I went into a match (coop) and was like: well you keep talking about tds having copied tb, but i have no idea which td was first That was 2 years ago And they said: well tb was first and tds copied a lot of stuff I just got into td games btw and started with tds (february 2022) weird time to play td games if u didnt know what was going on
verdict for anyone who goes, "not watching allat" OG TDS - yeah, it was a school project, below literally asked planet if he could copy the game for it, even the 2019 - 2020 of the developers at the time BeefChoplets and BiscuitTurtleKid, were contributors to Tower Battles in the 2017 - 2019 Halloween and Christmas/Winter events. New TDS - no not really anymore edit: DEAR HANDLEISLOL, after 30 minutes of looking here you go, found the video th-cam.com/video/YJrX5IL5Kcc/w-d-xo.html
if tds copied tower battles then tdx copied TDS worse, because it was never a school project, slammer is just sledger, so anyone saying brawler copied slammer is just saying tds copied itself
Tdx and tds are too friendly to eachother enough to create a collab. Also youtubers looking it as a good idea. But not communities are just proof our society is damned @@Toxicated078
I am not mad or anything I am just have a problem with this comment disrespecting the Tower Battles community when they are right about somethings. Yeah the guy said tower heroes won't be affected by it anyway is right but the thing is TDS didn't just copy a minigunner, a soldier and a tank.... They copied Phaser and some Zombie models that even the graveyard when we heard about it in TDS new update made TDS's own Developers or Admins say bad things about it and they kept going at it even the golden towers idea and event towers got copied but the thing is that TDS kept looking funnier to players so they played it but.... Let's be honest Tower Battles was already being killed but TDS just pushed it's death even more by making Planet3arth not get any motivation to continue making updates for his game cause TDS will just steal it and get more players again then shadow Tower Battles so why not just spend his time on real life and community of the game for new players instead of older players? The game doesn't have a lot of game passes to get money from anyway. Even the Revenant which is the last event boss which he worked hard alone without a team on making it's fight look cool to get some attention even the name about it coming back with the same abilities as Frosty makes it's story look better for the name then it just got stolen but changed the looks a bit to not make the heat of TDS stealing stuff from Tower Battles get even stronger once again that fast. When will people stop disrespecting other people's work when they took so much time without a team in making these things then at the end it gets stolen?
I love how 0cult talks about the tds copying tb drama for like 2 minutes to just talk about the monetization of the game and how paradoxum is so greedy lol
I love how the video even before the half of it quickly changes the topic to "Is TDS greedy?" Also to stick to the actual topic, TDS obviously got a lot of concepts and designs from TB.
im so glad to see SOME people call them out on this shit, i legit felt like the only person who was willing to see the bullshit of this fraction of a game it used to be
I very much appreciate the bridging that tds is doing to be more independent and less influential of their source influence, nonetheless there will always be a shadow of tower battles
They should make all event towers go for gems but everyone who owns the badge gets a special skin and everyone who owns the gamepass gets another skin and everyone who got exe when it was an event keeps the skin, You can also bye them for 1k robux each
It does kind of upset me how many people still keep trashing on TDS as copying tower battles, especially in the TDX community due to John's toxicity against the game. There's no denial the game was literally just a tower battles clone in 2019, but currently the games are vastly different due to TDS devloping a completely unique style that is nothing like tower battles.
