I have been watching a lot of your videos and will soon be a member of the Bang Gang. I have learned a lot from watching you and I sharpened my first knife close to 50 years ago. The difference is that since I have been watching you I have learned to do it right and the results speak for themselves. I’m not as good as you are yet and it could take years of more work to reach the level where you are but I’m going to keep watching you, learning from you and others, and working to improve my skills. Thanks for making these great teaching videos. I’ll be contributing to your channel soon. God bless.
These Venev matrix stones are amazing. My father brought me a full set from overseas when he went to Russia (we are Russian and live in the US). The 8x3 Dragon plates are amazing and I have gotten very good at freehand sharpening over the past couple years and these stones are amazing. I have been using them for about 2 months now and I'm highly impressed with how good they are. The only thing that I don't like a whole lot is on the last three grits of stones there is almost zero feed back and I have to be extremely carefully to keep my angle perfect because I can't feel at all if I'm off the apex. It makes it harder but at the same time it's made me a better sharpener because I hold my angles even more precisely because I'm not depending on feel to make sure I'm perfect on the bevel.
Yeah I absolutely love the Dragon series stones, what I like to do is mark my finger so end up with a perfect edge bevel. I hold the spine on that line thats marked on my finger, I have videos in my Sharpening play list showing it
I have the 800/1200 one ; love how it’s light but being new I find myself cutting into the stone and digging into it time to time ; your sharpie trick helped me a lot !! thanks for your videos 🍻🍻
Thats awesome Peter im glad it helps, i found myself doing the same ting with other stones like my super stones, its from lifting the bevel when going across the stone, im glad that trick helps
Those stones sure made that Rex45 turn out great. I hope to one day feel proficient enough at freehand sharpening to get a set of Venev stones and compounds. Really like the video. I know fully understand getting rid of the shadow. Thank you for doing this video. Look forward to the beginner video you mentioned doing.
Yeah most diamond stones do have a break in period, thats why i gave then a little rubbing with the little aluminum oxide stone, and i love venev stones the stones really take sharpening to another level
Super simple steels with super soft heat treatment this is the future where we not only know more about steels and heat treatments than ever before we also know about abrasives and sharpening better than ever before.
Ginny juice is made by the same Russian enterprise. The compounds have a very small amount of mono diamond in its ingredient list. Because the diamonds are more durable but not as effective. Ginny juice has standard poly crystalline diamond, that are more effective but are weaker in durability. Both are based on a oil based product, which in effect needs a very low percentage of diamond in the overall structure .
Any plans on getting a bess tester? Cutting paper towels takes a clean keen edge. I bet your numbers are in the 40-50s. I got a set of these coming as well. The post right now is fuq'd. Prob be mid Jan, or Feb, before I see em.
The post office is insane right now, hopefully yours comes rather quickly, mine actually came in a decent time which was surprising because i have other mail that still hasnt made it to its destination and its way over a week late, these took about 3 weeks or less, i am thinking about getting one of those testers, im definitely intrigued
Got a few new Venev Phoenix stones. The 220 (63/50) / 700 (20/14) Plate & the 2500 (7/5) / 5000 (3/2) plate. Love the edges one can get with just those 2 plates (I also got a few other diamond and ceramic stones If i feel I need something in between). I think they might have changed the low/medium grit as my old phoenix stone was 160 & 700 If I remember right.
3:55 so this video was made before the price hike, it’s now around $300 to get one of these dragon stones. they advertise that the full grit versions have one karat of abrasive diamonds per cubic centimeter so if it were 2mm thick on an 8”x3” plate then there’s only 19 karat of abrasive diamonds per side. when I look online i can find 25 karat of abrasive diamonds in any grit size of my choice for $10. so if someone could just diy the resin and make a video about it then none of us would have to pay $300 we could make our own for under $20
Nice video jerad. Can you list the stone grit combos you used and paste grits please.thanx jas from New Zealand. I am looking forward to more of your great content. Thanks for posting.
