The Battle of Adrianople 378 AD
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Thank you yet again for this battle
Awesome as always.
BazBattles Excellent battle baz 👍
BazBattles btw, IMHO you found an untapped goldmine with your narrator, he's one of the best video narrator in TH-cam for me, you should've expanded this collaboration. Expand the scope of this channel or cover other topics and create a new channel or something.
A great narrator voice with good scripts are major attraction for a TH-cam channel IMO.
Another quality video, out of curiosity may I ask on what programme do you produce your videos?
It has always fascinated me that we know so much about this battle, while the details for dozens of others that happened in this period are lost.
more scibes than soldiers in this 1 i guess
conan263 watch Shaun’s video about the fall of the Roman Empire. Mass immigration wasn’t what killed Rome. In fact immigration helped Rome in many cases. Had the visigoths and Alan’s not migrated into Gaul than the western Roman Empire would not have been able to stop Atilla. And mass immigration is what created the states of modern England (saxons and angles) France (franks) Italy (Lombards) and the United States (various) if you live in any of these states you probably only exist thanks to mass immigration.
We have to thanks Ammianus Marcellinus for this account
Remember that if people flee their countries it's not because they woke up a morning with this idea, it's because they have serious problems like wars,famines... all caused by the therrible policy of western nations; then when you let migrants pass your borders but then you let them starve it's to be expected that they are going to revolt
I don't think this is even possible in modern western countries... And dude not cool!
"And that miracle..."
Me: OMG REALLY?!? :D
"Never came"
Me: ohokay :(
Valens : ok guys well just starve them out nice and slow...
Right wing : LEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOYYYYYYY
They had a chicken :)
I understood that reference.
JEEEENNNNNKIIIIINNSSSSSSSS
Valentinian: god damn it Valens… gaaahhhd damn it
The Gothic revolt sounds terrifying. Imagine being face to face with all that black lipstick!
Omg!
Funnily enough the Goths were probably mostly blond
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@@starfox300 they were blonde and redhead
@@berig_gutisk he knows, he just makes jokes mentionning modern "goths" lmao
Fight the Goths, they said.
It would be fun, they said.
Never fight the Goths, (something something "land war in Asia" or .. black clothing and poetry,) join with the Goths to fight the Hun!
They came from what is now Sweden.
THis is what happens when your empire becomes weak. You let the horde come in.
It's funny, in History Class this battle was taught to us as the moment that Heavy Cavalry proved itself as the new dominant force on all future battle fields, supposedly proving that Rome's Heavy Infantry approach had become obsolete.
But now learning about the events of the battle, I don't really see it. This outcome was clearly the result of the Romans being surprise by the arrival of the enemy cavalry, having their own engaged cavalry on the flank crushed and being surrounded as a result.
This is pretty standard stuff and could happen to any army against any enemy fielding decent medium or heavy cavalry. Certainly Carthage, Persia or even Gaullic Tribes could have pulled off something similar in earlier centuries. In fact it looks a lot like Cannae, at least in terms of the final outcome.
If anything, it looks to me as if Roman infantry actually performed exceptionally well during this battle and proved their continued superiority when you consider how long they managed to keep fighting in good order after being surrounded. A lot of Armies would have probably collapsed immediately in that kind of situation.
I agree totally the infantry would always be the backbone of Roman armies even into the early Middle Ages with basil the seconds campaigning in mountainous Bulgaria.
Only Historians would fill the Turkish mountains with cavalry haha. Even Panzers regularly fell out of formation due to speed variability. If Europe wasn’t in a warming period, the Hun’s horses wouldn’t have gotten past Ukraine. Horses without food are about as useful as Tanks without fuel.
If only Rome hadn't botched their diplomacy with the goths, they might have them stood a chance against the Huns with their help.
The Romans + Goths beat the Huns at Battle of the Catalaunian Plains.
Finally someone that gets it.
Steven Mackintosh, it was the Visigoths and the Romans who defeated the Huns at Chalons in 451. The Roman general didn’t want to have to ask the barbarian kings for help. These Visigoths Defeated the Romans in 378 and after Theodosius I they sacked Rome in 410 and were given land in Aquitaine
To be fair, it sounds like they just didn’t have the resources to deal with so many refugees.
