The eCorder: testing and review!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- I finally got my hands on an eCorder - a fully electronic recorder designed and built by Michael Shonle! I put this new instrument through its paces in terms of sounds, range, dynamics, response.... and it was so much fun!
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Me at first: Kill it with fire it's so ugly!
Me three minutes later: I need one for the house and one for the car...
Don't eCorder and drive
Me at first - kill it with fire it's so ugly. Me at second - kill it with fire it sounds horrible, it pointlessly expensive and there are a million other instruments (Yamaha wx5, Roland ae-10) that do the 10000x more with the same fingerings.
Jeff Wulf something it has that my wx5 doesn’t: an accelerometer to modify the sound.
Repent sinner for the time of the Corden is at hand.
@@melcrose ummmmm that instrunent is awesome 🙄😒
I can see the band in Star wars using this...
It could become the official instrument for America's new Space Force.
... whereas the imperial storm troopers all play the Roland Aerophone AE-10, to match their uniforms.
Best analysis of this abomination I've read. I played in a recorder ensemble in college, and learning how to play bass recorder, to learn subtlety, and work with an ensemble, was to bring me back to when these instruments were viable 'band' sounds. This is just wrong, on so many levels. It's almost as bad as "Awful Tune" for singers.
LunaLakshmi dude I immediately thought Lightsaber. Lolol
I thought the same, only with star trek lol
lmao practice that in the train and everyone around will be thinking youre wildly smoking a bong
This thing is pretty impressive! I was thinking "take my money!" right up until "It's $1800..." Slowed my roll right back down to the plastic recorders and ocarina aisle....
A built in speaker, bluetooth MIDI and a $500 price would have pushed me over...
Michael Persico Bluetooth AUDIO is sh*t, bluetooth MIDI is working terrific.
Plastic instrument crew checking in.
@@pierredelecto9385 😁
You can buy an EWI (electric wind instrument) that plays like any woodwind (minus clarinet, recorder, and bassoon) with a customizable fingering system to your liking with an onboard synthesizer and midi control for under $800. The 5000 also has wireless capabilities, but it’s a bit more expensive than the USB (don’t buy it, not worth it) or the 4000s (totally worth it). Totally recommend for any wind player, really similar to the ecorder
It has everything from baroque to dubstep!!
You failed to show where the nicotine cartridges are inserted. Also, how do use it to remotely close my guitar door?
I think i'm fine with the traditional😂😂
Im Aan 👍🏻
Since I live with a person who has ears, and also in close vicinity to many other people with ears, the silent practice feature of this instrument greatly appeals to me, unfortunately I simply can't afford it.
That's a projector away from being a holophoner
EstradaDude my thoughts exactly!
An additional note about the eCorder. You said it sometimes produces an unwanted lingering note. This happens sometimes with MIDI wind controllers, which this is. The eCorder is equipped with a panic button, which in MIDI terms is an "all notes off" button which will instantly turn off any notes that are "hangovers". I don't have the instrument myself but I read about it in the on-line manual.
Any issue with the condensation from one's breath, I mean condensation and electronics don't go well together.
It’s $1,700+ USD.😭
Well... I guess my neighbors will continue to suffer
I think I'll buy an aerophone instead
@@cibermesias Correct - I already have. Half the price and hundred times more 'sounds'!! No point in this instrument at all.
nutty squirrel or an ewi if you’re not a sax player, a lot more versatile for fingerings (even customizable for your recorder needs)
I'm starting getting interested, until i see this T_T
This does look fun, and I'd actually like to see a side-by-side with the Mollenhauer Elody, even though they are different things. Given the direction of a lot of modern compositions now, these electronic instruments, which still take skill to play properly would be an interesting addition to the music world. But, yes, price tag. Wish I could win the lotto.
This seems like one of the best electronic versions of a wind instrument I've seen!
xenontesla122 id recommend checking out the Akai ewi models, it’s a lot cheaper and has all the same features (and then some), and customizable fingerings
Yes, Mike has been working on this for over 10 years.
Looks like something out of a sci fi movie
This is a MIDI controller in the shape of a recorder.
Yeah, and it's triggered by blowing. So you have all the dynamics of wind instruments. It's actually really interesting.
Yeah. That's the point. It allows a recorder player to do MIDI music without learning many new skills.
