Honestly I think there is one unit that is even better, the Crème RC. It's is just on the 2k mark and those 200EUR more gives you remote control so you can recall your settings like a plugin. I would say it is totally worth it. Great video, loved the demos with different styles of music
We've had the Tegeler Audio Manufaktur Crème in our studio for several years now and use it on almost every mix. Sometimes it even finds its' way into a mastering session. It is a fantastic unit, and as Barry notes, a great value. The only time we don't use it is if we are doing a fully in the box mix. Thanks for sharing your experience, Barry! -chaz
It's been on my radar for awhile and now that the RC (Remote Control) version is out that's the one I would go with because as much as I like twiddling knobs, I bounce between too many projects in a day to be needing to manual recall every single time.
I've got to say, I was sitting here this morning, watching the clock run down on a certain offer going on at Tegeler Audio, and wondering if this piece of equipment would make a big difference in my chiefly ITB setup. Your summary in this video seemed to be a tailored piece of advice sent to me to help with my decision. Thank you.
Sounds terrific Barry. Seems to add weight and character. I've been looking at this unit for a while but am undecided. Do you feel the EQ section is a bit limited in terms of functionality to sculpt the sound more? I guess you're really wanting to make more subtle moves on the mix bus.
The pultec style eq is not made for sculpting or any corrective type work. Its very different function. Unfortunately once you dig in to it means you need to buy more stuff😊.
Barry. As always, wise words in the right place. For a number of years i have used plugins, and yes they have improved so much that you perhaps struggle to justify the financial outlay that anologue gear costs. However, the mix bus is indeed the place where you shape the overall mix. This Tegeler creme is really worth every penny especially if you mix into it. It has wonderful headroom and can handle anything you throw at it. The eq and compressor never sound bad. Truly if you want to buy one piece of analogue gear...... give this a try........it is truly worth it😊
its seems like a lovely unit. I decided to go with the buss + and a fusion (which really is a completely different price tier, purchased together). I used to think that it didnt make a bunch of sense to purchase multiple vca buss compressors - but after hearing some of the Daking stuff my mind is changing on that specifically. Great video Barry!
i have ssl bus + with fusion and is killer combo....but then i have tegeler creme and magnetism 2 and i use those for different tasks and some time in addition the 2 sll.....i never felt need more stuff even if i have others
Hey guys! I would like to add some hardware to my new studio and am currently looking for really useful extensions and sound improvers for my plugins. Also being able to get away from the screen sometimes. I currently have a Cranborne 500 Adat rack with Carnaby Harmonic EQ, SSL Violet EQ and SPl Kultube. But I'm not entirely convinced yet and I still can replace everything relatively well with plugins. Your experiences would certainly be very helpful.
I have absolutely no knowledge on hardware. I own a apollo twin x & am about to invest in my Mac to power it. If you had a piece of hardware to add to a mini home studio. What would you recommend? I do mainly acoustic singer songwriter material, but also love producing pop & hiphop
@@BarryJohns I typed this comment at work and now as I revisit this, I realize budget would’ve been a very useful factor lol. I’d say I’m limited to about $1,500 at this time. I know the Apollo emulates preamps so I suppose I’m a bit confused with what is needed and unnecessary. I am new to the world of self recording and have so much to learn. I’m grateful for your channel and knowledge. I’m also wondering if perhaps building some form of booth is a better investment, so I can even capture high quality recordings.
I think the tegeler creme is best coupled with the tegeler tsm tube summing mixer, tons of headroom going into the cream Do you use a summing mixer at all? If you do try it out, you might like it
Hi Jared - I think there are several possible applications: The first is to actually track through the unit, so you impart all your recorded tracks with some EQ and Compression and get the flavour of it before mixing. You can even send audio out from your DAW and through the unit and record it back in. The second application would be to add this unit to the master outputs 1+2 from your DAW session. Some mixers will add processing to the master bus before they even start a mix, other will add it at a later stage. The concept in running the mix through such a unit from the start of the mix is that all your mixing decisions are based on how the unit reacts. The goal would be to add some unifying glue to all the elements of the mix and gentle sculpt the EQ balance of the song. The third application would be to use it on specific groups of instrument, for example the guitar bus, drum bus, backing vocals etc. The fourth application would be in mastering / finalising your track, again to control the dynamics and overall EQ balance. All that said, I think if you're new to mixing, the subtle nature of these sorts of devices might take a certain amount of experience to appreciate - especially considering the cost.