This era of history is called the "migratory period" of European history. These migrations were largely driven by a famine and colder weather pushing refugees South looking for food. Problem was there wasn't enough food to feed everyone anywhere on the continent. The Goths were given a choice. Either sit around and slowly stave or fight to the death. They choose to fight. After this battle the famines actually got worse and the Visigoths ended up migrating all the way to Spain and North Africa of course after sacking Rome along the way.
Adrianopel was not the end of the roman empire, but the beginning of the end. The failure in integrating or destroying the Goths, leaded to the Goth invasion of italy, which leaded to the opening borders in gaul, which leaded to invasions of several germanic tribes in gaul, which leaded to the foundation of the germanice kingdoms in the western empire, which leaded to less taxes, which leaded to no reliable army, which leaded to the end.
And the reason I think these tribes were there in the first place is because I think the more powerful huns chased them into roman territory or just wanted some land... I think
IMHO, Adrianople was the turning point of no return. The Empire was already in a downward slide for a century or two leading up to this point (Hyper inflation, loss of trade, civil wars, over taxation of the peasant farmers, loss of discipline of the army), but Adrianople was the point when the Army proved to be finally incapable of dealing with the border threats. And, as you summarized, this lead to the final slide into total collapse.
@@TEverettReynolds The Eastern Empire continued for a thousand years after Adrianople.
It's lead, not leaded, you illiterate barbarian.
@@CritKhan its leadeded, actually.
"The emperor's body was never found"...so he could be still alive....out there....waiting....FOR REVENGE!!
nah he burned.
nah he was a bitch and is likely still running
@@fitnesspoint2006 he likely committed seppuku. Most generals did after a humiliating loss like this one, rather than live with the shame.
@@signoguns8501 i don't think the romans called it seppuku but I see your point
@@apassionatenerd.3564 They probably definitely called it seppuku, tbf
I must say, I really enjoy that you add additional facts at the end of your videos. They really provide a great context and postscript for the battles.
My boy Julius Caesar would have never done this
Actually he probably would have. Caesar was a highly aggressive general and was never one to take the defensive. Remember that at Alesia he came to the very brink of total destruction because of his inability to defeat Vercingetorix before his allies arrived.
would have probably cut off supply lines and reinforcements before trying to engage them. i noticed it was the first thing he did in every battle.
At the battle of Thapsus Caesar's troops attacked without orders and started the battle
He would have built a wall around the Goths
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 First he built a wall....
1:26 YO that sound track in the background is fire! took me straight back to 2005 when i started playn rome total war :D 10/10
Valens was an unfortunate emperor. He was looking for greatness in the East and the Goths crashed the party, well not crashed by demolished. It surely is a mystery not able to find his dead body, especially a Roman emperor. Won't he be wearing some sort battle gear that would stand out from the rest? I mean even if its assumed that his body was accidentally burned. Great video by the way. Love your channel!
slapnut1207 That makes sense. Good point.
Looks like he made the wrong choice in not waiting for his nephews army to show up. This should be an episode of the Terrible Blunders in military history.
@@Wallyworld30 I don't think VAlens was ever going to win.
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Great Video guys, and the narrator is Top Notch. This period of History is so overlooked and hope you guys keep these coming!
That Rome Total War soundtrack at the beginning did remind of good old times and makes for a really great introduction aswell!
why old times? To me it's still one of the best games ever made
@@terawatt1 It most surely is, I still consider it the best Total War game I have ever played. I said old times, because I used to play it when I was a youngster - and I have great memories with this game from that time
I wish i could play the total war series :( Im tempted to buy a pc just for those games lol
@@signoguns8501 In my opinion that could very well be worth it - Total War games are great and diverse coupled with mods for them - and the fact that there is so many of them anyone will find some which are to their liking
Man your voice makes even adds feel good
Nice, I really liked your Alexander videos I think that the ancient history is the most exotic, thus interesting.
I hope to see more videos from those times!
