My Redbone Family was Kicked off the Dawes Rolls (Goins)
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@4:00, that is a legit legal document, the same docs that my Choctaw side of the fam have.
@6:22, Yup, Jeremiah Goings was disenrolled by the BIA who held enrollment jurisdiction over The Five Tribes at the time, the reason is obvious, he acted as a interpreter/interface for many Natives/mixed bloods seeking to keep or apply for citizenship, and for his actions, the BIA Dawes Commission sabotaged his family's citizenship as a punishment. The BIA often conspired to keep the recognized Native population low, which reduces the cost of treaty funding and political power. They usually targeted mixed bloods who are familiar with both tribal history/culture and western law, and Afro Indigenous People, and even full-bloods who held multiple tribal ancestry.
This is what Native activist and historians call "paper-genocide". However, since 1978 Santa Clara Pueblo v. Martinez, the Supreme Court ruled that all Tribes have the right to determine their own enrollment, and since than, there have been hundreds of thousands of descendants across the U.S. who have enrolled, some of these people's family/perhaps many of them, were disenrolled by the BIA back then. Today, the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma require applicants having at least one ancestor on the original Dawes rolls, and the Mississippi Choctaw require 1/2 Blood Quantum dating back to their 1945 enrollment when they became federally recognized.
Im so thankful you took the time to look into this. Im going to pin this in case any one else had similar circumstances in their family. I still don't plan on trying to enroll, but I am deeply saddened at the way this part of history has been tossed aside and forgotten. This was a part 1. I dont know what part 2 will look like in real life or as a video.
@@nytn Thank you, ✌🏼😎✌🏼
A shame!
The entire blood rolls acceptance of "natives " is embracing white supremacy and it's extremely anti black. My family was enslaved by the Creek and are on both rolls. My ancestors experienced the trails of tears. I've been told by historians we are linked to a mixed race warrior. I was extremely disheartened to see how citizens were treated in the late 70s and early 80s.
Thank you for this information. I am a descendent of Jeremiah and Sarafina's Drake Goins. I am a great-great-granddaughter of their youngest daughter Emily Goins.
So my mom and I have been watching your channel since the first Lola doc came out. We've always felt a connection. When you showed the names of Jeremiah and Sarafina then Everline(Evelyn) I screamed. Those names are on my tree.
oh my gosh! That is amazing!👏👏👏👏. You'll have to let me know what I missed!
I believe I can help you with this. The goins line started with John gowens in Jamestown Virginia. This area was also home to cheif Powhatan of the pamonkey tribe. Cheif Powhatan was the leader of multiple tribes referred to as the Powhatan nation. After chief Powhatan died his brother opechancanough would eventually become chief. John gowens grandson Thomas Goins would marry opechancanoughs daughter I believe. Perhaps that can help you to understand why they had troubles with the Dahl rolls due to the many tribes among the Powhatan nation.
I’m a descendant of the Goins family
@@enwalker I’m a descendant also
It is important to understand that the Dawes Roll was not a roll created for enrollment or citizenship. T'he roll was created to determine who was eligible for land allotments to be distributed before Oklahoma statehood. Once all of the lands were alloted among the Five Tribes---the remaining millions of acres would then be available for whites to come in and for the state of Oklahoma to join the union which happened in Novermber 1907. The land was basically being distributed to the very people who had always owned the land. The Final Roll was not submitted to Congress until it was finally closed in 1914. Ao the official Dawes Roll (which can be viewed on the National Archives website for free) was created one time. The document that you showed was basically the application form--called an enrollment card.
Many who could not prove that they or their pareants had always been in the Territory since the days of the Removal (Trail of Tears) were eventually determined to be not eligible for land allotments. Admittedly -- the process was not fair and many were not treated equally. In some cases hundreds of Freedmen (formerly enslaved people and their descendants) were also not placed on the roll and did not receive land allotments.
In addition---the Freedmen who were placed on the roll were also discriminated against. They received 40 acres of land each. Meanwhile those on the "blood" roll were allotted eight times more land--- 320 acres each. Even minor children and infants each received 320 acres, while those who had been enslaved received 8 times less.
The court cases were long and involved and like the case that you presented, often reflected the numerous biases of the Dawes Commission, and their policies often reflected biases that still are on-going issues.
There were some cases where those who had lived in the states (Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana) who were documented in the Federal Census of 1860, 1870, 1880 were disqualified, when there was not continuous presence in Indian Territory from the days of removal (1830s for Choctaws), onwards. The story is a complicated one.
