was always curious about but never had time to look into, thanks for the deep dive.

  • @ericbrennemann7474
    @ericbrennemann7474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pretty nice work! I love the composition of your video. Also u use a pretty creative narrative to tell this story, really impressive!

  • @TheKagedd
    @TheKagedd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent video. The production value is excellent. The writing is excellent. The emotional impact is meaningful. Well done.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you so much!

  • @MissionHomeowner
    @MissionHomeowner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Have you ever acted in amateur theatre, summer stock, or in community play? If not you would be great. The bunker scene shows you in character. Well done. You could be an equally convincing anyone.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I've got a background in film, not so much acting. I'll probably stay behind the camera for now, but I'm glad you enjoyed my performance!

  • @chuPAULcabra
    @chuPAULcabra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The intro for this video up to where you sit down made me feel like you were about to start rapping. Haha had a music video feel!

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂 You may be interested in another video I uploaded in...erm, April of this year: th-cam.com/video/6K15e94_cLQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @Ashamanknight
    @Ashamanknight ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just stumbled upon your videos today and I've binge watching them. :-)

  • @Phoenix5365
    @Phoenix5365 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When performing genetic mods, we have to remember to increase not only the cellular tolerance for ambient electromagnetic energy but the ability to use it as supplemental fuel (a broader version of producing vitamin D from sunlight).

  • @davidscott9772
    @davidscott9772 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very well done. Fantastic work

  • @mikekram2199
    @mikekram2199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is really well put together. It's like Charlie Brooker's early Screenwipe material. Please make more! This is extremely educational and entertaining.

  • @Anonymous-sy7or
    @Anonymous-sy7or 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Christmas gift thank you 🙏 wish you all the best looking forward to all the great videos you’ll make next year

  • @landrybeck
    @landrybeck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You did a really good job on this, man. Excellent work.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much!

  • @orionwesley
    @orionwesley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Quite a heavy topic tbh but I appreciate all the effort you put into this one.

  • @ajac009
    @ajac009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was more wanting to hearing about STAR TREK pre history then another video about nuclear war and its aftermath tons of those on here.

  • @mikepasley4028
    @mikepasley4028 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro, you outdid yourself with this video. Awesome job!

  • @BennysBenz
    @BennysBenz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really went for the gusto on this one. Well done.

  • @boduke9428
    @boduke9428 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These videos are so far behind TH-cam quality. They easily surpass current startrek in both accuracy and passion. Thank you sir for the time and effort put into them.

    • @SportyMabamba
      @SportyMabamba 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think you meant “far beyond YT quality”, but it looks like auto-cucumber intervened 😅

  • @wesrrowlands8309
    @wesrrowlands8309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not just a good Trek video explaining things but a good nuclear war video in general, usually when it's covered either they cram too much info into it or they explain it like we all have PHDs.

  • @uroborous01
    @uroborous01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    dang my dude almost a year! hey thank you for your hard work and dedication. the end result is really really good.

  • @jfrankcarr
    @jfrankcarr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really great production on this episode!

  • @josefa.trinidad4137
    @josefa.trinidad4137 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First time watching this channel, you have yourself a new subscriber. Great video! 👍🏽

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Josef! And welcome.

  • @davidwilliams8405
    @davidwilliams8405 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, well done Orangeriver-dude, well done! As a child and later veteran of the Cold War, and not to mention one of the biggest Star Trek Geeks this side of the Mississippi, I can totally relate to this topic! I never realized how the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction was always just over the horizon. I spent 24 years in the Navy, and we had all sorts of training, simulations, etc, in dealing with (mostly triage of injured and the near-dead) in CBR (Chemical, Biological and Radiation) scenarios. A lot of the time we treated it as a game, sometimes with annoyance because it interfered with liberty...but never really, fully comprehended the tactile, actual reality behind these scenarios. I'm not at liberty to discuss specific details but I can say the U.S. and the U.K. have realized what an extinction event that even a minor, limited exchange of nuclear strikes would be on the human race. Sorry for the loss of your raincoat, I mean "CBR" outfit...if there was actual radiation in those woods you would have been dead as a doorknob...your neck was exposed. Hmmm, have you ever watched both versions of "On the Beach" (1959 & 2000)?

  • @Bshipbuilder
    @Bshipbuilder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Thanks for the hard work.

  • @carlmlavallierejr8367
    @carlmlavallierejr8367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am really liking ur work on Trek, well done!!!

  • @ericwilliams2574
    @ericwilliams2574 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This video on Star Trek lore, its basis, and execution is your best work yet!
    Thank you for all of this and the hard thought and work you put into this!

  • @BillHawkins0318
    @BillHawkins0318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic work. No other words to describe it.