It's a matter of philosophy. Putting this on the 2-bus before starting mixing is called "top-down-mixing". This has become increasingly popular, because it helps you make decisions based on what the result will ultimately be, instead of making decisions that you might have to go back and correct/re-adjust once you added the 2-bus processing. But if you're just starting out, I strongly suggest you don't think about plugins and hardware units and instead focus on getting your skills, room treatment, and monitors right. Your stock plugins are far better than you give them credit for. That's a promise.
Hi Barry, great review! Question: How do you set something like this up on your mixbus in Logic with an Apollo? How would the routing be? Please help. :/
Just setup your mix to come out of the interface through a pair of outputs that are not the ones that feed your speakers. In my case it's outputs 3 / 4. Then take that output and input that into the Tegeler ( or other outboard processing unit you currently have ). Then take the outputs form the outboard and input them into 2 channels of your interface, (preferably a line level input, in my case I use the returns of channels 1 and 2 of my audient id44) and treat it like any other line level input. Beware of gain. Also beware of your DAW's routing. You don't want your mix and your outboard processed mix to be coming out of the same outputs at the same time. Just be careful before you press play. After this it depends on your process and your daw of choice. For me (in Logic) I prefer to setup a specific buss, route these inputs to that bus and the output of the buss to your main out / stereo out, normally outputs 1 / 2 and apply processing on that bus if necessary. Then press record, play it through, and you're done. There are other ways to do it, for sure. You can set it up as an insert for example, but you would need a great deal of inputs and outputs to do that. This is just the way I do it. Good luck.
@@BarryJohns that’s awesome to hear you say. I ordered the creme and wasn’t sure if I should go RC but all my other analog gear isn’t motorized, so what is one more. Love the channel. Thanks!
Great video! I have been really debating on this for some time and every I check out demos I’m in the fence. I kind of, don’t like the sound.. it’s doesn’t seem to make a mix pop the way I’m looking for, it doesn’t really have a sonic character or saturation that makes me want to buy it. Like you said “marginal” too marginal for my taste.” I bought two 500 series’s units from Wes audio Dione, VCA compressor and the Wes audio Prometheus Pultec eq both can be plugin controlled. each for 1000 and the Pultec has Mid side option within the unit. And a THD option for extended harmonics.
How would the crème stand up against Stam audio sa 4000 ssl style comp vs ssl bus plus ? Im on the fence about these 3 units . Tegeler is running a bundle sale for the crème & Mag 2 comp tape saturation unit
Has the price gone up in the past couple months? Just under $2,500 seems to be the current price. $2,480 at Vintage King, for instance. This thing definitely appears to be a badass value, and piece, overall.
Why don't you use your own music for demos? I don't think I've seen q single piece of music from you. That Long Way From Home example is horrible. The producer chose to add ill-fated claps or snapping fingers that literally sound like pops and clicks that are common to a poor buffer settings. So distracting that its all I heard.
Who actually plays that song? I don't know what it's supposed to sound like but I kinda like it. lol The one at 6:46 is what you're referring to right?
Since some of the greatest mixers are entirely in the box in terms of processing and multiple performed tests on individuals as well as audio engineering communities prove, that people can't tell the sonic difference between analog and digital processing, there really is no reason to invest in hardware as a mixing engineer, unless you want to impress clients and colleagues or insist on touching knobs.
The point here is not that a lot of top engineers are in the box these days (and still a lot are on a hybrid set up). The point is that the raw tracks those top engineers get sound better than most people's mixes. If you want to mix in the box, that's fine. But without top recordings it is damn hard to get radio ready mixes out of it. And I nit only mean recordings, I am also talking about the arrangement and a producer. There is a lot that has to be taken into the equation. But to start with the most important part: If your analog recording are poor, you are hardly able to get that fixed later in the process. And how do you get amazing records (of course you need great musicians and a great room)? But you need great analog preamps / channelstrips..channels trips... That's a fact!
