I'm making T2 builds here you can use as reference questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/TheIronConjureOfOnslaught I just focused on known 'meta' builds, those builds in F aren't actually F and is playable
Spear/GS puts on gear with evasion stats on it and uses sets of armour with evasion bonuses. You also have a GS mastery that changes Vital Force from hit to 260 all evasion. Then artifacts, runes and 70 dex and you have lots of evasion.
bow/staff so low? Maan. So at this point we gotta have at least 2 separate builds for small and large scale. it seems like no matter what build you choose it lacks in either one.
Im so happy to see GS/Spear so up in the tier list, Im actually planning on going for a full defense endurance build with high CC resis and chance. And now I have seen the new version that HungerBlade threw with like 7.5k health regen and Im not really sure if I should give it a try haha
I support all t1 with sns/dag, everyone told me that in t2 the class gets stronger. At this point I don't know if the "tierlist" are right, I've already seen several tierlist in t1 that said that some combinations were bad, and it was enough for me to see good people with those same weapons that they called "F" or useless putting together spectacular plays, at this point I don't know what to believe the truth regarding the "meta", I only have 1 certainty, if sns/dag I feel the same as in t1, I uninstall tl.
You have to take into account when they are making these tier lists they are putting those classes in the pov of someone who not only mastered the class which takes a long time but someone who had min maxed everything about it.
Hey I am playing this game for three weeks and I am staff/bow.. Should I swap to staff/dagger?? The bow skills feel weak and seeing your list it looks like staff/dagger gonna be much stronger
Staff/bow has been one of the top classes since launch it depends on how you’re playing it excels in team play(gvg) and depending on the player it struggles in small scale. Staff dagger is not as effective in GvG depending on the player but in small scale it’s good. Having dagger leveled would just add to your toolkit as a player so if you can do it.
@@Whelps As staff/dagger, you need to go melee evasion on traits? I'm trying to play that (rn in T1 server) and ifI see a gs+dagger user I know am dead xD. I changed to my melee tank healer melee evasion set and can survive more bcs dodging melee better (I was using 4 shadow harvester with range and magic endurance). But I've readed that in T2 evasion is going to fall hard. For staff/dagger is gonna be better to run endurance? in T2? I like that class bcs is super fun to play, but melee attacker hits HARD, I even stopped to play bcs of the massive qty of spear and gs users in the server y.y
@@alhnosre6944 it depends on the server. Melee evasion right now is very useful against spear and other melee classes. With talandre so close you might as well just do that but again it depends on what people are using on your server
its good without arch boss all u need is daigon staff as a alternative and u good, but if u ever get one bellandir staff then use it, its bis in staffdagg.
@@dex2417 Problem with the bqueen in global it have poor chances so it's bad in small scall and avg luck in large scale cuz if we compare it with daigon and other t2 staff with skill buff its have consistent dmg
you're playing the two of the best "support" type weapons, jsut because both of them are good doesn't mean you should pair them up. if daggers get buffed, bow/dagg will be a bit stronger but everything else with a dagger will be S+ or even godlike, same goes for the bow. it's just a bad combination and if one of them gets buffed, a lot of other builds will get affected
yes because it makes sense a warrior mastery his FUCKING GREAT SWORD THAT HAS 2 METERS and from nowere he pulls two fucking Balestras and turn into a sniper agile. For me what have to be balenced are classes that shares the same damage or type of attack, like magic + magic , ranged + ranged e etc...
@@brexity603 nerf dagger. That alone will make other compositions viable. Evasion and crit rate is too high. Makes using evasion on every other combo useless. Put more evasion on gear. Daggers are too strong due to evasion buff that's why most take them
@ if they nerf daggers nothing will die, healers would be so strong because daggers would be weak, also evasion needs to be way higher than hit chance so unless you are running a very very low hit chance the dagger evasion isn’t that good
Without cordy it is the same as right now body. You can watch koon s video with quenn belandir. İt was so bad that ı erase the game. I gave up at this point. Funny thing is they nerf cordy :DDDD. When it comes to xbow, they do the nerfing. They hate xbow. Even funnier that they didnt nerf directly cordy. They nerf gale. They are basicly says that dont spin bro, İf you dont have cordy. İF you somehow have cordy it is still viable but if you dont. JUST DONT PLAY THE GAME THEY SAİD.
@@superlooz9497 You cant deal damage bro. Like whelps said you can still assasinate one person when there is 200 people around shouting at you with flash waves. İt is basicly the same as now. You go in if you manage to spin you will deal %30 damage max. Even with poison. Your only mass pvp skill is useless on top of that it has 1 min cooldown. They hate xbow man.