Thanks for vid
Oh BazBattles. This jump in production quality im seeing in the battle walk through. This is a new side of you and I like it! Keep up the good work!
Whenever BazBattles posts, I have to like the video before watching it, the stuff’s just too good
So it's the story behind the famous battle of Adrianople, it's has been a while that i wanted to read about it, but i was either too lazy or too busy; thanks for the informative video :), really enjoyed it!
Dude love the pace you ate putting these , I visible get excited everytime I see a new video . Still would love to a BTS on. these
As great as always, and 3 videos in a shorter time! Always look forward to seeing your videos
Such an epic and pivotal moment in history. After this it was game over for the Western Romans imho.
Except Western Roman Empire did not even participate in the battle.
Filip Batora The repercussions though.
The western empire would have fallen regardless
History Time after you finish with the middle ages you should talk again about the obscure parts of Antiquity
I'd say this was a ripple, Frigidus river was most likely what really put the final nail in the coffin.
JUST HOW IS THIS AMAZING ANIMATION MADE?
Makes me want to create fictional wars.
I am fascinated by this battle. Thank you!
this channel has the most smooth transitions i've ever seen on youtube between the actual video and sponsored content
Instant like before video even starts. Love your content!
I would build a great great wall in the northern border and i’ll have the Goths pay for that wall!
They kind of did do that...
Nah, I'm just gonna let them in without any kind of check and let them destroy my country.
It was let them come in peacefully, or have them come in violently. When people are pushed to desperation, the fact your border starts at a river doesn't mean anything to them.
Varangian Guard
you invaded the americas. what about that?
Too soon...😁
Your voice and all of this is so good!
Good choice of music- gives me those pre-battle chills from RTW that I so miss.
"Art of Conquest: War Without Limits"
...except all the freemium resources, energy, level caps, etc.
You know, no limits.
How glad I am to have found this channel
Thanks Baz I really needed this today
I love this channel always learning new things
As much as I love Roman history I hate hearing the late Empire getting defeated. ROMA INVICTA
edgy
ROMA AETERNA!
There is nothing crigier than an edgelord throwing latin phrases at the of their sentences to appear smarter.
Imperialx I have some bad news about your Roman Empire... hash-tag: breaking news (#teamLarsPorsena)
Reckless Roges What do you mean? Last time I checked Rome was unconquered.
Much better context and visualisation than ive seen in much longer documentaries (bc of all the fluffing they do). Really appreciate the effort to accurately portray Valens' record, character and abilities! Very important. All other documentaries ive seen about the battle just throw him under the bus based on result of the battle and his subsequent reputation.
Great job is what im sayin!
I'm happy that the little introduction to the battle is back for this battle. It's a nice little framing for the rest of the video.
It's always a huge pleasure when there is a new baz battle !
This is so sad. Alexa, play despacito.
LMAOOOOO
@@manguy1259 holy shit wuuut.
"Valens was few kilometers away from Constantinople" - in map it is about 80 km. Everything is relative.
Thanks mate can't wait for next video
Love these videos! Keep up the great work!!!!!!
Another battle where unexpected reinforcements decide the outcome.
All in all, I was trying to think as a general/commander of army:
Fritigern: Ok, after the initial success with that weakling comes in Thracia now we face a few legions. Boy, this is not good, I must delay them and call for my friends and then, maybe, we will make history. This is our only shot, we can`t go back, those Huns will crush us, this is our only chance.
Valens: My nephew isn`t arriving. I must crush this enemy. After all, they are a bunch of barbarians and reports say they are only 10k.
Fritigern: We are attacked. Now it is the moment, now or never. We win or we die together with our families. Oh, the right flank is going down. We are going down.
Valens: These undisciplined soldiers attacked without my command, but w8, in the left is going well. I think I will win. I will be like Caesar. Yes, yes, yes.
Fritigern: My friends arrived. Unexpected. The gods helped us. I am rubbing my eyes and still can`t believe we are surrounding these LEGIONS!
Valens: Enemy reinforcements. Why did I rushed? Couldn`t I`ve waited comfortably for my nephew? I can`t bare the shame. How can I stand tall when I will look upon my ancestors? I will be curageous until the end.
