As someone who has never even been to a road race, I found this to be absolutely fascinating. It was like an old discovery channel documentary (back when they did real ones). Just all great information both in the footage and from the commentary. * Applause *
Been racing and coached for years and I still learn so much from u guy’s methods of breaking down a situation in a race from start to finish ! Love this shit ...... make as many vids as ya’ll can
This is an incredible insight from an experienced pro. I can't believe this is free. Please keep uploading. For someone like me who is new to racing, this is soooooooooo helpful. Thank you and keep it up please.
I'm really pleased the trainerroad youtube account has come alive lately with the kind of quality I've come to expect from you all at this point. Well done as usual.
Super useful stuff guys. Thanks for taking the time on this and following the NorCal template is a good plan. It’ll be fun once Nate is a 3 and you get the two of you and Jonathan in some P123 races. One thing I’d add is to make mention of wind direction. Maybe there’s an icon or text that can live next to the course map as it’s always useful to know? What would be the best would be a wind vane that moves as you circle the course so we see how that direction effects positioning. Also, once you do have teammates in a race pointing them out early. Pretty much every Utuber seems to assume we know what their team kit looks like.
Really pants advice at the end where the Racer says to cut across on the last corner to shorten the sprint. Once the sprint has opened up then you should not go across the road as recommended here. You can slowly go across but only slightly. You'll cause a crash otherwise. You have got to hold your line in the corners and in the sprint. The lesson in the sprint is to never follow Tim in the sprint. You have to look and analyse who is the strongest and best rider. Then keep them close and go where they go and when they get to the finish, you'll be right behind and in a good position. If you leave such a big gap to the next wheel then others will barge in and take your wheel. You need to be about a yard behind the wheel in front and that will stop others from coming in and you losing position.
Was the 40k TT documentary ever posted or still a work in progress? I wasn’t able to find it. Working my way through older podcasts while keeping up with new ones and it was mentioned a video would be made. Thanks!
TrainerRoad thanks for the reply. Bummer. Love my cycling vids/documentaries. I’ve watched “The Chase” like 6+ times haha. Would love to see more videos like it. These race analysis vids are great, especially while on the trainer. Thanks again!
This is a really interesting video and also very inspiring to try out to join cycling races myself. Are these race for pro only or are there races available for amateurs? I am based in NYC, and I'm trying to find out more about these type of races in NYC, but I don't know what keyword I should use to find out more about these type of races. Is there a name for these type of race or amateur cycling races?
Nate, great analysis of your positioning. One comment I'd make as an experienced rider and coach is that you spend too much time out in the wind instead of being on the wheel. Leaving a gap to the side of the rider in front basically opens the door to someone coming past. Its preferable to look through the rider in front to see whats happening and only move into the wind when its a deliberate action to move up or back if too close to the front if you dont want to work. Otherwise awesome seated sprint - just like Ed Clancy.
Ray Pugh I agree with you. Sometimes it’s because someone pushed me out; I’m not really good at fighting for wheels. Other times I’m on the side so that I can get into a move if it happens, sometimes I’m on the side not doing very much power...but in general I need to draft more.
You can keep a gap to move out to cover moves by just keeping your bars ahead of the guy trying to move past you -just keep some pressure on the pedals. When they give up, slot back on the wheel. Needs peripheral vision and a strong will. Its YOUR wheel -not theirs.
The analysis missed a big one -- you should have jumped a few seconds earlier, maybe between 9:14-9:17. If you had, you would have had a huge run at them and they wouldn't have been able to react in time. You're floating several feet off the back of a group. You have a long sit down sprint. That gap through the last turn wasn't necessarily fatal if you knew how to use it.
@@TrainerRoad ah okay, heard you mention it on the podcast some time ago but I now realize you were talking about this race, Anyhow getting second is a Sprint well done imo ;)
I can't believe this is free lol. Amazing insight, just like the podcast. Please release as many of these as possible!
As someone who has never even been to a road race, I found this to be absolutely fascinating.
It was like an old discovery channel documentary (back when they did real ones). Just all great information both in the footage and from the commentary. * Applause *
Been racing and coached for years and I still learn so much from u guy’s methods of breaking down a situation in a race from start to finish ! Love this shit ...... make as many vids as ya’ll can
We'll keep 'em coming!
This is an incredible insight from an experienced pro. I can't believe this is free. Please keep uploading. For someone like me who is new to racing, this is soooooooooo helpful. Thank you and keep it up please.
So glad you're liking these videos! Anything we can do to help you learn and get faster is a win for us :)
I'm really pleased the trainerroad youtube account has come alive lately with the kind of quality I've come to expect from you all at this point. Well done as usual.
