TRUE ZENOIRAN DIFFICULTY! Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- True Zenoiran Difficulty is a harder setting beyond Expert mode. It has a few features that make it a little harder than expert mode but overall I find it needs to be made harder.
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Can indeed confirm that True zenoiran can be unlocked in any difficulty, i even (accidentally) spent the entire game on story, finished it and unlocked it
lol how can you not realized that, game is way too easy played on story
@@rail7646 i have genuinely no idea, even played the demo on expert (so i even had a reference point) lol
My gripe with expert difficulty is that it's kind of like hard on FE. It's difficult enough that you can appreciate what could be optimized but ultimately you can just brute force through it. It makes winning feel slightly unearned because I know that there was still damage on the table if I just optimized my tactics a little bit more. And if I built my teams more optimally. But the game didn't require that I play to that level to win. And perhaps the game should require that, after all why build all these complex systems if there is no need to push them to the brink. Nevertheless glad that true zenoiran is real and at least a little harder.
I think they ran out of time and money. They cut it Loose because they didn't have any more time to give it. So it ends up being fun, but not very hard for the tactically minded
@@buddylord3020 I don't know if you played 13 sentinels (their other game), but it also wasn't very hard. Part of me wonders whether this is just their philosophy. Hopefully they see the feedback though and patch it. All hope is not lost. No one was really complaining at the time about 13 sentinels so there was no chance of it changing.
I’ll be honest many of the much harder fire emblem difficulties past hard kinda blow. Yes they’re harder but not in a good way. Super interest in this so I’ll try it out to see how decent it is.
@@MFillmoretheir normal style of games is actually side scrolling dungeon crawlers so the past two games have been something completely different. You basically take the art style of this game, put you in direct control of Alain and have him fight through a stage left to right. Odin Sphere, Muramasa, and Dragons Crown were much better games than 13. 13 was just unique and refreshing. In the case of Muramasa-The Demon Blade, it's hardest difficulty gives you 1 HP.
@@goofydufus that's my guess. But that's the point of an extra difficulty
Your idea on economics, while it’s the first step many developers go to, it would be much easier to go the “tax” route where you increase or decrease the cost by a percentage amount depending on the amount of money the players has. That way certain items would be costly regardless of income. Also having a fixed amount of purchases is good too
First off thank you for explaining this in a spoiler free format bc I just started and this is really great to look fwd to
Second I think your assessments are soo spot on, and I think enemy gear plays a role in how easy battles can really be
My one gripe with this game is the difficulty is way too easy. However I think there needs to be more profound changes than just buffing enemies and going nuclear against your tactical arsenal.
Difficulty is trivialized if you have high initiative to one shot enemies before they can even do damage.
well that's pretty much how every strategy game goes. Kill them before they can do anything
Yeah that's most of the issue. The game is very generous on busted items that allow tactics to one shot everything before they play a bit too accessible.
I think the true difficulty would come from very low amount of maps cleared like doing only story missions and 0 side quests
Static stuff such as ballista and catapult or enemy Valor skill may make you think again
@@tanphamnhat969 Eh, a flying unit with a light feather or equivalent valor skill can just rush a ballista and catapults cant hit shit.
How do you still have fun if you’ve optimized the game so that there is no challenge and you rush through it with super units?
I rarely use items anyway
I figured as much. Given what I saw from the 'true' coliseum fights, it seems to me the only way they make the game harder is by buffing enemy units. My True Zenorian comp at endgame is Big Lady, Alain, Renault, Clive, and Sharon. They are the only team I've put together (3 out of the 5 are debuff immune, other two stun immune) that can nearly consistently beat the final coliseum fight and the all angel tank squad (think it's #10?) that are the hardest fights in the game IMO.
Also the sellsword summoned units are weaker in the True Zenorian difficulty
Stat-wise or relative to the enemies? Enemies have more HP/Damage as far as I know
@@IcedCoffeeGaming relative to the enemies
Honestly, I was hoping that they would give enemies better equipment instead of just steel equipment.
How is the difficulty jump from story mode to expert mode? I considered to just jumped into true zenorian mode if expert still considered to be easy.
You seem pretty down about the fact that the hardest difficulty is easy lol.
Tbh it isn't that much harder. The only time I remember I need to use that many items per battle is trying to cheese content that's 10,20lvl higher. Not to mention never losing a whole square before and 10, 20% stats boost isn't noticeable for enemies since they get one shot by good team comp most of the time.
I don't think they got to the development stage where they were going to make things hard. The CEO was using his own personal funds at the end of development. I think they just made it to be fun, and cut it loose
So brute force is the way lol. Well no wonder it never got into the satisfiaction level of playing FE. This just how I felt with musou game. It is fun but still miss something.
the thing about comps is what i really wanna see; if they made it so most squads running around the maps are built in such a way as they are in the coliseum, with actual strategies set up in them. seeing that kind of juice as standard fare in maps with everything this difficulty does would be a real nice step in the right direction
Yeah I'm excited for modders to get ahold of this game and make an actual challenging mode and not just crank up general stats and call it a day.
Hoping for more class guides from you. So many classes have yet to be talked about.