@@thorstenweimar1190 it's nonsense that you can't get "radio-ready mixes" in the box or get them any better analog. Granted, great recordings are a condition for great mixes. And yes, in production you can benefit from analog, if you're using live instruments - mainly because of the zero latency analog offers and the fact that you need a mic to record live instruments and thus (at least the mic) always needs to include analog. Utterly ridiculous to claim that - once the recording is recorded - you sonically benefit from analog in mixing or mastering. You benefit in terms of impressing clients, you benefit by being able to touch knobs and feeling fancy, but other than that, there is no benefit. I wrote a blog on this topic. Feel free to search for it: "Digital harshness vs analog fairy dust". I demystify the common prejudices by explaining where they came from (because they once WERE true, butt not anymore). And THAT's a fact. Good day to you!
@@atacamabeatsindierecording8406I never said it was a joke, but oversampling and working in high sample rates can get rid of most issues, provided you saturate at reasonable levels. Very unlikely that you add so much saturation in mastering, that aliasing plays a big role.
Honestly I think there is one unit that is even better, the Crème RC. It's is just on the 2k mark and those 200EUR more gives you remote control so you can recall your settings like a plugin. I would say it is totally worth it.
Great video, loved the demos with different styles of music
I love it Barry, Thanks!
We've had the Tegeler Audio Manufaktur Crème in our studio for several years now and use it on almost every mix. Sometimes it even finds its' way into a mastering session. It is a fantastic unit, and as Barry notes, a great value. The only time we don't use it is if we are doing a fully in the box mix. Thanks for sharing your experience, Barry! -chaz
ive had my eyes on this product
thank you for sharing
Great demo!!! Thank you!
Wow sounded great! I was thinking of saving for a RND MBP. Now I think the Crème is the way to go. Thank you for making this great review!
I have one.. can't live wihtout it!
nice video man.
It's been on my radar for awhile and now that the RC (Remote Control) version is out that's the one I would go with because as much as I like twiddling knobs, I bounce between too many projects in a day to be needing to manual recall every single time.
I trust your judgement Barry and will be giving this one some review for my home studio setup.
I've got to say, I was sitting here this morning, watching the clock run down on a certain offer going on at Tegeler Audio, and wondering if this piece of equipment would make a big difference in my chiefly ITB setup. Your summary in this video seemed to be a tailored piece of advice sent to me to help with my decision. Thank you.
Sounds terrific Barry. Seems to add weight and character. I've been looking at this unit for a while but am undecided. Do you feel the EQ section is a bit limited in terms of functionality to sculpt the sound more? I guess you're really wanting to make more subtle moves on the mix bus.
The pultec style eq is not made for sculpting or any corrective type work. Its very different function. Unfortunately once you dig in to it means you need to buy more stuff😊.
Subtle and delicious.
It's been in my studio for about a year, it's on all my mixes.
I use a summing mixer which feeds the Creme, I love it!
Barry. As always, wise words in the right place. For a number of years i have used plugins, and yes they have improved so much that you perhaps struggle to justify the financial outlay that anologue gear costs. However, the mix bus is indeed the place where you shape the overall mix. This Tegeler creme is really worth every penny especially if you mix into it. It has wonderful headroom and can handle anything you throw at it. The eq and compressor never sound bad. Truly if you want to buy one piece of analogue gear...... give this a try........it is truly worth it😊
I am using a creme too, and I do enjoy the EQ very much and useful. I like your videos, keep it up.
For some reason my song 'Into You' sounds speeded up ! where did you find the stems? cheers! Zelmar
Would you recomend new version RC or the first version? Thanx
its seems like a lovely unit. I decided to go with the buss + and a fusion (which really is a completely different price tier, purchased together). I used to think that it didnt make a bunch of sense to purchase multiple vca buss compressors - but after hearing some of the Daking stuff my mind is changing on that specifically. Great video Barry!