Coahuila state was a safe place for Indians looking for respite from persecution from the United States. As you probably know Saltillo is the capital but the city of Muzquiz tended to be a refuge. The University of texas has quite a bit of information as to why so many people went there. Also there was a pretty big influx of Italians in this area too around those times. Mexico (New Spain) had different priorities when it came to the Indians. There is likely a story as to why they would become citizens. And then go back to Mississippi.
also don’t forget to Mention that for a long time the Mexican government fought against the natives from the South West for the long starting from the early 1800s all the way to the end of the century
@@joaquinflores3547 and at that time the United States government was worse than the Mexican government...so...
Great times we're experiencing to witness! Coincidently, just last month I've learned my beautiful mother's great-grandfather, was a freedmen of Choctaw-Chickasaw descent. Particularly few of his tribe partook in the exodus from the states, after The Emancipation Proclamation was officially enacted throughout the states in 1863. They seized upon their freedom to seek solace in other countries...West Africa serving first pick. Places as Liberia and Cape Verde served as host.
That's an amazing story. You mean your family actually left the US? I did a video about Lincoln's failed plan on that...Im so curious now!
I’ve read that among the Cherokee and Choctaw there were discrepancies of citizenship to those descendants of black slaves,and there was a back and fourth about recognizing them as members
I only know a bit about the Freedman controversy. My family does have enslaved African heritage as well, but as far as I can tell it was not from this side of the family
Absolutely…..no one wants to be affiliated with black people…🤷🏿♀️
@@monnieeeeyt7037 There are nearly 100,000 Afro Indigenous People who are enrolled into Tribal Nations and communities across North America, because they proved they have meet blood quantum or lineage. The Cherokee Nation have the Cherokee Freedmen as citizens with all rights. The Creek and Seminole Nations have a Freedmen roll (adoptive roll) with certain rights. The Choctaw and Chickasaw Nations don't recognize their Freedmen, as they opted to go by blood, which disqualified all who were on adoptive rolls rather they were white, mexican, from another tribe or black. However, all of the Five Tribes of Oklahoma did give their respective Freedmen 2 million acres of land via 1866 Treaty agreement. All Tribes have some sort of enrollment qualifications, so what actually do you expect the Tribes to do for Black People, do you want to force them to enroll those who have no lineage or adoptive history?
I know a couple of freedmen with paperwork. They don’t get anything from what he tells me. Me being chickasaw, we have a lot of casinos but we don’t get any money from them. They use them in programs for housing and other things as schooling, and utilities. And give land at a cheap rate if you can find it in chickasaw land.
@@jouhsagreen1627 Yup, most of the casino and tribal company revenue is invested into programs, education, infrastructure, to pay the tribe's bills, buy back land, and is also reinvested into economic development. We have big Tribes, so if each of the 5 Tribes of Oklahoma did give out percap income, each of us would be lucky to get a 1,000 a year, lol. Are the Freedmen you know, are they Chickasaw Freedmen, if so they are not recognized as far as I know.
One thing is important to know----he Dawes Roll had nothing to do with enrolling in a nation. The purpose of the Dawes allotment process was to create a roll of people eligible to receive land allotments. After each person received land the remaining millions of acres of land would be open for settlers to come in and the Territory could then join the union as part of the United States. It was all about LAND.
"Enrolling" meant having one's name placed on (en-rolled) on a list (roll) of people eligible to receive that land. The Federal Census that was shown in the video was the 12 Federal Census conducted in 1900. The Dawes Roll was a list of people eligible to receive their land allotment. Period. The Dawes Roll was not a "key to cultural heritage" --- it was a list of people eligible to receive land.
Of course--there were many people who did not get the land or get their name placed on the roll to become eligible for land allotments. But it is still important to understand what the roll was for. Now---today---the nations use the final roll (note this is not the final roll--this was the card that was filled out when they appeared in front of the Dawes Commission.)---the Five Nations use the final roll to admit people to for citizenship today, but at the time, it was not a citizenship roll. It was a land eligibility roll. That is why part 3 of the enrollment process consists of the land allotment files. One the Dawes Card shown, note that the first column in headed by the words, "Dawes Roll No." In that case the space is left blank because the family was not placed on the roll nor given a number. Now---there might have been more evidence that the family could have given, since there is a reference to another file, which suggests that they had more to share, but in this case, it may not have been considered.
It might be worthwhile to try to find that additional file if possible. But remember the Dawes roll was not about joining the tribe it was about eligibility for land.
From the National Archives:
"Approved on February 8, 1887, "An Act to Provide for the Allotment of Lands in Severalty to Indians on the Various Reservations," known as the Dawes Act, emphasized severalty - the treatment of Native Americans as individuals rather than as members of tribes." The task was to introduce the concept of private land ownership in place of a tribe owning all of the land in common.
