ATC Becomes OVERWHELMED & CONFUSED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Kristoffer (my son) and I fly to Fort Lauderdale Executive KFXE in Florida and ATC becomes overwhelmed & confused which can lead to a dangerous situation.
PilotToPilot Justin Siems makes a cameo appearance on the radio.
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Your son's smile on take-off & climb doesn't lie- what flying is all about!
I noticed that too!
I’m glad I’m not the only one noticing the smile on the sleeping prince’s is face. You know he enjoys it a bunch.
I caught that Dad moment. “I miss you flying”. Makes my dad heart break as well. I got a two teenagers and a 8 year old.
That was one overwhelmed controller. Great dad moments 👍🤗
I can't imagine what it must be like to have an off day... or even an off 15 minutes, as a tower controller. As stressful as that was to listen to, just imagine how stressful it must have been in her brain. Overwhelmed is exactly the correct word.
She manufactured her own stress on that one. Just because there is traffic doesn't mean it should be stress. Know your job and do your job right and there won't be problems. She should have had her license revoked imo. That is what she signed up for and she couldn't handle it.
@@eustaceomalley6071 What a shitty comment.
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing the good with the bad. Awesome to see your son's smile and outstanding flying skill during the chaos of an overwhelmed controller. It is great to see a live example of rapid change (poor guidance from ATC) potentially leading to disaster, but wise piloting kept it perfectly safe. I like that this video was about flying and less bubble and giggles.
Good job staying aware of the landing gear at all times!
Refreshing to see a pilot deciding to 'Go Around', 20 secs earlier would have been better, but never the less well handled in telling ATC what You are going to do. Top marks.
@10:46 That guy has every right to be there! This is a pet peeve of mine: instrument flights thinking they own the sky on an approach in VFR conditions. This is class E airspace and VMC, see and avoid rules apply. In this situation he has every right to be there. He probably isn't an IFR rated pilot and has no clue that what ENVER is. He's just flying legally VFR at
Brian Green I totally agree with you! Everything you said sounds correct and you seem like you know what you’re talking about. Even tho Idk wtf you’re talking about. I concur
The smile on his face as he takes off is priceless! That is why we fly right there!!!
Calm, cool and collected. Like every pilot should be. Very good example for GA pilots.
Well done Kris. You have more patience than I have.
Good decisions on your part to go around. Congrats of the greaser landing with all the stress.
Thanks for sharing.
Great to see you and your son take a flight together with him at the wheel, probably a good day to take him to show him what can go wrong and how to handle them. Good lesson learned there, thanks again!!!
This video should be shown to FAA, or at least that local ATC group for performance evaluation. You handled the situation very well.
I'm hoping with Kris's popularity, this video will spread pretty quick through the flying community. It won't take long before ATC finds out about it.
Nice job handling the ATC instructions from an extremely busy controller. You responded with clear and prompt responses assisting her ability to handle the flow of traffic. Your son will do well learning from you; and, it was enjoyable watching you giving him some friendly tips. Continued safe flights and “Well Done”!
Very good job with the chaos! I am based at KFXE for almost 20 years, it is often very hectic. If you learn to fly there, you can handle just about any airport. It's the 9th busiest general aviation airport in the country with almost 1000 airplanes based on the field and an average 490 takes offs and landings per day. I am also based at KPVC on Cape Cod. In the winter, I am the only airplane on the field.
I trained many times at KFXE, a lot of jet traffic, and 50% of the time approach is not having it.
Wow, I was stressed listening! Thanks to ATC for keeping us safe, but at times it can be very frustrating. I'm pretty sure you handled it much better than I would!
Always good to get a reminder of what south Florida traffic is like! (Did a lot of training around KLNA & KFXE...) LOL! Nice job handling it though! :)
Wow You guys did great and a Lil bit of advice for your son , enjoy the time you have with your dad anytime you can get it . I never got the chance to fly with my father . He died before i got a two place. your dad gives a lot of people great advice I hope you find this bit of advice something to enjoy the best part of life. "TIME WITH YOUR FATHER"
That can be a very dangerous situation when they get mixed up like that, and wished she would have either redone her spacing, or handed off to someone who wasn't confused as to the traffic/situations involved. Everyone has off days, but that is critical to either get it together, or hand it off. You handled it in the correct way, and it should have let her know she was struggling greatly.
Another great video! You handled that confusion flawlessly and professionally. Hope I’m able to be that calm even when stressed. Starting my flight training down south of you at Page Field Fort Myers next week!