I agree. We need thunder/poison buff big time. Especially poison. Should balance the healing on tanks/makes heal significantly less due to being poisoned. And lightning should have more cc like stun or shock. It would move it up a teir or in-between s-a teir
I would kindly disagree. I am bow/dagger,and I have 1v2ed,solo killed a tank,in fact im having a very hard time recalling losing a 1v1 ,I have 1v2ed ,and beaten combos that r this in A and S tier lists
you are welcome to disagree but this tierlist is based on general performance and it's strength of a build overall not 'A tier cannot kill S tier' there are so many factors to consider when it comes to 1v1
He even put the new highest evasion class in F 😂 he put sns spear that gets 12k in shields constantly in F when they are 2nd highest tank and put the strongest bomber class in kr currently in F lmao he’s talking from before mastery changes coming from someone that is in a top guild in kr this list is laughable and doesn’t represent current state of the game at all
@@hyperion360 did you watch? the classes in F are not necessarily “F” tier. He put them there to focus on meta classes. He says every sns build is minimum “A” tier.
@@Ks-fb4gmagain did you he has classes such a staff wand at A when it’s not even a reliable healer anymore in kr now he says meta stayed the same when it has changed drastically because of mastery changes to the point endurance is not even good as it used to be the meta has shifted back to a evasion meta like I said someone that is currently in top guild in kr and is actually competitive in kr this is not a correct representation of how kr is currently
@@hyperion360 again what? are you ok? You missed what he said about the classes in “F” tier and used it in your argument disliking the tier list. I don’t care what your tier list is I’m just correcting obvious information that you missed.
@@Ks-fb4gm read the first line at the bottom when you start the video meta is the same class good in t1 still good bad ones remain the same when again I’ve said for the 3rd time now it frankly not the case to say meta has stayed the same when its changed drastically is misinformation but continue being a sheep listening to someone that probably has less than 30 hrs on kr since mastery changes and no longers nebula island and inter pvp
stop teaching people and pretending you know the game well when you are actually bad in game no matter talking about individual ability or all the guilds you were in, how pathetic you want those western attentions giving you this kind of utopian reputation, your ccurrent kill rank in Korea server is 116 with 728 kills and 2593 assists which happened in less a month of server merge, last time is 7362 kills and 20470 assists which happened in half year
I'm making T2 builds here you can use as reference questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/TheIronConjureOfOnslaught
I just focused on known 'meta' builds, those builds in F aren't actually F and is playable
trust me guys once i put out gameplay footage of wand/dagger in T2, wand/dagger gonna be put into A+ surely :copium:
Wand dagger with tevent is such a wild card. Gets me hard thinking of all the possibilities
im hard with u brother, lets touch tips
it has really good potential especially if you have tevent for sure
Bow dagger is hurting for sure.
Does this mean spear dagger gets nerfed? Because right now it’s S+ based on every type of content we do (CL1)
no that means my S would be SSS+ for you
Thanks for the info, please advice me i was thinking to go spear/ dagger, but dont have tevent dagger so should i go spear/ gs for all pvp purpose ?
Still playing Templar since day one. Looking forward to T2.
1. Please explain why bow dagger is so low now
2. How does spear gs go evasion?
Ty
Spear/GS puts on gear with evasion stats on it and uses sets of armour with evasion bonuses. You also have a GS mastery that changes Vital Force from hit to 260 all evasion. Then artifacts, runes and 70 dex and you have lots of evasion.
@ wasnt aware of vital force ty
Staff/Dagger, you are saying "it is basically the best ranged DPS currently", endurance or evasion build?
Evasion always with dagger
Hey I was thinking of switching to bow dagger with tevent daggers for tier 2
Is it possible to play Longbow + spear? If yes, what will it be Endurance or Evasion?
Should go Endurance or Evasion for Staff/Wand?
bow/staff so low? Maan. So at this point we gotta have at least 2 separate builds for small and large scale. it seems like no matter what build you choose it lacks in either one.
A is not low xD and yea there is no perfect build for all, bow/staff is one of the most versatile build tho considering you have to pve as well
whats up with SNS in t2?
Im so happy to see GS/Spear so up in the tier list, Im actually planning on going for a full defense endurance build with high CC resis and chance.
And now I have seen the new version that HungerBlade threw with like 7.5k health regen and Im not really sure if I should give it a try haha
hungerblades vids have helped me out aswell😎
@ Yeah! I was almost 100% decided on my build and now I have seen the new Health Regen one and got me thinking if this could be really worth it hahaha
Which video was it with the health regen?
@@TheEmu12 There is no video, its in his Questlog
Ill gamble on dagger/wand! If its bad we just uninstall lmao
can u make a build for gs spear?