I'm loving the game but, I agree that it needs to be more difficult. Instead of just more difficulties levels however, I think the game would really benefit from "difficulty/gameplay modifiers" like the "XCOM:The Second Wave" menu and similar systems. That way, players can tweak the game for things that are more challenging/fun to them (harsher economy, limited XP, etc). In my case, I would make it so ally units automatically rest when they hit 0 stamina since, I think it's broken that your units can fight endlessly even if their not moving. These settings would also make the game a lot more re-playable since one could make many different custom runs, like your recent homeless and divorced Engage playthrough for example.
Actually really practical and good idea
It would be cool that add it eventually if they can afford it. But if vanillaware survives period it would be great already lol.
The issue with the game is that the game can be very hard or extremely easy depending on how much you use the tools to your advantage. There's so much that can make the game easier but some players might miss it entirely.
I feel the stamina system is very flawed across the board, I kind of like it on paper but I feel it wasn't the best way to handle it. Maybe have stamina being a resource per unit spent on action instead or something like that. In low difficulties stamina is trivial and in higher it barely starts to be an inconvenience but you can still heavily avoid the issue unless you're going for speed run pace.
Probably because Engage boring grifter.
Don't you just hate how the modern gaming industry has devs scared of making their games hard. Hopefully they'll just wait a couple few weeks for the game to sell well enough and then give us some real endgame content like they did with Dragon's Crown.
Im about 50% of the way through my playthrough and only time ive lost a unit so far is some magic mines in the woods i didnt pay attention to.
Glad the items are nerfd, definitely trivializing to have access to so many items (the droughts in particular feel cheesey to use). So that change alone should make a few stages more of a challenge.
And ya the enemy team comps need to be like what we fight in the coliseum rather than "more health more damage mor units"
I was against using archers, but a particular colosseum battle was impossible for me to beat with my setup until I leveled up a shieldshooter to take out the problem. The game needs more of that.
@courve coliseum level difficulty would be so cool as an endgame.mode. It's exactly what games need like this need. It's like in pokemon games (the old ones anyways) where you would do battle tower or whatever and actually play against NPCs who have a brain.
So ya just the fact they have those types of enemy units in the game... why not more of that in the story mode/campaign
I mean, you can't really use sellswords to beat impossibility high level stages anymore since you would only have 2 valor points to summon. Pretty sure the economy doesn't work out.
Also, making stuff more expensive only means you will grind the infinite stages more for money (if you really wanted money).
I've seen guys just bring in one character, and then summon two sell swords on the boss and then clean up
@@donniecupples6721 It's possible for that one level 40 stage, I guess. It's not possible for the stage Unicorn Overlord since you need to kill 3 mini-bosses beforehand.
But the limiting factor of 5 item still makes a huge difference there since you would have to spend 1-2 items to block the enemy attack on your base, 1 to speed up yourself, then 1 to increase exp gain so you can push your teams into the mid 30ies (if you're doing it at around level 11-15). That only leave you with 1-2 item in case something goes wrong (unless you restart the stage, maybe?), so the 5 item as well as the lack of valor points is still very much a limiting factor.
I don't think it's a real problem that "x only means you will grind more".
Fine, make the game really hard and give the player the option of grinding as a release valve. The problem as it stands is that merely wanting to experience most of the game's content *at all* makes economy and the game overall very easy.
The time limit is precisely one of the incentives that push the player to just deploy uber squads and just rolfstomp every map. I suddenly can't make a slow push with infantry units and maybe sacrifice / heavily damage some because everything is immediatly put in two categories (optimal and not optimal) just by virtue of the limit itself.
@@winghong3 In my opinion, if anything garrisons are too slow for healing. They "tick" each 15 seconds or so. And heal for about 4-6 HP. A unit with 40 hp would need 10 ticks to be back in shape, and that is not considering walking time. This is too little considering the time limit for most of the battles, and thus your only real options are items or valor skills.
Ultimately, apart from items and skills, here is not a good come-back mechanism for a unit that takes heavy damage.
Now, imagine instead that there's no time limit, but enemy squads take about 3 combats to take out, and there is more and more varied enemy squads overall. And of course the reinforcement mechanic is still in place.
I find that experience would be overall more tactical and satisfying.
@@diegoakadisciple8336 sounds a lot like playing Ogre Battle
@@diegoakadisciple8336 They tick heal on a percentage, probably 15-20% so you have to hold them for multiple ticks to get to full HP if they were very low.
one question I have do they have infinite grind in available in this mode cause if so it really makes the threat non existent.
That's a great question I would like to know as well. You could just do the aux mission 10x in a row and then give all the books to one main team and then brute force your way through the game.
There's infinite grind? @donniecupples6721
Which aux mission?@@donniecupples6721
Ah there it is. I felt like the main thing this game was missing in my playthrough is some kind of perma-death or injury mode to promote character rotation considering they give you access to SO many free new characters throughout the game. I mean, in both FE and Ogre Battle there are a lot of characters but also a permadeath to make having so many make sense.
Do this dificulty but try to recruit every single character in the game, especially the post game content
I thought this game doesn't have any post game content?