No excuses for that ATC, you don't get second chances, people die. Get it right, or get out. Thank God you are a capable pilot and made the right decision, "Go Around". Good Call!
Great job remembering the gear, a lot of gear ups have happened in situations very similar where they pulled the gear back up for some reason and forgot to put it back down. Well done
Verbally running through the landing checklist also helps.
This reminds me of the time when we were landing at Dallas-Ft Worth, on VFR final and tower told us to "STOP". We were flying in a UH-1H and could stop. Makes you wonder what would have happen if we could not stop. Love flying with you.
I understand your frustration with conflicting speed requests, but remember the approach and tower controller dont work together and they gave their speed request based off THEIR traffic.
Approach wanted best forward speed because he probably had faster traffic behind you. Tower wanted slower because she had that slow guy on base. Approach can't see the guy on base and tower doesn't care about the guy behind you.
I was the slow traffic ahead of them. This kinda thing happens here every day. Gotta be ready for anything. Go arounds and runway changes mid approach are the regular
I feel like this is how controllers feel about me. I fumble a lot when I’m in a delta or a Charlie and I press that push-to-talk button.
We are all humans. Good job keeping your cool.
My friend, if you have your airman certificate, you should be comfortable in class, D, class C, and even class B airspace. Talking on radios is easy once you learn the right phraseology.
@@lwheatcraft It's very common for low-time pilots to feel uncomfortable in busy airspaces. Think about those of us who have the vast majority of their time at uncontrolled airports! It's easy to get tongue-tangulated when you're trying to remember brevity you've only used for real once or twice in between airlines snapping off IFR jargon every four seconds.
As a retired controller I’m embarrassed. That was not just poor technique but dangerous as hell.
Tbh this happens all the time changing an a/c on rwy 9 to Rwy 13. Afaic the only thing she did wrong was doing the change so late. Oh john dill kick rocks!!
@@John-zv1hy Can you please explain? How is your comment relevant in this situation?
@@John-zv1hy Thank you for confirming my suspicions.
@@Hedgy327 what's he going on about?
Letter Slayer Were playing spot the racist.
I feel for that tower controller. I’m a center controller, so it’s a bit different... but there’s been many times where you get completely slammed with traffic and you are totally on your own to handle it. Impossible to describe unless you’ve been in that situation. The best thing we can do as pilots and controllers is not give each other attitude... but rather work together and get through the situation together.
a lot of ATC bashing in the comments and some of it inappropriate
@@emylrmm Yeah, there's a lot we don't know from that small clip. She could've been working 3 hours without a break... she could've been getting completely hosed by the approach controller (handing her way too many airplanes not properly spaced)... etc. All FAA controllers go through an extremely rigorous training process, but sometimes there's just too many airplanes and not enough airspace. You're playing the hand you're dealt that day and you have to fight through it as safely and as efficiently as possible.
Great job with the go-around and the complex set of instructions and chaotic pattern instructions!
Remember though, the tower issuing var pattern traffic you're following along with their radar indicated airspeed does is not a speed reduction. IE "number two following traffic on a 3 mile final indicating 100knots".
In fact, it is the radar approach controller that is responsible for the IFR separation on final, in other words, you vs ExcecJet the was behind you. The tower's responsibility is to clear you to land and work the VFR pattern around the IFR traffic. Tower VFR and IFR separation requirements are on the runways, thus the last minute change to RWY 13 as she tried to salvage what clearly was not going to work.
Great job again!
Whewww! Knuckles are still white from gripping the desk, but heart rate is finally slowing down, lol! Total respect for you, remaining calm and collected in an insanely chaotic situation. Handsome son's smile was priceless on takeoff. Keep the videos coming...this is better than going to the theater.
Wow, heavy workload for you there. You handled it very well. She really hosed you on the runway 13/9 deal.
I admire your remaining calm. I would have been tempted to tell that woman ATC to make up her mind!
Good job. This same scenario killed a Cirrus pilot a few years back.
air2234e my thought exactly!
Are you referring the Houston accident. That was totally preventable.
@@donmeeker8911 Same but different. When the Baron went to tower, that recommendation of "sterile cockpit" may have been appropriate. With all the tower chatter, slow down/speed up. . .#4 for runway 9, things appeared to be hectic for all inbound for RWY 9. Baron also saw the #1 was moving "like pond water" on the runway, so I'm sure he was thinking a go around was upcoming until ATC's decision for RWY13.
ATC's voice was a tad bit heighten. Training mode for tower perhaps? IDK.