I support all t1 with sns/dag, everyone told me that in t2 the class gets stronger. At this point I don't know if the "tierlist" are right, I've already seen several tierlist in t1 that said that some combinations were bad, and it was enough for me to see good people with those same weapons that they called "F" or useless putting together spectacular plays, at this point I don't know what to believe the truth regarding the "meta", I only have 1 certainty, if sns/dag I feel the same as in t1, I uninstall tl.
You have to take into account when they are making these tier lists they are putting those classes in the pov of someone who not only mastered the class which takes a long time but someone who had min maxed everything about it.
make proper tier list for zvz / gvg / small scale / arena / pve please
Stack endurance over evasion? Atleast with endurance you can be more tanky. With even high Evasion you know someones gonna hit you and kill faster
its hard to make a tier list for PVE unless we have a dps meter. for pvp however its very doable. especially 1v1 testing.
For Tevent wand, you think sns/wand is viable? Or do you still think that tevent wand is only viable for wand/dagger?
sns anything is viable if you want extra survivability, for dps focused build wand/dagger
Whelps is there a PvP T1 tier list just to look back to see how each does in T2 side to side?
speer?
Will spear/gs be good for t2 but full hit build? Glass cannon
its good because you can do full hit/endurance no need glass cannon
@Whelps for this build what gs and what sprear would you sugest?
@Whelps what do you recommend for hit/endurance?
staff/bow in t2 for pve and pvp will be endurance or evasion?
endurance
@@Whelps ty man
3mil dmg in 1 minute yes sure please show me that dmg on the dummy 😂😂
what about Staff/Spear @TheWelps - we use two in hier tier wargames, and they are pretty good performing
please t2 blessing video
Hey I am playing this game for three weeks and I am staff/bow.. Should I swap to staff/dagger?? The bow skills feel weak and seeing your list it looks like staff/dagger gonna be much stronger
all have pros and cons, staff bow has great sustain both hp and mana more aoe and can pve. if you go endurance build you can play both
Staff/bow has been one of the top classes since launch it depends on how you’re playing it excels in team play(gvg) and depending on the player it struggles in small scale. Staff dagger is not as effective in GvG depending on the player but in small scale it’s good. Having dagger leveled would just add to your toolkit as a player so if you can do it.
@@Whelps As staff/dagger, you need to go melee evasion on traits? I'm trying to play that (rn in T1 server) and ifI see a gs+dagger user I know am dead xD. I changed to my melee tank healer melee evasion set and can survive more bcs dodging melee better (I was using 4 shadow harvester with range and magic endurance). But I've readed that in T2 evasion is going to fall hard. For staff/dagger is gonna be better to run endurance? in T2?
I like that class bcs is super fun to play, but melee attacker hits HARD, I even stopped to play bcs of the massive qty of spear and gs users in the server y.y
just play melee evasion build on t2 and some range, magic
@@alhnosre6944 it depends on the server. Melee evasion right now is very useful against spear and other melee classes. With talandre so close you might as well just do that but again it depends on what people are using on your server
Does staff/dagg need archboss? or can do good without archboss?
its good without arch boss all u need is daigon staff as a alternative and u good, but if u ever get one bellandir staff then use it, its bis in staffdagg.
Bellandir staff althought is S tier when enemies are clumped it is still less burst than daigon staff. Just keep that in mind
@@dex2417 Problem with the bqueen in global it have poor chances so it's bad in small scall and avg luck in large scale cuz if we compare it with daigon and other t2 staff with skill buff its have consistent dmg
Cool. Thanks for the info guys. Good thing staff/dagg is still good in t2.
Triple eva or endurance for gs/spear for t2 ?
Endurance if you are not going to min/max but if you are including arcboss definitely evasion at the highest level.
Endurance is for tanks and healers. Spear/GS needs to go evasion.
Incoming triggered off meta build enjoyers who failed to watch 10 seconds into the video 😂
Bow dagger hurting. Needs a lightning buff. Or make poison a debuff for healing does more dot
you're playing the two of the best "support" type weapons, jsut because both of them are good doesn't mean you should pair them up. if daggers get buffed, bow/dagg will be a bit stronger but everything else with a dagger will be S+ or even godlike, same goes for the bow. it's just a bad combination and if one of them gets buffed, a lot of other builds will get affected
daggers are for smoothbrains... shadowstrike cooldown should be 25+ seconds
Only bows that really hurt are bow/dag imo. Weird that changes.
@@kagiWeeb_ how is daggers a support weapon? Makes no sense
All those classes are F IS PRIME EXAMPLE OF LACK OF BALANCE
You clearly didn’t watch and understand the video, they aren’t F if you are good at them they are just memes that’s the problem
yes because it makes sense a warrior mastery his FUCKING GREAT SWORD THAT HAS 2 METERS and from nowere he pulls two fucking Balestras and turn into a sniper agile.
