@@welfare_baybee and for example the Road King Special just went up in price again, my local Indian dealer is offering a Springfield Darkhorse for 4k less, with more features. I rode one last year, it’s not as nice but it’s good enough. So I get it.
You know for me it's the traffic I live in Las Vegas and everybody here is from somewhere else but I've been here 22 years there's so much traffic here now it just makes it unfun and dangerous now I've wrecked quite a few times and actually enjoy it but I don't want to die on my way home to from work and I got forced to even a trailer and has thirteen speed bumps on the way out with no cut outs from motorcycles and I'm just like **** it I'm a rebel but at some point it's like uh probably better not
@@KennyQuestShow Even though the build quality might be slightly less, the drivetrain is superior and it's in its infancy. If we keep supporting Indian they will only get better, which will also force HD to finally get their act together.
Many choose the solo ride, myself included. But the survey respondents, riders with 3 years or less experience who bought new Harley’s cited lack of a riding buddy as a reason they no longer ride.
Riding for 45 years. Prefer solo. Done many group rides with my buddies, but they just ride too far. I'm a disabled vet, so I have about a 30 minute time limit riding, max, and I feel I would ruin their ride having to stop all the time, so I just stay solo.
The main issue for the harley riders group is that the imagery is very very particular. It’s of a group of blokes riding Harley’s who dress like an outlaw motorcycle gang members. Why would anybody want to dress and look like a bunch of drug dealing violent hoodlums? In America it seemed that that persona rules but prior to ww2 bike clubs were not outlaws but sporting and social groups sharing the experiences of the bikes and the skills needed. Harley chose to promote the outlaw style and thus has alienated every other sort of rider. Perhaps the 3 yr thing is about a dissatisfaction with this image that goes with Harley’s, The risk of disappointment is very strong when you spend 30 to 40 thousand dollars and then find you are no better off, no new friends and you carry so much baggage. It’s sad because the young ones are not riding at all, or driving, or travelling.
@Paul-kp1tu who spends 30-40k on harley that doesn't understand the culture? What young guy has 30k to drop on a bike? These sportsbike clubs have the same outlaw mentality. The 3yr drop off has to do with these older guys not having the time to ride. I personally know ppl with 40k bikes that don't ride often. More than likely after they're done paying off the bike, they realize they never rode it to begin with and sell it. Many arent cut to be on 2s. The reason why harley doesn't have young riders has to do with price. End of story
I’m 73, been riding for six years. I hate riding with 13:55 people. I ride over 12,000 miles a year in New England. Bikes include Ninja, Thruxton, and BMWs. I’m not anti social, I just want the freedom to ride, stop, take a picture, turn left, right, or go straight without looking in my mirror to see if anyone is keeping up with me.
That 100% correct. Ride the 2 wheeled station wagon a couple miles, eat, get fatter all while wearing the Halloween biker costume. Lets not forget that riding in some parts of the country pretty much suck. The metroplex with all the traffic and idiots talking on their cell phones and the straight up idiots that don't know how to drive really ruin it.
I think based on your comment that I am one of the few long time riders that responded to the survey. Of course though I did bash them about the Board of Directors and the CEO that has no idea about American values and riding motorcycles. And how they are destroying the brand. They probably dumped my response.
Hi Mr. Kenny! Long term rider, about 50 years, solo rider, I didn't get surveyed (LoL), I have owned my Harley since 2014. Cannot afford new bikes. Ridiculous price for badge, paint extra (ridiculous), black finish extra?? (seriously??). Riding is therapeutic, mental floss, next best feeling compared to flying, exposure to elements and use all your blessed senses, beautiful passion to experience! Feeling sad that people can lose interest!?!
I agree with all you have said. A preowned Harley is a good value. My 1996 was $18,999 plus fees brand new and it was common in the 90’s to pay over msrp. I bought it for $5k, spent another $3k to get her where I needed her. $8k for the win. Riding it…. Priceless!
I’m sure my local HOG chapter is full of nice people, but one look at those vests loaded with patches and ropes and I’m just like ‘meeeeehhh, I don’t want to be seen with that’. Can’t they just meet up and have good rides and events without all the theatrics of needing to wear the obsurd vests.
Of course they can, but just because you don't want to wear that stuff, what makes you think they'd think less of you for that? I've ridden for 50 years plus. I don't care what anyone rides, what anyone wears, or what anyone says. Live and let live I say. That means letting people do what THEY want, when they want, how they want. That seems to bother you somehow. Let's put this another way. I'm sure the local sports bike riders club is full of nice people, but one look at those Power Rangers in neon coloured suits and I'm just like 'meet, I don't want to be seen with that'. Can't they just meet up and have good rides and events without all the theatrics of needing to wear absurd one piece leather boot suits? See how arrogant and superior that sounds? Perhaps not.
I get people assuming to no patches on my jacket or vests that I just started riding. I never needed a patch or a pin to prove i ride. If I ever have a patch sewn on, it'll say, " I don't need a patch to prove it ride."
@@synonyx my HOG chapter is nothing like the comments in this feed. Yeah some Road Captains wear their vest , but it’s not a requirement or an item. Cleveland HOG Chapter 3696. We do a lot of things.
I'm 69 and have been riding for 53 years. I bought my first Harley, April 2023. This is my last Harley. The quality control is not there. I now have 13000 miles on it. I belong to the Blue Knights for 23 years and we do over 200 miles round trip for lunch. I have had 3 spills. I always dress for the slide. I live in SC. I see riders in shorts and flip flops.
Every time I run into someone who is even slightly interested in learning to ride, I emphatically suggest they take MSF courses. I explain that MSF provides the bikes at no cost (at least it used to be). I tell them it's a good way for them to find out if riding is for them without investing in a bike. Also, when they pass the course, they get their license and a 15% discount on their insurance.
I was a member of my local HOG group for years, but for many of those exact reasons you mentioned I am no longer am a member. I have my own group of buddies that I ride with and it makes the experience much more enjoyable. Well done sir...
I bought a used 2018 Softail Sport Glide. Kept it about 1.5 year. Rode in some groups. Everyone had loud modified exhaust systems, and I have tinnitus, constant ringing in my ears, that is attenuated by loud noises,e exhaust sounds and backfiring explosions. Many of the Harley riders in the groups were flat out outlaws, speeding everywhere, running stop lights, sometimes running red lights, true Lane Splitting here in CA, generally experienced but unsafe riders, where seeing a speed limit sign isn't even a suggestion, if you aren't scrapping pegs, you aren't cornering fast enough. Packed it all in and bought a couple of BMW R1250's in GS and RT formats. The RT is quiet, has shaft drive, and is a touring motorcyclists dream, if you equip it with a top box. it doesnt't burn the inside of my right leg if at a red light in the summer time. The BMW changed my perspective about motorcycles and motorcyclists. I still ride mostly alone. Less chance of an accident with someone in front of you doing something stupid in the group, or showing off their A type personality and stupidity. There's a lot of bold riders, on bikes, begging for Darwin Awards, sooner or later.
I hear things about those cali riders. Asshats in every crowd, with beamers it’s the S1000 riders and pretentious r9T bro’s. That aside if you ride what your riding doesn’t matter what just don’t be an ass, enjoy the experience and be kind to fellow riders we’ll all live longer and be happier..
I'm 65, and have been riding on the street since age 16. Before that I rode off road on a 100cc dirt bike starting around age 12. I have owned over 40 bikes, and ridden over a million miles. I ALWAYS ride alone. My riding time is MY time. Way back when I was young I tried carrying a passenger, and quickly decided I would never do that again. I have NEVER crashed a street bike. My main type of street riding is touring. But NOT on a big bagger with a fairing and windshield. I tried a Goldwing, that didn't last very long. It was like riding a 2 wheeled car. Out of all the bikes I have owned, only three have been Harleys. All three were bought used. All three had/have carbureted EVO engines. I still own and ride two of them. A 1989 FXRS Low Rider, bought in 2003, and my first Harley, and a 2002 Sportster 1200C, bought in 2016. Both these bikes have bright shiny paint, lots of bright aluminum and chrome. I have added more chrome, and pretty stock looking aftermarket slip ons to make them sound like Harleys. For me, the whole point of owning/riding a Harley is the way they look, sound, and feel. I am not into the brand. I have owned Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, Royal Enfield, and vintage Triumph and BSA. I loved almost all of them. But none of them had the Harley look, sound, and feel. The fact is that H-D no longer makes anything I want. Not even close. In fact, you couldn't give me a new one, unless I could sell it and keep the money. They no longer have that Harley look, sound, and feel, they are mostly blacked out computers on wheels that can't be worked on or modified by an owner. Every single bike I have ever owned has been carbureted. I will NEVER own a computer bike. And I like bright shiny bikes with LOTS of chrome (though I'll pass on the neon green grips) The M8 engine has no feel, it's CANbus computer system is an absolute nightmare, and almost all the bikes it's in are flat black. The Sportster was the last real Harley (although they ruined it with computerized garbage and soaked it in flat black) and now it's gone. Other than small displacement dual sport bikes, I am a cruiser rider. A traditional cruiser rider. I wouldn't touch something like the Pan America or the "Sportster S", which is not a Sportster at all, with a 10 foot pole. H-D no longer makes "Harleys". And even for those who do want them, no one can afford them. $30,000-$40,000 for a new one, and after 10 years, H-D will no longer touch it, and independent shops don't have the diagnostic equipment or information available to it, so you have a very expensive boat anchor. My '89 FXRS is still running just fine, I can work on it, an independent Harley shop can work on it, and it will easily outlast me. The aftermarket makes all the parts necessary to keep it going. In fact, as sad as it is, if you want a new REAL Harley, you will have to build it from aftermarket parts. H-D has done this to themselves. And they have no one to blame but themselves. And their woke leftist German CEO.
Oh. I don’t do the whole HOG thing. I did go on two or three group rides a few years back and that stuff isn’t for me. I wouldn’t knock anyone that does it, it’s just NOT for me. I’m happy to ride alone.
45 years of riding solo, I don’t ride for anyone else’s approval but my own. But in those years I sorta went down once. Hit sand pulling a u turn. You need some rider courses so you’ll stop crashing
I hit the sugar sand once, mechanical failure once, grabbed front brake in my second month. That said I helped myself by doing cone drills in parking lots using ride like a pro curriculum. Never stop practicing.
At 71 I've been around a while! Reflecting on my motorcycling history. I have found that the number one thing that determines how much riding I do is the familiarity of the roads near me. NUMBER 2 How far to some new road and experience? I am blessed to live in an area that has some of the most beautiful and relaxing motorcycling roads in the world. Seven miles from the entrances to the Blue Ridge Parkway and Skyline Drive. The art of riding for me has always been keeping in balance the love/hate relationship of riding. Riding is expensive sometimes really uncomfortable and always dangerous. A cool evening ride along the Parkway when its 98 degrees with high humidity down in valley just can't be beat!
I've been riding 53 years, had everything from 90cc 2 stroke twins to 1300 in line 6 cyl. dressers. I've had 2 Harleys, a 1992 Heritage and a 2003 Road Glide. I enjoyed both and had little issue with either. I have seen AND experienced the pitfalls of motorcycle riding and ownership. I very seldom ride with more than 1 partner, I always ride one up. As for the wane in motorcycle riding, I believe one of the biggest issues is the upcoming generation of potential riders. Very few of them don't even want to be outside, and since they can't ride AND scroll on their "device", they are choosing their device. I hope this changes but I doubt it, at least with gen Z. Another issue that I see, as a retired 43 year motorcycle tech, I watched motorcycles becoming more complex, with more electronics, fuel injection, ABS, etc. etc. One of the appeals with motorcycles has always been the ability of the owners to work on them, upgrade them, tinker on them. Can't do that now, and I believe this complexity, just like modern cars, is destroying a part of motorcycle ownership that was/is still dear to a lot of us.
It is sad to see this generation's relationship with machines changing. Hey how is your Road Glide on the interstate with only 5 speeds on that 88 TC? Is it smooth at 80mph? My EVO smooth spot is around 70.
i have to get tires on my 07 softail at a Honda shop because the local HD shop says they don't service bikes over 10 yrs old. Obviously never buying another one.
I am a HOG life member who has been in the saddle for 55 years now. The first 5 years in HOG, I was very involved with the group and was the Safety Officer. Then I moved overseas for a few years and when I came back, had no interest in any of the local groups. I ride daily and most of them ride every weekend or two and those are to a bar to get drunk. 'll always be a life member, but have been a solo rider for the past 30 years and will likely continue unless I find a group when I retire, that has similar interests.
Hey I know that chapter. Good guys. I'm a member in a couple chapters. They both offer rides for new members but only one or two show up. The best part about HOG is you automatically have something in common. Its hard to break into clicks at any age. Sometime you just have to put yourself out there.
Yes you do, ultimately it’s on you to fulfill your journey. I wonder if these 36 month owners just didn’t have local support in place to bring them in or they felt inadequate with putting themselves out there.
@@KennyQuestShow yeah. I've been riding for 30+ years. I've had sporadic riding buddies but the HOG group is the 1st time I've been a part of something like it. Turned in to making friends that we do now HOG rids. Just a nice opportunity to meet new people. That 36 months was probably during vivid when people picked it up, then let it go. Maybe those that wanted to save money on gas. Ride safe. Great topic.
@ I thought, in hindsight, it might be pandemic related. Life resumed and just under 40% of buyers from 3 to 4 years ago when surveyed gave up riding after their life returned to normal.