For me, being #2 and a significant amount of other "inbounds," for my piece of mind, once RWY13, yep. . .I would have kept 13 in my mind . . .perhaps to stay with what I had. . . .IDK. VFR. . .hey, you landed safely. Armchair flying on my part. The RWY13 go around was on point. Teamwork.
As for your son, I am oh so sure that experience was exhilarating. . .and the next time!!!!
Exactly!!!
When you have a full final on the primary runway (9), it’s difficult to hit a hole with an arrival to an intersecting runway (13). It often gets ugly fast, as it did. She was definitely down the tubes, your experience taught you not to force the first Rwy13 approach, very wise, she NEVER should have instructed you to circle so close to the airport, slow steep turns equals stall. 30 years ATC retired, embarrased, sorry!
The driving/flying analogy is an interesting one. When driving u can find yourself at your destination without even thinking about it, when flying you never get the chance to zone out. You are always alert which is probably why I sometimes feel drained after a flight.
All I can say is ......WOW! You handled it well, thanks for sharing!
This is one supreme moment to forget that you just put the gear up after the go-around and then land the airplane on the belly. Great flying!
When I was learning to fly I would take any excuse to fly, and this one day the owner of a C150 A, asked me to re-fuel it. I said sure, I then had to fly it from the strip to the local International Airport about 15 miles south to buy fuel from the Club the owner was a member of, and the last thing he said to me before takeoff was make sure you land on the grass strip, or I get charged landing fees.
Ok so I have my shiny learners License, 20 hours total 3.5 solo and I'm flying his 90hp C150A into Class C airspace, all good, take off great, turn towards the International Airport at 500 feet all good climb to 1400 feet, then remember this Airplane has a speaker and a microphone, ok turn up the volume. Get the ATIS, set altimeter, change freq to tower and call. No answer. Getting closer, grab my Chart from behind the seat, lookup the Frequency, yes I have it set correctly, call again , no answer. I say something like CRAP loudly. The Tower replies who is that? OK it's got VOX, no PTT and you have to shout. Getting really close. Give my callsign height and position, request to land on the grass. Tower (a woman), "you are number 9, enter a right hand holding pattern 1500 feet". I read that back, but have no pencil and the chart has no indication of where this pattern should be. Anyway this C150A, has a very basic panel, manual flaps, and not so accurate fuel gauges. So I circle three times, getting better at it each time accounting for the cross wind. Tower has been communicating with commercial turbo-props, a 737 or two and C172's doing touch and go's on the grass parallel to the main. I'm circling on the other side of the main. Tower calls me and tells me to land on the cross runway, like your 13, well I've done 3.5hours solo, not from this Airport, and I just can't get all this in my head at once. So as I stop circling I see there are still at least 9 or 10 aircraft in either the training pattern or sequencing to the main, and several helicopters as well.
My brain just about explodes with "I'm going to die here", but as I get closer to the threshold of the main, I see another grass 'runway' parallel to the main on my side, So I turn towards it, flaps down power back, forward slip and grease a nice landing, on the newly re-seeded area between two taxiways.
Well I motor around to the Fuel point, stop and begin refueling. There is a welcoming group of people from the club all clapping, and laughing.
But I'm sure you guessed that the Tower was not happy at all, in fact livid is a good description. She screamed at me for around 10 minutes, before I could even open my mouth.
Seems she was trying to teach me a lesson, for swearing on "Her" channel, by having me circle and then landing me on a revenue runway. But due to my being overwhelmed, I landed on the clubs new grass strip, so no charge to the owner.
I said to her "Sorry about that, had to get on the ground before my head exploded, and that was the closest straight bit of grass I saw."
The CFO from the club took my logbook, signed off so that I could do the ferry flights legally, and said to me, "You do know the owner of the Cessna lost his license last year, because of complaints from that controller?". No I did not know that. Well he was 85 years old and quite deaf and needed a walking stick to get around.
I flew that C150A many times, even fitted a transponder into it, and fitted a set of sockets for headset too. (I was an AME Radio).
When I see the Avidine systems these days it's another world, compared to the basic panel, and paper charts.
Love your channel and hope your son does more flying.
She doesn't belong in ATC that's for damn sure
I come to these channels realizing I spend more time enjoying these stories than the video itself. Thanks.
Great story, thanks for letting us share.
Awesome story. that's crazy. What's funny is the planes owner was probably having you refuel for him so he wouldn't be caught doing it, but something tells me he was still flying it on the DL! Hence the need to refuel.