as someone whos played tower battles wince 2018, i've never really been one to call tds a copy og tb, i think it's pretty easy to see that the towers are just guys with guns and thats not the most original thing ever. really, the only thing i'd even remotely still call a "copy" is the commander (which i might get into at a future date), but yeah, based video, you've earned a sub
there is a huge diffirence between inspiration and copy, also without TDS John roblox wouldn't get inspired to make TDX so there wouldn't be TDX x Tower Battles collab Also tower battles doesn't own idea of a commander, guy with a minigun and mortar XD, you and other TB fans are just salty that the game is not as big as it used to be without TDS many other great roblox TD games would never exist, Doomspire Defense, Tower Blitz and previoisly mentioned TDX were all inspired by TDS ,,you can't copyright an idea, you can only copyright an execution of the idea" also implying that some towers are similiar is just nitpicking at this point, the only one that is really similiar is the commander, entire rest has major diffirences, before you will say ,,em actually minigunner and commndo are the same" then sorry bro but this concept is extremly basic, its just a fast firing tower and thats it, literally anyone can make it in 5 seconds when it comes to more unique towers: railgunner compared to ranger? Yea heavily diffirent, the only thing that makes them similiar is that they use a railgun and they deal high damage, homever ranger also buffs range of nearby towers and does splash damage, freeze compared to cryo is heavily diffirent, freezer fires in bursts (before you say its a copy of sleether, Below probally forgot that this tower even exists in tower battles) and need to hit enemies multiple times to freeze, also he has an ice grenade (before you will bring ZED and mecha base to the argument, mecha base is not released yet and it will definitly get reworked before being avaible to the public), even commander has diffirences, in TB commander sends only 1 APC that just rams into enemies, while in TDS commander summons 3 APCs, with them 2 of them being armed with gun and 1 being armed with rocket launcher Not like towers even looks similiar, implying your logic of TDS copying tower battles you are implying this to tower blitz, doomspire defense and TDX to becouse they all have similiar tower concepts your entire argument is just ,,they copied this tower" with no proper proof, and harrasing BelowNatural back in 2020 becouse of ,,copying" is immoral and just shows that you and (some) other TB fans are just salty that TDS is more popular true example of copying was that one skibi toilet game that 1 to 1 copied TDX's UI and lobby and TDS's UI yes TDS was similiar back in 2019 homever you cannot just jugde TDS by what it was 5 YEARS AGO, roblox community really needs to understand a diffirence between copy and inspiration 🤦♂
I honestly got bored of TDS and moved over to tower battles. I’m like level 250 in TDS, got all the towers, and beat every mode, and now there is literally nothing to do. Tower battles pvp is fun and every game is unique depending on the opponent to keep it interesting and I honestly prefer the designs and models of tower battles to TDS by far. I honestly don’t like the generic military theme TDS is going for recently and miss the simplistic goofy Roblox designs.
@@ramyadalwasif2527 i dont think john would buy tower battles, he wants to keep it's legacy, no changes. also apparently there will be tdx skins coming to tb. john said there will so IDK
@@leonardotrujillo8661nah, so much of their game is still built upon it. Wether it be game mechanics, countless copied towers, enemies, and wave layout.
@@marri0nz ofcause average 2021/2022/2023/2024 Tds players try to twist the truth lmfao, Ur pathetic af. Also don't even start with my pfp Just makes you even more pathetic.
Old tds:Below saw The New sauce, that Planet earth created and Took its place. New tds:its a different type of game. The only thing you'll see some similarities is the map.💀
Money hungry...I think people forgot that roblox basically took 70% of the developers profit whenever a user buy something in tds using robux. If theres an another reality where roblox was as Compassionate like before, then you could have seen 4 big update per week from tds.
ok but have you guys actually tried to complete a double major in collage AND make a game saying that planet is lazy just cause he didint want to make a TD game on roblox a platform that famously pays their developers basically nothing saying that hes lazy is just unfair
Bro doesnt mention tdx much or not at all and yet comments yap how tdx fell off and tds is the epitome of the best tower defense games Shows what tds community is like Great video 0clut❤
Tbh Tower Battles is the first tower defense game after which tower defense games were start popping up and every one used the same towers But with Different Features And thats not copying its called getting inspired And Tds I agree is not a money Hungry Game Becuase Roblox Dont really pay well to its Game dev And Tds Also gives a alternate method to get those items for free :)
I do gotta say that there such a thing as inspiration 0clut but you never think of that even if your like a very small youtuber 4:47 also tdx is more ptw with one mechanic that is better than tds mechanic the amount of power ups you got 1 that solos a whole boss another one where it Destoryed enemies and the list goes on and tds made support type ability’s meanwhile tdx made attack type. You gte where I’m coming from tdx is more ptw if you look at it and not to mention that the best towers like g juggernaut is 85k and you gte get g minigunner for 50k and tdx has a warship and if you can’t bother to grind it then ptw
for the tdx stans claiming your game is "less money hungry" look at warship and XWM. Also the owner of TDX has his very popular youtube channel which makes (around) a million+ a year which surely helps fund his game. AND they've planned everything for 2 years so don't go around saying "tdx is sigma" they're the same as TDS, if not worse.