I can see where someone like you, who likes modern electronic recorder music, would have a blast with this! For me, not so much. LOL
So, you can buy almost 4 of the Roland Aerophones, for one of these things, invented by a small company that started via Kickstarter and has no guarantee to be around in another 6 months from now... Nope!
Olivio Sarikas and 3 used professional EWIs. Not worth it.
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So, does the saliva dribble out the bottom, and can it be cleaned in the same way as an ordinary 'corder? 💧
no. but it messes up the electronics and you get fucking electrocuted and die :((
happened to me the other day
Daniel R.I.P. 😔😔
@@zemitishugo7907 :((
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I'm not really sure I like this new sonic screwdriver design (But Sarah, you'd make a perfect Doctor).
Corne de Bruine
The new Doctor actually looks like her!
Omg, too true, I think she would be a batter tardis, she embodies the chaotic good that is the soul of the tardis
that recorder plays notes low enough to djent. e recorder djent confirmed
what about djazz
It takes a pro like you to be able to use all the features of this ecorder !
It looks like a space ship in a sci-fi movie.
I was thinking that too, like the Eagles from "Space 1999", or the runabouts from "Star Trek: Deep Space 9".
You could route this thing through some guitar pedals and make some really rad effects. I also love that it can be used as just a midi controller too. That means it's got infinite sounds. Love it.
Recorder players are now in the 21st century ..
now that it’s midi and can digitally play other sounds ..
you could go back and make a recording featuring .....oh .. I don’t know ...violin .. or Bass ... maybe 😈😈😈
We are in "Akai EWI" territory, IMHO: a synthesizer for woodwind players. Any major difference?
Yep, EWI Territory, MY neck of the woods!! Of course, EWIs come in a lot cheaper. Mine was just a fun little purchase, but I've gotten a fair amount of mileage out of it.
Not really, other than this is tailored to recorder players. The ewi works as well though, with a little getting used too (with customizable fingerings) and a much cheaper price. That and a whole lot more (and better sounding) sounds
As a guitar synthesiser player, I think it’s great that players of acoustic/traditional instruments can get access to non-standard/unusual sounds from the instrument they prefer playing, rather than having to fumble about with keyboards. I guess things like the Roland Aerophone and the previous Akai and Yamaha wind controllers are more targeted towards players of instruments like saxophone or clarinet than recorder players, or have you tried those too ?
Oh! Posted over a year ago but why no reply Sarah?
It’s a simple and honest question and you are missing a golden
opportunity to directly engage with your audience.
I certainly will not subscribe to your channel as a consequence.
@@rayjayvids tf?
Also, for 1850 dollars you would at least think they could give it an acetone wash so the 3d print lines are smoothed out. Having 3d print lines visible is not something I want to see in a production version. Unless this is just a sample prototype she got to play.
This thing is fascinating!!! Alternate universe me would totally buy one.
5:39 I was thinking that it would be a waste if it couldn't cover the whole range that existing acoustic recorders can cover, but I guess they did one better and extended the low end by a fourth below a Paetzold subcontrabass...and the high end a third above the standard top note of a garklein, I think?
They can't have programmed what pitch every possible combination of fingers should produce, so I guess that means it must do some kind of physics simulation that works it out.
Nice until we got to the price! I have a yamaha wx7 and had a much cheaper casio wind instrument (toy). Both suffered from slow attack and decay. There's a good reason, the pressure sensor has a slugged response so that it doesn't respond to fast variation and thereby act as a microphone. But there's another problem which I realised when designing my own instrument. A person practicing flight of the bumble bee for 2 hours may well be operating a key switch 1000 times and I couldn't find a mechanical key switch guaranteed for more than 50,000 operations, about 100 hours of intensive use. Less than a year for a serious musician. Sure enough the first octave switch on the yamaha gave up the ghost after 2 years of non-intensive use and is not easily replaceable. I used optical switches, maybe this uses capacitive. Either can, if good enough quality, have much longer lives. But does it or are they the same cheapo elastomer buttons as in the yamaha and casio? On the plus side.... The designer has paid attention to things like the nuance of falling pitch as breath pressure fades on a renaissance recorder. Bravo!
I have an Akai EWI 4000s. Your comment about mechanical key wear suddenly explains why Akai went with electronic touch keys. They have their own issue, namely they are unpredictable if your fingers are too dry, but they're quick and don't wear out. I've heard that the breath pressure sensor can wear out but mine is fine after 10 years, and its attack is good enough to detect flutter tongue. The EWI was only $800, making it a bargain compared to the eCorder.