Awesome job!! That was crazy...sometimes atc needs to just slow down...
Great video. Any chance you 're planning a video showing your flight planning I.E weigh and balance, checking weather and filing the flight plan?
Thanks for that video. Brought back memories - and butterflies to my stomach. Some flights feel weird, like the planets aren’t properly aligned or something, I think this was one. Good stuff - you wouldn’t want them all smooth - would you? 😊
That was some cool headed flying! Great work under pressure sir!
Stay patient, calm. My son never flew with me, that makes me sad. ..but happy for the sons/daughters who did.
Your experience was clearly displayed all the way to touchdown. That was a cluster...….if I've ever seen one. Nice flying Kris.
Well done! That was a recipe for disaster and you handled it well.
Wow! She was totally saturated and put you in a bad spot! I kept thinking while you were on short final.....Go Around! Then the 13 switch...... what a wild ride. She was very lucky that you were a calm cool pilot or that could have been bad! You handled that like a pro!
I love how you say you hope to get some more flying out of him...man, if I were him, you would have to hold a gun to my head to get me out of the cockpit! I've wanted to fly since I was a kid, and I can't get enough of being up in the air. I hope that in my next life, I come back as someone with enough money to spend all his time flying like you do.
That was intense indeed. You handled it like a true pro. BTW, I'm 12.5 hours into my PPL training over at KTMB. Started 3 weeks ago. I think I overheard you say in one of your vids, that you trained originally at KTMB. It's pretty busy here, so a good place to train it seems.
At 16:35 😂😂😂 if I had a dollar for every time I’ve said that, in that exact same tone in the cockpit.....
Well done!
U KEPT UR COOL! i love the foreflight screen recording, it adds so much Context.. keep it up!
If it was me, I would have just joined the conga line to runway 9. That was a lot of gear up and down and turn and stuff. Easy to get disoriented. The tower was overwhelmed but good landing all the same. I'm excited for when my little one actually understands flying and can get excited.
Handled like the professional you are sir, nice job.
Holy crap, Kris! That was like driving in MA ... only you were in the air! 😁 What a cluster-eff! Possible tower deviation - I have TWO numbers for you to call! ☝️
Was great to see the big smile on Jr.'s face there! I'm sure I'll be doing the same if I ever get a yoke in these hands. Would be great to see him and Kim (hey, that rhymes!) get their licenses around the same time.
Glad you're a quick thinker, Kris. I could see that becoming a bad day there for a rookie in that same situation - it's happened before, just like you described at the end! Thanks for sharing. Lots to learn from in this one! 👍🍻
Great skills with that mess at arrival. That smile on take off was PRICELESS 😃
Oh my goodness! I've never seen something like that. You managed really good and they've messed it up completely!
Loved seeing the smile on Kristoffer's face at the start of the takeoff roll, even after all these years I still have the smile when the power comes in. If the smile ever goes away I'll know its time to quit. Nice job of handling the confusion during landing lot of gear ups start just that way.
Another awesome video and great to see your son flying. But what a cluster f**k at the end!! Nice quick decision on the go-around to keep your flight safe. Great decision making under stress.
Great video, and kudos for handling a very confusing and stressful situation.
Crazy approach!!! WOW Good job keeping it together!
Well Done "BP"... You're driving the bus NOT ATC... if it's not right GO Around!
Nicely done. She was stressed. Cool headed flying. 👍✈️
Great landing and handling of all the "traffic" Kris! The busier the controller gets, the worst it gets for the pilots.
Baron Pilot is always way out ahead of the aircraft as he should be.
Great Job Baron pilot and Thanks for Instructing your son well Kim will be proud of him
Charlie Irvin I am proud, but disappointed I couldn’t be there to experience it! There’s always more flights ❤️✈️
Wow. ATC really got herself in a twist. Good lessons in how to remain calm and go around to live another day. Well flown sir.
Mamma said their would be days like that. I have found it best to keep my head on a swivel, listen to every call, and try and keep that mental picture of who's where, especially when a controller is on the verge and making mistakes like that. Good job of keeping your cool and not getting upset, because it wouldn't help a thing and possibly get you to making mistakes.
Wow, I wish I could have given you two thumbs up. Great job!
Well that was exciting! Great job!
Hello baron pilot, its very nice to see your son training. Hoping to meet up with you one day sitting in the right seat of your aircraft training also.