In the days when the Cherokee Indians occupied the Chattanooga region, members of the Goins family were their neighbors and intermarried with them. Some of the Goins clan were of the mysterious dark-skinned Melungeon race. It’s important to note Melungeons were not monolithic people, and there are Melungeon families having different ethnic backgrounds. Melungeon is a term that first appeared in print in the 19th century, used in Virginia, Tennessee, and North Carolina to describe people of mixed ancestry. Melungeons were considered by outsiders to have a mixture of European, Native American, and African ancestry. Researchers have referred to Melungeons and similar groups as “tri-racial isolates,” and Melungeons have faced discrimination, both legal and social, because they did not fit into America’s accepted racial categories.
Thank you for your research, there is so much confusion in the Goins family history it makes my head spin.
You have worked hard on this
💔not over yet. Going to figure this out
Keep making these videos. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am Hawaiian and I can identify with this situation
Ive been reading a bit about Hawaiian history with the US and it's pretty shocking (and recent)
I’m a Goins in The Lumbee tribe of North Carolina.
I’m a descendant of the Goins family from Silver Run in Hoke County
You know why! You pass your history down anyway.❤
MYGrandmother lost her land in Baton Rouge. By migrating to Chicago she did not know she would lose the land! Sent a lawyer to resolve her land deed to no victory, in the end
My Grandmother had the Hazel eyes!
this is terrible
Every time I watch one of her videos, it proves Hidden Colors' right SMH. Respect to Tariq.
Were the "5 dollar indians" ever audited for authenticity?
You can be Italian and native american
you gotta be one or the other and your father was Italian that's probably the real reason.
The real Native American aka Indians
are Black like me and the guy Professor Griff , I just don't claim it because of all the confusion & pride of natives ego.
I think the Cherokee have accepted the (black) Cherokee Freedmen as full tribal members now. ( Descendants of Cherokee owned slaves and inter racial children by Cherokee)
Anyway sad to know that a lot of Native Americans tribes are still living in such poor conditions on them reservations.
What tribes you talking about? Most reservations have casinos bingo halls multi million business get free healthcare cheap housing percapita from casino revenue and when native kids turn 18 they get a million plus dollars
@@grassrootsndns That is not true. Native Americans are still the poorest race in the USA.
Not all tribes have casinos. Even tribes that do aren't as rich as you claim. My friend got about $1000 per year from the tribal casino. That is nice but nowhere near what you claim. Natives would be the richest race in the USA if what you said was true.
@@johnnyearp52 look up forest country Potawatomi, Meskwaki, Pequot, peyellup and alot of other tribes get 1000,s a month bro.. even my tribe Prairie Band gets lots of money when we turn 18
@grassrootsndns lol I wish your comment were true. I'd be livin' phat! Lol I live on Kiowa land and receive IHS healthcare. My housing is not free, the land just doesn't have property tax. And there is no million dollars at 18. Lol How nice that would be. Per cap checks are miniscule, too. They help with Christmas shopping, and that's about it.
@@unicorn1620 your the wrong fn tribe that's all
I descended from some Goins that lived in Tennessee, thats wild! Here ,the ones that I'm guessing didn't go with removal, were called Mulungeons ( synonym for mulatto it seems). And the picture you showed looks just like the hair and skin tone of those family members. This has been so great for me understanding my family history as well. Thank you!!!
I’m a descendant of the Goins family that moved to North Carolina along with the other side of the family that moved to western North Carolina which would later become Tennessee.
My last name is goins I’m from Kentucky don’t really know much about that side of the family.
George Goins was a significant ancestor. I believe he lived in Catawba NC in the 1800s then later move to TN with his family to either Hawkins or Grainger county
@@milesgoins2076 I'm a goins from Kentucky. My 4 time great grandfather is Napoleon Bonaparte Goins...... His brother is Stradford Goins
I know some of the goins family ventured out wish I could know more about the family but I don’t
Blood quantum may not be the only factor. Not continously occuyping traditional territory is another. Also surnames like Goens/Goins/Goings are known to be Southeast Native descended, but not necessarily Choctaw. Not being accepted on Dawes or other rolls can mean different things. One could be fullblood but not from the right Nation hence not accepted. 1909 was when the Guion Miller roll testimonies were being documented. Many were not accepted as Eastern Cherokee. That doesnt mean they werent Native. If its government officials judging the applications the motivation is to keep numbers down. Not appearing on a roll at all also doesnt mean one doesnt belong to a Nation. Percentage is not as simple as statements like "my DNA is 20% Norwegian, that doesnt make me Norwegian" make it out to be. DNA ethnicity first of all are only estimates. They are more accurately expressed by a range of possible percentages. Second of all, many DNA ethnicity estimates link to populations that are thousands of years old, long before the creation of modern countries like Norway. What is labelled "Norwegian" DNA in some tests may actually be more accurately described as Norse. As in it is relating to a population from that era, not an ancestor with a Norwegian passport. DNA ethnicity.estimates in Southeastern Native American populations are not very reliable due to mixing, small sample size, and bias. It is a better tool to see who your relations are. If 20% does not make you something and your identity is 20% from 5 groups, than you are nothing? Of course notm Mixed identity is more complicated than this and the passing down of many family histories are broken by early deaths, adoptions, residential school, and other factors. The US did not include "2 or more races" as a census category until 2000, yet it has always existed.