Super useful stuff guys. Thanks for taking the time on this and following the NorCal template is a good plan. It’ll be fun once Nate is a 3 and you get the two of you and Jonathan in some P123 races. One thing I’d add is to make mention of wind direction. Maybe there’s an icon or text that can live next to the course map as it’s always useful to know? What would be the best would be a wind vane that moves as you circle the course so we see how that direction effects positioning.
Also, once you do have teammates in a race pointing them out early. Pretty much every Utuber seems to assume we know what their team kit looks like.
Good idea for wind direction. At this race there was very little to no wind.
Really pants advice at the end where the Racer says to cut across on the last corner to shorten the sprint. Once the sprint has opened up then you should not go across the road as recommended here. You can slowly go across but only slightly. You'll cause a crash otherwise. You have got to hold your line in the corners and in the sprint. The lesson in the sprint is to never follow Tim in the sprint. You have to look and analyse who is the strongest and best rider. Then keep them close and go where they go and when they get to the finish, you'll be right behind and in a good position. If you leave such a big gap to the next wheel then others will barge in and take your wheel. You need to be about a yard behind the wheel in front and that will stop others from coming in and you losing position.
Wow- super useful and fun to watch while doing a workout too. Keep these coming please!
I just subscribed due to this!!! You guys are officially on my short list!
This is so useful and oddly exhilarating! thanks!
These videos are brilliant. Very knowledgeable also 👍🏼
That moment when you like a video before you watch it because you know it's going to be good... :)
The Trainerroad content on TH-cam is amazing. Also, I'm going to check out the TrainerRoad training software. No reason anymore to keep zwifting!^^
Thanks, guys!
Just wow! Amazing content
Crit and golf? Perfect
You cal/vegas people are funny. "Havent raced together in a few months". More like 7 months in the mid west
Lol yurrrr 216 reporting in
Was the 40k TT documentary ever posted or still a work in progress? I wasn’t able to find it. Working my way through older podcasts while keeping up with new ones and it was mentioned a video would be made. Thanks!
We never made it. Turned out to not have a good story so we scrapped it.
TrainerRoad thanks for the reply. Bummer. Love my cycling vids/documentaries. I’ve watched “The Chase” like 6+ times haha. Would love to see more videos like it. These race analysis vids are great, especially while on the trainer. Thanks again!
Freakin awesome stuff.
Great video as usual! What camera did you use and what software did you use to generate the power data dashboard? Garmin VIRB app?
GoPro Hero 7 + Garmin Virb Software
This is a really interesting video and also very inspiring to try out to join cycling races myself. Are these race for pro only or are there races available for amateurs? I am based in NYC, and I'm trying to find out more about these type of races in NYC, but I don't know what keyword I should use to find out more about these type of races. Is there a name for these type of race or amateur cycling races?
Ask around your local bike shops, and use www.usacycling.org/events to find races near you!
Nate, great analysis of your positioning. One comment I'd make as an experienced rider and coach is that you spend too much time out in the wind instead of being on the wheel. Leaving a gap to the side of the rider in front basically opens the door to someone coming past. Its preferable to look through the rider in front to see whats happening and only move into the wind when its a deliberate action to move up or back if too close to the front if you dont want to work. Otherwise awesome seated sprint - just like Ed Clancy.
Ray Pugh I agree with you. Sometimes it’s because someone pushed me out; I’m not really good at fighting for wheels. Other times I’m on the side so that I can get into a move if it happens, sometimes I’m on the side not doing very much power...but in general I need to draft more.
You can keep a gap to move out to cover moves by just keeping your bars ahead of the guy trying to move past you -just keep some pressure on the pedals. When they give up, slot back on the wheel. Needs peripheral vision and a strong will. Its YOUR wheel -not theirs.
@@TrainerRoad Push them back
The analysis missed a big one -- you should have jumped a few seconds earlier, maybe between 9:14-9:17. If you had, you would have had a huge run at them and they wouldn't have been able to react in time. You're floating several feet off the back of a group. You have a long sit down sprint. That gap through the last turn wasn't necessarily fatal if you knew how to use it.
TobuConQueso if he had pedaled through the last turn he would have won. He took it wide and didn’t pedal which caused the gap.
I used outside, inside, inside, inside, outside and it really worked well
Great vid guys, what's with the seated Sprint tho?
Wahjoost I literally hadn’t sprinted for 8 years :). The next day I actually sprinted out of the saddle. I’ll work on that.
@@TrainerRoad ah okay, heard you mention it on the podcast some time ago but I now realize you were talking about this race, Anyhow getting second is a Sprint well done imo ;)
What is Cat 4 Cat 1? What is that? Is that short form for category (I don't think it is)?
Yes, those are abbreviations for USA Cycling race categories.
So how did Nate enter as a cat 5 with a 360 W ftp? Triathlons?
TrainerRoad dude! 😁
@@TrainerRoad ha, I walked right into that one! Hard to get better marketing than this!
Head down bum up