Hi Ray. I have a wx5 and use a Roland SonicCell as a sound generator. It doesn't thrill me but $400 as opposed to $1800 is a win in my column. I'd appreciate reading more of your thoughts on the merits and downsides of your experiences and insights into recording, performing, etc. with the Yamaha. thanks in advance.
@@stanhegeman8751 hi Stan. Don't trust my memory, it's shot! I think mine was a wx5 plus a wt11 (?) sound module (basic fm ). Very electronic sound, but amusing to play bass clarinet two octaves below register! My favourite sound came from using it with a computer SoundFont player on cor anglais. Gorgeous. For me it's much easier to do slow expressive melodic lines than on a keyboard. I decided to get it because I had a dx7 keyboard with gobstopper breath controller and liked that, but dribbled a lot! I never used it professionally, just home recording. Oh and the octave switch is fine, maybe I confused it with the toy casio. With the advances in technology since then I reckon a good reliable wind controller could now be made for about 150 euros. I guess the small market means an enormous markup. The one I made was years ago, but if I tried again now I think it would be shameful to have trailing leads..... rechargeable internal lithium battery and bluetooth comms should now be expected. How are you doing with your gear?
Oh my goodness! As a composer, I would SO LOVE to write something for this mega machine!
The low and grungy setting.. lol first thing that came to mind: me auditioning to join a heavy rock band and saying "I play the recorder". lol
7:07 is the recorder that stoner metal has been needing all this time and never knew it
dude, she payed 1750 us dollars for that
USD 1500 (just checked) for this when an AKAI EWI 5000 wireless is USD 700? ....what are they thinking? I see it was even 3D printed. Not a bad device but the price is utterly ridiculous.
Totally agree. You can find a used ewi 4000s (in my opinion better than the 5000 for electronic music) for less than 600 or even 500, a third of the price for an arguably better instrument
I was thinking the same. My EWI is the original USB, which is quite limited compared to later models, but seems to do a heck of a lot more than this recorder and has a vaster ranger of instruments. And all for just £500 when I first got it.
How does the mouth piece function in making sounds if it is electrotonic?
I contains a breath sensor that triggers and modulates the sound produced by the instrument's electronics by detecting air pressure variations. The same kind of sensors used in all MIDI breath controllers.
To add a few words to what jordi said, there's a range of air pressure sensors available. Uses include air conditioning systems. The range and sensitivity varies widely to suit different applications, but they're the same in principle. The mouthpiece on this is probably just a plastic shell, you can dunk it in sterilising solution. The breath then goes into a chamber that contains the sensor and has a restricted outlet to provide some back-pressure, as you'd get from the windway of a recorder. The pressure in the chamber pushes the diaphragm of the sensor in and, usually by way of a piezo, a small electric signal is produced.
I play an Akai EWI 4000S. It seems like not a lot has changed in the last 7 years or so.
This is unbelievable... I need it in transverse flute form.....
Ha, I thought of 3 questions, and each time one popped into my mind, you started talking about it. Cool review, but man, that price tag!
For me the prospect of practising without my family stringing me up is very attractive. Sarah,you are a clearly a timelord.
Wow! this has been a popular video Sarah. Is it your most viewed and liked?
I know!! Nope, the most viewed one so far is ‘how to play all the notes on the recorder’ :)
11:43 - "...and so it dries properly."
I was wondering about that.
My homemade Native American Flutes have a dreadful time with that.
Yes, it IS cool and as a software engineer, its obvious the designers
had a real blast creating this...this...this...eCorder.
But meanwhile, I have a stack of bamboo that is calling me...
So many flutes, so little time.
Best to all and as usual...
THanks for THinking!
How hard is it to start making them? I’ve kind of wanted to make my own recorder forever
@@TwoJaysMoon Hello Jen. I would recommend you buy a recorder that Sarah recommends.
There are very nice plastic recorders that perform so much better than those
made from wood or cane. Humidity is a real problem. I have many years experience
in woodworking and lots of tools, and after a year of making flutes, I bought
2 nice plastic recorders that are easy to clean and nice to play and exceed
any thing I could ever make. Then you can practice WHILE you lean how to
make them, if you decide to do so.
Good luck in all your goals.
Oct 15, 2020
kinda cool, but VERY SACRILEGIOUS!