Each Tribe has their own specific enrollment requirement, Most Tribal Nations across the USA require blood quantum of either 1/2, 1/4 or 1/16th, while some require lineage that is linked to a document dating back to the first treaty rolls, or a later established lineage requirement by the Tribe. Some Tribes require applicants belong to a specific clan, band or may require having at least one grandparent or parent who is enrolled rather that tribe uses blood quantum or lineage. Most of the Tribal Nations of the Five Tribes use lineage that goes back to the original Dawes Rolls over 100 years ago, unless we are speaking of the Mississippi Choctaw who require 1/2 documented blood quantum evidence going back to the 1945 enrollment when they became federal recognized.
Blood quantum comes from US federal and state laws for defining race. Thats where Tribal Nations got that. It is not traditonal, more often it is matrilineal irnpateilineal descent. The Southeast saw many populations decimated by war and disease and tribal remnants merging and adopting each other. Especially with firced relocations. The Southeast history is more complicated than a CDIB could capture.
@@MS-zz3zi BQ was introduced, one might say it was forced on to Tribes, yes. However, most Tribes decided to reform their BQ and adjust it to modern circumstances. Some Tribes reformed by including any other Tribal BQ or lineage, or include related cultural and language tribes, clans or bands. Some Tribes decided to go by lineage with varying qualifications such as having one enrolled grandparent or parent, or going back to a specific treaty or their own tribal enrollment reform period. CDIB isn't really needed by most of the Five Tribes, it is mainly used by the BIA records, most of these Tribes use lineage. CDIB may be used by the Choctaw, Creek Nations to prove 1/4 tribal lineage, which is a requirement to run for tribal council or principle chief, but it isn't a requirement to be a citizen. Yup, it's a very complicated because there is no one size fits all enrollment requirement, and the BIA complicated things.
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Also note that it was recorded that both parents were not citizens from any earlier roll. I would check earlier rolls just to see if that was the case. Earlier Choctaw rolls are on ancestry in the collection called "Oklahoma and Indian Territory - Indian Censuses and Rolls." That might assist you in the research.
Hello, do you have a personal email? Me and a cousin could use your help trying to find older census in Oklahoma. Thank you 🙏🏾
i DON'T KNOW IF Danielle knows what a genealogy LEGEND you are, but I would faint if you commented on my post. lol!
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This made my night. Im really grateful to everyone who is a part of the community while I am learning. Thank you so much!
Yes! I knew it when you mentioned the Goins! They are in my family line, and are involved in one of our biggest events! The Goins men, and the Brister men, went to Ireland and brought back a boatload of wives and dependents! Including my great(+) grandparent Frank Brister, who brought back a pregnant woman who died in childbirth on the trip home. Mrs. Crick told us this at a family reunion.
Goins is a core melungeon name of mixed-race people, often excluded by many parts of society includin structural racism that some tribes continue but racism policies that were initiated by colonizers trying to keep "pure-blood" Indians in oklahoma and melungeon peple with African descent or Freedman descendants of African descent seem to have a hard time registering with federal tribes, quite possibly because of policies put in place 200 yrs ago to keep Melungeon people out or from being misclassified, when they had no place they fit in, which is why our theme song is "wayfaring stranger" without a place.
My grandfather’s grandmother was a Goins from North Carolina and he told me personally that he was Croatan. Which is simply a tri-racial mixture of black, white and native.
My 12th great grandma was Mohawk from New York. My 12th great grandpa was a French fur trader who came down from Quebec . My 11th great grandma was half French and half Mohawk and my 11th great grandpa was Dutch. I have cousins in New York and Quebec who are Mohawk that I have never met. The other side of my great grandpa’s family is Spanish, Serbian, Italian and Syrian .