This man's voice is so goddamn relaxing!
Absolutely Great! Keep up the great work!
Absolutely love this channel!
Valentinian i the last great western roman emperor, his death and the battle of adrinople caused damages that even theodosius i couldn't heal
-we want settlement
*settles them in sassanid border*
win and WIN
Haha nice
good luck convincing them to move across hundreds of kilometers with no food to a desert where theres even less food.
that wasnt a deser back then, also. Food could be provided if you really need those tribes as buffer
They'd still probably wouldn't WANT to live there.
That was kind of the idea.
Valens allowed them through because he wanted to use the Goths as volunteers in his armies and as paesants working his lands, it was common practice.
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Meow I love your story telling style unbiased and nicely presented :3!!
*Am I wrong for thinking this all could've been solved by diplomacy and Fritigern a useful ally against the Persians? Rome could've done a Feudal system where Fritigern pledges loyalty to Valens in exchange for land and call upon his warriors free of charge.*
That was the general idea when Valens gave then permission to cross, though the direct distribution of land to barbarian chiefs in exchange for military service was not yet common practice.
What would have happened, and happened for centuries before this incident, is that the families would be given to land owners to settle as colones, while volunteers would have been sent to individual army units across the Empire.
The both the East and West in the Roman Empire were permanently hungry for both farmers and soldiers.
At times emperors would have led expeditions across the borders to capture slaves and recruits for the army.
The poin of Adrianopolis is that the corruption of the Roman military machine, coupled with the unexpected number of this particular "band", halted this system.
But all the people here saying "That's why the Empire fell" think themselves so smart because they drew the dullest possible parallel between what happenened then and today's migrations forget that the East recovered and came to an equilibrium with Gothic tribes, while the West, who didn't suffer this defeat, fell, and not because of the goths
Diplomacy is no substitute for strength--it depends on military strength for success.
@@francescofontana9707 very wise
One of the most sad moment of the entire Roman History...Damn Goths!
If the Romans hadn't lost this battle, then the Alans wouldn't have been in the western roman empire to save them from the Huns. In the long game, Rome actually got a lot more then is lost from this battle.
Yes, and then they went to the western part...Did you ever hear about the sack of Rome? Who is the stupid now?
Everything would've been fine if they hadn't mistreated the Goths, it was their own damn fault.
They couldve probably avoided this situation if they didnt try to quick fix the problem... twice.
Damn Goths? Please, the romans lost it by themselves. Especially the cavaly. Not only did they charge in like idiots without orders, they could not even give a deceisive blow. Then they got outflanked. Instead of forming up, analysing the situation and waiting for the enemy to make a mistake, like romans usually do
Once again. Another great video. Keep up the good work.
Oh boy I love your channel ! And you have a good voice for it as well. Well articulated, loud, understandable and mellowing ^^ :D
One suggestion - at the end, as you put the "lists" with bonus information, its brilliantly made, BUT - make each of them stay longer, you have to be a really fast reader to catch them and understand them thru, which I guess some might find diffucult :)
THEN THE ALAN RIDERS ARRIVED!
You'd be surprised how true that actually is.
Don't we wish
Ojalá pueda agrgar subtítulos en español para el resto de los vídeos, se agradecen este tipo de materiales audiovisuales. Thank you
Another amazing story thank you BazBattles
You have no idea how much I love you guys for using Rome: Total War music in this video! Love you guys!
Dacia province was North of Danube not South-West as shown in that map. And Dacians were the same as Thracians , just on the northern side of Danube. Also Dacia provice contained the goths, visigoths, ostrogoths and other ethnics wich acted as a whole province.
Still waiting for that Battle of Jultand, I will never give up
Fag Master it was actually a pretty anticlimactic just a bunch of dreadboughts nailing each other causing minimal damage
I wouldn't say like the biggest naval battle in history is that anticlimactic, and bigger ships did sink. Like the German Pre Dreadnought SMS Pommern. Anyway Baz did a vid on the Bismarck which is way less eventfull then this so
Well yeah, I know. But if they can do the Bismarck, then obviously they can do this, I mean how many ships got sunk in the Bismarck vid? Like 2 or 3. So the argument that its "anti climactic" isn't an excuse not to do it
Gotta point ^^
There is a really good video on the battle of Jutland in the very same sort of style as this one.
