no fun Q&A pinned comment this week, just a reminder to be civil in the comments. you guys are usually good about this and i always encourage you to say what YOU think. but considering 2 of the past 3 vinyl mondays have made their way to the musicians’ families, and all the sensitive topics at hand, please be mindful of who could see this comments section. TLDR: don’t act a fool. thanks, - AD
When will you do review on "Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus"??? Randy California was going to go to England with Jimi Hendrix, but he was underage, so Chas said no. The record is great front to back.
@@BIZARBIESi love them. that's a fine album and i also think the family that plays together, if not overlooked should be celebrated more. darlin if and I got a line on you are songs to live with.
This may sound like a joke, but I'm serious. I hated grunge and stopped listening to rock for a decade because of it, so I know nothing about this album. But when I saw last week that you'd be doing something by Hole, I did a search to see what the album was. Let me warn your many older viewers: do NOT search for the phrase Courtney Love Hole without safe search on. You'll never be able to unsee what it shows you.
Kristen's playing was so stellar that she didn't have to do a single overdubs on the entire album, which is pretty much unheard of. She was a talented musician
I saw Hole in the fall of 94 in a very small club with the opening act Veruca Salt. Love jumped into the crowd, brought a guy on stage that touched her and she beat him up.
Not really surprising, a lot of doctors are narcissists. Much like cops, nurses, teachers etc. they attract people who genuinely want to help others and absolute psychos who want to have power over other people. 😩
A lot of doctors, therapists, nurses, etc. are narcissists. Those jobs attract people who genuinely want to help others but also people who want to exert control and inflict pain on others, It sucks but it’s the nature of the beast. I’ve def experienced that. 😩
Mark Lanegan (my all time favorite singer) wrote a fantastic memoir called Sing Backwards and Weep that has some great insight into Kurt (who was arguably his closest friend) and Courtney. I learned a lot about her. She is very rough around the edges but she’s got a good heart. Actually, when Mark ended up a homeless in the height of his drug addiction, it was Courtney out of the blue that picked him off the street, put him in rehab, and paid every cent for him out of her pocket. He calls her his guardian angel and says she saved his life. Highly recommend, he was a fantastic writer. He also has some stories about Kristen Pfaff, they got along great and were actually going to go out as soon as she was back in town. Then she OD’d, and thoughts of what could have been haunted him the rest of his life. If you’re interested in it, listen on audible; he reads it himself :)
This album had the misfortune of coming out one week after Kurt's tragic suicide & was unjustly maligned for it. That was David Geffens choice not to recall & temporarily delay the release date.
I remember when it came out and MTV noted that the album was already in the pipeline, that the cds had been printed, promo copies had already been sent to critics and radio stations, and magazines had already started their issues with the reviews going to press. If they had not shipped the cds, the hundreds of promo copies out there would have been copied and found their way onto the bootleg market in short order. It was a weird time, and at first it was somewhat uncomfortable for me to hear the albums and see the videos so soon after losing Kurt.
The fact that this album was so successful, given the timing of it's release and the animosity Courtney was subject to, was pretty remarkable. It had to be really f'm good or it would have been dismissed with prejudice.
Thanks wholeheartedly Abby for giving a shout out to Kristen Pfaff. She was the elusive musical anchor that gave Hole the stability it needed during that particular time period. "Live Through This" wouldn't have the overall structural focus without Kristen's efforts. The fact that she maintained a stoic front during the creation of the record while dealing with a drug problem and putting up with Courtney's personality shifts is nothing short of remarkable. It's understandable why she left Hole to focus on her own artistic pursuits. Which makes her early death all the more tragic and eerie...
Live Through This is one of the most underrated rock albums not only of the 90s but of all time. Yeah it won album of the year from Rolling Stone but it isn't remembered or mentioned nearly enough. Great from start to finish.
Coincidentally, here in Australia we have a long running music video program on the national public broadcaster called Rage that has guest artists/bands selecting their personal favourites and then concluding with their own stuff, and the one ep featuring Hole circa late 90's was repeated last week, forcing me to dig out my long unlistened to (but still loved) CD from my collection, as I refuse to stream my music. Perhaps it's my age (47), but the album still sounds as visceral as I remember. Violet, one of the best gut-punch openers to a record, ever.
I have been watching your videos for around a week now. They've kept sane. I'm surprised at how many albums you've reviewed I own myself. Also some that I haven't but am now curious about. Fantastic stuff. Keep it going. How about the Deep Purple sixties albums, MK1 thanks😊
Kristen Pfaff went to the Catholic school down the street from my high school. I didn't know her, but she was only a couple years older than I was, so when she died a lot of my friends who had graduated from that school mourned her passing all too soon. She was generally remembered as talented and smart. What a strange time. I remember almost everything about that year.
Courtney is 59 and possibly calming down even Francis is 31 , time flies , live through this sold over 1m copies in the US , yes Courtney we loved your music, now to watch the eclipse im near the totality path , by all means dedicate more vinyl Mondays to women in rock
Abby, thank you. I also have to thank Courtney Love & Company for getting me "through this" in 1994 when we were facing illness and death in the family, as well as our family falling apart at the time. I couldn't get enough of her screaming, it was so cathartic. I was 31 at the time.