I have been riding since I was 16 I am now 72 I have had different brands I now have a 2003 ultra classic and a 2022 tri glide and will never buy another new Harley the price is going up and the quality is going down .That said another reason is I took my Tri glide in for its 1000 checkup and the animals at the dealership washed the engine with aluminum cleaner which destroyed the chrome .The dealership said I probably road behind a salt truck and one of the salesman told me what happened as for HD customer service they are totally worthless .Now I have paid cash for all my bikes so I won’t go back to the dealership I bought the trike at .I joined a Harley club and then Harley forced them out of business after 65 years so the hog club moved to another dealership which is 60 plus miles from me which is all interstate highway .Now I don’t go therefor rides and another reason I will never buy another new Harley is the Woke board of directors and the CEO who care more about the far left and there kinky garbage .So the wife and I will ride lone wolf and ride the memorial rides .So to put it bluntly the hell with Harley Davidson and there corporate owned dealers.
No one to ride with? For most people being alone for any lenght of time is sheer torture. They cannot stand being alone in their head. They need constant affirmation and distraction of some kind, that's why they can't put down their phones.
been riding for 55 years I hate gps, abs, computer screens etc, still ride the people now are into all of that with cell phone too. no wonder they get board/ it is not about the ride anymore. with their gps they can go no where. just give me a old fold up map
This is my second Harley 2024 Road Glide. Last one was a 2018 Road King. Love the bike. Usually ride with my wife or one friend. I like it like that. Just can't get into all Harley BS. Tattoos patches and everything Harley turns me off. I ride a Harley because I like the bike. That's it. I've had 6 different bikes. I like my Harley the best
66 and slowly wearing out a 02 Road King 140,000 miles and hoping it outlast me. Mostly just me I stop alot nature-scenic photographer so few can put up with that and for my safety I ride alone, however I have one friend whom I trust, he rides a rocket (sport bike)......can't wait till spring in about six more months in wi
67 and riding 2003 RK. 494,000 miles. On my 3rd engine, a S&S 124. I have a few on my StreetGlide so I have my 500k HOG patch. I won't encourage anyone to get a motorcycle because I would not want them to experience the situations I've survived. Nor do I want to attend anymore funerals.
Wife and I been riding for about 7 years now. Im 61 and we didnt ride from Kids till about 2017. Most chapter members are older and don't do things that I think younger members would be interested in doing. A lot of people from 20 to 60 are busy with life. Every chapter should try to get and younger riders involved in ride that interest them. Group rides can be intimidating when you first start riding. I think that is a big thing that older riders might not understand. One chapter I'm in an older guy would drop his bike on nearly every ride. Positive note helps others know it's not a big deal.
Well….. this is a very honest video of someone concern with the future of motorcycling. In the case of Harley, their allure to a lifestyle based on pure North American culture and image sells a quick resolve to customers looking to be part of a specific group that not necessarily relates to motorcycling as a skill or an activity that’s liberating and definitely not for everyone ; “ lots of motorcycle owners, very few Motorcyclists “, perhaps the approach need to be more universal. Younger generations are more into purpose, practicality and advantages rather than image… an image that they can’t relate to. Motorcycling is a lifestyle not an image. If you want to ride responsibly and safely you need to be serious about it. This is not an amusement park ride. Riders need to invest time and effort to learn an become proficient at the craft of motorcycling, this “ image “ Thing should be the last of your concerns. Most bike owners never learn how to ride that’s the reason they leave motorcycling. Stricter motorcycle licensing requirements just may be the answer. At 71, full time rider: ST1300 / RC51. Started in ‘75 and ride every day, all the time since then.
I showed up at the local dealers weeknight ride. It was a long one: 17 miles. Good thing I had topped-off the gas tank prior to arriving. We arrive at the destination, and these clowns are high-fiving and woop-woop, Live free, Ride hard! Yeah! We made it!
So many good used low mileage most mint condition for sale bc of the outcome of this survey so why buy New Harley for all them dollars when this guy got a gently used one for half price Harleys are expensive new ones
bad roads and really insane drivers since the pandemic has a lot to do with folks giving up at least here in Minnesota. white SUVs are unguided missiles that never see stop signs and race into round a bouts like never before. it bothers me but not enough to stop.
Kenny is the Shovelhead back in business? Man I had lots of great times there years ago! Sorry my bad I was thinking about Handlebars up the road a bit
I am in the market for a touring bike for two up riding. I seriously considered a new Harley Davidson, but my wife says she doesn’t “wanna be associated with those people who wear vests with the patches”. Looking at other options now. I ride with my cousin occasionally but I prefer to ride solo.
Don't let your wife's perception of a group of people affect your decision. It’s about the ride. She’ll get that. But if all else fails get a Goldwing. Any metric bagger looks like a Harley to the general public.
@ I normally don’t let her influence my decisions, she’s a very passive woman, and I’ve been married to her since 1993. I also have a good reputation to uphold due to my work. We as motorcycle riders understand the difference, but the general public…they live in a different reality. This time I’m gonna give her this one. So I will check out a Honda Goldwing or a BMW. Maybe even a big ADV bike since She loves camping. I am aging out of motorcycles and I could possibly talk her into a Harley Davidson trike upon retirement.
@@KennyQuestShow Need to go on some Hog rides & she'll realize that they are not big, nasty, drug dealing rapists !! Most members are exactly like she & you are, just a couple going out to enjoy the day... The general public doesn't have a clue about what bike brand most people ride, (& don't care!) a bikes a bike to them. Give it a shot, she might be surprised to find her perception is wrong. BTW You can still ride a Harley & ride together or with close friends if she doesn't like "patches" (ex Hog member)
Hmmmm.... am noticeably past 75 and still ride -- although I've become much more of a fair-weather rider... don't think I was ever tempted by the HOG group(s), but do enjoy my Heritage Softail; not as much as my old Evo, but it's pretty fulfilling... mostly ride to get away from folks, not join them, and enjoy longer rides (several tanks of gas at least), but have been riding that way since the late 60s -- used to have one guy I'd ride with, but my last bikes have been loud enough without any need for additional pipes...
I was riding an EVO heritage in this video. She’s been temperamental but I love it. Yeah nothing clears the mind like 3 tank fulls of riding time. Then stop toss up the tent and do it again the next day.
69 years old. Been riding since I was 7... if you count the mini bike with the clutch ringing...and trying to wheelie it over a little bump in the back yard. Currently have 3 bikes. One is my 1973 Rickman Zundapp ISDT . Which I bought new. Its a basket case because I sold it to a friend who took it appart. Then gave it back in pieces. Then theres my 1978 Superglide. I bought new in 1978. And my "new" Harley. Which is an '06. Bought for my 50th birthday. The Rickman was my first real motorcycle. Before that I was riding other peoples bikes. In the dirt. I rode the Rickman on and off road. I had a 72 Honda 750 and a 1975 Kawasaki 900 Z1b. I wish I kept them too. Never been much into group riding. Always some fool acting stupid. Or crashing... but I did have a couple of friends over the years that I rode with regularly. Good close friends on and off the bikes. But we were going someplace. We had peaceful places to ride to. Events that most likely had nothing to do with bikes. Other than we love to ride. Living in NJ has always meant dealing with insane drivers. Its just part of the experience. These realities discussed here are of Harleys own making. Lightly used bikes have been available for years after the insanity of the Evo/Twin cam buying craze. Where everyone with enough money to help inflate prices was waiting in line a year to buy a new Harley at rediculous prices. You would see them for sale... 1200 miles... listed with the serial number... as if they were classic Ferarris... Those folks never rode much. They started not shaving Wednesday morning so they would look scruffy enough when they took their Saturday ride to the dealer for a T shirt and fellowship. Ice cream on the way home. The factory gave them HOG to ride with. Not really a new thing as there were these types of clubs back in the 30s and 40s. But most of these people were not riders. They wanted to feel the freedom. But they wanted the security of a group. And a new bike they never had to tinker with. Maintenence or modifications performed at the dealer for shocking prices. That whole scene turned me off when ever I went near them on my Shovelhead... as they looked down their nose snearingly. I couldnt even have a motorcycle enthusiast conversation. Im into all things motorcycle... since I was a child. But all they wanted to talk about was how much money they spent having the dealer swap out parts. In one of those conversations I said my Shovelhead has 40,000 miles on it and has never been appart. They looked at me like I was nuts. Mostly now I ride to work... yes still working at 70. Its a convenient location to ride to and I live in a ruralish area with great roads. Ill never buy another new Harley. Never sell my old ones. And never go near the dealership unless I need something bad that they might have. And I live less than 2 miles from a dealership. You would think I was the primary customer for a new Harley. Yet I dont even look at the new bikes in the showroom. For the last 30 years they seem to have done everything possible to alienate me. Ohh well. Always wanted a Panhead.
And now if you have a shovel and you’re out and about your fawned over, it’s like the scales have flipped upside down. So great, we have the yuppie dudes from the 90’s to blame for conditioning dealers that we’ll over pay and I guess I’m riding one of those inflated 90’s priced bikes that I bought for $5k. Truth is enough Harley’s have been made that we don’t need them to produce or sell as many as they have in the past and I see a possible future where they limit their offerings and significantly scale back. But as a community of riders we need to band together to help our own and welcome new riders into the community.
I’m 62 years old , bought my first HD in 1988, an 1985 Softail Standard . I’ve been riding since ( minus the 4 years I was married ) . I ride with friends , very close friends or solo. I did one HOG ride and while all nice folks it wasn’t my cup of tea.
I have 12 bikes, been riding 30+ years. My 18 yo son does not ride at all, even though he rode dirt when younger. This next generation ain't about this, unfortunately.
Im 30 and started riding at 25 i personally influenced 5 people i know to start riding. Im not your typical harley rider if i have a vest it has no patches just talking to people around me no one bought new bikes but 4 bought used harleys off Facebook and 1 bought a triumph only the triumph guy financed.
I've been riding since I was about 9 or 10. I would go down the back dirt roads and I had a blast. I guess I got so used to riding alone that I like it a lot. I have friends who ride and every now and then I go on short rides with them. But, I prefer to go alone. When your with a group they dictate to you where to go. That's what I don't like. Everyone has a preference. Keep riding!
If you take that survey in rural areas instead of urban areas you'd get a totally different answer. I have a rural buddy that has bought and sold 5-6 bikes ladt summer to now. He had a good job has free housing from family members all passing and he's single. With a ton of money in the bank a farm with buildings to fill its great for him. I still own the first Harley I bought. Ive only sold one of three Harleys I've owned. That's the one I should have kept. I just needed money to get newer one. Group riding is ok for a short distance but after a ways people get bored and start looking around and bang a crash and it takes 10-15 people with them. Anchorage HOG on summer, made it out of town and on highway a bolder fell off mountain and took out a leader and 15-20 others killed up. All riding in position. I ride alone!
Have 2 Harleys, 05' Road King done as vicla, and 12' cvo Electraglide for w8fe and i. 50 years old, have owned other brands but always had a Harley, and always will, great local dealer as well 5 mins away. I avoid riding with others, on any bike. Had GSXR as recent as 2 years ago.
My first HD was an 883 hugger new in 1988. My second was 1995 evo FXDL that I couldn't keep after 8 years and life changes. I now have a 1999 FXDL and carefully plan life to change at a speed I can keep up with. It's on my channel for addicts.
I've ridden with different groups of and on over the 50+ years I've ridden - but these days I really prefer riding by myself. I can go where I want, stop anywhere I want for as long as I want, and I don't have to be concerned about riding in a group... which in my view these days is more trouble than it's worth. It's just much less stressful riding alone. The last group of people I used to ride with 10 years ago just withered down to nothing as more and more people sold their bikes and moved on to other things. And of course, there was that ONE GUY - and there's ALWAYS that one guy - who caused all kinds of drama and basically poisoned the group by turning people against each other. It got really stressful and unpleasant. I'm never going to get myself into that situation again... I just want to RIDE without stress. About the next generation of riders... this is frustrating. I started riding way back in 1972, in high school. I rode for two years before I ever even had a 4-wheel vehicle. Back then, my little Honda CB350 was FREEDOM to me. I loved riding it, and over the years I traded up to bigger and faster bikes. I now ride a 2012 FLHXSE3 CVO Street Glide with the Twin Cam 110" engine, and I will ride it until I can't ride anymore. I love it, and I can work on it myself. I just put new Zipper's RedShift RS587 cams in it, and new Cobra PowerPort headers and 4" Rinehart mufflers on it. I'm retuning it currently. But, today's young people, taken as a group, just don't seem very interested in riding. Between my wife and me, we have 5 grown children from 45 down to 30 - and NONE of them ride, nor do I expect any of them to EVER ride. It's just not part of their world at all. None of them have ever even operated a motorcycle to my knowledge. To them, vehicles are simply things they need to get them from place to place. Performance and fun don't enter the equation at all. They are all about utility and little else, and it saddens me to realize that they will never experience the thrill of riding a motorcycle on curvy roads, as I grew up doing and still enjoy doing. I can't say that I understand our kids' view of life - but what parents ever really do? It is what it is, I guess, but it's frustrating to me nonetheless. To me, that's the really telling part of the hurdles facing the motorcycle market... there are more and more manufacturers chasing fewer and fewer riders - and in Harley's case with more and more expensive bikes that the VAST majority of younger riders simply cannot afford and don't really want. That isn't a very positive environment for the manufacturers, especially companies like Harley - and to a lesser extent Indian, because Indian at least has some lower-priced offerings, and Harley really doesn't anymore.