  • @drkakophanos3013
    @drkakophanos3013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting. Star Trek was ahead of its time. Like all good scifi it makes you think about what could be. Fantastic production, simple uncomplicated and told the story well.Thanks!

  • @ajbonine69
    @ajbonine69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I know Trek knowledge such as yours isn't currency to everyone but it damn sure is to me. Holy crap, what an impressive video. It also serves as a fantastic PSA warning against nuclear war, always an important lesson.

    • @MagnumInnominandum
      @MagnumInnominandum 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The lesson of Star Trek is that humans don't learn lessons

  • @ClintSprayberry
    @ClintSprayberry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That was AMAZING dude!! Fantastic!!!!!!!!!

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks Clint! There's a reason I saved this for the end of the year lol

  • @mcdowelltw
    @mcdowelltw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant video. Tells the truth about the horrors of nuclear war. Well done. Keep up the good work.

  • @FWCC1
    @FWCC1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am a TREKKIE! Went to several Conventions. THIS IS EXCELLENTLY DONE and I know it took a lot of work and research. WELL DONE!

  • @cicero2410
    @cicero2410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't know why, but it kind of felt like you said "Khan-flicts" right as Ricardo Montalbán squints vexedly and that just made me laugh. Keep up the excellent content!

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hahaha, I was wondering when someone would pick up on this. It was, as Bob Ross would say, a happy accident!

  • @ClassicMagicMan
    @ClassicMagicMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Masterfully done.

  • @jamesabernethy7896
    @jamesabernethy7896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've only got around to watching this now. You always do great videos but this was really a showcase for your talents. I don't want this to be taken the wrong way because it would have taken a lot of work but you did so much with so little. About this time last year I watched a video that depicted a timeline of a war if NATO and the Warsaw pact countries went to war during the 80's. That really put a knot in my stomach.

  • @aztekno2012
    @aztekno2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, this is great stuff! Thank you for making it. I like your vision. You have a new subscriber!

  • @cw4karlschulte661
    @cw4karlschulte661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I grew up in the cold war era, in Civil Defense, as radio operator and radiation monitor. My town was just across bay from NYC to north ( just below area in the bomb radius map). At the base of Sandy Hook. When a Nike missle site on our big hill blew up, we thought it was NYC until no white flash came. This was very real to us. Look at old table radios from early 1950's and you will see two circled triangles at each end of the dial. These were where Conelrad stations would give instructions after nuke attack.

    • @lamarravery4094
      @lamarravery4094 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Come on now, all you had to do was duck and cover, lol.

  • @davidgriffin9412
    @davidgriffin9412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The problem is Star Trek contradicts itself. There was the Eugenics Wars but in the episode "The Omega Glory", Spock comments after the tattered US flag is brought in by the Yangs that they had fought a third nuclear war that Earth had managed to avoid.

    • @solunasunrise
      @solunasunrise 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      just because you use nukes in a war doesn t have to be a world war ....

    • @davidgriffin9412
      @davidgriffin9412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@solunasunrise You are right in that. I misquoted the episode, Spock said that they had fought the 3rd World War that you Earth avoided.

    • @solunasunrise
      @solunasunrise 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidgriffin9412 mhm okay

    • @benjamincourts4685
      @benjamincourts4685 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The eugenics war and ww3 were not the same thing in Star Trek

    • @emsleywyatt3400
      @emsleywyatt3400 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We had it, they just had it worse.

  • @mrichar9
    @mrichar9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    daaamn this is a great production
    thank you for putting this together.
    LLAP

  • @damonledford180
    @damonledford180 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job to all of you! Such extensive knowledge and research. Thank you!

  • @rjonboy7608
    @rjonboy7608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is sort of the "head canon" I remember from before the movies. Back when they thought a "limited exchange" of nukes would be survivable. Before they knew that even that would fry all technology and render the climate unlivable. Basically the endgame between the "vicious" Soviet power bloc and the "noble" west it was thought to be a city-killer event leaving areas outside the blast zones. Some indication was made of Fusion or Neutron devices not so "dirty", still fiction to us.
    This was thought to have left certain protected facilities like Cheyenne Mountain in several areas full of "good, Christian (white), English speaking personnel" whose children then proceeded to resettle and decomtaminate the land. They would have stockpiled medical equipment, seeds, fertilizer, carbon capture, radioactive particle capture devices, etc., it just took them decades to get going and decades more to unite the planet. And of course, lots of military tech to conquer every warlord like Kahn. The archives of technology and philosophy would be the key to preventing centuries of dark ages.

    • @crhu319
      @crhu319 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And notice there's still a Russia in TOS. A Japan. But...no China?

  • @aggrobreaker
    @aggrobreaker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this!

  • @RNemy509
    @RNemy509 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You did a great job with the video!

  • @tomstev5026
    @tomstev5026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic. Subbed because of this video. Thanks for a great video