You have different technique. Im gradually decreasing presure as grit# increases.. But i guess the diference in result is marginal, light presure brings out the polish better while presure give the edge proper bite.. But you should lap them🙏 They will workbetter
They work amazing, i dress them as needed, and use these daily, i base my pressure on different things sometimes its less and sometimes its more, i love these stones
@@NeevesKnives Me too🙏 Awesome stones indeed.. I cant compare them to anything else really and i collect stones and compare their performance.. They are so far the only ones to not load as bad as the other resin matrix stones i have.. But i would recomend getting resin bond cbn stone as a finisher😉
Any idea where to order these at? It shows they ship from Ukraine so idk if the war over there has anything to do with it or not. Would it even be safe to order from there at this time?
@@jeffreywilke1858 oh! Sorry yeah maybe i thought i did the numbers in order but it was my first time using these, il definitely do another video on them
No im not, 😆 but i can only imagine how amazing your edges must look, or how many sharpening companies and professional sharpeners give you kind words on how amazing your edges are 😆 im not trying to sound narcissistic or like a jerk but im very proud of the edges i get and proud that people send extremely expensive knives for me to sharpen, but im sure your edges are mind blowing, and if your just joking and trying to learn how to sharpen i do have a play list of videos teaching freehand sharpening and other sharpening systems
No i havent its a little expensive for me to buy to review, i would definitely if they sent me one, but i freehand my knives so it would be for a review, looks like a great system though
@@NeevesKnives yea I decided to try the 80 grit 150 grit to thin out my esse izula and if that don't work I been wanting to get a bench stone from practical sharpening I have some of his edge pro stones but I find there to small to work the main profile of the blade
@@kevinfitz3721 To thin out the edge? Or the grind? It will definitely work to lay the edge back, the lower grt felt similar to a 280 to 300 grt diamond plate
Can I use shapton pro 2k 4K 5k 8k 12k after the 1200 venev or does that not make sense going from diamond to ceramic . I was thinking of continue with the next grit after 1200 . TYVM for your time
Hey bud, in a moment of weakness I just bought the Benchmade Bugout with the aluminum scales in M390. Once it arrives, I will want to profile it with my own edge. I recently picked up the 240/400 Venev Dragon stones. I don't have much experience with M390. I was wondering if that 240 Venev would be coarse enough to do the profiling, or if I should start with my UltaSharp coarse diamond stone. If I did that, would I then go to the 240 then the 400, or skip the 240? Also, my coarse UltraSharp is pretty worn in (not bad), so didn't know if it might not even be that much more coarse than the 240 Venev. Just wanted to get your thoughts on stone progression before I dig in. Thanks!
The 240 will work. I've Definitely used it many times, it will take a bit more time than the lower grits like the 100 but will still work fine. You Definitely want to start with your lowest grit to make work faster while setting your new angle and bevel, make sure everything is perfect before moving to the next stone, that way the next stone will go faster. The farther you lay your angle back the longer it will take
@@NeevesKnivesI’m good on stone progression and doing the major work on the first stone. Just didn’t know if the Venev 240 could handle M390 or if I needed to use that UltraSharp 300. I’ll go with the Venev just for something different. Thanks!
@@MrEric0822 yeah the venev stones are the best for m390, a diamond plate would be just the same with a low grit like that, if you 300 grt is fresh and very coarse still then it might be good to use first but if it's wearing out a bit and not so aggressive anymore then the venev will probably work better either way the 240 will do just fine
Yup, I can not tell you how many diamond stones I have worn out. DMT being the worst and fastest wareing POS. I seriously wanna try these Venev plates. (and a spyder med cer-)I dislike Al-ox stones, I have to have them for particular apps but when it comes down to it I prefer to use silicon carbide if I can't use diamond. NONE of this includes compound, only speaking of stones here. HS Al-Ox rouge is the bomb when used properly. Ditto, I have a few Spyders with crappy OE bevels
Yeah a lot of companies come with crappy bevels and Spyderco is definitely one of them, the venev stones are great since they take so long to wear out compared to plates, and ive heard that the dmt used to be great but now for what ever reason are not doing as good, i love the little diamond plates i use, they work great and last a decent amount of time, and they are way cheaper than dmt
I've been doing this long time there Is tape you can use to prevent that my skin is pretty tough, I do offer a Sharpening service so I am constantly Sharpening, I rarely use the tape but most should
Oh no...here we go again, another russian collusion story..lol All joking aside great video....venev makes great stones, haven't tried their pastes yet. Thanks for a very informative video.
