Personally I don’t watch Ashikai’s lore videos cause she considers every piece of info as a theory and not a fact which confuses me a lot. Yeah sure her videos are great but confusing to me. Personally I prefer Catwithbluehat, an extremely underrated lore channel that points out the facts and theories separately without mixing them up. You can check his video on the archon quest. th-cam.com/video/NuCO-ZGrWU8/w-d-xo.html
It was never identified or confirmed to be Eldrick best More so his son and his wife When your voice actors don’t matter because usually an anime or games when a character grow up they intend on using a different voice actor
@@sparklight0964 no, it’s about letting the original creator get views/paid before another creator reacts and takes some of that viewership. immediately reacting to an upload is intentionally trying to take a portion of the viewers.
For the VA of Kaeya's father, that was not "that" long ago. It was during the wine-event, where we learned about Razor's parents. I don't think they'd change it that quickly. Also, even if EN dubs switch actors more freely, JP, and I assume CN as well, are very strict on keeping the same VA for the same characters. I think Kaeya's father might be a grown-up Caribert, whose curse was broken. The issue is how Kaeya recognizes Dain's eyes if his father was not full-blood either, but there are other ways he could have learned this information. I like the idea, because Caribert's mother was from Mondstadt. So, adult Caribert dropping Kaeya off in Mondstadt to give him a happier life just... makes a lot more sense. It also explains how Kaeya was able to grow up with Diluc, and age normally alongside him. He is probably not older than 22 (or, 25 now), unlike Caribert.
i just listened to the weinlesefest cutscene in all the languages and the EN and JP voices do sound like Clothar's JP and CN voice(they sound almost the same but i'm not sure if they are) but the KR and ENG one sound almost completely different
When Caribert disappeared for the second time, he left his scarf on a crate just outside the hut. Which is why everyone assumed that the corpse underneath the garden was Chlotar and because the corpse was *holding* (not tied) a scarf. I also think that our abyss twin was the one who buried Chlotar because the traveler was able to recall it and decided to unearth the garden. Our abyss twin wouldn't just bury a random person along with a scarf that is important to Chlotar. Which is why I think it was the real Chlotar who was buried in the garden. It also cant be Caribert who was buried cuz Paimon said that it just normal skeletons and not a hilichurl's After Caribert dies of cringe, Chlotar founded the Abyss Order as a proof of his faith to the Crystal. Died later on and was buried by our twin. Then our twin succeeded the role and continued the abyss order
Oh, and also during the quest Chlothar says at one point something along the lines of being very tired and wishing to just lay down in that field, which the Abyss Twin hears.
Ok also here is another brainrot theory of mine. It's weird that Chlotar, despite being cursed with immortality actually died. So I think that after he created abyss order, death was his reward from the Sinner, who is powerful enough to grant it to his followers, but such action is not something he can accomplish willy-nilly, therefore being granted confirmed death is the motivation, that pushes the former citizens of Khaenriah that roam the world just like Chlotar did, to join the abyss order, and work towards the Sinner's goal.
I have a theory that Dainsleif is actually a sword that only the Royalty can use. In mythology, dainsleif is a sword that is suppossed to kill somebody when it's unleashed. Maybe that's why our twin is upset because he couldn't do his duty and kill the "threat" or whatever to save Khaenri'ah. Clothar also didn't really recognize Dain when he saw our twin and him, maybe Dainsleif wasn't always in a human form for Alberichs to see.
Yeah Dain suffers from erosion and he claimed that the fountain in the chasm shouldn't exist/didn't know it exists. I find Dain to be an unreliable narrator due to his memory or his own agenda.
I believe in the flashback he has before he sacrifices himself it implies that he recovered some memories after touching the inteyvat flowers the abyss sibling left behind
@EnderHeart5911 so Dain claims the curse is incurable but the fountain is unknown to him and (spoilers for carabet), the curse is in fact curable given Clothar breaks it. Dain is just as flawed as anyone else.
@@soulstealer5625 Sorry, I thought you were insinuating that Dainsleif knew about the pool and forgot about it or that he purposefully kept it a secret to further his own goals. My mistake.
The Caribert quest really made me appreciate Paimon and her companionship in general. Being around a strange npc like Chlothar who was clearly unstable and growing increastingly unhinged was pure nightmare fuel for me and I was safe behind a screen....just imagine how the Traveler felt...
About the VAs at 23:20 The VAs are different in every language, so it would make sense. Edit: He would have to start aging +-300-400 years (that's probably how old this quest is?) after this quest. He was shown as a children in the manga anyway. I think it's more likely that Clothar is his grand grand father or something. Also we don't know if Clothar had any siblings, so he might have been just an uncle.
9:51 Hey Bran! I wanna point out something interesting Ashiksi said here. Since it didn't matter which twin we play, the outcome will still be the same because they think so similarly; wouldn't that be the reason when choosing between two dialogue options, the response is still the same assuming if in situation the twins are together and pick both to complete each other sentences, it will make so much sense. Do you get what I mean?
Oh god..they finished each other's...SANDWICHES. But thatd still be so cool. Thats why the dialogue options doesnt change anything, it wasnt meant to change anything, it was just one twin picking up what the other wouldve said as well, since theyre not together
To instantly dismiss the VA notion of Kaeya's father seems shortsighted. Mihoyo has consistently used and teased things with the smallest of hints. They clearly pay a lot of attention to the details (Breathing in Dragonspine w/ either puppet) and VA's would fall into this category. Especially when it comes to the CN and JP dubs. They are very consistent. Reusing the Honkai VA's for their Genshin equivalent is another one of these cases. TeriTeri still voices Nahida and same for Yae and Mei. Its def good to question it as your right situations can change but barring some massive issue Hoyo will and does seem to go out of their way to get the VA's. Just my thoughts on this particular segment.
There's no real dismissing, it's a theory, all I meant was the fact that the VA is not the same after it's been possibly hundreds of years doesn't instantly discount the fact the theory could be upheld still, it could also be that it's just not the same person at all obviously, it's just a theory
Mushrooms tend to grow on dead things like life and dead tree bark, an interesting detail.. The odd mushrooms resemble the very near identical rukkhashava mushroom, closely related to the god of life and wisdom or consciousness and growth from death My idea is that the odd mushrooms are normal rukkhashava mushrooms cultivated from the cursed energy of Eide’s wife buried in the field The absorbed curse having a sort of anti-curse effect when concocted into medicine for Caribert similar to how you need snake venom to make an antivenom with a careful/natural dosage So the combo of conscious energy, anti-curse and pure water/blessing is likely why Caribert was able to awaken from his inner coma
Also i would like to add that people confused VERY EASILY immortality with invulnerability.. being immortal, only means you don't die from sickness or age.. they can still be killed. Otherwise it would still need to be full of people from kahenriha which is not. I don't remember if the games says that they cannot die even if you cut their heads or burn them. Also nobody even noticed that the abyss herald and similar have armor ad a mask, so there could totally be a human inside it, we never saw one without mask.
I don't think the twins are clones, but I think they came from the same. As in, they are both the same person, split in half. I think they might be Phanes, fragmented into two twins, but they are not aware of it themselves. They are still their own individuals, but they were once the same.
if they're the same person split in two, then why would one half be considered an outlander and the other not? unless one half represents celestia and the other the abyss
@@bengreene4972they came from outside when they were one, and the one who isnt an outlander was basically "born" in teyvat if they divided once theyre here?
Re: the voice actors, you would be surprised how seriously jp deals w the consistency of their VAs. So if Clothar's jp VA is not the voice we hear during weinlese, then it is likely not him.
I never thought Kaeya was Caribert that's why I don't understand where the theory even came from but during the time I was watching I changed mind a lot of times~ xD But in the end, Kaeya being a descendant of the Alberich and not being Caribert makes more sense. Kaeya grew up with Diluc, even if we say that maybe Chlotar left him in Dawn Winery when Caribert became human again it doesn't fit the timeline, the memory happened 100 years ago or atleast that long ago before Chlotar became the founder of the Abyss Order, if Caribert became human that time, Diluc isn't alive by then....during that 100 years to the time that Kaeya was left in the Winery, what did he do? Did he just slept just like the Traveler? Also, to Hoyoverse's credit, they are faithful to details like VAs different for different characters and VAs being similar to proxy characters between Honkai and Genshin, suddenly overlooking that detail between Chlotar and Kaeya's father during the Wine Festival is very uncharacteristic for them.