You encapsulated the entire issue right there. We grew up outside playing with contraptions, kids of the 80’s through now played with video games and watched cable tv. They live vicariously. We need a reset.
@@KennyQuestShow We certainly DO! I think our world is going in the wrong direction. My grandkids' lives are all so highly structured, it's pathetic. They never have any unstructured time because their parents have every day packed with supervised, highly structured activities. And they are ALWAYS wanting to be on the iPad to play some video game. You're right, their reality is virtuality. It concerns me greatly.
I don't own a Harley but I do own Honda VTX cruiser 1300 and a naked 650 .. I love my cruiser wouldn't give it up for anything but I definitely pull out the 650 a lot more for a little errands cuz it's just easier than pulling out the cruiser. I definitely would have a lot less riding time if I didn't have the other option than just the cruiser
I have been riding since my teens and I just loved, and still love the sensation of riding. I find my social life and attachment with others from other sources, so riding in groups has never been a motivator for me. I love touring and had a Road Glide and a Road King before, but I just don’t find Harleys fun to ride, so my bike for the last 4 years has been a BMW K1600 GT. I wonder if some of the others in that group who traded their Harleys away after 3 years traded for other brands.
Harley should do more rider courses at all levels through the local dealership. For instance, my wife took the beginner rider course through our local Harley Dealership, but there are no next level courses besides us pursuing one through the private market. If Harley stayed engaged with riders through their riding progression it would create more loyalty for new riders.
They need to teach these 1%ers how to ride their baggers lmao I see these 2 wheeled gangbangers dump their bikes in parking lots and onramps wayyyy too much. So embarrassing.
YES! They need more advanced courses. They just need to SEE how that will help sell more bikes and/or parts. Trust me when the numbers start dwindling in sales these programs will become popular. Every specialty retailer from cooking equipment to Ferrari dealerships have specialized training for its customers.
Been riding since 1977, had several bikes and brands, on my 2nd harley, luv my road glide limited 😊 rode 2 sturgis and back twice and planning a 3rd trip...
I'm 58, and I've been riding most of my life. I have noticed my riding has slowed down after our harley dealership closed up. Use to go there and visit with club and chapter members. Now I would have to ride 175 miles to the next one and I dont know anyone there. Even if I did there's no guarantee there going to be there when I get there. I do have a club that I ride with but the bike is not trustworthy any more and since I haven't been riding it it will probably sit in the garage with the other toys that I wore out.
I've been riding since 1969 & by myself. It will continue that way. I do not need another rider for my trips. I get on the bike & GO. Don't stop until I get there or for gas. I use the bike everywhere I go except in bad weather. Video is true//Never ride with a group. Plain & simple: You have to want to ride-it is your passion to ride. If you've any doubt whatsoever, stop. Motorcycles are NOT your bag man. Only time I've dumped a bike is in gravel in a corner & another time, a gust of wind blew me off the road. That was scary. Know your bike & practice with it-low speed handling especially. Learn how to ride in the rain. Know your bike's limits & your own limits. P.S. How many Shovelheads are sitting on the parking lot of the Shovelhead Lounge?
Most of my riding friends have died I am age 73. I prefer to ride by myself, (2 wheel therapy) sometimes I have a passenger. I do not have or want any communication devices connecting me to anyone. Riding is more enjoyable just listing to the mechanical and exhaust notes. Since retirment 2009 I have not ridden out of state only within 100 miles of home. I have ridden with different groups of people of different skill level. Several group rides inevitably 1 or 2 start doing STUPID, I have been the lead motor, usually I like to ride as the last motor in the group with a large distance separating me from the rest of the group. When I was employed at the H-D assembly in York, PA I road dayly from 1995 to 2009 rain, sleet, snow, or hail, I rode sidecar during slippery weather, I averaged over 100,000 miles total each year amoung the 5 motorcycles I owned. Currently I have 4 motorcycles and ride less than 1000 miles in warm months. I purchased a Miata because my brother-in - law scared her on his motor so she will not ride on my motor. When I road to Church my sister sometimes didn't go - sleeping late. With the Miata I pick her up every Sunday unless she is sick or has an in-law family reunion.
@@mitchmurray117 yes 1995 to 2009 I only drove 4 wheels when the temp was over 90 F, then I drove my air conditioned vehicle. I rode all over Pennsylvania, and Ohio. My employment was 8 hours a day, I rode everyday after work and every weekend, I replaced many tires, and changed much oil and filters.
The pandemic screwed up a lot of things, but I bought my Sportster for commuting. I had a Goldwing for years and belonged to the clubs, but I only did poker runs.
2 reasons I see. Young men are getting into other hobbies since their is an endless amount of things to get into these days. Harley priced the young guys out of getting into a Harley when other brands are cheaper and offering more bang for the buck. The young guys have no brand loyalty. I’ve been riding since I were 32 back in 2011 on my 4th Harley, I’ve never ever considered a hog chapter. To me they want to look like an MC with a bunch or worthless patches all over their vest like it really means something. I went the route of MC and loved it. I’m solo now and still would never deal with hog chapter. All that stuff goes straight into the garbage can.
Great comment. I wonder if these three year and done owners, which I expect, even though the survey documents never stated, are 45 years old on average, because that’s the average age of a Harley buyer according to Harley Davidson, I wonder if there was a better organized community to interact with, so they could grow thier knowledge and experience and someone is there to nudge them if they’d still be riding today?
Most men in their 40’s have probably had a Harley or 2 and maybe got into another brand like Indian.i think the average 3 year rider are in their 30’s or late 20’s. Which makes the argument of the younger kids are not buying Harley’s obsolete and dumb. Maybe not as many today are into the hobby but still buying them. A new riders best bet is to hang out at the Harley shop and dealer rides plus bike night to melt friends. But at the same time considering how rude and stupid people are these days a new rider might think he’s being made fun of for having a lesser bike or older one. As I get older I prefer to be more and more alone and i was the opposite when I were younger and new. They just have to figure it out. Plus the added cost of owning and maintaining a Harley has become very expensive. They getting rid of these bikes before the warranty expires is another reason why.
@ in my area the people in their 20’s and 30’s that ride Harley ride used ones, choppers, sportsters, dynas and have other old bikes too, they bring em to bike night. But the majority in that age group don’t ride Harley. Harley reported last year their average age customer is 45. It was 48 in 2019. That’s progress I guess.
@@Prometheus1979 accurate take on the HOG chapters. All older people with patches and ropes all over the vests. Because they sure aren’t cuts. I want no part of a group of people trying to look like an MC. Nothing about a HOG chapter is attractive to a younger person.
@@synonyx Nothing about a HOG chapter is attractive to this 50-year rider, either. I ride mostly by myself these days. I used to ride in a group of people, but they all lost interest in riding, sold their bikes, and moved on to other things... and I haven't made any new riding friends since. The only reason I would ever join HOG is for the towing coverage.
I've never had a new Harley. I always buy used. I don't want to pay an arm and a leg and be stuck with payments on a vehicle that I want to customize and put hella miles on my bike.
I have those same bars but with the straight shorty risers. Most every H-D shop has events every week. One only need go, loosen up with a beer and meet some people. The best start is in the dirt and H-D is stupid for not having at least a scrambler. Soon there will only be Geezer Glides. HOG rides are like riding in a parade. Slow.
You forgot one. Aging out! I've been riding since I was 7 years old and now 60 years later I and on my last motorcycle, a 21 Road Glide Limited. I'm about to pull the trigger on a sidecar to extend my riding maybe till 72-75 years old. If I don't hang a third wheel I'm done in the next year or two.
Well the survey results were based on new owners who bought a bike between 2019 and 2023, if anyone aged out within that time there wasn’t enough who said so to make the top 3 of the reasons.
@KennyQuestShow Sure. I'm just saying IMHO that's one BIG reason motorcycle sales are down. The typical Harley Davidson rider is aging out AND the motor company is not bringing in young riders. The "new riders" today are middle aged Drs, Dentists, CEOs, etc that are going through their middle aged crisis and trying to capture the youth/outlaw they missed out on! Those riders (for the most part) find out after spending $32k-$$35k that this isn't for them. They then take a BIG loss on the bike and buy a Corvette!!!
@@donzollars8187 well I resemble that remark except I’m not a ceo or doctor, it just took me until middle age to accumulate the funds to afford a Harley.
@KennyQuestShow go ride a Harley through the twisties and then go jump on a triumph tiger and ride it through the twisties and tell me which one feels better
To me it's the same as when I was a kid and all us kids rode our bikes all over the neighborhood together it was awesome now we're just older kids and it's fun to ride with people Go places I never do I always ride by myself but it would be funEver since COVID all my friends are on the interweb and most of them live in Florida I live in Las Vegas it's not much fun riding in Las Vegas I do love writing down to count vamps though but I was getting trouble
The world of motorcycling is changing...the trend worldwide is for smaller, more manageable, lighter bikes. Harley continues to produce beautiful bikes, but unfortunately most are overweight & tall.some are hard to manage in slow situations (parking etc) that's one reason you find people swap for a lighter, smaller bike. Same as Adventure bikes, got to be 8' tall to ride one !! Think of the extra sales brands would have, if they had options for lighter, lower bikes.... I read an article that nearly 10% of Harley's new purchasers are women, fantastic !! but because on average they do not have the same strength as men, moving & riding comes as an extra challenge. I know of many women that get off their learners license riding a small bike, then going straight out & buy a Street Glide or Road Glide ! And then watch them drop them repeatedly on rides trying to negotiate them into parking spots or fuel bowsers ! 2-3 years later they abandon the bike world because they have lost interest.
Love to Ride started age 5 till today @68 & ride south @ least 300 days per year most short 10- 100 Mile Rip & Roars rides solo Harley my choice owned &road the heck outa 3 Harleys but also Honda, Kawasaki and Yamaha’s back when we were young it didn’t matter still don’t matter what you ride just that your ride but riding snot the same as all years past bc so much traffic distracted, drivers populations exploding around me makes riding a lot more dangerous so little less enjoyable, I usually ride to country Roads solo or maybe two or three at most, good friends that I know can ride will never ride big unknown rides in a group ride Never
My two younger brothers 20/25 yrs old both want Dyna's like FXDX or FXDXT's really bad because they see the youngsters riding together and doing stunts.
I rode in my youth but hung up my helmet because of the kids. They are out of the house so in 2023 I returned to riding. I’m accustomed to riding alone. I took the MSF BRC through a Harley Dealer as a refresher, so I get invited to and attend events. I am also a member of a BMW riders group and a Moto Guzzi riders group. There is a big difference between Harley and the BMW and MG groups. HOG events, I shake my head and chuckle, I really don’t get it. There are some riders there, but it does seem mostly about ego and image. I have never seen a group of people so fascinated by smoke and noise. While I have never felt unwelcome showing up on my BMW or my Moto Guzzi, it is clear that I don’t belong, I’m not really accepted, have never been asked to join a ride nor has anyone accepted my invitation to ride. The BMW and MG groups are mostly riders meeting for the love of riding, not ego or image. Some of the BMW group members don’t own BMW. Sure the occasional friendly jab at the other brand is thrown out for humor’s sake, but everyone is welcome and friendly. I have been invited to join rides and riders have accepted my invitation. Entirely different dynamic. And quieter as well😂 For anyone looking for a group, I would suggest join BMW MOA. The have a grant program and reimburse for a part of rider training, the Anonymous book lists members that are willing to help in emergencies, repair, trailer, a place to stay. Other benefits too well worth the membership fee. Then search for BMW MOA affiliated local clubs. You can find the cubs without joining MOA, I know our group welcomes any rider who shows up whether or not they are a member. Some events and rides have fees for non members, but they are always welcome. In all 3 cases, the average age is a bunch of old guys for sure. We would like to see more younger riders joining, they are welcome. It would be nice to have youth in the clubs and be able to carry the club into the future. My son started riding, I am hoping he will join me for some of the meetings and rides. Keep the shiny side up.
I'm 67 been riding bikes since 1974 still got my first Harley I bought in 78 it's a 68 FLH I have a 95 softtail custom I rebuilt after a bad wreck in 09 . I have had 8 back surgeries just bought a 05 softtail standard that I have to put a tranny in got a transmission for a good deal . That bike belonged to my best friend who just passed away today my heart is broken 💔 . I will fix it and ride it in his honor I don't ride in groups anymore most of my brother's have passed away or gave up riding all together. Riding is true freedom it keeps me sane and I'm sure my time will come to give it up but not today. 😎✌️
Did you mention the age group of the survey? I know several old guys that are walking away from motorcycles, but have met several young guys getting into Harleys and other brands. Some are buying Dynas and Softails from individuals. Not the dealership. No survey. And female ownership has greatly increased. You can see for yourself at local events. I stopped participating in local rides due to the amount of bikes that show up. I'm not riding in a group of hundred people that may have started riding recently. Regardless, go to your local dealers "bike night". Pay attention to the turnout.
In my area it’s exactly as you report, dynas, sportsters and Ducati’s for the 20-35 crowd. The survey does not mention age, however the survey reports the average new bike buyer between 2019-2023 is age 45.
Still trying to get my wife back on, she was right behind me when I had my accident 3 years ago. She wants us to get a trike, and im not opposed to it, as long as I keep something on 2 wheels for me. I need to pay something off first, and there is the traction controller issue harley had. Im at abt 4 years back on the bike, and I had a long break. I kinda get how a new rider would feel.