I was dating Kristen Pfaff in the late 80s and asked her if she ever thought of playing in a band. She immediately answered “bass” with Kim Gordon as her inspiration. Within 24 hours, she had a used bass and amp. Within a week, she could play the entire Surfer Rosa album. Her unique style emerged fairly quickly. She was driven and she was talented. Like you, I wish I could have seen what she would have done next. Thank you for this video. It’s wonderful to see that Kristen’s gift still connects with others
Thanks for this. I got early 90s bands all wrong. As an auld punk from the late 70s I heard the emerging American bands in the 90s and thought the same as John Lydon in an interview from the time: "Now they get it." I saw and heard the same kind of image grooming as any major label token punk band from the 70s. After Cobain's death (for my gen. Ian Curtis' death still stings) I took a closer look and heard a lot of refinement and a kind of fearless vulnerability that cut through all the dusty sounding overdrive pedal rigmarole. Getting over what I saw as the over-performed interviews with Love I happily accepted a cassette of this album and was surprised to find myself leaving it on. I agree on the Young Marble Giants cover as it took the song way off track but somewhere compelling (no point in Hole trying to sound like YMG). And I was unexpectedly reminded of someone else (and it's not because they're both women): Chrissie Hynde who led The Pretenders with some pretty raw accounts of her own path. Don't know if you ever got into them but The Pretenders' debut LP might be worth a spin, here. Oh, and nice action match on the catch. :)
Geeze Abigail, after this i jumped into the ocean just to revive my senses, That episode was absolutely mind numbing, great work at your mental health's expense. Dig your style, aloha
Fantastic! Great job! Great album! I was there when it came out and bought it in my 20’s. She came to Rochester, NY a few months later w/Melissa on bass and Drew Barrymore hanging backstage. I agree with just about everything you said, nice work as usual! Rob
I'm so glad we got a vinyl Monday on Hole omg their debut album is good too, Courtney is so overhated it's insane. Yes she's done some bad stuff but people act like Kurt was some saint when he was just as I guess "intense"
This is bringing back memories of my first year of high school and being 16 growing up to amazing music such as this the early to mid 90s had some fantastic music
Crazy timing for this video. I was just talking with my Insta friend last week about being at one of those Sonic Youth/Nirvana shows in Las Vegas at Calamity’s back in the day. I found a flyer for it online. Tickets were $10. 😂
I feel the same way about this album, as I did when it first came out: Live Through This is an outstanding album. It's fulled with the same angst and power that Nevermind brought, maybe even more so. Celebrity Skin was a good follow up, but it will never have the same first impact as Live... did.
@@abigaildevoe ❤️I'm being serious though😵💫, there are some albums that are just so darkly intense that I feel bad for recommending them. That would be one of them, despite how commercially successful it was, it goes to a place not many other records go to.
When Alanis Morrisette's "You Ought to Know" was big on the charts, 40 y o me and some college students went over to Atlantic City, they to gamble, me to play poker. We listened to a MTV playlist radio station. Despite being a teen of the sixties, it was the literally the first time I liked every song I heard ! .... So its great you can dig music from another era. That revelation reminded me of listening to the AM top 40 count down as a kid. Number one coming up ! Will it be the Beatles ? Will it be the Stones ? Will it be the Supremes ?... " Strangers in the night , exchanging glances ..."
Was hoping you'd get to this one following your In Utero review a few months back. I completely agree with pretty much everything you raised on both videos in regards to the context as well as trying to separate art from artist as tricky as that can be sometimes as well as showing empathy for the myriad of crap that happened
I'll just say that I'm a huge fan of Melissa auf Der Maur (from Montreal, Canada... and was hired by Courtney after being recommended by Billy Corgan)... anyways, I met her about 20 years ago and she was very nice (ahem *she rocks)!🎶
@abigaildevoe Actually there's an interesting back story to Melissa meeting Billy at a Smashing Pumpkins club show (for probably Gish... possibly Siamese Dream). She went to talk to Billy post-show to apologize for her unruly friend who threw something at Billy when he was playing. (this was in Montreal btw) So I guess they kept corresponding, and her band at the time named Tinker ended up opening for S.P. at the Montreal Forum stop of The Infinite Sadness World Tour in 1995 or 96. 😲👍
@cyyoung7840 actually she only toured with them on the MACHINA tour, and also played their "last show" at the Metro in Chicago in 2002 (or 1). Unfortunately she never played on a Smashing Pumpkins album, but she's on Hole "Celebrity Skin" and has a solo album.
A teenage Courtney lived in Liverpool for a while before she was famous. Even the otherwise-indomitable Pete Burns (Dead or Alive) was terrified of her. I bought the first LP when it came out and saw the original lineup in Manchester when they were touring it - one of my top 3 gigs of the 90s. Live Through This became a bit too much of a circus and I drifted away. But "Celebrity Skin" is still one of my favourite albums of all time. I'm in the minority here I guess - but I preferred Hole to Nirvana BITD. And still do TBH.