Forget everything I said, Mako DJ ruined it for me
I still remember a few years ago when every lobby in tower battles would flame any tds fan to exist
I went into a match (coop) and was like: well you keep talking about tds having copied tb, but i have no idea which td was first
That was 2 years ago
And they said: well tb was first and tds copied a lot of stuff
I just got into td games btw and started with tds (february 2022) weird time to play td games if u didnt know what was going on
verdict for anyone who goes, "not watching allat"
OG TDS - yeah, it was a school project, below literally asked planet if he could copy the game for it, even the 2019 - 2020 of the developers at the time BeefChoplets and BiscuitTurtleKid, were contributors to Tower Battles in the 2017 - 2019 Halloween and Christmas/Winter events.
New TDS - no not really anymore
edit: DEAR HANDLEISLOL, after 30 minutes of looking here you go, found the video
th-cam.com/video/YJrX5IL5Kcc/w-d-xo.html
if tds copied tower battles then tdx copied TDS worse, because it was never a school project, slammer is just sledger, so anyone saying brawler copied slammer is just saying tds copied itself
@@Toxicated078it was probably John’s ideas tho
@@Toxicated078slammer IS NOT EVEN SIMILAR to sledger
@@EthanYZXbetter argument. THE TWO BARELY HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON
Tdx and tds are too friendly to eachother enough to create a collab. Also youtubers looking it as a good idea. But not communities are just proof our society is damned @@Toxicated078
“Japanese soldier who kept fighting” ahh video😭🙏
Well I gotta post SOMETHING
0clut has my blessing for the concept of this video ❤
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bro is learning for you
Omg remi tdx omg !!
Oil Up
Planet earth got a job, he wasnt slacking around
Early tds had alot of "copied" ideas from tb, but when time progresses tds branches off of that concept and create original content
yeah
Commanders rework:
7:50 THE FANUM CRATE 🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣‼️
“Guys every tower defense game copied military cuz they used guns” 😡😡😡
clown 🤡
why with angry face tho
not tower heroes 😂😂🙏
Real
I am not mad or anything I am just have a problem with this comment disrespecting the Tower Battles community when they are right about somethings.
Yeah the guy said tower heroes won't be affected by it anyway is right but the thing is TDS didn't just copy a minigunner, a soldier and a tank....
They copied Phaser and some Zombie models that even the graveyard when we heard about it in TDS new update made TDS's own Developers or Admins say bad things about it and they kept going at it even the golden towers idea and event towers got copied but the thing is that TDS kept looking funnier to players so they played it but....
Let's be honest Tower Battles was already being killed but TDS just pushed it's death even more by making Planet3arth not get any motivation to continue making updates for his game cause TDS will just steal it and get more players again then shadow Tower Battles so why not just spend his time on real life and community of the game for new players instead of older players?
The game doesn't have a lot of game passes to get money from anyway.
Even the Revenant which is the last event boss which he worked hard alone without a team on making it's fight look cool to get some attention even the name about it coming back with the same abilities as Frosty makes it's story look better for the name then it just got stolen but changed the looks a bit to not make the heat of TDS stealing stuff from Tower Battles get even stronger once again that fast.
When will people stop disrespecting other people's work when they took so much time without a team in making these things then at the end it gets stolen?
the Japanese soldier who fought 27 years after WW2
I love how 0cult talks about the tds copying tb drama for like 2 minutes to just talk about the monetization of the game and how paradoxum is so greedy lol
2 videos in the span of a month we are so blessed
"Play tower battles and take a shot for everything that reminds you of TDS" And he then proceeds to show the TDX x TB event.
I love how the video even before the half of it quickly changes the topic to "Is TDS greedy?"
Also to stick to the actual topic, TDS obviously got a lot of concepts and designs from TB.