I'd like to get one of those e recorders, in the regular Yamaha soprano recorder I play 38 sounds, 3 scales, 4 Cs ...I'd like to play it with the new clef I invented...how much it cost about? Where can find it to buy it?
Hector Aguilar She literally says that in the video
I like this ecorder where i can found i need to buy and thank for what you doing on it !!!?
So this is probably the first recorder-based electronic instrument! How does it compare to the EWI?
There was an earlier one meant to work with a work station but it was poorly designed. I forget who made it.
Very warm sound. Kinda like a wooden flute sound.
where is the sound coming from? is it hooked up to a speaker system?
Yes!
But does it djent?
incredible, very interesting, I'm going to show this to my mother for her recorder group, they'll either love it or... well you know.
6:37 R2-D2 sounds
Incredible instrument! And your quality as interpreter is amazing!!
Good review, tempting apart from the 'serious investment' aspect.
Thanks
You're on Patreon? I looked for a Sarah Jeffery on Patreon and no one heard of you. Search came up nil. A musician named Sarah Joy or something similar came up, but not the recorder player. I had to take your above video to the sweet spot and click and discovered you have a name for your channel I didn't recognize. (Just an FYI that you might be missing potential patrons looking for you and unable to find you on search on Patreon.) Cheers, and keep doing your thing.
6:51 Recorder funk? I'm here for it
Omg! This instrument is magical, so many hours of fun!
Man the EDM scene is sleeping on this machine ...
Fun are just plays , breathing in , blowing out,...funny , will be, happy .with laughter 's of friends. Family 's.....gathering. indoors. And outdoors....speakers....loudly
Is that your baby at the end? :D How adorable!!
Wow, I'd love one of these, but it's so expensive...
so basically like a midi keyboard, but recorder style
That is a great instrument and electronic wonder, but the price is prohibitive unless you are a professional musician who would need one for their work, who could afford it?
Me: Oh that's a nice gadget to practice before a I buy a real recorder
Price: $1850
Me: 😶
Into speakers?! Into anything analog for tulip plugs. Amp, mixer, computer audio input, recording device, you name it. Not just speakers. G! Y?
Baroque Obama
I'm so jealous! I want a version for flute. I'd love to practice in the middle of the night without getting yelled at! I play some recorder too, but it's....just a little out of my price range.
Knitwit Get an Akai EWI USB. They’re significantly cheaper, come with a few of the flute family with the added bonus of loads of horns, brass, reeds, synths and pitched percussion.
Nice video Sarah! Can you make next video about Mollenhauer Elody?
these electronic recorders are so cool!! the elody (i think) is prettier, but i'd love to see sarah review one, just as a comparison with the ecorder. how about it, sarah?? 😊
Sorry for anyone who has purchased one but, an AKAI EWI USB, available for $295, can kick the butt of the eCorder, and you will still have $1,500 in your pocket.
$1750 really??? 1750/10=$175 I'll think about it
Ha, 30 years ago two musicians were talking on Radio Vier about how Johann Sebastian would appreciate modern digital music instruments. One of them mentioned how much work it used to be, just to take all these percussion instruments to a remote city. He would love to have the samples and a digital drum kit. Now I see this e-corder, what would the Bach opinion on this one?
Do these come with their own, built-in speaker/s? If I want to stroll into the countryside and play away, I certainly don't want to have to carry anything else...it would take the niceness out of it, for me. I'd love to have one that just has a built-in speaker. Anybody...HEEE-E-E-E-ELP!
This looks like a fun instrument to play with, but too pricey to have just for fun. Sarah, have you ever tried the Mollenhauer Elody? I would love to hear a review from you on it. I know it's a different instrument to this, but I wonder how it would compare regarding the electronics. I've had my eye on it for a while, but the price tag (which isn't far off from the eCorder) is discouraging to even think about it while I've been building my wooden recorder collection. Still it would be good to hear your opinion on it.
I've had an Elody for a few years. I don't want to say anything here, because it's Sarah's thread, but I'd be very interested to hear what she thinks about it.
Interesting idea. Shame that all the "recorder" voices sound like a dodgy 1980s synthesizer (£29.99 from Argos).
7:07 Send this to Davie504
Would love to see you do a review of the WARBL - warbl.xyz/ - a $250 electronic wind instrument / MIDI controller that can be used as a recorder.
