Maybe Saudi Arabia (no not uae/qatar) can pitch an idea that "all-expense-ours" u just get the infra running... it will get KSA transform as tech hub and alternate to chinese factory (c919) collaboration which both boeing and airbus are dumping ... despite boeing and airbus are sucked into in the next 7 year spiral/cycle of building next gen airframe, (yes that one with a weird 2nd V/U shaped wing under the main wing) KSA still have very smart tech to start from!!!
@@sandyy_2910nah. Emirates has way more, and uses it to basically push the hub-and-spoke model to the absolute max. The A380 is truly the Emirates plane.
I worked at the Airbus wing's factory at Broughton for 15 years and I can tell you there is no way Airbus can restart A380 wing production because all the jigs and tools have been removed bigger than the wing's themselves 😮😮😮
also both boeing and it are sucked into in the next 7 year spiral/cycle of building next gen airframe... that one with a weird 2nd V/U shaped wing under the main wing.
Airbus lost $25 billion USD on the a380 program. Airline companies abandoned the a380 as it was too costly to fill the a380 with enough passengers and having 4 engines meant double the maintenance cost. Now airlines want the a380 but Airbus said no as it won’t risk losing another several billions more to restarting the a380 program. If airliners want it so bad then bribe Airbus with $1 billion USD each a380 to restart the a380 program.
Tbh emirates was the only airline which actually used it to its potential, I think it could be really useful in really populated countries like in Asia for hub to hub transport
Maybe Saudi Arabia (no not uae/qatar) can pitch an idea that "all-expense-ours" u just get the infra running... it will get KSA transform as tech hub and alternate to chinese factory (c919) collaboration which both boeing and airbus are dumping ... despite boeing and airbus are sucked into in the next 7 year spiral/cycle of building next gen airframe, (yes that one with a weird 2nd V/U shaped wing under the main wing) KSA still have very smart tech to start from!!!
Mmmm even within Asia, widebody don't comprise all hub to hub flights. Maybe for very specific routes? I remember checking Beijing to Shanghai once and there were around 80 daily flights, most on narrow bodies. There is a lot of competition in Asia, which means lots of flights from lots of different companies, which kinda reduces the need for widebody flights. Short haul on widebodies is a thing you only see in Asia but it's not as widespread as it's made out to be.
Airbus A-380 is dangerous for other planes, as it leaves massive wake turbulence behind. So it's better to operate two smaller planes, especially in crowded airports with frequent takeoffs
It's the same as the 747, not enough airlines want them due to them being inefficient for how many passengers they carry. Plus it's more cost-effective for the manufacturer to make two a320s, or 737
Well that doesnt make sense. A380NEO would be an efficient version of an A380, which would 100% bring in more customers than the original 380. The actual problem is how much it costs to build them, airbus would need brand new facilities as the original ones no longer exist
Emirates figured out they could run 3 777s for the same cost as one A380. It’s hard to sell out an A380 to maximize utilization. The dwell time is longer on the ground to board/deboard. There’s less options for airports as the size increases. Bigger is not always better. The A350/777 size seems to be the most ideal for long haul.
@@vadwvea7153 Don't get me wrong bro I love these gigantic airliners as much as any enthusiast, but I also see the realistic cost and operating these gargantuan machines.
It's mind-boggling how the airlines don't want to buy the planes in production, then once they're out of production, the airlines want them. Airlines hold onto their planes for 25 years, yet they only plan for what they need here and now. Poor management.
I mean the post is just lieing. Maybe some airlines would want to buy like 2-3 A380, maybe Lufthansa or British Airways would go for 5-10. Compared to the total fleet size and the amount Airbus would need to produce to make a decent amount of money with them thats just not enough. The only airline interested in the A380 long term and in high volume is Emirates and you cant just build an airplane for one airline.
A380 was a gas guzzler, and expensive to maintan with four engines. Only a handful of airlines could make the economics work. Emirates was very vocal in their desire to keep the production line open, but didn't have enough order volume to support this. A simple re-engine would not be enough to save the A380 today. It would need a sizable redesign (or clean sheet design) focused on effichency, and for it to be a twin, not a quad engine plane.
@Scott-u1q My point is about airline companies that can't make up their minds on which planes to have in their fleets. If companies like Qantus, British Airways, and Lufthansa think the A380 is a gas guzzler now, why did they buy a bunch of them 15 years ago? They were gas guzzlers back then as well. The 747 was already starting to get phased out at that time. So what made these idiot CEOs think the A380 was a good idea?