I cannot tell you the number of times a tower almost ran me into another airplane (mostly as a student pilot) -- IF I'd have let them. Controllers generally do a great job, but as in this case become completely lost and need a bit of help themselves. Even if on an IFR flight plan, always check that traffic and double check the instructions don't contradiction safe operation!
That was a hairy mess the way she had so much confusion going on. Job well done for Pilot in Command.
Great job Chris, that was crazy! Kinda glad Kim wasn’t there 😳👍
Wow, I was stressed just watching! Cool to see you and your son flying together! Thanks for sharing!
Nice work mate, managed the confusion well and kept flying the plane! Love ya work!
You made the right decision to go around, it is your decision, stay safe.
I've worked on airplanes for quite a few years now, a baron is a great recip
That airport is always a cluster.
That was mass confusion and a cluster ....... Great job
Not the same scenario but similar craziness but this immediately made me think of the crash in houston a few years back of a poor cirrus that was at the mercy of a controller.
I remembered reading the outcome of this crash
Are you talking about the one where the woman kept getting told to hurry up for airliners behind her, and ATC kept giving her more and more complex instructions the more fatigued she got? That was a really hard one to listen to. Her stress was palpable.
WOW!! Experience prevails once again. Great lesson for your boy. Nice job, cool vid
Wow that was crazy! Great decision making... Thanks for taking us along... :)
That was Crazy!
Wow. I think my go-around would have been more like go-somewhere-else! Nice job keeping it together. I can't go too hard on the tower either though. Sh*tload of landing traffic and two runways within 40 degrees of each other did not make her job easy.
19:46 Summary of video
Nice to see your son fly and not to sleep in the back Ha Ha Hope to see more of Christopher flying.
Wow, wow, real world!! I get that! That was amazing, probably one of your best!!
What year BE55? Love Barons, I flew one from 2IS to NJ a year ago. Almost flew my friends g58 again yesterday but had to go back up to Chicago to fly the jets... It’s TOO COLD UP HERE!!!! 😂
Whew, I've had days like that over at Orlando Exec and watching this brings me right back. Had a controller put me on a left downwind for 9 while she had another plane on a right downwind for 9 after a go-around on the crossing runway... then she turned us both base right at each other.
I think you've missed your calling, Chris. You're a natural instructor. That's a gift not everyone has. Very well done, sir.
Good job handling that stressful situation! You still greased that landing.
Well handled....
Wow, very busy airspace. You really need to be on your game in South FL.
Brian S and this is why Kristoffer wants me to learn over there! It’s great experience but wow!
Kris was getting a little frustrated there. Just have to be careful not to lose focus. He didn't, but something to be aware of, just staying cool in command.
I fly into FXE a lot on a Falcon and on on twin piston that I own to take into maintenance occasionally, now based in Pompano just because of the volume of flight training at FXE. The operator handled this well, often these situations lead to pilot error,,, bad DM, gear up landing or worse.
Chris that was a teachable moment...you handle it well! Kristoffer did a nice job as well flying the plane! Keep the VID's coming! Thanks. Don/NE Ohio
Gear well lubed and freely working. Check. Check. Check. 😉
Nice job Kristoffer ! Family ❤️🛫
That mess was a big old nope for me. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport and there was many times where the pattern was congested I just broke off fly a couple of miles away and wait for everything to settle down.
That's exactly what I would have done. Way too much going on there. Dangerous.
Totally agree - that's the comment I was going to write. Glad you got on the ground. I would have broken it off and circled for a while after the first gear down/gear up episode. Ridiculous. If the controller couldn't remember what runway you wanted 5 seconds earlier, I wonder if the position of all the other aircraft was really clear, either.
Wow. That was crazy. The important thing is you made good decisions and landing safely.
Kris, is that common at that airfield to direct you pass 9 to 13 if the traffic is heavy ?? Great video regarding heavy ATC traffic...
I work out of that airport and it is something I do everyday.
Holy crap. Great job staying ahead.
what a trip ? ! Your situational awareness really paid off. ATC was clearly having an off day but you were great at not letting that become a bigger problem.
Was that controller over whelmed or a written complaint in order. It's aparent that everyone was staked in way to closely. Great quick decision making to just take a go around. She shouldn't have tried to squeeze you in. It's a bad habit to get into. Oh I squeeze that t last guy in l will try it again. That may have a VERY bad outcome.
As soon as he came on the freq, your could hear the controller was behind the 8-ball with the other aircraft. He should have been ready for this 5 miles out. But what the hell do I know?
Yep.. what do we know ? Just hope what WE do know is going to keep everyone safe.