@KennyQuestShow i also don't think I will buy another new harley, ever. I've done it, and it is what it is, but it ties up too much of my money for too long. There is too big of a used market, ive worked on bikes since the 90s, and I went to school to be a mechanic... I have issues with the cost of service, repairs, the worth of esp? I can build a bike, its not a problem. I also have an issue with my dealership closing, and the new dealership that is too far away. My next bike dont even have to be a Harley-Davidson. I love the bikes i have though
@ I’m with you. My preference is to buy vehicles preowned. I made an exception with my first bike, out of fear of the unknown. If I win the lottery I may choose to buy new, but too much depreciation in new bikes. If I ever get a M8, I’d rather pick one up preowned with the stage I or II already done. Lately though my interests are in the older models.
I believe a trike saved us.. hit from rear sitting still... He was 50 mph....messed us up but a year and a half back on another trike... Might take a minute but a trike is ok...
I'm 60 and have been riding most of my life. But when I found out that Harley went woke, I sold both of them. I mostly rode solo. I would ride with the local group for the toys for tots runs but thats it. No interest in joining. My daughter used to ride with me all the time, but she has long since grown up and got married.
Hilarious. 800 lb motorcycles for 75 y.o. guys. No price tags on the bikes at the dealers. The overhead for the dealerships must be beyond belief. Me: Ebike rider. Started riding motorcycles in 1963. Have a 2002 Honda 919 and a 2011 Suzuki 650 Burgman. Bought new. Buy used. Offer half of the asking price. You'll be the only offer.
I’ve been riding since I was a wee lad! I’ve been around some of these groups and for the most part it’s a pretty lame experience! HOG = Horribly Overgrown Goofballs! All those patches and doodads I totally agree that it’s just for show! I’ve been in a few organizations Vet groups (because I’m a combat veteran) and now I’m riding with one of the oldest MC’s in the country… hint, they started out in California in 1946 when they stopped in Hollister CA and drag raced up and down the Main Street and the first President was none other than Wino Willie (RIP Brother Wino) They even made a movie based on that 4th of July weekend called the Wild Ones with Marlon Brando and Lee Marvin. We were in Life magazine that vilified us as outlaws and drunks! Best press we ever had! Still a great club that I have been part of for the last 11 years and proud of it! We ride without fear but we stay in our lane! We don’t subject our members to dangerous situations beyond any control. But we ride hard and ride fast! It’s certainly NOT for everybody. We vet pretty hard on motorcycle skills! We watch each other’s backs. It’s not safe to ride without keeping your head on a swivel! So if you ever run into a group of people who seem to have their sh*t together you might think differently of motorcycle clubs, riding clubs and the like. There is something for every rider. We go see a lot of places and rides that you’ll never forget! Our reputation has kept this club going since 1946! BFU!
I follow Robert Patrick on Instagram and he tells stories about the club. I google searched and there is a Central Florida chapter, I may see them around someday.
It is my observation that many new riders bigin with Harley because of an image. I know a number of them, and some continued ridong for decades. Im pushing 70 and got my first motorcycle, a Suzuki 80 Hillbilly, at 10 years old. As a 15 year old 10th grader, I wanted a znorton Commando. It was the quickest best gandling motorcycle made. I still own the two Commandos I bought in the 70s. For me, HD represents way too much conformity. Riding is about the travel and the experience. It isn't about the motorcycle brand, especially one that includes so much conformity. I can already go wherever I wish, and for about the price of a Sportster, Ive got the 3 bulket proof vintage tourers for my brothers to ride. At near 70, Im looking for an alternative, meeting light weight and horsepower criteria that isnt sold at HD dealers. That said, HD isnt the only manufacturer having trouble selling these days.
cause you got to be rich to afford a new Harley... rich people get bored easy. for a tenth of the price you can ride a sport tour that goes 300kmh and is more comfy than a couch
Well I've had five bikes from a dyna to a trike and from what I've seen is yes belonging to a group is a biggy. There are two things I've seen is harley service and warranty (if under warranty fix the damn thing right just not blow the owner off it warranty the dealership doesn't paid the warranty Harley does. Turns alot of riders off. The next is the damn price a rider goes into a dealership and sees a bike cost like xamount and they just shit, plus the dealers don't deal just this is the price take it or good by. This what I've experienced.
Yeah the dealer experience is one sided. It favors the dealer. They prey on new riders, fatter margins. I bought my second Harley from an independent, no fees, no bs.
You know I love my little sportster it's cheap for a Harley but it's all I could afford and it was actually what I wanted but still expensive and I felt proud that I bought a Harley I don't give a rats **** about them anymore I wouldn't buy another Harley for nothing I used to feel proud now they're just an overpriced bike to me. Don't get me wrong I'll still ride around on my bike but I'm not going to run down there to buy another one. Ohh and then they get rid of my bike get some liquid cool thing call it a sportster
I switched from super bikes to cruisers about 5 years ago, even before i got it, folks have been putting harley is dying videos harley is done, harley is going bsnkrupt. Im over these videos. When i hear they are shutting down then i will believe it.
I doubt they’ll shut down but data showing that of thousands of folks who bought new bikes 36% of them stopped riding that bike within 3 years. That’s a problem that needs solving and I believe the community can help. It’s about more of us on 2 wheels and less of them.
@KennyQuestShow when I did switch i wasn't sure if I would stick to cruisers or not so I slowly went that way. First I searched for a black and chrome yamaha vstar 1100. It looked the most like a harley and I got it with little over 9thousand miles for 2500 dollars. I rode it a few times b4 winter. The next riding season I started looking for a harley street glide. I found a 2012 with just over 10 thousand miles on it. I still wasn't sure about crusier life yet and didn't want to plank down the money on a brand new one so I found a barley broke in used one for way less money. So your right about the problem. It's not just harleys people are buying and not riding. The fact that I was able to find both a harley and a metric cruiser. Both with very few miles shows your right. People get the bike bug and go buy one then either they loose intrest or just don't have the time to enjoy it. My neighbor up the road had a pearl white vstar sitting in his yard for a good few years. Whole time he had it I seen him and the wife ride it once. One day my wife and I were over talking to them and we finally figured it out. That couple was riding one day and rode up on a bad bike wreck. They rode home and except for that one day we seen them never rode it again. Fast forward a couple years and they got divorced him and his son both bought cvo dressers and rode them every weekend for a while. Now even b4 winter started sitting in both their bikes began to sit. In a few years someone will get a good deal on those barley riden dressers. And now i still have the vstar my youngest son rides it now, it now has over 30 thousand miles on it. My harley now has over 45thousand on its clock. They get riden now like they were built for. And both bikes bought b4 covid the harley right as covid was starting the vstar a year b4. Though I do believe covid was a factor this problem has been around longer than covid.
Have to agree about the HOG riding groups, i went to one last year out of Kissimmee and found a close knit group of unfriendly pompous people, didn't even ride back after lunch everyone took off, it's nice having a riding buddy or two but I'll ride alone over a HOG group of posers. If you were to ad everything up and weigh it on a scale, Harley would rate at the bottom of the pile in every category.
Three years, really. I would have been done by the time I was 18 and got my first car. Until I was 18 My 175 Bridgestone was my first car. 69 now, dam were did them years go. Six rice grinders and four Harley's. I don't ever remember saying that I don't want to go for a ride because I can't find anybody to ride with. There has been times that I have looked up at the sky and just laughed out loud. It wasn't the love of the bike I was riding, it was that I was riding. That passion still burns strong. Somebodies fad bike becomes somebody else's next bike. Thank you RUBs. The 2025s are coming out so get on in there, you don't have to ride it but it looks cool in your garage. Had to laugh at the 30 to 50 miles. For me an evening ride might be 50 to 100 miles. A weekend ride could be 125 to 150 miles with friends or 150 to 250 solo, no bar breaks, results my very. I have had many reasons to stop riding and I don't encourage anyboby to ride. I will be the first to tell you that if you go out that driveway you my never come back. You pick your passion and assess the risk. But if you keep the rides down to 30 to 50 miles that lowers the risk lol. Lol I have been riding a few more than the three years but the two most likely reasons that I stop riding is, I got to old to hold the bike up or I hit a third Deer and it made my wife a Widow. Thanks Kenny for another great video. Just wondering are you going to pull the plug after three or so years or are you going to buy a new bike to clutter up the garage? Just asking for a friend.
Well I surpassed my 3rd riding anniversary so I guess I beat the odds! It’s true though, it’s not very hard to ride 200 miles in day. Thanks for your comment!
Love to Ride started age 5 till today @68 & ride south @ least 300 days per year most short 10- 100 rip rosrds Harley my choice owned road heck outa 3 Harleys but also Honda, Kawasaki and Yamaha’s back when we were young it didn’t matter still don’t matter what you ride just that your ride but Ron /‘s not the same so much traffic distracted, drivers populations exploding around me makes writing a lot more dangerous little less enjoyable, I would ride to country Roads solo or maybe two or three at most, will never ride big unknown rides in a group ride Never
The vandalism against Harley, by Green Party, Woke, Occupation and Black Lives Matter was disgusting. Selling speed bikes for kids crippled and killed a lot of kids. Screaming, Harley was too expensive was a lie.
Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day? Thou art more lovely and more temperate: Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May, And summer’s lease hath all too short a date; Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
Me and my brother ride his Kawasaki's together and having someone to ride with makes it so much more fun. But it's about cost of entry with Harley they are big heavy expensive bikes not real good for beginners. They would do much better on a smaller lighter bike that's more manageable I ride an 800 and I still think a full size Harley would be too much bike for me.
Is this fallout from the influx of new riders who bought during the pandemic? Or is this a sign of something else? Your thoughts!
None of us new riders want a Harley when there are Indians available. It's a new age we've been waiting forever for a different domestic option.
@@welfare_baybee and for example the Road King Special just went up in price again, my local Indian dealer is offering a Springfield Darkhorse for 4k less, with more features. I rode one last year, it’s not as nice but it’s good enough. So I get it.
You know for me it's the traffic I live in Las Vegas and everybody here is from somewhere else but I've been here 22 years there's so much traffic here now it just makes it unfun and dangerous now I've wrecked quite a few times and actually enjoy it but I don't want to die on my way home to from work and I got forced to even a trailer and has thirteen speed bumps on the way out with no cut outs from motorcycles and I'm just like **** it I'm a rebel but at some point it's like uh probably better not
@ right. I’ve had that conversation with my gut in the morning. Maybe today isn’t the day to commute. Orlando traffic isn’t much better id imagine.
@@KennyQuestShow Even though the build quality might be slightly less, the drivetrain is superior and it's in its infancy. If we keep supporting Indian they will only get better, which will also force HD to finally get their act together.
been riding 55+ years ALL SOLO and will continue that way.
Many choose the solo ride, myself included. But the survey respondents, riders with 3 years or less experience who bought new Harley’s cited lack of a riding buddy as a reason they no longer ride.
I hate when people ask me if I want to ride. My answer is always no. I ride when I want to ride in the way I want to ride.
@@DarrellTurnerJr that’s what the freedom is all about!
Same here.....150 yrs ago I would be on a horse 👍
Riding for 45 years. Prefer solo. Done many group rides with my buddies, but they just ride too far. I'm a disabled vet, so I have about a 30 minute time limit riding, max, and I feel I would ruin their ride having to stop all the time, so I just stay solo.
Im 70 and find most of the blokes around 50 to be too old for me to ride with, I aint grown up yet lol
Love it🤣
Seriously. I have a harley and I treat it like a sports bike. 😅
I like your attitude
The main issue for the harley riders group is that the imagery is very very particular. It’s of a group of blokes riding Harley’s who dress like an outlaw motorcycle gang members. Why would anybody want to dress and look like a bunch of drug dealing violent hoodlums? In America it seemed that that persona rules but prior to ww2 bike clubs were not outlaws but sporting and social groups sharing the experiences of the bikes and the skills needed. Harley chose to promote the outlaw style and thus has alienated every other sort of rider. Perhaps the 3 yr thing is about a dissatisfaction with this image that goes with Harley’s,
The risk of disappointment is very strong when you spend 30 to 40 thousand dollars and then find you are no better off, no new friends and you carry so much baggage. It’s sad because the young ones are not riding at all, or driving, or travelling.
@Paul-kp1tu who spends 30-40k on harley that doesn't understand the culture? What young guy has 30k to drop on a bike? These sportsbike clubs have the same outlaw mentality. The 3yr drop off has to do with these older guys not having the time to ride. I personally know ppl with 40k bikes that don't ride often. More than likely after they're done paying off the bike, they realize they never rode it to begin with and sell it. Many arent cut to be on 2s. The reason why harley doesn't have young riders has to do with price. End of story
I’m 73, been riding for six years. I hate riding with 13:55 people. I ride over 12,000 miles a year in New England. Bikes include Ninja, Thruxton, and BMWs. I’m not anti social, I just want the freedom to ride, stop, take a picture, turn left, right, or go straight without looking in my mirror to see if anyone is keeping up with me.
Thruxton! Nice.
That 100% correct. Ride the 2 wheeled station wagon a couple miles, eat, get fatter all while wearing the Halloween biker costume. Lets not forget that riding in some parts of the country pretty much suck. The metroplex with all the traffic and idiots talking on their cell phones and the straight up idiots that don't know how to drive really ruin it.
They certainly do!
I think based on your comment that I am one of the few long time riders that responded to the survey. Of course though I did bash them about the Board of Directors and the CEO that has no idea about American values and riding motorcycles. And how they are destroying the brand. They probably dumped my response.
I’m sure the survey company compacted what you said into a category unfortunately I only saw 2 pages of the report.