Finally, someone who is not honed in kaeya-caribert theory! I don't subscribe to that theory for what you said also people tend to forget that clothar could very well have been from a different Alberich clan branch. Considering we have Pierro, who look like he could be an older version of kaeya. It does beg the question which Alberich family branch are they from. And if Pierro is also an Alberich
@@rinnies7474 yeah, it's not a far fetched idea or theory that Kaeya is from another branch of the Alberich family, also Dain already said Kaeya is a descendant, even if we have to be privy to all the info the characters are giving us, it's just so inconvenient to question everything. Also, Kaeya's dad seems to hate Khae'nriah based on Kaeya's profile while Chlotar hates Celestia and the Gods, why try to heal the cursed Hilichurls at the same time hate the place they were born in specially that they're the reason why the country even fell in the first place.
@@ayashi6931 so that's how you interpret kaeya's father from his story. When I read it, I took it that he has hopes for kaeya and khanria'ah. He did say "you are our last hope" to little kaeya.
@@rinnies7474 I thought that as well but the description of how he looked towards the horizon where Khae'nriah is supposed to be tells me otherwise. Maybe the place is not important, maybe it's the location Kaeya's father is angry about, I don't really know~
@@ayashi6931 that's an interesting point of observation and interpretation of the situation. I didn't take that into consideration when I was reading. Hmm, it's as you said, we really don't know which of the interpretation is correct or it could be both until much later :3c on a sidenote: it's been fun talking to someone about the difference in interpretation of media and theory respectfully. I had fun discussing with you :)
I wholeheartedly don't believe Kaeya is Caribert. My main counter to the whole Caribert is Kaeya idea is that it's stated that both Diluc and Kaeya grew up and AGED together. So if the events of the quest took place hundreds of years ago how could Kaeya have grew up and aged the same as Diluc. He would have to be hundreds of years older than Diluc and they would've have aged together.
I think it means that Kaeya would have been Caribert as a child, broken the curse, been left at Mondstat, and then been able to age normally with Diluc. I don’t believe the theory either, I think it’s more likely he’s a descendant of Caribert. Because also… wouldn’t he have remembered this whole thing??
I generally find it really interesting that in We Will Be Reunited, the abyss twin blames Dain for "failing to prevent the destruction of Khaenri'ah" and letting its people down, in spite of the fact they were clearly travel companions after those events took place. I'm also leaning towards a situation where Dain revealed something he'd done to the abyss twin that puts more blame on him than he was thought to previously shoulder, like a Kaeya- Diluc situation as mentioned in the video.
Wasn't it you who theorized that Mondstadt would be the final battleground? Or was I thinking about somebody else? Anyway, what if Kaeya is NOT Caribert, instead, is a vessel for the loom that was obtained by the Alberich BECAUSE of Caribert? What if it was an inheritance among members of the family, passed on from one member to the next generation? What if they indeed were able to sever their ties to the curse, but because the one who carried the loom would suffer a fate worse than the curse, Kaeya's father chose to abandon him in Monds? Or left him there as a safety, to conceal him from anyone who'd use the secret? It could be possible that the Alberich are likewise biding their time and one day will return for Kaeya to take what's been stored in him, to use him as fodder for their purpose, assuming they're nefarious enough. If this is the case, then the final part of the story would be some mad dash to get to Kaeya first: Jester finds out of the truth, and he turns out to be the piece missing to be able to use all the gnoses, so the Harbingers race to Monds to capture him; the Abyss sibling and Order are there too, finally finding out about where the Loom is, or at the very least, the manual to make a loom that Kaeya isn't even aware of; Dain'd be there to stop them, Celestia would awake to destroy everything, the archons who wish to prevent another cataclysm, and then our Traveler who just wants to save everybody. Would be some finale...
Ngl the caribert quest made me cry it was sad to me especially because you could hear the pain in caribert’s voice and the fact his dad went crazy just trying to save him
At the end mind was just blown😅 Ashikai just manages to connect everything in a way i would have never even think about. Its quite incredible to be honest 😶
Keaya = caribert doesn't make sense Especially since if we think chlothar broke cariberts curse and now he's human The timeline doesn't match up with keayas at all for example if caribert became a normal human with no immortality curse he'd be dead by now And if he was immortal it wouldn't make sense since the immortality curse won't make you age if it did dainsleif would be a fucking wrinkly ass person and we know keaya literally GREW UP within diluc he can age he isn't cursed at all Caribert quest was HUNDREDS OF YEARS old
I suddenly realise something, Caribert gone nuts when he saw his face doesn't make sense or match with his memory, and us the Traveler kinda got shocked when we realise we are not ourself and freaked out when we saw our sibling's face instead of our own face. Aside from ambitions, identities, constellations, and Teyvat's laws, are their own faces somehow very important and can physically affect sentient beings on Teyvat as well?
Regarding the historical figures Clotaire the 1st (Clothar) had his son Caribert with a woman named Ingonde Ingonde is from Germany, and the mother of caribert in genshin is from mondstadt This is the only link i found other than the things said in the video for now
I mean the Va’s do matter tho, we’ve seen many npc’s talk to us years after they were introduced tho, I mean look at Huffman, he’s had the same voice all these years since we met him in the Mondstadt archon quest and Diluc’s story quest, and he spoke to the traveler just recently in the TCG event and it’s the same voice, so had Clothar’s and Kaeya’s dad been the same person, the voices would’ve perfectly matched
I've been playing Honkai Star Rail lately and getting to know more about Honkai characters (since there are so many similar characters) and i noticed some of the archons and gods are heavily based on Honkai characters (Venti, Raiden, Asmoday aka the Heavenly Principles, and very likely Murata will be Himeko expy and Bronya will be the tsaritsa) And just recently i found out Luocha is actually Otto Apocalypse. I am thinking Desheret/Irmin could be an Otto expy, which would explain why the twins look like him and might be related to him.
i really enjoy this kind of videos of yours. reacting to the theory and adding own's perspective/theory/speculation as well. two heads are better than one, they say. keep it up~ PS: Ashikai the gigachad lore archon ♥
A bit of correction on Ashikai's part, the twins were not separated by 500 years of time or space. If you read Character Story 1 on Traveler's profile, it says, and I quote: "The god took your only kin away, and you were sealed and cast into a deep slumber filled with nightmares..." Traveler really was just in a coma for 500 years, which is also the story they presented in the original closed beta, albeit in that version, our sibling gets impaled and chained up by Sustainer... which is interesting. Ashikai's theories here are overall fascinating and make a lot of sense, though. I am still curious as to why the gods destroyed Khaenri'ah, and I can't help but wonder if the Celestial Nails come into play, after what we learned from the Flower of Paradise Lost artifact set. The Goddess of Flowers told King Deshret that the Seelies were envoys of Celestia, and that era is also talked about in the Tiara artifacts in order of Frost, Flame, Torrents, and Thunder. She says that Descenders came and caused "breakthroughs" that caused people to see things they shouldn't have, and the Heavenly Principles sent down the Celestial Nails to repair these "breakthroughs", destroying civilizations in the process. Look to the destroyed civilization of Sal Vindagnyr on Dragonspine, which fell because of a Celestial Nail. But wait, the scribe that Sal Vindagnyr had at the time was named Ukko, and there is a Frostarm Lawachurl on Dragonspine with a special top-of-the-screen health bar with the name Ukko. Hilichurls are recorded as having existed for thousands of years, and Sal Vindagnyr was destroyed thousands of years ago, before Barbatos became the Anemo Archon (I can explain my reasoning in depth if need be, but I don't wanna make this comment too long, especially since I need to get ready for work soon). At the end of the Caribert quest, when Chlothar starts speaking to us as the Abyss Sibling, it starts to sound almost like he at least partially blames the Abyss Sibling for Khaenri'ah getting destroyed, and I wondered why. Well, if the Abyss Sibling came as a "Descender" before getting integrated into Irminsul, what if coming to Teyvat from the outside and integrating into Irminsul also adds your memories of the worlds beyond Teyvat into Irminsul's database, causing it to freak out from knowledge that shouldn't be in Teyvat? What if that's what causes "breakthroughs"? What if our Sibling inadvertently caused a "breakthrough" in Khaenri'ah and the Heavenly Principles responded by sending a Celestial Nail along with the Archons to try to contain the resulting damage?
Plus if the artifacts' reporting of the Goddess of Flowers' speech is to be believed, then there should be a third celestial nail somewhere in the desert region.....in Khaenri'ah?
@@worm2976 The thing is, if there is a Celestial Nail in Khaenri'ah, it's a separate one from the one that turned half of Sumeru into a desert because 1. That area was desert even before Khaenri'ah fell 500 years ago. 2. The circlet piece of the Golden Dreams artifact set states that the very first Celestial Nail that came to Teyvat landed in Sumeru, "burying tree and meadow under the flowing sands." Meaning it fell before the ones in Dragonspine and the Chasm.