TONS of td games on roblox originated from tb because tb was the first big td game on roblox
im so glad to see SOME people call them out on this shit, i legit felt like the only person who was willing to see the bullshit of this fraction of a game it used to be
This is crazy cuz the fallen revamp is something i would call original and the new hidden wave is now not just wave 0000000
fun fact when tds came out i was school project and below remade all the zombies from tower battles and wave structure etc (with planet's permission)
You mean it
Without planets permission.planet gave him the assets for a school project and didn't like the fact that he released it as a game.
Lie. Your twisting the actual truth.
I very much appreciate the bridging that tds is doing to be more independent and less influential of their source influence, nonetheless there will always be a shadow of tower battles
at first tds did (welp tb was one of the first td games), but now you cant tell that, tds became quite original
im actually a subway sandwich artist & i’d be pretty fukkin shitty
also you gotta remember that roblox takes a lot of their robux, so even if the gamepass is expensive they still dont get much from it
They should make all event towers go for gems but everyone who owns the badge gets a special skin and everyone who owns the gamepass gets another skin and everyone who got exe when it was an event keeps the skin,
You can also bye them for 1k robux each
How did he just argue with himself for 12 minutes
It does kind of upset me how many people still keep trashing on TDS as copying tower battles, especially in the TDX community due to John's toxicity against the game. There's no denial the game was literally just a tower battles clone in 2019, but currently the games are vastly different due to TDS devloping a completely unique style that is nothing like tower battles.
what if the the two communities just kissed back then so we never needed any of this petty drama before and now *cough* Tdx v Tds.
That would be too good for this world
I love when 0clut fills us with his content
Yo bro thanks for the blessing, when i get the video ready ima post it in remi's announcements 💪💪💪
Conveniently the same video as remi lol. Good vid
Well well well, if it isnt my favorite tds youtuber
for REAL
No, TDS is no longer copy anymore, below just remodel fallen mode.
as someone whos played tower battles wince 2018, i've never really been one to call tds a copy og tb, i think it's pretty easy to see that the towers are just guys with guns and thats not the most original thing ever. really, the only thing i'd even remotely still call a "copy" is the commander (which i might get into at a future date), but yeah, based video, you've earned a sub
Tds copied tb on a lot more than one tower ...
Dude the commander rework isnt an entire copy, just because its the same idea dosent mean it is executed the same
rework sure but hes just saying that tds never rly copied tb and thats just not true.
@@whyuojpoop2439 you should really watch endropotexs video on which he covers this
there is a huge diffirence between inspiration and copy, also without TDS John roblox wouldn't get inspired to make TDX so there wouldn't be TDX x Tower Battles collab
Also tower battles doesn't own idea of a commander, guy with a minigun and mortar XD,
you and other TB fans are just salty that the game is not as big as it used to be
without TDS many other great roblox TD games would never exist, Doomspire Defense, Tower Blitz and previoisly mentioned TDX were all inspired by TDS
,,you can't copyright an idea, you can only copyright an execution of the idea"
also implying that some towers are similiar is just nitpicking at this point, the only one that is really similiar is the commander, entire rest has major diffirences, before you will say ,,em actually minigunner and commndo are the same" then sorry bro but this concept is extremly basic, its just a fast firing tower and thats it, literally anyone can make it in 5 seconds
when it comes to more unique towers:
railgunner compared to ranger? Yea heavily diffirent, the only thing that makes them similiar is that they use a railgun and they deal high damage, homever ranger also buffs range of nearby towers and does splash damage, freeze compared to cryo is heavily diffirent, freezer fires in bursts (before you say its a copy of sleether, Below probally forgot that this tower even exists in tower battles) and need to hit enemies multiple times to freeze, also he has an ice grenade (before you will bring ZED and mecha base to the argument, mecha base is not released yet and it will definitly get reworked before being avaible to the public), even commander has diffirences, in TB commander sends only 1 APC that just rams into enemies, while in TDS commander summons 3 APCs, with them 2 of them being armed with gun and 1 being armed with rocket launcher
Not like towers even looks similiar,
implying your logic of TDS copying tower battles you are implying this to tower blitz, doomspire defense and TDX to becouse they all have similiar tower concepts
your entire argument is just ,,they copied this tower" with no proper proof, and harrasing BelowNatural back in 2020 becouse of ,,copying" is immoral and just shows that you and (some) other TB fans are just salty that TDS is more popular
true example of copying was that one skibi toilet game that 1 to 1 copied TDX's UI and lobby and TDS's UI
yes TDS was similiar back in 2019 homever you cannot just jugde TDS by what it was 5 YEARS AGO, roblox community really needs to understand a diffirence between copy and inspiration 🤦♂
8:02 i havent gotten that in months, not to mention you can pay to reroll the quests…
8:26 one of the missions is behind the 700 robux gladiator paywall…
9:26 which is exactly why this game deserves to get criticised far harsher
They're so greedy for money!?! Noway anyone in that team works hard enough to deserve it.