The point was, and still is, erasure. The concept of erasure is so ingrained in Western cultures against North American Indigenous people that one of my elders told me "we are the only race that is constantly asked to prove who we are." Like sort of half-glass-empty doubt is woven into all talk around being Indigenous, no matter how you appear. My elder went on to say, "as soon as you tell someone you're Indigenous, they immediately want to know, 'how much?'". This plays into erasure. My elders tell me something completely different. This was never our way. And the way our identity has been politicized is also part of erasure. A lot of communities that I know of validate the Indigeneity of people, even if it may be back several generations. We're taught to honour our circles, not throw them away. And I know some Indigenous people don't like me talking like that and find it corny. Well, I don't think our cultures are corny, but that's where I'm at. Culture SAVED my ass. And I wouldn't be okay with myself without it. I would say more, and at the risk of sounding even more corny under white framing, I could feel your Indian spirit the first time I watched one of your videos. This is something we know how to do, especially with experience practicing discernment. Knowing the real thing from a poser is quite distinct. And one of the teachings I've learned is keeping our Indian spirit alive, not dumping on it with anger and dirt. Well, I just wanted to say something short, but oh well. Thanks sis.
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It sounds racist but if you’re legitimately in danger(not like Europeans who say this) as an ethnic group/race, then you’ve gotta stop mixing with everybody, especially the people who suppressed your people in the first place.
Get your money up, start having more babies and prioritize your cultural values onto your descendants.
This is a deep topic. It goes beyond what you might imagine. I’m going to speak in general terms about this because I’m not trying to offend anyone. Many of the natives were basically given a choice to either claim one thing or be sent to a reservation. During this time period it was not considered beneficial for many of them to go on reservations so they chose to claim another identity. We should also keep in mind that they were not thinking like we are thinking today about ethnicity. For some it was about survival and saying or claiming a different ethnicity didn’t matter as long as you were able to survive during that time. Fast forward to today and you will see many native Americans looking like Caucasians because the goal was to get the land. Which was accomplished. Go back and look at the paintings and documents describing how the natives actually looked and you will find out they don’t resemble the ones who claim to be native Americans today.
Natives are still here in the millions, rather mixed or full blood. What's your agenda by saying the Natives are extinct and claiming the Natives today are $5? It sounds like you have a racist agenda to replace or exterminate the Natives.
You are talking about one part of the country and applying it to the whole USA. There are many Native people in my state and other states who do not look like white people.
What native people are you referring to? There are 1000's of indigenous Americans in this country.
Remember that Europeans were doing the descriptions and paintings. As for photos, many subjects were selected because they looked more exotic than the general population. Geronimo had blue eyes, as his mother was SA, adding to his hatred of whites.
I’m descended from a white 35 year old that married a 14 year old and had kids with her to get land during Dawes. It was an abusive situation in many ways for that poor girl but I am happy to say she persevered and lived a long and successful life despite him.
I am very light skinned and a member of the tribe. I also take great offense to the notion that many light skinned Native Americans are descendants of only the liars in history. Some of us are descendants of both the perpetrators and their victims. The relation to the Native victim seems to be too often ignored when a current tribal member is light skinned. My family’s history and our mixed existence actually stands as an undeniable testament to the truth of that time in tribal history. We have the people, the documents and the stories to tell the truth about how he took advantage of a young teen for her land. But too often we are written off as “pretendian” on outward appearances. I’m not proud of him. I’m proud of the successful Native woman that teenage girl became after dealing with him. She was well loved by many.
Very interesting. Very detailed research.
Thank you!
I wonder if the Goins family you're speaking about are connected to the Goins family from VA/NC. There is a melungeon connection with them, I can't recall it off the top of my head, but I do know i came across it during some of my own family researching.
I have heard of them! I bet there is a connection, although I personally haven't found roots directly to those states yet. Maybe some of those folks will find the video and let me know! So cool
I’m a member of the Goins/Walden family originally from Virginia and later North Carolina and Tennessee when it was formed.
The term citizenship in America seems to morph over time depending factors known and unknown. It boggles the mind. 😕
I think the government needs to recognize that they divided tribes ,so therfore they need to pay for facilitating the reconnect process, instead of keeping you divided so you can never get to the actual reservation of your ancestors especially when you are in government housing in the same state. Weather the tribe decides to enroll you could only come after they know you. But if they keep you isolated or segregated from those people, museums, culture, heritage, and family then it's easier to keep you divided. Especially when my ancestors signed treaties with this tribe ,I have lived my whole life here and they are pricing everyone out in Oregon. After almost 8 years left homeless roaming back and forth going "where can I live?"You start going, wait a minute!!! I do deserve to stay living where I'm from without being priced or forced out. Tribe or not ( which they know I want to learn all about so they keep me in a what feels like trapped situation so I can't get there) My ancestor was forced to sign that treaty of 1855 then they murdered him. He died for my survival here today and that really means something to me. I never have asked for anything but survival and when your government is leaving huge populations in your state homeless you recognize that this treaty was meant to help in now times so I wasn't forced out. So now they force you in in government housing. A new form of reservation where you have no freedom to roam freely and safely on your own terms. When you've been homeless you don't have any resources and they know it so your stuck. This has been my experience. Also if you ever tried to sue the county for shooting you 3 times and almost dying, they know it and will black list you on services and all kinds of things in life. The government here always wins. This is only a small piece of the nonsense here in Oregon. 😊
I’m a little confused as to why you wouldn’t stand on evidence that you have found. You are speaking with so much confidence but then you say you’re not sure if it’s your family. I’m confused. A lot of people are so mixed that blood quantum shouldn’t even be a thing at this point, in my opinion. If people choose to participate in regaining culture & heritage then it should be a choice. I, myself, am not interested in the politics of enrollment either but I would like to participate in the culture and learn the culture at the very least if I had the opportunity.