The A380 was dead from the start. The 747 was designed as a cargo plane and also offered as a passenger plane. But Airbus didn't design the A380 to be a cargo plane, which could have made it successful.
I don't think that was the only problem. It also couldn't fit into as many airports as the 747 could. I think it would've had the best chance if it competed with the 747 early on, back when airports were still developing and hub-and-spoke models were still popular. But with the first flight as late as 2005, yeah, it didn't really stand a chance, with models like the A330, 777, and some narrowbodies like the 757 already being ready for the transition to the point-to-point model.
Should do retrofits with the winglets and more powerful engines idk how viable that will be but it’s possible if the demand for a upgraded jumbo is needed
They proposed this one in 2017. Winglet alone supposedly improved efficiency by 4% and the A380plus was supposed to have a 13% cost per seat reduction thanks to some additional improvements, like lower weight fuel pumps with higher reliability. They increased their reliability in general as well, allowing for a 33% increase of the timeframe between heavy checks of the systems. Sadly noone (other than Emirates) wanted it and Emirates cant keep the program alive alone. Maybe Lufthansa way gonna buy 1-2 as well or Air France, but noone other than Emirates was willing to place a decent amount of orders.
@@cjmillsnunthere are plenty of better engines out there it’s just the problem airbus has is that these engines will cause way more stress on the wings which need to be completely redesigned which rn they don’t have the facilities to make such changes
I wish there had been an A390 program from the beginning. Like there was with the A340/A330 That is a two engined version of the A380 Sure it would have had to wait for powerfull enough engines but it would have saved the program.
Recently saw a concept for a twin-engine 747 somewhere in the future for when engine manufacturers make a powerful enough engine But for the A380, it’s a lost cause…can’t be converted into a freighter, too heavy, too impractical…you’d be better off redesigning it or making a new plane entirely for that purpose. Or better still, use a 747
Would love to see Airbus start production of A380 again but unfortunately I think we will never see that in our lifetime!! This chapter is closed!! They may however stretch the A350 which could probably hold as many passengers as A380! That’s probably the likely scenario but nothing has been announced as of yet so unlikely we will see that flying before 20 years from now!!
If Emirates would have wanted it, they would have made it happen, but Airbus needs to make money on planes they produce. Emirates wasnt willing to pay the price necessary to keep the program alive and other airlines were simply not interested.
Times have changed and there is demand for the A380 not only from Emirates. I am sure Air France already regrets their decision to decommission theirs. If Emirates makes a larger non refundable deposit I am sure a production line could be built in Dubai. Qatar Airways, Ethiad, Qantas and Lufthansa are potential customers too. You have to think outside the box.
To be honest, Airbus is making record profits, and they need to build more factories anyway because of a320 demand. They just need to set up a new modern factory where it will be easy to in the future change which aircraft is assembled. They need tix production regardless, maybe even balance it between different variants. Then, they need to produce fewer a380neos at a time to make the new program more financially efficient over its lifespan. I believe it's very possible
What’s the lead time to build the factory? Build the machines used to build the parts? Staff and train the humans? If these times are too long then you may have a factory and no product to build because the potential customers may no longer want that product.
Airbus ended the A380 production too early in my opinion, wimping out during temporary drop in demand that was always going to end eventually - the line should have been mothballed at most. Second mistake was not making the A380 easily convertable to a cargo plane (the 747 was originally built as a cargo plane, that it ended up carrying passengers was entirely an accident so it was easy for it to go back). In Airbus's defence they offered to build a version with more efficient engines before shutting down the line but the only airline that was interested was Emirates and Airbus didn't want to do it for one airline.
It's more costly then paper work you can't switch engine directly there's legal problems and paper work to do nor the airline or Airbus wants to do . When it's manufacturers the design is registered any changes later after do many years arent allowed they can but the paperwork headache and cost they aren't interested. Then there's not much airlines who use a380 . A380 is suited for long distance volume flight from bigger airports like nyk . Uae , Shanghai, new Delhi , Tokyo. Etc. In such cases it's cost effective but majority regional travel and medium distance it is not . Most airlines smaller and medium size is more cost effective. There's not much units of a380 sold compared to other's so it's not profitable maybe profit but little. Then you can't change engine directly there's lot more change electronic system for it adjust the fuel gauge and filters for the newer engine. Then changes on flight computer for the new engine. Basically time , cost, less profit, legal and paperwork. Can be possible but now now
@@arghyaprotimhalder5592 you missed a huge point that you’d have to redo the entire wing to fit such engines and they don’t have the facilities for that either
Why not just re-engine existing airframes, since many have been retired at a relative young age with few cycles. Since engines are pretty much the bulk of efficiency, just swap them and be done. The oldest A380s arte about 17-18 years old, in contrast to some B777, B767, A330, and even narrow-bodies, that are almost 30 years old and perfectly flying. Just overhaul them and keep them flying.