@@TN48005 nice! What are you going for next
i have ssl bus + with fusion and is killer combo....but then i have tegeler creme and magnetism 2 and i use those for different tasks and some time in addition the 2 sll.....i never felt need more stuff even if i have others
Excellent video. Great to see you in action
Thanks 👍
Barry, could you PLEASE make a video for setting up a patchbay with cubase/nuendo (labelling, etc inside of DAW).
Hey guys!
I would like to add some hardware to my new studio and am currently looking for really useful extensions and sound improvers for my plugins. Also being able to get away from the screen sometimes. I currently have a Cranborne 500 Adat rack with Carnaby Harmonic EQ, SSL Violet EQ and SPl Kultube. But I'm not entirely convinced yet and I still can replace everything relatively well with plugins. Your experiences would certainly be very helpful.
I have absolutely no knowledge on hardware. I own a apollo twin x & am about to invest in my Mac to power it. If you had a piece of hardware to add to a mini home studio. What would you recommend? I do mainly acoustic singer songwriter material, but also love producing pop & hiphop
That would depend on your budget. A channel strip with a great mic pre and a compressor covers a lot of ground.
@@BarryJohns I typed this comment at work and now as I revisit this, I realize budget would’ve been a very useful factor lol.
I’d say I’m limited to about $1,500 at this time.
I know the Apollo emulates preamps so I suppose I’m a bit confused with what is needed and unnecessary.
I am new to the world of self recording and have so much to learn. I’m grateful for your channel and knowledge.
I’m also wondering if perhaps building some form of booth is a better investment, so I can even capture high quality recordings.
I think the tegeler creme is best coupled with the tegeler tsm tube summing mixer, tons of headroom going into the cream
Do you use a summing mixer at all? If you do try it out, you might like it
I’m new to mixing. Do you use this before you start mixing or at the end of the mix or both? Or depends? Thanks!!
I talk about that in the video. No easy way to get there, watch the “entire” video to learn.
Hi Jared - I think there are several possible applications:
The first is to actually track through the unit, so you impart all your recorded tracks with some EQ and Compression and get the flavour of it before mixing. You can even send audio out from your DAW and through the unit and record it back in.
The second application would be to add this unit to the master outputs 1+2 from your DAW session. Some mixers will add processing to the master bus before they even start a mix, other will add it at a later stage. The concept in running the mix through such a unit from the start of the mix is that all your mixing decisions are based on how the unit reacts. The goal would be to add some unifying glue to all the elements of the mix and gentle sculpt the EQ balance of the song.
The third application would be to use it on specific groups of instrument, for example the guitar bus, drum bus, backing vocals etc.
The fourth application would be in mastering / finalising your track, again to control the dynamics and overall EQ balance.
All that said, I think if you're new to mixing, the subtle nature of these sorts of devices might take a certain amount of experience to appreciate - especially considering the cost.
It's a matter of philosophy. Putting this on the 2-bus before starting mixing is called "top-down-mixing". This has become increasingly popular, because it helps you make decisions based on what the result will ultimately be, instead of making decisions that you might have to go back and correct/re-adjust once you added the 2-bus processing. But if you're just starting out, I strongly suggest you don't think about plugins and hardware units and instead focus on getting your skills, room treatment, and monitors right. Your stock plugins are far better than you give them credit for. That's a promise.
Hi Barry, great review!
Question: How do you set something like this up on your mixbus in Logic with an Apollo? How would the routing be? Please help. :/
Just setup your mix to come out of the interface through a pair of outputs that are not the ones that feed your speakers. In my case it's outputs 3 / 4.
Then take that output and input that into the Tegeler ( or other outboard processing unit you currently have ).
Then take the outputs form the outboard and input them into 2 channels of your interface, (preferably a line level input, in my case I use the returns of channels 1 and 2 of my audient id44) and treat it like any other line level input.
Beware of gain. Also beware of your DAW's routing. You don't want your mix and your outboard processed mix to be coming out of the same outputs at the same time. Just be careful before you press play. After this it depends on your process and your daw of choice. For me (in Logic) I prefer to setup a specific buss, route these inputs to that bus and the output of the buss to your main out / stereo out, normally outputs 1 / 2 and apply processing on that bus if necessary. Then press record, play it through, and you're done.