OMG! I just checked and I have a positive 100% DNA link to the Drake & Goins family in St. Landry Parish, Louisiana.
So your video hits very close to home for me! In fact, I think we might be cousins...
So, I'm a Goins/Taylor from Southern Ohio... with links to many Goins lines.
According to FTDNA my certified haplogroup is E-M4103 which is my Y chromosome that has been passed down from father to son over hundreds of years.
My DNA breakdown of my Y-DNA is made up of; Sub-Saharan African, Native American and Arabic ethnicity.... this has been confirmed by my BIG Y 700 DNA test that was completed in early 2024.
3:30 so they guessed identity by what standards?
Dawes Commission? residency required plus proof of how much choctaw blood. No genetics test back then. To me it's like medical policy determining treatment based on race but without genetic proof of which genes or 😂chromosomes are specific to them.
O..m..g......your family lived in lone grove!!! I graduated high school about 15 mins from lone grove. My moms family is from there and colorado. Its crazy about the dawes list. I have generations on the dawes list dating back to its beginning. Im filing for my role number under my cherokee heritage. But i cant file under my choctaw herirage. Its closed!!! So whether im an 8th. 16th, or 24th....doesnt matter, I coukd never claim them. I feel a way about it. The coolest part....my great grans name in the dawes list...." cries for war". A woman! How badass is that!!!
Great work…keep going! PS…I went to school with members of the Goins’ family in New Orleans. Y’all might be connected.
I'm actually in process of getting 2 of my children and 2 grandchildren enrolled in their own ancestral tribe. Their birthmother is an enrolled tribal member but adoption has complicated things for them and although birth mom could simplify the process by providing her tribal ID number her health is running out and there's limited time to spend on that route.
My stomping grounds (Idabel ok) the India tribe you are talking about chowtaw is a name I heard that my family is associated with but I have no proof of that.
on my moms dads side of family are Goins from Kentucky mom told us her dad was cherokee but were not sure would love to know for sure we are native...
I'm a goins from Kentucky. My 5x grandfather is Napoleon Bonaparte Goins
Interesting! My great grandfather was a Goins from Louisiana.
Very cool! I bet we are related somewhere...
My friend from Tennessee, her mother's maiden name is Goins, and she identifies as part indigenous. That can't be a common last name..
@@nytn my 5x grandfather is Napoleon Bonaparte Goins
Born 1817
My mom has both ancestry Family in Louisiana and Mississippi Pensacola Fl. Family found in Texas and Oklahoma Creek Nation Rez I found one cousin named Crazy Horse... Pensacola as a child in some kinda flag parade my mom was always told to walk under the McGillivray flag They are True Creek Nation Wind clan bloodline my mom said her grandmother received an Indian check and she never told my mom much about her family just a few names and they were brown people my mom said her grandmother would where long sleeves in the hot Florida sun so she wouldn't turn brown and be called a N word????? What...She was told she was French and Indian also...Names i have found also are Jewish...My mother had a beautiful family line so many people of all kinda bloodlines but her family kept so many secrets her uncle was a short brown man they say uncle but she heard possible father...She Never knew her real dad sad...She looked until she passed away...Still not having all the answers to her many questions
What is $5 Indians? Can anyone explain who are they?
Folks who paid to get on the rolls w/o the ancestry so they could get land
My Step GGGrandfather was denied Cherokee ancestry, because they lived in Patrick County VA. Ancestors were not part of treaties, (this is what is stated on the document.
wow, sounds very similar
I am in the Goins family that lives and still live in atascosa county tx. There is a family cemetery in Elmendorf tx which is right outside of San Antonio. There is a headstone there with the name Jeremiah Goins there at that cemetery. Been trying to just find more information on the Goins family and all the origins
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I'm as chocolate as they they come(Choc-taw) Family from Oklahoma/texas when It was considered Mexico.Ancestors Indian and Irish.Those Indians were BROWN and the Irish part shows in other parts of my family because my mom is also brown from Chicago, Illinois by way of Tennessee.My popz and momz are chocolate and had me and we have lineage that goes back beyond any modern trope of slave ships and Africans ect......