@@unrealsimon93 it has one post game mission where you get like 6 more recruits during the mission. Thats about it. I really hope they figure out a way to make a new game+
@@wonderpoof7743 yeah, no NG+ and no post game content, very strange decision.
@@unrealsimon93 What even is "post-game" content in a single player RPG without any kind of persistent online world or DLC planned?
Do you want to manage the towns you liberate and rebuild like this is a medieval sim-city? The evil armies are defeated and the land is saved. The whole point of the game is to get to that point. If you want more, play the game again.
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe plenty of single player RPGs have "post-game". It is basically contents you unlock after beating the story where you get to fight the hardest enemies with the best equipment unlocked.
Ive unlocked it but how do I do it? When I start a new game there's no difficulty choice option.
So, we have our Corne Ash become Aum staff, interesting.
They should have added new enemy unit combinations
I'm surprised to learn it does't actually have permadeath, since you can use use the corn ash item to bring them back. That actually makes it more appealing, though, since you'll still have some kind of safety net. Probably the closest equivalent would be Maddening/Classic on FE w/ the time rewind mechanic.
Because permadeath is dumb.
@@JayceCH. It's fun. Makes you actually think about what you're doing instead of bashing action figures together.
@@yurisonovab3892 Not good for people with OCD though that INSIST on seeing the game to the end. The anxiety is off the charts.
@@goofydufus I'm not suggesting it be mandatory
@@yurisonovab3892 I get it. I'm a completionist platinum hunter and it bothers me when I can't see a game to its end. I know, it's a "me" problem, but still. Lol.
They showed us in the coliseum they are quite capable of making brutal teams. They definitely need to sprinkle in a few rough units here and there, depending on the battle.
There also should be more 'traps' mid battle where the game springs units on you and punishes you for being careless. Like OB64 does.
Brutal teams? I finished the coliseum level 33 Vs level 50. I mean...
They aren't exactly optimal teams in the slightest. They have cute gimmicks but nothing too hard. Only the very last fight surprised me a bit but you can still win easily since you only need to deal more% health than you lose.
@@sombrego2260 You can beat them in the coliseum because you have full control over who you use to fight with. Using their more developed strategies in actual missions means that you have to field multiple units against multiple strategies on multiple fronts. And that sounds great to me.
@@yurisonovab3892 I finished the colosseum at level 18 on Expert difficulty. Assuming equal level, they won't stand a chance against a well-built team even if your team isn't optimized to specifically counter them. But yeah, that would've been a step in the right direction, at least.
I was just about to google it. Yeah it's sad you can't do this on the first run.
Early game not really much a difference besides NEEDING the better comps,
Bastorias and its latter half as well as albion are proving to be far more challenging than anticipated. Im there at about level 23-29 when the battles are late lv 20s and 30+ and my teams need to level grind FORSURE
It may be time to bust out the 16 life fruit ive saved up this run, dealing with freezeproof units or the squad with blindness immunity when I have cheese builds was a satisfying thing to encounter!
Be ready to go 'why doesn't this work? Crap.' 😂
I was playing under Classic Fire Emblem rules with permadeath up until I hit the Colosseum. Grinding out coins made it stupidly easy to get dews and over power units. When I realized my flier unit could easily whip units up to lvl25, I decided to open the map to Bastoria. There I solo'd the sigil map with the same unit a couple times and now the fliers were 25 themselves. So I decided to try the level 38 map by the capital. Solo'd it. Then I just did all of those high level maps with the one unit. Lots of the story maps are difficult to solo just due to time constraint, so I'm using two units. But the point is, the moment I had free access to dews, the game got stupid easy.
No new game+ or postgame?
And it is still level cap on 50?
There is post game. And no ng+ since everything can be collected in one playthrough
@@tarotaro6933but can you get everything in infinite amount? I doubt it?
There's so many cool items you get only one or two copies of.
I was kind of hoping for a ng+ where everybody is scaled at max level from the start.
I was honestly really disappointed by the expert difficulty and from you tell in this video it's still not much better which is a huge shame...
Can you switch to expert at the end to get True Zenorian? I didn’t know “normal” would be so easy.
Oh my god i was joking but can you actually beat the game with just summoned mercs
If you played fire emblem hard you can jump on expert.
You might be the first streamer who got this difficulty.
@@roboky0408Geo went straight to the boss and beat him, so his TZ playthrough is his first time seeing the story content.
Are the auxiliary missions still there?
Yes
neat
It’s because Timerras sister is in this 👩🏽
If the devs are smart, they'll take the data people are putting into the online coliseum mode to inform what the stomp squads are and how those squads are countered. It reminds me of Elden Ring where the game was just so filled with shit that if you knew what you were doing and had the right stuff the game was a joke at launch.
Seeking confirmation is it defeated characters can't be redeployed, or the unit it's self, like let's say, lex died, but the archer in his squad survived, (somehow?) is lex still gone in the next chapter? i noticed units only give a 'death quote' if all the people in it fall.
have you watched the vid ? he already did say that the entire unit has to be defeated to not be able to be redeployed
This game is laughably easy and that's sad....and it's not as long has i hoped, with the art style I was hoping it would be a much longer game