Let’s see, build more of the jets with a decade of backlog of firm orders despite massive production capacity, or one with two airlines giving a maybe in the single digits. Very hard to see which way to decide.
I mean they did offer to make a NEO and I think a slightly longer version. The main point is as you say they dont buily any A380 anyway, no matter which engine. The only customer interested in more A380 was emirates, but one airline and their handfull of orders couldnt justify keeping that assembly line going. It was just not good for business..
If Emirates got an Engine Upgrade & lower Maintenance Costs guarantee, they would order 300 of them. And that would have airlines tripping over each other to get with Airbus. Money talks. I bet they build a new assembly building
I am pretty sure the efficiency gain would be better for the climate so that would be poney well spend for me, they definitely have the money/profit they just want more of it in their pockets instead of in building new stuff.
Not only that, engines are typically 1/3 of the total cost of an airliner. New engines alone would cost roughly $120 million per plane, not including engineering and development costs.
Engines have spiral on them in order to help ground's crew determine if an engine is running. If you can see the spiral, the engine is probably not running.
@@faiznasruddin6596 With that logic I guess logic itself isn’t your strong suit either… Cause judging from the reply you made to the other guy, I wouldn’t know if the creator changed the title. Plus I don’t see many other comments talking about what you are…
Rolls Royce and GE are both developing very large engines, far larger then any current commercial plane requires - is this just to see how far they can go or could Airbus or Boeing be working on a twin engine with A380/747 size?
Apparently the Trent XWB can't handle the hot, dusty climate of the Middle East, and that's where most A380s are based. The maintenance frequency is apparently way too high for Emirates to buy A350-1000's with that same engine, and Rolls Royce got into a dispute in the press with Emirates over their characterization of the XWB as "defective" due to its 'low wing time'
Given the a380 caused Airbus to lose millions of dollars, they probably don’t seem keen to restart production. Also they would have to spend years to develop the plane and reopen factories and that would just be for a slightly modified failed plane.
Because unlike Boeing, Airbus knows they don’t have the ability to make it happen right now, with their current customer needs and they don’t let themselves be bullied by airline companies, just to make even more money.
Surely they don't need to replace every aircraft like for like. Clue is in the name. Put new engines on existing models and charge airlines who choose this option for the work
Airbus should not consider restarting A380 airframe production n the short/medium term. Too late, too expensive, better business elsewhere. But Airbus should definitely have a NEO retrofit program certified, for existing A380s to get much more cost efficient for the airlines profit. This is easy and not very expensive. Emirates alone could fund it. The actual upgrades of each aircraft could then be performed by some MRO industry leaders already experienced with the A380.
Airbus made a boob in building the a380. Although the greatest airliner ever built it is just too big. The twin engine lower capacity is the way to go. The a350 ticks this box perfectly. The super luxury business classes was overkill also.
Airbus tried to modernize the A380 and was met with no interest from its customers. The A380 is unpractical for any sort of day to day operations for most airlines. Only a hand full of airports are capable of supporting it, and the demand for bulk travel to a single destination doesn’t justify it when you can use smaller, more efficient aircraft to do the same job.
Instead of just rebuilding the entire design, why won't the airlines just send them to airbus for a simple engine upgrade. Why does every reskined aircraft model have to be completely new build? All airbus would be doing is just swapping the engines.
because airbus only lost money with the original a380 program and only got a fraction of the orders they had originally projected what makes you think they would consider making an updated version of it
Why do they need to build new A380NEOs? Why not refurbish & re-engine the existing aeroplanes of airlines who’d like the New Engine Option. Airbus would only need a couple of large hangars rather than a complete assembly line.