This quest gave me about 1 billion questions and i immediately went to her recap video as i finished the quest to unmelt my brain hopefully and now i have only more brain melt.
Dane also had the title of the Boughkeeper and had access to Irminsul. I still feel Dane wiped Lumine from Irminsul, manipulated Lumine’s mind trying to control her by order of The Jester. Lumine and her twin are from off world and the potion, or magical spell she was under, came undone and she became a loose canon or unwitting asset.
@BranOnline calling me out @48:39 was not on my 2023 bingo card, but here we are, damn. Also incase anyone was wondering, my name is a mix of Hisoka from hunterxhunter and Soka from Avatar the last airbender
yeah the new axe enemy is abyss exclusive, There have been a few enemies like that in the past, they eventually get a spot on the overworld, some abyss enemies were like that in the past as well. 20:10 exactly, been thinking of this for a while too, all these groups essentially want to take out celestia, they are going about it in a fairly evil way, but, I think we will have to work with them to fight off the bigger threat. I really hope eventually, there will be another "khaenri'ah level event" that celestia tries to start, and we will have to stop it, alongside the abyss/fetui/archons/ maybe even the people from the nation. I mean how cool would a avengers level team up be where you have a whole army of playable characters fighting against celestia in a war for the existence of Teyvat, THAT would be an epic finale. also it makes me wonder if we will ever get a "11 harbingers" of the abyss, I mean we know so little about the organization, apart from a few key members, they could certainly be saving them for the bigger antagonists between the fetui and celestia. I hope eventually they do introduce some key important top level characters from the abyss. Since they could be all sorts of humanoid/monsters/ half and halfs, they could have some crazy designs.
I said this in her video's comments: the "sinner" was NOT talking to the "Traveler" and I don't know why Ashikai assumes this. "It" was talking to Chlothar .... "Why do you bow down?" The traveler was NOT bowing down.
But what about the "sinner" bit then? If the crystal was talking to Chlothar, Chlothar would hear the "I am only a sinner" bit too, but when we bring this up, Chlothar throws a fit about the audacity of calling this true and proper god a sinner.
@@whistlegirl5726 There is no evidence he could hear the voice, in fact he seemed not to and "blanked out" while he bowed. He seems to be compelled to this action. There is no reason the sinner had to be addressing the MC. "The Sinner" in fact did not seem to be. It's just that the MC heard the conversation somehow. Just because the MC heard him does not mean "The Sinner" was addressing him.
@@FrederickSkinner 🤔 Come to think of it, could it be that the crystal guy wasn't talking to anyone in particular? Surely he would notice that the one he was talking to is out of it. Maybe we just walked in on a bit of a philosophical monologue. And then as soon as we asked a question, the voice stopped. Maybe the crystal guy never expected to be heard and talked to in the first place?
A lot of people are conviced that the theory: The Second Who Came lost to the war against the Primordial One, and banished Him to the depths of the Abyss and labaled him as a "Sinner". is true
Hi Bran. I found your video recently since I just get back to Genshin after stop playing the game after pulled for Venti in 1.0. Dont asked me why. hehe. I just watched this video and find your theory about everything comes back to mondstat is interesting. and I am here with couple of interesting topic to share with you. Hope you can read and think about it. It is a little bit too long thou. Sorry :D Think about it In mondstat, I think if I am not mistaken, it has the highest population of hilichurl, not the total amount but as area per spawn ratio since mondstat is quite small even if you take into account dragon spine, the area feels more populated. There are a lot simpler reason why Hoyo made it like that which in game design perspective, Hilichurl is the most basic enemy and it suits the game progression to have people learn the combat using the most basic enemies. However, maybe this is too stretch but if Hoyo really want mislead us on the whole world building and combat progression aspect, Khanreah maybe come from Mondstat all along. Think again, Hilichurl is Khanreah cursed civilian. Where are they come from? definitely from Khanreah. So, if we ignore the fact that they are basic mob for combat progression aspect, it makes less sense if there are a lot of them in Mondstat and not somewhere else if let say they spread across the world. It also does not make sense that only in Mondstat that people there have a way to communicate with them, see their reaction and sort of having coexistence with Hilichurl. Other thing is.... from all "DLC" area being release in Genshin, ie, Dragon spine, Desert, Enkonomiya, Chasm..... Dragonspine seems a little bit odd to include in the group. Why? In all other area except Dragonspine, there are structures which really resemble Khanreah architecture thou they are not Khanreah. Which means, Khanreah is not there or we assume not from those places. However, in Dragonspine, not only we dont have that kind of structure, we also dont have underground section of the main map in Mondstat while other region all have underground city or civilisation of some sort (if you consider the pyramid underground part of 'Underground' area). Which makes me wonder, what if Khanreah have been in Mondstat all along. Remember, the first cutscene and instances that the Twin watch us is when we are fighting monster in Mondstat which although it is not strong, imply that we are close to them. Considering if Khanreah is the main base for Abyss Order, the Twin can take a bit of walk or teleport to see us is not far fetch. Maybe Twin can just teleport to wherever place they want but it is possibility. And.. the first instance we talk to Dains is in Mondstat. The interlude section comes after Liyue which if we consider chronologically, we should be in Liyue and meet Dains there to make sense in real world travelling timeline sense. But we go back to Mondstat and met him there instead. It is interesting indeed. Maybe this all is far fetched as you say but it is interesting indeed.
Idk if you'll see this Bran, but I was rewatching your Caribert playthrough and I thought to myself that Caribert is supposed to be the loom of fate right. Now Chlotar wanted Caribert to weave his own destiny and Kaeya did get sent to Mondstadt to live his own life aka weaving his own destiny. So wild theory but I think Kaeya is the reincarnation of Caribert, Chlotar found a way to get rid of the curse and off himself, THEREFORE he probably found a way to bring back and change Caribert's appearance. Also the "one death in the afternoon drink" kinds led me to think all this
BTW Enjou's appearance wasn't of his true form or the form he had before he turned. His body was "constructed" or rather "disguised" as an Inazuman scholar to distribute any suspicions.
I was thinking... since forbidden knowledge is from the depths of the abyss and Rhukeddevatha had to erase herself from irminsul for it to "be completely removed"... ... but Kind Deshret wasn't forgotton, he wasn't erased from irminsul like rhukethevvatha was... and he may well have been 'contaminated' by forbidden knowledge. What if it didn't only contaminate him but altered him from irminsul instead, meaning he became a 'sinner' and not a god.
13:33 that relatable moment when you fall out with your friends and run away to join the end of the entire world club “IM RUNNING AWAY” “And where do you think you’re gonna go?” “THE ABYSS”
There might be another connection that's missed out regarding Nilou being an analogue for the Goddess of Flowers and Kaveh being an analogue for Deshret. If you look at Kaveh's kit, he is clearly meant to be played in a non-hyperbloom, non-burgeon, bloom comp. And which other character is so specifically focused on a pure Dendro-Hydro comp? Nilou.
I saw Ashikai pushing the Deshret/Kaveh connection. While there is some merit to this theory, Kaveh's, and Deshret's personalities are kind of nothing alike. Desret was this big brain genius, who played the long game, and was insanely clever, founded, and ruled a civilization (or two if he was king Irmin too). Kaveh cn't even figure out how to adult, without Alhaitham's help he would be living on the streets. He is was literally called an empath by Alhaitham. He is very sensitive, and makes decisions based on his emotions. Because of his selfless nature, people constantly take advantage of him, and he cn't even stand up for himself. How does Kaveh resembles Desret, the king of warriors, who was assertive, possessed unshakable will, and was a strong handed leader? In tje game Kaveh symbolizes human emotions, sensibility according to his character stories.
I still can’t buy kaeya’s dad is chlothar mostly because i find the manner of speech very different. It feels like a complete personality shift. We don’t know how involved kaeya is with the abyss order but if he isn’t actually allies with them then why did chlothar chose to leave kaeya behind, not raise him in the Order? Did he regret forming the Order? Did chlothar magically regained his sanity and wanted kaeya to grow up far away from the mess?
about Chlothar's wife, maybe she wasnt there when the curse was being placed. Maybe she died before the war or during the war, and chlothar preserved her dead body and later buried it in sumeru(where he tries to treat caribert).