Hi Mr. Kenny! Long term rider, about 50 years, solo rider, I didn't get surveyed (LoL), I have owned my Harley since 2014. Cannot afford new bikes. Ridiculous price for badge, paint extra (ridiculous), black finish extra?? (seriously??).
Riding is therapeutic, mental floss, next best feeling compared to flying, exposure to elements and use all your blessed senses, beautiful passion to experience!
Feeling sad that people can lose interest!?!
I agree with all you have said. A preowned Harley is a good value. My 1996 was $18,999 plus fees brand new and it was common in the 90’s to pay over msrp. I bought it for $5k, spent another $3k to get her where I needed her. $8k for the win. Riding it…. Priceless!
I’m sure my local HOG chapter is full of nice people, but one look at those vests loaded with patches and ropes and I’m just like ‘meeeeehhh, I don’t want to be seen with that’. Can’t they just meet up and have good rides and events without all the theatrics of needing to wear the obsurd vests.
This is my point, it’s like Boy Scouts, military, etc. just ride. If you want to track accomplishments use an app for that.
@@synonyx yup I had a vest for merit badges when I was a boy scout.
Of course they can, but just because you don't want to wear that stuff, what makes you think they'd think less of you for that? I've ridden for 50 years plus. I don't care what anyone rides, what anyone wears, or what anyone says. Live and let live I say. That means letting people do what THEY want, when they want, how they want. That seems to bother you somehow.
Let's put this another way. I'm sure the local sports bike riders club is full of nice people, but one look at those Power Rangers in neon coloured suits and I'm just like 'meet, I don't want to be seen with that'. Can't they just meet up and have good rides and events without all the theatrics of needing to wear absurd one piece leather boot suits?
See how arrogant and superior that sounds?
Perhaps not.
I get people assuming to no patches on my jacket or vests that I just started riding. I never needed a patch or a pin to prove i ride. If I ever have a patch sewn on, it'll say, " I don't need a patch to prove it ride."
@@synonyx my HOG chapter is nothing like the comments in this feed. Yeah some Road Captains wear their vest , but it’s not a requirement or an item. Cleveland HOG Chapter 3696. We do a lot of things.
I'm 69 and have been riding for 53 years. I bought my first Harley, April 2023. This is my last Harley. The quality control is not there. I now have 13000 miles on it. I belong to the Blue Knights for 23 years and we do over 200 miles round trip for lunch. I have had 3 spills. I always dress for the slide. I live in SC. I see riders in shorts and flip flops.
I cannot believe those riders with the shorts and flips on! I respect the groups that do hundreds of miles before lunch! We need more of that.
You see H.D. riders everywhere dressed like that,plus no helmets. Begging for a trip to the hospital or the morgue.
Every time I run into someone who is even slightly interested in learning to ride, I emphatically suggest they take MSF courses. I explain that MSF provides the bikes at no cost (at least it used to be). I tell them it's a good way for them to find out if riding is for them without investing in a bike. Also, when they pass the course, they get their license and a 15% discount on their insurance.
I was a member of my local HOG group for years, but for many of those exact reasons you mentioned I am no longer am a member. I have my own group of buddies that I ride with and it makes the experience much more enjoyable. Well done sir...
Thank you Ty!
I bought a used 2018 Softail Sport Glide. Kept it about 1.5 year. Rode in some groups. Everyone had loud modified exhaust systems, and I have tinnitus, constant ringing in my ears, that is attenuated by loud noises,e exhaust sounds and backfiring explosions. Many of the Harley riders in the groups were flat out outlaws, speeding everywhere, running stop lights, sometimes running red lights, true Lane Splitting here in CA, generally experienced but unsafe riders, where seeing a speed limit sign isn't even a suggestion, if you aren't scrapping pegs, you aren't cornering fast enough. Packed it all in and bought a couple of BMW R1250's in GS and RT formats. The RT is quiet, has shaft drive, and is a touring motorcyclists dream, if you equip it with a top box. it doesnt't burn the inside of my right leg if at a red light in the summer time. The BMW changed my perspective about motorcycles and motorcyclists. I still ride mostly alone. Less chance of an accident with someone in front of you doing something stupid in the group, or showing off their A type personality and stupidity. There's a lot of bold riders, on bikes, begging for Darwin Awards, sooner or later.
I hear things about those cali riders. Asshats in every crowd, with beamers it’s the S1000 riders and pretentious r9T bro’s. That aside if you ride what your riding doesn’t matter what just don’t be an ass, enjoy the experience and be kind to fellow riders we’ll all live longer and be happier..
I found when riding a shovelhead or anything pre evo, it's pretty much going to be a lonely road.
And with an EVO your cruising in the back ☺️
I'm 65, and have been riding on the street since age 16. Before that I rode off road on a 100cc dirt bike starting around age 12. I have owned over 40 bikes, and ridden over a million miles. I ALWAYS ride alone. My riding time is MY time. Way back when I was young I tried carrying a passenger, and quickly decided I would never do that again. I have NEVER crashed a street bike. My main type of street riding is touring. But NOT on a big bagger with a fairing and windshield. I tried a Goldwing, that didn't last very long. It was like riding a 2 wheeled car. Out of all the bikes I have owned, only three have been Harleys. All three were bought used. All three had/have carbureted EVO engines. I still own and ride two of them. A 1989 FXRS Low Rider, bought in 2003, and my first Harley, and a 2002 Sportster 1200C, bought in 2016. Both these bikes have bright shiny paint, lots of bright aluminum and chrome. I have added more chrome, and pretty stock looking aftermarket slip ons to make them sound like Harleys. For me, the whole point of owning/riding a Harley is the way they look, sound, and feel. I am not into the brand. I have owned Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, Royal Enfield, and vintage Triumph and BSA. I loved almost all of them. But none of them had the Harley look, sound, and feel.
The fact is that H-D no longer makes anything I want. Not even close. In fact, you couldn't give me a new one, unless I could sell it and keep the money. They no longer have that Harley look, sound, and feel, they are mostly blacked out computers on wheels that can't be worked on or modified by an owner. Every single bike I have ever owned has been carbureted. I will NEVER own a computer bike. And I like bright shiny bikes with LOTS of chrome (though I'll pass on the neon green grips) The M8 engine has no feel, it's CANbus computer system is an absolute nightmare, and almost all the bikes it's in are flat black. The Sportster was the last real Harley (although they ruined it with computerized garbage and soaked it in flat black) and now it's gone. Other than small displacement dual sport bikes, I am a cruiser rider. A traditional cruiser rider. I wouldn't touch something like the Pan America or the "Sportster S", which is not a Sportster at all, with a 10 foot pole. H-D no longer makes "Harleys". And even for those who do want them, no one can afford them. $30,000-$40,000 for a new one, and after 10 years, H-D will no longer touch it, and independent shops don't have the diagnostic equipment or information available to it, so you have a very expensive boat anchor. My '89 FXRS is still running just fine, I can work on it, an independent Harley shop can work on it, and it will easily outlast me. The aftermarket makes all the parts necessary to keep it going. In fact, as sad as it is, if you want a new REAL Harley, you will have to build it from aftermarket parts. H-D has done this to themselves. And they have no one to blame but themselves. And their woke leftist German CEO.
I agree with everything you said. Now about my grips….🤣
Oh. I don’t do the whole HOG thing. I did go on two or three group rides a few years back and that stuff isn’t for me. I wouldn’t knock anyone that does it, it’s just NOT for me. I’m happy to ride alone.
Group rides can be sketchy
45 years of riding solo, I don’t ride for anyone else’s approval but my own. But in those years I sorta went down once. Hit sand pulling a u turn. You need some rider courses so you’ll stop crashing
I hit the sugar sand once, mechanical failure once, grabbed front brake in my second month. That said I helped myself by doing cone drills in parking lots using ride like a pro curriculum. Never stop practicing.
At 71 I've been around a while! Reflecting on my motorcycling history. I have found that the number one thing that determines how much riding I do is the familiarity of the roads near me. NUMBER 2 How far to some new road and experience? I am blessed to live in an area that has some of the most beautiful and relaxing motorcycling roads in the world. Seven miles from the entrances to the Blue Ridge Parkway and Skyline Drive. The art of riding for me has always been keeping in balance the love/hate relationship of riding. Riding is expensive sometimes really uncomfortable and always dangerous. A cool evening ride along the Parkway when its 98 degrees with high humidity down in valley just can't be beat!
You are in heavens gateway!
You’re lucky to live so close to those roads!
I've been riding 53 years, had everything from 90cc 2 stroke twins to 1300 in line 6 cyl. dressers. I've had 2 Harleys, a 1992 Heritage and a 2003 Road Glide. I enjoyed both and had little issue with either. I have seen AND experienced the pitfalls of motorcycle riding and ownership. I very seldom ride with more than 1 partner, I always ride one up. As for the wane in motorcycle riding, I believe one of the biggest issues is the upcoming generation of potential riders. Very few of them don't even want to be outside, and since they can't ride AND scroll on their "device", they are choosing their device. I hope this changes but I doubt it, at least with gen Z. Another issue that I see, as a retired 43 year motorcycle tech, I watched motorcycles becoming more complex, with more electronics, fuel injection, ABS, etc. etc. One of the appeals with motorcycles has always been the ability of the owners to work on them, upgrade them, tinker on them. Can't do that now, and I believe this complexity, just like modern cars, is destroying a part of motorcycle ownership that was/is still dear to a lot of us.
It is sad to see this generation's relationship with machines changing. Hey how is your Road Glide on the interstate with only 5 speeds on that 88 TC? Is it smooth at 80mph? My EVO smooth spot is around 70.
i have to get tires on my 07 softail at a Honda shop because the local HD shop says they don't service bikes over 10 yrs old. Obviously never buying another one.
That is ridiculous. Service shops should be happy to have the business.
Probably cheaper at the Honda shop,
I am a HOG life member who has been in the saddle for 55 years now. The first 5 years in HOG, I was very involved with the group and was the Safety Officer. Then I moved overseas for a few years and when I came back, had no interest in any of the local groups. I ride daily and most of them ride every weekend or two and those are to a bar to get drunk. 'll always be a life member, but have been a solo rider for the past 30 years and will likely continue unless I find a group when I retire, that has similar interests.
If you’re fortunate enough to find the right group to ride with it could be a rewarding experience.
Hey I know that chapter. Good guys. I'm a member in a couple chapters. They both offer rides for new members but only one or two show up. The best part about HOG is you automatically have something in common. Its hard to break into clicks at any age. Sometime you just have to put yourself out there.
Yes you do, ultimately it’s on you to fulfill your journey. I wonder if these 36 month owners just didn’t have local support in place to bring them in or they felt inadequate with putting themselves out there.
@@KennyQuestShow yeah. I've been riding for 30+ years. I've had sporadic riding buddies but the HOG group is the 1st time I've been a part of something like it. Turned in to making friends that we do now HOG rids. Just a nice opportunity to meet new people. That 36 months was probably during vivid when people picked it up, then let it go. Maybe those that wanted to save money on gas. Ride safe. Great topic.
@ I thought, in hindsight, it might be pandemic related. Life resumed and just under 40% of buyers from 3 to 4 years ago when surveyed gave up riding after their life returned to normal.
I have been riding since I was 16 I am now 72 I have had different brands I now have a 2003 ultra classic and a 2022 tri glide and will never buy another new Harley the price is going up and the quality is going down .That said another reason is I took my Tri glide in for its 1000 checkup and the animals at the dealership washed the engine with aluminum cleaner which destroyed the chrome .The dealership said I probably road behind a salt truck and one of the salesman told me what happened as for HD customer service they are totally worthless .Now I have paid cash for all my bikes so I won’t go back to the dealership I bought the trike at .I joined a Harley club and then Harley forced them out of business after 65 years so the hog club moved to another dealership which is 60 plus miles from me which is all interstate highway .Now I don’t go therefor rides and another reason I will never buy another new Harley is the Woke board of directors and the CEO who care more about the far left and there kinky garbage .So the wife and I will ride lone wolf and ride the memorial rides .So to put it bluntly the hell with Harley Davidson and there corporate owned dealers.
So many owners are being put in this situation, the result is a detachment of fondness for the brand.
@@KennyQuestShow you are right if I buy another new bike it will be a Indian
I'm good riding either way. Sometimes I prefer to be by myself!!!!! Great video brother!!!!
Thanks T-bone!
Do you have a Street Stalker nacelle on you bike? Don't see them often.
Good eye! I do. 😌
No one to ride with?
For most people being alone for any lenght of time is sheer torture. They cannot stand being alone in their head.
They need constant affirmation and distraction of some kind, that's why they can't put down their phones.
Potentially. Some
been riding for 55 years I hate gps, abs, computer screens etc, still ride the people now are into all of that with cell phone too. no wonder they get board/ it is not about the ride anymore. with their gps they can go no where. just give me a old fold up map
This is my second Harley 2024 Road Glide. Last one was a 2018 Road King. Love the bike. Usually ride with my wife or one friend. I like it like that. Just can't get into all Harley BS. Tattoos patches and everything Harley turns me off. I ride a Harley because I like the bike. That's it. I've had 6 different bikes. I like my Harley the best
Agreed in why we ride a Harley. No tattoos here either!
Awesome video Kenny! Still waiting on my KQS trucker hat🤣👊🏻🍺
Lol, soon. I did tag one “Mayesrides”so it’s saved for you.
@ so I can get one now?
@ not just yet. Setting up my store still. Soon I promise!
66 and slowly wearing out a 02 Road King 140,000 miles and hoping it outlast me. Mostly just me I stop alot nature-scenic photographer so few can put up with that and for my safety I ride alone, however I have one friend whom I trust, he rides a rocket (sport bike)......can't wait till spring in about six more months in wi
Love a road king!