All of that money they would be saving would go towards building the facility to build an A380 Neo. Kind of reminds me of this Heating and Cooling guy trying to sell me an energy efficient furnace that was going to cost me $12,000. So whatever money I would be saving an energy would be going towards the $12,000 unit. It would take several years to break even and then save. By then I would move and somebody else would reap those benefits.
Emirates is the airline that actually used its A380 to its full potential and still uses it
Maybe Saudi Arabia (no not uae/qatar) can pitch an idea that "all-expense-ours" u just get the infra running... it will get KSA transform as tech hub and alternate to chinese factory (c919) collaboration which both boeing and airbus are dumping ... despite boeing and airbus are sucked into in the next 7 year spiral/cycle of building next gen airframe, (yes that one with a weird 2nd V/U shaped wing under the main wing) KSA still have very smart tech to start from!!!
They and Singapore airlines 😅😂
Etihad too
@@sandyy_2910nah. Emirates has way more, and uses it to basically push the hub-and-spoke model to the absolute max. The A380 is truly the Emirates plane.
Emirates, Singapore, British Airways, Qatar Airways, Qantas, Etihad, Korean Air, Asiana Airlines, and ANA still operates the A380
I worked at the Airbus wing's factory at Broughton for 15 years and I can tell you there is no way Airbus can restart A380 wing production because all the jigs and tools have been removed bigger than the wing's themselves 😮😮😮
Dang it is hard to build is wings
Such a shame.
I was on the Broughton site as a supplier to Airbus just as the last wings were being made for the a380. What is now being made on that area?
also both boeing and it are sucked into in the next 7 year spiral/cycle of building next gen airframe... that one with a weird 2nd V/U shaped wing under the main wing.
@@mi1400 that is going to be a pain in the butt to produce. Definitely wouldn’t trust Boeing with it, under any circumstance!
Airbus lost $25 billion USD on the a380 program. Airline companies abandoned the a380 as it was too costly to fill the a380 with enough passengers and having 4 engines meant double the maintenance cost. Now airlines want the a380 but Airbus said no as it won’t risk losing another several billions more to restarting the a380 program. If airliners want it so bad then bribe Airbus with $1 billion USD each a380 to restart the a380 program.
Didn't Emirates.already offer that?
Thank god for EU to continue to fund their contraptions.
Airbus didn’t lose 25 billion on the program. The taxpayers lost 25 billion. Privatized protists but public losses.
@@okay_then3337 Exactly
They made well over 100 billion from a380. Keep your bs to yourself
Tbh emirates was the only airline which actually used it to its potential, I think it could be really useful in really populated countries like in Asia for hub to hub transport
Indigo in india would prolly make the jumbo a single class and do flights to gcc
Maybe Saudi Arabia (no not uae/qatar) can pitch an idea that "all-expense-ours" u just get the infra running... it will get KSA transform as tech hub and alternate to chinese factory (c919) collaboration which both boeing and airbus are dumping ... despite boeing and airbus are sucked into in the next 7 year spiral/cycle of building next gen airframe, (yes that one with a weird 2nd V/U shaped wing under the main wing) KSA still have very smart tech to start from!!!
Singapore Airlines
Mmmm even within Asia, widebody don't comprise all hub to hub flights. Maybe for very specific routes? I remember checking Beijing to Shanghai once and there were around 80 daily flights, most on narrow bodies. There is a lot of competition in Asia, which means lots of flights from lots of different companies, which kinda reduces the need for widebody flights. Short haul on widebodies is a thing you only see in Asia but it's not as widespread as it's made out to be.
Airbus A-380 is dangerous for other planes, as it leaves massive wake turbulence behind. So it's better to operate two smaller planes, especially in crowded airports with frequent takeoffs
It's the same as the 747, not enough airlines want them due to them being inefficient for how many passengers they carry. Plus it's more cost-effective for the manufacturer to make two a320s, or 737
Well that doesnt make sense. A380NEO would be an efficient version of an A380, which would 100% bring in more customers than the original 380. The actual problem is how much it costs to build them, airbus would need brand new facilities as the original ones no longer exist
Emirates figured out they could run 3 777s for the same cost as one A380. It’s hard to sell out an A380 to maximize utilization. The dwell time is longer on the ground to board/deboard. There’s less options for airports as the size increases. Bigger is not always better. The A350/777 size seems to be the most ideal for long haul.
@@yolo_burrito 👆👆
@@vadwvea7153 Don't get me wrong bro I love these gigantic airliners as much as any enthusiast, but I also see the realistic cost and operating these gargantuan machines.