Thank you for talking about this masterpiece ♥️ I love Courtney Love and I saw another comment on here saying this too but Cher & Courtney Love both have similar yet beautifully low voices🎶The story around this album is really sad💔but you explained it beautifully💃thank you!!❤
Thanks for the review! Spot on. I love the first 2 Hole LPs. Then they unfortunately became a parody of themselves. My introduction was "Teenage Whore" played on a radio show on WPRB, Princeton, NJ. Back when Pretty on the Inside just came out. My favorite station of all time to this day! I made live mixtapes of the shows and that song fractured my soft fragile eggshell mind! Permanent Damage! Lol hint hint review please...
I don't know much about Hole other than their main hits, but I've been watching through your videos even about albums I'm not familiar with just because I like your review style so much. I would love to see more female-fronted bands on Vinyl Monday. If you ever happen to review The Runaways, I'll be in the comment section with bells on.
Your energy was off the charts on this one, Abbie. I'M exhausted just listening! Making it must've been a beast. But it was an incredible narrative. Thank you! Keep on doing...
Courtney was the lead vocalist for a Portland band Theatre of Sheep right around the time she was a stripper. An old buddy of mine was the bass player/leader, and to this day he tells the story of how she trashed his house when she quit the band. And her replacement? Meredith Brooks. Yes, THAT Meredith Brooks😳
This was my scene, I opened for a lot of grunge/noise rock bands, met most of the players and put a lot of them up. Courtney I never really met (same room, too afraid of her to engage😅), but you have to understand that she was a outsized personality in the underground before Hole and grunge even existed. She had burned through a whole scene before the 80s even closed. I think a lot of what people might perceive as sexism started as "her reputation precedes her"; second hand, third hand, telephone stories - based in some truth but distorted well out of shape. I have never listened to this album, though I've heard all of the songs. Personally, I prefer PRETTY ON THE INSIDE; "Teenage Whore" was a banger we cranked all summer. Say what you want, that woman is an amazing lyricist. Fantastic episode - looking forward to your Sonic Youth episode for my December birthday (I recommend DAYDREAM NATION over GOO. Also, I believe their last album, THE ETERNAL was their most commercially successful - no clue why, it's maybe their least compelling). MY REC: Public Image Limited - METAL BOX
@@terryenglish7132 I can't see it. Kim is doing fine on her own, Thurston doesn't appear to be able to travel long distances last I heard (incapable of doing his book tour), they might not get along. I'm sure Lee and Steve would be down, but I can't see it happening
@@MarsHottentot It was just a joke. I just find the rename funny since they weren't actually young when they were Sonic Youth. But thanks, info is always good. Yeah, Kim wouldn't be on board.
Thanks for sharing. I bought "Live Through This" on cassette shortly after its release. I remember liking it and listening to it repeatedly front to back on my Wallkman. Favorite tracks: "Violet" and the cover of "Credit in the Straight World." When I was in grad school and was a teaching assistant, one of professors I worked with liked to quote the line from "Doll Parts," "I fake it so real/I am beyond fake." I remember I liked Hole, especially the tracks I heard from the follow-up, "Celebrity Skin," the title track and "Malibu." Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular
I don't know if my brother had Live Through This. But he had In Utero. He was crazy about Nirvana and The Smashing Pumpkins. Dang, if I was really crazy about Grunge. It could turn milk sour, it could attract flies. Dang, what an image of words. Great description. 2
FYI, Kathleen Hanna will be touring to support the release of her memoir "Rebel Girl" in May. She'll be having ppl like Amy Poehler and Molly Ringwald with her. She'll also be doing a Bikini Kill tour in August incl. 2 nights in Brooklyn. FYI: Kurt got the phrase "Teen Spirit" from Hanna. Also worthwhile is the 2013 movie "The Punk Singer". Really great.
Courtney is a badass. Wouldn’t want her as my girlfriend or wife, or neighbor for that matter, but she’s a brilliant artist in every way. Oh, and BTW, even though it gets piled on as being a “pop” record, I think Celebrity Skin is an even better album.
@@Valentyne90 "whitechocolatespaceegg" could have been even better. Have you heard her songs "Bloodkeeper" or "Bars Of The Bed?" If you haven't, track them down. Try to find all of her outtakes. Hell, her much maligned eponymous album would have been a ton better if she only had the songs "Down," "Jeremy Engle," "Fine Again" and others from her "comeandgetit" EP on it.
Seeing hole live was the first time i learned to be scared of a crowd. People will stand motionless for a heavy band but bring on a messy band and the crowd gets scary fast.
That was quite the ODYSSEY, and very insightful, another great ODE to a 90s vinyl classic, but it's TIME for me to go now, mystery science theater 3000 channel is showing a '44 b-movie 🍿🎥 about a ZOMBIE apocalypse , take CARE
Loved how you snuck a clip of Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" in there - on the "day of the eclipse" here today. I'm guessing that was no mistake, as clever as you are. Let's make Heart's 'Dreamboat Annie' album 8 for women-fronted bands. Just a suggestion...
Even where it was cloudy, so long as you were in the path of totality, it was pretty enchantingly eerie to see an early afternoon sky briefly turn as dark as dusk.
This album is my roman empire, seriously. There’s many things I don’t like about Courtney but I just can’t stand the conspiracy theories, I literally used to fight ppl online about it (and still do tbh), to me they’re the same ppl that glorify Kurt’s death.