😆 yeah so far im liking the pastes im going to be using the heck out of them and do a video after im ready and used them enough, i sharpen a lot so it shouldnt be to long
How do you know they last waaay way longer when you just recieved them? They are cool and stuff but imo you are overreacting by alot just to please them cuz of the gift. Use them and then give ur opinion.
I have been watching a lot of your videos and will soon be a member of the Bang Gang. I have learned a lot from watching you and I sharpened my first knife close to 50 years ago. The difference is that since I have been watching you I have learned to do it right and the results speak for themselves. I’m not as good as you are yet and it could take years of more work to reach the level where you are but I’m going to keep watching you, learning from you and others, and working to improve my skills. Thanks for making these great teaching videos. I’ll be contributing to your channel soon.
God bless.
Bang! Neeve's Venev's.🔪😉
These Venev matrix stones are amazing. My father brought me a full set from overseas when he went to Russia (we are Russian and live in the US). The 8x3 Dragon plates are amazing and I have gotten very good at freehand sharpening over the past couple years and these stones are amazing. I have been using them for about 2 months now and I'm highly impressed with how good they are. The only thing that I don't like a whole lot is on the last three grits of stones there is almost zero feed back and I have to be extremely carefully to keep my angle perfect because I can't feel at all if I'm off the apex. It makes it harder but at the same time it's made me a better sharpener because I hold my angles even more precisely because I'm not depending on feel to make sure I'm perfect on the bevel.
Yeah I absolutely love the Dragon series stones, what I like to do is mark my finger so end up with a perfect edge bevel. I hold the spine on that line thats marked on my finger, I have videos in my Sharpening play list showing it
I have the 800/1200 one ; love how it’s light but being new I find myself cutting into the stone and digging into it time to time ; your sharpie trick helped me a lot !! thanks for your videos 🍻🍻
Thats awesome Peter im glad it helps, i found myself doing the same ting with other stones like my super stones, its from lifting the bevel when going across the stone, im glad that trick helps
@@NeevesKnives appreciate your content ! I added you on IG bro ! follow back point_of_impac7 =]
Point of impact we follow each other!
Those stones sure made that Rex45 turn out great. I hope to one day feel proficient enough at freehand sharpening to get a set of Venev stones and compounds. Really like the video. I know fully understand getting rid of the shadow. Thank you for doing this video. Look forward to the beginner video you mentioned doing.
Awesome Rick! It feels great to get a good edge even if its just decent when you did it yourself
I bought a set a little bit ago and they work great now. Initially they felt a bit too “gritty”. After a couple uses that does smooth up.
Yeah most diamond stones do have a break in period, thats why i gave then a little rubbing with the little aluminum oxide stone, and i love venev stones the stones really take sharpening to another level
Amazing how mountain men ,trappers,Buffalo hunters managed to get along with a butcher knife and a smooth rock.
Super simple steels with super soft heat treatment this is the future where we not only know more about steels and heat treatments than ever before we also know about abrasives and sharpening better than ever before.
Amazing these venev stones! How does Venev diamond compound compare to Gunny juice?
Ginny juice is made by the same Russian enterprise. The compounds have a very small amount of mono diamond in its ingredient list. Because the diamonds are more durable but not as effective. Ginny juice has standard poly crystalline diamond, that are more effective but are weaker in durability. Both are based on a oil based product, which in effect needs a very low percentage of diamond in the overall structure .
Any plans on getting a bess tester? Cutting paper towels takes a clean keen edge. I bet your numbers are in the 40-50s. I got a set of these coming as well. The post right now is fuq'd. Prob be mid Jan, or Feb, before I see em.
The post office is insane right now, hopefully yours comes rather quickly, mine actually came in a decent time which was surprising because i have other mail that still hasnt made it to its destination and its way over a week late, these took about 3 weeks or less, i am thinking about getting one of those testers, im definitely intrigued
Got a few new Venev Phoenix stones. The 220 (63/50) / 700 (20/14) Plate & the 2500 (7/5) / 5000 (3/2) plate. Love the edges one can get with just those 2 plates (I also got a few other diamond and ceramic stones If i feel I need something in between). I think they might have changed the low/medium grit as my old phoenix stone was 160 & 700 If I remember right.