One problem is that unlike the 747 it can't be resold and used as a freighter.
Just wait until Boeing goes tits-up and use one of Boeing's abandoned factories.
They’re too big to fail. Keep dreaming
The US Government won't allow them to fall. Remember they killed a whistleblower on behalf of Boeing
Boeing is already dead.
They ain’t gonna shut down any time soon
they're commercial side might but their defense contracts are trillions and keep the commercial side profitavke courtesy of us taxpayer
A380 is a very comfortable and quiet plane for long hauls. One of my favs.
There are a bunch of A380s sitting dormant in various deserts. Take those and refurbish them. Replace the engines if need be.
It's mind-boggling how the airlines don't want to buy the planes in production, then once they're out of production, the airlines want them. Airlines hold onto their planes for 25 years, yet they only plan for what they need here and now. Poor management.
I mean the post is just lieing. Maybe some airlines would want to buy like 2-3 A380, maybe Lufthansa or British Airways would go for 5-10.
Compared to the total fleet size and the amount Airbus would need to produce to make a decent amount of money with them thats just not enough. The only airline interested in the A380 long term and in high volume is Emirates and you cant just build an airplane for one airline.
A380 was a gas guzzler, and expensive to maintan with four engines.
Only a handful of airlines could make the economics work.
Emirates was very vocal in their desire to keep the production line open, but didn't have enough order volume to support this.
A simple re-engine would not be enough to save the A380 today. It would need a sizable redesign (or clean sheet design) focused on effichency, and for it to be a twin, not a quad engine plane.
@Scott-u1q My point is about airline companies that can't make up their minds on which planes to have in their fleets. If companies like Qantus, British Airways, and Lufthansa think the A380 is a gas guzzler now, why did they buy a bunch of them 15 years ago? They were gas guzzlers back then as well. The 747 was already starting to get phased out at that time. So what made these idiot CEOs think the A380 was a good idea?
I wish they would! They definitely should make an A380-900neo
900neo?
Probably meet -800
A380-800neo?
@@vantageracingleague5084because the A380 is the A380-800
@@harveyleesgaming824 exactly. That’s why I wondered
The A380 was dead from the start. The 747 was designed as a cargo plane and also offered as a passenger plane. But Airbus didn't design the A380 to be a cargo plane, which could have made it successful.
Why do you think it was dead from the start
Do you think the A380 could easily be adapted for cargo?
I don't think that was the only problem. It also couldn't fit into as many airports as the 747 could.
I think it would've had the best chance if it competed with the 747 early on, back when airports were still developing and hub-and-spoke models were still popular. But with the first flight as late as 2005, yeah, it didn't really stand a chance, with models like the A330, 777, and some narrowbodies like the 757 already being ready for the transition to the point-to-point model.
@@bwpyrotechnics1272 A380 is heaps more expensive to build, and it's hard to fill it with passengers. 4 engines are also a nightmare for maintenance
@@Chrono_topher are they nightmare because of the cost or because of long time aircraft being grounded
Should do retrofits with the winglets and more powerful engines idk how viable that will be but it’s possible if the demand for a upgraded jumbo is needed
Airlines send back one aircraft at a time, retrofit with new engines, aero parts and software
They proposed this one in 2017. Winglet alone supposedly improved efficiency by 4% and the A380plus was supposed to have a 13% cost per seat reduction thanks to some additional improvements, like lower weight fuel pumps with higher reliability. They increased their reliability in general as well, allowing for a 33% increase of the timeframe between heavy checks of the systems.
Sadly noone (other than Emirates) wanted it and Emirates cant keep the program alive alone.
Maybe Lufthansa way gonna buy 1-2 as well or Air France, but noone other than Emirates was willing to place a decent amount of orders.
No one makes a suitable engine.
@@cjmillsnunthere are plenty of better engines out there it’s just the problem airbus has is that these engines will cause way more stress on the wings which need to be completely redesigned which rn they don’t have the facilities to make such changes
The A380 is dead, Coby. You know this!
No
Not true!
Never has been true and isn’t true now!
Its not
Guys, please. Recall the days when we thought this was the platfrom of the future. It was a very short future. Many reasons, as you know.
I wish there had been an A390 program from the beginning. Like there was with the A340/A330 That is a two engined version of the A380 Sure it would have had to wait for powerfull enough engines but it would have saved the program.