Courtney appears to have recycled the title 'Live Through This' from a lyric in the original version of "Best Sunday Dress" that appeared on the demo tape from her pre-Hole band Pagan Babies. The lyrics from the opening verse of that song are "Terrified of the corruption / Hear the thump of every breath / I'm going to, I'm going to / I'm going to live through this." (That song also included the phrase "pound of flesh", which would later be used again in Hole's "Celebrity Skin").
Abby check out this overlooked all female 80's band, THE PANDORAS. Their lead singer/song writer/ guitarist died of a brain aneurysm in 1991 @ the age of 31. They have this mid 60's garage band sound. Here's a track to check out... "The Pandoras - In And Out Of My Life In A Day". They recorded 2 LPs.
This is an amazing album. You only wish you could have lived through this era. Courtney proved she could rock as hard as the guys. She was always thought of as a wannabe but this proves other wise!
I really liked this album back in the day, and it is still my favorite grunge record. There is a tendency in America to blame our hero's faults on the women in their lives. Courtney has become the Yoko Ono of the grunge movement. Like John Lennon, Curt was the cause of most of his own problems; and like Yoko, Courtney is vastly underrated as an artist. Yoko didn't split up the Beatles and Courtney didn't cause Curt's suicide.
I bought this album as soon as I saw it released here in Canada. Still reeling from the loss of Kurt its kind of crazy how the album came out literally a week after Kurt's death. The huge advances in song writing made many including myself at the time think Kurt helped a lot with the songs but I no longer think that. Being in high school at the time I bought this album at lunch one day and got heckled by my friends for buying the album due to the conspiracy of Kurt's death at the time. Its a very good album though and I still enjoy it today.
Unfortunately, many people have hated on this album simply because they had some problem with Courtney. Live Through This is a brilliant album and really ought to be judged on its own merit.
I love this record, in my opinion it’s up there with the best of the early 90s. I hate the whole “Kurt wrote it” thing. It’s clearly Courtney’s lyrics, she absolutely took inspiration from Kurt but I mean, he was her husband so it makes sense. In a perfect world, Kurt & Kristen would have married.
That "8 albums" thing got me thinking. Do bands ever hold back a couple songs they think are singles/hits until the last record in their contract as insurance for getting renewed?
no fun Q&A pinned comment this week, just a reminder to be civil in the comments. you guys are usually good about this and i always encourage you to say what YOU think. but considering 2 of the past 3 vinyl mondays have made their way to the musicians’ families, and all the sensitive topics at hand, please be mindful of who could see this comments section.
TLDR: don’t act a fool.
thanks,
- AD
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honestly i have seen this cover before but i cant put my finger on it
But thx Abbey for this vinyl monday 🙂
When will you do review on "Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus"???
Randy California was going to go to England with Jimi Hendrix, but he was underage, so Chas said no.
The record is great front to back.
@@BIZARBIESi love them. that's a fine album and i also think the family that plays together, if not overlooked should be celebrated more. darlin if and I got a line on you are songs to live with.
This may sound like a joke, but I'm serious. I hated grunge and stopped listening to rock for a decade because of it, so I know nothing about this album. But when I saw last week that you'd be doing something by Hole, I did a search to see what the album was. Let me warn your many older viewers: do NOT search for the phrase Courtney Love Hole without safe search on. You'll never be able to unsee what it shows you.
Kristen's playing was so stellar that she didn't have to do a single overdubs on the entire album, which is pretty much unheard of. She was a talented musician
I saw Hole in the fall of 94 in a very small club with the opening act Veruca Salt. Love jumped into the crowd, brought a guy on stage that touched her and she beat him up.
this isn't an easy assignment and you did a good job with it.
And you have to love the irony that Courtney’s mother is a therapist. That’s almost the plot of a horror movie
Not really surprising, a lot of doctors are narcissists. Much like cops, nurses, teachers etc. they attract people who genuinely want to help others and absolute psychos who want to have power over other people. 😩
A lot of doctors, therapists, nurses, etc. are narcissists. Those jobs attract people who genuinely want to help others but also people who want to exert control and inflict pain on others, It sucks but it’s the nature of the beast. I’ve def experienced that. 😩
Mark Lanegan (my all time favorite singer) wrote a fantastic memoir called Sing Backwards and Weep that has some great insight into Kurt (who was arguably his closest friend) and Courtney. I learned a lot about her. She is very rough around the edges but she’s got a good heart. Actually, when Mark ended up a homeless in the height of his drug addiction, it was Courtney out of the blue that picked him off the street, put him in rehab, and paid every cent for him out of her pocket. He calls her his guardian angel and says she saved his life. Highly recommend, he was a fantastic writer. He also has some stories about Kristen Pfaff, they got along great and were actually going to go out as soon as she was back in town. Then she OD’d, and thoughts of what could have been haunted him the rest of his life. If you’re interested in it, listen on audible; he reads it himself :)
This album had the misfortune of coming out one week after Kurt's tragic suicide & was unjustly maligned for it. That was David Geffens choice not to recall & temporarily delay the release date.
iirc it had already been delayed once from 93 to 94. it might’ve been a good call to delay it again.