67 and riding 2003 RK.
494,000 miles.
On my 3rd engine, a S&S 124.
I have a few on my StreetGlide so I have my 500k HOG patch.
I won't encourage anyone to get a motorcycle because I would not want them to experience the situations I've survived. Nor do I want to attend anymore funerals.
@@mitchmurray117 did you update to a baker six speed or still running a 5 speed and changed gearing?
Wife and I been riding for about 7 years now. Im 61 and we didnt ride from Kids till about 2017. Most chapter members are older and don't do things that I think younger members would be interested in doing. A lot of people from 20 to 60 are busy with life. Every chapter should try to get and younger riders involved in ride that interest them. Group rides can be intimidating when you first start riding. I think that is a big thing that older riders might not understand. One chapter I'm in an older guy would drop his bike on nearly every ride. Positive note helps others know it's not a big deal.
Good background info. I agree chapters should have something for newer riders or perhaps different groups like a softail group.
Well….. this is a very honest video of someone concern with the future of motorcycling. In the case of Harley, their allure to a lifestyle based on pure North American culture and image sells a quick resolve to customers looking to be part of a specific group that not necessarily relates to motorcycling as a skill or an activity that’s liberating and definitely not for everyone ; “ lots of motorcycle owners, very few Motorcyclists “, perhaps the approach need to be more universal. Younger generations are more into purpose, practicality and advantages rather than image… an image that they can’t relate to.
Motorcycling is a lifestyle not an image. If you want to ride responsibly and safely you need to be serious about it. This is not an amusement park ride. Riders need to invest time and effort to learn an become proficient at the craft of motorcycling, this “ image “
Thing should be the last of your concerns. Most bike owners never learn how to ride that’s the reason they leave motorcycling. Stricter motorcycle licensing requirements just may be the answer. At 71, full time rider: ST1300 / RC51. Started in ‘75 and ride every day, all the time since then.
Continuing rider Education and ongoing rider training is something I feel needs improvement and expansion of
I showed up at the local dealers weeknight ride. It was a long one: 17 miles. Good thing I had topped-off the gas tank prior to arriving. We arrive at the destination, and these clowns are high-fiving and woop-woop, Live free, Ride hard! Yeah! We made it!
LOL! That’s what I’m talking about, it’s insane.
I like to mostly ride alone
I need that alone time too, it’s therapy!
@@KennyQuestShow yep
My thought is to many Harley riders have egos . Let’s all just ride and all be safe and enjoy the open road
Some do. Some were not held as a baby long enough. Same can be said about busa boys, Ducati owners, bmw adventure bike people, the list goes on.
Arrogant ones & so does H.D. dealerships. And that ruins sales.
So many good used low mileage most mint condition for sale bc of the outcome of this survey so why buy New Harley for all them dollars when this guy got a gently used one for half price Harleys are expensive new ones
Yaas! That is a silver lining for the consumers who ride!
bad roads and really insane drivers since the pandemic has a lot to do with folks giving up at least here in Minnesota. white SUVs are unguided missiles that never see stop signs and race into round a bouts like never before. it bothers me but not enough to stop.
Good point, something the survey didn’t convey, the crazy cagers we must contend with!
Kenny is the Shovelhead back in business? Man I had lots of great times there years ago! Sorry my bad I was thinking about Handlebars up the road a bit
Handlebars is gone but that bench is now out in front of shovelhead. Shovelhead has new owners as of November 2023, biker couple. Nice folks.
@@KennyQuestShow Thanks I haven't been over in awhile.
I am in the market for a touring bike for two up riding. I seriously considered a new Harley Davidson, but my wife says she doesn’t “wanna be associated with those people who wear vests with the patches”. Looking at other options now. I ride with my cousin occasionally but I prefer to ride solo.
Don't let your wife's perception of a group of people affect your decision. It’s about the ride. She’ll get that. But if all else fails get a Goldwing. Any metric bagger looks like a Harley to the general public.
@ I normally don’t let her influence my decisions, she’s a very passive woman, and I’ve been married to her since 1993. I also have a good reputation to uphold due to my work. We as motorcycle riders understand the difference, but the general public…they live in a different reality. This time I’m gonna give her this one. So I will check out a Honda Goldwing or a BMW. Maybe even a big ADV bike since She loves camping. I am aging out of motorcycles and I could possibly talk her into a Harley Davidson trike upon retirement.
@@KennyQuestShow Need to go on some Hog rides & she'll realize that they are not big, nasty, drug dealing rapists !! Most members are exactly like she & you are, just a couple going out to enjoy the day... The general public doesn't have a clue about what bike brand most people ride, (& don't care!) a bikes a bike to them. Give it a shot, she might be surprised to find her perception is wrong. BTW You can still ride a Harley & ride together or with close friends if she doesn't like "patches" (ex Hog member)
I'd rather ride alone
Noted!
Hmmmm.... am noticeably past 75 and still ride -- although I've become much more of a fair-weather rider... don't think I was ever tempted by the HOG group(s), but do enjoy my Heritage Softail; not as much as my old Evo, but it's pretty fulfilling... mostly ride to get away from folks, not join them, and enjoy longer rides (several tanks of gas at least), but have been riding that way since the late 60s -- used to have one guy I'd ride with, but my last bikes have been loud enough without any need for additional pipes...
I was riding an EVO heritage in this video. She’s been temperamental but I love it. Yeah nothing clears the mind like 3 tank fulls of riding time. Then stop toss up the tent and do it again the next day.
69 years old. Been riding since I was 7... if you count the mini bike with the clutch ringing...and trying to wheelie it over a little bump in the back yard.
Currently have 3 bikes. One is my 1973 Rickman Zundapp ISDT . Which I bought new. Its a basket case because I sold it to a friend who took it appart. Then gave it back in pieces. Then theres my 1978 Superglide. I bought new in 1978. And my "new" Harley. Which is an '06. Bought for my 50th birthday.
The Rickman was my first real motorcycle. Before that I was riding other peoples bikes. In the dirt. I rode the Rickman on and off road. I had a 72 Honda 750 and a 1975 Kawasaki 900 Z1b. I wish I kept them too.
Never been much into group riding. Always some fool acting stupid. Or crashing... but I did have a couple of friends over the years that I rode with regularly. Good close friends on and off the bikes. But we were going someplace. We had peaceful places to ride to. Events that most likely had nothing to do with bikes. Other than we love to ride.
Living in NJ has always meant dealing with insane drivers. Its just part of the experience.
These realities discussed here are of Harleys own making.
Lightly used bikes have been available for years after the insanity of the Evo/Twin cam buying craze. Where everyone with enough money to help inflate prices was waiting in line a year to buy a new Harley at rediculous prices. You would see them for sale... 1200 miles... listed with the serial number... as if they were classic Ferarris...
Those folks never rode much. They started not shaving Wednesday morning so they would look scruffy enough when they took their Saturday ride to the dealer for a T shirt and fellowship. Ice cream on the way home.
The factory gave them HOG to ride with. Not really a new thing as there were these types of clubs back in the 30s and 40s.
But most of these people were not riders. They wanted to feel the freedom. But they wanted the security of a group. And a new bike they never had to tinker with. Maintenence or modifications performed at the dealer for shocking prices.
That whole scene turned me off when ever I went near them on my Shovelhead... as they looked down their nose snearingly. I couldnt even have a motorcycle enthusiast conversation. Im into all things motorcycle... since I was a child. But all they wanted to talk about was how much money they spent having the dealer swap out parts. In one of those conversations I said my Shovelhead has 40,000 miles on it and has never been appart. They looked at me like I was nuts.
Mostly now I ride to work... yes still working at 70. Its a convenient location to ride to and I live in a ruralish area with great roads.
Ill never buy another new Harley. Never sell my old ones. And never go near the dealership unless I need something bad that they might have. And I live less than 2 miles from a dealership.
You would think I was the primary customer for a new Harley. Yet I dont even look at the new bikes in the showroom. For the last 30 years they seem to have done everything possible to alienate me.
Ohh well. Always wanted a Panhead.
And now if you have a shovel and you’re out and about your fawned over, it’s like the scales have flipped upside down. So great, we have the yuppie dudes from the 90’s to blame for conditioning dealers that we’ll over pay and I guess I’m riding one of those inflated 90’s priced bikes that I bought for $5k. Truth is enough Harley’s have been made that we don’t need them to produce or sell as many as they have in the past and I see a possible future where they limit their offerings and significantly scale back. But as a community of riders we need to band together to help our own and welcome new riders into the community.
Holy crap! Did you see that guys arm? Ouch
Dude lost his tan!
I’m 62 years old , bought my first HD in 1988, an 1985 Softail Standard . I’ve been riding since ( minus the 4 years I was married ) . I ride with friends , very close friends or solo. I did one HOG ride and while all nice folks it wasn’t my cup of tea.
That’s awesome!
I have 12 bikes, been riding 30+ years. My 18 yo son does not ride at all, even though he rode dirt when younger. This next generation ain't about this, unfortunately.
He might surprise you when he reaches that age of enlightenment
Im 30 and started riding at 25 i personally influenced 5 people i know to start riding. Im not your typical harley rider if i have a vest it has no patches just talking to people around me no one bought new bikes but 4 bought used harleys off Facebook and 1 bought a triumph only the triumph guy financed.
The used market place is perfect to get started for the price of a Royal Enfield you can get a dyna. That’s awesome
I've been riding since I was about 9 or 10. I would go down the back dirt roads and I had a blast. I guess I got so used to riding alone that I like it a lot. I have friends who ride and every now and then I go on short rides with them. But, I prefer to go alone. When your with a group they dictate to you where to go. That's what I don't like. Everyone has a preference. Keep riding!
Excellent point!
When I recieved my qr code for the survey. And thw suevey was alteady filled out.
That’s troubling.
If you take that survey in rural areas instead of urban areas you'd get a totally different answer. I have a rural buddy that has bought and sold 5-6 bikes ladt summer to now. He had a good job has free housing from family members all passing and he's single. With a ton of money in the bank a farm with buildings to fill its great for him. I still own the first Harley I bought. Ive only sold one of three Harleys I've owned. That's the one I should have kept. I just needed money to get newer one.
Group riding is ok for a short distance but after a ways people get bored and start looking around and bang a crash and it takes 10-15 people with them. Anchorage HOG on summer, made it out of town and on highway a bolder fell off mountain and took out a leader and 15-20 others killed up. All riding in position. I ride alone!
The survey data is based on first time Harley buyers who purchased a bike between 2019 and 2023, rural, urban, suburban alike.
Have 2 Harleys, 05' Road King done as vicla, and 12' cvo Electraglide for w8fe and i. 50 years old, have owned other brands but always had a Harley, and always will, great local dealer as well 5 mins away. I avoid riding with others, on any bike. Had GSXR as recent as 2 years ago.
Nice stable! A solid dealer is becoming a rare thing these days. Cherish it!
my current Harley I have owned for 18 years I have had 6 Harley's over 40 years
Awesome!
My first HD was an 883 hugger new in 1988.
My second was 1995 evo FXDL that I couldn't keep after 8 years and life changes.
I now have a 1999 FXDL and carefully plan life to change at a speed I can keep up with.
It's on my channel for addicts.
The FXDL is legendary!
‘No one to ride with’??
That’s an invitation for me.
Bring ‘em together in your community!
@
Oh no, I meant I’m happy to ride alone, prefered it actually.
I've ridden with different groups of and on over the 50+ years I've ridden - but these days I really prefer riding by myself. I can go where I want, stop anywhere I want for as long as I want, and I don't have to be concerned about riding in a group... which in my view these days is more trouble than it's worth. It's just much less stressful riding alone. The last group of people I used to ride with 10 years ago just withered down to nothing as more and more people sold their bikes and moved on to other things. And of course, there was that ONE GUY - and there's ALWAYS that one guy - who caused all kinds of drama and basically poisoned the group by turning people against each other. It got really stressful and unpleasant. I'm never going to get myself into that situation again... I just want to RIDE without stress.
About the next generation of riders... this is frustrating. I started riding way back in 1972, in high school. I rode for two years before I ever even had a 4-wheel vehicle. Back then, my little Honda CB350 was FREEDOM to me. I loved riding it, and over the years I traded up to bigger and faster bikes. I now ride a 2012 FLHXSE3 CVO Street Glide with the Twin Cam 110" engine, and I will ride it until I can't ride anymore. I love it, and I can work on it myself. I just put new Zipper's RedShift RS587 cams in it, and new Cobra PowerPort headers and 4" Rinehart mufflers on it. I'm retuning it currently.
But, today's young people, taken as a group, just don't seem very interested in riding. Between my wife and me, we have 5 grown children from 45 down to 30 - and NONE of them ride, nor do I expect any of them to EVER ride. It's just not part of their world at all. None of them have ever even operated a motorcycle to my knowledge. To them, vehicles are simply things they need to get them from place to place. Performance and fun don't enter the equation at all. They are all about utility and little else, and it saddens me to realize that they will never experience the thrill of riding a motorcycle on curvy roads, as I grew up doing and still enjoy doing. I can't say that I understand our kids' view of life - but what parents ever really do? It is what it is, I guess, but it's frustrating to me nonetheless.
To me, that's the really telling part of the hurdles facing the motorcycle market... there are more and more manufacturers chasing fewer and fewer riders - and in Harley's case with more and more expensive bikes that the VAST majority of younger riders simply cannot afford and don't really want. That isn't a very positive environment for the manufacturers, especially companies like Harley - and to a lesser extent Indian, because Indian at least has some lower-priced offerings, and Harley really doesn't anymore.