Even 2 ge9x wouldn’t be able to lift the a380 off the ground, it would take 3 of them
Recently saw a concept for a twin-engine 747 somewhere in the future for when engine manufacturers make a powerful enough engine
But for the A380, it’s a lost cause…can’t be converted into a freighter, too heavy, too impractical…you’d be better off redesigning it or making a new plane entirely for that purpose. Or better still, use a 747
Please make another short 🙏
Just upgrade the engines on the current airline aircrafts.
You have to redesign the entire wing to do that
Building anything A380 isn’t considered easy lol. They aren’t making more because even the original is being retired early.
Would love to see Airbus start production of A380 again but unfortunately I think we will never see that in our lifetime!! This chapter is closed!! They may however stretch the A350 which could probably hold as many passengers as A380! That’s probably the likely scenario but nothing has been announced as of yet so unlikely we will see that flying before 20 years from now!!
If Airbus doesn’t build it, Emirates will build it any way
No
If Emirates would have wanted it, they would have made it happen, but Airbus needs to make money on planes they produce. Emirates wasnt willing to pay the price necessary to keep the program alive and other airlines were simply not interested.
Don't be daft. Airliner manufacture and airliner operations are completely different things.
Times have changed and there is demand for the A380 not only from Emirates. I am sure Air France already regrets their decision to decommission theirs. If Emirates makes a larger non refundable deposit I am sure a production line could be built in Dubai. Qatar Airways, Ethiad, Qantas and Lufthansa are potential customers too. You have to think outside the box.
This is the perfect opportunity for Airbus and Boeing to partner mainly because Airbus has the idea and Boeing has the resources… until now…
To be honest, Airbus is making record profits, and they need to build more factories anyway because of a320 demand.
They just need to set up a new modern factory where it will be easy to in the future change which aircraft is assembled. They need tix production regardless, maybe even balance it between different variants.
Then, they need to produce fewer a380neos at a time to make the new program more financially efficient over its lifespan.
I believe it's very possible
It's not possible dude.
What’s the lead time to build the factory? Build the machines used to build the parts? Staff and train the humans? If these times are too long then you may have a factory and no product to build because the potential customers may no longer want that product.
Upgrading the Jet woulb be a "BREEZE"😅😂
BEAUTIFUL and APTur-bueu"-ence
If they built the a380neo they would've put eyeliner on it😂
Mfs2020 showcases that the mask on an a380 doesn’t look to bad tbh
No way, G-XLEF I’ve seen that exact beauty, it’s an amazing plane
Why refresh a aircraft that failed to sell
It wouldn't be that expensive at all... except actually it would because they'd have to build new facilities to do it...
Yeah, I could have seen how that would have been hard, but it would be really cool if they had done it
Everyone want a380 , for 1 reason. That's the size, kids everywhere
Airbus ended the A380 production too early in my opinion, wimping out during temporary drop in demand that was always going to end eventually - the line should have been mothballed at most. Second mistake was not making the A380 easily convertable to a cargo plane (the 747 was originally built as a cargo plane, that it ended up carrying passengers was entirely an accident so it was easy for it to go back). In Airbus's defence they offered to build a version with more efficient engines before shutting down the line but the only airline that was interested was Emirates and Airbus didn't want to do it for one airline.
Why can't you just replace the engines at a380s that are already built?
It's more costly then paper work you can't switch engine directly there's legal problems and paper work to do nor the airline or Airbus wants to do . When it's manufacturers the design is registered any changes later after do many years arent allowed they can but the paperwork headache and cost they aren't interested.
Then there's not much airlines who use a380 .
A380 is suited for long distance volume flight from bigger airports like nyk . Uae , Shanghai, new Delhi , Tokyo. Etc.
In such cases it's cost effective but majority regional travel and medium distance it is not . Most airlines smaller and medium size is more cost effective.
There's not much units of a380 sold compared to other's so it's not profitable maybe profit but little.
Then you can't change engine directly there's lot more change electronic system for it adjust the fuel gauge and filters for the newer engine. Then changes on flight computer for the new engine.
Basically time , cost, less profit, legal and paperwork.