Vastly cheaper, the downside is it doesn't have the two bottom double holes, instead relying on alternative fingering - and I'd love to know exactly how annoying that would be for a professional recorder player :-)
Recorder Fingering: Page 13 of warbl.xyz/WARBL%20Fingering%20Charts.pdf
(Note that one awesome thing about the WARBL is that everything about it is open source, from the source code to the electronics design, so if you think there would be a better fingering, it's possible to change it to whatever you want, and the guy who makes them is super-responsive to customer requests, so likely he'd just do it for you, esp. for a professional musician who'd be helping him improve the product for everyone.)
can you play silently and use headphones?
yes!
I will be buying the Roland AE10 at $850.00, rather than this one at $1850.00, I am wondering what the warranty is? and can it be repaired inexpensively?
OMG, that thing is ugly... It's a cathedral to bad design. Like that jack just plugging into the side of it... Just... no.
If I had your recorder chops I’d buy one of those right now
That’s a rather heavy price tag. I’ll stick with my wooden recorders and EWI.
Now you may be forgiven for thinking that this thing sounds like a crappy mono synth from the early '80s, which could be picked up for pennies off eBay. But hey, at least you get the reassurance of a 90-day😱 warranty for your $1700 investment.😂
Thought the electronic sounds were pretty horrid - sounded like a cheap keyboard synth from last century, There has been a huge advances in "real" sound technology (look at some amazing electronic pianos for example) so I think it is reasonable to expect decent sampled sounds at the price point. Looks like it has potential but not there yet IMHO.
Fun review though - loving your videos (just bought a bass recorder as a newbie player to wind instruments and found your channel fun and really helpful - thanks).
It sound as it look like...plastic. I checked the price and i am shocked...for so much money u get this shit sounds? Better buy a MIDI-Controller.
Seeing the price of this and 'taking deposits for delivery in a year or so' definitely made me feel good about my recent Sylphyo purchase XD
I could see using something like that to get cleaner raw midi notes for faking other instruments digitally. I know you could use a good microphone and send the audio to some effects software or whatever, but even though the result might sound more natural - it wouldn't be as clean... especially if you had background noise from your environment that you had to contend with (depending on sensitivity in receiving). If I had the money to splurge as a regular recorder player - I'd get it just to play around with... It's like having a multi-effects pedal for a guitar... but it's more like: designing the electric guitar and attaching the effects pedals to the body of it. Fancy, but I'm sure just like with electric guitar - development will come over time. Also depends on just how much people who like playing recorder would want to develop a digital version. Maybe going to something like a keyboard is more optimal due to all of the advancements over the years already made on those. It's basically a keyboard that is shaped like a recorder, but does it compare with the capabilities of a mid-range keyboard?.. I don't know enough about it too compare, but just being able to play big chords on a keyboard makes a huge difference with digital music capabilities.
Okay, I'm not liking this, not because it's bad, but I hate electric instruments, but, it's not bad.
The recorder has long been my instrument of choice. I like the sound of a larger recorder like a tenor, but my hands are too small to play one comfortably. An electronic recorder checks several boxes for me, including the ability to change pitch. It's hard to find a good one at a reasonable price, especially since I'm a hobbyist and not a performer, but at least this one looks cool. And it seems to have the relevant bells and whistles.
At $1750, you could buy 5 Akai EWI-USBs. This is grossly overpriced for what it is.
This is sooooooo cool! :D I absolutely love it!!!!
The wide range is definitely a Plus, but the Sound is like a Hammond Organ. Not really my Thing.
No 1/4" patch cable? I feel like that's the most basic, essential cable.
Did you provide here an audible voice comparison betwixt a good, conventional recorder and this contraption???
For 1800 USD Vangelis would play me every lunch.
Sarah could make any blowy thing sound good. I only come here for your expressions and verbal sound effects
he toke a MIDI controller and put it in a recorder! it is a dandy! but it is only a recorder with a midi controller chip and interface circuitry put in it....same thing can be done with a piezo mic into a midi controller...i did it thirty years ago! i like it. the cost comes from his development costing and marketing saturation pricing!! he developed it with out an engineering budget. retired executive engineer! BUt Sarah did a great job of demoing it for sure!
Still need , some one, to plays it, on TH-cam, let youths, known, fun .and funny....both ....
1890,-! Next video: "How to knit a felt mitten so you still can play in the middle of the night and not be broke".
Check the re.corder and spent your money on vst like Swam or spirfire audio