For me what have to be balenced are classes that shares the same damage or type of attack, like magic + magic , ranged + ranged e etc...
Also there’s not much they can do because if they buff/change any of the weapons then the classes that are good will be even better
@@brexity603 nerf dagger. That alone will make other compositions viable. Evasion and crit rate is too high. Makes using evasion on every other combo useless. Put more evasion on gear. Daggers are too strong due to evasion buff that's why most take them
@ if they nerf daggers nothing will die, healers would be so strong because daggers would be weak, also evasion needs to be way higher than hit chance so unless you are running a very very low hit chance the dagger evasion isn’t that good
For xbow/dg in pvp small and large scale, is it a viable class can do burst dmg or not? Without cordy xbow
Without cordy it is the same as right now body. You can watch koon s video with quenn belandir. İt was so bad that ı erase the game. I gave up at this point. Funny thing is they nerf cordy :DDDD. When it comes to xbow, they do the nerfing. They hate xbow. Even funnier that they didnt nerf directly cordy. They nerf gale. They are basicly says that dont spin bro, İf you dont have cordy. İF you somehow have cordy it is still viable but if you dont. JUST DONT PLAY THE GAME THEY SAİD.
@ibrahimsarcaoglu2738 without cordy is it bad because xbow cant do burst dmg? Or cuz you die fast?
Did you watch the video?
@@superlooz9497 You cant deal damage bro. Like whelps said you can still assasinate one person when there is 200 people around shouting at you with flash waves. İt is basicly the same as now. You go in if you manage to spin you will deal %30 damage max. Even with poison. Your only mass pvp skill is useless on top of that it has 1 min cooldown. They hate xbow man.
new world is hot garbage
What’s ur opinion on GS/Spear, cuz now we can stack 3,000 + Melee Evasion. So do u think GS/Spear can be really good in overall situation ?
wand (dps mastery) + staff = ranged meta until the next new weapon
He said he placed staff/wand high because of healing and not damage.
When will the musket...come
plz no xD
Rip bow/dag :(
I agree. We need thunder/poison buff big time. Especially poison. Should balance the healing on tanks/makes heal significantly less due to being poisoned. And lightning should have more cc like stun or shock. It would move it up a teir or in-between s-a teir
I would kindly disagree.
I am bow/dagger,and I have 1v2ed,solo killed a tank,in fact im having a very hard time recalling losing a 1v1 ,I have 1v2ed ,and beaten combos that r this in A and S tier lists
you are welcome to disagree but this tierlist is based on general performance and it's strength of a build overall not 'A tier cannot kill S tier' there are so many factors to consider when it comes to 1v1
You must have not played much since new masteries looking at the builds you’re giving out you setting these kids up for failure 😂
He even put the new highest evasion class in F 😂 he put sns spear that gets 12k in shields constantly in F when they are 2nd highest tank and put the strongest bomber class in kr currently in F lmao he’s talking from before mastery changes coming from someone that is in a top guild in kr this list is laughable and doesn’t represent current state of the game at all
@@hyperion360 did you watch? the classes in F are not necessarily “F” tier. He put them there to focus on meta classes. He says every sns build is minimum “A” tier.
@@Ks-fb4gmagain did you he has classes such a staff wand at A when it’s not even a reliable healer anymore in kr now he says meta stayed the same when it has changed drastically because of mastery changes to the point endurance is not even good as it used to be the meta has shifted back to a evasion meta like I said someone that is currently in top guild in kr and is actually competitive in kr this is not a correct representation of how kr is currently
@@hyperion360 again what? are you ok? You missed what he said about the classes in “F” tier and used it in your argument disliking the tier list. I don’t care what your tier list is I’m just correcting obvious information that you missed.
@@Ks-fb4gm read the first line at the bottom when you start the video meta is the same class good in t1 still good bad ones remain the same when again I’ve said for the 3rd time now it frankly not the case to say meta has stayed the same when its changed drastically is misinformation but continue being a sheep listening to someone that probably has less than 30 hrs on kr since mastery changes and no longers nebula island and inter pvp
Spear wand is tanky and with tevent you can do serious dmg
staff/spear F tier nice joke 😂
stop teaching people and pretending you know the game well when you are actually bad in game no matter talking about individual ability or all the guilds you were in, how pathetic you want those western attentions giving you this kind of utopian reputation, your ccurrent kill rank in Korea server is 116 with 728 kills and 2593 assists which happened in less a month of server merge, last time is 7362 kills and 20470 assists which happened in half year
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What's the actual meta? asking seriously as i'm looking to swap from bow/staff kinda tired of both weapons looking to play something else on T2
facts.
seek peace