Can be possible but now now
@@arghyaprotimhalder5592 you missed a huge point that you’d have to redo the entire wing to fit such engines and they don’t have the facilities for that either
Sharklets could be added to the A380 Neo
Un nez pointu, des Winglets Sharklet un masque de Raton laveur un design similaire aux A350 NPS ça aurait pu donner un plus
@@Zorroxyz123 they tried that with the A380 plus and no one wanted it
Emirates would love airbus forever and ever, because not only will they re-start the a380, but it'd be more efficient, making the plane more managable
Why not just re-engine existing airframes, since many have been retired at a relative young age with few cycles. Since engines are pretty much the bulk of efficiency, just swap them and be done. The oldest A380s arte about 17-18 years old, in contrast to some B777, B767, A330, and even narrow-bodies, that are almost 30 years old and perfectly flying. Just overhaul them and keep them flying.
And what engines would they fit. No one has designed a suitable engine.
@@cjmillsnunI’m just repeating myself at this point
They need an A340-600 V2
“Building the A380 NEO would be easy” spoken like someone who truly doesn’t know what they’re talking about
Hear me out A340 NEO
I love to see that...but airbus replace it
The neo variant of the a340 is the a330 900neo
It's quad engine, airlines doesn't like that, expensive to maintain than twin engines.
@@gfysb00 you have a good point online stranger.
Let’s see, build more of the jets with a decade of backlog of firm orders despite massive production capacity, or one with two airlines giving a maybe in the single digits. Very hard to see which way to decide.
Airbus threw itself under the bus with the A380 ,a big double decker bus 🚌
The 380 is a much more technically advanced aircraft than what people give it credit for
Because the A350 series is meeting all the demand successfully
I mean they did offer to make a NEO and I think a slightly longer version. The main point is as you say they dont buily any A380 anyway, no matter which engine.
The only customer interested in more A380 was emirates, but one airline and their handfull of orders couldnt justify keeping that assembly line going. It was just not good for business..
If Emirates got an Engine Upgrade & lower Maintenance Costs guarantee, they would order 300 of them. And that would have airlines tripping over each other to get with Airbus. Money talks. I bet they build a new assembly building
flew on an AirFrance A380, business class, very quiet and roomy
Bro making a A340neo is too in my point of view, just change the 4 engines into 2 and make the wings broader. it may compete with the 777x
then it would no longer be an a340
not to mention airbus already has the a350-1000 with more range than the 900 variant any and all need for the a340 is gone
A twin engined A340 exists. It's called the A330.
Fun fact : the a380 neo actually exists in flywings 2016 as seen in a video where swiss001 reviews it
I am pretty sure the efficiency gain would be better for the climate so that would be poney well spend for me, they definitely have the money/profit they just want more of it in their pockets instead of in building new stuff.
They should rename the A321XLR to A322LR or something. IDK I mean it's much easier that way.
What does neo mean when a plane has it like the a321 neo
Not only that, engines are typically 1/3 of the total cost of an airliner. New engines alone would cost roughly $120 million per plane, not including engineering and development costs.
The only way the a380 could see a neo is if it was a twin engine. Few if any airlines would want a quadjet
They could hire a company to refit older airframes with the new generation of jets
Engines have spiral on them in order to help ground's crew determine if an engine is running. If you can see the spiral, the engine is probably not running.
That’s not what the video is talking about
You good bro?☠️
@@Arado_Missile they changed the name of the reel. it was "did you wonder why the Boeing doesn't not have spirals on their fans"
@@pwrcaelenx readings not your strong suit eh?
@@faiznasruddin6596 With that logic I guess logic itself isn’t your strong suit either…
Cause judging from the reply you made to the other guy, I wouldn’t know if the creator changed the title. Plus I don’t see many other comments talking about what you are…
Airbus .. revive the “Jumbo” .. 🤷♂️
In Hamburg there is a a380 assembly building used to paint other airplains.
It is the A321 neo at the A380’s factory now
probable strategy- just build it at the customers hangar thats big i guess?
There were 250 A380 built over 15-18 years. The demand isn't there.
I flew on a A380 once, it was amazing.
May be Airbus should transfer and ask Boeing to build the A380-Neo. Of course u need Guarantee for minimum order.😂😂😂😂
What and have the doors falling off?
You say in the beginning it “would be easy” then go on to explain how complicated it is for 1 minute straight
Awesome Engeenearing by Airbus
Coby do a video on Indigo's recent order for the A350-900
Rolls Royce and GE are both developing very large engines, far larger then any current commercial plane requires - is this just to see how far they can go or could Airbus or Boeing be working on a twin engine with A380/747 size?