I remember when it came out and MTV noted that the album was already in the pipeline, that the cds had been printed, promo copies had already been sent to critics and radio stations, and magazines had already started their issues with the reviews going to press. If they had not shipped the cds, the hundreds of promo copies out there would have been copied and found their way onto the bootleg market in short order. It was a weird time, and at first it was somewhat uncomfortable for me to hear the albums and see the videos so soon after losing Kurt.
The fact that this album was so successful, given the timing of it's release and the animosity Courtney was subject to, was pretty remarkable. It had to be really f'm good or it would have been dismissed with prejudice.
ever since you mentioned Live Through This during your In Utero video, I’ve been so hyped for this review.
Holy shit, 30 years? Christ I'm old, where did my life go? Now I'm depressed. LOL
I’m still hoping and praying that this gets the super deluxe reissue treatment. Such an amazing album.
Thanks wholeheartedly Abby for giving a shout out to Kristen Pfaff. She was the elusive musical anchor that gave Hole the stability it needed during that particular time period. "Live Through This" wouldn't have the overall structural focus without Kristen's efforts. The fact that she maintained a stoic front during the creation of the record while dealing with a drug problem and putting up with Courtney's personality shifts is nothing short of remarkable. It's understandable why she left Hole to focus on her own artistic pursuits. Which makes her early death all the more tragic and eerie...
Live Through This is one of the most underrated rock albums not only of the 90s but of all time. Yeah it won album of the year from Rolling Stone but it isn't remembered or mentioned nearly enough. Great from start to finish.
Coincidentally, here in Australia we have a long running music video program on the national public broadcaster called Rage that has guest artists/bands selecting their personal favourites and then concluding with their own stuff, and the one ep featuring Hole circa late 90's was repeated last week, forcing me to dig out my long unlistened to (but still loved) CD from my collection, as I refuse to stream my music. Perhaps it's my age (47), but the album still sounds as visceral as I remember. Violet, one of the best gut-punch openers to a record, ever.
I really didn't think you'd actually go through with this. You did a great job of staying balanced and analytical without sugar coating anything.
She didn't just go through it. She *lived* it. (ahahahaha I will not see another day after this).
You nailed it! No matter everything that surrounds it, this is an incredibly moving album.
This review was BRILLIANT BRILLIANT BRILLIANT. Excellent work analyzing a classic. You’ve made another fan. :-)
Watching this I'm reminded of the lace-babydoll dress wars that seemed to be happening with the 90s groups
I have been watching your videos for around a week now. They've kept sane.
I'm surprised at how many albums you've reviewed I own myself. Also some that I haven't but am now curious about. Fantastic stuff. Keep it going. How about the Deep Purple sixties albums, MK1 thanks😊
Kristen Pfaff went to the Catholic school down the street from my high school. I didn't know her, but she was only a couple years older than I was, so when she died a lot of my friends who had graduated from that school mourned her passing all too soon. She was generally remembered as talented and smart. What a strange time. I remember almost everything about that year.
Courtney is 59 and possibly calming down even Francis is 31 , time flies , live through this sold over 1m copies in the US , yes Courtney we loved your music, now to watch the eclipse im near the totality path , by all means dedicate more vinyl Mondays to women in rock
Abby, thank you. I also have to thank Courtney Love & Company for getting me "through this" in 1994 when we were facing illness and death in the family, as well as our family falling apart at the time. I couldn't get enough of her screaming, it was so cathartic. I was 31 at the time.
I was dating Kristen Pfaff in the late 80s and asked her if she ever thought of playing in a band. She immediately answered “bass” with Kim Gordon as her inspiration. Within 24 hours, she had a used bass and amp. Within a week, she could play the entire Surfer Rosa album. Her unique style emerged fairly quickly. She was driven and she was talented. Like you, I wish I could have seen what she would have done next.
Thank you for this video. It’s wonderful to see that Kristen’s gift still connects with others
She sounds like a really cool person to have known.
@mikehuber8068 you dated kristen?.wow. what was she like when you knew her? Where did you take her on dates? She's a fascinating person.
Live Through This Is A Magnificent Album ! 🎶 Someday You Will Ache , Like I Ache 🎶
Thanks for this. I got early 90s bands all wrong. As an auld punk from the late 70s I heard the emerging American bands in the 90s and thought the same as John Lydon in an interview from the time: "Now they get it." I saw and heard the same kind of image grooming as any major label token punk band from the 70s. After Cobain's death (for my gen. Ian Curtis' death still stings) I took a closer look and heard a lot of refinement and a kind of fearless vulnerability that cut through all the dusty sounding overdrive pedal rigmarole. Getting over what I saw as the over-performed interviews with Love I happily accepted a cassette of this album and was surprised to find myself leaving it on. I agree on the Young Marble Giants cover as it took the song way off track but somewhere compelling (no point in Hole trying to sound like YMG). And I was unexpectedly reminded of someone else (and it's not because they're both women): Chrissie Hynde who led The Pretenders with some pretty raw accounts of her own path. Don't know if you ever got into them but The Pretenders' debut LP might be worth a spin, here. Oh, and nice action match on the catch. :)
Brilliant review, extremely difficult subject matter. What a great channel!
3:03 thanks for the full quote - your art history training is showing :) (going to the source, checking the context of the quote...)