20:10 I think this is completely true. If you watched the genshin impact teyvat chapter storyline preview, dain clearly says "defeat me. Command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than I to rescue her" at the end of video (which can also imply the end of our journey in teyvat). Meaning we wont side for celestia (or dain at the very least), which makes us an "ally" of abyss order, and the fight against dain is inevitable. But with that statement, we probably also wont side for abyss order since we have to rescue our twin.
Ashikai’s mention of the original sin is so cool considering now that we have the overture trailer and Fontaine being released in a couple weeks. the first line in the trailer is “the original sin is the fairest: everyone sinks”. now, im no theory crafter so id love to hear what the predictions are for Fontaine and how all of this will fall into affect.
My headcanon crack theory: the final fight will not be against the heavenly principles… against the abyss … abyss twin v the traveller … paimon will sacrifice her and the traveler will solo entire teyvat in a fit of rage..
I just realized something: based on this, if the twin travelled the lands before the other one and met the Aranara people, then that explains why they called the traveler "good nara" This means the other twin was not good or did something bad to them. I might be missing something from the quests lol but this just popped into my mind.
So the twins came to Teyvat before the 500 year marker and one lived with the Jester in Khaenri’ah before it fell and the other slept for another 500 years? So the twins are actually almost 1000 years old? I’ve always felt the 500 year time marker for everything to have happened in Teyvat was just not enough time. If this is true, then everything makes much more sense.
the twins could be older than 1000 years old. in a developer video regarding azhdaha's design, one developer mentions that "the traveller's life span is by no means short.'' it's been implied the traveller's are more than 1000 yrs old, especially if we go by the theory that the travellers were originally from teyvat. lumine's character card introduction reads '' the world you once knew is but dust, and the wonders you knew but rubble. though you should have your own world,---'', they are more than likely to be older than 1000 yrs old, if not in the 10 000+ yrs old.
If you look at stuff like for example the PS items, It talks about the twins watching stars being born and dying. They are *hella* old compared to anyone they've met on Teyvat, for yes also seeming to originally have been from Teyvat too.
10:05 this is also confirmed by the fact that abyss twin is so convinced that MC would help the aranara that they said that another golden nara would arrive
A fun thought I had, why not say that Caribert is like the first existence of a new being that has both the Primordial one and the Sinner powers to regrow the lost population of Khaeriah as regular mortal with no immortality and no Hurlichurl, AKA the loom of fate. Also relate to how the twin always talks about how they found a way to bring back Khaenriah, probably through Caribert's lineage. Maybe that's why Dain is not a fan of this idea, being a true Khaenrian and having this Frankenstein as the new Khaenriah is probably very offensive to him and wish to never bring back Khaenriah. The Abyss probably spent years struggling to win this war and somehow Kaeya ended up being the last surviving descendant of Caribert, thus why his dad said he's their last hope.
At this point Kaeya can be Caribert fused with that false god power for all we know. Caribert was young same age when kaya around monstat so what if he slept all those years while the power slowly swept his curse away or changed him into something else
Hmm I don’t think choice of VA is that coincidental. I don’t think it’s enough to disprove any theory about Kaeya and Caribert alone but I don’t think it should be completely dismissed either.
I don't think the Abyss and the Fatui will join sides in the end. I think they both are using different methods for the same thing, and when you think one is finished the other kicks into gear. We also know that Pierro also knows why Khaenri'ah fell while Edie didn't. Pierro claimed it was due to some action they did, likely using the sibling. The Abyss seems to heavily believe in the goals with the sibling while Pierro thought it was nearly heresy. It's hard to say exactly what will happen, but I think it's very likely we will be siding with the Fatui against the Abyss. This quest also showed that the Abyss and the sibling both believe in the idea of doing the task any way possible. The Fatui don't seem to think the same, their moto is more "if we won't then who will?" They both have a heavy desire for their goals, but the Fatui tend to be more tactful and only do what is necessary while the Abyss think any risk is worth the reward.
Even if Abyss Order and Tsaritsa/Fatui have a similar goal (overthrow Celestia), the effects are way different. Also, Abyss Order hates ALL gods (both Archons and Celestia), and Abyss is corruptive and toxic to nearly everything that isn't the Abyss. They will NOT work with Tsaritsa (especially since Tsaritsa was there in Khaenrian when it got destroyed), and Tsaritsa probably would inherently oppose the Abyss because it's toxic to her and her people.
@@RGA301092 yeah and again, the Abyss seem aligned with the original goals of Khaenri'ah while Pierro seemed to be disgusted by whatever he saw them planning. They clearly do not align. I do think Pierro is planning something completely out if character for the fatui, but I don't think it aligns remotely with the Abyss. Remember that all fatui have goals they're seeking and many go against the ideals of the others. As of right now we still have no idea what he wants other than his lines in the trailer suggesting defying the gods. If I had to make a guess, Pierro probably is a believer in the old Khaenri'an ideal of humans no longer needing gods similar to Keqing while the Abyss see them as in their way of power and knowledge. We also know the Abyss also seems fanatical over the sinner suggesting an innate desire for knowledge and power over all else. It would also align with the sustainers claims of leveling Khaenri'ah due to "the arrogation of mankind". Arrogation usually means a reckless or unwarranted claim of something. It also sounds like it could be that Khaenri'ah made or summoned the twins as the cataclysm happened only briefly afterwards. We still don't have a solid lead exactly what's happening and the issue of fabricated memories and history doesn't help.
i think it makes sense that everything ends up getting tied back to mondstadt because dont you think theres a reason why that was the first place we started with
I've been to hotels where they don't have a thirteenth floor, when I enter the elevator I noticed there was a 12th floor, and the button below it is 12.5 -- this was decades ago, I don't remember which hotel I stayed at but I didn't understand it at the time. But thinking back on it now, and the whole superstitious thing it made some sorta sense
I really wish that after the genshin story is done we get genshin but from the other twin's prospective including what happend 500 years ago and the time they spent with the original Archons because from Zhongli story quest we know that he has a contract with the other twin
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i dont think 3.5 was a memory of the past, more like you time travel to the past
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Personally I don’t watch Ashikai’s lore videos cause she considers every piece of info as a theory and not a fact which confuses me a lot. Yeah sure her videos are great but confusing to me. Personally I prefer Catwithbluehat, an extremely underrated lore channel that points out the facts and theories separately without mixing them up.
You can check his video on the archon quest. th-cam.com/video/NuCO-ZGrWU8/w-d-xo.html
It was never identified or confirmed to be Eldrick best More so his son and his wife When your voice actors don’t matter because usually an anime or games when a character grow up they intend on using a different voice actor
I think the sinner is Eldrick but future version the voice add up if u use a pc then edit the voice
I really appreciate the time between her uploading and you reacting to it. It's very respectful to give her video time to get viewed. Nicely done Bran
second this! so many creators are react Andy’s. it’s nice to see some understanding/support on here
@@Fathom_VTY’all judging people for reacting too soon? Ok
@@sparklight0964 no, it’s about letting the original creator get views/paid before another creator reacts and takes some of that viewership.
immediately reacting to an upload is intentionally trying to take a portion of the viewers.
For the VA of Kaeya's father, that was not "that" long ago. It was during the wine-event, where we learned about Razor's parents.
I don't think they'd change it that quickly. Also, even if EN dubs switch actors more freely, JP, and I assume CN as well, are very strict on keeping the same VA for the same characters.
I think Kaeya's father might be a grown-up Caribert, whose curse was broken.
The issue is how Kaeya recognizes Dain's eyes if his father was not full-blood either, but there are other ways he could have learned this information.
I like the idea, because Caribert's mother was from Mondstadt. So, adult Caribert dropping Kaeya off in Mondstadt to give him a happier life just... makes a lot more sense.
It also explains how Kaeya was able to grow up with Diluc, and age normally alongside him. He is probably not older than 22 (or, 25 now), unlike Caribert.
i just listened to the weinlesefest cutscene in all the languages and the EN and JP voices do sound like Clothar's JP and CN voice(they sound almost the same but i'm not sure if they are) but the KR and ENG one sound almost completely different
I thought the Mondstadt voice was Kaeya's adoptive dad
When Caribert disappeared for the second time, he left his scarf on a crate just outside the hut. Which is why everyone assumed that the corpse underneath the garden was Chlotar and because the corpse was *holding* (not tied) a scarf.
I also think that our abyss twin was the one who buried Chlotar because the traveler was able to recall it and decided to unearth the garden. Our abyss twin wouldn't just bury a random person along with a scarf that is important to Chlotar. Which is why I think it was the real Chlotar who was buried in the garden. It also cant be Caribert who was buried cuz Paimon said that it just normal skeletons and not a hilichurl's
After Caribert dies of cringe, Chlotar founded the Abyss Order as a proof of his faith to the Crystal. Died later on and was buried by our twin. Then our twin succeeded the role and continued the abyss order
Oh, and also during the quest Chlothar says at one point something along the lines of being very tired and wishing to just lay down in that field, which the Abyss Twin hears.