Dude. *Phoqus*
I honestly got bored of TDS and moved over to tower battles. I’m like level 250 in TDS, got all the towers, and beat every mode, and now there is literally nothing to do. Tower battles pvp is fun and every game is unique depending on the opponent to keep it interesting and I honestly prefer the designs and models of tower battles to TDS by far. I honestly don’t like the generic military theme TDS is going for recently and miss the simplistic goofy Roblox designs.
"You can get phantom crate in your weekly quests" I haven't seen a single phantom crate quest ever since they got released
I can’t believe it was planet earth itself that killed tower battles
AGGHHHH
Still dont understand to this day why planet did not sell the game to ppl (obviously not cash grab devs) or even john either
@@ramyadalwasif2527 i dont think john would buy tower battles, he wants to keep it's legacy, no changes. also apparently there will be tdx skins coming to tb. john said there will so IDK
@@TordBot69 tb update real??!?!?!??!!?
@@ramyadalwasif2527 john put an ss of him telling planet to add the skins to tb
I subscribed so you could afford coffee today :epic:
0c back with another BANGER once again
Hello pumpkin head I'm here to give you some advice. Never dive deep into the regretevator fandom. There's some weird stuff in there.
I rather get bad rng than fight breakers
@handleislol they look stupid and have that annoying split second of invincibility thing
Short answer: yes
Old tds: yes, basically the whole game
New tds: no, or very little to where it's not noticeable
Long answer: unquestionably
@@MightyJackTea I see what you did there
@@leonardotrujillo8661 yeah will still guilty
@@leonardotrujillo8661nah, so much of their game is still built upon it. Wether it be game mechanics, countless copied towers, enemies, and wave layout.
I mean... the first release of tds. It just copied and paste Tower battles existed tower and call it original.
Planet allowed below to copy tb because below and planet never expected TDS to blow up in popularity
Oh and planet allowed below to copy cause it was a school project
@@marri0nz ofcause average 2021/2022/2023/2024 Tds players try to twist the truth lmfao, Ur pathetic af. Also don't even start with my pfp Just makes you even more pathetic.
Tower Battle : "Continued my legacy..."
Literally all roblox tower game : "Yes master."
except ttd and other crap games that use summon mechanic and dont have any effort put into
Tower Battles is slept on ngl, always loved it.
Old tds:Below saw The New sauce, that Planet earth created and Took its place.
New tds:its a different type of game. The only thing you'll see some similarities is the map.💀
Now we're eating good with this.
Yeah tds imo kinda sucks rn.
03:51 NOT REMI XD
Money hungry...I think people forgot that roblox basically took 70% of the developers profit whenever a user buy something in tds using robux. If theres an another reality where roblox was as Compassionate like before, then you could have seen 4 big update per week from tds.
honestly neither copied neither its a tower defense game of course aspects will be similar and nothing is original anyways,
ok but have you guys actually tried to complete a double major in collage AND make a game saying that planet is lazy just cause he didint want to make a TD game on roblox a platform that famously pays their developers basically nothing saying that hes lazy is just unfair
Tds fans ⚔️ Tdx fans
Tds devs 🤝 Tdx devs
Bro doesnt mention tdx much or not at all and yet comments yap how tdx fell off and tds is the epitome of the best tower defense games
Shows what tds community is like
Great video 0clut❤
I'll save you 11 minutes and 42 seconds. The answer is yes.