Awesome job. Glad to learn more about these stones. Great video 👍
You should really try to wipe the blade between each strop so you don’t cross contaminate the finer stropping compounds with the coarser ones
Thank you 👊 your right
Hello,
perfect hand coordination!👍
The result on the paper towel is poor
BR from 🇦🇹
Thanks Jared for the tutorial...this really helps.
3:55 so this video was made before the price hike, it’s now around $300 to get one of these dragon stones. they advertise that the full grit versions have one karat of abrasive diamonds per cubic centimeter so if it were 2mm thick on an 8”x3” plate then there’s only 19 karat of abrasive diamonds per side. when I look online i can find 25 karat of abrasive diamonds in any grit size of my choice for $10. so if someone could just diy the resin and make a video about it then none of us would have to pay $300 we could make our own for under $20
Nice video jerad. Can you list the stone grit combos you used and paste grits please.thanx jas from New Zealand. I am looking forward to more of your great content. Thanks for posting.
CBN for the win!
Dude..that's some quality product outta Russia! Well done man💪
Definitely!
Those stones look bloody awesome dude, and very interesting make. I really want to try these
They work great
Awesome vid!
I ordered a set of those excited to try them out
Your gonna lovem they really are the best, use dish soap and water mix as a lubricant
Thanks for your videos I'm learning alot ,I am waiting for 3 venev stones not easy to find 2 dragon the finder 1 phoenix thanks again Tom DE Wu2q
Love my Venev's so much!
Yeah thay are great
You have different technique. Im gradually decreasing presure as grit# increases.. But i guess the diference in result is marginal, light presure brings out the polish better while presure give the edge proper bite.. But you should lap them🙏 They will workbetter
They work amazing, i dress them as needed, and use these daily, i base my pressure on different things sometimes its less and sometimes its more, i love these stones
@@NeevesKnives Me too🙏 Awesome stones indeed.. I cant compare them to anything else really and i collect stones and compare their performance.. They are so far the only ones to not load as bad as the other resin matrix stones i have.. But i would recomend getting resin bond cbn stone as a finisher😉
Killer stones!!!!!!
Killa edge
Do you ever use windex as lubricant on the diamond stone?
Any idea where to order these at? It shows they ship from Ukraine so idk if the war over there has anything to do with it or not. Would it even be safe to order from there at this time?
Are these compounds water soluble or oil soluble?
I will wait for the beginner video to make my order. I'm confused if order whetstone or diamond to begin.
th-cam.com/video/npEubLayJ7k/w-d-xo.html. This is a perfect video for you
@@NeevesKnives I saw the video and I ordered everything to begin. One thing, I never saw the shadow, next time I watch the video on the big TV,.😁
@@quenepo67 you just want the edge to touch the stone, start with the heel of the blade touching the stone
Im still going to do a beginner video
That yellow might be more coarse than that last stone
No it says it on the stone, and this isnt my first time using the stones
@@NeevesKnives I was referring to the compound
@@jeffreywilke1858 oh! Sorry yeah maybe i thought i did the numbers in order but it was my first time using these, il definitely do another video on them
@@NeevesKnives no problem! Also long term reviews are always appreciated
Are you a member of the Browns family. I feel like I just watched a TH-cam video of the alaskan bush people showing me poor knife sharpening skills
No im not, 😆 but i can only imagine how amazing your edges must look, or how many sharpening companies and professional sharpeners give you kind words on how amazing your edges are 😆 im not trying to sound narcissistic or like a jerk but im very proud of the edges i get and proud that people send extremely expensive knives for me to sharpen, but im sure your edges are mind blowing, and if your just joking and trying to learn how to sharpen i do have a play list of videos teaching freehand sharpening and other sharpening systems
interesting
did you try the tsprof 03
No i havent its a little expensive for me to buy to review, i would definitely if they sent me one, but i freehand my knives so it would be for a review, looks like a great system though
Do the coarse grits cuts fairly fast?
Absolutely
@@NeevesKnives yea I decided to try the 80 grit 150 grit to thin out my esse izula and if that don't work I been wanting to get a bench stone from practical sharpening I have some of his edge pro stones but I find there to small to work the main profile of the blade
@@kevinfitz3721 To thin out the edge? Or the grind? It will definitely work to lay the edge back, the lower grt felt similar to a 280 to 300 grt diamond plate
@@NeevesKnives grind, i know its not the best but I hope it will do better than using 1x6 stones
@@kevinfitz3721 Oh it will work as long as its the xcoarse, a 50 grt diamond plate would work faster but these will have the life left after
what series is that?