Great video. Keep them coming.
This just makes me wanna play Rome total war, awesome video ! Keep them coming
Are you gonna do the sacking of Rome in 410 AD by Frittergen's adopted son, Alaric?
"let us into your country!"
"ok"
"give us free shit"
"ok"
"that's not enough! RIOT!"
is this 378 or 2018?
Except one was an organized migrant issue that was trying multiple times to settle peacefully into a nation and try to use the protection of the empire and their own forces to defend themselves from the encroaching Huns who forced them out of their original homes, while at the same time being mistreated by Roman forces unduly and aggressively because they do not care about the lives of the Goths, and the other is a bunch of random immigrants who have no need to come into Europe because they wish to take advantage of economic systems because they destroyed their home country with internal dissent, yes explain to me how the Goths are the same as the Muslims.
It was over a thousand years ago, calm your tits
Slightly untrue. I believe the Romans intentionally underfed them. At least I remember a different video describing it as such. Romans often dug their own graves with sheer arrogants.
El Psy yeah let's underfed dozens of thousands that outnumber us and still have their weapons.... Romans are not stupid like that.
And like I said, this is not a simple migrant issue, this is a literal nation on the march trying to settle new lands to try to survive. And yes I did watch the video, and I would like you to explain how the Romans could have resolved that scenario. They did not have the troops to stop them, but they still poked, prodded and generally malpractice the Goths who were a different tribe that simply wanted to settle in Bulgaria. Also, stop conflating modern immigration to the Romans, there were numerous issues that led to the migrant crisis of the end of the Roman empire, but numerous instances of Roman mistreatment of native tribes which led to mass unrest.
Keep up the awesome videos!
great video man as always
This is cool! Hail Byzantium!!!!!
make battle of Grunwald
Excellent! Well done! Greetings from Argentina.
Excellent video. I've always had a bit of a fascination with the Goths and their related tribes.
Baz u alive?
The romans missed a big opportunity , they should have made the gothic leaders to swear an oath to fight for the defence roman empire for entery to the empire. then gifted them the southern land bordering the danube . it would have give the empire a small bufferzone between them and the huns plus gain more fighting men to call upon when the huns where planing a invasion as the goths would fight for there soil and people. but everything is easier in hindsight.
Glyn Humphrey It wasn't exactly possible.
Given that the situation with the Goths lasted for years, i'm sure they had thought of what you said but did not want to go with it.
The idea was to break them up and use them as soldiers in the wars in persia, like it was done with thousands of other gothic warriors.
It worked like that for centuries, but this time the task proved too complex for a number of reasons, mostly corruption of the officers who were supposed to keep the refugees fed and sheltered.
The idea to settle whole tribe within the borders to act as buffers was a later one (see Visigoths in Southern France) but it proved fatal in the long run because it fragmented power too much, and when you give people the choice between a barbarian king who will protect them and a distant Emperor who won't they tend to choose the former.
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I haven't watched it yet, but we all know it will be good before clicking on it. Thanks guys keep it up.
I love history. Such amazement that we know what happened so far back. Yet common sense tells us that likely - it didn't go down anything like that. Just ask someone alive today what happened during WW2. You'll get very different accounts depending on who you ask. It makes me wonder how accurate these stories are, & by extension who WE think WE are.
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btw if you have no idea what the hell we are on about the wololooo is a priest sound off age of empires and the red sheep blue sheep thing is a easter egg in minecraft related to the AOE priests
Yes! I can't wait to watch this tonight.
I saw the notification... but its not worth to watch without my favorite foods. BazBattles is a day saver.
I misread the title as Battle of Adrianpole and thought that was a really funky name 😂
“Let us in your country”
“Give us food”
“You guys are not giving us enough”
*Riot*
Seems familiar
"F*** my Daughter"
"You didn't F*** my daughter"
"You disrespected our family"
CASUS BELLI
I dont really get how its familiar?