@@Coolest-Daniel Didn’t even realize this was an 11 minute video
why people saying bro fell off 5 min after the vid released LOL
1:46 MADNESS COMBAT MENTIONED OOORAHHHHH
Stardust speedway…
there have been bigger games with less gamepass spam... tds is hella popular they really dont need that high prices to turn a profit
Some tower names are different.
DO NOT DISS PURSUIT MY BELOVED
Polarsaurusrex outro?!?!
Also uhh, why did it go from tower battles for like 1 min then the rest was yapping about tds not being greedy
I knew someone would get it
i love when the video titled did tds copy tb then the video is mostly about tds monetization 💔💔💔
9 minutes of this is just tds man
1:55 i agree, breakers suck
I think bro actually missed the whole idea of the video at the end when he was talking abt that tds devs arent greedy
Bro gaslighted us into thinking its not just a video about if tds greedy or nah😭
2:06 explanation💀
Idk..but cool video man!!
ur my childhood hero 0clut
Not the tdx x tb gameplay footage 😭
are you attracted to a pair of hands?
LIES, Whole Month I Still Don't Have My Weekly Quest DELUXE CRATE IS ALMOST 5 MONTH😭😭😭
No, none of the actual good td games on Roblox didn’t copy anyone except of all being a td
Insert "towerbattles 🏅" tik Tok channel
Lowkey tb vs tds then it was tds montiaztion video still a good video 😮
the real question is, did tds copy skibiti toulet sigma defense?!,!
yes because april fools dumb event (insert interroband sign)
@@breadbear9491 sigma..,,. or..,./ o skibiti?!
@@OOSFOREVER2 i rizzy too much livvy dune gyat dizziness
@@breadbear9491 you dont edge to sigma skibidi..,
Tbh Tower Battles is the first tower defense game after which tower defense games were start popping up and every one used the same towers But with Different Features And thats not copying its called getting inspired And Tds I agree is not a money Hungry Game Becuase Roblox Dont really pay well to its Game dev And Tds Also gives a alternate method to get those items for free :)
No he is not
First td game? Nope. First roblox td game? Yup.
I'd say it's bloons td, although not the first I know, it's the game that sparked the td genre.
@@chadylubis9821 fact is that tb diden't steal their designs, Tds just ripped everything off.
NOOOO1!! 1!1!! TDS IS "inspired" BY TOWER BATTLES
2:06
so u like though hands?
though words for a MAN
tds is atleast not as bad as roblox bedwars (i just dont enjoy the idea of buying an op character for robux)
0:50 Tdx gameplay
I do gotta say that there such a thing as inspiration 0clut but you never think of that even if your like a very small youtuber
4:47 also tdx is more ptw with one mechanic that is better than tds mechanic the amount of power ups you got 1 that solos a whole boss another one where it Destoryed enemies and the list goes on and tds made support type ability’s meanwhile tdx made attack type. You gte where I’m coming from tdx is more ptw if you look at it and not to mention that the best towers like g juggernaut is 85k and you gte get g minigunner for 50k and tdx has a warship and if you can’t bother to grind it then ptw
yes tds copied tower battles they were heavily inspired this old news💀💀💀💀☝☝
0:50 THATS NOT TOWER BATTLES THATS TOWER DEFENSE X😡😡😡😡
Guysbhes right it doesn't take a whilebto get to level 100 i got in 5 days playing 17 hours a day😂
Bro tries to be like wikia colors but way worse and talking 95% off topic related things 💀
And bro still stuck at 2020 💀
Im confused on what ur saying
Sup
@@Hungary_0987 no no pls no i have children pls dont invade my country
@@Hungary_0987 no
Short answer: *YES*
Please try world tower defense
11:19 you know what…I’m done
Yes. Yes it did
Quick Answer: yes
Legacy content?
this seem like a familiar video
did u copy remi's video
11:37 omg its u and me no way
Yes but they did it better
for the tdx stans claiming your game is "less money hungry" look at warship and XWM. Also the owner of TDX has his very popular youtube channel which makes (around) a million+ a year which surely helps fund his game. AND they've planned everything for 2 years so don't go around saying "tdx is sigma" they're the same as TDS, if not worse.
ohio tds
Answer: yes :)
Wattesigma
OK
is thist video even about towerbattles its like there for the first what 5 mins of the video lol