Can I use shapton pro 2k 4K 5k 8k 12k after the 1200 venev or does that not make sense going from diamond to ceramic . I was thinking of continue with the next grit after 1200 . TYVM for your time
You can absolutely, but the grit is different a 1200 venev is 5k grit so I'm not sure you would want to maybe the 8k and 12k
@@NeevesKnives tyvm that is very cool of you to answer and so fast .
Hey bud, in a moment of weakness I just bought the Benchmade Bugout with the aluminum scales in M390. Once it arrives, I will want to profile it with my own edge. I recently picked up the 240/400 Venev Dragon stones. I don't have much experience with M390. I was wondering if that 240 Venev would be coarse enough to do the profiling, or if I should start with my UltaSharp coarse diamond stone. If I did that, would I then go to the 240 then the 400, or skip the 240? Also, my coarse UltraSharp is pretty worn in (not bad), so didn't know if it might not even be that much more coarse than the 240 Venev. Just wanted to get your thoughts on stone progression before I dig in. Thanks!
The 240 will work. I've Definitely used it many times, it will take a bit more time than the lower grits like the 100 but will still work fine. You Definitely want to start with your lowest grit to make work faster while setting your new angle and bevel, make sure everything is perfect before moving to the next stone, that way the next stone will go faster. The farther you lay your angle back the longer it will take
@@NeevesKnivesI’m good on stone progression and doing the major work on the first stone. Just didn’t know if the Venev 240 could handle M390 or if I needed to use that UltraSharp 300. I’ll go with the Venev just for something different. Thanks!
@@MrEric0822 yeah the venev stones are the best for m390, a diamond plate would be just the same with a low grit like that, if you 300 grt is fresh and very coarse still then it might be good to use first but if it's wearing out a bit and not so aggressive anymore then the venev will probably work better either way the 240 will do just fine
Are you rubbing your finger and thumb on the stone or are you hovering above it?
Im touching the stone very lightly, so its barely rubbing the surface but still touching so i can feel if i change angles
Banger
Cant get it now rip
Yup, I can not tell you how many diamond stones I have worn out. DMT being the worst and fastest wareing POS. I seriously wanna try these Venev plates. (and a spyder med cer-)I dislike Al-ox stones, I have to have them for particular apps but when it comes down to it I prefer to use silicon carbide if I can't use diamond. NONE of this includes compound, only speaking of stones here. HS Al-Ox rouge is the bomb when used properly.
Ditto, I have a few Spyders with crappy OE bevels
Yeah a lot of companies come with crappy bevels and Spyderco is definitely one of them, the venev stones are great since they take so long to wear out compared to plates, and ive heard that the dmt used to be great but now for what ever reason are not doing as good, i love the little diamond plates i use, they work great and last a decent amount of time, and they are way cheaper than dmt
Should have warmed them up in a warm water bath for an hour. But hey, you didn’t pay for it. 😂
You're going to wear your fingers down using that technique.
Those stones will definitely take skin off.
I've been doing this long time there Is tape you can use to prevent that my skin is pretty tough, I do offer a Sharpening service so I am constantly Sharpening, I rarely use the tape but most should
I can reach same sharpness using diamond stone Sharpal , 400,1200 grit and strop for 3min that costs 40 euro
These are not CBN stones.. Venev doesnt use CBN.. ItsMonocrystaline Diamond.. 🤦♂️
Oh no...here we go again, another russian collusion story..lol
All joking aside great video....venev makes great stones, haven't tried their pastes yet.
Thanks for a very informative video.
😆 yeah so far im liking the pastes im going to be using the heck out of them and do a video after im ready and used them enough, i sharpen a lot so it shouldnt be to long
@@NeevesKnives looking forward to them!
Keep up the great work.
I really enjoy the content.
How do you know they last waaay way longer when you just recieved them? They are cool and stuff but imo you are overreacting by alot just to please them cuz of the gift. Use them and then give ur opinion.
You can have a downvote for "carbide tear out." Tell me, how does one detect that? How do I know when i'm having "carbide tear out."