Here's a thought, why is it that the Indian is singled out by the white people within the government, federal government as they're recognized by their titled position, rather than by the color of their skin as white determining who is Indian and who isn't. Same application doesn't apply to the white people? Any Indian who is married into a black race is not recognized as an Indian who is married into a white race...All this nonsense because of land, land strong armed by imperialist ideology...Thank God, it's falling apart into pieces...
My ancestor James Vann has “cancelled” real large on his Dawes Roll and I have no idea why…..
Have a friend in NYC, enrolled in the Choctaw tribe of Oklahoma, but he cannot get medical benefits from the Indian Health Service because his primary residence is outside the state. Another friend enrolled in a federally recognized tribe in NYS, but lives off reservation in NYC, can travel anywhere in the U.S. and can get medical treatment anyplace that accepts his benefit.
I've had relatives who were kidnapped from reservations and put up for adoption, how should I go about proving my ancestry along with DNA tests?
Wow I am so sorry to hear that. Using GEDmatch is great because you can match with folks who often have family trees set up, and that can help you start the digital "paper" trail
@@nytnmy dad is half and he was adopted by a white/mexican family
Just have to comment that I recently broke a way from o pastor and his wife I was given an ultimatum to doso I happily lt them know Thai was born mixed race always happy to be mixed and will live out my life as such scary part scripture was twisted again and again I knew the pastor was wrong but than he came out as full force racist I told him what I thought and I'm very happy as I always was happy 💯🙏❤️
I think it's cool you got to meet with someone who told you anything. I wasn't attempting to enroll myself but I did send in an enrollment application for my mom and I never heard from them. I never got a return phone call after calling either. I to was hoping someone would meet with me and share some history with me to but it doesn't happen like that. I 'm not going to harass them or continually beg for info .I've been told to go to the museum I can't get to and that's it. And people don't like to freely share information on things now because they want to either make money or keep secrets I don't know, I don't get it. I would think more people to learn, cherish, and even share in keeping the traditions alive the better...but whatever you can't make other people care if they don't. Just do you .😊
This is the worst travesty. O dont care how small a percentage of blood you have you should be welcome
People these days think the original tribe didn’t know they own people and were considered partvo& 5hevtribe through the mother
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I believe that the government got away with kicking natives off the roll, and replace them with what they called the $5 Indians.
I believe that the government got away with kicking natives off the roll, and replace them with what they called the $5 Indians.
I believe that the government got away with kicking natives off the roll, and replace them with what they called the $5 Indians.
Your family got kicked off too for the exact same reason. Unfortunately a common practice back in the day.
Yes! My mother's father returned back to his inherited land in the Virgin Islands after moving from Liberia in his adult years. Apparently, He met my grandmother (mom's mother) there. He also later bought a home in US. I assume he felt strong lineage ties in US. History documented Freedmen inheriting much land in US, which was granted to them by their Native Indian neighbors. Places as Seneca Village aka Central Park NYC, were former lands originally inherited by Freedmen (Negroes.) I'm sure your video will help inspire many to find their lost roots. We have beautiful quests ahead of us. Thanks again NYTN for inspiration!!!
I have one great grandma born on rez in Mississippi and another great great who was kidnapped and made a slave . Her son was a Cleveland
Note that Eveline's card did not have numbers stamped on the left next to her name on the card, and those people who have no numbers stamped in that first column that says "Roll No." applied to get on the roll, but were never placed on the roll. So htye were not "kicked off" --instead they applied for and did not get approved by the Commission, even though they submitted good information.
thank you! the court documents seem to mention they were being removed OFF the roll, but this is getting a bit muddled. I appreciate you!
I think this de-listing will be the death of the tribes themselves.
Doesn't matter. They will either be replaced by the fake wannabe indigenous or by the illegals from hispanic countries that have millions of indigenous.
Are you afraid to say systemic racism? Please call a thing a thing.
I’m a GOINS descendant as well😮WOW
As A Descendent Of Three Tribes Bloodlines Choctaw, Creek, & Seminole
I Am Very Excited To Here Your Family 's Story.
The woman was not Native the father was and it’ goes by the mothers line
We are probably distant relatives by ancestor marriage
On ancestry DNA I have 3 matches from people with last name Goeins on my dad's side. His mom my grandma was adopted and they knew the surname of her birth mother. I have white mstches that connects with ancestors in our family trees before surnames i already knew meaning the white side. I can't find a bkack ancestor born before 1795. A zillion white ones though
That’s because a lot of the family chose to live as white around that time. The members of the family essentially just wanted to identity as free people of color. Many are still in North Carolina including myself.