@@toddharig8142 He's saying it sounds like Mexicans invading US and demanding lodging and 5-star cuisine.
@@Kathayne636 I know that's what he is saying. Im just calling fake news.
Knew many of the details of this battle. But not some of the finer details. Glad to know them now. This was a nice video.
Man these are great!
*WE NEED TO BUILD A WALL!*
What do you expect starving n panic-stricken refugees under a charismatic leader, positioned secure atop a hill, with their women n children counting on them. They will give all they can to defend, and that they did. Barbarian or not, men will go to any limit for their women n children. This battle was doomed for the Romans at its very inception.
You have to wonder what was Gothic leader thinking. If he loses *one* battle, it's not just a military setback - his tribe ceases to exist in an instant.
On the other hand, what other choices did he have?
Dividing his forces? Uh, they're already weaker than Valens.
Leaving non-combatants behind and on their own in a hostile territory, with a number of Roman cities around? Not good either.
Still, this situation should've given some advantages to Valens as well.
- Since Goths did not seem to have their own cavalry around, Romans had months to harass them - and even if Alans were present earlier, Roman cavalry neutralizes them to some extent.
- With Gothic forces being tied down to protect the main camp Valens could've focused on killing off foraging parties and other roaming bands, ensuring local superiority in every case. Even if main Gothic force breaks camp and moves in to rescue one of endangered detachments, Romans can always gtfo, destroying other groups in the meantime.
- Finally, can you imagine what happens, when Roman cavalry actually listens to orders and does some proper flanking, ending up inside camp? Even if they start looting and make o other contribution to the battle, you have half the Gothic warriors scrambling to rescue their families. Bye bye frontline.
At this point I wonder if Valens even knew Gothic women and children were around. It's a massive morale boost for a defender, but also a massive disadvantage if properly exploited. Doesn't seem Valens tried, as his army deployed as if for an ordinary battle, instead.
This type of thinking is what caused Stalin to refuse to let civilians evacuate Stalingrad. Stalin said his men would fight harder if they knew they had to protect the woman and children. So woman and children were stuck in the most horrific battles of all time. Thousands of non combatants died as a result.
It's this special kind of win, where circa 200k civilians got deported to do slave labor for Germans instead of evacuating beforehand and ending up in a T-34 factory somewhere behind Ural.
Yep I would have sent the cavalry around the back of the hill in secret. Pillage the camp followers then rush the main line from behind, and have them rejoin the main army again. Problem solved. Then ignore that army and focus on shoring up the river border. Then retreat to walled cities to wait them out.
It's not like the Goths are just standing there letting the Romans control their population. They're literally standing a few meters right in front of their families. A cavalry strike there is suicide for the men and it'd give the Goths even more reason to fight to the death since they've little left to live for. Even if the main roman army engages, the Gothic force is still big enough to delay and deal a lot of damage. Putting them in an even worse position when the Alan horsemen arrive.
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So Gothic bands were revolting even back then.
Battle of Manzikiert or Battle of Vienna pls.
Great stuff as always.
You are amazing and magnificent, thank you so much for the color and joy you bring to my life. Damn history is tasty!
#Visigothswelcome #notallgoths
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I liked the slower narration. Absolutely great stuff as always though!
i love your videos please continue
>troops charge forward without even being told to
13:27 "well disciplined"
It's easy for you to say, with modern day communication and laws. But literally it takes just one impatient cavalryman to charge and set everything off. Good luck telling them to stop with flags and trumpets.
+nahte armystrong
roman units of the late empire were anything but disciplined. most of the western troops consisted of barbarian mercenaries led by barbarian chieftains and of poor-quality auxiliaries. if these units had to fight the legions from the 1st centuries BC and AD, they would get utterly crushed every time because the legions had a much higher morale, discipline, leadership and training.
exactly he called them well discipline,well armored legionaries,even though the empire at this state in time didn't have the glorious powerful army from other eras in romes history
uncontrolled migration into europe? sounds familiar...
Excellent video, as always. Might you consider covering the Battle of Cannae? Or alternatively Battle of Zama?
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I needed my fix of Baz!