There are other ways to do it, for sure. You can set it up as an insert for example, but you would need a great deal of inputs and outputs to do that. This is just the way I do it.
Good luck.
@@bugamail Dude! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this to me. You absolute legend! Thank you.
Is there any reason you opted for the Creme and not Creme RC? Thanks!
I personally did not think the motorized knobs was going to be that beneficial. The vast majority of the time it’s a set and forget for me.
@@BarryJohns that’s awesome to hear you say. I ordered the creme and wasn’t sure if I should go RC but all my other analog gear isn’t motorized, so what is one more. Love the channel. Thanks!
Great video! I have been really debating on this for some time and every I check out demos I’m in the fence. I kind of, don’t like the sound.. it’s doesn’t seem to make a mix pop the way I’m looking for, it doesn’t really have a sonic character or saturation that makes me want to buy it. Like you said “marginal” too marginal for my taste.”
I bought two 500 series’s units from Wes audio Dione, VCA compressor and the Wes audio Prometheus Pultec eq both can be plugin controlled. each for 1000 and the Pultec has Mid side option within the unit. And a THD option for extended harmonics.
How would the crème stand up against Stam audio sa 4000 ssl style comp vs ssl bus plus ? Im on the fence about these 3 units . Tegeler is running a bundle sale for the crème & Mag 2 comp tape saturation unit
I own the Stam as well, I really like the Stam, it have stopped using it since getting the Crème.
Review about neve mbt please 🙏
Beefy!
Has the price gone up in the past couple months? Just under $2,500 seems to be the current price. $2,480 at Vintage King, for instance. This thing definitely appears to be a badass value, and piece, overall.
They are on sale right now until Aug 30. 1999 euros for creme and mag 2. Killer deal
Why don't you use your own music for demos? I don't think I've seen q single piece of music from you. That Long Way From Home example is horrible. The producer chose to add ill-fated claps or snapping fingers that literally sound like pops and clicks that are common to a poor buffer settings. So distracting that its all I heard.
Who actually plays that song? I don't know what it's supposed to sound like but I kinda like it. lol The one at 6:46 is what you're referring to right?
Since some of the greatest mixers are entirely in the box in terms of processing and multiple performed tests on individuals as well as audio engineering communities prove, that people can't tell the sonic difference between analog and digital processing, there really is no reason to invest in hardware as a mixing engineer, unless you want to impress clients and colleagues or insist on touching knobs.
The point here is not that a lot of top engineers are in the box these days (and still a lot are on a hybrid set up). The point is that the raw tracks those top engineers get sound better than most people's mixes.
If you want to mix in the box, that's fine. But without top recordings it is damn hard to get radio ready mixes out of it. And I nit only mean recordings, I am also talking about the arrangement and a producer.
There is a lot that has to be taken into the equation. But to start with the most important part: If your analog recording are poor, you are hardly able to get that fixed later in the process.
And how do you get amazing records (of course you need great musicians and a great room)? But you need great analog preamps / channelstrips..channels trips...
That's a fact!
@@thorstenweimar1190 it's nonsense that you can't get "radio-ready mixes" in the box or get them any better analog.
Granted, great recordings are a condition for great mixes. And yes, in production you can benefit from analog, if you're using live instruments - mainly because of the zero latency analog offers and the fact that you need a mic to record live instruments and thus (at least the mic) always needs to include analog.
Utterly ridiculous to claim that - once the recording is recorded - you sonically benefit from analog in mixing or mastering.
You benefit in terms of impressing clients, you benefit by being able to touch knobs and feeling fancy, but other than that, there is no benefit.
I wrote a blog on this topic. Feel free to search for it: "Digital harshness vs analog fairy dust". I demystify the common prejudices by explaining where they came from (because they once WERE true, butt not anymore).
And THAT's a fact. Good day to you!
@@schoenerbeatsthanks for cleaning that up for everyone
I do hybrid edm mastering, Aliasing is not a joke…..
@@atacamabeatsindierecording8406I never said it was a joke, but oversampling and working in high sample rates can get rid of most issues, provided you saturate at reasonable levels.
Very unlikely that you add so much saturation in mastering, that aliasing plays a big role.