Geeze Abigail, after this i jumped into the ocean just to revive my senses, That episode was absolutely mind numbing, great work at your mental health's expense. Dig your style, aloha
I had no knowledge of Hole, or Courtney's music. But found this entertaining. Thanks
congrats on being 1/3 of the way to 100k!!!! positively awesome video as always
"Live Through This" is 30 years old...and damn, does this make my arthritis hurt!
Me too
Imagine being 17 years old when it first came out and now being 47.😩😭
@@BarbaraBaker-c2xGeez, I'm the same age as you. Getting old sucks.
I've been waiting for this episode since your said you would do it!!! Thanks for the great content as always
Fantastic! Great job! Great album! I was there when it came out and bought it in my 20’s. She came to Rochester, NY a few months later w/Melissa on bass and Drew Barrymore hanging backstage. I agree with just about everything you said, nice work as usual! Rob
I'm so glad we got a vinyl Monday on Hole omg their debut album is good too, Courtney is so overhated it's insane. Yes she's done some bad stuff but people act like Kurt was some saint when he was just as I guess "intense"
This album feels like she's screaming out what bothers you so you don't have to deal with it and just scream along with her. Like that album sm
"Sometimes both of those people are Courtney" I have worked for bosses like that. Thanks Abby YTB
This is bringing back memories of my first year of high school and being 16 growing up to amazing music such as this the early to mid 90s had some fantastic music
Crazy timing for this video. I was just talking with my Insta friend last week about being at one of those Sonic Youth/Nirvana shows in Las Vegas at Calamity’s back in the day. I found a flyer for it online. Tickets were $10. 😂
I feel the same way about this album, as I did when it first came out: Live Through This is an outstanding album. It's fulled with the same angst and power that Nevermind brought, maybe even more so. Celebrity Skin was a good follow up, but it will never have the same first impact as Live... did.
Great episode. They all are, but this one feels really spot on.
I would absolutely be GONE if you did "The downward spiral"....but I don't wish falling in love with that album on anyone. This was wonderful
"i don't wish falling in love with that album on anyone" is one of the greatest things i've ever heard
@@abigaildevoe ❤️I'm being serious though😵💫, there are some albums that are just so darkly intense that I feel bad for recommending them. That would be one of them, despite how commercially successful it was, it goes to a place not many other records go to.
Great episode Abby-So much info-I can't always get free time to listen/watch until 5:30.PM . Thank you-I love your show !!!!!
i can’t wait until this channel blows up, incredible content
Great album just so complex emotionally. It is in your face.
I just got into Hole recently. I'm a metal guy but there's a rawness and heaviness to this album that makes me a fan.
When Alanis Morrisette's "You Ought to Know" was big on the charts, 40 y o me and some college students went over to Atlantic City, they to gamble, me to play poker. We listened to a MTV playlist radio station. Despite being a teen of the sixties, it was the literally the first time I liked every song I heard ! .... So its great you can dig music from another era. That revelation reminded me of listening to the AM top 40 count down as a kid. Number one coming up ! Will it be the Beatles ? Will it be the Stones ? Will it be the Supremes ?... " Strangers in the night , exchanging glances ..."
Love her or hate her, Courtney will always be a polarizing figure with nobody in between
I know what side of the fence I’ve been on since day one
Great job. This is a very good album.
I watched in utero’s vinyl Monday a few days ago and (when you said you would do a vinyl Monday for the 30th) i said… shit! That’s coming soon!
i’m in love with the album cover it’s so iconic
Was hoping you'd get to this one following your In Utero review a few months back. I completely agree with pretty much everything you raised on both videos in regards to the context as well as trying to separate art from artist as tricky as that can be sometimes as well as showing empathy for the myriad of crap that happened
21:25 yes BoJack! One of the greatest animated shows ever
Abi, you are such a beautiful soul!
I'll just say that I'm a huge fan of Melissa auf Der Maur (from Montreal, Canada... and was hired by Courtney after being recommended by Billy Corgan)... anyways, I met her about 20 years ago and she was very nice (ahem *she rocks)!🎶
i was wondering how she popped up on hole’s radar - of COURSE it was billy!
Ironically she was on a couple Smashing Pumpkins 🎃 albums
@abigaildevoe Actually there's an interesting back story to Melissa meeting Billy at a Smashing Pumpkins club show (for probably Gish... possibly Siamese Dream). She went to talk to Billy post-show to apologize for her unruly friend who threw something at Billy when he was playing. (this was in Montreal btw) So I guess they kept corresponding, and her band at the time named Tinker ended up opening for S.P. at the Montreal Forum stop of The Infinite Sadness World Tour in 1995 or 96. 😲👍
@cyyoung7840 actually she only toured with them on the MACHINA tour, and also played their "last show" at the Metro in Chicago in 2002 (or 1). Unfortunately she never played on a Smashing Pumpkins album, but she's on Hole "Celebrity Skin" and has a solo album.
Abbey the thumbnail is incredible. Wow 🏆
A teenage Courtney lived in Liverpool for a while before she was famous. Even the otherwise-indomitable Pete Burns (Dead or Alive) was terrified of her.