You encapsulated the entire issue right there. We grew up outside playing with contraptions, kids of the 80’s through now played with video games and watched cable tv. They live vicariously. We need a reset.
@@KennyQuestShow We certainly DO! I think our world is going in the wrong direction. My grandkids' lives are all so highly structured, it's pathetic. They never have any unstructured time because their parents have every day packed with supervised, highly structured activities. And they are ALWAYS wanting to be on the iPad to play some video game. You're right, their reality is virtuality. It concerns me greatly.
I have had my Ironhead for 34 years. No plans to get rid of it.
Classic!
I don't own a Harley but I do own Honda VTX cruiser 1300 and a naked 650 .. I love my cruiser wouldn't give it up for anything but I definitely pull out the 650 a lot more for a little errands cuz it's just easier than pulling out the cruiser. I definitely would have a lot less riding time if I didn't have the other option than just the cruiser
Sounds like me with my sportster. Fun to rip around on. Thanks for commenting!
I have been riding since my teens and I just loved, and still love the sensation of riding. I find my social life and attachment with others from other sources, so riding in groups has never been a motivator for me. I love touring and had a Road Glide and a Road King before, but I just don’t find Harleys fun to ride, so my bike for the last 4 years has been a BMW K1600 GT. I wonder if some of the others in that group who traded their Harleys away after 3 years traded for other brands.
The survey said 36% stopped riding all together and cited those 3 reasons. No data on selling or trading to other brands in this survey
@@KennyQuestShow Probably wouldn't of been a good look for them to admit some riders went to another brand !
@ well it’s a internal survey so that information may be in there, only saw 2 pages of a report that may have been 30 pages or more
Harley should do more rider courses at all levels through the local dealership. For instance, my wife took the beginner rider course through our local Harley Dealership, but there are no next level courses besides us pursuing one through the private market. If Harley stayed engaged with riders through their riding progression it would create more loyalty for new riders.
They need to teach these 1%ers how to ride their baggers lmao I see these 2 wheeled gangbangers dump their bikes in parking lots and onramps wayyyy too much. So embarrassing.
The US has the motorcycle safety foundation courses. As far as I can tell, it's all you need available. Affordable, easy, all over the place.
YES! They need more advanced courses. They just need to SEE how that will help sell more bikes and/or parts. Trust me when the numbers start dwindling in sales these programs will become popular. Every specialty retailer from cooking equipment to Ferrari dealerships have specialized training for its customers.
Harley rider courses are way too pricey at $350+.
Been riding since 1977, had several bikes and brands, on my 2nd harley, luv my road glide limited 😊 rode 2 sturgis and back twice and planning a 3rd trip...
Can’t wait to do Sturgis!
I'm 58, and I've been riding most of my life. I have noticed my riding has slowed down after our harley dealership closed up. Use to go there and visit with club and chapter members. Now I would have to ride 175 miles to the next one and I dont know anyone there. Even if I did there's no guarantee there going to be there when I get there. I do have a club that I ride with but the bike is not trustworthy any more and since I haven't been riding it it will probably sit in the garage with the other toys that I wore out.
A strong community helps the sport, it’s sad to see these long time mom and pop dealers closing up.
You must not have to pay taxes on that stuff cause you still have it. This state taxes you on everything & the more you have, the more they tax.
I've been riding since 1969 & by myself. It will continue that way. I do not need another rider for my trips. I get on the bike & GO. Don't stop until I get there or for gas. I use the bike everywhere I go except in bad weather. Video is true//Never ride with a group. Plain & simple: You have to want to ride-it is your passion to ride. If you've any doubt whatsoever, stop. Motorcycles are NOT your bag man. Only time I've dumped a bike is in gravel in a corner & another time, a gust of wind blew me off the road. That was scary. Know your bike & practice with it-low speed handling especially. Learn how to ride in the rain. Know your bike's limits & your own limits. P.S. How many Shovelheads are sitting on the parking lot of the Shovelhead Lounge?
Sadly none on most days. It’s my goal to change that!
Great advice! Riding is a passion!
Most of my riding friends have died I am age 73. I prefer to ride by myself, (2 wheel therapy) sometimes I have a passenger. I do not have or want any communication devices connecting me to anyone. Riding is more enjoyable just listing to the mechanical and exhaust notes. Since retirment 2009 I have not ridden out of state only within 100 miles of home.
I have ridden with different groups of people of different skill level. Several group rides inevitably 1 or 2 start doing STUPID, I have been the lead motor, usually I like to ride as the last motor in the group with a large distance separating me from the rest of the group. When I was employed at the H-D assembly in York, PA I road dayly from 1995 to 2009 rain, sleet, snow, or hail, I rode sidecar during slippery weather, I averaged over 100,000 miles total each year amoung the 5 motorcycles I owned. Currently I have 4 motorcycles and ride less than 1000 miles in warm months. I purchased a Miata because my brother-in - law scared her on his motor so she will not ride on my motor. When I road to Church my sister sometimes didn't go - sleeping late. With the Miata I pick her up every Sunday unless she is sick or has an in-law family reunion.
Sounds like a fun, full life! I can appreciate it.
@@donbahn1319 100,000 miles a year for 14 years?
(1995-2014)
Really?
@@mitchmurray117 yes 1995 to 2009 I only drove 4 wheels when the temp was over 90 F, then I drove my air conditioned vehicle. I rode all over Pennsylvania, and Ohio. My employment was 8 hours a day, I rode everyday after work and every weekend, I replaced many tires, and changed much oil and filters.
The pandemic screwed up a lot of things, but I bought my Sportster for commuting. I had a Goldwing for years and belonged to the clubs, but I only did poker runs.
Love my sportster!
2 reasons I see. Young men are getting into other hobbies since their is an endless amount of things to get into these days. Harley priced the young guys out of getting into a Harley when other brands are cheaper and offering more bang for the buck. The young guys have no brand loyalty. I’ve been riding since I were 32 back in 2011 on my 4th Harley, I’ve never ever considered a hog chapter. To me they want to look like an MC with a bunch or worthless patches all over their vest like it really means something. I went the route of MC and loved it. I’m solo now and still would never deal with hog chapter. All that stuff goes straight into the garbage can.
Great comment. I wonder if these three year and done owners, which I expect, even though the survey documents never stated, are 45 years old on average, because that’s the average age of a Harley buyer according to Harley Davidson, I wonder if there was a better organized community to interact with, so they could grow thier knowledge and experience and someone is there to nudge them if they’d still be riding today?
Most men in their 40’s have probably had a Harley or 2 and maybe got into another brand like Indian.i think the average 3 year rider are in their 30’s or late 20’s. Which makes the argument of the younger kids are not buying Harley’s obsolete and dumb. Maybe not as many today are into the hobby but still buying them. A new riders best bet is to hang out at the Harley shop and dealer rides plus bike night to melt friends. But at the same time considering how rude and stupid people are these days a new rider might think he’s being made fun of for having a lesser bike or older one. As I get older I prefer to be more and more alone and i was the opposite when I were younger and new. They just have to figure it out. Plus the added cost of owning and maintaining a Harley has become very expensive. They getting rid of these bikes before the warranty expires is another reason why.
@ in my area the people in their 20’s and 30’s that ride Harley ride used ones, choppers, sportsters, dynas and have other old bikes too, they bring em to bike night. But the majority in that age group don’t ride Harley. Harley reported last year their average age customer is 45. It was 48 in 2019. That’s progress I guess.
@@Prometheus1979 accurate take on the HOG chapters. All older people with patches and ropes all over the vests. Because they sure aren’t cuts. I want no part of a group of people trying to look like an MC. Nothing about a HOG chapter is attractive to a younger person.
@@synonyx Nothing about a HOG chapter is attractive to this 50-year rider, either. I ride mostly by myself these days. I used to ride in a group of people, but they all lost interest in riding, sold their bikes, and moved on to other things... and I haven't made any new riding friends since. The only reason I would ever join HOG is for the towing coverage.
I've never had a new Harley. I always buy used. I don't want to pay an arm and a leg and be stuck with payments on a vehicle that I want to customize and put hella miles on my bike.
Always the smart choice!
I have those same bars but with the straight shorty risers. Most every H-D shop has events every week. One only need go, loosen up with a beer and meet some people. The best start is in the dirt and H-D is stupid for not having at least a scrambler. Soon there will only be Geezer Glides. HOG rides are like riding in a parade. Slow.
It’s true, if you have just a little bit of initiative you can show up and make some new friends in no time.
You forgot one. Aging out! I've been riding since I was 7 years old and now 60 years later I and on my last motorcycle, a 21 Road Glide Limited. I'm about to pull the trigger on a sidecar to extend my riding maybe till 72-75 years old. If I don't hang a third wheel I'm done in the next year or two.
Well the survey results were based on new owners who bought a bike between 2019 and 2023, if anyone aged out within that time there wasn’t enough who said so to make the top 3 of the reasons.
@KennyQuestShow
Sure. I'm just saying IMHO that's one BIG reason motorcycle sales are down. The typical Harley Davidson rider is aging out AND the motor company is not bringing in young riders. The "new riders" today are middle aged Drs, Dentists, CEOs, etc that are going through their middle aged crisis and trying to capture the youth/outlaw they missed out on!
Those riders (for the most part) find out after spending $32k-$$35k that this isn't for them.
They then take a BIG loss on the bike and buy a Corvette!!!
@@donzollars8187 well I resemble that remark except I’m not a ceo or doctor, it just took me until middle age to accumulate the funds to afford a Harley.
Harleys are just not balanced well there's so many better bikes out there if you really want to go ride and have fun
Not balanced in what way?
@KennyQuestShow go ride a Harley through the twisties and then go jump on a triumph tiger and ride it through the twisties and tell me which one feels better
@ can’t do a tiger but how about a speed twin 1200 with Marzocchi suspension vs a sportster 1200 with Legend suspension in rear, progressive up front?
@@KennyQuestShow that would be incredible
@@foolonthrn alright. Stay tuned. I have this already in the works.
To me it's the same as when I was a kid and all us kids rode our bikes all over the neighborhood together it was awesome now we're just older kids and it's fun to ride with people Go places I never do I always ride by myself but it would be funEver since COVID all my friends are on the interweb and most of them live in Florida I live in Las Vegas it's not much fun riding in Las Vegas I do love writing down to count vamps though but I was getting trouble
Yes, you nailed the vibe.
The world of motorcycling is changing...the trend worldwide is for smaller, more manageable, lighter bikes. Harley continues to produce beautiful bikes, but unfortunately most are overweight & tall.some are hard to manage in slow situations (parking etc) that's one reason you find people swap for a lighter, smaller bike. Same as Adventure bikes, got to be 8' tall to ride one !! Think of the extra sales brands would have, if they had options for lighter, lower bikes.... I read an article that nearly 10% of Harley's new purchasers are women, fantastic !! but because on average they do not have the same strength as men, moving & riding comes as an extra challenge. I know of many women that get off their learners license riding a small bike, then going straight out & buy a Street Glide or Road Glide ! And then watch them drop them repeatedly on rides trying to negotiate them into parking spots or fuel bowsers ! 2-3 years later they abandon the bike world because they have lost interest.
That’s why I love my sportster iron 883.
Love to Ride started age 5 till today @68 & ride south @ least 300 days per year most short 10- 100 Mile Rip & Roars rides solo Harley my choice owned &road the heck outa 3 Harleys but also Honda, Kawasaki and Yamaha’s back when we were young it didn’t matter still don’t matter what you ride just that your ride but riding snot the same as all years past bc so much traffic distracted, drivers populations exploding around me makes riding a lot more dangerous so little less enjoyable, I usually ride to country Roads solo or maybe two or three at most, good friends that I know can ride will never ride big unknown rides in a group ride Never
Sounds like you’ve lived a great life on two wheels!
Im feeling similarly. Harley seems to be too expensive, too “old” for younger riders. Curious to see how their future unfolds 👀
On January 23rd the new models will be released let’s see how HD responds. 🧐
New models are $2k more. See how THAT works out
@@logangodofcandy it won’t for the touring, let’s see what the rest of the line looks like.
My two younger brothers 20/25 yrs old both want Dyna's like FXDX or FXDXT's really bad because they see the youngsters riding together and doing stunts.
That is what’s hot right now
I rode in my youth but hung up my helmet because of the kids. They are out of the house so in 2023 I returned to riding. I’m accustomed to riding alone. I took the MSF BRC through a Harley Dealer as a refresher, so I get invited to and attend events. I am also a member of a BMW riders group and a Moto Guzzi riders group. There is a big difference between Harley and the BMW and MG groups. HOG events, I shake my head and chuckle, I really don’t get it. There are some riders there, but it does seem mostly about ego and image. I have never seen a group of people so fascinated by smoke and noise. While I have never felt unwelcome showing up on my BMW or my Moto Guzzi, it is clear that I don’t belong, I’m not really accepted, have never been asked to join a ride nor has anyone accepted my invitation to ride. The BMW and MG groups are mostly riders meeting for the love of riding, not ego or image. Some of the BMW group members don’t own BMW. Sure the occasional friendly jab at the other brand is thrown out for humor’s sake, but everyone is welcome and friendly. I have been invited to join rides and riders have accepted my invitation. Entirely different dynamic. And quieter as well😂
For anyone looking for a group, I would suggest join BMW MOA. The have a grant program and reimburse for a part of rider training, the Anonymous book lists members that are willing to help in emergencies, repair, trailer, a place to stay. Other benefits too well worth the membership fee. Then search for BMW MOA affiliated local clubs. You can find the cubs without joining MOA, I know our group welcomes any rider who shows up whether or not they are a member. Some events and rides have fees for non members, but they are always welcome.