Ok also here is another brainrot theory of mine. It's weird that Chlotar, despite being cursed with immortality actually died. So I think that after he created abyss order, death was his reward from the Sinner, who is powerful enough to grant it to his followers, but such action is not something he can accomplish willy-nilly, therefore being granted confirmed death is the motivation, that pushes the former citizens of Khaenriah that roam the world just like Chlotar did, to join the abyss order, and work towards the Sinner's goal.
I have a theory that Dainsleif is actually a sword that only the Royalty can use. In mythology, dainsleif is a sword that is suppossed to kill somebody when it's unleashed. Maybe that's why our twin is upset because he couldn't do his duty and kill the "threat" or whatever to save Khaenri'ah. Clothar also didn't really recognize Dain when he saw our twin and him, maybe Dainsleif wasn't always in a human form for Alberichs to see.
everyone's waiting for dain's release banner and he's released as a 5 star weapon
@@pochiche6398i do wish he doesnt have a sword form and we are just swinging dainsleif model around
@@yuki97kira that'd be perfect
Hes the captain of the royal guards his men recognized him so this theory is highly unlikely
Have I watched these Ashikai videos already? Yes. Will I watch them again with Bran? Yes. Yes I will.
will I be mindblown again? also yes.
the curse was also sort of broken in the case of Halfdan, like Dain said he was not supposed to retain any consiousness but he did.
Yeah Dain suffers from erosion and he claimed that the fountain in the chasm shouldn't exist/didn't know it exists. I find Dain to be an unreliable narrator due to his memory or his own agenda.
I believe in the flashback he has before he sacrifices himself it implies that he recovered some memories after touching the inteyvat flowers the abyss sibling left behind
@@soulstealer5625 Wasn’t it said that the fountain and the surrounding architecture were the remnants of a civilization from before Khaenri’ah’s time?
@EnderHeart5911 so Dain claims the curse is incurable but the fountain is unknown to him and (spoilers for carabet), the curse is in fact curable given Clothar breaks it. Dain is just as flawed as anyone else.
@@soulstealer5625 Sorry, I thought you were insinuating that Dainsleif knew about the pool and forgot about it or that he purposefully kept it a secret to further his own goals. My mistake.
The Caribert quest really made me appreciate Paimon and her companionship in general. Being around a strange npc like Chlothar who was clearly unstable and growing increastingly unhinged was pure nightmare fuel for me and I was safe behind a screen....just imagine how the Traveler felt...
as for keaya
his family was very big
no reason for him to be directly decendant from chlotar more likely another member of the family
About the VAs at 23:20 The VAs are different in every language, so it would make sense.
Edit: He would have to start aging +-300-400 years (that's probably how old this quest is?) after this quest. He was shown as a children in the manga anyway. I think it's more likely that Clothar is his grand grand father or something. Also we don't know if Clothar had any siblings, so he might have been just an uncle.
Ashikai teaching more about real life history than my history class
9:51 Hey Bran! I wanna point out something interesting Ashiksi said here. Since it didn't matter which twin we play, the outcome will still be the same because they think so similarly; wouldn't that be the reason when choosing between two dialogue options, the response is still the same assuming if in situation the twins are together and pick both to complete each other sentences, it will make so much sense. Do you get what I mean?
Wow that's actually really cool! I like it alot!
Oh god..they finished each other's...SANDWICHES. But thatd still be so cool. Thats why the dialogue options doesnt change anything, it wasnt meant to change anything, it was just one twin picking up what the other wouldve said as well, since theyre not together
To instantly dismiss the VA notion of Kaeya's father seems shortsighted. Mihoyo has consistently used and teased things with the smallest of hints. They clearly pay a lot of attention to the details (Breathing in Dragonspine w/ either puppet) and VA's would fall into this category. Especially when it comes to the CN and JP dubs. They are very consistent. Reusing the Honkai VA's for their Genshin equivalent is another one of these cases. TeriTeri still voices Nahida and same for Yae and Mei. Its def good to question it as your right situations can change but barring some massive issue Hoyo will and does seem to go out of their way to get the VA's. Just my thoughts on this particular segment.
There's no real dismissing, it's a theory, all I meant was the fact that the VA is not the same after it's been possibly hundreds of years doesn't instantly discount the fact the theory could be upheld still, it could also be that it's just not the same person at all obviously, it's just a theory
@BranOnline Ahh ok, maybe I just misinterpreted your argument.
@@paragonnight437I thought it's Kaeya's adoptive dad who talked in weinlesefest
A GAME THEORY.
Made myself sad now 😢.
39:00 yeah its true, as an engineer, most buildings skip floor 13 ( sometimes 4,14, etc) beacuse its bad omen.
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Mushrooms tend to grow on dead things like life and dead tree bark, an interesting detail..
The odd mushrooms resemble the very near identical rukkhashava mushroom, closely related to the god of life and wisdom or consciousness and growth from death
My idea is that the odd mushrooms are normal rukkhashava mushrooms cultivated from the cursed energy of Eide’s wife buried in the field
The absorbed curse having a sort of anti-curse effect when concocted into medicine for Caribert similar to how you need snake venom to make an antivenom with a careful/natural dosage
So the combo of conscious energy, anti-curse and pure water/blessing is likely why Caribert was able to awaken from his inner coma
Also i would like to add that people confused VERY EASILY immortality with invulnerability.. being immortal, only means you don't die from sickness or age.. they can still be killed.
Otherwise it would still need to be full of people from kahenriha which is not. I don't remember if the games says that they cannot die even if you cut their heads or burn them.
Also nobody even noticed that the abyss herald and similar have armor ad a mask, so there could totally be a human inside it, we never saw one without mask.
I don't think the twins are clones, but I think they came from the same.
As in, they are both the same person, split in half. I think they might be Phanes, fragmented into two twins, but they are not aware of it themselves.
They are still their own individuals, but they were once the same.
Phanes still rules Celestia btw 2nd who came was the one whole lost
PHANES was the one who dropped the nails
if they're the same person split in two, then why would one half be considered an outlander and the other not? unless one half represents celestia and the other the abyss
Reminded me of rukkhadevata/kusanali..but true, maybe thats why irminsul have data on one and not the other
@@bengreene4972they came from outside when they were one, and the one who isnt an outlander was basically "born" in teyvat if they divided once theyre here?
Re: the voice actors, you would be surprised how seriously jp deals w the consistency of their VAs. So if Clothar's jp VA is not the voice we hear during weinlese, then it is likely not him.
I never thought Kaeya was Caribert that's why I don't understand where the theory even came from but during the time I was watching I changed mind a lot of times~ xD
But in the end, Kaeya being a descendant of the Alberich and not being Caribert makes more sense. Kaeya grew up with Diluc, even if we say that maybe Chlotar left him in Dawn Winery when Caribert became human again it doesn't fit the timeline, the memory happened 100 years ago or atleast that long ago before Chlotar became the founder of the Abyss Order, if Caribert became human that time, Diluc isn't alive by then....during that 100 years to the time that Kaeya was left in the Winery, what did he do? Did he just slept just like the Traveler? Also, to Hoyoverse's credit, they are faithful to details like VAs different for different characters and VAs being similar to proxy characters between Honkai and Genshin, suddenly overlooking that detail between Chlotar and Kaeya's father during the Wine Festival is very uncharacteristic for them.
Finally, someone who is not honed in kaeya-caribert theory! I don't subscribe to that theory for what you said also people tend to forget that clothar could very well have been from a different Alberich clan branch. Considering we have Pierro, who look like he could be an older version of kaeya. It does beg the question which Alberich family branch are they from. And if Pierro is also an Alberich
@@rinnies7474 yeah, it's not a far fetched idea or theory that Kaeya is from another branch of the Alberich family, also Dain already said Kaeya is a descendant, even if we have to be privy to all the info the characters are giving us, it's just so inconvenient to question everything.
Also, Kaeya's dad seems to hate Khae'nriah based on Kaeya's profile while Chlotar hates Celestia and the Gods, why try to heal the cursed Hilichurls at the same time hate the place they were born in specially that they're the reason why the country even fell in the first place.
@@ayashi6931 so that's how you interpret kaeya's father from his story. When I read it, I took it that he has hopes for kaeya and khanria'ah. He did say "you are our last hope" to little kaeya.