Hello, I Goins with ties to early Virginia
It’s hard to tell really. I seen brown/dark skinned native men and women that had darker skin than I but their facial features were just unique in many ways. It’s hard to tell nowadays who is native and who isn’t.
I agree my grandmother on both sides of the family both liked how they have native Americans in them based on their facial features
This is a great video thanks for the post
My Great-Great Grandmoter were part Creek i know very little of her all i knew she was born in Alabama around the 1870's
Ahhh...I am a Goin, Gowen
Goins is a known Melungeon name. Were they even Native?
Yes but other things too
Hi cousin!
I found a document where Eva Padier was a midwife who delivered a child Jessie, whose parents were Martha and Jim Padier. This was the file that accompanied the Enrollment card that you shared in your video. Do you already have this record? If not I can send it to you.
I do not!!
@@nytn Let me know how I can share it with you, either via email or on FB Messenger. There is a file of documents--but oddly there is no interview in that file that usually is contained as well. I will look to see if I can locate an interview that should have been there.
@@AYWalton I have an interview somewhere from the affadavit! You can find me on FB i think its facebook.com/findinglolafilm/
@@nytn I just sent you a friend request. Then I can share the documents with you.
Jeremiah is my great great great great great grandfather. My dad did a lot of research but unfortunately he has passed and I don't have his research. His name was George Virgil. I knew about Goins being kicked off the roll. I'm glad I found your TH-cam channel.
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I found cousins on the Dawes Military List Cherokee Eliza (Elizabeth) Mae (Leader) Goad and 8 children all given a ID # for the Cherokee Nation. i did the research and found Eliza married James Ledonia Goad in Hopkins Texas and moved to Indian Territory before the Oklahoma became a State. James Goad, a white man, is an uncle of mine about 4 generations back. Eliza and her children were all awarded land allotments on the Cherokee Western Band Reservation. I just wanted to find out how these Cherokee people got the Goad sur-name since I couldn't find any Cherokee named Goad in the Eastern Band of Cherokee. James Goad came to Texas with his father from Virginia. The Goad's came from England all the way back to Cornwall. Eliza's parents were Cherokee/Chocktaw and ended up in Texas after the Trail of Tears Indian Removal which started about 1838.
Imagine that...I also have Gowens alternatively spelled as Goins in my maternal line in Baton Rouge Louisiana by way of Mississippi. They are sometimes listed on census as Mulatto. They were said to be Choctaw/ Chickasaw descendants but mixed with European and so called "negro" people in the same area of Mississippi
I am a descendent of Jeremiah Goins!
hey cousin!
I think it's important to note that the Dawes Rolls were based on and cross-referenced to the tribal memberships already determined by each tribe, and there were a significant number of people who refused enrollment. The Dawes Rolls were also meant to correct the mistakes on earlier rolls, by this cross-referencing. (Source: NARA)
You going to remember by the 1800s he already had 300 years of Spanish empire migration and mixing with those people
Hello, I am a Goins. Have you come across any Collins or Mullins in the Goins family line?
Not yet but still working on that side! :)
I will keep in touch and follow your channel. Thankyou for your hard work!@@nytn
So many question's concerning who , what , and where for non-white american's !!!
You got to remember Cherokees are from Virginia it was where most native Eastern Americans were pushed to
Many native to the United States was pushed into northern Mexico and four corners area
Thanks for the insight.
Thank you for your video. I am a descendent of Jeremiah and Sarafina's Drake Goins. I am a great-great-granddaughter of their youngest daughter Emily Goins. I've subscribed and would like to learn more. I recognized the photos you share. The one especially of Ruben Goins and his son. These are family photos that have been passed on. I have a brother that looks like Ruben and his son.
That would be amazing!! Let’s definitely connect
I know goings in my state friends of mine
Hi, I enjoy your videos. I was trying to find the link to your master class, “be a good ancestor’, but I can’t find it. I thought it was linked to this video. I would love to learn how to find some of my ancestors. Thanks😊
Oh yay! If you do it, keep me posted on what you find out :). nytonashville.com
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Sounds beautiful!
The mixed part of mewas to remain hiddrn from myhair alWhen the pastor said that
Excuse my spelling at the beginning g of this year I used ancestory not for me I knew my parents raised us to be proud of course I'm not white pastor dug down harder which I dug I harder I tried not speaking to him then but he kept calling my family and I are happy he is Germania white no mix I'm irish 45percent Lithuanian and on the Lithuanian side 100 percent person of color happy to be who I am my hair texture and features are not white thank u all and God bless
So interesting. Thank you Danielle.
Let's see what else comes out...this family 😯