In all 3 cases, the average age is a bunch of old guys for sure. We would like to see more younger riders joining, they are welcome. It would be nice to have youth in the clubs and be able to carry the club into the future. My son started riding, I am hoping he will join me for some of the meetings and rides. Keep the shiny side up.
There ya go. I’d like to see a future where all brands of bikes and riders mix. Makes things interesting and great for learning.
I'm 67 been riding bikes since 1974 still got my first Harley I bought in 78 it's a 68 FLH I have a 95 softtail custom I rebuilt after a bad wreck in 09 . I have had 8 back surgeries just bought a 05 softtail standard that I have to put a tranny in got a transmission for a good deal . That bike belonged to my best friend who just passed away today my heart is broken 💔 . I will fix it and ride it in his honor I don't ride in groups anymore most of my brother's have passed away or gave up riding all together. Riding is true freedom it keeps me sane and I'm sure my time will come to give it up but not today. 😎✌️
That is a story of passion!
Did you mention the age group of the survey?
I know several old guys that are walking away from motorcycles, but have met several young guys getting into Harleys and other brands. Some are buying Dynas and Softails from individuals. Not the dealership. No survey. And female ownership has greatly increased. You can see for yourself at local events. I stopped participating in local rides due to the amount of bikes that show up. I'm not riding in a group of hundred people that may have started riding recently. Regardless, go to your local dealers "bike night". Pay attention to the turnout.
In my area it’s exactly as you report, dynas, sportsters and Ducati’s for the 20-35 crowd. The survey does not mention age, however the survey reports the average new bike buyer between 2019-2023 is age 45.
Three dealerships in my area have decided not to have or support a HOG Chapter.
Wow. That’s says something.
Still trying to get my wife back on, she was right behind me when I had my accident 3 years ago. She wants us to get a trike, and im not opposed to it, as long as I keep something on 2 wheels for me. I need to pay something off first, and there is the traction controller issue harley had. Im at abt 4 years back on the bike, and I had a long break. I kinda get how a new rider would feel.
If I was married and she felt most comfortable on a trike I’d give that experience to us as well, but like you said, need two wheels as well.
@KennyQuestShow i also don't think I will buy another new harley, ever. I've done it, and it is what it is, but it ties up too much of my money for too long. There is too big of a used market, ive worked on bikes since the 90s, and I went to school to be a mechanic... I have issues with the cost of service, repairs, the worth of esp? I can build a bike, its not a problem. I also have an issue with my dealership closing, and the new dealership that is too far away. My next bike dont even have to be a Harley-Davidson. I love the bikes i have though
@ I’m with you. My preference is to buy vehicles preowned. I made an exception with my first bike, out of fear of the unknown. If I win the lottery I may choose to buy new, but too much depreciation in new bikes. If I ever get a M8, I’d rather pick one up preowned with the stage I or II already done. Lately though my interests are in the older models.
I believe a trike saved us.. hit from rear sitting still... He was 50 mph....messed us up but a year and a half back on another trike...
Might take a minute but a trike is ok...
I'm 60 and have been riding most of my life. But when I found out that Harley went woke, I sold both of them.
I mostly rode solo. I would ride with the local group for the toys for tots runs but thats it. No interest in joining.
My daughter used to ride with me all the time, but she has long since grown up and got married.
No more bikes? Is the road calling?
@KennyQuestShow I'm a trucker and classic car owner. The road is always calling.
If I rode a Harley for three years I'm pretty sure I'd lose interest too.
Zing Zing 🤣
Group rides are asking for it
They can be sketchy
I ride solo and love it, I don't like large groups of people.
Awesome!
Hilarious. 800 lb motorcycles for 75 y.o. guys. No price tags on the bikes at the dealers. The overhead for the dealerships must be beyond belief.
Me: Ebike rider. Started riding motorcycles in 1963. Have a 2002 Honda 919 and a 2011 Suzuki 650 Burgman. Bought new.
Buy used. Offer half of the asking price. You'll be the only offer.
A preowned HD is the smart play.
I rode H-D for thirty years. I ride Indian motorcycles now. I like ‘em better. Maybe I got burned out on Harley.
That Thunderstroke engine is nice looking.
I’ve been riding since I was a wee lad! I’ve been around some of these groups and for the most part it’s a pretty lame experience!
HOG = Horribly Overgrown Goofballs! All those patches and doodads I totally agree that it’s just for show!
I’ve been in a few organizations Vet groups (because I’m a combat veteran) and now I’m riding with one of the oldest MC’s in the country… hint, they started out in California in 1946 when they stopped in Hollister CA and drag raced up and down the Main Street and the first President was none other than Wino Willie (RIP Brother Wino)
They even made a movie based on that 4th of July weekend called the Wild Ones with Marlon Brando and Lee Marvin. We were in Life magazine that vilified us as outlaws and drunks! Best press we ever had!
Still a great club that I have been part of for the last 11 years and proud of it! We ride without fear but we stay in our lane! We don’t subject our members to dangerous situations beyond any control.
But we ride hard and ride fast!
It’s certainly NOT for everybody. We vet pretty hard on motorcycle skills! We watch each other’s backs. It’s not safe to ride without keeping your head on a swivel!
So if you ever run into a group of people who seem to have their sh*t together you might think differently of motorcycle clubs, riding clubs and the like. There is something for every rider.
We go see a lot of places and rides that you’ll never forget! Our reputation has kept this club going since 1946! BFU!
I follow Robert Patrick on Instagram and he tells stories about the club. I google searched and there is a Central Florida chapter, I may see them around someday.
It is my observation that many new riders bigin with Harley because of an image. I know a number of them, and some continued ridong for decades. Im pushing 70 and got my first motorcycle, a Suzuki 80 Hillbilly, at 10 years old. As a 15 year old 10th grader, I wanted a znorton Commando. It was the quickest best gandling motorcycle made.
I still own the two Commandos I bought in the 70s.
For me, HD represents way too much conformity. Riding is about the travel and the experience. It isn't about the motorcycle brand, especially one that includes so much conformity. I can already go wherever I wish, and for about the price of a Sportster, Ive got the 3 bulket proof vintage tourers for my brothers to ride.
At near 70, Im looking for an alternative, meeting light weight and horsepower criteria that isnt sold at HD dealers.
That said, HD isnt the only manufacturer having trouble selling these days.
cause you got to be rich to afford a new Harley... rich people get bored easy. for a tenth of the price you can ride a sport tour that goes 300kmh and is more comfy than a couch
They’ll finance anyone for 96 months
me and my wife ride solo 99% of the time. and we have been together 40+ yrs
That’s awesome! Love hearing that. You are blessed!
Well I've had five bikes from a dyna to a trike and from what I've seen is yes belonging to a group is a biggy. There are two things I've seen is harley service and warranty (if under warranty fix the damn thing right just not blow the owner off it warranty the dealership doesn't paid the warranty Harley does. Turns alot of riders off. The next is the damn price a rider goes into a dealership and sees a bike cost like xamount and they just shit, plus the dealers don't deal just this is the price take it or good by. This what I've experienced.
Yeah the dealer experience is one sided. It favors the dealer. They prey on new riders, fatter margins. I bought my second Harley from an independent, no fees, no bs.
The problem is most ppl that ride Harley or cruisers are a 100 yrs old especially in hog chapters.
Average age buyer is 45 years old, down from 48 in 2018, so it’s trending younger at the moment
You know I love my little sportster it's cheap for a Harley but it's all I could afford and it was actually what I wanted but still expensive and I felt proud that I bought a Harley I don't give a rats **** about them anymore I wouldn't buy another Harley for nothing I used to feel proud now they're just an overpriced bike to me. Don't get me wrong I'll still ride around on my bike but I'm not going to run down there to buy another one. Ohh and then they get rid of my bike get some liquid cool thing call it a sportster
I hear ya, I bought a ‘21 iron 883. I love it, but it was $14k when all said and done.
I switched from super bikes to cruisers about 5 years ago, even before i got it, folks have been putting harley is dying videos harley is done, harley is going bsnkrupt. Im over these videos. When i hear they are shutting down then i will believe it.
I doubt they’ll shut down but data showing that of thousands of folks who bought new
bikes 36% of them stopped riding that bike within 3 years. That’s a problem that needs solving and I believe the community can help. It’s about more of us on 2 wheels and less of them.
@KennyQuestShow when I did switch i wasn't sure if I would stick to cruisers or not so I slowly went that way. First I searched for a black and chrome yamaha vstar 1100. It looked the most like a harley and I got it with little over 9thousand miles for 2500 dollars. I rode it a few times b4 winter. The next riding season I started looking for a harley street glide. I found a 2012 with just over 10 thousand miles on it. I still wasn't sure about crusier life yet and didn't want to plank down the money on a brand new one so I found a barley broke in used one for way less money. So your right about the problem. It's not just harleys people are buying and not riding. The fact that I was able to find both a harley and a metric cruiser. Both with very few miles shows your right. People get the bike bug and go buy one then either they loose intrest or just don't have the time to enjoy it. My neighbor up the road had a pearl white vstar sitting in his yard for a good few years. Whole time he had it I seen him and the wife ride it once. One day my wife and I were over talking to them and we finally figured it out. That couple was riding one day and rode up on a bad bike wreck. They rode home and except for that one day we seen them never rode it again. Fast forward a couple years and they got divorced him and his son both bought cvo dressers and rode them every weekend for a while. Now even b4 winter started sitting in both their bikes began to sit. In a few years someone will get a good deal on those barley riden dressers. And now i still have the vstar my youngest son rides it now, it now has over 30 thousand miles on it. My harley now has over 45thousand on its clock. They get riden now like they were built for. And both bikes bought b4 covid the harley right as covid was starting the vstar a year b4. Though I do believe covid was a factor this problem has been around longer than covid.
Too many people in cars Texting. They are not paying attention to their driveing
This is a fact.
Have to agree about the HOG riding groups, i went to one last year out of Kissimmee and found a close knit group of unfriendly pompous people, didn't even ride back after lunch everyone took off, it's nice having a riding buddy or two but I'll ride alone over a HOG group of posers. If you were to ad everything up and weigh it on a scale, Harley would rate at the bottom of the pile in every category.
That’s the vibe they advertise. Keeps out the riff raff I guess. FTW.
Three years, really. I would have been done by the time I was 18 and got my first car. Until I was 18 My 175 Bridgestone was my first car. 69 now, dam were did them years go. Six rice grinders and four Harley's. I don't ever remember saying that I don't want to go for a ride because I can't find anybody to ride with. There has been times that I have looked up at the sky and just laughed out loud. It wasn't the love of the bike I was riding, it was that I was riding. That passion still burns strong. Somebodies fad bike becomes somebody else's next bike. Thank you RUBs. The 2025s are coming out so get on in there, you don't have to ride it but it looks cool in your garage. Had to laugh at the 30 to 50 miles. For me an evening ride might be 50 to 100 miles. A weekend ride could be 125 to 150 miles with friends or 150 to 250 solo, no bar breaks, results my very.
I have had many reasons to stop riding and I don't encourage anyboby to ride. I will be the first to tell you that if you go out that driveway you my never come back. You pick your passion and assess the risk. But if you keep the rides down to 30 to 50 miles that lowers the risk lol.
Lol I have been riding a few more than the three years but the two most likely reasons that I stop riding is, I got to old to hold the bike up or I hit a third Deer and it made my wife a Widow.
Thanks Kenny for another great video. Just wondering are you going to pull the plug after three or so years or are you going to buy a new bike to clutter up the garage? Just asking for a friend.
Well I surpassed my 3rd riding anniversary so I guess I beat the odds! It’s true though, it’s not very hard to ride 200 miles in day. Thanks for your comment!
I dont think that buddy at the end of the video was all there.
I agree. When I ran into him earlier that day he was stoned off his ass. 🤣
Majority aint cut out for this life. End of story
There ya go. Straight up!
Love to Ride started age 5 till today @68 & ride south @ least 300 days per year most short 10- 100 rip rosrds Harley my choice owned road heck outa 3 Harleys but also Honda, Kawasaki and Yamaha’s back when we were young it didn’t matter still don’t matter what you ride just that your ride but Ron /‘s not the same so much traffic distracted, drivers populations exploding around me makes writing a lot more dangerous little less enjoyable, I would ride to country Roads solo or maybe two or three at most, will never ride big unknown rides in a group ride Never
If you have experienced a few group rides and you have a choice of riding solo or with one or two buddy’s most will pick solo and some buddy’s
The vandalism against
Harley, by Green Party,
Woke, Occupation and
Black Lives Matter was
disgusting.
Selling speed bikes for
kids crippled and killed
a lot of kids.
Screaming, Harley was
too expensive was a lie.
Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all too short a date;
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
A life change would be married, children, job loss ect...
For sure, Or return to the office after a office shutdown.
Me and my brother ride his Kawasaki's together and having someone to ride with makes it so much more fun. But it's about cost of entry with Harley they are big heavy expensive bikes not real good for beginners. They would do much better on a smaller lighter bike that's more manageable I ride an 800 and I still think a full size Harley would be too much bike for me.
That’s awesome! At slow speeds they can be difficult to maneuver
A lil Paul Revere in the intro. Nice...
☺️ I believe you’re the first to catch that 💯