@@rinnies7474 I thought that as well but the description of how he looked towards the horizon where Khae'nriah is supposed to be tells me otherwise.
Maybe the place is not important, maybe it's the location Kaeya's father is angry about, I don't really know~
@@ayashi6931 that's an interesting point of observation and interpretation of the situation. I didn't take that into consideration when I was reading. Hmm, it's as you said, we really don't know which of the interpretation is correct or it could be both until much later :3c on a sidenote: it's been fun talking to someone about the difference in interpretation of media and theory respectfully. I had fun discussing with you :)
"You think Deshret would give off mad bottom energy too" I'M DEAD
Ashikai's lore video really sometimes answer our doubts and sometimes give rise to more questions (no offense)
I wholeheartedly don't believe Kaeya is Caribert.
My main counter to the whole Caribert is Kaeya idea is that it's stated that both Diluc and Kaeya grew up and AGED together. So if the events of the quest took place hundreds of years ago how could Kaeya have grew up and aged the same as Diluc. He would have to be hundreds of years older than Diluc and they would've have aged together.
THIS!
I think it means that Kaeya would have been Caribert as a child, broken the curse, been left at Mondstat, and then been able to age normally with Diluc. I don’t believe the theory either, I think it’s more likely he’s a descendant of Caribert. Because also… wouldn’t he have remembered this whole thing??
I generally find it really interesting that in We Will Be Reunited, the abyss twin blames Dain for "failing to prevent the destruction of Khaenri'ah" and letting its people down, in spite of the fact they were clearly travel companions after those events took place. I'm also leaning towards a situation where Dain revealed something he'd done to the abyss twin that puts more blame on him than he was thought to previously shoulder, like a Kaeya- Diluc situation as mentioned in the video.
Wasn't it you who theorized that Mondstadt would be the final battleground? Or was I thinking about somebody else?
Anyway, what if Kaeya is NOT Caribert, instead, is a vessel for the loom that was obtained by the Alberich BECAUSE of Caribert? What if it was an inheritance among members of the family, passed on from one member to the next generation?
What if they indeed were able to sever their ties to the curse, but because the one who carried the loom would suffer a fate worse than the curse, Kaeya's father chose to abandon him in Monds?
Or left him there as a safety, to conceal him from anyone who'd use the secret? It could be possible that the Alberich are likewise biding their time and one day will return for Kaeya to take what's been stored in him, to use him as fodder for their purpose, assuming they're nefarious enough.
If this is the case, then the final part of the story would be some mad dash to get to Kaeya first: Jester finds out of the truth, and he turns out to be the piece missing to be able to use all the gnoses, so the Harbingers race to Monds to capture him; the Abyss sibling and Order are there too, finally finding out about where the Loom is, or at the very least, the manual to make a loom that Kaeya isn't even aware of; Dain'd be there to stop them, Celestia would awake to destroy everything, the archons who wish to prevent another cataclysm, and then our Traveler who just wants to save everybody.
Would be some finale...
Big Brain Time! I love your reactions to Ashikai's lore videos.
Ngl the caribert quest made me cry it was sad to me especially because you could hear the pain in caribert’s voice and the fact his dad went crazy just trying to save him
At the end mind was just blown😅 Ashikai just manages to connect everything in a way i would have never even think about. Its quite incredible to be honest 😶
The way I was so convinced by this theory until the 4.7 archon quest-
Keaya = caribert doesn't make sense
Especially since if we think chlothar broke cariberts curse and now he's human
The timeline doesn't match up with keayas at all for example if caribert became a normal human with no immortality curse he'd be dead by now
And if he was immortal it wouldn't make sense since the immortality curse won't make you age if it did dainsleif would be a fucking wrinkly ass person and we know keaya literally GREW UP within diluc he can age he isn't cursed at all
Caribert quest was HUNDREDS OF YEARS old
I suddenly realise something, Caribert gone nuts when he saw his face doesn't make sense or match with his memory, and us the Traveler kinda got shocked when we realise we are not ourself and freaked out when we saw our sibling's face instead of our own face.
Aside from ambitions, identities, constellations, and Teyvat's laws, are their own faces somehow very important and can physically affect sentient beings on Teyvat as well?
Regarding the historical figures
Clotaire the 1st (Clothar) had his son Caribert with a woman named Ingonde
Ingonde is from Germany, and the mother of caribert in genshin is from mondstadt
This is the only link i found other than the things said in the video for now
It’s kinda tricky. But. At the end of the quest. When Chlotar was talking to the traveler after Caribert left he had the scarf on his arm.
I mean the Va’s do matter tho, we’ve seen many npc’s talk to us years after they were introduced tho, I mean look at Huffman, he’s had the same voice all these years since we met him in the Mondstadt archon quest and Diluc’s story quest, and he spoke to the traveler just recently in the TCG event and it’s the same voice, so had Clothar’s and Kaeya’s dad been the same person, the voices would’ve perfectly matched
I've been playing Honkai Star Rail lately and getting to know more about Honkai characters (since there are so many similar characters) and i noticed some of the archons and gods are heavily based on Honkai characters (Venti, Raiden, Asmoday aka the Heavenly Principles, and very likely Murata will be Himeko expy and Bronya will be the tsaritsa)
And just recently i found out Luocha is actually Otto Apocalypse. I am thinking Desheret/Irmin could be an Otto expy, which would explain why the twins look like him and might be related to him.
43:20 So at the end what we know that the reason of creating abyss order is because academia locked nahida up. So it was all academia's fault.
i really enjoy this kind of videos of yours. reacting to the theory and adding own's perspective/theory/speculation as well. two heads are better than one, they say. keep it up~
PS: Ashikai the gigachad lore archon ♥
A bit of correction on Ashikai's part, the twins were not separated by 500 years of time or space. If you read Character Story 1 on Traveler's profile, it says, and I quote: "The god took your only kin away, and you were sealed and cast into a deep slumber filled with nightmares..." Traveler really was just in a coma for 500 years, which is also the story they presented in the original closed beta, albeit in that version, our sibling gets impaled and chained up by Sustainer... which is interesting.
Ashikai's theories here are overall fascinating and make a lot of sense, though.
I am still curious as to why the gods destroyed Khaenri'ah, and I can't help but wonder if the Celestial Nails come into play, after what we learned from the Flower of Paradise Lost artifact set.
The Goddess of Flowers told King Deshret that the Seelies were envoys of Celestia, and that era is also talked about in the Tiara artifacts in order of Frost, Flame, Torrents, and Thunder. She says that Descenders came and caused "breakthroughs" that caused people to see things they shouldn't have, and the Heavenly Principles sent down the Celestial Nails to repair these "breakthroughs", destroying civilizations in the process. Look to the destroyed civilization of Sal Vindagnyr on Dragonspine, which fell because of a Celestial Nail. But wait, the scribe that Sal Vindagnyr had at the time was named Ukko, and there is a Frostarm Lawachurl on Dragonspine with a special top-of-the-screen health bar with the name Ukko. Hilichurls are recorded as having existed for thousands of years, and Sal Vindagnyr was destroyed thousands of years ago, before Barbatos became the Anemo Archon (I can explain my reasoning in depth if need be, but I don't wanna make this comment too long, especially since I need to get ready for work soon).
At the end of the Caribert quest, when Chlothar starts speaking to us as the Abyss Sibling, it starts to sound almost like he at least partially blames the Abyss Sibling for Khaenri'ah getting destroyed, and I wondered why. Well, if the Abyss Sibling came as a "Descender" before getting integrated into Irminsul, what if coming to Teyvat from the outside and integrating into Irminsul also adds your memories of the worlds beyond Teyvat into Irminsul's database, causing it to freak out from knowledge that shouldn't be in Teyvat? What if that's what causes "breakthroughs"? What if our Sibling inadvertently caused a "breakthrough" in Khaenri'ah and the Heavenly Principles responded by sending a Celestial Nail along with the Archons to try to contain the resulting damage?
Interesting 😮
Plus if the artifacts' reporting of the Goddess of Flowers' speech is to be believed, then there should be a third celestial nail somewhere in the desert region.....in Khaenri'ah?
@@worm2976 The thing is, if there is a Celestial Nail in Khaenri'ah, it's a separate one from the one that turned half of Sumeru into a desert because
1. That area was desert even before Khaenri'ah fell 500 years ago.
2. The circlet piece of the Golden Dreams artifact set states that the very first Celestial Nail that came to Teyvat landed in Sumeru, "burying tree and meadow under the flowing sands." Meaning it fell before the ones in Dragonspine and the Chasm.