Dont worry, they can use my backyard
A380 NEO would need new engines and a new wing. Definitely not a breeze.
15% in efficiency is WILD
Just upgrade the current plane engines
Airlines also wanted the a380 regular, look what happened
imagine a380 with boeing wingtips
Could Airbus make a bigger version of the A350 like a A350 1200?
Against a couple millions I’d gladly allow them to build a supply chain in my garden
the future is in the composite more efficient twin engine wide-bodies I think
Apparently the Trent XWB can't handle the hot, dusty climate of the Middle East, and that's where most A380s are based. The maintenance frequency is apparently way too high for Emirates to buy A350-1000's with that same engine, and Rolls Royce got into a dispute in the press with Emirates over their characterization of the XWB as "defective" due to its 'low wing time'
But they bought 65 A350s
@@AtlasAirwaysye 900 variant , the main reason they didn’t get the 1000 is cuz of the engines
Given the a380 caused Airbus to lose millions of dollars, they probably don’t seem keen to restart production. Also they would have to spend years to develop the plane and reopen factories and that would just be for a slightly modified failed plane.
If airlines open their checkbooks and make prepaid payments for at least 100 A380 Neo aircrafts. I can assure you that Airbus will make it happen.
Doubt it, still wouldn't even cover the cost
Coby is a good name 👍
Why not reengine the 380 as opposed to building new aircraft.
Because unlike Boeing, Airbus knows they don’t have the ability to make it happen right now, with their current customer needs and they don’t let themselves be bullied by airline companies, just to make even more money.
If I remember right the tour in Hamburg they have empty hangers of the 380, what would make sense because the 380 is huge. but I don't know for sure.
Why don't build a new facility for the A320 neo, and as soon as the A380 neo is seeced just use it for the A320 neo
That's only half the problem. The Maintenance Costs are much higher than Airbus claimed & that's why Airlines sent the planes to the Boneyard
"The A380 NO"
Surely they don't need to replace every aircraft like for like. Clue is in the name. Put new engines on existing models and charge airlines who choose this option for the work
Airbus should not consider restarting A380 airframe production n the short/medium term. Too late, too expensive, better business elsewhere.
But Airbus should definitely have a NEO retrofit program certified, for existing A380s to get much more cost efficient for the airlines profit. This is easy and not very expensive. Emirates alone could fund it. The actual upgrades of each aircraft could then be performed by some MRO industry leaders already experienced with the A380.
No, it wouldn't be easy, and yes it would demand a huge investment.
Airbus made a boob in building the a380. Although the greatest airliner ever built it is just too big. The twin engine lower capacity is the way to go. The a350 ticks this box perfectly. The super luxury business classes was overkill also.
I would love to see the A380 and 747 both return to production. But, that's just my wish. I can hope against the odds.
Why not retrofitted on older plans
It’s good as it is
Airbus tried to modernize the A380 and was met with no interest from its customers. The A380 is unpractical for any sort of day to day operations for most airlines. Only a hand full of airports are capable of supporting it, and the demand for bulk travel to a single destination doesn’t justify it when you can use smaller, more efficient aircraft to do the same job.
All a matter of time also just a small amount of pressure. Mark my words.
Instead of just rebuilding the entire design, why won't the airlines just send them to airbus for a simple engine upgrade. Why does every reskined aircraft model have to be completely new build? All airbus would be doing is just swapping the engines.
because airbus only lost money with the original a380 program and only got a fraction of the orders they had originally projected
what makes you think they would consider making an updated version of it
Can’t they just retro fit a test 380 with the xwb and get it certified then retro fit airline’s jets, or is that really far fetched
Why do they need to build new A380NEOs?
Why not refurbish & re-engine the existing aeroplanes of airlines who’d like the New Engine Option. Airbus would only need a couple of large hangars rather than a complete assembly line.
for the a380 programm to contiune emitrates,qatar,singapore or other airliens needs to want it realy bad
All of that money they would be saving would go towards building the facility to build an A380 Neo. Kind of reminds me of this Heating and Cooling guy trying to sell me an energy efficient furnace that was going to cost me $12,000. So whatever money I would be saving an energy would be going towards the $12,000 unit. It would take several years to break even and then save. By then I would move and somebody else would reap those benefits.
Airbus needs to expand production and get more floorspace anyhow, this os not connected to any particular model.
Lufthansa on the way to do that (they already do that with the 747)