I bought the first LP when it came out and saw the original lineup in Manchester when they were touring it - one of my top 3 gigs of the 90s. Live Through This became a bit too much of a circus and I drifted away. But "Celebrity Skin" is still one of my favourite albums of all time. I'm in the minority here I guess - but I preferred Hole to Nirvana BITD. And still do TBH.
Thank you for talking about this masterpiece ♥️ I love Courtney Love and I saw another comment on here saying this too but Cher & Courtney Love both have similar yet beautifully low voices🎶The story around this album is really sad💔but you explained it beautifully💃thank you!!❤
I’ve been waiting since the in utero one for this it’s Gonna be the best
great job on this one!
Thanks for the review! Spot on. I love the first 2 Hole LPs. Then they unfortunately became a parody of themselves. My introduction was "Teenage Whore" played on a radio show on WPRB, Princeton, NJ. Back when Pretty on the Inside just came out. My favorite station of all time to this day! I made live mixtapes of the shows and that song fractured my soft fragile eggshell mind! Permanent Damage! Lol hint hint review please...
I don't know much about Hole other than their main hits, but I've been watching through your videos even about albums I'm not familiar with just because I like your review style so much.
I would love to see more female-fronted bands on Vinyl Monday. If you ever happen to review The Runaways, I'll be in the comment section with bells on.
Your energy was off the charts on this one, Abbie. I'M exhausted just listening! Making it must've been a beast. But it was an incredible narrative. Thank you! Keep on doing...
Love this channel!
Awesome video. I love the lyrics on this album. It was Hole and Veruca Salt for me in those days.
ODESSEY AND ORACLE REDUX LETS FUCKING GOOOO ITS MY FAVORITE ALBUM EVER (besides lizard ofc)
I never heard of them. Im gonna check this out. You made a good job showcasing it 👍👍
Courtney was the lead vocalist for a Portland band Theatre of Sheep right around the time she was a stripper. An old buddy of mine was the bass player/leader, and to this day he tells the story of how she trashed his house when she quit the band. And her replacement? Meredith Brooks. Yes, THAT Meredith Brooks😳
This was my scene, I opened for a lot of grunge/noise rock bands, met most of the players and put a lot of them up. Courtney I never really met (same room, too afraid of her to engage😅), but you have to understand that she was a outsized personality in the underground before Hole and grunge even existed. She had burned through a whole scene before the 80s even closed. I think a lot of what people might perceive as sexism started as "her reputation precedes her"; second hand, third hand, telephone stories - based in some truth but distorted well out of shape.
I have never listened to this album, though I've heard all of the songs. Personally, I prefer PRETTY ON THE INSIDE; "Teenage Whore" was a banger we cranked all summer. Say what you want, that woman is an amazing lyricist.
Fantastic episode - looking forward to your Sonic Youth episode for my December birthday (I recommend DAYDREAM NATION over GOO. Also, I believe their last album, THE ETERNAL was their most commercially successful - no clue why, it's maybe their least compelling).
MY REC: Public Image Limited - METAL BOX
Wfmu Nyc area and online is playing Kims new album. Freeform no commercials radio. Will they all reform as Sonic Seniors ?
@@terryenglish7132 I can't see it. Kim is doing fine on her own, Thurston doesn't appear to be able to travel long distances last I heard (incapable of doing his book tour), they might not get along. I'm sure Lee and Steve would be down, but I can't see it happening
@@MarsHottentot It was just a joke. I just find the rename funny since they weren't actually young when they were Sonic Youth. But thanks, info is always good. Yeah, Kim wouldn't be on board.
@@terryenglish7132 ah, gotcha! Fun fact: they actually considered changing the band name to Washing Machine!
Thanks for sharing. I bought "Live Through This" on cassette shortly after its release. I remember liking it and listening to it repeatedly front to back on my Wallkman. Favorite tracks: "Violet" and the cover of "Credit in the Straight World." When I was in grad school and was a teaching assistant, one of professors I worked with liked to quote the line from "Doll Parts," "I fake it so real/I am beyond fake." I remember I liked Hole, especially the tracks I heard from the follow-up, "Celebrity Skin," the title track and "Malibu." Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular
In the documentary "The Punk Singer", Kathleen Hanna confirms the attack
Just remember kids, as bad as you have it, it could always be worse. You could be Courtney Love's gynocologist.
I don't know if my brother had Live Through This. But he had In Utero. He was crazy about Nirvana and The Smashing Pumpkins. Dang, if I was really crazy about Grunge. It could turn milk sour, it could attract flies. Dang, what an image of words. Great description. 2
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SINCE THE IN UTERO VIDEO😭
I wouldn't imagine I would be into anything Courtney Love, but I really do like that album quite a lot!
FYI, Kathleen Hanna will be touring to support the release of her memoir "Rebel Girl" in May. She'll be having ppl like Amy Poehler and Molly Ringwald with her. She'll also be doing a Bikini Kill tour in August incl. 2 nights in Brooklyn.
FYI: Kurt got the phrase "Teen Spirit" from Hanna.
Also worthwhile is the 2013 movie "The Punk Singer". Really great.
I loved this video!