I watched these on twitch vods just yesterday but I'll gladly watch these on YT again! Always interesting seeing your lore content Bran!
I’m pretty sure that the dead body is clothar because tbh the scarf would be the only way hoyo could identify a random npc since they all look alike
If Desheret is Solomon, then it fits why the Gods have names from the Ars Goetia (lesser key of solomon) book of demonology.
My theory about which twin is canonical: I think both of them are because teyvat is a samsara, that loops between the two twins
the abyss entrance is in mondstadt of course everything is connected to mondstadt in the end
This quest gave me about 1 billion questions and i immediately went to her recap video as i finished the quest to unmelt my brain hopefully and now i have only more brain melt.
Dane also had the title of the Boughkeeper and had access to Irminsul. I still feel Dane wiped Lumine from Irminsul, manipulated Lumine’s mind trying to control her by order of The Jester. Lumine and her twin are from off world and the potion, or magical spell she was under, came undone and she became a loose canon or unwitting asset.
ashikai is one of my favorite genshin theorists. nice to see one of my fav streamers react to her videos
39:10 my hometown does this! but it's skipping 4 more of 13, like we skipped 4, 14, 24, 34, you get the gist
@BranOnline calling me out @48:39 was not on my 2023 bingo card, but here we are, damn. Also incase anyone was wondering, my name is a mix of Hisoka from hunterxhunter and Soka from Avatar the last airbender
Absolutely based
Definitely weebs
yeah the new axe enemy is abyss exclusive, There have been a few enemies like that in the past, they eventually get a spot on the overworld, some abyss enemies were like that in the past as well.
20:10 exactly, been thinking of this for a while too, all these groups essentially want to take out celestia, they are going about it in a fairly evil way, but, I think we will have to work with them to fight off the bigger threat.
I really hope eventually, there will be another "khaenri'ah level event" that celestia tries to start, and we will have to stop it, alongside the abyss/fetui/archons/ maybe even the people from the nation.
I mean how cool would a avengers level team up be where you have a whole army of playable characters fighting against celestia in a war for the existence of Teyvat, THAT would be an epic finale.
also it makes me wonder if we will ever get a "11 harbingers" of the abyss, I mean we know so little about the organization, apart from a few key members, they could certainly be saving them for the bigger antagonists between the fetui and celestia. I hope eventually they do introduce some key important top level characters from the abyss. Since they could be all sorts of humanoid/monsters/ half and halfs, they could have some crazy designs.
a "soul" in Genshin might as well be the data of ones memories and personality
I said this in her video's comments: the "sinner" was NOT talking to the "Traveler" and I don't know why Ashikai assumes this. "It" was talking to Chlothar .... "Why do you bow down?" The traveler was NOT bowing down.
But what about the "sinner" bit then? If the crystal was talking to Chlothar, Chlothar would hear the "I am only a sinner" bit too, but when we bring this up, Chlothar throws a fit about the audacity of calling this true and proper god a sinner.
@@whistlegirl5726 There is no evidence he could hear the voice, in fact he seemed not to and "blanked out" while he bowed. He seems to be compelled to this action. There is no reason the sinner had to be addressing the MC. "The Sinner" in fact did not seem to be. It's just that the MC heard the conversation somehow. Just because the MC heard him does not mean "The Sinner" was addressing him.
@@FrederickSkinner 🤔 Come to think of it, could it be that the crystal guy wasn't talking to anyone in particular? Surely he would notice that the one he was talking to is out of it. Maybe we just walked in on a bit of a philosophical monologue. And then as soon as we asked a question, the voice stopped. Maybe the crystal guy never expected to be heard and talked to in the first place?
1:01:56 Ashikai refers here to Talmudic Midrashic literature; basically she makes references to the Hebrew Talmud
A lot of people are conviced that the theory: The Second Who Came lost to the war against the Primordial One, and banished Him to the depths of the Abyss and labaled him as a "Sinner". is true
Hi Bran. I found your video recently since I just get back to Genshin after stop playing the game after pulled for Venti in 1.0. Dont asked me why. hehe. I just watched this video and find your theory about everything comes back to mondstat is interesting. and I am here with couple of interesting topic to share with you. Hope you can read and think about it. It is a little bit too long thou. Sorry :D
Think about it
In mondstat, I think if I am not mistaken, it has the highest population of hilichurl, not the total amount but as area per spawn ratio since mondstat is quite small even if you take into account dragon spine, the area feels more populated.
There are a lot simpler reason why Hoyo made it like that which in game design perspective, Hilichurl is the most basic enemy and it suits the game progression to have people learn the combat using the most basic enemies.
However, maybe this is too stretch but if Hoyo really want mislead us on the whole world building and combat progression aspect, Khanreah maybe come from Mondstat all along.
Think again, Hilichurl is Khanreah cursed civilian. Where are they come from? definitely from Khanreah. So, if we ignore the fact that they are basic mob for combat progression aspect, it makes less sense if there are a lot of them in Mondstat and not somewhere else if let say they spread across the world. It also does not make sense that only in Mondstat that people there have a way to communicate with them, see their reaction and sort of having coexistence with Hilichurl.
Other thing is.... from all "DLC" area being release in Genshin, ie, Dragon spine, Desert, Enkonomiya, Chasm..... Dragonspine seems a little bit odd to include in the group. Why?
In all other area except Dragonspine, there are structures which really resemble Khanreah architecture thou they are not Khanreah. Which means, Khanreah is not there or we assume not from those places. However, in Dragonspine, not only we dont have that kind of structure, we also dont have underground section of the main map in Mondstat while other region all have underground city or civilisation of some sort (if you consider the pyramid underground part of 'Underground' area).
Which makes me wonder, what if Khanreah have been in Mondstat all along. Remember, the first cutscene and instances that the Twin watch us is when we are fighting monster in Mondstat which although it is not strong, imply that we are close to them. Considering if Khanreah is the main base for Abyss Order, the Twin can take a bit of walk or teleport to see us is not far fetch. Maybe Twin can just teleport to wherever place they want but it is possibility.
And.. the first instance we talk to Dains is in Mondstat. The interlude section comes after Liyue which if we consider chronologically, we should be in Liyue and meet Dains there to make sense in real world travelling timeline sense. But we go back to Mondstat and met him there instead.
It is interesting indeed. Maybe this all is far fetched as you say but it is interesting indeed.
The subtitles are insane...
Idk if you'll see this Bran, but I was rewatching your Caribert playthrough and I thought to myself that Caribert is supposed to be the loom of fate right. Now Chlotar wanted Caribert to weave his own destiny and Kaeya did get sent to Mondstadt to live his own life aka weaving his own destiny. So wild theory but I think Kaeya is the reincarnation of Caribert, Chlotar found a way to get rid of the curse and off himself, THEREFORE he probably found a way to bring back and change Caribert's appearance. Also the "one death in the afternoon drink" kinds led me to think all this
BTW Enjou's appearance wasn't of his true form or the form he had before he turned. His body was "constructed" or rather "disguised" as an Inazuman scholar to distribute any suspicions.
I was thinking... since forbidden knowledge is from the depths of the abyss and Rhukeddevatha had to erase herself from irminsul for it to "be completely removed"...
... but Kind Deshret wasn't forgotton, he wasn't erased from irminsul like rhukethevvatha was... and he may well have been 'contaminated' by forbidden knowledge. What if it didn't only contaminate him but altered him from irminsul instead, meaning he became a 'sinner' and not a god.
I've been missing this, gonna be a wild hour
13:33 that relatable moment when you fall out with your friends and run away to join the end of the entire world club
“IM RUNNING AWAY”
“And where do you think you’re gonna go?”
“THE ABYSS”
13:34 Lumine straightup hitting her 'Rebellious teenager' phase
I haven't seen this yet just want to try and share something I heard
Kaeya also mentions sinners in a voice line
There might be another connection that's missed out regarding Nilou being an analogue for the Goddess of Flowers and Kaveh being an analogue for Deshret. If you look at Kaveh's kit, he is clearly meant to be played in a non-hyperbloom, non-burgeon, bloom comp. And which other character is so specifically focused on a pure Dendro-Hydro comp? Nilou.
I was waiting for this let's gooooo🎉
Thank you for the great stream yesterday bran
I saw Ashikai pushing the Deshret/Kaveh connection. While there is some merit to this theory, Kaveh's, and Deshret's personalities are kind of nothing alike.
Desret was this big brain genius, who played the long game, and was insanely clever, founded, and ruled a civilization (or two if he was king Irmin too).
Kaveh cn't even figure out how to adult, without Alhaitham's help he would be living on the streets. He is was literally called an empath by Alhaitham. He is very sensitive, and makes decisions based on his emotions. Because of his selfless nature, people constantly take advantage of him, and he cn't even stand up for himself.
How does Kaveh resembles Desret, the king of warriors, who was assertive, possessed unshakable will, and was a strong handed leader?
In tje game Kaveh symbolizes human emotions, sensibility according to his character stories.
Plot twist: kaveh is the future grand sage
I still can’t buy kaeya’s dad is chlothar mostly because i find the manner of speech very different. It feels like a complete personality shift. We don’t know how involved kaeya is with the abyss order but if he isn’t actually allies with them then why did chlothar chose to leave kaeya behind, not raise him in the Order? Did he regret forming the Order? Did chlothar magically regained his sanity and wanted kaeya to grow up far away from the mess?
Same. I dont think kaeya is clothar's child. He was coo coo beyond coo coo. I feel like kaeya was born after that incident.
If anyone of you guys watched full metal alchemist brotherhood...the similarities with main villain is just too good.
Now that you mentioned it, it does 😅
So, theoretically, The Sinner could be the Darth Vader of Genshin Impact.
The chains locking the crystal is similar to Nahida’s chain on her breast and her ability as well.
Kayea is not Caribert you have to go through 50 loops so you can claim that it's the case.
Brans copium for Kaeya to be Caribert is crazy.
@@TNTboyz1997 Its just a fun theory lmao, more likely to be Chariberts son or nothing, but I like to enjoy making fun whacky theories
about Chlothar's wife, maybe she wasnt there when the curse was being placed. Maybe she died before the war or during the war, and chlothar preserved her dead body and later buried it in sumeru(where he tries to treat caribert).
20:10 I think this is completely true. If you watched the genshin impact teyvat chapter storyline preview, dain clearly says "defeat me. Command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than I to rescue her" at the end of video (which can also imply the end of our journey in teyvat). Meaning we wont side for celestia (or dain at the very least), which makes us an "ally" of abyss order, and the fight against dain is inevitable. But with that statement, we probably also wont side for abyss order since we have to rescue our twin.
Ashikai’s mention of the original sin is so cool considering now that we have the overture trailer and Fontaine being released in a couple weeks. the first line in the trailer is “the original sin is the fairest: everyone sinks”. now, im no theory crafter so id love to hear what the predictions are for Fontaine and how all of this will fall into affect.
Good thing I waited before watching Ashikai's video
My headcanon crack theory: the final fight will not be against the heavenly principles… against the abyss … abyss twin v the traveller … paimon will sacrifice her and the traveler will solo entire teyvat in a fit of rage..
I just realized something: based on this, if the twin travelled the lands before the other one and met the Aranara people, then that explains why they called the traveler "good nara"
This means the other twin was not good or did something bad to them.
I might be missing something from the quests lol but this just popped into my mind.
Invite Ashikai to your podcast might be a good idea.
Bijja means seed in Indian language 😊
It was confirmed that Aether is thee poster boy bc him on the cover of the game sells more , plus Aether means Abysslord or Void in some Cultures
Genshin lore fans are that meme of Charlie from Its Always Sunny with his connection board
this is so gonna be worth 1h of my time 👍👍👍
i couldnt stop smiling at the youtube subtitles. D Luke, Divine Laser Fest, hillytroll
So the twins came to Teyvat before the 500 year marker and one lived with the Jester in Khaenri’ah before it fell and the other slept for another 500 years? So the twins are actually almost 1000 years old? I’ve always felt the 500 year time marker for everything to have happened in Teyvat was just not enough time. If this is true, then everything makes much more sense.
the twins could be older than 1000 years old. in a developer video regarding azhdaha's design, one developer mentions that "the traveller's life span is by no means short.'' it's been implied the traveller's are more than 1000 yrs old, especially if we go by the theory that the travellers were originally from teyvat. lumine's character card introduction reads '' the world you once knew is but dust, and the wonders you knew but rubble. though you should have your own world,---'', they are more than likely to be older than 1000 yrs old, if not in the 10 000+ yrs old.
If you look at stuff like for example the PS items, It talks about the twins watching stars being born and dying. They are *hella* old compared to anyone they've met on Teyvat, for yes also seeming to originally have been from Teyvat too.
your Kaeya = Caribert theory is also my theory too
I expected Kaeya to be a noble, not a straight up Regent fam, damn
10:05 this is also confirmed by the fact that abyss twin is so convinced that MC would help the aranara that they said that another golden nara would arrive
59:45 this roast is CRAZY good 😂😂
A fun thought I had, why not say that Caribert is like the first existence of a new being that has both the Primordial one and the Sinner powers to regrow the lost population of Khaeriah as regular mortal with no immortality and no Hurlichurl, AKA the loom of fate. Also relate to how the twin always talks about how they found a way to bring back Khaenriah, probably through Caribert's lineage. Maybe that's why Dain is not a fan of this idea, being a true Khaenrian and having this Frankenstein as the new Khaenriah is probably very offensive to him and wish to never bring back Khaenriah. The Abyss probably spent years struggling to win this war and somehow Kaeya ended up being the last surviving descendant of Caribert, thus why his dad said he's their last hope.
At this point Kaeya can be Caribert fused with that false god power for all we know. Caribert was young same age when kaya around monstat so what if he slept all those years while the power slowly swept his curse away or changed him into something else
Hmm I don’t think choice of VA is that coincidental. I don’t think it’s enough to disprove any theory about Kaeya and Caribert alone but I don’t think it should be completely dismissed either.
I don't think the Abyss and the Fatui will join sides in the end. I think they both are using different methods for the same thing, and when you think one is finished the other kicks into gear. We also know that Pierro also knows why Khaenri'ah fell while Edie didn't. Pierro claimed it was due to some action they did, likely using the sibling. The Abyss seems to heavily believe in the goals with the sibling while Pierro thought it was nearly heresy.
It's hard to say exactly what will happen, but I think it's very likely we will be siding with the Fatui against the Abyss. This quest also showed that the Abyss and the sibling both believe in the idea of doing the task any way possible. The Fatui don't seem to think the same, their moto is more "if we won't then who will?" They both have a heavy desire for their goals, but the Fatui tend to be more tactful and only do what is necessary while the Abyss think any risk is worth the reward.
Even if Abyss Order and Tsaritsa/Fatui have a similar goal (overthrow Celestia), the effects are way different.
Also, Abyss Order hates ALL gods (both Archons and Celestia), and Abyss is corruptive and toxic to nearly everything that isn't the Abyss. They will NOT work with Tsaritsa (especially since Tsaritsa was there in Khaenrian when it got destroyed), and Tsaritsa probably would inherently oppose the Abyss because it's toxic to her and her people.
@@RGA301092 yeah and again, the Abyss seem aligned with the original goals of Khaenri'ah while Pierro seemed to be disgusted by whatever he saw them planning. They clearly do not align.
I do think Pierro is planning something completely out if character for the fatui, but I don't think it aligns remotely with the Abyss. Remember that all fatui have goals they're seeking and many go against the ideals of the others. As of right now we still have no idea what he wants other than his lines in the trailer suggesting defying the gods.
If I had to make a guess, Pierro probably is a believer in the old Khaenri'an ideal of humans no longer needing gods similar to Keqing while the Abyss see them as in their way of power and knowledge. We also know the Abyss also seems fanatical over the sinner suggesting an innate desire for knowledge and power over all else. It would also align with the sustainers claims of leveling Khaenri'ah due to "the arrogation of mankind". Arrogation usually means a reckless or unwarranted claim of something. It also sounds like it could be that Khaenri'ah made or summoned the twins as the cataclysm happened only briefly afterwards. We still don't have a solid lead exactly what's happening and the issue of fabricated memories and history doesn't help.
1:12:00 "Mad bottom energy."
i think it makes sense that everything ends up getting tied back to mondstadt because dont you think theres a reason why that was the first place we started with
I've been to hotels where they don't have a thirteenth floor, when I enter the elevator I noticed there was a 12th floor, and the button below it is 12.5 -- this was decades ago, I don't remember which hotel I stayed at but I didn't understand it at the time. But thinking back on it now, and the whole superstitious thing it made some sorta sense
The voice was talking to Eide aka Chlotar we just happen to intercept the conversation
is no one gonna talk about how the video is exactly 1:23:45 long
I really wish that after the genshin story is done we get genshin but from the other twin's prospective including what happend 500 years ago and the time they spent with the original Archons because from Zhongli story quest we know that he has a contract with the other twin
I watch Ashikai lore analysis too and it's actually nit a crazy theory. It may be true for all we know