Courtney is a badass. Wouldn’t want her as my girlfriend or wife, or neighbor for that matter, but she’s a brilliant artist in every way. Oh, and BTW, even though it gets piled on as being a “pop” record, I think Celebrity Skin is an even better album.
Makes her acting performance for Forman even more fascinating.
Sonic Youth, December, you heard it here... But remember, Abigail never said which December 😜
THIS december!!
WOAH Janitor Joe's whips ass! How have I never heard of this band before?
As someone who lives and dies by liz Phair's Exile in Guyvile, i probably need to check this out!
One of my absolute favorites! Do you like her other stuff as well, or does it pretty much begin and end with Exile?
@chrisdelisle3954 oh yeah those other two 90s records are great too!
@@Valentyne90 "whitechocolatespaceegg" could have been even better. Have you heard her songs "Bloodkeeper" or "Bars Of The Bed?" If you haven't, track them down. Try to find all of her outtakes. Hell, her much maligned eponymous album would have been a ton better if she only had the songs "Down," "Jeremy Engle," "Fine Again" and others from her "comeandgetit" EP on it.
Seeing hole live was the first time i learned to be scared of a crowd. People will stand motionless for a heavy band but bring on a messy band and the crowd gets scary fast.
if there's one thing courtney love is, it's gotta be messy
That was quite the ODYSSEY, and very insightful, another great ODE to a 90s vinyl classic, but it's TIME for me to go now, mystery science theater 3000 channel is showing a '44 b-movie 🍿🎥 about a ZOMBIE apocalypse , take CARE
Whatever you feel about Courtney Love this is a classic album it's the music and a favourite album of mine!
A true rebel wonderful stuff!
I really enjoyed it so i watched it twice. Its the repetative nature of my autistic life. ♈️🙋♂️
Loved how you snuck a clip of Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" in there - on the "day of the eclipse" here today.
I'm guessing that was no mistake, as clever as you are.
Let's make Heart's 'Dreamboat Annie' album 8 for women-fronted bands. Just a suggestion...
Even where it was cloudy, so long as you were in the path of totality, it was pretty enchantingly eerie to see an early afternoon sky briefly turn as dark as dusk.
This album is my roman empire, seriously. There’s many things I don’t like about Courtney but I just can’t stand the conspiracy theories, I literally used to fight ppl online about it (and still do tbh), to me they’re the same ppl that glorify Kurt’s death.
I call for Boys For Pele as a Courtney sidequest Vinyl Monday!
Courtney appears to have recycled the title 'Live Through This' from a lyric in the original version of "Best Sunday Dress" that appeared on the demo tape from her pre-Hole band Pagan Babies. The lyrics from the opening verse of that song are "Terrified of the corruption / Hear the thump of every breath / I'm going to, I'm going to / I'm going to live through this." (That song also included the phrase "pound of flesh", which would later be used again in Hole's "Celebrity Skin").
Abby check out this overlooked all female 80's band, THE PANDORAS. Their lead singer/song writer/ guitarist died of a brain aneurysm in 1991 @ the age of 31. They have this mid 60's garage band sound. Here's a track to check out... "The Pandoras - In And Out Of My Life In A Day". They recorded 2 LPs.
Didn’t they, the Muffs and Babes in Toyland do the babydoll dresses first?
Kim Shattuck left the Pandoras to start the Muffs. Kim died of ALS in 2019 she was 56.
That was a terrible loss. Especially down here in LA the Muffs and Kim were very beloved
This is an amazing album. You only wish you could have lived through this era. Courtney proved she could rock as hard as the guys. She was always thought of as a wannabe but this proves other wise!
I really liked this album back in the day, and it is still my favorite grunge record. There is a tendency in America to blame our hero's faults on the women in their lives. Courtney has become the Yoko Ono of the grunge movement. Like John Lennon, Curt was the cause of most of his own problems; and like Yoko, Courtney is vastly underrated as an artist. Yoko didn't split up the Beatles and Courtney didn't cause Curt's suicide.
I bought this album as soon as I saw it released here in Canada. Still reeling from the loss of Kurt its kind of crazy how the album came out literally a week after Kurt's death. The huge advances in song writing made many including myself at the time think Kurt helped a lot with the songs but I no longer think that. Being in high school at the time I bought this album at lunch one day and got heckled by my friends for buying the album due to the conspiracy of Kurt's death at the time. Its a very good album though and I still enjoy it today.
Nice job! Hey I just discovered Fanny, you should do something on them, they seem criminally overlooked.
Also: I always thought the album title referred to Kurt's suicide, probably due to the timing of the release.
Unfortunately, many people have hated on this album simply because they had some problem with Courtney. Live Through This is a brilliant album and really ought to be judged on its own merit.
I love this record, in my opinion it’s up there with the best of the early 90s. I hate the whole “Kurt wrote it” thing. It’s clearly Courtney’s lyrics, she absolutely took inspiration from Kurt but I mean, he was her husband so it makes sense. In a perfect world, Kurt & Kristen would have married.
Love these. Do one for Public Enemy “it takes a nation of millions to hold us back”
That "8 albums" thing got me thinking. Do bands ever hold back a couple songs they think are singles/hits until the last record in their contract as insurance for getting renewed?
Love Hole! Thought maybe there’d be a Babes In Toyland mention.
Great video.